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KC0VCU

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« on: September 13, 2006, 10:23:46 PM »

In general I am a fan of the home brew solutions for aprs, however I presume that there are a number of people looking for some reasonably simple and not too expensive solutions with something like an off the shelf set of hardware. I'm really one of them as well, though I very likely will put together a few other solutions along the way.

For the purpose of this note, a 'manpack' is a collection of gear for APRS that is worn by the amature as they are using the rig.

On the assumption that you want a simple GPS unit that isn't going to give you your own location directly, i.e. via a display of some sort on the unit, almost any of the pucks can be sewn into the shoulder of a safety or 'radio' vest. You will need to make sure that you provide some form of power for the receiver in most cases, but many of them are built so that the same power that supplies the receiver can be used to supply a tracker or pda that will perform the display function for you.

I would not recommend sewing a eTrex or similar receiver from Garmin, or most of the display gps recivers into a similar setup, as you very likely will want to do your own navigating with the receiver. You may be comfortable twisting your neck to read the display on your shoulder, but I don't think I would be.

An alternative would be one of the handhelds gps receiver with an external antenna that you could set up similarly. Just treat the antenna as if it were a puck, and the receiver as a component of the tracker. If you have a handheld with the built in TNC and aprs software, such as the th-d7a that is often recommended, you would be up and going shortly after setting up the appropriate call sign and other software configuration on the radio. If you have a pda that either has the capability, and software, you could use it as a TNC instead, though you will likely need to find some way to split out the appropriate lines on the serial port so that you can receive from the gps, as well as use the appropriate lead to trigger the PTT on your radio.

For those of us who are going to be using a fairly low end handheld radio, as well as a somewhat stand-alone gps receiver, we are going to need some sort of a device that will receive the nema strings and send them to the radio. I've used a TinyTracker3+ with a puck, and still do in my car setup, but since the gps receiver I will use in a manpack has it's own power supply, I will probably switch to a TinyTracker3 for that setup. An OpenTracker would work as well, but I already have the software for the TinyTracker, so I will stick with that for now. The radio I expect to use is the one I used mobile until I found an HTX-212 at a reasonable price and mounted that in my car. I will be using a Yaesu VX-150. A 120, 110, or 170 would work as well, and for some situations my vx-2r would also work, but I have the 150, and I like the fact that on it's own batteries it does transmit at 5 watts. Obviously getting a better antenna on the end of the radio is advisable, but even with the rubber duck, in an area with good aprs repeater coverage, I expect to work just fine.

My new favorite gps receiver for this situation is the Garmin ForeTrex series of recievers. There are shortcomings with the receiver. It has a small internal antenna, which means it will be less sensitive than those devices with external antennas. The setup to attach a serial cable to the rig makes it uncomfortable to wear on the wrist (which is probably not the best place to wear it anyway, on the upper arm or at your shoulder would be better) and there is no extension strap for the wrist band to make it easy to wear on the shoulder. The advantages are that it ouputs nema strings serially, is relatively small in size but has a usable display, and the 201 at least with an internal battery will operate for over 10 hours before it needs to be re-charged. The 101 can use off the shelf AA or AAA batteries (I don't know which.)

Alternatively with the 201, it will take a 5.0 volt in power supply and run (and recharge) off of that so someone with a 2Ah gell cell and a TinyTracker3+ (or other device to step down the power to 5 volts) could probably run all of the hardware for over a day.

I do not know if it will take dynamic updates to waypoints from a th-d7a, which I think would come in handy to work out how to get from where you are to where someone else is, as they move. Maps and such are pretty much useless on the receiver as well. The display is so small, that the text for a waypoint tends to obscure any recommended path anyway.

The physical design of the ForeTrex seems to me to almost be designed for search and rescue. It can double as a wrist watch (with superior accuracy, but rather short on the 'on' time.) It can operate either with 'normal or 'WAAS' gps reception, so you can get 'better' accuracy. Colors are Olive Drab and Black, with White, Red and Green lettering. It at least looks rugged. I don't know that with cables attached it would pass any milspec testing though.

I have used a forerunner as part of my exersize routine for a couple of years now. It is fundamentally the same device, but with different software. I would not recommend either as a serious geocaching system, and with six control buttons (including power) neither are particularly friendly for setting up waypoints and the like.

It will be some time before I am completely comfortable with the serial port capabilities of the ForeTrex, as I am not impressed with my ForeRunner's serial port. I'll toss a review up on the hardware reviews page for the receivers I have and have used.

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-Rusty - kc0vcu
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2006, 10:49:42 PM »

Do you have a website with photos and descriptions of any of your manpacks?  Let's see some of your projects.
Until Garmin or Kenwood come out with a portable VHF/UHF radio with built in GPS similar to the Rhino series of FRS/GMRS HTs we are stuck with 2 separate units with cables between.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2006, 03:52:06 AM »

The closest I have at the moment is the setup I was initially using that the gps receiver and tinytracker are currently being used in my car with a different radio and antenna. I did a small writeup on that that is in the newsletter for the Twin Cities FM Club, Quarter Wave, from May of this year. Starting on page 14, with pictures at the end of the article on page 15. The newsletter is a pdf, http://qw.tcfmc.org/QW-2006-May.pdf and the story is from my blog at http://tcfmc.org/node/189.

Pictures include everthing ready to be thrown into a fanny pack as http://tcfmc.org/node/204, and assembled in a fanny pack as http://tcfmc.org/node/205

There are a few other pictures as well. In the pictuer of everything in a fanny pack, the pack was designed to have a 2way radio, not a cell phone, in the pocket on the left as you look at it. (where the radio is) The battery is inside the main body part of the pack, and the tiny tracker is positioned diagonally in the large pocket on the right. (it zippers across the top) The GPS receiver is actually stasshed in the pocket in front of that (with the zipper you can see.) I am not happy with the way the wires are hanging out all over the place, but as an early prototype, I think it worked out well.

Once I have another tinytracker, I will post pictures of the assembly with the foretrex 201 as well.

I would not say that the powermate battery I had chosen is particularly useful.

In all honesty I would suspect that an ICOM with a built in GPS receiver is would be more likely to be the first all in one unit, as they will see it as being a competitive advantage that would take advantage of their DStar technolgy enabled radios. Alternatively we will see Kenwood add a gps receiver to a head unit for the next upgrade to a D700, with a handheld getting similar treatment at about the same time. A marketing pitch for that might include being able to see how far it is to your car from your handheld, or some such useful notion.

One down side to any solution where the gps receiver is part of the handheld radio, is that your hip is not a great place to have a gps receiver. A shoulder or upper arm position is significantly better. Optimally the antenna for the receiver should be at or above the top of your head, or there abouts, but without customizing a helmet or hat for that setup you are going to have to settle for something less than optimal. I also suspect that most of the solutions you or I can visualize are going to look rather 'weird' to most people. The solutions envisioned for the 'future soldier' and connected soldiers are about as good as we are going to see for the near future.

Ok, I can see a 2-meter radio built into a hard hat, with a boom mike and vox transmiting, patch antenna for the gps receiver, nice little antenna mounted in the back for the radio, etc. Anyone want to take bets on that being built as an FRS based bike helmet radio first? OK, I suspect that the antenna won't be on a 'mount' for that, but I suspect that a few families would be happy to see that available for their kids as an alternative to a rhino radio. Whether they would be willing to spend more than the cost of their kids bike on the helmet I don't know...

73,

-Rusty - kc0vcu
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2006, 02:20:53 AM »

I tried a Foretrex 201 and a Pocket Tracker for APRS while running last year.  The Foretrex with the cable attachment was not really uncomfortable on my wrist.  I had the Pocket Tracker in a CD/MP3 running holder and used a hat-clip antenna. It worked fine when near my home, but really needs additional stations along the route, as the range is VERY limited (low power and less than ideal antenna). I wanted to use it so I could be tracked during a marathon, but obviously I need more or better receiving stations.  I am still interested in doing this, so your experience is valuable.  Minimum weight is essential for my needs, though.
As far as your set-up, I think there is a strap extension for the 201, but you could put it in a running MP3 holder made for your upper arm if you want.  
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2006, 04:46:00 AM »

Another idea for carrying stuff is a Fuelbelt, used to carry water and things while running:
http://www.fuelbelt.com/
I run with the 4-bottle version with one pouch and added two pouches (to carry MP3, cell phone, etc).  You could easily carry a HT, TinyTrack, GPS, in all of that - plus some water!
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 06:01:04 PM »

Well, the TinyTracker3 does not accept the signaling from my ForeTrex 201, though it does work with my Garmin Venture. I think that the voltages for the serial port may be off. I'l try the smt varient next, but I may have to go to a different tracker. For a tranmitter, I have had good luck with my VX-150, but that would get rather heavy on a long event. I expect my vx-2r to work as well, but have not tested it with the current tracker and gps. (May tonight though, we'll see.)

For a marathon, it might be a good idea to check with the support people to see if there will be some Hams with TM-D700 rigs set up to do APRS, and work with them to make sure they are digipeating for runners trying this out.

A tranmitter to consider if you are competing at an event with good coverage would be the Linco DJ-C7T tranciever. I do recommend only considering that with good coverage though as the transmit power is 300mW with the internal battery, and 500mW with a 9Vdc power source. I am not familiar with the mic and headphone jacks with this radio so I don't know how easy it is to build it into a kit of some sort. The weight though looks good at 102 grams, or 3.59 oz with standard antenna and included battery. If you are going to feed it power from a 9-volt through a regulator down to 6 volts though, you may be able to drop the battery for additional weight savings.

The current setup I have would probably work "ok" for a bicyclist. Though I would still look for a smaller GPS receiver and try to come up with a better mounting system for the transmitter to give better aerodynamics. A sturdier antenna mounted to the rear of the bike would probably work ok as well, though routing the cabling for least aerodynamic impact would be an issue. (There's a reason that all the shift and break cables on high end bikes run inside of the frame tubes if possible.)

Just some more grist for the mill.

73,

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 02:08:14 AM »

Too bad about the TT3 and the Foretrek201.   I have thought of the Alinco, also. I think you are correct about the need for digipeters during the race.  With a less-than-good antenna and no digipeters, I believe the low power is not the issue - - that's why I keep the Pocket Tracker!  However, for bicycles, you have less constraints than I do for running.  The Deluo WAAS GPS reciever (you can get it packaged with the TT3+) is a nice little device that works perfectly with the TT3+.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2006, 03:57:38 AM »

One other note:
The ForeTrex won't start talking out it's serial port until it sees a NON-ZERO voltage on it's data INPUT line. The Pocket Tracker PC board needs to be modified, and I assume the TT3+ as well, to allow the ForeTrex to output properly.  I found some of my notes and will send them, if you need them.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2006, 03:57:38 AM »

That sounds like it is possibly what I need to do. I presume that it is looking for something more than 3volts off of 0, plus or minus, and I think I can find that on the TT3 at a couple of points. Now to review the docs to find a good mod to do that. With the TT3+ it would be simply hooking up the +5 off the regulator normally found on pin 4 over to pin3 (through a special connector so I can still hang the device off the computer to program it) however that regulator isn't the same on the TT3. Though since the Foretrex wouldn't be attempting to put a load on this voltage, I may still be able to do it. I had plans on shaving the board and soldering a stereo cord to the board itself anyway, so if I use an RJ-11 to provide the serial i/o for the computer I should be good to go either way. This could work out well yet.

Looks like more to follow.

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2006, 10:09:16 AM »

For my PocketTraker I re-routed the data out and put an extra 2-pin jumper-shunt (just epoxied to the PCB) to supply +V via a step-down resistor (1K) from +5V on W1 when the ForeTrex is attached, and remove it for programming and when other GPS receivers are used.  The Altoids case easily opens to move the jumper, but you can do the same fixed configuration externally with the TT3+ cabling; or mating DB9 male-female connectors with the drop-down resistor between pin 4 of the female (TT) end and pin 3 of the male (GPS) end and straight-through GPS data out, power, gnd, etc.  Apparantly, some GPS units want this voltage on pin 3.  This is from the notes I collected when setting up my ForeTrek by WA8LMF.

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2006, 07:32:32 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2006, 06:43:50 PM »

Here's a new option that mated to a Foretrek will make a very nice little package:
http://www.byonics.com/microtrak300
Still need a good antenna (and close digis) to wear them.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2006, 07:14:52 AM »

The low-power passive trackers, such as the Pocket Tracker, may not be the best for wearable systems.  As discussed above, the problems of low power (due to small size requirements) and poor antennas (due to size and mounting limitations) apply here.  Additionally, the passive trackers (no receive) have to compete with the "big guys" and if they transmit during a packet burst from another station, they will be shutout.  I tried my Pocket Tracker attached to my nice roof-mounted antenna, and have not been able to reach a digi in an hour (yes, it is working and my home rig does receive it OK), where my regular rig running APRS traks fine.  So, I think probably a miniature HT with a small GPS (ForeTrak, Deluo), encoder/decoder (TinyTrak+) and best antenna possible will be the better solution, although a bit bulkier/heavier. From prior attempts, it's better to carry heavy and trak than to carry light and be silent.
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2006, 09:55:16 AM »

Ooops, had my Pocket Traker misconfigured!  It does work on the roof antenna, but not well on a whip in the yard.
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2007, 01:38:45 AM »

Hi, I make the Micro-Trak 300 for Byonics, and I think you will find significantly better range performance with the 300 mW output of the Micro-Trak, vs, the 200 mW output of the now defunct Pocket Tracker.  I am able to hit a digipeater 25 miles away with a diamond RH77 whip antenna. Considering how busy the 144.390 frquency is, it does not practically matter if you send signals without listening for activity on the channel first. There is so much activity that you will almost certainly collide with other packets.
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