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KD6KVL

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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2023, 02:44:43 PM »

"If FT8 is so easy why do I constantly see guys calling the DX on the same period as they DX, and they are mostly NA stations,"

Lets face it, we have a ton of elderly men figuring out computers and not completely with it in a cognitive sense.  Its an old man hobby, for the most part.
Calling in wrong place or time is the equivalent of driving down the interstate with the left turn signal on.
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2023, 03:21:22 PM »

Lets face it, we have a ton of elderly men figuring out computers and not completely with it in a cognitive sense.  Its an old man hobby, for the most part.
Calling in wrong place or time is the equivalent of driving down the interstate with the left turn signal on.
100% agree. Old timers who have been doing CW since the dawn of time and who aren't savvy enough to learn something new. But they need the QSO and that's the only mode the DX operates so they futz and fumble their way through hoping they got it right.

But the things they don't quite get (genuine F/H needing to find an empty spot above 1000, and double-click to enable transmitting in the correct sequence) are what's causing the problems. Goes to the old adage that if you can't hear them—or see them in this case—don't call!
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2023, 03:32:05 PM »

An Italian op on facebook complaining recently of not being called posted his screen shot where he saw the dx and called several time on the dx time slot.....Some just aren't paying attention. 
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2023, 03:45:05 PM »

If you don't know what you are at then don't TX, listen for a while and try to get a feel for what the DX is doing and how he is working the callers, no difference than CW,
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2023, 04:02:55 PM »

But the things they don't quite get (genuine F/H needing to find an empty spot above 1000

An example of the 'skill' required... despite CY0S claiming to be running F/H and using the WSJT-X software which DOES ONLY F/H (not MSHV) they are running it with N1MM and we 'skilled' callers had to figure out that it's not running like 'normal F/H'. I made my QSO on 10m with them calling BELOW 1000... and some made their contacts with them calling below them (to the left). It's not simple point & click and go have lunch like some think.  ;)
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #50 on: March 24, 2023, 04:43:41 PM »


That aside, there is still the comparison of TX placement in a pileup... same as with CW. You failed to address that. I can't imagine you need CY0S anywhere (I only needed one band) but the guys trying to work it right now are having a lot of difficulty until they figure out where the DX software is actually 'listening' and adjust.


I have about 270 digital countries and I don't move my XMIT frequency to try and chase the DX.  I put the transmit frequency at 1776 Hz when I first started using WSJT-X and I don't move it.  I read the FT user guide and watched a video and that's how I learned how to use FT8 and not to overdrive the audio.  I broke two huge pileups for my two bands with FT8WW and I was only running 100W with my XMIT at 1776 Hz. I was in each pileup for less than an hour.

FT8 is not a mode that requires skill.  If you have a decent station you'll eventually break the pileup.
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KD8MJR

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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #51 on: March 24, 2023, 05:14:23 PM »

But the things they don't quite get (genuine F/H needing to find an empty spot above 1000

An example of the 'skill' required... despite CY0S claiming to be running F/H and using the WSJT-X software which DOES ONLY F/H (not MSHV) they are running it with N1MM and we 'skilled' callers had to figure out that it's not running like 'normal F/H'. I made my QSO on 10m with them calling BELOW 1000... and some made their contacts with them calling below them (to the left). It's not simple point & click and go have lunch like some think.  ;)

Don't get so proud about that, I figured that out with only a few hours of FT8 experience.
The major confusion seems to be F/H vs MSHV and both the Dx and the those trying to work the DX are confused.
 I was just observing CY0S when a friend of mine called and said he had been trying for over 2 hours to reach them.  I said based on what I have been seeing for the last 15 minutes it seems like the people that are getting through are below his Frequency.
We talked for about 10 more minutes and then I heard him shout out "Finally"!  He said thanks I switched from up at 1600 down to 400 and got through.

It's the same old basic tenant of Ham Radio.  Observe whats happening "Listen" or in this case "Look" and then work them.  In the case of FT8 it's Look for a few minutes and then press the button and go eat dinner or watch some TV.
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #52 on: March 24, 2023, 05:20:58 PM »

I have about 270 digital countries and I don't move my XMIT frequency to try and chase the DX.  I put the transmit frequency at 1776 Hz when I first started using WSJT-X and I don't move it.  I read the FT user guide and watched a video and that's how I learned how to use FT8 and not to overdrive the audio.  I broke two huge pileups for my two bands with FT8WW and I was only running 100W with my XMIT at 1776 Hz. I was in each pileup for less than an hour.

FT8 is not a mode that requires skill.  If you have a decent station you'll eventually break the pileup.

That is true, the only thing that sucks about FT8 is that every wanker out there just sticks a DXs call sign into their settings and plays games with the pileup.   A FT8 contact is worth nothing until it is confirmed.
It's very hard to fake CW as some guys will know in 10 seconds it's not the real operator and the same thing for SSB.   With FT8 it's a pirates paradise.
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Re: 9X5RU Rwanda QRV
« Reply #53 on: March 24, 2023, 05:55:43 PM »

You discuss the 'skills' needed and then say, 'No skills required'. What's the 'skill' to you then? CW!

I was first licensed in 1977 and sat for tests at FCC Field Offices. I was in favor of getting rid of the code as all the code requirement did was drive people AWAY from learning it properly and enjoying CW. But when they removed the requirement in the 90s all it became was a bunch of pissing & moaning, basically 'back in my day' rants. Sickened me.

This is code vs no-code all over again, as far as I can tell. You don't like FT8 and are biased. Fine. Uncle. I'm done.
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