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K1CJS

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2014, 12:03:16 PM »

...I have found that most people, at least here in the mid-west, are decent enough to respect others wishes and will refrain if asked....

And of course, there are those who take it as a personal affront to 'freedom of speech' and respond with even more profanity, as some have obviously heard...

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"As a teenager I thought it was a sign of maturity to use profanity, as I matured I realized it only proved my immaturity."
I'm not sure where I read that line but I thought it appropriate.

Definitely.  73!
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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2014, 03:10:16 PM »

Hi,

I've been licensed since 1979. Long enough to hear a drastic change in Amateur Radio.

I can't turn on my HTX-404 in the morning and not hear someone cursing on the 440 repeaters in the NYC area. What's even more disturbing is the repeater owners themselves using profanity like it's no big deal.

In a recent open letter from the ARRL Hudson director it mentioned the lack of enforcement by the FCC. More info was asked regarding repeater jamming which has been a longstanding problem.

I've let the director know what I'm hearing and that's profanity by licensed repeater owners and their users which I feel is a more serious issue than the jamming. Monkey hear monkey say.

If the repeater owner and his users down cleanup their act then their frequency coordination for the repeater should be pulled immediately and licenses revoked.

Repeater owners condoning profanity. Who would have ever thought it would come down to this.

Mike KA2FIR
   Have you ever listened to the 147.435 repeater in Los Angeles?  The language on there could make you cringe!  You can hear it online from the www.W6DEK.com website, or on the www.RadioReference.com live amateur radio repeater feeds.
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K2OWK

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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2014, 05:34:14 PM »

I have to say the use of foul language on the ham bands is not legal. The use of foul language on a radio station that the public can hear is strictly forbidden by the FCC. Listen to some of the television shows like David Letterman and notice they beep the curse words. If they did not there could be a hefty fine. Cursing over public airwaves is not legal at this time free speech or not. Things crying fire in a crowded theater is not free speech.

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K2OWK

PS: Just because this is a private repeater does not give the owner or the people using it the right to use foul language. CBS is a privately owned station. think they would not be fined if they allowed cursing on their programs.

My opinion.

73s

K2OWK
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K1CJS

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2014, 06:01:30 PM »

Have you ever listened to the 147.435 repeater in Los Angeles?  The language on there could make you cringe!  You can hear it online from the www.W6DEK.com website, or on the www.RadioReference.com live amateur radio repeater feeds.

And it probably goes on because of the people who just 'spin the dial' instead of reporting the problem in the first place--as many times as it takes to get it rectified.  If it's that much of a problem a group of hams in that area could get together, sending individual letters to the FCC's Laura Smith with proof, and the FCC would put the issue up higher on the investigation list.  BUT...  It seems that nobody wants to get involved--as with too many other wrongs that aren't righted because of apathy.
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KD8DVR

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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2014, 05:28:47 PM »

The FCC has a mandate that amateur radio be self-policing.  This means we are REQUIRED to intervene.  "Spinning the dial" in and of itself is a violation of regulations, if we refuse to inform the violators of their infraction.  We are not only required to watch our behavior, but also that of other amateurs. 

That being said... Easier said than done.  I've been threatened by some drunk degenerate who thought it was okay to connect to a D-STAR reflector and begin giving a speech about government and whatever else the demons in his brain were going on about.  It's tough.  You have to have a whole community to be on the same page to go after a problem.  The owner of the system being involved creates a whole larger hurdle to jump.  To invoke "community standards" you need a lot of folks.
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K9MHZ

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2014, 05:19:57 AM »

I spoke with Kay at Dayton, and just generally asked what were the hot issues at the moment, expecting to hear something about spectrum defense, BPL, etc.  She said the biggest thing right now is cleaning up the bands.  She had some very specific insight into how detrimental a few bad apples are, to the entire service.  She didn't elaborate on what the League's plans might be, but there has been a push in the OO program again, so I'm wondering if it might have some teeth.....eg. OOs writing a person and then recording, documenting, reporting if they still persist?  Don't know.

I'm always amazed at what liabilities these guys expose themselves to, just to be cool, sassy, and hip.  Those same tough guys go into the jello mode once caught, and then whine that they can't afford the $10K fine....you read about all the time on the League's news emailings.  No sympathy.

 


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K9MHZ

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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2014, 11:26:40 AM »

I have to say the use of foul language on the ham bands is not legal. The use of foul language on a radio station that the public can hear is strictly forbidden by the FCC.
73s

K2OWK


Absolutely correct.  Case after case of 1st Amendment challenges of all types have been brought before the Supreme Court.   Free speech does NOT guarantee you freedom from prosecution or civil liabilities, given the circumstances.  The Part 97 rules are there, and free speech defenses would not hold up in court if challenged.  The Bill of Rights gives you certain protections, particularly from the government, but it has never given you the right to go crazy and act like an a**hole with impunity.

Spin the dial....sure, why not.  But having a dignified, self-policing, quality amateur service.....much more compelling than looking away.
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K8QV

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2014, 03:32:55 PM »

I'm afraid that you are the one that doesn't grasp the concept--although it's a different concept.  Why do you think that the FCC has forced broadcasters to put the shows with the colorful language or the questionable parts on in the late night hours?  It's because anybody and everybody may be listening.  It's the same with the ham frequencies as with broadcasting--someone that is transmitting has no idea who may be listening, and the FCC frowns on language like that simply because you don't know who IS listening!

You may think having a 'sewer mouth' may be OK, but if you start with such language in a public place, you would be shown the door rather quickly--and possibly helped through it--by LEOs.  Ham radio frequencies--AAMOF, ALL radio frequencies--are public places too, as the FCC has reminded everyone of regularly.


BTW, I like Howard Stern and his antics--but I wouldn't let my kids listen to it when they were younger.  If you have no respect for children and with older people who may find that language offensive, the FCC obviously does since they will and do take action against such language and anyone who uses it inappropriately--that is, on the air.  

Oh, and if you knew what you were talking about at all, you would know that the repeater in question isn't anywhere near me.  Try reading the entire thread before commenting.  That way you wouldn't make yourself out to be such an asshole.  


Oh dear. Children may be reading this!
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K1CJS

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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2014, 12:46:16 PM »

...Oh, and if you knew what you were talking about at all, you would know that the repeater in question isn't anywhere near me.  Try reading the entire thread before commenting.  That way you wouldn't make yourself out to be such an asshole.  


Oh dear. Children may be reading this!

Thank you.  That word was there to make a point--and you've just proved it.  Is it better to not use words like that--or to try to block them from sight?  It's much better not to use them AT ALL, that way there's nothing to worry about.  No?  Then exercise YOUR brand of control and don't let them look at words like that.  Now it's not so easy, is it?  Especially if you're not even there.

The spoken word makes it even harder.  Do you want to argue now that freedom of speech trumps the responsibility to make moral choices--such as not use such words while children or elderly people can hear them?  If you do, you're an (word that you bold type indicated above)!  
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K8QV

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2014, 02:46:06 PM »

...Oh, and if you knew what you were talking about at all, you would know that the repeater in question isn't anywhere near me.  Try reading the entire thread before commenting.  That way you wouldn't make yourself out to be such an asshole.  


Oh dear. Children may be reading this!

Thank you.  That word was there to make a point--and you've just proved it.  Is it better to not use words like that--or to try to block them from sight?  It's much better not to use them AT ALL, that way there's nothing to worry about.  No?  Then exercise YOUR brand of control and don't let them look at words like that.  Now it's not so easy, is it?  Especially if you're not even there.

The spoken word makes it even harder.  Do you want to argue now that freedom of speech trumps the responsibility to make moral choices--such as not use such words while children or elderly people can hear them?  If you do, you're an (word that you bold type indicated above)!  

What you're essentially saying is that anyone who disagrees with you is a "B_d W_rd!" What a cogent and thoughtful argument. Who decides a word is "bad" and how does that process work? This was the problem facing the Supreme Court and they came up with "community standards" regarding the use of what some claim is objectionable language or imagery. Well, we live in a big community and our "elderly people" and children don't need protection from the real world. Words aren't inherently bad, nudity isn't inherently bad, even sex (oh my!) isn't evil, but repression and censorship is. People, old and young, aren't so fragile that they will break if they hear a word you choose to label "bad." Relax a little, it's good for the blood pressure.
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K1CJS

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2014, 05:16:10 PM »

No, I'm not.  My statement was to the reply # 8, made by W2IBC.  If you want to butt in with your thoughts, that's your choice.  

What I am saying is simply what the FCC and the regs say.  Swearing and bad language don't belong on the airwaves--ham bands or otherwise, and the FCC can and does take steps to eliminate it when they're made aware of it.  And that does include revoking a ham's license--most easily done on the 'questionable character' issue--if they refuse to clean up their act.  I'm saying nothing else.  Interpret it how ever you want to, I'm done.
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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2014, 06:18:14 PM »

I would like to see some case examples of FCC doing this and winning.
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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2014, 07:54:25 AM »

W2IBC, thank you!   

For much of my life, I have been fascinated by the hypocrisy of people who get bent out of shape because they heard a bad word.  Think about it.   If you know what the word means, then you must have heard it before.  Also, if you know what it means, then you are obviously not as pure as the driven snow, your own self image not withstanding.   While I occasionally fear that I may have let something slip out on the air unintentionally, and wish I had my transmission recorded so I could feel better if I did not or apologize if I did, I don't get bent out of shape if I run across a colorful discussion somewhere, be it on 75m or 11m.  There is so much worse going on in the world these days.
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K1CJS

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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2014, 10:51:00 AM »

Now you're going to argue that hearing one bad word that slipped is equal to the constant cursing and swearing that the original poster referred to?  You are obviously a liberal of the type that is causing this country to just about lose its moral standards.  

And I don't think it's 'hypocrisy' to be against such language without speaking out every time someone slips and uses such a word.  As with most things, it's the frequency of occurrence--the degree of exposure--that makes the offense an offense.

Added--I suppose you're going to also argue that yelling FIRE in a crowded theater is also covered by freedom of speech?  Some things are just plain wrong no matter what your beliefs, and cursing at or around people who will be offended by such language is just one of those things.
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K8QV

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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2014, 05:55:50 AM »

Now you're going to argue that hearing one bad word that slipped is equal to the constant cursing and swearing that the original poster referred to?  You are obviously a liberal of the type that is causing this country to just about lose its moral standards.  

And I don't think it's 'hypocrisy' to be against such language without speaking out every time someone slips and uses such a word.  As with most things, it's the frequency of occurrence--the degree of exposure--that makes the offense an offense.

Added--I suppose you're going to also argue that yelling FIRE in a crowded theater is also covered by freedom of speech?  Some things are just plain wrong no matter what your beliefs, and cursing at or around people who will be offended by such language is just one of those things.


There it is. The Liberal Conspiracy! At least we now know the mindset behind this rant.  ;)

The "yelling FIRE" analogy doesn't apply because that action could likely cause a human stampede with resultant injuries. Saying words that certain people find offensive poses no danger to safety as with the theater scenario. It is simply a case of "I don't like this and therefore you shouldn't do it."
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