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AC2Q

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« on: March 27, 2008, 04:43:27 PM »

To add to the VOLUMINOUS Stupidity that seems to thrive in the EmComm Heirarchy, now it seems Illinois ESDA requires the signing of a "Loyalty Oath" to the Constitution of the State of Illinois.

It is in fact true that, to quote the oath: "I do not advocate, nor am I nor have I been a member of any political party or organization that advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States by force or violence"

The silliness is that IF I WERE, I certainly wouldn't have a problem lying about it. I chose instead not to sign it.

At least ARC recognized the untenable position of thier background check policy, and instituted the "7 day grace period" Does anyone really doubt it will be a REVOLVING 7 days if the SHTF?

Standing by for the NEXT silly requirement......
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2008, 06:21:11 PM »

So whats wrong with that ?   I dont see a problem with signing an oath loyal to the USA .  If you've got nothing to hide whats the problem ?

WD6GLA  Bob Tadlock
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2008, 07:32:08 PM »

South Carolina is stubbornly holding out on the Real ID program.  If it was available today, I would be the first one in line to get one.  

I sincerely believe that we need a national ID card issued at the Federal level and imlemented with smart card technology.  With that in place, it could also serve as your driver license, various organizational ID's and also could contain your emergency medical records, etc.

Loyalty oaths are absolutely no problem to me.  I have had up to a Top Secret clearance in my life and am loyal to my country with no skeletons in my closet.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2008, 07:50:34 PM »

> now it seems Illinois ESDA requires the signing of a
> "Loyalty Oath" overthrow of the government of the
> United States by force or violence"

Not a problem, Mike.  In Illinois they're trying to ban all firearms already, so there's little risk of the citizens staging a violent revolt anyway.  Just shut up and pay your taxes like a good little citizen.  Everyone will be safe, the government will see to it.


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AC2Q

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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2008, 04:16:33 AM »

SNIP>>I sincerely believe that we need a national ID card issued at the Federal level and imlemented with smart card technology. With that in place, it could also serve as your driver license, various organizational ID's and also could contain your emergency medical records, etc.

Loyalty oaths are absolutely no problem to me. I have had up to a Top Secret clearance in my life and am loyal to my country with no skeletons in my closet.<<SNIP
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Sounds like something the Junior Senator from Wisconsin would say.

I too was in the Military, with access to Nuclear Weapons, and there is every reason to expect a SOLDIER to do this
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2008, 06:46:44 AM »

Before too many of you get going about patriotism, etc. take a closer look at the original post. It says:

"signing of a "Loyalty Oath" to the Constitution of the State of Illinois."

Note - STATE OF ILLINOIS! - not the U.S.

I guess that means no one is loyal if they leave the state.
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2008, 07:10:08 AM »

I'm Curious you say it is a "Loyalty Oath" to the Constitution of the State of Illinois. But then the wording sounds like a loyalty oath the the United States.

I could actually see a point in a state asking if you are loyal to it's own constitution over that of the US government... many state national guard units swear an oath to the state constitution THEN the US Constitution so if the state and the US ever disagree the state knows what side you are on.

Seems much for an emcomm volunteer but in this situation I could understand.


That said it seems silly to not be willing to sign an oath you believe in on some belief you simply shouldn't have to, and I can understand why some governments and groups don't want to deal with EmComm volunteers anymore. I suggest hams need to read the definition of the word "Served" to understand why they are called "Served Agencies".
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2008, 10:08:00 AM »

Will you be able to get into an EMA facility if you dont have an approved REAL_ID card.

I dont see why the federal government is telling states how to operate. Its suppose to be the otherway around.

Needing "paper" to get on a plane is wrong.

Now I need a passport to fish lake Erie if I go above this magic line that the water or the fish don't care about. Almost 10 thousand people a day are entering via Mexico and they are harassing a hand full of fishermen on fishing boats. Lets start with the 35 million in the US. If there here illegally then kick them out. Now stop the inflow, Now open up immigration so those who follow the laws can come in. Lession 1, The US is a melting pot of people. That means you need to become part of the big melted country we call the US, You dont  come over, not learn the language and not melt into the pot.

Rant off.

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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2008, 02:16:39 AM »

  Don't worry about ID cards.  They are developing technology that can detect if you are carrying a weapon or a firearm from over 200 feet away, and a portable device that can ID you by actually reading your DNA without your knowledge!  The days of having any kind of privacy are rapidly coming to an end.
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AC2Q

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2008, 08:31:36 AM »

N8EMR writes:
Will you be able to get into an EMA facility if you dont have an approved REAL_ID card.

I dont see why the federal government is telling states how to operate. Its suppose to be the otherway around.

Needing "paper" to get on a plane is wrong.
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I recommend peaceful revolt. Imagine how things would change if US citizens stopped all unnecessary airline travel in protest of increased security.
I know, not likely, sad.
 
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2008, 01:42:09 PM »

The oath I took in California says I'll defend the constitution. Doesn't say anything about elected officials :-)

I'm proud to take the same oath as the one taken by professional responders. If you see those people as the enemy maybe you should not be volunteering to work for them.

The background check policy has been discussed to death. I won't go into that.
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2008, 07:30:49 AM »

"So whats wrong with that ? I dont see a problem with signing an oath loyal to the USA . If you've got nothing to hide whats the problem?"

The problem is that they feel the need to do such a thing in the first place.  And what happens if someone goes ahead and signs such a document and then goes against it?  Do you actually think they'll hang around to be picked up?

It's another step in Dubya's attempts to turn the US into a police state.  The really sad part about it is that he is slowly succeeding.
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2008, 01:33:10 PM »

>>I sincerely believe that we need a national
>>ID card issued at the Federal level and
>>implemented with smart card technology...

I need to start a metalized/foil covered card holder business...
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2008, 03:47:00 PM »

In Sept. of 1961 I took a loyalty oath to the United States when I enlisted in The United States Marine Corps.I do not need to ever take another one as the first one will NEVER expire.I also will never sucumb to a national ID card.We are tracked in a hundred different ways as it is.I'm not willing to give up any of my constitutional freedoms for a phony sense of increased security.Freedom is to be guarded at all cost-against all enemies domestic as well as those from abroad.  Semper Fi
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2008, 07:39:58 AM »

Dang! This whole time we have been saying the
'Pledge of Allegiance" before every ARES and Club meeting... now I find it's all part of a big conspiracy to turn us into a police state!

Well it is too late for us but you all need to save yourselves! Watch out for those pesky ballgames too they get you converted to every time, what better sneakier way to get you then to make you pledge an alligiance to a police state right before a game of america's pastime!

I took a loyalty Oath when I was in the USMC, and I will happily do it as often as possible.

Seriously, up your Meds people.
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