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K1CJS

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2014, 07:45:00 AM »

There it is. The Liberal Conspiracy! At least we now know the mindset behind this rant.  ;)

The "yelling FIRE" analogy doesn't apply because that action could likely cause a human stampede with resultant injuries. Saying words that certain people find offensive poses no danger to safety as with the theater scenario. It is simply a case of "I don't like this and therefore you shouldn't do it."

Very funny.  Try again.  And the 'yelling fire' analogy does apply since the original argument was that a person should be able to say anything they want to, anywhere they want to say it.

BTW, if you've been following the thread, you would have seen the many references to regulations, FCC mandates and the way the FCC takes action against offenders.  If it were just me that didn't like such words, I wouldn't be here arguing with you.  So much for your supposition that I'm saying  "I don't like this and therefore you shouldn't do it."
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K4JJL

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2014, 07:57:15 AM »

This thread is getting really close to proving Godwin's Law.
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KV4BL

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2014, 12:16:56 PM »

Now you're going to argue that hearing one bad word that slipped is equal to the constant cursing and swearing that the original poster referred to?  You are obviously a liberal of the type that is causing this country to just about lose its moral standards.  

And I don't think it's 'hypocrisy' to be against such language without speaking out every time someone slips and uses such a word.  As with most things, it's the frequency of occurrence--the degree of exposure--that makes the offense an offense.

Added--I suppose you're going to also argue that yelling FIRE in a crowded theater is also covered by freedom of speech?  Some things are just plain wrong no matter what your beliefs, and cursing at or around people who will be offended by such language is just one of those things.


Uhhh, where did I use "freedom of speech" as an argument?  I simply noted the absurdity and hypocrisy of people who get bent out of shape because they hear a bad word or words.   Nothing like faux "morality" to make one feel superior to others when they have no other reason or basis for having such feelings, I guess.
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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2014, 12:30:07 PM »

Now you're going to argue that hearing one bad word that slipped is equal to the constant cursing and swearing that the original poster referred to?  You are obviously a liberal of the type that is causing this country to just about lose its moral standards.  

And I don't think it's 'hypocrisy' to be against such language without speaking out every time someone slips and uses such a word.  As with most things, it's the frequency of occurrence--the degree of exposure--that makes the offense an offense.

Added--I suppose you're going to also argue that yelling FIRE in a crowded theater is also covered by freedom of speech?  Some things are just plain wrong no matter what your beliefs, and cursing at or around people who will be offended by such language is just one of those things.


Uhhh, where did I use "freedom of speech" as an argument?  I simply noted the absurdity and hypocrisy of people who get bent out of shape because they hear a bad word or words.   Nothing like faux "morality" to make one feel superior to others when they have no other reason or basis for having such feelings, I guess.

Arguing with that guy is like pissing into the wind.  You end up getting urine sprayed in your face...
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K1CJS

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2014, 07:37:08 AM »

Uhhh, where did I use "freedom of speech" as an argument? ...

Didn't say you did, but it was brought up in the thread, and is one of the basis of the discussion. 
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WA2ISE

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2014, 05:24:34 PM »

The FCC has a mandate that amateur radio be self-policing.  This means we are REQUIRED to intervene. 

No, this doesn't mean we should be vigilantes.  It means we should stop ourselves before doing something illegal on the air.  Yeah...  ::)
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K1CJS

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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2014, 06:13:51 AM »

Vigilantes, no.  We should never take the law into our own hands.  We should police ourselves, yes.  But our responsibility doesn't stop at policing just ourselves.  We should bring repeated flagrant offenses to the attention of the authorities, because that is just about the only way the authorities will actually hear about them, and about the only way those abuses/mistakes will be corrected. 

That is one reason the Official Observer is in place, so that such offenses can be reported to him, and he can take the appropriate action once he determines the offense severity.  He will then either send a warning card (most of us know what that is) or refer the matter higher up in the chain.
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K1CJS

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RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2014, 05:55:26 AM »

Christ some people are just dense.

Yup.  You're right--AND you're dense.

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N6BHU VS FCC 1981 set the point. Broadcast such as AM/FM/TV and two way radio are two separate things. 1 anyone can find and #2 a person HAS TO SEEK IT OUT.

Right again.  They ARE separate, but the prohibition of transmission of vulgar or offensive language on the airwaves is universal.  It simply is NOT permitted.

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If a repeater owner wants to allow users to tell someone to **** off, they have that right and if you don't like it then go to some hihi om repeater.

Sure they can, but they cannot say "**** off" or any such language on the air.  The FCC has made that plain and clear many times.  It is they who say that no one has that right, not me.

But just go on with your thinking and your use of such language on the airwaves, and sooner or later you'll get the message.  Freedom of speech is one thing, but what you're advocating is not freedom of speech.  The FCC and the courts have said that time and again too.
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KB0VGD

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Re: RE: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2019, 05:24:29 PM »

There it is. The Liberal Conspiracy! At least we now know the mindset behind this rant.  ;)

The "yelling FIRE" analogy doesn't apply because that action could likely cause a human stampede with resultant injuries. Saying words that certain people find offensive poses no danger to safety as with the theater scenario. It is simply a case of "I don't like this and therefore you shouldn't do it."

Very funny.  Try again.  And the 'yelling fire' analogy does apply since the original argument was that a person should be able to say anything they want to, anywhere they want to say it.

BTW, if you've been following the thread, you would have seen the many references to regulations, FCC mandates and the way the FCC takes action against offenders.  If it were just me that didn't like such words, I wouldn't be here arguing with you.  So much for your supposition that I'm saying  "I don't like this and therefore you shouldn't do it."
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KB5ZSM

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Re: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2019, 11:08:45 PM »

Many years ago I left CB because of the bad language and the ignorance of so many operators. I came to ham radio to get away from all of the garbage. I wanted to be able to use the radio anywhere I wanted without offending others with the bad manors heard from the radio speaker. If we let our hobby become like CB radio then I will NOT be trying to get my children and grandchildren involved. Bad language is childish and unnessessary and shows a lack of maturity. There is no room for it in our hobby.
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KB8VUL

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Re: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2019, 04:33:35 PM »

Well, here's the part that no none is seeing.
There was a time that curse words were not allowed on the telephone either.  This was back in the days of party lines because the other party or parties could pick up the phone could hear profane or otherwise unacceptable language.  This law is actually how we got a private line early on.  My father was ON THE PHONE complaining about it to the phone company and the woman we shared the line with got on it, and when the phone company person explained to her what was going on, she replied that she didn't give a **** and to get the F off the line she needed to make a call.  We had a private line the next day. 
That being said, we now have phone sex lines where I promise you the word f u c k gets said a LOT. Along with other things that there is no way anyone, including the people on the call would not consider it profane and unacceptable in normal company.  And I honestly don't know the laws were ever really changed.

Now, do we actually know what have been said on the repeater in question?  Words that were unacceptable a number of years ago are now on prime time television. And those words WERE considered at one time to be unacceptable by most.  Saying **** or damn 20 years ago on the commercial air ways would get you fined.  Now, not so much.  And go look up the song Stupify by Disturbed.  This is a song that plays on the radio all the time.  Now if you can't hear them dropping the F bomb over and over, you're deaf as a post. And again, this plays every day on rock stations across America. 
So what was said, in what context, and ultimately, if it's HIS repeater and his license hanging out there to get took, why do you care?
If you don't like people saying certain words, on certain repeaters, remove them from your programming list in your radios.
If you are offended by the words said on the TV channel or show that you are watching, pick up the remote and change the channel.
If you are continuously offended by everything, sorry about your luck.
And if that offended you, well, my normal response don't apply, because I can't tell you to look deeply into my eyes and see if I care.  But I can tell you now that I don't look like I care... because frankly I don't. 

Your are left with two choices, first is putting on your big boy pants, and manning up a bit and understand that other people are going to occasionally use terms that may offend you.  But that's a YOU problem.
The second is to take on the title of snowflake, die your hair in rainbow colors and cry about everyone else.  But don't expect others to care,,, because they don't really.
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KB8VUL

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Re: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2019, 06:42:00 PM »

After thinking about it. I do have this to add to the previous tirade.
If you are one that thinks that it makes you cool to use that sort of language in a public setting, you're a moron.
If you feel that this sort of language is actually acceptable and others should deal with it because you use the word **** or some variation of it at least 3 times in the same sentence, in every sentence that comes out of your mouth, not only are you a moron, but you are dumb to boot.  It would be advisable to go get a book on english, or maybe just shut your hole and listen to other people that seem to be able to get their points across without making themselves look dumb by continually using this type of language when it's really not appropriate.
There is a time and a place.  Drop a brick on your foot,,, you are clear to cuss.  Come home and find your neighbor stooping your wife,,, let the cuss words roll.  Go buy a radio for a guy at a hamfest that promises you it works great and the smoke pours out of it and it sets your bench on fire... Well you can say anything you want about that worthless fucktard.  But in normal conversation, on your hammie radio.  Don't be an ass.  Cuz you is only provin you dumb as a bag of richards.
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Re: Repeater owners using profanity on their own repeater
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2019, 08:33:22 PM »

I am offended by some of the language in the last 2 posts. Same standard for HR should also be used here.
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