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KM4SII

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« Reply #75 on: March 23, 2023, 01:32:43 PM »

Still some whacky stuff going on with their FT8. I was able to get in the log on 17m FT8 by calling a good bit below their TX and without F/H mode enabled. They are exceptionally loud here though... +26db!
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« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2023, 02:13:43 PM »

It has virtues in that the Fox has a queue to manage and that the logging is automatic.  When the Hound sees the RR73, the Hound knows they are logged.  With regular FT8, this is not certain.

On the Hound side, it also dispenses, 100 per cent, with the trailing "73" which is also a benefit, especially when you consider the frequency shift, which also has technical advantages in terms of completing QSOs.

When I see an RR73, 'I' know I am logged and I am not in Hound mode. And my WSJT-X in regular mode does not send the trailing "73". So tell me again why I need to be in Hound mode? <rhetorical> I don't. The DX needs to be in multi-stream, the callers should call in regular mode. It's not like the DX's software knows whether you are in hound or regular mode. And it doesn't care whether your stream moves or not as long as it copies your R-## report.

That said, I could be wrong, there may be some advantage I don't see, but for me, so far, Hound is not needed.

Still some whacky stuff going on with their FT8. I was able to get in the log on 17m FT8 by calling a good bit below their TX and without F/H mode enabled. They are exceptionally loud here though... +26db!

Agreed, yesterday was 'whacky'! My 10m FT8 showed up in Clublog overnight, so I am done on HF. I would love a 6m or satellite contact, but with the weather forecast at my QTH, I don't hold out a whole lotta of hope of that.  :-\
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« Reply #77 on: March 23, 2023, 02:15:09 PM »

Still some whacky stuff going on with their FT8. I was able to get in the log on 17m FT8 by calling a good bit below their TX and without F/H mode enabled. They are exceptionally loud here though... +26db!

If that wasn't a pirate, it means they are NOT using F/H and using software other than WSJTX (yes, I saw the photo, but...)

Marvin VE3VEE
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KM4SII

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« Reply #78 on: March 23, 2023, 02:20:08 PM »

Still some whacky stuff going on with their FT8. I was able to get in the log on 17m FT8 by calling a good bit below their TX and without F/H mode enabled. They are exceptionally loud here though... +26db!

If that wasn't a pirate, it means they are NOT using F/H and using software other than WSJTX (yes, I saw the photo, but...)

Marvin VE3VEE
I believe they are still using F/H with WSJT-X despite the unusual behavior. I know it sounds odd, but someone explained what is probably happening over on the CY0S Facebook group:

"My best guess is that they're running WSJT-X with N1MM, controlling the rig via the N1MM integration, on like 14.091, maybe. When you control the rig that way via N1MM, it doesn't want you to run split with "Rig", it wants you to "fake it" - so, they're set at like 14091, maybe set a bit too high in the passband, and when the rig goes to "fake it" on TX, sometimes it doesn't come back, so they're like 1.5k down from where they think they are, until after a cycle or two it takes and comes back. Or something like that. It is definitely impacting the rate."

"yes that almost certainly has to be it. If split is hosed up, then when WSJT-X goes to TX, in the middle-ish of the passband (about 1.5k up!), but the rig doesn’t drop the VFO down, then they’d be transmitting .. about 1.5k up from where they should be. Bam."
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VE3VEE

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« Reply #79 on: March 23, 2023, 02:22:05 PM »


That said, I could be wrong, there may be some advantage I don't see, but for me, so far, Hound is not needed.


+1

I also think F/H is not needed. It just confuses people and another issue is when the caller's frequency changes, the new frequency may have QRM and the QSO may not complete. If the DX heard me on my original frequency, they will likely hear also my next transmission on my unchanged frequency.

Multi-stream is good though.

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« Reply #80 on: March 23, 2023, 03:15:11 PM »

all of my FT8 Q's have been F/H

there are a ton of people calling below them.

when they do 5 streams their upper stream is above 1000???

funny and fun  :D

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« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2023, 03:29:53 PM »

I was their first this afternoon when they popped up on 20.  Nothing like hearing them calling CQ and listening up 2.   ;D

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« Reply #82 on: March 23, 2023, 06:14:51 PM »

I was their first this afternoon when they popped up on 20.  Nothing like hearing them calling CQ and listening up 2.   ;D

Congrats! I worked them on 20m CW, too, but it took me over an hour and this must have been the most painful, the least enjoyable pileup I have ever participated in. The amount of DQRM was just too much. CY0S is my CW#314 and DIGITAL#308.

Dan WG5G worked CY0S on 20m CW, too, but only with his 5 Watts! He must have nerves of steel to do what he does with his QRP!

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KM4SII

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« Reply #83 on: March 23, 2023, 09:19:21 PM »

So far, I have managed CW on 80/40/30/20/15m and FT8 on 40/30/20/17m. The high bands have been very unpredictable thus far. They were extremely strong on 12m during their first day of operation (although I was not able to make it through), and were also putting out a respectable signal on 10m. However today, I heard not so much as a peep of their signal on those two bands. Hopefully propagation swings back around here soon so I can knock out those bands. Just need 60/12/10m now (no 160m here).

73
Mason - KM4SII
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« Reply #84 on: March 24, 2023, 01:01:31 AM »

all of my FT8 Q's have been F/H
there are a ton of people calling below them.

All my 5 FT8 QSOs apart from 1 have been through calling below them. Same with 9X5RU.

I can't remember the last DX'pedition that used true F/H where they only worked people +1000, great concept but seems to have died.
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« Reply #85 on: March 24, 2023, 03:51:34 AM »

 It's good to see a DXpedition willing to do what it takes to put an EME station on the air:

 

 Speaking of EME, how about a shameless plug for a webpage (blog) I threw together today regarding the upcoming KH0W 23cm & 70cm EME station? Check it out. Yes, I really do have no shame when it comes to self-promotion!!!

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                                                                        Tom KH0/KC0W
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« Reply #86 on: March 24, 2023, 07:54:46 AM »

It was easier to crack the 9X5RU pile up yesterday. Better luck tonight, but not losing sleep over it...had Sable in the book from a long time ago.

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« Reply #87 on: March 24, 2023, 10:13:16 AM »

when they do 5 streams their upper stream is above 1000???

If I am in the hound mode and the dx FT8 multiple stream falls in the range of 800-1100 Hz, I tune my transceiver 500 Hz higher.  That brings their stream down to 300-600 Hz which makes them more fox-like.  I have to shift my transmit frequency accordingly.
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« Reply #88 on: March 24, 2023, 10:55:11 AM »

So far, I have managed CW on 80/40/30/20/15m and FT8 on 40/30/20/17m. The high bands have been very unpredictable thus far. They were extremely strong on 12m during their first day of operation (although I was not able to make it through), and were also putting out a respectable signal on 10m. However today, I heard not so much as a peep of their signal on those two bands. Hopefully propagation swings back around here soon so I can knock out those bands. Just need 60/12/10m now (no 160m here).

73
Mason - KM4SII

I saw that you worked 4U1UN on 30 meters.  Congrats!

73,

Chris  NU1O
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KM4SII

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« Reply #89 on: March 24, 2023, 11:17:44 AM »

I saw that you worked 4U1UN on 30 meters.  Congrats!
Thanks! I realized that I only had one FT8 QSO with them -- on 40m (but a boatload on CW, and an SSB QSO as well) -- so I figured I'd give them a call right before I had to leave for class. They were very loud. I saw you calling as well... hope you made the QSO!

But on the topic of CY0S, they are exceedingly strong on 12m FT8 at the moment... the polar opposite of yesterday when I could not hear them at all. Received a +20db report from them.
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