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WO7R

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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2023, 03:26:17 PM »

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It feels like every Dxpedition is using FT8 even when the Bands wide open.

Of course they are.  FT8 F&H delivers rate on a par with the best contest operators.

Rate is still king on these things and as long as FT8 delivers it, you'll see plenty of it. 

It is rare to have a DXpedition chock full of SO2R guys that can sustain it for a week.  But, with FT8, you get the equivalent with essentially no training. 

It's just a matter of whether you have space for an extra rig/amp or two and can multiplex them into what are already shared antennas.  SO2R is routine for FT8 F&H.  And the rate is high even without that.
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2023, 04:59:25 PM »

Got them on 30 and 40m FT8 this evening. They've been easy to work everywhere all week long. Great operators for sure, and when working them on CW they're fast and accurate, just the way I like it. :)
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2023, 06:32:34 PM »

Got them on 30 and 40m FT8 this evening. They've been easy to work everywhere all week long. Great operators for sure, and when working them on CW they're fast and accurate, just the way I like it. :)

I filled in any band fills for 80-10. We'll see for 160.

I was trying for 20m qrp cw but no luck yet...
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2023, 07:49:44 PM »

I have yet to see them listed as being on 80 or 160m... have they been yet?
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2023, 08:50:05 PM »

Thanks God some SSB for a change!
It feels like every Dxpedition is using FT8 even when the Bands wide open.

Human nature to be lazy (and to sleep while the computers text).

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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2023, 10:50:44 PM »

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Human nature to be lazy (and to sleep while the computers text).

Since when is SO2R lazy?
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2023, 08:12:29 AM »

On FT8 its pretty easy compared to a single stream of cw or ssb with the mess these pileups are.  I'd bet they could even run 3 at once with little effort.  Last night on 20m I was seeing him call 5 at a time.  If that could be done on 2 bands at once, that's 10 qso's a minute with very little effort. 
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2023, 08:59:21 AM »

It is rare to have a DXpedition chock full of SO2R guys that can sustain it for a week.  But, with FT8, you get the equivalent with essentially no training. 

"Essentially no training" -- not sure I agree with that.  Without naming callsigns I'll just say that it is painfully obvious which DXpeds have experienced and knowledgeable FT8 operators and which ones don't.  These days, like it or not, if you want a successful DXped with 100k+ QSOs you have to have a smooth and competent FT8 operation to supplement the equally competent CW and SSB ops.
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2023, 11:59:42 AM »

Your right.  I think he meant there is far less skill development in comparison to what it takes to produce similar results on cw or ssb qso's in the same timeframe.
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2023, 11:18:19 PM »

I would love to see Club Log implement a feature where they use time on the air in each mode versus number of contacts made on each band.
I guess it would only work with Dxpeditions that used the Live stream feature or they could use the times between the first and last logged QSO during each session and add them up.
A lot of this will be dependent on operators etc but after a few Dxpeditions a rough rate trend would be revealed.


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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2023, 05:55:33 AM »

Encouraging DXpeditions to focus on rate isn't a good thing for those of us working on difficult DX paths.
It is far too easy as it is for operations to miss short band openings while being busy running easy to work stations.
For instance, on 40 meters there may only be a short band opening between Asia and New England
New England operators appreciate it when rare Asian DX stations stop running JAs to pick up a few W1s. 
We don't mind if they work a few deserving W2s as well!
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2023, 06:54:46 AM »

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Encouraging DXpeditions to focus on rate isn't a good thing for those of us working on difficult DX paths.

Read what they say and you'll break the code.  Many do talk about having EUs or NAs or whatever is relevant shut up for this or that time window so that difficult paths can be achieved.

They also talk a lot of about rate, because most want to maximize ATNOs to the whole world, not just the difficult bits.  So, rate will always be king.

Yes, there's a little tension between absolute highest rate and making difficult paths work.  And, smartly run DXpeditions are aware of this.  They say so.  But this tension is also only a couple of hours a day on a given band.  The rest of the time, they will want rate to be king, in part, to put some kind of damper, limited as it may be, on the hordes still baying at them during those precious short openings to the antipodes.
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2023, 08:03:54 AM »

Just jump onto a west coast RHR or remote into a buddies station and work the DX, sure that is what everyone (allegedly) in NA is at these days, Why struggle when you can just pay for QSO'S



For instance, on 40 meters there may only be a short band opening between Asia and New England
New England operators appreciate it when rare Asian DX stations stop running JAs to pick up a few W1s. 
We don't mind if they work a few deserving W2s as well!
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2023, 11:51:33 AM »

Encouraging DXpeditions to focus on rate isn't a good thing for those of us working on difficult DX paths.
It is far too easy as it is for operations to miss short band openings while being busy running easy to work stations.
For instance, on 40 meters there may only be a short band opening between Asia and New England
New England operators appreciate it when rare Asian DX stations stop running JAs to pick up a few W1s. 
We don't mind if they work a few deserving W2s as well!

Well that may be true but I don't think it can get any worst than it is now.
These guys are totally driven by numbers.  I remember back in 2010-2012 Dxpeditions would still chat a bit on SSB with stations that asked a quick question.  It use to be that I got to know the voices of several operators as the days passed.   Fast forward to 2023 and they hardly even bother to go onto SSB, even when band conditions are perfect.

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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2023, 11:58:25 AM »

Encouraging DXpeditions to focus on rate isn't a good thing for those of us working on difficult DX paths.
It is far too easy as it is for operations to miss short band openings while being busy running easy to work stations.
For instance, on 40 meters there may only be a short band opening between Asia and New England
New England operators appreciate it when rare Asian DX stations stop running JAs to pick up a few W1s. 
We don't mind if they work a few deserving W2s as well!

Well that may be true but I don't think it can get any worst than it is now.
These guys are totally driven by numbers.  I remember back in 2010-2012 Dxpeditions would still chat a bit on SSB with stations that asked a quick question.  It use to be that I got to know the voices of several operators as the days passed.   Fast forward to 2023 and they hardly even bother to go onto SSB, even when band conditions are perfect.

We had some strong short skip today so CY0S was doing very well on FT8.  However, he would've had a giant SSB pileup with all the area 1 and 2 stations calling but I haven't even heard them once on SSB.

I'll take the challenge points but sometimes I feel it's too easy on FT8.
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