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N4NDX

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Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« on: August 26, 2011, 08:46:36 AM »

 ??? I`m new at PSK.  I use the HRD program for regular use and having DM 780 already in it I thought to give it a shot.  I set up DM 780 by the instructions and seemed to go well  but don`t hear anything nor see the waterfall on the screen.  Do I need a external sound card like "Tigertronis" in order to receive sound? Any coments will be appreciated.

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KD8DEY

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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 09:15:25 AM »

Run a line from the radio's speaker out to the computers line/mic in to RX.....
What are you planning to use for the TX side of things? (sound card out to rig/Keying....)
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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 09:48:04 AM »

I don`t know that`s why I`m asking if I need an external sound card like Signal Link> Tigertronic or what ever is need it to make it work, the only thing I did was just follow the instructions need it to establish HRD radio connection with  DM 780 and it seems to be working OK.  Is there anything else needed?

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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 10:06:41 AM »

Since you are new to PSK and Digimodes, forget trying to suss out DM-780 Suite
for now. It's just too complicated for a newcomer.

Go read WM2U's PSK31 page and follow his simple hookup
suggestions...with a very simple PSK program like Digipan:
http://www.qsl.net/wm2u/psk31.html

Later on you can either make or buy an interface box.
But you don't need an interface box to get on the air, though it helps.
73, Ken  AD6KA
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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 10:13:27 AM »

To receive you need to run a line from the radios speaker out to either the line or mic in.
(Make sure that whichever one you use is selected in DM780 and not muted in the windows sound card control panel.

You need some kind of interface to TX . You didnt mention what kind of radio you have so I have no idea if it has a data jack or if you need to use the microphone connector to key the rig and to supply the TX audio signal.

Signalinks are nice from what I heard. Wanted to buy one at Hamvention 2007 but they sold out before I even got there. Ended up with a Rigblaster Nomic.

Without more specifics as to what rig you are using makes it hard for anybody to come up with suggestions as far as hookup on the TX end of things.

If HRD supports keying the radio through the cable controlling the radio you may just need to do something as simple as a small transformer from the speaker output from the computer to the microphone connector......

Plenty of homebrew interface projects on the internet from amazingly simple to......

You might even already have what you need in a junk box, old computer modem etc.......
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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2011, 10:20:54 AM »

I`ll give that a try, which Digipan to download v2.0 or the 1.6-8?

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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2011, 03:32:33 PM »

Might as well download 2.0.  If you are running vista or win 7 you will have to go into control panel/sounds to adjust the input and output levels instead of using digipans menu options for waterfall drive and transmitter drive
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N4NDX

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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2011, 04:35:02 PM »

I`m using a Yaesu FT-990 and it does have a Band Data jack on the back.  So does it mean that is an easier set-up?

David



To receive you need to run a line from the radios speaker out to either the line or mic in.
(Make sure that whichever one you use is selected in DM780 and not muted in the windows sound card control panel.

You need some kind of interface to TX . You didnt mention what kind of radio you have so I have no idea if it has a data jack or if you need to use the microphone connector to key the rig and to supply the TX audio signal.

Signalinks are nice from what I heard. Wanted to buy one at Hamvention 2007 but they sold out before I even got there. Ended up with a Rigblaster Nomic.

Without more specifics as to what rig you are using makes it hard for anybody to come up with suggestions as far as hookup on the TX end of things.

If HRD supports keying the radio through the cable controlling the radio you may just need to do something as simple as a small transformer from the speaker output from the computer to the microphone connector......

Plenty of homebrew interface projects on the internet from amazingly simple to......

You might even already have what you need in a junk box, old computer modem etc.......
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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2011, 05:27:42 PM »

Some people keep trying to steer others away from DM780 and HRD.  They say it's "way too difficult to learn for the beginner".

PEOPLE, we are HAMS.  We ARE technically minded.  WE CAN LEARN.  I have NEVER found HRD and DM780 to be terribly difficult.  It is AMAZING and very well integrated.  

I use the suite to run my radio with the computer mouse, make digital contacts, have them automatically logged AND update eqsl and Logbook of the World.

Now granted I added each feature little by little since it's pretty modular and you can start with just DM780 if you want.  Yes, you get it with the HRD suite download but you can run only DM780 to start and just do the digital mode at first.  

You have to interface your radio audio and mic with your soundcard audio and mic, NO MATTER WHAT SOFTWARE PACKAGE YOU USE.  THIS IS ALWAYS THE SAME AND IS INDEPENDANT OF THE SOFTWARE, WHETHER DIGIPAN, DM780 or any other program.

The HRD suite is VERY WELL supported through the user forums if you have a problem.  

forums.ham-radio.ch/

I've looked at the competition and some are nice but they don't seem to be able to touch HRD/DM780 for its complete solution for radio control/digital mode/logging AND other features I haven't even touched like pointing your beams for you to exact cooridinates (I don't have beams but it's in there if I ever get them), logging you on pskfinders, dx cluster look ups... on and on and on... but you can start as simple as just running DM780 to make psk contacts.

John KX5JT
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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2011, 05:50:01 PM »

??? I`m new at PSK.  I use the HRD program for regular use and having DM 780 already in it I thought to give it a shot.  I set up DM 780 by the instructions and seemed to go well  but don`t hear anything nor see the waterfall on the screen.  Do I need a external sound card like "Tigertronis" in order to receive sound? Any coments will be appreciated.

David/n4ndx

David, you say you use HRD for "regular use".  So you apparently have the RIG CONTROL setup properly.  That's the part that is WAY more difficult and you have it!!  Changing frequency, modes, tweaking radio settings and having the rig key up for transmit is all working right?

If this is the case, the rest is SIMPLE.  You can approach it very simply or you can get a ready made interface like rigblaster or tigertronics.  Some have a soundcard in them.  You do not have to have that option although there are some advantages, like freeing up your computers soundcard for your computer sounds and not having computer sounds go out on the air.

THE POINT is to get the audio out from the rig into the mic or line in of the computer soundcard.

THE SIMPLEST way is to put your computer mic near your rig speaker.  THAT will actually work!  This is one way, but obviously not the best but if you want to see signals on your waterfall and decode them IT WILL WORK.

OR, it can be from an ext speaker jack, headphone jack or from an accessory jack.  Basically ANY audio out from the rig.  The trick is then to use your mixer in the computer (the one for your computer mic or audio in) to adjust the incoming level appropriately.  Occasionally going with this simple wire with appropriate connectors for the rig and soundcard might cause a ground loop and isolation via a 1:1 audio transformer or optical couplers are required.  In fact, this is highly recommended and is always found in commercial interface.  



The above paragraph is what is needed to get signals from your rigs receive audio onto the waterfall in your computer.  Now, to TRANSMIT the sounds generated from your computer out into the air, i.e. to SEND psk, you need to interface the speaker out from the sound card into some audio INPUT on your rig.  This COULD be into your microphone audio or into the audio in from an accessory jack on the back of your rig.  The software will KEY your rig then generate the audio that needs to go into the audio transmit.

A REALLY SIMPLE WAY TO DO THIS IS TO PUT YOUR RIGS MIC NEAR THE COMPUTER SPEAKER.  YES you CAN actually send digital out that way, but it will be more tricky to get the levels right and of course the mic will pick up other sounds from the room.  BUT I'm telling you this so you can understand the process.

Better, is to use a cable from the speaker out of the sound card to the mic input or audio input on the correct pins of the accessory jack.  EVEN BETTER is to so through isolation via 1:1 audio transformer or optical couplers.

THE EASIEST way is to purchase a commercial interface like the Donner interface (real simple and pretty cheap, google it) or a rigblaster pnp, MFJ, Tigertronics or whatever the latest offerings are from out there.

There are plenty of easy plans to build your own if you google "homebrew digital mode interface" or somesuch.

I hope this helps.

The software you choose to use AFTER this step is up to you, but if you already have HRD setup, I would HIGHLY recommend DM780 since it's made to go with it.

John KX5JT
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 05:53:31 PM by KX5JT »
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N4NDX

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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2011, 05:51:42 PM »

Hi John
You are absolutely right in order for any ham operator to set up and start making contacts is not that simple so once you overcome dealing with matching antennas, tuning amps and dealing with swr/analyzer home brew your own wire antennas what else is there not to comprehend with a little help from our self, that`s why we are here. I find DM 780 program very easy to follow and any ways I personal like a little challenge otherwise is not of any interest to me but I understand he is just trying to help no questions about that.

David/n4ndx
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KX5JT

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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2011, 05:56:14 PM »

That's the spirit David!  I'm not trying to put down the other software packages and even encourage you to check them out.  But DM780 is NOT difficult in comparison.  I think some people see how the entire suite package has SO much to it that it immediately overwhelms them.  Don't let it, just take the modular approach.  You have the HRD working, then get the interface going for DM780.  Later, learn the logging and how to setup the eqsl and lotw integration...

Break it down and keep it simple. :)
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N4NDX

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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2011, 05:58:00 PM »

Yes John I use HRD as my daily logging program and I think is unbeatable by all means,  it is so though out that every thing you need is there, so yes I personally think is a good idea to continue setting it up until conquered.

David/n4ndx

??? I`m new at PSK.  I use the HRD program for regular use and having DM 780 already in it I thought to give it a shot.  I set up DM 780 by the instructions and seemed to go well  but don`t hear anything nor see the waterfall on the screen.  Do I need a external sound card like "Tigertronis" in order to receive sound? Any coments will be appreciated.

David/n4ndx

David, you say you use HRD for "regular use".  So you apparently have the RIG CONTROL setup properly.  That's the part that is WAY more difficult and you have it!!  Changing frequency, modes, tweaking radio settings and having the rig key up for transmit is all working right?

If this is the case, the rest is SIMPLE.  You can approach it very simply or you can get a ready made interface like rigblaster or tigertronics.  Some have a soundcard in them.  You do not have to have that option although there are some advantages, like freeing up your computers soundcard for your computer sounds and not having computer sounds go out on the air.

THE POINT is to get the audio out from the rig into the mic or line in of the computer soundcard.  It can be from an ext speaker jack, headphone jack or from an accessory jack.  Basically ANY audio out from the rig.  The trick is then to use your mixer in the computer (the one for your computer mic or audio in) to adjust the incoming level appropriately.  Occasionally going with this simple wire with appropriate connectors for the rig and soundcard might cause a ground loop and isolation via a 1:1 audio transformer or optical couplers are required.  In fact, this is highly recommended and is always found in commercial interface.  

The above paragraph is what is needed to get signals from your rigs receive audio onto the waterfall in your computer.  Now, to TRANSMIT the sounds generated from your computer out into the air, i.e. to SEND psk, you need to interface the speaker out from the sound card into some audio INPUT on your rig.  This COULD be into your microphone audio or into the audio in from an accessory jack on the back of your rig.  The software will KEY your rig then generate the audio that needs to go into the audio transmit.

A REALLY SIMPLE WAY TO DO THIS IS TO PUT YOUR RIGS MIC NEAR THE COMPUTER SPEAKER.  YES you CAN actually send digital out that way, but it will be more tricky to get the levels right and of course the mic will pick up other sounds from the room.  BUT I'm telling you this so you can understand the process.

Better, is to use a cable from the speaker out of the sound card to the mic input or audio input on the correct pins of the accessory jack.  EVEN BETTER is to so through isolation via 1:1 audio transformer or optical couplers.

THE EASIEST way is to purchase a commercial interface like the Donner interface (real simple and pretty cheap, google it) or a rigblaster pnp, MFJ, Tigertronics or whatever the latest offerings are from out there.

There are plenty of easy plans to build your own if you google "homebrew digital mode interface" or somesuch.

I hope this helps.

The software you choose to use AFTER this step is up to you, but if you already have HRD setup, I would HIGHLY recommend DM780 since it's made to go with it.

John KX5JT
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 06:00:04 PM by N4NDX »
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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2011, 06:00:08 PM »

David, are you seeing ANY "noise" at all on the watefall or is it simply solid?  What are you using for an interface for the audio between rig and computer?  My post earlier was really meant for anyone to understand there has to be an interface for audio. 
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 06:03:03 PM by KX5JT »
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RE: Digital Master 780 (BPSK31) ?
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2011, 06:22:27 PM »

Yes John now I know you need an interface for audio,  when I first  posted that was my first question. I need to buy one and then I`ll be set up all together.   
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