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KD6KVL

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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2023, 11:08:27 AM »

If its going up so much, why are banks still funding loans for major development in ports, cities, and coastlines worldwide?  Why ar insurance companies underwriting them?  Seems like a bad investment.  You figure SF, NY, Miami, San Diego, etc would all be seeing the rise on the waterfronts.  Erosion maybe, but it sure doesn't seem to be feet of water.  Al Gore made predications of how dire it was going to be, but we've gone long enough and seen little to no change, aside from government funded research where the scientists need to tow the company rope to keep grants flowing in.
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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2023, 11:24:00 AM »

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...so it's reasonable to guess that Scarborough will be submerged most of the time around 2100 or so. 

That's assuming none of the area's claimants won't start pouring concrete on it to keep it above water, provided there is a benefit to it, things like Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) maintenance/expansion. Japan did/does that, the name of their rock escapes me now.

According to the DXCC Rule's definition of an island, that won't work. An island must be naturally formed. The 100 meter rule didn't apply when Scarborough was added to the list and was since grandfathered.

Island: A naturally formed area of land surrounded by water, the surface of which is above water at high tide. For the purposes of this award, it must consist of connected land, of which at least two surface points must be separated from each other by not less than 100 meters measured in a straight line from point to point. All of the connected land must be above the high tide mark, as demonstrated on a chart of sufficient scale. For the purposes of this award, any island, reef, or rocks of less than this size shall not be considered in the application of the water separation criteria described in Part 2 of the criteria.

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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2023, 11:57:24 AM »

Al Gore made predications of how dire it was going to be, but we've gone long enough and seen little to no change, aside from government funded research where the scientists need to tow the company rope to keep grants flowing in.

Oh gawd, that "climate expert" will say anything to stay in the news and keep the bucks rolling in. Another genius is a young female in Washington who said in early 2019 that our planet would be destroyed in 12 years if climate change is not addressed. That gives all of us only 8 years to work BS7H.
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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2023, 12:28:29 PM »

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Oh gawd, that "climate expert"...

And don't forget "Angry Bird". When winter arrived this year she "approved" of Germany postponing the shut down of the remaining nuclear power stations. She did not want to chop wood for heating. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2023, 01:00:51 PM »

Or the one from Norway who believes that humans will be extinct in 20 years.  She said that a few years ago so I guess it is time to run up the credit cards on new rigs since no one will be around the collect the payment.
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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2023, 01:09:33 PM »

And don't forget "Angry Bird". When winter arrived this year she "approved" of Germany postponing the shut down of the remaining nuclear power stations. She did not want to chop wood for heating. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's beyond me why any government even listens to, much less takes advise or seeks approval from that little brat. There's a funny clip on YouTube of some Russians playing a prank on someone in Washington, pretending to be that climate activist.
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KD6KVL

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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2023, 01:37:07 PM »

I can't remember which one, but there is an active volcano that when it erupts is said to produce more carbon emissions each time than humans have in 10,000 years.
We are the carbon they want to eliminate.
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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2023, 02:33:10 PM »

I can't remember which one, but there is an active volcano that when it erupts is said to produce more carbon emissions each time than humans have in 10,000 years.
We are the carbon they want to eliminate.
Frank KG6N
whichever one it is, China alone would give it some serious competition.
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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2023, 03:09:30 PM »

I don't listen to political arguments regarding climate change.  Show me the science.  And they have: in 2019 the esteemed Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory did a study of three different temperature datasets and found global temperature increases to such an extent that we know with  99.99994% confidence that human fossil fuel consumption is rapidly changing the climate.  Also, scientists predicted an increase in extreme weather events and that has proven to be correct and it's only getting worse. 

Back to radio, the forecasted sea level rise will no doubt impact some low-lying DXCC entities.  T2 Tuvalu is one of the worst examples, 20% of the population has had to flee due to high water inundation and seawater intrusion into freshwater supplies. T31 Kiribati faces a similar threat.
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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2023, 06:19:52 PM »

?.. in 2019 the esteemed Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory did a study of three different temperature datasets and found global temperature increases to such an extent that we know with  99.99994% confidence that human fossil fuel consumption is rapidly changing the climate.
Since you mention it, that study, as with others, failed to correlate observable global temperature rise to anthropogenic causes. The science on climate change is unambiguous, however, the extent to which we contribute and therefore the amount we can lower it is unknown.

As it relates to ham radio and low lying land masses, the NRDC data and report to the UN states that since the dawn of the industrial revolution ( over 100 years ago), global temperature has risen 1.1 deg C. The biggest uncertainty still remains why. I think BS7 is safe.
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Re: Is Scarborough Reef under water yet?
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2023, 09:15:14 PM »

So what exactly did humans do to cause all of the glaciers of the last ice age to melt?

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