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N6ALP

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Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« on: November 17, 2011, 08:40:52 AM »

A friend living nearby disconnected his antenna PL-259 connector a couple of days ago just before we experienced a lightning / rain storm here in the mountains. Today he came back on the air. He said that he tried to join us yesterday, but forgot his antenna was disconnected. He said he was wondering why no one would answer him when he tried to contact us several times yesterday.

We always see the caution "NEVER KEY YOUR MIC IF YOUR RADIO IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE ANTENNA", but no explanation of the consequences? Apparently there are none since he was able to get back online today. Was he just lucky?

I always disconnect my microphone and put it in a desk drawer when my antenna is disconnected ---- that way I always remember to reconnect the antenna before I reinstall the mic.

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KB4MB

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RE: Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 08:48:46 AM »

Well, modern radios with their foldback on high swr, plus the low duty of ssb helps protect the finals.  If you started keying down on an older rig for tuning, full power, you'd do some damage.
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KA0HCP

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RE: Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 12:57:09 PM »

As has been said before "RF gotta go somewhere".   Your buddy got lucky!
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G0GQK

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RE: Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 01:29:29 PM »

Advise him to make a card to place on the top of the tranceiver ANTENNA NOT CONNECTED

Mel G0GQK
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WB6BYU

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RE: Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 02:11:07 PM »

My experience is that rigs are much more robust than popular myth seems to claim.
I've transmitted any number of times without an antenna connected, or with shorted
or open coax, over the years, and haven't blown a final (tube or transistor) from it.

But that doesn't mean it is a good habit to develop!


Most modern solid state rigs have protection circuits built in.  With tube rigs the plate
current meter would show that something is wrong when you go to dip it.

It seems that the most common cause of final failure is overheating.  I've only blown
2 finals in 40+ years as a ham:  one was a 2m FM rig under the seat of my car where
the heater vent blew on the heatsink, and the other was a QRP rig when I tried to see
how much output power I could get from a TO-18 transistor.  (OK, perhaps drawing
100mA through a 50mA transistor had something to do with it, too.)

But even when a disconnected antenna causes high dissipation in the final, that won't
cause damage until it continues long enough for the temperature to rise.  With a small
transistor that can happen pretty quickly, but in most cases it is the excessive dissipation
over an extended time that causes problems.

This doesn't mean that it is good practice, of course, but generally brief lapses of attention
such as that don't cause permanent damage as long as they don't go on for too long.

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RE: Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 02:21:27 PM »

The truth is, if he would have installed the antennas, and grounded entrance panel correctly, he wouldn't have had to disconnect anything—storm or no storm.
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W8JX

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RE: Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 02:34:54 PM »

I switch my rigs into a dummy load during a storm.
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RE: Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 04:42:03 PM »

Try that with any 706 mk2g and welcome to a load of new hurt and discontinued final PA's.
Been there did that on borrowed radio!
Bob
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KD8MJR

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RE: Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2011, 03:39:04 PM »

Advise him to make a card to place on the top of the tranceiver ANTENNA NOT CONNECTED

Mel G0GQK

Let me give you some better advice that I was given and always follow.

WHEN YOU DISCONNECT THE ANTENNA ALWAYS DISCONNECT THE MIC !

It's that simple, when I see my Mic disconnected I know something is not in order so it jogs my memory. I do it when the Antenna is disconnected or if something is wrong with some piece of equipment in the Tx line.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2011, 09:05:16 AM by KD8MJR »
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W9KDX

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RE: Never key a mic when not connected to an antenna?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2011, 09:27:35 AM »

The truth is, if he would have installed the antennas, and grounded entrance panel correctly, he wouldn't have had to disconnect anything—storm or no storm.

I have all the grounding installed correctly and I still disconnect the coax.  I just don't trust lightning and I prefer not to find all my equipment fried.  Part of the standard set-up along with all the switches I need to flip is connecting the antenna back up.  Plus I kind of notice a problem if there are no stations coming through to begin with.
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