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Title: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 17, 2016, 01:41:11 PM
Good luck - hope we all get our ATNO!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 17, 2016, 01:49:02 PM
Good luck to you too, Rich, and all ehammers.  I know I'll need it!   :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 17, 2016, 02:14:01 PM
Can I wish everyone bad luck and good luck to myself ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 17, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
Can I wish everyone bad luck and good luck to myself ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

You don't need Luck  :D

73
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K9IUQ on January 17, 2016, 02:45:38 PM
Can I wish everyone bad luck and good luck to myself ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

If I had to rely on luck, my DX logbook would be empty. I rely on my location, equipment, antennas, and the experience I have gained in 55 years of hamming.

Only the clueless rely on luck.... And they usually end up on eHam whining about poor condx.
 ;) :D :D

Stan  K9IUQ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 17, 2016, 03:08:27 PM
PV8ADI is having quite the run on 14.024.  Keeps getting spotted as VP8STI.

Simplex, of course.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3MEG on January 17, 2016, 03:12:12 PM
Quote
Quote from: W6GX on Today at 02:14:01 PM
Can I wish everyone bad luck and good luck to myself Grin

73,
Jonathan W6GX

If I had to rely on luck, my DX logbook would be empty. I rely on my location, equipment, antennas, and the experience I have gained in 55 years of hamming.

Only the clueless rely on luck.... And they usually end up on eHam whining about poor condx.
 Wink Cheesy Cheesy

Stan  K9IUQ

i think i will still need luck :) but like you Stan i have prepared as best i can thats all you can do. and i cbf putting the 5th element on my tribander.
cheers
steve
vk3meg
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3MEG on January 17, 2016, 03:22:14 PM
Quote
PV8ADI is having quite the run on 14.024.  Keeps getting spotted as VP8STI.

well at leaast i'm hearing him that gives me some hope. :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 17, 2016, 03:23:22 PM
PV8ADI is having quite the run on 14.024.  Keeps getting spotted as VP8STI.

Simplex, of course.

Lots of people THINK they got S Sandwich when it is ONLY Brazil.

People just do not listen...They see a spot and ASS / U / ME it is correct !!!

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 17, 2016, 04:03:35 PM

Lots of people THINK they got S Sandwich when it is ONLY Brazil.


Let them enjoy their ATNOs  ;D

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 17, 2016, 04:39:13 PM
waiting for the show to begin?

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3BL on January 17, 2016, 04:53:50 PM


i think i will still need luck :) but like you Stan i have prepared as best i can thats all you can do. and i cbf putting the 5th element on my tribander.
cheers
steve
vk3meg


But Steve, the fifth element is bad ass!

(http://www.bobafettfanclub.com/multimedia/galleries/albums/userpics/10001/the-fifth-element.jpg)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K9IUQ on January 17, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
waiting for the show to begin?

Obie N5VYS


http://www.hark.com/clips/fngtfcsmfj-lets-get-ready-to-rumble

Stan K9IUQ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 17, 2016, 07:37:28 PM
I wonder how many thousand DXers are sitting in front of their rigs right now, wondering "where are they?"   :D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 17, 2016, 07:49:39 PM
I wonder how many thousand DXers are sitting in front of their rigs right now, wondering "where are they?"   :D

The suspense reminded me of K1N.  It was John W2GD who was brave enough to fire up the first station on 40m CW.  I met John at Visalia and I thanked him for my very first K1N contact on 40m CW.  The second K1N contact was on 80m and the third was on 160m.  Gosh I wish I could work VP8STI in that order :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 17, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
I'll bet they're dealing with a ton of crap, I mean penguin dodo.  ::)
Weather can be very nasty there, could be change in plans with all hands to get tents setup first.
Sunrise is about 0520z there, hope they are all ok.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3BL on January 17, 2016, 07:54:39 PM
I wonder how many thousand DXers are sitting in front of their rigs right now, wondering "where are they?"   :D

Probably not as many as those wondering where K5P is :P
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 17, 2016, 08:03:34 PM
They have very long daylight hours and probably a bright twilight such that station setup can be done around the clock.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 12:40:13 AM
I can hear Bob VP8LP on 20 m phone 5x7 on short path.

The VP8STI alarm is set.

Looking forward to the next new one!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 18, 2016, 12:46:20 AM
anyone know whats going on, they were expected to be QRV yesterday hope all is ok down there,
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 12:51:38 AM
That side of the world is nearly a day "behind".
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2SR on January 18, 2016, 03:22:54 AM
Good luck - hope we all get our ATNO!

YAWN.  It'll be a new one for me on 80 and 40. 

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 03:32:37 AM
YAWN.  It'll be a new one for me on 80 and 40. 

Yeah, and I've worked K5P on so many slots it's getting boring!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ3N on January 18, 2016, 03:34:18 AM
YAWN.  It'll be a new one for me on 80 and 40. 

Yeah, and I've worked K5P on so many slots it's getting boring!

A pox on both of you....  :P
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5BO on January 18, 2016, 04:03:59 AM
14.023 right now, hope it's the real deal!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 04:07:50 AM
He signed "VP8STI" and "sounds right"!

Worked fairly quickly. Wow! #321
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 18, 2016, 04:14:49 AM

 I saw the Z6 spot for 14.023, nothing here?

 Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 18, 2016, 04:16:41 AM
Congrats, Luke.

I only see the spots, hear the pileup.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3MEG on January 18, 2016, 04:20:54 AM
getting a a few dits and dah not much else prop seems ok . good to know i can hear them. i'll be patient. :)
 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 18, 2016, 04:28:30 AM

14.023 right now, hope it's the real deal!


I just worked them on 14.023. Not too strong at the moment (07:25 my time), not moving my s-meter at all, but readable well.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 04:31:06 AM
Steve, propagation prediction charts indicate 20 m should be open day and night to us. It will be a matter of good timing, slipping between NA, JA and EU who will probably hear them a lot louder than us.

He was just starting when I jumped in there. Not strong, a real 439 here, but he seemed to hear well.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 05:16:25 AM
I can actually hear them on 15 m, just after midnight here.

Propagation from there to Europe is too good, so will try tomorrow.

Just too much excitement for me today. I need a drink or I won't sleep!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 18, 2016, 06:33:46 AM

14.023 right now, hope it's the real deal!


I just worked them on 14.023. Not too strong at the moment (07:25 my time), not moving my s-meter at all, but readable well.

73 Marvin VE3VEE

I saw your spot but no copy at all on the Bencher Skyhawk at 55 feet.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 18, 2016, 06:48:45 AM
Chris, it wasn't the best time of day for a 20m QSO. The signals should be better tonight. GL!

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 18, 2016, 06:58:07 AM
Hearing them slightly above esp/qsb  on 15m cw.

Still a bit early for here to there.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 18, 2016, 07:27:47 AM
Steve, propagation prediction charts indicate 20 m should be open day and night to us.

Propagation charts predicted Palmyra would be open on one band or another with good to strong signals to East Coast NA and we saw how useful they were.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 18, 2016, 08:24:56 AM
Greetings from the VP8STI Southern Thule Island. We are now QRV with three stations and expect more stations to be QRV shortly. Our landing yesterday was very difficult. The initial team on the island had to wear wetsuits and go onto the rocks to establish safety ropes for team and equipment. One team member and one generator went into the ocean. The team member is recovering. The generator is not. The seas are very rough which makes bringing supplies to the island very dangerous. We are experiencing high winds and some snow. We are currently working through several critical issues:

1) Voltage sags on our three generators are causing our K3′s to experience problems.

2) We are missing parts to some critical antennas.

3) We are down one 6KW generator until the Braveheart can bring a backup generator.

We are still actively raising antennas and we hope to be QRV on 30, 40 and possibly 80 meters tonight. We plan to upload logs to Clublog each day starting tomorrow. Please know that we are doing our best under very difficult conditions and we hope to see you in our logs.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5UD on January 18, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
This reads like no picnic !

VP8 Team, thanks for the tremendous effort.

73 Tony N5UD
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 18, 2016, 09:14:32 AM
I am trying and trying and nothing. Looks like they are concentrating on EU for now. I guess when propagation shifts I can have a chance.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA4053SWL on January 18, 2016, 09:17:56 AM
From Uruguay on 17 meters cw I hear very loud 599, but on 15 phone nothing
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 18, 2016, 09:44:39 AM
This reads like no picnic !
VP8 Team, thanks for the tremendous effort.
73 Tony N5UD
My hope is that the Team remain safe.
Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 18, 2016, 09:48:02 AM
Hopefully I just got them on 15. Lids/cops/tuners not making it easy.

On 17 is that them? Some spots say K5P, some say VP8STI. I have been listening for a callsign but IDing is few and far between.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2016, 11:08:57 AM
I hear nothing on any band.  I don't have a positive vibe on this one :-\

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 18, 2016, 11:24:04 AM
Hopefully I just got them on 15. Lids/cops/tuners not making it easy.

On 17 is that them? Some spots say K5P, some say VP8STI. I have been listening for a callsign but IDing is few and far between.

I just saw your 15 meter spot.  What was the real report?  They are very weak in MA. 

Based on their signals  from the boat on 10 and 15 I thought this would be a piece of cake but I'm starting to wonder if the mountain is blocking their signal. 

W6GX, I concur.  I'm not picking up good vibes.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 18, 2016, 11:34:39 AM
Perhaps they're running barefoot until the voltage issues get fixed?  Who knows but hope the crew is safe, especially whoever went into the drink.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 18, 2016, 11:38:44 AM
Perhaps they're running barefoot until the voltage issues get fixed? 
Agreed.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 18, 2016, 11:41:14 AM
Perhaps they're running barefoot until the voltage issues get fixed? 
Agreed.

Obie N5VYS

That would make good sense.
A spike could easily wipe out a solid state amp.

One BRACK is all it takes.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 18, 2016, 11:49:33 AM
I got up a few times this morning to see if they had gotten on the air yet but no dice. I'll definitely start listening for them later today and in the mornings. Hopefully 30/40 will be a good band to work them on in the wee hours of the morning.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2016, 12:15:50 PM
W6GX, I concur.  I'm not picking up good vibes.

Was hoping to hear first signals like FT5ZM's :D

My station is for sale.  Reasonable offer accepted.  I'll take cash or money order.  No PayPal.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 18, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
While we're waiting, a reminder of what can happen !

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5B2oo9-Sjw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5B2oo9-Sjw)


The whole thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X0SUzptjzw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X0SUzptjzw)

Good hunting:) 73
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 18, 2016, 12:38:13 PM
Hopefully I just got them on 15. Lids/cops/tuners not making it easy.

On 17 is that them? Some spots say K5P, some say VP8STI. I have been listening for a callsign but IDing is few and far between.

I just saw your 15 meter spot.  What was the real report?  They are very weak in MA. 

Based on their signals  from the boat on 10 and 15 I thought this would be a piece of cake but I'm starting to wonder if the mountain is blocking their signal. 

W6GX, I concur.  I'm not picking up good vibes.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Perhaps I dreamed (or was in a drunken stupor) what I thought was Paul mentioning that prop to E. coast would be OK (just missing the mountain to reach the E. coast), but that W. coast would be tough.  Is that correct, or am I thinking of Heard?

Nothing heard here in e. central Florida so far.

73, Gene  AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2016, 12:38:47 PM
W6GX, I concur.  I'm not picking up good vibes.

Was hoping to hear first signals like FT5ZM's :D

My station is for sale.  Reasonable offer accepted.  I'll take cash or money order.  No PayPal.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I'll offer $10,000.  You move tower.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 18, 2016, 12:45:33 PM
W6GX, I concur.  I'm not picking up good vibes.

Was hoping to hear first signals like FT5ZM's :D

My station is for sale.  Reasonable offer accepted.  I'll take cash or money order.  No PayPal.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I'll offer $10,000.  You move tower
.

That sounded reasonable, until you threw in the "you move tower" part.  :)

Don't sell just yet, Jonathan. Prop on 17m slowly moving west. Up to a solid 419 w/qsb.

Good ears, though.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2016, 12:48:41 PM
I can hear Dima on 17m CW ESP.  So the signal is building slowly.  I'll have to leave the house in two hours so I'll miss the fun, again!

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 18, 2016, 12:55:54 PM
I popped out during a break from a training class at work to take a listen on the club station and they had a decent signal on 17m cw (the club station has dipole and an ic-718) Looking forward to jumping into the pileups!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 18, 2016, 01:03:56 PM
While we're waiting, a reminder of what can happen !

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5B2oo9-Sjw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5B2oo9-Sjw)


The whole thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X0SUzptjzw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X0SUzptjzw)

Good hunting:) 73


I worked VP8SSI back in 1992.  Back then I was a relatively new ham and content to work a new country on one band, one mode, and I never worried about an "insurance" QSO. I worked 269 countries in that fashion but never got back a card saying I was "NIL."

That was the first time I'd seen that video.  I have no QSLs on the wall in the radio room but the VP8SSI QSL is going up as soon as I find it.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2016, 01:04:19 PM
That's funny.  I can hear Bob VP8LP on 12m 24.953.  I think I need a new hobby.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 18, 2016, 01:07:51 PM
Their signal is building on 17M in STX!

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 18, 2016, 01:21:07 PM
I can hear Dima on 17m CW ESP.  So the signal is building slowly.  I'll have to leave the house in two hours so I'll miss the fun, again!

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I wrote too soon.  They weren't terribly strong on 15 meters but I made a good contact at 20:07 UTC.  That was SSB.

I hadn't looked at the team members but leave it to Dima and his fast fist to keep one on their toes!  The VP8STI Op on 17 was going noticeably faster than most expedition Ops and my call was answered on my first transmission.  As a result it took about a second for it to register that he'd come back to me.  I should've resent my call to make sure it was indeed me but I sent 599 TU and he replied with the same so I'm pretty sure it's good.  His speed and getting a reply on my first call when they weren't very strong really caught me by surprise.

They were much stronger from the boat but it's very possible the amps are off.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 18, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
Hopefully I just got them on 15. Lids/cops/tuners not making it easy.

On 17 is that them? Some spots say K5P, some say VP8STI. I have been listening for a callsign but IDing is few and far between.

I just saw your 15 meter spot.  What was the real report?  They are very weak in MA. 

Based on their signals  from the boat on 10 and 15 I thought this would be a piece of cake but I'm starting to wonder if the mountain is blocking their signal. 

W6GX, I concur.  I'm not picking up good vibes.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Not quite ESP but very very weak.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 18, 2016, 01:42:57 PM
17M gone in STX? & congrats Chris.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N3QE on January 18, 2016, 02:14:46 PM
Lots of locals here in W3 and W4 working them on 17M CW Monday afternoon. They stopped to chat with Bernie for a minute.

At least one EA got in the log on 17M.

A bit later they took a break and called for Asia/JA only. Worked a couple VK's, then a famous JA call ending with "D" ... they came back with his call but with a B on the end... typical extra-polite JA, he did not come back till they used his correct call.

They are super easy to hear on 30M CW working JA's.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: M0TTB on January 18, 2016, 02:15:29 PM
Pretty good signals into G from them on 15m today, 59 at times.

A bit of luck for me, the vfo on 21.285 whilst I was working in the shack, maybe first ssb qso in their log, no pile-up and they were not getting any takers until i spotted them on cdxc closed cluster. A bit surprising considering it was a pre publsihed qrg for VP8STI, there's usually a few laying in wait in those situations.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AB4ZT on January 18, 2016, 02:21:09 PM
Came up nicely to s-4/5 here in central FL on 17 CW - condx here rotating dipole up 35 feet and 600 watts - worked after a couple of calls...I think my best 1st day luck ever.

GL and 73,

Richard, AB4ZT
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 18, 2016, 02:33:58 PM
Pretty good signals into G from them on 15m today, 59 at times.

A bit of luck for me, the vfo on 21.285 whilst I was working in the shack, maybe first ssb qso in their log, no pile-up and they were not getting any takers until i spotted them on cdxc closed cluster. A bit surprising considering it was a pre publsihed qrg for VP8STI, there's usually a few laying in wait in those situations.

Hi Andy

Reliably informed PA2LO was first in the SSB log. All in all, who cares about that...congrats for the Q

73 Col MM0NDX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: M0TTB on January 18, 2016, 02:37:36 PM
Pretty good signals into G from them on 15m today, 59 at times.

A bit of luck for me, the vfo on 21.285 whilst I was working in the shack, maybe first ssb qso in their log, no pile-up and they were not getting any takers until i spotted them on cdxc closed cluster. A bit surprising considering it was a pre publsihed qrg for VP8STI, there's usually a few laying in wait in those situations.

Hi Andy

Reliably informed PA2LO was first in the SSB log. All in all, who cares about that...congrats for the Q

73 Col MM0NDX

I thought I heard him go through after me, but I may him confused with a few cdxc PA's who went through after I spotted it. But as you say, it matters not, just odd to hear forlorn unanswered cq calls by VP8STI  ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 18, 2016, 03:21:54 PM
Finally home from work. I can hear them pretty well on 30m.. workable signal. It's a little weak and fluttery but no real problems copying them. Hopefully it at least sustains this sig level or better.. they should have a good opportunity to pick this band clean in no time. Big pileup, but fantastic op on the other end knocking them out one after the other at a really good rate.

I will say though.. over enthusiastic cops & people who don't check their vfo are out in full force tonight.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 18, 2016, 03:44:31 PM
VP8STI now has two stations running on 20 m simultaneously, 14.023 & 14.185. The CW is 519 and the SSB station is 55. Nice work!

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 18, 2016, 04:02:56 PM
Worked them on 20M CW for ATNO 336/341.

Now I am 4 away from Honor Roll #1
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 18, 2016, 04:14:13 PM
Worked them on 20M CW for ATNO 336/341.

Now I am 4 away from Honor Roll #1

 :) Congrats Rich.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 18, 2016, 04:17:15 PM
Worked them on 20M CW for ATNO 336/341.

Now I am 4 away from Honor Roll #1

 :) Congrats Rich.

Thanks!

Next up? VK0EK  ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 18, 2016, 04:46:12 PM
Worked them on 20M CW for ATNO 336/341.

Now I am 4 away from Honor Roll #1

 :) Congrats Rich.

Thanks!

Next up? VK0EK  ;D

I'm glad that you were able to atone for a long-ago rookie DXing sin.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 18, 2016, 05:01:10 PM
"THINK" I made it in the log on 30 meters this evening.  The QRM was REALLY bad, and he called me at least twice before I heard him good enough to be sure, plus, I think I was lulled into dozing.. hi
The last call from him was "AF3Y TU", and only THEN did I answer.  He may have moved on before hearing me....... only their log can tell. DAMN QRMers anyway...  >:(

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 18, 2016, 05:15:10 PM
I had basically the same thing happen on 30.

Then on 20 there was someone playing a recording over and over and over on the DX frequency.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 18, 2016, 05:15:30 PM
I can't hear anybody.....and I am PISSED!!!!!!..... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(...........

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 18, 2016, 05:24:25 PM
"THINK" I made it in the log on 30 meters this evening.  The QRM was REALLY bad, and he called me at least twice before I heard him good enough to be sure, plus, I think I was lulled into dozing.. hi
The last call from him was "AF3Y TU", and only THEN did I answer.  He may have moved on before hearing me....... only their log can tell. DAMN QRMers anyway...  >:(

73, Gene AF3Y

Congrats Gene! I'm usually in the log a day or two behind you. Yep, there was a fair amount of QRM tonight.

He's down in the noise now.. not strong enough to make an attempt. I'm gonna sit an listen a while in case his signal comes up. They're off the ends of my dipole so I probably have my work cut out for me on this one. They have a REALLY good cw op on their end.. he's got a very good rate. With good propagation and great operators hopefully the pileups will be whittled down a bit.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K9IUQ on January 18, 2016, 05:31:16 PM
I can't hear anybody.....and I am PISSED!!!!!!..... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(...........

V
K3NRX

Vinnie my friend, you say that about EVERY Dxexpedition.
 
 ;) :D :D :D :D :D  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Stan K9IUQ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 18, 2016, 05:52:14 PM
Yes Stosh....but this time it's particularly painful, as these are the last two I need for South America, and the conditions are deplorable.....I really wish I wasn't sleeping back in '02 when these were last on the air......If conditions don't improve soon, I am fooojed!!!....as was stated before, the vibe is not real positive right now.....

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 18, 2016, 06:04:37 PM
On 30 they are strong-ish with heavy QSB here. About S7 to S9 sometimes dipping to S3 t o S5.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KF7CSO on January 18, 2016, 06:16:20 PM
Got 'em on 20 cw a bit ago. Sheesh, this one was stressful for some reason. One island down, one to go.  :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N4OGW on January 18, 2016, 06:18:10 PM
One thing for sure- they need to ID more often.

Tor
N4OGW
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 18, 2016, 06:32:55 PM
I can't hear anybody.....and I am PISSED!!!!!!..... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(...........

V
K3NRX



you should try being at work in the middle of the day reading the yeah worked em comments for frustration :)

Hope to nab just 1 QSO ... thats all I need!

:)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 18, 2016, 06:40:31 PM
Just worked them on 30M CW so I'm happy :) Always nice to get them in the log at least once for the ATNO. but I sure didn't expect it to be 30 meters :)

John K7KB
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 06:43:17 PM
Nothing heard from S Sandwich atm. Too early for low bands, as it is early afternoon.

I'm hanging on the first log update for my 20 m QSO!

So, I just worked K5P, Again...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 18, 2016, 06:56:21 PM
Nothing heard from S Sandwich atm. Too early for low bands, as it is early afternoon.

I'm hanging on the first log update for my 20 m QSO!

So, I just worked K5P, Again...

sent u email Luke :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 18, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
Yes Stosh....but this time it's particularly painful, as these are the last two I need for South America, and the conditions are deplorable.....I really wish I wasn't sleeping back in '02 when these were last on the air......If conditions don't improve soon, I am fooojed!!!....as was stated before, the vibe is not real positive right now.....

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

V
K3NRX

Your not hearing them on 40m CW  :o
They are loud but the LID fest is completely off the chart!  I will wait this out and try later when things have calmed down.

73s
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 07:06:47 PM
Who else thinks we need more spots?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2016, 07:08:12 PM
I'd like a second opinion.  I thought I had a good Q, but now I'm not so sure.  Listen to the following clip.  Is it KJ4Z or KJ5Z?

https://clyp.it/aetagewc (https://clyp.it/aetagewc)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 18, 2016, 07:09:53 PM
Yes Stosh....but this time it's particularly painful, as these are the last two I need for South America, and the conditions are deplorable.....I really wish I wasn't sleeping back in '02 when these were last on the air......If conditions don't improve soon, I am fooojed!!!....as was stated before, the vibe is not real positive right now.....

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

V
K3NRX



Don't you think it's a little early to panic? :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2016, 07:19:03 PM
Just worked them on 30M CW so I'm happy :) Always nice to get them in the log at least once for the ATNO. but I sure didn't expect it to be 30 meters :)

John K7KB

Congrats John!  Same story here.  30m was my only opportunity.  The W6/W7 had the upper hand on 20m and I wasn't able to break the SSB pileup.  On 40m he wasn't moving my S meter.  Nothing heard on 15m or 17m despite many spots on the West Coast.  30m was the only band that moved my S meter :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AA6YQ on January 18, 2016, 07:20:01 PM
I'd like a second opinion.  I thought I had a good Q, but now I'm not so sure.  Listen to the following clip.  Is it KJ4Z or KJ5Z?

The first letter is an "A", so I'd say "no".
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 18, 2016, 07:22:52 PM
I'd like a second opinion.  I thought I had a good Q, but now I'm not so sure.  Listen to the following clip.  Is it KJ4Z or KJ5Z?

https://clyp.it/aetagewc (https://clyp.it/aetagewc)

AJ5Z IMHO
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2016, 07:29:21 PM
Haha, tough crowd.  I'm not doubting the KJ part, I trimmed off the part right before this where he sent KJ?  I guess I'll just have to wait and see.   :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 18, 2016, 07:50:34 PM
They are 599 on 40 but huge pileup and many on the wrong VFO.  Europe and NA both have propagation.


73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5UD on January 18, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Sounds like AJ5Z to me.

N5UD
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 18, 2016, 08:18:39 PM
Wow! I had doubts with a small station on the west coast, but 5 minutes to get Ssb and another 5 for cw, with 100 watts and a hex beam.  My hats off to you fellas.  Good show.  These pro's really are one fine example of how to pull off the impossible.
Thanks,
Frank KG6N
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2016, 08:32:12 PM
Wow! I had doubts with a small station on the west coast, but 5 minutes to get Ssb and another 5 for cw, with 100 watts and a hex beam.  My hats off to you fellas.  Good show.  These pro's really are one fine example of how to pull off the impossible.
Thanks,
Frank KG6N

Congrats Frank.  How loud was he in CA on 20m?  My local buddy has a six-element 20m monobander at 130' and he wasn't able to break the West Coast wall :D.  He finally did work them after the pileup has died down.  He worked them on four bands tonight however he reported weak signals across the board.  I think the mountain there is block the signal to my part of the country.  The West/East coasts seem to have no issues.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 09:13:01 PM
I just watched the VP8SSI video. What a nasty place! It reminded me of Mellish Reef, but cold!

I'm sitting here barely dressed, with aircon running, eating watermelon. There are a couple of large, fast-moving grass and scrub fires not far from here.

Hopefully I'll get a chance at one or two more QSO this evening. Nothing heard any band here from VP8STI (so I worked K5P again).

GL all,
Luke VK3HJ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 18, 2016, 09:22:43 PM
Thanks Jonathon!  On 20 Ssb around 5:20 local he was easy arm chair copy. Solid 58 or 59, On cw about 40 minutes later he was clear but maybe s3-4. 
A note for the hams who say they think they got em,  never give a signal report until your solid sure.  The signal report ends the qsi, if you didn't hear it PERFECT, send your call again, or a ?.  I never give the report until I'm sure, I'd lose too much sleep otherwise!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
Thanks Jonathon!  On 20 Ssb around 5:20 local he was easy arm chair copy. Solid 58 or 59, On cw about 40 minutes later he was clear but maybe s3-4. 
A note for the hams who say they think they got em,  never give a signal report until your solid sure.  The signal report ends the qsi, if you didn't hear it PERFECT, send your call again, or a ?.  I never give the report until I'm sure, I'd lose too much sleep otherwise!

Thanks.  He was not moving my S meter on 20m although I had Q5 copy without QRM.  I had hoped 20m would be an easy shot but that's truly not the case!  On 30m and 40m they are bouncing my S meter however it's a far cry from being strong...

The pileup on 40m is truly scary!

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 18, 2016, 09:50:51 PM
Got em on 40m cw!! Wow, what a pileup! I was in that massive swath of signals for a couple of hours tonight. It was real hard trying to find the guys he was working so that I could follow / try to get in. Sometimes when I needed a break I would park for a while if I found a somewhat quiet spot and call. I finally found his RX again and got em'. It took 2 or 3 tries for him to get my call correct but he got it. My 599 was a little messed up.. wrapped up in a blanket in the basement here.. got in the way of me sending it nice but it got out (It's bloody cold down here!). Now just for the log upload and I can rest easy. Good sigs on 40m and a nice long time of good propagation to eu / na. No need to call either or.. both were getting through equally. Fun times! I will officially post the ATNO zebra dance when I see my call in there :)

Dipole and 500w. The amp can now rest for a little bit. Crossing my fingers to be in the log update!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 18, 2016, 10:22:03 PM
gahhh

Kp4

that seriously gonna rain on the parade for this far south

:(

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 18, 2016, 10:22:31 PM
Thanks Jonathon!  On 20 Ssb around 5:20 local he was easy arm chair copy. Solid 58 or 59, On cw about 40 minutes later he was clear but maybe s3-4. 
A note for the hams who say they think they got em,  never give a signal report until your solid sure.  The signal report ends the qsi, if you didn't hear it PERFECT, send your call again, or a ?.  I never give the report until I'm sure, I'd lose too much sleep otherwise!

Thanks.  He was not moving my S meter on 20m although I had Q5 copy without QRM.  I had hoped 20m would be an easy shot but that's truly not the case!  On 30m and 40m they are bouncing my S meter however it's a far cry from being strong...

The pileup on 40m is truly scary!

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Yeah, it was scary. Just nabbed them on 40M and only by luck that someone wasn't jamming or using the wrong VFO at the time so I could easily hear the call. Most of the time it's just been a zoo.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2016, 10:28:17 PM
Yeah, it was scary. Just nabbed them on 40M and only by luck that someone wasn't jamming or using the wrong VFO at the time so I could easily hear the call. Most of the time it's just been a zoo.

Congrats.  His signal peaked up and then he left.  Sigh...  Two hours of calling wasted...  The pileup is non-stop even when the DX is transmitting.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 18, 2016, 10:34:00 PM


Yeah, it was scary. Just nabbed them on 40M and only by luck that someone wasn't jamming or using the wrong VFO at the time so I could easily hear the call. Most of the time it's just been a zoo.

Congrats on your QSO! Ugh..yeah wrong vfo / jamming / cops were out in full force tonight on 40m. Like you, they stopped long enough for me to get through.

Jonathon, they're back. Still a nice sig on 40m as I type this... I really hope this gets a lot of folks an ATNO!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5BO on January 18, 2016, 10:50:34 PM
30M Op working JA only now, but not saying JA only....instead constantly sending JA 5NN until he picks a JA call out.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2016, 11:08:55 PM
Still too early for 30 m here. I can see the pileup tho.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6DXO on January 18, 2016, 11:22:33 PM
Just worked them on 40M CW...loud sigs, great op and most of the lids had gone to bed.

GL de harry, W6DXO
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2016, 11:23:30 PM
That horrendous 40m pileup was hard to crack but I finally did it.  I found his QRG and moved up 200kc from the last guy and bingo!  That was three hours of calling on 40m and half hour of calling on 30m.  So far they are the loudest on 30m here in Colorado.  The 40m Op is still pounding out the Q's like a machine.

GL to all!

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 18, 2016, 11:24:58 PM
worked on 20 ssb first call woooohoooo! ATNO
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W2IRT on January 18, 2016, 11:40:20 PM
I was just finishing off the final day of a mini four day vacation when they went QRV. By the time I got back home 20m and up was closed for the night, and 30 was jam packed. I finally pulled out a QSO on 30 around 0330z and beat that awful pile on 40 CW a couple of hours later, so ATNO #334 is in the log, with a glass of celebratory Macallan 18 being savoured as I type this.

The P3 made a positively huge difference on 30; I found the QSX and got in that way. It was much harder on 40, and more blind luck than anything else. I have to say it's FAR too easy to mistakenly go out of split on the K3 and I'll have to take extra care--I made a few split errors again tonight (apologies to all). I really miss my old Mark V in terms of split operation, that's for sure. But the K3S kicks its butt in every other metric. Hoping for SSB and a few more bandfills tomorrow.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA2VUY on January 19, 2016, 12:07:02 AM
Tried around 0320z for an hour and gave up, too much qrm on his 7025 freq + it was EU SA and NA in the enormous pileup up.  Woke up at 0740z and to my surprise there were very very few callers. Worked one call. Crazy.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AB3CX on January 19, 2016, 01:12:40 AM
I decided to spend the whole night up trying. Between 0000 and 0400Z, no luck, so I took a nap until 0745.  In rapid succession worked them on 40CW, 20 SSB, and then 20 and 30 CW about an hour later. I think this is going to be a much joy for all expedition!  Heard Pete W2IRT make his 20M CW QSO.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2SR on January 19, 2016, 03:01:12 AM
Easily worked on 15 ssb about 4 pm EST local yesterday.   

Opted to work K5P on 80 this morning.   ;D

Now to concentrate on VP8. 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 19, 2016, 03:16:47 AM
I can't hear anybody.....and I am PISSED!!!!!!..... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(...........

V
K3NRX



you should try being at work in the middle of the day reading the yeah worked em comments for frustration :)

Hope to nab just 1 QSO ... thats all I need!

:)

Yep....I feel that pain, having to go to WORK SUCKS EGGS!!!....and to add insult to injury, it's only 5 GD degrees outside!!!!....AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(. >:(....

V
K3NRX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4HB on January 19, 2016, 03:22:28 AM
Your not hearing them on 40m CW  :o
They are loud but the LID fest is completely off the chart!  I will wait this out and try later when things have calmed down.

Wasn't it terrible? Perhaps as this progresses on they won't take up so much bandwidth and the DQRM will die down. There's idiots out there who will QRM no matter what. But I believe last night there were some disgruntled ops in there who were pissed about the bandwidth being used. They may be thinning out the herd with a wide split, but some folks ain't gonna be happy about it.

I doubt all that calling on their frequency was just ops forgetting to push their split button. QRMers will either make up a call or pirate someone's call just to make the cops go ballistic. I've heard them pull calls out of the pile to pirate and call on the DX's frequency.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 19, 2016, 03:24:21 AM
Yes Stosh....but this time it's particularly painful, as these are the last two I need for South America, and the conditions are deplorable.....I really wish I wasn't sleeping back in '02 when these were last on the air......If conditions don't improve soon, I am fooojed!!!....as was stated before, the vibe is not real positive right now.....

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

V
K3NRX


Don't you think it's a little early to panic? :)


NO....conditions SUCK...I can't hear them, except for flickers on 40 cw......I have to go to WORK....I can't sit in front of a radio all day and all night long....and I have an aging parent in the hospital.......Look, I realize that you people don't want to hear sob stories, but you did ask, and I am just laying it out for ya......this **** could not come at a worse time....I put money into getting my amp fixed for THIS dxepedtion, and this is what I am dealt????.....so again, to answer your question, with them being on one island for 10 days, and another for 10, and the effing lidfests that will ensue, NO it is not too early to panic.......and I am still PISSED!!!!!.....

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 19, 2016, 04:11:34 AM
I was out all evening at a meeting, so missed the best opportunity for 30 and 40 m.

Listening all frequencies spotted, he was only barely detectable on 20 phone. Not worth calling.

I did the rounds again, and heard him faintly, faintly calling CQ on 20 phone with no callers. Darn! Still not strong enough to call.

After a minute or so, he popped up out of the noise loud enough to copy properly, and I found he was working simplex. One call and in the log, for my "insurance" QSO and second mode! He then faded into the noise again after working a few more VKs.

So that's definitely #321 for me!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3STX on January 19, 2016, 04:26:03 AM
I need this for an ATNO, but these pileups are too much for a guy with 400 watts and a dipole who KNOWS things will thin out in a few days. Signals on 30 and 40 to the East coast during out evenings are fine (certainly not loud), but have not heard them on 20 yet (Prop chart says 20 is my best bet). I don't remember the Peter I pileups being this big. But it sounds like fun for those who DO get through.

One thing I noticed on 30, the op was sending callsigns at 35+ wpm, but with all the QSB/flutter had to make many repeats calls; guys up here were not copying the VP8 at that speed. I bet if he slowed to 30 wpm his rate would be much better.

paul
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 19, 2016, 04:38:35 AM
These pileups are pretty big.  I tried for a bit on 17, but had to stop.  This is not an ATNO for me, so I'm sitting it out for a bit. They had a good sig on 40 last night, but that is one the bands I have VP8SSI from '92.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 19, 2016, 04:43:30 AM
35+ wpm ain't gonna sound too good over the Pole.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N1UK on January 19, 2016, 04:47:44 AM
These speeds are pushing it for me. K5P at high speed on160m is stretching it too.


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 19, 2016, 04:58:38 AM
I'm fine with any speed over a clean path.

But the auroral region really messes up fast CW. Multipath propagation also destroys readability.

I am bit surprised at the speed the K5P op is using on 160 m too. But he's very good copy here with a strong signal on a quiet band.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2016, 05:13:00 AM
Tried around 0320z for an hour and gave up, too much qrm on his 7025 freq + it was EU SA and NA in the enormous pileup up.  Woke up at 0740z and to my surprise there were very very few callers. Worked one call. Crazy.

I've found that before. In the wee hours of the night if there is propagation, often there are fewer callers with a very manageable pileup. I've worked many a dxpedition like that. I worked K1N on their first night at a similar hour.. & that was with only 100w and a dipole (my amp was temporarily out of commission for the entire duration..)

I need this for an ATNO, but these pileups are too much for a guy with 400 watts and a dipole who KNOWS things will thin out in a few days. Signals on 30 and 40 to the East coast during out evenings are fine (certainly not loud), but have not heard them on 20 yet (Prop chart says 20 is my best bet). I don't remember the Peter I pileups being this big. But it sounds like fun for those who DO get through.

One thing I noticed on 30, the op was sending callsigns at 35+ wpm, but with all the QSB/flutter had to make many repeats calls; guys up here were not copying the VP8 at that speed. I bet if he slowed to 30 wpm his rate would be much better.

paul

While very frustrating at times.. I like the challenge of being someone with a dipole & making it through a pileup in the first day or so. It's fun to jump head first into that mess! If they stay on these bands, these pileups on 30/40 will die down in a couple of days as there is a good and long propagation window to both eu and na.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N3QE on January 19, 2016, 05:26:50 AM
I'm fine with any speed over a clean path.

But the auroral region really messes up fast CW. Multipath propagation also destroys readability.

Of course it doesn't really have to go over the pole to get to me, but there were some interesting effects for me.

Here in NA, their 17M signal yesterday afternoon was taking very deep QSB dives and I think the higher speed CW helped them get a callsign across before a whole QSB cycle.

Here in NA their 30M and 40M signals were afflicted by flutter for a few hours after sunset.

But in the dead of the night 40M cleared up very nicely and could've supported 40WPM if they had gone there. By that point they had slowed down their WPM.

Also very nice, almost all the kc cops had gone to bed by the dead of the night. I think between K5P and VP8STI being active on multiple bands simultaneously (sometimes two modes same band) that the kc cops are getting worn out.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2016, 06:07:30 AM
LP, SP, skew path, doesn't matter.

Their signal has been very weak to non-existent here.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2016, 06:27:59 AM
LP, SP, skew path, doesn't matter.

Their signal has been very weak to non-existent here.

Thanks for the report from Texas.  The same deal here.  20m and 17m are workable but not moving my S meter.  30m and 40m are moving my S meter but a far cry from being strong, with 30m being the stronger of the two.  Nothing on 15m.  I had thought 20m would give me an easy shot but that's clearly not the case on day 1.  Please provide us with what you hear on the 2nd day.  Thanks Tom.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 19, 2016, 06:31:32 AM
LP, SP, skew path, doesn't matter.

Their signal has been very weak to non-existent here.

Likewise.  I'm worried that the big elevation is putting a big null lobe in the central US as both coasts seem okay.  And based on the pics I don't think anyone on the crew will be hiking up to the top to put in another antenna like they did on Malpelo.  :)

We'll see what this afternoon brings.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WO7R on January 19, 2016, 06:45:02 AM
I've had no trouble hearing them on the bands I've tried.

Some locals, however, only a few 10s of miles away from me are reporting difficulty.  I do have a nice Yagi at 65 feet, though for 30 I have only a dipole at 40 feet or so and heard well on that.

Given similar complaints about K5P, maybe the sunspots have turned down enough to make things tougher.

I remember working VP8SSI on 40m with a really crappy vertical (I was very green back then, this was circa 1992).  Signals were weak that time, too, and it was about comparable in the sunspot cycle.  That was all I got for that one.

I'd suggest looking at what you can do on 17, 20, 30, and 40 if you're struggling.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2016, 06:53:20 AM
I'm worried that the big elevation is putting a big null lobe in the central US as both coasts seem okay.

I think that's the logical explanation.  Yesterday I was listening to K5P on 12m SSB.  In the pileup I kept hearing VP8LP.  At first I had thought Bob was trying to work K5P.  Upon further investigation Bob was running his own pileup just 3kc above K5P :D

Weak signal, huge pileups, LIDS/DQRM, 45wpm CW, and no log updates.  What more could you ask for ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N8XI on January 19, 2016, 07:01:19 AM
LP, SP, skew path, doesn't matter.

Their signal has been very weak to non-existent here.

Likewise.  I'm worried that the big elevation is putting a big null lobe in the central US as both coasts seem okay.  And based on the pics I don't think anyone on the crew will be hiking up to the top to put in another antenna like they did on Malpelo.  :)

We'll see what this afternoon brings.

Yep in Michigan and not a peep outta VP8STI (ATNO) with a tribander at 30 feet
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 19, 2016, 07:08:50 AM
LP, SP, skew path, doesn't matter.
Their signal has been very weak to non-existent here.
The same here in STX?

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5PS on January 19, 2016, 07:10:27 AM
NIL here in NE Texas except for 30m, though with lots of flutter.

Unsurprisingly the zero-day pileups were massive. I just hope they limit themselves to a few band/mode combos. If they do then I should have a chance to get through eventually.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2016, 07:30:21 AM
I'm worried that the big elevation is putting a big null lobe in the central US as both coasts seem okay.

I think that's the logical explanation.

I'm not complaining, just making observations. Glad  the team went, hope everyone has a safe trip, and I got 1 esp qso on 17m cw yesterday. May be my turn for the short end of the stick.  :)

I worked VP8DOZ on S. Georgia 17m ssb in March last year. He was running 100w and a GP, also with a mountain in the way this direction. Very weak, but made it.

I had hopes that better antennas and mo power would spell better signals from this group. Conditions were a bit better last March, but not by much.

It is still early, hopefully it will improve. That general area is usually not a problem to work.



We'll see what this afternoon brings.

It was after 18:00z before I heard them anywhere well enough to call. 17m was around 20:30z.

Good luck.

73, Tom
N5MOA
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3BL on January 19, 2016, 07:30:32 AM
Well I haven't even heard them yet, and the next two days I'm at the Australian open.

Might be the first one I miss out in a while... cross your fingers for me guys!  And best luck to everyone, of course!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 19, 2016, 07:42:29 AM

Weak signal, huge pileups, LIDS/DQRM, 45wpm CW, and no log updates.  What more could you ask for ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I also wish they'd post an online log. It's to their benefit because some will keep working them over and over until they see their QSO is good in the online log.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 19, 2016, 08:04:32 AM
Agreed. Online logs cut down on insurance QSOs.

Then again the online logs, especially leaderboards encourage the DX hogs who must fill in every greenie.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 19, 2016, 08:30:56 AM
Got lucky and worked  VP8 on 30 meters last night. Went over to 40 meter CW, and the Zoo was beyond belief.  I think that was the biggest pig pile I have heard on any band, save for when Peter I showed up back in the 90's on 20 meters!!! 

Not hearing them on the upper HF bands this morning... I am surprised they don't have an online log, cost of the satellite link from that far in the antarctic regions a factor?

Pete
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA2VUY on January 19, 2016, 08:41:45 AM
Btw, conditions on 40m last night to the south were tremendous,  about the best I've heard. CE8, CA7, LU1ZI (S. SHETLAND I believe ) and RI all had good signals here in NNJ.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 19, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Col's replied here since they've been on site, I'm betting they're putting out other fires.  I'm sure it'll come up today, these huys are pretty sharp on this one.
Frank KG6N
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 19, 2016, 09:12:29 AM
Btw, conditions on 40m last night to the south were tremendous,  about the best I've heard. CE8, CA7, LU1ZI (S. SHETLAND I believe ) and RI all had good signals here in NNJ.

VP8STI is getting 16 hours of daylight.  Does it help that it's the Southern Hemisphere's summer?  Last summer those of us in NA were complaining because the bands were virtually dead so it didn't seem to help us.  Anybody remember that far back?  ;)

I recall during the winter of 2011, I had just returned to the hobby and I believe the SFI was about where it's at now, and not too long after sunset the only stations coming in on 20 meters were those from Antarctica and Southern LU and CE.  Very selective propagation.

73,

Chris  NU1O



Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 19, 2016, 09:15:40 AM
I'm worried that the big elevation is putting a big null lobe in the central US as both coasts seem okay.

I think that's the logical explanation.  Yesterday I was listening to K5P on 12m SSB.  In the pileup I kept hearing VP8LP.  At first I had thought Bob was trying to work K5P.  Upon further investigation Bob was running his own pileup just 3kc above K5P :D

Weak signal, huge pileups, LIDS/DQRM, 45wpm CW, and no log updates.  What more could you ask for ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Yeah, but what fun would it be if everything was easy :D

John K7KB
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WO7R on January 19, 2016, 09:25:36 AM
Quote
I also wish they'd post an online log. It's to their benefit because some will keep working them over and over until they see their QSO is good in the online log.

I know what you mean.  It's taking all my stamina to keep from making an insurance QSO on 12m at least.

I think we may be in for some interesting times on this.  I was reliably told that as far south as they are, there could be problems just plain making the planned access work.  They are a long ways from everything, including satellites.  They have the facilities planned or course, but propagation questions are not just a question for HF.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6DXO on January 19, 2016, 09:50:36 AM
My Q on 30M was a total knife fight especially with all the Kops and the lids who didn't seem to understand what "up" means in a CW pile-up.  You all know what I mean.

I thought I had a good exchange but wasn't sure so I slogged through the pile a second time and finally got a solid contact about an hour later.

40M was crazy, but by 07:30 UTC signals were very strong and the lids had left.  That Q took less than 10 minutes to log.  I admit that the 40M ops slower CW speed did make things much easier.

GL de harry, W6DXO

















Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 19, 2016, 09:56:14 AM
The theory that they are putting out other fires seems plausible. This is not an easy operation at all. One of the harshest places on Earth and one team member already fell overboard along with a generator (which doesn't matter as much as the team member). Could have ended a lot, lot worse.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 19, 2016, 10:20:34 AM
After seeing the previous expeditions stories and videos, yeah.  Its one of those entities where I'd be fine if they sat on one frequency and just went for uniques.  We don't need a hurt or dead ham for a hobby.  With the greenie chasers, fun is fun, but remember, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N3QE on January 19, 2016, 10:21:45 AM
40M was crazy, but by 07:30 UTC signals were very strong and the lids had left.  That Q took less than 10 minutes to log.  I admit that the 40M ops slower CW speed did make things much easier.

Agree 100% - after EU sunrise and all the kc cops have gone to bed, it was a lot better. I am amazed that I (believe I made) / have 3 QSO's with the #3 most wanted entity in the first day.

Tim.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5RDW on January 19, 2016, 10:24:56 AM
Agreed. Online logs cut down on insurance QSOs.
......

All I want is my 30M Q to show up. And then I sit on the sidelines waiting for an 80 meter opening! ;D

Hopefully they will upload today. My 30M was on the first day.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WB2WIK on January 19, 2016, 10:40:26 AM
I worked them with literally ONE call yesterday about 0100 UTC on 20m, 14.023 QSX 14.025.3.

I did "tail end" their last contact (a VA7) who I heard very well, and I'm sure that helped.

However I don't see the contact in ClubLog.  Actually, it looks like (last I checked) there weren't any QSOs at all uploaded yet.

Heard them quite well (maybe S3-S4 but surely workable) on 30m, but a few noble hams took it upon themselves to tune up for several minutes at a time, call them on their working frequency, and screw around so actually hearing them "well" wasn't possible.  Also heard them on 15PH but they had a big pileup and I didn't wait.

Will try more in coming days, but hope they do upload their log...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 19, 2016, 11:04:07 AM
40M was crazy, but by 07:30 UTC signals were very strong and the lids had left.  That Q took less than 10 minutes to log.  I admit that the 40M ops slower CW speed did make things much easier.

Agree 100% - after EU sunrise and all the kc cops have gone to bed, it was a lot better. I am amazed that I (believe I made) / have 3 QSO's with the #3 most wanted entity in the first day.

Tim.

I've got the same surprise, with a hexbeam at 25' and 100 watts?  I sure was happily surprised to not have a longer fight!
Frank KG6N
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 19, 2016, 11:33:59 AM
First pictures!

http://www.dx-world.net/vp8sti-vp8sgi-south-sandwich-and-south-georgia/
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2016, 11:38:07 AM
Nice photos.  Hopefully this means the log won't be far behind.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 19, 2016, 11:44:31 AM
We will make every effort to upload our logs to Clublog each day. We expect to have challenges in doing so as at 59 degrees South, Southern Thule Island is outside of the Inmarsat BGAN coverage footprint.

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,106922.msg892009.html#msg892009 (http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,106922.msg892009.html#msg892009)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 19, 2016, 11:47:00 AM
Hope those tents are stronger than they look :o
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 19, 2016, 11:48:08 AM
May I whine?

How about the darn LOG instead of pictures???????? :(

I really don't want to have to fight that fight again, if possible. One Q will be enough for me.

The one pic of that solitary  penguin is pretty cool tho.... Looks like he is pissed cause he
could not break the pile! ;D

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 19, 2016, 11:53:38 AM
We will make every effort to upload our logs to Clublog each day. We expect to have challenges in doing so as at 59 degrees South, Southern Thule Island is outside of the Inmarsat BGAN coverage footprint.

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,106922.msg892009.html#msg892009 (http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,106922.msg892009.html#msg892009)

Someone is sending pics - they have a connection somewhere :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2016, 11:53:49 AM
We will make every effort to upload our logs to Clublog each day. We expect to have challenges in doing so as at 59 degrees South, Southern Thule Island is outside of the Inmarsat BGAN coverage footprint.

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,106922.msg892009.html#msg892009 (http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,106922.msg892009.html#msg892009)

I was told they also have Iridium.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5GS on January 19, 2016, 11:58:06 AM
We will make every effort to upload our logs to Clublog each day. We expect to have challenges in doing so as at 59 degrees South, Southern Thule Island is outside of the Inmarsat BGAN coverage footprint.

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,106922.msg892009.html#msg892009 (http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,106922.msg892009.html#msg892009)

Paul and I had several discussions about their location relative to BGAN coverage.

http://www.g-layer.com.au/bgan-coverage-map/

Look at the intersection of the blue and green lines at the south end.   While BGAN coverage is to 71 south, they are in the white area that's just on the edge of coverage.

They have a Hughes 9100 BGAN terminal.  They may also have Iridium, but when I investigated that service the data speeds were poor and the price quite high, maybe something has changed?  Maybe we'll have to work this one the good old fashioned way  ;)

They will do their best to find the satellite.

Cheers,
GS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 19, 2016, 12:04:00 PM
You KNOW that the absence of an on-line log breeds BULLY LIDS?, Right?

 :o

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 19, 2016, 12:27:56 PM
You KNOW that the absence of an on-line log breeds BULLY LIDS?, Right?

 :o

73, Gene AF3Y

I don't think the absence of online logs makes much difference in the Lid ratio Gene. Plenty of lids to go around either way :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 19, 2016, 12:31:57 PM
LOG is On Line NOW.  9637 QSOs in the log.

My 30m Q is good, so You guys have at it tonite.... I will watch JAG reruns.. hi hi

GL/73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 19, 2016, 12:35:48 PM
You KNOW that the absence of an on-line log breeds BULLY LIDS?, Right?

 :o

73, Gene AF3Y

I don't think the absence of online logs makes much difference in the Lid ratio Gene. Plenty of lids to go around either way :)

Yeah, I suppose you are correct.  Perhaps I was just speaking for myself.....

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2016, 12:36:25 PM
I'd like a second opinion.  I thought I had a good Q, but now I'm not so sure.  Listen to the following clip.  Is it KJ4Z or KJ5Z?

The first letter is an "A", so I'd say "no".


Boom!  In the log for 20, and for 40 too.  Guess he heard me OK after all.  ATNO #300.   ;D

(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp30/k0yq/zebra_zpsolaagrsw.gif)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 19, 2016, 12:42:21 PM
YAY!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5RDW on January 19, 2016, 12:47:45 PM
In the log on 30m also! I quits (for awhile....... 8) )

I am a happy camper! That's no. 321.... ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ3N on January 19, 2016, 12:48:35 PM
Worked @ 20:44 on 17m SSB. Now to wait for a more recent Club Log upload...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 19, 2016, 12:50:07 PM
In the log on 30m also! I quits (for awhile....... 8) )

I am a happy camper! That's no. 321.... ;D

Ditto - logged - awesome!  Phew!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2016, 12:51:12 PM
In the log for 40cw!!! BAM!!

And now... the official zebra ATNO dance  ;D

(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp30/k0yq/zebra_zpsolaagrsw.gif)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 19, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
Yay!! Both my 30 and 40 meter contacts were OK in the log. Phew :) So this DX'er is doing his happy dance for the ATNO!

(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp30/k0yq/zebra_zpsolaagrsw.gif)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 19, 2016, 01:07:17 PM
Just spent 2 hours reorienting in the 30-80m dipole. Hopefully time well-spent.  :-\
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 19, 2016, 01:50:49 PM
Just worked them on 17M SSB with one call. My home brewed 17M Moxon up 35' is a great antenna.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2016, 01:55:09 PM
I helped my friend put a 3el tri-bander on top of their machine shop in the fall and I'll be hanging out with him after work tonight.. I'm curious to see how it will perform (he has his General class.. he wants to learn more about dxing beyond psk-31 and jt-65). We'll be listening for them tonight I'm sure.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 19, 2016, 02:00:07 PM
3E tribander and 17m dipole up 40' and not a syllable/note/diddle on 20, 17 or 15 so far yet today in Colorado.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2016, 02:10:34 PM
In the noise on 17m ssb

519 on 20m cw.

zip everywhere else the are/were spotted.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
I just saw NU1O work them on 15m RTTY.  Congrats.

ps upon further investigation perhaps someone is pirating Chris' call?

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0RS on January 19, 2016, 02:58:47 PM
Signals here have been abysmal.  Interestingly enough, they were actually louder on long path on 20 for awhile this afternoon.  This tells me the siting of the station is not good, at least of the central part of the USA.  I could hear them with the beam NW, but not well enough to compete against stations with a geographical advantage calling short path.  A couple of hours later SP began to dominate and the signal faded on LP.  This DXpedition shouldn't be a difficult path from here, barely more difficult than South America.  EU seems to be hearing them around the clock.  Getting a handle on propagation for this one is more like trying to work the Indian Ocean rather than Antarctic South America.

Finally a couple of Qs this afternoon, one on 17m and one on 20.  CW both.  When I finally got thru on 20 it was SP.  

They were loud enough to work last night on 30m, but it was an EU benefit.  As one other poster noted, the op didn't specify a geographic area, he just didn't answer anyone else.  It's hard to see how this helps the op in the pileup.  If he wants to work EU, that's fine, but he should say so.  At least some of the callers in other areas might standby.  If the DX op doesn't specify, everyone just keeps calling.

It's early in the expedition to draw any general conclusions, but one thing's for sure: The hyper-speed CW isn't very productive.  The sending was so fast last night on 30m that many EUs, especially those with longer calls, couldn't even recognize their own callsigns.  I heard the VP8 op call stations two, three, four, or even more times before getting a response.  That sure didn't speed up the pileup.  Seemed to be more of an ego trip for the op than useful a pileup tactic.

There's some real talent on this team.  It will be interesting to see how the expedition shapes up.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2016, 03:14:47 PM
I don't know if the high-speed CW was "productive," but I thought it was a pleasure to listen to.  I wish I heard it more in DXpeditions.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 19, 2016, 03:16:52 PM
They're loud 20CW now.  I'm relieved.  Working JAs.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2016, 03:21:28 PM
They're loud 20CW now.  I'm relieved.  Working JAs.

I had suggested that they put the 1.3kw amp. on the 20m station.  Maybe my prayer was answered :)  To bad I have to leave the house.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2016, 03:24:10 PM
Still no joy on 20m cw, although he has finally come up to a 579. No copy on the 20m ssb op.

Tuner uppers, cops, idiots, constant callers and now calling for JA.

Had a faint letter here and there trace on 15m RTTY for a few minutes earlier.

17m ssb just out of the noise. He is working JA also.

I didn't bother to check the 80-40m spots yet.



Signals here have been abysmal.    This tells me the siting of the station is not good, at least of the central part of the USA.

No argument from me on that observation. Congrats on the qsos.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0RS on January 19, 2016, 03:36:00 PM
I don't know if the high-speed CW was "productive," but I thought it was a pleasure to listen to.  I wish I heard it more in DXpeditions.

I agree, nice to listen to.  And fine for those that can deal with it.  But when you have limited time to activate a rare entity, the emphasis should be on productivity, not entertainment value.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N8XI on January 19, 2016, 03:37:07 PM
FINALLY!!!!!!

2320Z--- 20M CW (ATNO).

I hear them on 40M CW now. They must have raised their antennas.
Cuz my antenna is still at 32 feet :)

GL gang

73, Rick - N8XI
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 19, 2016, 04:10:53 PM
Long Path, Short Path, raise the antenna, lower the antenna, longer boom, more elements,computer model,  etc etc.  Seems like a lot of trouble(lots of $$ too) that does not always produce intended or improved results.

I cant help but smile every time I log another ATNO with this old $39.95 wire in fiberglass vertical. (#324 with South Sandwich yesterday)

Not intended as a brag, but it amazes me what a simple 31' wire and a good tuner can do.

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0AP on January 19, 2016, 05:17:09 PM
Long Path, Short Path, raise the antenna, lower the antenna, longer boom, more elements,computer model,  etc etc.  Seems like a lot of trouble(lots of $$ too) that does not always produce intended or improved results.

I cant help but smile every time I log another ATNO with this old $39.95 wire in fiberglass vertical. (#324 with South Sandwich yesterday)

Not intended as a brag, but it amazes me what a simple 31' wire and a good tuner can do.

73, Gene AF3Y

But you will be even more amazed to see what that 31' wire can't do.  ;D
Just kidding. Congratulations on your ATNO #324. I also worked them on 20m CW for my ATNO #326.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2016, 05:24:05 PM
I don't know if the high-speed CW was "productive," but I thought it was a pleasure to listen to.  I wish I heard it more in DXpeditions.

I agree, nice to listen to.  And fine for those that can deal with it.  But when you have limited time to activate a rare entity, the emphasis should be on productivity, not entertainment value.

Funny, I thought this was all about entertainment value.  If not, what else?   ;D

I don't want to deny anybody their ATNO.  I agree, they need to go slower.  But a fella can enjoy the show if it's offered.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2016, 05:33:37 PM
What a bunch of.........morons on 30m RTTY.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0RS on January 19, 2016, 05:38:34 PM
Funny, I thought this was all about entertainment value.  If not, what else?

Of course, if you want to carry it to an existential level.  As a practical matter however, if you ask a DXer "Why do you go on an expedition," it would be a rare one to not answer "To work as many stations as possible."  After all, that's why we contribute our hard earned dollars...so expeditions can make many, many QSOs, hoping that our call will be one that they log.  Making QSOs is the entertainment, granted.  To make lots of QSOs presumes not doing something counter-productive.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WS3N on January 19, 2016, 05:48:46 PM
What a bunch of.........morons on 30m RTTY.

I just looked at the QRZ pages of 3 guys who were transmitting on top of the DX over the last few minutes. One guy has a long bio, says he was licensed in '63. The next guy also has a big bio, talks about alll the countries he's operated in over the years. The third guy has no bio, only a link to Club Log that shows 337 worked, 331 confirmed.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 19, 2016, 05:54:14 PM
I just saw NU1O work them on 15m RTTY.  Congrats.

ps upon further investigation perhaps someone is pirating Chris' call?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jon, that was really me.  Seeing as it maybe a very long time before they are activated again I thought I'd better work them on RTTY.  I'm not a big fan of digital modes now, but that may change someday.  It was the same as you working Antipodes Island even though you currently aren't into IOTA.

Now I need to work K5P using RTTY.  I should've did so earlier in the week.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Somebody did pirate my call on the cluster yesterday but it wasn't obscene or anything like that.


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2016, 06:28:18 PM
Congrats to everyone who has worked them, very weak for me here, but I do copy them on 30m RTTY, too bad its a lid fest and he is mostly working EU.
It's going to be a long night.
Haven't worked them yet.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5BO on January 19, 2016, 06:44:14 PM
Congrats to everyone who has worked them, very weak for me here, but I do copy them on 30m RTTY, too bad its a lid fest and he is mostly working EU.
It's going to be a long night.
Haven't worked them yet.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

Late last night seemed to be pretty good for NA on 30M, seemed like a decent amount of guys out west were working them also.  Early on it was pretty tough with both NA and EU having decent prop to VP8.  The OP started working JA's during the JA SS, but after that is was almost only NA stations making it in the log around 0745z for awhile until they moved off to another band.  Their signal was also pretty good during this period.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 19, 2016, 06:53:36 PM
My CW QSO on 20 m, seven minutes into the action, as well as 20 m phone last night are good in the log. Their signals are very weak or non-existent, but they seem to hear well.

Not heard any other bands yet.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2016, 06:55:50 PM
Thanks for the info, I just really would like just one QSO and that being on RTTY.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 19, 2016, 07:29:49 PM
Man, shocked.  First call from NorCal with 100 w and a he beam on 17 Ssb!  I almost feel guilty.
Frank KG6N
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3STX on January 19, 2016, 07:52:24 PM
Success on 40 CW with dipole/400 watts at about 0330Z. They were working lots of Eu and also NA in a 10 kc pile. I was transmitting like a chicken with its head cut off (could not find listening frequency) and then heard him work a 9A station, found him, and then BAM.

And I had already set the alarm for 0800Z too, so now I turn off alarm and get good night sleep with #327 current done.

paul
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2016, 08:36:00 PM
Good to see a few got a new one.

Still banging my head int.........err, still in the 30m RTTY pileup. Took a couple of sanity breaks, didn't help.

Never knew the band was open to JA this time of night before.

NA/SA/EU/JA/AF in the pile. YEAH.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 19, 2016, 08:38:50 PM
I don't know if the high-speed CW was "productive," but I thought it was a pleasure to listen to.  I wish I heard it more in DXpeditions.

I agree, nice to listen to.  And fine for those that can deal with it.  But when you have limited time to activate a rare entity, the emphasis should be on productivity, not entertainment value.

and pretty useless on a polar path wher flutter is chopping the signal

It does not always lead to faster rates if you have to keep repeating

I'd prefer a nice steady rate of 26-28wpm

less in poor conditions!

20 SSB last night I could barely hear him through the flutter - CW might have better but def slower speeds!

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 19, 2016, 08:40:43 PM
Good copy 30M RTTY, but he can not hear me?

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2016, 08:42:15 PM
I helped my friend put a 3el tri-bander on top of their machine shop in the fall and I'll be hanging out with him after work tonight.. I'm curious to see how it will perform (he has his General class.. he wants to learn more about dxing beyond psk-31 and jt-65). We'll be listening for them tonight I'm sure.

My friend's beam is working pretty well, I could hear them on 20cw no problem. It's only up about 30ft on top of a commercial building. He didn't have a set of paddles there (he's got a set at home and is still working on learning cw) so I just listened for a while. Definitely a nice 559 and well above the noise. I'm sure it would have been far quieter on my dipole. It is tempting to put a tower up.. I have a nice 50 footer in the back yard..  ::)

I can hear them on 80 now.. way down in the noise. 30 rtty I can't quite make a print. I'll probably get up at 0700ish utc and see how sigs are as some folks mentioned their sigs came up at that hour. I'm glad I do have my 40 cw in the log though!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL1BBW on January 19, 2016, 08:46:17 PM
I don't know if the high-speed CW was "productive," but I thought it was a pleasure to listen to.  I wish I heard it more in DXpeditions.

I agree, nice to listen to.  And fine for those that can deal with it.  But when you have limited time to activate a rare entity, the emphasis should be on productivity, not entertainment value.

and pretty useless on a polar path wher flutter is chopping the signal

It does not always lead to faster rates if you have to keep repeating

I'd prefer a nice steady rate of 26-28wpm

less in poor conditions!

20 SSB last night I could barely hear him through the flutter - CW might have better but def slower speeds!



Just hear them buried in the noise on 20 an hour ago, then a VK opened up on CW just below them, that was the end.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 19, 2016, 08:47:57 PM
Not much entertainment value from this one here!

No signal heard most bands and little signal heard occasionally on some. But I expected that.

Not like K5P which has been strong and easy to work all bands.

I will be in this evening to try and catch them on 30 m and maybe 40 m. There is not enough darkness for any chance on 80 and 160 m.

Yes, Simon. That was our mate EEE on 20 m just below VP8STI's spotted QRG.

But, I do have #321 with this one, which makes me as happy as, um, a zebra?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2016, 09:08:27 PM
Finally bagged them on 30m RTTY.  I already have a 30m CW contact but since I don't hear anything on 15m I have to work them on RTTY on either 20m or 30m.  I'm surprised to see them on RTTY this early but I'll take it.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2016, 09:15:34 PM
I do copy them on 30m RTTY, too bad its a lid fest and he is mostly working EU.
It's going to be a long night.
Haven't worked them yet.

If it is any consolation (probably not), you're loud in Texas.  :P

back to the pile.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: OH1HAQ on January 19, 2016, 09:25:28 PM
Let me do this for once :)

Worked with 40m delta-loop and 600W, 539 signal.

(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp30/k0yq/zebra_zpsolaagrsw.gif)

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 19, 2016, 09:39:54 PM
Let me do this for once :)

Worked with 40m delta-loop and 600W, 539 signal.

Every dog has his day!  ;)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2016, 09:54:53 PM
Let me do this for once :)

Worked with 40m delta-loop and 600W, 539 signal.


Congratulations!!  ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2016, 10:02:50 PM
Congrats to those who worked them for an ATNO.

Disgusting pileup on 80m.  When the DX Op sends a signal report fifteen guys all call at the same time.  The Op had to resend the report 3-5 times.  The same thing happened on 30m RTTY.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: OH1HAQ on January 19, 2016, 10:04:22 PM
Thanks guys. This feels like magic. There is still the log update waiting game, but I've got a recording to prove  ;D

Hopefully this would open the Palmyra gates too...

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2016, 10:40:49 PM
Congrats to those who worked them for an ATNO.

Disgusting pileup on 80m.  When the DX Op sends a signal report fifteen guys all call at the same time.  The Op had to resend the report 3-5 times.  The same thing happened on 30m RTTY.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Ditto on the congrats.

Never had enough copy on 80m to call but once or twice. I finally lost what little prop I had on 30m, just a letter here and there.

Gonna have to re-configure some wire tomorrow and try again.

73, Tom
N5MOA
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 20, 2016, 01:40:47 AM
Not wanting to sound like a wet blanket, but this one has been really bad for me.
Signals on the upper bands when they do exist have been unaudible for me and on the lower bands they are weak but somewhat readable, but only if I was a really good CW OP like most of you.   Between the polar flutter and the numerous lids it's been a nightmare, but the hardest part is that the OP's are transmitting so fast into the flutter that it makes it almost impossible for me to keep up. Unless they slow down a bit and the madness dies down I think this one is going to be a missed ATNO for me.

73s
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 20, 2016, 02:36:46 AM
Let me do this for once :)

Worked with 40m delta-loop and 600W, 539 signal.



Congrats and Finn Business indeed!  :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 20, 2016, 02:55:34 AM
Not wanting to sound like a wet blanket, but this one has been really bad for me.
Signals on the upper bands when they do exist have been unaudible for me and on the lower bands they are weak but somewhat readable, but only if I was a really good CW OP like most of you.   Between the polar flutter and the numerous lids it's been a nightmare, but the hardest part is that the OP's are transmitting so fast into the flutter that it makes it almost impossible for me to keep up. Unless they slow down a bit and the madness dies down I think this one is going to be a missed ATNO for me.

73s
Rob

You go right ahead and sound like that "wet blanket".....as someone who is in that wet blanket camp, I am pretty much in full agreement with most everything you said...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(......and I am still bloody effing PISSED!!!!!...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(.....CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS!!!!!....... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P............

V
K3NRX

P.S. I would really like to hear from some people in the same boat.....those being the ones who can't hear them, or are barely getting a whimper who have not worked them......as you know, misery loves company.....let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 20, 2016, 03:09:52 AM

The one pic of that solitary  penguin is pretty cool tho.... Looks like he is pissed cause he
could not break the pile! ;D

73, Gene AF3Y

That penguin is ME!!!!!....... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(........
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1NK on January 20, 2016, 03:22:56 AM
Still no joy here in CT .... I know, I know it's still early, but I'd really like to shake this new case of S. Sandwich flu.

They finally had a decent signal on 40M around 0400 and seemed to be working both stateside and EU. I was albe to follow their pattern for a while but then lost it.

I'm sure when I install the new amp at lunchtime their signals will jump into the stratosphere and I'll work them, in succession, on all bands!   :D

Frank, W1NK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: OH1HAQ on January 20, 2016, 03:37:35 AM
..let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....

Off topic, but I can share my k5p blanket with you. Looking at the log, we both have it equally wet...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K9IUQ on January 20, 2016, 03:51:06 AM
those being the ones who can't hear them, or are barely getting a whimper who have not worked them......as you know, misery loves company.....let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....

V
K3NRX

I call it the "Cry Baby Camp" Vinnie. These hams spend more time whining about not working DX on eHam instead of improving their antennas, equipment and skills.....
Boo Hoo HOO...  ;)

Stan K9IUQ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 20, 2016, 04:30:52 AM
Here's a "fishing story / whine":

When VP8THU and VP8GEO was on, I was a very new DX-er - in fact it was my first year and I did not even know that the two calls were for two different entities. I just assumed they were both South Georgia. That was the sin that K0YQ alluded to - but believe me, I have a backlog of sins to atone for - but I digress . . . Yes - I did hear and could have worked VP8THU, but instead sat back in complete blissful ignorance.

So - almost 15 years later, I have been able to make up for that - something I've been kicking myself for for many years.

Funny thing - if I had made the mistake the other way around it wouldn't have been a big deal since South Georgia has been activated several times since and has more visitors than South Sandwich. That rock scramble onto the island looks very treacherous. I believe they have a dock at South Georgia . . .

I wonder if I can get Astrids to embroider a "DX Blankie" (TM) . . . .  ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD0PO on January 20, 2016, 04:57:53 AM
Not wanting to sound like a wet blanket, but this one has been really bad for me.
Signals on the upper bands when they do exist have been unaudible for me and on the lower bands they are weak but somewhat readable, but only if I was a really good CW OP like most of you.   Between the polar flutter and the numerous lids it's been a nightmare, but the hardest part is that the OP's are transmitting so fast into the flutter that it makes it almost impossible for me to keep up. Unless they slow down a bit and the madness dies down I think this one is going to be a missed ATNO for me.

73s
Rob

You go right ahead and sound like that "wet blanket".....as someone who is in that wet blanket camp, I am pretty much in full agreement with most everything you said...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(......and I am still bloody effing PISSED!!!!!...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(.....CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS!!!!!....... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P............

V
K3NRX

P.S. I would really like to hear from some people in the same boat.....those being the ones who can't hear them, or are barely getting a whimper who have not worked them......as you know, misery loves company.....let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....




Between 1200 and 1245 (0600 - 0645utc) the signal on 40 was a true +10. Most NA had gone to bed. He sent at 30 wpm and listened 2 up. Had very few callers and zero qrm. By 1245 EU was waking up and the QRM became a nightmare again. Might be worth a shot?

GL

Ray
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 20, 2016, 04:59:40 AM
those being the ones who can't hear them, or are barely getting a whimper who have not worked them......as you know, misery loves company.....let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....

V
K3NRX

I call it the "Cry Baby Camp" Vinnie. These hams spend more time whining about not working DX on eHam instead of improving their antennas, equipment and skills.....
Boo Hoo HOO...  ;)

Stan K9IUQ

Stosh....with all due respect, ain't nothing wrong with my skills....when you have worked 291 countries on nothing but a wet noodle, get back to me....and in case you missed it before....I did improve my station by tacking on an extra 300 watt boost......Just say'n....Got to run...got to go to WORK.....as again, in case you missed the comment, I can't sit in front of a radio all day and all night..... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :o :o :o :o :o :o :o.......
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 20, 2016, 05:03:04 AM
..let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....

Off topic, but I can share my k5p blanket with you. Looking at the log, we both have it equally wet...

I am not even hearing them....and tell me, does K5P complete an entire continent for you?....the VP8s will over here, but as you know...yadda yadda yadda......
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 20, 2016, 05:10:40 AM
Faint and watery on 20 m CW for a few minutes here and there this evening. Nothing on 17 m, nothing on 40 m, nothing on any bands.

So, I worked K5P again.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 20, 2016, 05:22:00 AM

Between 1200 and 1245utc the signal on 40 was a true +10. Most NA had gone to bed. He sent at 30 wpm and listened 2 up. Had very few callers and zero qrm. By 1245 EU was waking up and the QRM became a nightmare again. Might be worth a shot?

GL

Ray

Yep - I couldn't believe how easy it was to work them on 40M at 0512z - just like 17M earlier in the day - one call. A HUGE difference from Day 1 to Day 2, more than the usual drop off.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 20, 2016, 05:25:17 AM
Not wanting to sound like a wet blanket, but this one has been really bad for me.
Signals on the upper bands when they do exist have been unaudible for me and on the lower bands they are weak but somewhat readable, but only if I was a really good CW OP like most of you.   Between the polar flutter and the numerous lids it's been a nightmare, but the hardest part is that the OP's are transmitting so fast into the flutter that it makes it almost impossible for me to keep up. Unless they slow down a bit and the madness dies down I think this one is going to be a missed ATNO for me.

73s
Rob


Practice. I do.

Also you can use CWget as an aid. I rarely need it but it is a "ticker tape" of sorts in case stuff gets lost.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: OH1HAQ on January 20, 2016, 05:31:29 AM

I am not even hearing them....and tell me, does K5P complete an entire continent for you?....

I'm not hearing a single dit either.

Entire continent? Sorry, I don't quite follow you, I'm just a lowly Finn, English as a second language.

EDIT:

Sorry for the slowness, if you are asking if I would complete Oceania with k5p, no. I'm missing  KH1, KH3, KH4,KH5K, T31 and VP6/d
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2016, 05:42:57 AM
Not wanting to sound like a wet blanket, but this one has been really bad for me.
Signals on the upper bands when they do exist have been unaudible for me and on the lower bands they are weak but somewhat readable, but only if I was a really good CW OP like most of you.   Between the polar flutter and the numerous lids it's been a nightmare, but the hardest part is that the OP's are transmitting so fast into the flutter that it makes it almost impossible for me to keep up. Unless they slow down a bit and the madness dies down I think this one is going to be a missed ATNO for me.

73s
Rob

Hi Rob,

I'm baffled to hear your report.  All I can say is try on all bands (not sure what antenna you have on 30m and 40m) and all modes.  If CW is not your forte then try RTTY.  Lastly they might call for ATNOs only so if you could hear them you could work them.  GL!

ps I see them spotted on 10m today.  One benefit of 10m propagation is the spotlight effect.  The spotlight effect could thin the pileup down to the point of 'if you could hear them you could work them'.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5PS on January 20, 2016, 06:34:30 AM
So far, only audible on 30m and it's marginal at best. Only chance I see of me getting a QSO is if they do lots of CW - have had the best copy on that mode. RTTY last night had only 10-15 minutes where I could decode anything.

I see the solar indices are on the rise again - perfect timing  ::)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2016, 06:58:55 AM
Yes - I did hear and could have worked VP8THU, but instead sat back in complete blissful ignorance.

Maybe this will make you feel better but the Microlite team activated VP8THU first and only for a very short period (3 days I think).  So it would be very difficult for you to compete in the pileup as a newbie and work VP8THU in only three days.  If you at least tried but failed to break the pile you have nothing to blame yourself for.  You gave it your best shot as a newbie and missed VP8THU.  If you didn't call VP8THU at all you might be wondering 'what if' but the truth is it would be very difficult to break that pile.  I think they made just a bit over 8,000 contacts at VP8THU.

I don't consider rookie mistakes a bad thing.  It's a rite of passage to become a DX'er :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 20, 2016, 07:01:03 AM

P.S. I would really like to hear from some people in the same boat.....those being the ones who can't hear them, or are barely getting a whimper who have not worked them......as you know, misery loves company.....let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....


Have you tried at 0500-0700 on 40? Both nights so far from about 0100 - at least 0700 they had consistently workable signals on 40m, getting stronger after 0500. My antenna is not much different than yours.. it's a 102 foot dipole fed with open wire line (that is all I can squeeze in). It is strung up N-S. Several of these last dxpeditions I've been getting up at fairly odd hours at night despite having work the next day and a toddler to watch after. In the K5P thread there is a great off-topic discussion of getting some better propagation mapping based on the terrain around you.. As soon as I have the time I plan on trying that out to learn even more about factors that may affect my station. All things to take into consideration.

In time out of "desperation" I've tossed up some other antennas to try to see if I could get a little more gain (delta loops, etc) and that effort has paid off. I'm guessing with Heard Island I'll have to come up with a 'hail mary' to try to hear that one. Maybe it's a good time to try making that Moxon I've been talking about.  

Someday I'd love to add a tower and a yagi. I have a nice 50 foot tower laying in the back yard and a yagi I could get.. but I'd have to do some re-configuration of my current antenna.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 20, 2016, 07:06:36 AM
Yes - I did hear and could have worked VP8THU, but instead sat back in complete blissful ignorance.

Maybe this will make you feel better but the Microlite team activated VP8THU first and only for a very short period (3 days I think).  So it would be very difficult for you to compete in the pileup as a newbie and work VP8THU in only three days.  If you at least tried but failed to break the pile you have nothing to blame yourself for.  You gave it your best shot as a newbie and missed VP8THU.  If you didn't call VP8THU at all you might be wondering 'what if' but the truth is it would be very difficult to break that pile.  I think they made just a bit over 8,000 contacts at VP8THU.

I don't consider rookie mistakes a bad thing.  It's a rite of passage to become a DX'er :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Please somebody activate 3Y/P again so I may atone.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 20, 2016, 07:07:28 AM
Yes - I did hear and could have worked VP8THU, but instead sat back in complete blissful ignorance.

Maybe this will make you feel better but the Microlite team activated VP8THU first and only for a very short period (3 days I think).  So it would be very difficult for you to compete in the pileup as a newbie and work VP8THU in only three days.  If you at least tried but failed to break the pile you have nothing to blame yourself for.  You gave it your best shot as a newbie and missed VP8THU.  If you didn't call VP8THU at all you might be wondering 'what if' but the truth is it would be very difficult to break that pile.  I think they made just a bit over 8,000 contacts at VP8THU.

I don't consider rookie mistakes a bad thing.  It's a rite of passage to become a DX'er :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I remember reading about this one.. I was largely off the air as I was living in a small apartment (faraday cage) and outside antennas were not allowed (my one attempt at a stealth antenna was met with a stern warning letter and the remains returned to me). I enjoyed reading some of the articles about these places. BS7H was another I wish I had something I could try with!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 20, 2016, 07:30:09 AM
Yes - I did hear and could have worked VP8THU, but instead sat back in complete blissful ignorance.

Maybe this will make you feel better but the Microlite team activated VP8THU first and only for a very short period (3 days I think).  So it would be very difficult for you to compete in the pileup as a newbie and work VP8THU in only three days.  If you at least tried but failed to break the pile you have nothing to blame yourself for.  You gave it your best shot as a newbie and missed VP8THU.  If you didn't call VP8THU at all you might be wondering 'what if' but the truth is it would be very difficult to break that pile.  I think they made just a bit over 8,000 contacts at VP8THU.

I don't consider rookie mistakes a bad thing.  It's a rite of passage to become a DX'er :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I never made that mistake again - I made sure I understood everything I could about the DXCC List.

I went on to make other mistakes - like think my 20M Moxon at 30' up and 200 watts would get me to Honor Roll. And when I had no idea what that giant hill right in the polar path to the ME and AF would do - until I learned HFTA.

So many entities, so many "fish stories" to tell . . . but the VP8THU mistake cost me 15 years. Glad I started DX-ing when I was in my early 40's.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2016, 07:39:57 AM
I have made many rookies mistakes but fortunately I only had a G5RV antenna as a rookie.  So any mistakes could be easily made up with a beam and 1kw ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1VT on January 20, 2016, 07:45:03 AM
Knowing that I couldn't compete with the huge pileups, I went to bed early and got up at 2:30 AM.
Took a few minutes to realize that there wasn't much a pileup on 30M and worked them up 2!
Doesn't get any easier than that.  ATNO #315 ;D

I was running 200 watts to my 12 meter collinear aimed N/S at 30 ft--perhaps the cheapest antenna to work them on the first day--60 feet of #14 THHN and half a dozen electric fence insulators cut in half to form an open wire matching section for both 30 and 12 meters!

Zack W1VT
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0AP on January 20, 2016, 08:08:10 AM
Maybe this will make you feel better but the Microlite team activated VP8THU first and only for a very short period (3 days I think).  So it would be very difficult for you to compete in the pileup as a newbie and work VP8THU in only three days.  If you at least tried but failed to break the pile you have nothing to blame yourself for.  You gave it your best shot as a newbie and missed VP8THU.  If you didn't call VP8THU at all you might be wondering 'what if' but the truth is it would be very difficult to break that pile.  I think they made just a bit over 8,000 contacts at VP8THU.

I don't consider rookie mistakes a bad thing.  It's a rite of passage to become a DX'er :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I believe VP8THU made much more than 8000 Qso's but I could be wrong. My Z32XX log shows that back in 2002 I worked them 20-10m for a total of 6 Qso's. Those two VP8THU and VP8GEO were great dxpeditions.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 20, 2016, 08:13:41 AM
I heard them calling CQ on 20 ssb last night!  Roughly 01:30utc, they'd work someone at 14.190 and call qrz, no takers, call cq, someone would call etc.  I was baffled.  All the locals here got them already, so no one to call quick, after about 5-10 minutes he faded.  Anyone who could have been at the radio then was as good as in the log with 1 call.  30 RTTY was a horse of a different color last night, but hey, were only 2 days in.  There is still plenty of time (hopefully) to get them in other slots.  This one reminds me of their operation from Yemen 7O6T.
Frank KG6N
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2016, 08:15:02 AM
I believe VP8THU made much more than 8000 Qso's but I could be wrong. My Z32XX log shows that back in 2002 I worked them 20-10m for a total of 6 Qso's. Those two VP8THU and VP8GEO were great dxpeditions.

Sorry.  My bad.

After making 26,698 contacts during their three-day, commando-like strike on Thule, they sailed on to S. Georgia Island. The team added another 40,000 radio contacts to their totals and knocked both S. Sandwich and S. Georgia out of the DXCC's top ten "most wanted" list.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2016, 08:24:43 AM
I heard them calling CQ on 20 ssb last night!  Roughly 01:30utc, they'd work someone at 14.190 and call qrz, no takers, call cq, someone would call etc.  I was baffled.  All the locals here got them already, so no one to call quick, after about 5-10 minutes he faded.  Anyone who could have been at the radio then was as good as in the log with 1 call.

Yesterday I listened on 20m both SSB and CW.  I could copy the CW station but not the SSB station.  Weird.  W6 has excellent propagation to there as there's no mountain blocking the signal.  Someone from my local club had asked me why their 20m signal is weaker than 17m.  My only guess is that the triband yagis they are using are mounted very low to the ground.  That might explain why the 20m signal is so weak here.  Plus they are running only 500w on 20m.  They might be running higher power on 30m and down.  Nothing heard at all on 15m so far, not even a whisper.

73,
Jonathan W6GX (Colorado)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 20, 2016, 08:47:27 AM
The Intrepid Group are doing such a great job - I am sure they will also knock these two out of the Top 10.

73,

Rich
KY6R
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 20, 2016, 09:49:14 AM
They were pounding in on 20cw last evening, pile was about 12kc wide.
His rate was not all that good, just too many calling at once, probably sounded like one big growl with occasional sigs standing out,
 mine wasn't one of those :o
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 20, 2016, 09:52:35 AM

P.S. I would really like to hear from some people in the same boat.....those being the ones who can't hear them, or are barely getting a whimper who have not worked them......as you know, misery loves company.....let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....


Have you tried at 0500-0700 on 40? Both nights so far from about 0100 - at least 0700 they had consistently workable signals on 40m, getting stronger after 0500. My antenna is not much different than yours.. it's a 102 foot dipole fed with open wire line (that is all I can squeeze in). It is strung up N-S. Several of these last dxpeditions I've been getting up at fairly odd hours at night despite having work the next day and a toddler to watch after. In the K5P thread there is a great off-topic discussion of getting some better propagation mapping based on the terrain around you.. As soon as I have the time I plan on trying that out to learn even more about factors that may affect my station. All things to take into consideration.



Nope, but on the weekend, I shall take this advice....the question arises, though....will they be there at that time???....because during the week, it's out of the question.....

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 20, 2016, 10:01:29 AM
Quote
I call it the "Cry Baby Camp" Vinnie. These hams spend more time whining about not working DX on eHam instead of improving their antennas, equipment and skills.....
Boo Hoo HOO...  ;)

Stan K9IUQ

Grow up.... your comments are beyond belief.  Not everyone enjoys great propagation. Just because YOU can work a rare entity doesn't mean someone (even someone with vastly superior skills, antennas, and equipment) can do the same if they are a few hundred miles north of your QTH.

I am sick of seeing clowns in Florida trying to pretend how great they are using crap antennas, while enjoying propagation that eludes the rest of the northern regions of the USA and Canada.

And, I have worked almost any DX entity that has shown up for the past 40 years. Your abrasive comments serve no purpose. 

Pete
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2016, 10:02:58 AM
The Intrepid Group are doing such a great job - I am sure they will also knock these two out of the Top 10.

Indeed.  I hope many here will work VP8STI.

I just finished watching the VP8GEO video.  I could hardly wait for the VP8SGI show to begin.

DX Is!

https://vimeo.com/121317595

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 20, 2016, 10:21:35 AM
Knowing that I couldn't compete with the huge pileups, I went to bed early and got up at 2:30 AM.
Took a few minutes to realize that there wasn't much a pileup on 30M and worked them up 2!
Doesn't get any easier than that.  ATNO #315 ;D

I was running 200 watts to my 12 meter collinear aimed N/S at 30 ft--perhaps the cheapest antenna to work them on the first day--60 feet of #14 THHN and half a dozen electric fence insulators cut in half to form an open wire matching section for both 30 and 12 meters!

Zack W1VT
Zack,

I don't have your article handy so I can't do the math.  Did you start out with a resonant 17 meter antenna and then see how you could add 12 and 30m, or were you looking for a 12/17/30 tribander from the start?  I'm curious as to how you arrived at the finished design.

Also, was all that done using EZNEC or is there a program to help design antennas using lengths of transmission line as a matching transformer?

Lastly, did you ever try to make something for 80/40/30 or other low band combinations?  I'm also in a densely populated suburb so I don't have the room for 6, 7, 8 or 9 monobanders.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 20, 2016, 10:42:02 AM
The Intrepid Group are doing such a great job - I am sure they will also knock these two out of the Top 10.

Indeed.  I hope many here will work VP8STI.

They have been amazingly easy to work from the West Coast, even with a modest station like mine.  I had feared having to slug it out toe to toe with the ravening hordes, but it didn't happen.  17 SSB and 20 CW were just a few calls.  40 CW took about 20 minutes.  30 RTTY... well, we won't talk about that failed effort. ;)  I know the central part of the country is having a much tougher time.

Paul's team is doing a FB job.  I look forward to logging S. Georgia too.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 20, 2016, 10:44:49 AM
I have severe agita waiting for the log update.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 20, 2016, 10:56:52 AM
Not wanting to sound like a wet blanket, but this one has been really bad for me.
Signals on the upper bands when they do exist have been unaudible for me and on the lower bands they are weak but somewhat readable, but only if I was a really good CW OP like most of you.   Between the polar flutter and the numerous lids it's been a nightmare, but the hardest part is that the OP's are transmitting so fast into the flutter that it makes it almost impossible for me to keep up. Unless they slow down a bit and the madness dies down I think this one is going to be a missed ATNO for me.

73s
Rob

You go right ahead and sound like that "wet blanket".....as someone who is in that wet blanket camp, I am pretty much in full agreement with most everything you said...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(......and I am still bloody effing PISSED!!!!!...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(.....CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS!!!!!....... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P............

V
K3NRX

P.S. I would really like to hear from some people in the same boat.....those being the ones who can't hear them, or are barely getting a whimper who have not worked them......as you know, misery loves company.....let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....





Stands up...waving BOTH hands.....here I am...the WET BLANKET camp

Things may come around.
I didn't hear K5P for several days
and the first time they came up outta the noise,
I snagged them on 20m CW.

So, it can happen and often does.

Give it time.....Good things come to those that wait

some knucklehead somewhere said that ???   ???   ???   ???
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 20, 2016, 11:02:44 AM
I don't know whats going on but something is seriously wrong with this DXpedition.  I don't know if that Large Generator dropping in the water is the root cause or it's just bad weather / or propagation etc.

1) They are so weak on all the upper bands that I have to start wondering if they are just using 100 watts.  After all they did say the K3's alone were sagging the Genny power.

2)  They have a satellite data link as shown in their picture, yet the logs are not being updated.

3) They move around constantly from band to band, mode to mode and almost always settle on RTTY or CW.  Now that's fine except I have heard at least 3 Slims working RTTY in their same slot of BW.

4)  The EU seems to think that there K5P problems are somehow American made.  So now it seems a few are getting revenge by QRMing VP8 whenever they can.   I know this because as soon as propagation on 40m has died to the EU, almost 80% of the QRMing stops.  The Problem is that VP8's signal soon starts to fade and that coupled with the Polar flutter and 30WPM speed still leaves me in a world of problems.


RTTY on 30M seems the best option, so I started to set that up when I realized that every ounce of spectrum on the bandscope was filled with EU and NA callers, I mean so filled that people are overlapping everywhere.


All other bands I have seen them listed, I go there and then nothing, I listen and almost no pileup, except 17m which seemed to be workable for Italy.

Also thanks Jonathan for the advice on 10m.  I saw them listed, flew up to the frequency, only to hear Bob VP8LP coming in at a nice 57  ;D.  Everyone was working him and then listing him as VP8STI.  So I do know I am hearing better than the average DXer into that area and that a lot of people are going to be disappointed when the logs get updated.

Vince, lets keep on working at this.   Stan your comments are negative and not helpful.

BTW I am not being negative towards them, I just think that some difficulties are happening that we are not aware of.


73s
Rob


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K9IUQ on January 20, 2016, 11:10:15 AM

Grow up.... your comments are beyond belief.  QTH.

I am sick of seeing clowns in Florida trying to pretend how great they are using crap antennas,

Your abrasive comments serve no purpose. 

Pete

You find my comments abrasive? You just disrespected every ham in Florida. No,I do not live in Florida.  If you do not like my opinions put me on ignore or better yet stay off Internet forums as abrasive comments and opinions contrary to yours are everywhere. In your own words "GROW UP".

Also Vinnie is my friend, and he would feel offended if I and others did not agitate him on occasion.
 :D

Stan K9IUQ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 20, 2016, 11:11:06 AM
those being the ones who can't hear them, or are barely getting a whimper who have not worked them......as you know, misery loves company.....let's hear it....who else is in the "wet blanket" camp????....

V
K3NRX

I call it the "Cry Baby Camp" Vinnie. These hams spend more time whining about not working DX on eHam instead of improving their antennas, equipment and skills.....
Boo Hoo HOO...  ;)

Stan K9IUQ


I understand your logic...I really do...
It's very easy to criticize others...
Armchair quarterbacks and monday morning quarterbacks
are ALWAYS correct.


BUT,


Some of us and NOT in a financial position to be able
to afford 100' towers, yards and yards of aluminum in the air,
$ 6,000 amplifiers etc...

I sure number myself in that category.

$ 2 g's a month do NOT make such things possible.
Especially when you have rent, utilities, PRESCRIPTIONS,
that normally add up to MORE than the paltry 2g's

Man, I would to have all those goodies...I REALLY WOULD
but it just ain't in the cards.

And BEFORE you tell me to get off my ass and get a job...
Understand that I am disabled and cannot work.
TRUST me when I tell you...I would LOVE to
be able to go back to work.

RETIREMENT is just another term for BORED SH!TLESS
Disability is a curse.

I make do with what I have...

IF I come off as a whiner.....EXCUSE ME !!!!!


Now it's back to listening for VP8STI and maybe for a few bandfills
on K5P.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1VT on January 20, 2016, 11:18:11 AM
I don't have your article handy so I can't do the math.  Did you start out with a resonant 17 meter antenna and then see how you could add 12 and 30m, or were you looking for a 12/17/30 tribander from the start?  I'm curious as to how you arrived at the finished design.

Also, was all that done using EZNEC or is there a program to help design antennas using lengths of transmission line as a matching transformer?

Lastly, did you ever try to make something for 80/40/30 or other low band combinations?  I'm also in a densely populated suburb so I don't have the room for 6, 7, 8 or 9 monobanders. Chris  NU1O

The 12/17/30M is something of an oddity as they aren't really harmonically related.  I was searching for harmonically related designs starting from the work Nicholson did that was referenced by Griffith with the paradigm that I'd accept a moderate SWR for more bands--turns out that I was able to get a reasonable SWR on three bands--with trial and error using EZNEC.

Sep 1993 - QST (Pg. 33)
1/3-Wavelength Multiband Dipole, The
Author: Griffith, Andrew, W4ULD

Nov 1981 - QST (Pg. 26)
Compact Multiband Antenna Without Traps
Author: Nicholson, Taft, W5ANB

http://www.w5dxp.com/goodbad/goodbad.htm
W5DXP has a spreadsheet for ladder line lengths, but you really need something like EZNEC to calculate actual SWRs.

I have a 40/20/10 design written for an upcoming QST.  With 80, most folks should be using an Inverted-L to work DX, not a dipole.  Same for 160.  When I design an antenna, I typically check for harmonic resonances that might be useful--and it turned out my 12M collinear has a very useful 30M resonance.

Zack W1VT
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA4IIF on January 20, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
K1ZJH: I chase DX from my NW Florida location and sometimes post in this forum. Whether I'm a great DX'er or have crap antennas is subject to opinion. Regardless of my operator skill or the quality of my equipment and antennas, I do think that my barrier island QTH close to the Gulf of Mexico gives me a DX'ing advantage. But even with my location advantage, don't think that I don't have my challenges. When I compete in pileups, it can be very distracting when my red nose falls off and my seltzer bottle leaks. And don't get me started about how difficult it is to use a mike foot switch when wearing floppy shoes.

73, Chuck
WA4IIF
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K9IUQ on January 20, 2016, 11:24:36 AM
Stan your comments are negative and not helpful.
73s
Rob

I know, cry babies never do appreciate the truth.....


I understand your logic...I really do...

BUT,

Some of us and NOT in a financial position to be able
to afford 100' towers, yards and yards of aluminum in the air,
$ 6,000 amplifiers etc...

I sure number myself in that category.

$ 2 g's a month do NOT make such things possible.
Especially when you have rent, utilities, PRESCRIPTIONS,
that normally add up to MORE than the paltry 2g's

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. $2000 a month would be a increase for me. I get 10 prescriptions a month and had $150K in medical bills last year. No I do not have any of the above equipment you described.My station is quite modest, check out my qrz page.

I don't sit around on internet forums crying because I cannot do something. I just keep trying, it is more fun than constantly whining about propo.

Stan K9IUQ


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 20, 2016, 11:29:05 AM


Stop feeling sorry for yourself. $2000 a month would be a increase for me. I get 10 prescriptions a month and had a $150K surgery last year. No I do not have any of the above equipment you described.My station is quite modest, check out my qrz 

Stan K9IUQ


Oh, you poor baby!  And what does any of this have to do with propagation or the ability to work DX due to circumstances beyond one's control?  Propagation is propagation. Antennas, power and other circumstances are secondary for most folks who unfortunately are married to the solar cycles.  I guess you have a need to feel superior to everyone else?  Get over it.

The sad thing is you have no idea what others are going through in old age, and having to deal with regarding medical or perscription drug costs.

I have lost all respect for you.




 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 20, 2016, 11:46:15 AM

I don't sit around on internet forums crying because I cannot do something. I just keep trying, it is more fun than constantly whining about propo.

Stan K9IUQ

You see Stan that's the problem with you.  Most of us have to work from 9am and in my case to 8:30pm (M-F). I have been running home and using extended lunch breaks at the times when daytime propagation should be at it's best.  I have also spent the last two nights up until 5am and woke back up at 7:30 AM to dash to work.  So "Trying"  yes I have been doing that and probably a lot harder than you.  I just cannot be home 24/7 like you.

73
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 20, 2016, 11:47:01 AM
This is a hobby boys, take it easy. 
Frank KG6N
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K9IUQ on January 20, 2016, 12:28:13 PM
You see Stan that's the problem with you. 
Rob

Being retired is not a problem Rob.  ;) I paid the price to retire when I was 55 yrs old by working 10 hour days 6-7 days a week. I never cried about not working DX back then either. Let's face it NOBODY cares what DX you work or what I work. We all have our personal goals when it comes to Ham Radio and Dx. Crying and whining on forums does not help one meet those goals.

I love DX pileups for one reason - it is competitive and really gets my Adrenalin running. KC Cops, jammers, idiots, clueless newbies - bring them on. Real Hams suck it up and just keep trying and do not spend their valuable operating time boo hooing on eHam.

For me it is the chase that is exhilarating, not the catch. This is why I LOVE the Bingo Card work all band/mode Dxepeditions. Your goals may be different.

And like the above poster said, it is just a hobby and supposed to be fun whether you get to do the Happy Dance - or not.....

Stan K9IUQ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL1BBW on January 20, 2016, 12:28:42 PM
This is a hobby boys, take it easy. 
Frank KG6N

Well said, now who stole all the Ionosphere between VP8 and ZL1?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 20, 2016, 12:39:21 PM
I don't have your article handy so I can't do the math.  Did you start out with a resonant 17 meter antenna and then see how you could add 12 and 30m, or were you looking for a 12/17/30 tribander from the start?  I'm curious as to how you arrived at the finished design.

Also, was all that done using EZNEC or is there a program to help design antennas using lengths of transmission line as a matching transformer?

Lastly, did you ever try to make something for 80/40/30 or other low band combinations?  I'm also in a densely populated suburb so I don't have the room for 6, 7, 8 or 9 monobanders. Chris  NU1O

The 12/17/30M is something of an oddity as they aren't really harmonically related.  I was searching for harmonically related designs starting from the work Nicholson did that was referenced by Griffith with the paradigm that I'd accept a moderate SWR for more bands--turns out that I was able to get a reasonable SWR on three bands--with trial and error using EZNEC.

Sep 1993 - QST (Pg. 33)
1/3-Wavelength Multiband Dipole, The
Author: Griffith, Andrew, W4ULD

Nov 1981 - QST (Pg. 26)
Compact Multiband Antenna Without Traps
Author: Nicholson, Taft, W5ANB

http://www.w5dxp.com/goodbad/goodbad.htm
W5DXP has a spreadsheet for ladder line lengths, but you really need something like EZNEC to calculate actual SWRs.

I have a 40/20/10 design written for an upcoming QST.  With 80, most folks should be using an Inverted-L to work DX, not a dipole.  Same for 160.  When I design an antenna, I typically check for harmonic resonances that might be useful--and it turned out my 12M collinear has a very useful 30M resonance.

Zack W1VT


Thank you for the article references.  I'll read them tonight. The QST archives are one of the best benefits of being an ARRL member. 


73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 20, 2016, 12:55:23 PM
This is a hobby boys, take it easy. 
Frank KG6N

Well said, now who stole all the Ionosphere between VP8 and ZL1?

Mr Aurora

He's to blame

The cursed polar path for VP8 :)
 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 20, 2016, 01:10:45 PM
 

 
And we are cry babies????
 $2000 a month would be a increase for me. I get 10 prescriptions a month and had $150K in medical bills last year.
Stan K9IUQ

Most of have our own crosses to bear.  You're not the only ham with medical issues and bills. What does any of that have to do with this topic?  Who cares???  You expect  a pity party???
Not everyone is blessed with great propagation, a large yard, or endless resources..  I guess you just need to feel superior?? Some hams  have to make do with where they live, and do the best they can. So, I guess it sucks to be them in your opinion????  A guy has problems working a DX expedition, and they are whining? None the less, into the troll filter you go.. Come to think of it, you should have gone there after the your endless diatribes bashing Flexradio :)  
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 20, 2016, 01:23:33 PM
No one is going to hear much of anything today with the
"K" index at 5.

Maybe tomorrow.

****************************************

OH, and do NOT confuse me with someone that is feeling sorry for myself...

As I stated...I do what I can with what I gotz.

I make up for lack of fancy equipment with
sheer willpower and determination.

THAT you cannot criticize away.

Opinions are like ********...everyone has one.


Just that simple.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 20, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
K1ZJH: I chase DX from my NW Florida location and sometimes post in this forum. Whether I'm a great DX'er or have crap antennas is subject to opinion. Regardless of my operator skill or the quality of my equipment and antennas, I do think that my barrier island QTH close to the Gulf of Mexico gives me a DX'ing advantage. But even with my location advantage, don't think that I don't have my challenges. When I compete in pileups, it can be very distracting when my red nose falls off and my seltzer bottle leaks. And don't get me started about how difficult it is to use a mike foot switch when wearing floppy shoes.

73, Chuck
WA4IIF

My comments were not not directed at you Chuck.  When the sunspots are flying, I think us guys up north do better than most. In the sunspot doldrums, you guys have the edge over us  Yankees.  I make good use of 30 and 40 meters these days. We all make do.. but, not making a contact and lamenting about it doesn't make anyone a whiner.

Pete
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: OH1HAQ on January 20, 2016, 02:01:40 PM
VP8STI log updated  ;D ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 20, 2016, 02:05:15 PM
VP8STI log updated  ;D ;D

Yea haw!!!  40 and 30 meters in the log for both k5p and vp8sti.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K9IUQ on January 20, 2016, 02:18:56 PM
VP8STI log updated  ;D ;D

Yea haw!!!  40 and 30 meters in the log for both k5p and vp8sti.

Well, I gave up on K5P after 10 Q's, but I heard him on 10M today and got #11 after the Log update. I gotta stop, gotta stop but those dang Bingo cards are like a drug addiction.

So lets kiss and make up, I got a 17m SSB on VP8STI, let us do the Happy Dance together and you can lead...  

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/9bab1c98fd3b4d22a959b1dbebdfc976/tumblr_inline_naa1go9oJ51reqcar.gif)
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                                  Stan K9IUQ                                        K1ZJH
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ3N on January 20, 2016, 02:20:43 PM
Worked @ 20:44 on 17m SSB. Now to wait for a more recent Club Log upload...

And we have confirmation.  ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 20, 2016, 02:23:24 PM
Wow the EU has almost double the amount of contacts versus NA  ::) and the EU even has more contacts than the rest of the world combined.

73s
Rob

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 20, 2016, 02:28:42 PM
Wow the EU has almost double the amount of contacts versus NA  ::) and the EU even has more contacts than the rest of the world combined.

Wait till they call "NA Only" during evening prime time, and see how that works out.   :D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 20, 2016, 02:29:28 PM
So far, only audible on 30m and it's marginal at best. Only chance I see of me getting a QSO is if they do lots of CW - have had the best copy on that mode. RTTY last night had only 10-15 minutes where I could decode anything.

I see the solar indices are on the rise again - perfect timing  ::)

Scott, I got them on 40m cw last night, about midnight local.  

When I checked back about 06:41z, after a futile attempt at 30m RTTY, they were peaking a 549 here on 40m on my inverted-L.

73, Tom
 N5MOA
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WS3N on January 20, 2016, 02:40:41 PM
I am sick of seeing clowns in Florida trying to pretend how great they are using crap antennas, while enjoying propagation that eludes the rest of the northern regions of the USA and Canada.

I don't know how the rest of Florida is doing, but here in the panhandle we seem to be far enough west to be "enjoying" the same propagation that the center of CONUS is experiencing. Their signals have been poor here, at least when I've been able to listen. I did manage to get in the log yesterday on 20m phone with an ESP contact (and no thanks to the guy transmitting 1 kHz above VP8STI). I have 3L at 50', nothing special but it usually hears better than that.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0IZ on January 20, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
Just worked 20M SSB from Colorado.  Up 20.  Surprisingly easy.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N4OGW on January 20, 2016, 02:51:35 PM
Yay- my 80m qso is there! They are supposed to be on 160 tonight.

Tor
N4OGW
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 20, 2016, 02:56:35 PM
Just worked 20M SSB from Colorado.  Up 20.  Surprisingly easy.

20m in the noise here.

Solid copy on 17m ssb. Calling for WC for the last hour or so.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 20, 2016, 03:19:41 PM
They seem to have a fairly loud signal everywhere on 40m CW but the amount of QRMing and the key speed plus polar flutter make it really hard for novice CW operators like me to even decode my own call sign  :P


73s
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5GS on January 20, 2016, 03:21:33 PM
Just worked 20M SSB from Colorado.  Up 20.  Surprisingly easy.

20m in the noise here.

Solid copy on 17m ssb. Calling for WC for the last hour or so.

Just worked on 20SSB from Colorado..  Not a booming signal, but only one call once I found the previous guy he worked...

Cheers,
GS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5PS on January 20, 2016, 03:27:36 PM
Scott, I got them on 40m cw last night, about midnight local.  

When I checked back about 06:41z, after a futile attempt at 30m RTTY, they were peaking a 549 here on 40m on my inverted-L.

73, Tom
 N5MOA

Congrats Tom - I haven't given up yet.

I hear them faintly now on 30m CW before SS here. I'm hoping they'll be stronger and the pile smaller in a couple of hours.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 20, 2016, 03:29:12 PM
same here, 20 up. Came up to a 54.

17m dropping out.

30m cw starting to come in
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 20, 2016, 03:34:55 PM
I hear them faintly now on 30m CW before SS here. I'm hoping they'll be stronger and the pile smaller in a couple of hours.

Thanks.

40m has been louder than 30m here. They should get stronger, I wouldn't count on the pielup getting smaller until midnight or so.

I'd still like a RTTY qso. It will most likely have to be 30m. I haven't heard more than a dit or so on 15m.

He is 55 now on 20m, T8 log at 45 ft.  Q5, s0 on the low band wire verticals.

Happy hunting, hope you get a qso or few.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KE4KY on January 20, 2016, 03:44:45 PM

Just worked on 20SSB from Colorado..  Not a booming signal, but only one call once I found the previous guy he worked...

Cheers,
GS

 ;)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5GS on January 20, 2016, 03:52:56 PM

Just worked on 20SSB from Colorado..  Not a booming signal, but only one call once I found the previous guy he worked...

Cheers,
GS

 ;)

Hey Glenn,

That's where the skill comes in..

The unskilled are still trying to figure out what split means.

Cheers,
GS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 20, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
Roger that Gene
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WS3N on January 20, 2016, 04:18:06 PM
Changed my mind. It's not worth the bother.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 20, 2016, 04:28:40 PM
Wayne covers it pretty well here:
http://www.dxpeditioningbasics.com/files/howtoworkus.html
Frank KG6N
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 20, 2016, 04:49:35 PM
Yes, it appears the South Pole is closed until further notice.

Nothing heard from them any band, apart from a few minutes on 20 m our late evenings.

From what I'm reading, I'm not missing much, re: behaviour in pileups.

My 20 m CW and SSB QSO look like that will be it for me. That's just fine, it's off my Wanted List now! I have my "money's worth".

I've just been idly filling band slots in the meantime with K5P.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 20, 2016, 04:58:29 PM
Yes, it appears the South Pole is closed until further notice.

Nothing heard from them any band, apart from a few minutes on 20 m our late evenings.

From what I'm reading, I'm not missing much, re: behaviour in pileups.

My 20 m CW and SSB QSO look like that will be it for me. That's just fine, it's off my Wanted List now! I have my "money's worth".

I've just been idly filling band slots in the meantime with K5P.


Kp6-7 predicted - yup that would do it !

I tried on 20 CW last night and it was a EU dogs breakfast

tuners, RTTY, SSB, cops, lids

+ 15 KHz of signals wall to wall

and to add a weak and washy signal for me .

decided time to switch off and go feed the horses!

best option :)

peace and quiet!

 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KE4KY on January 20, 2016, 04:59:23 PM

Just worked on 20SSB from Colorado..  Not a booming signal, but only one call once I found the previous guy he worked...

Cheers,
GS

 ;)

Hey Glenn,

That's where the skill comes in..

The unskilled are still trying to figure out what split means.

Cheers,
GS

  ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 20, 2016, 05:04:36 PM
decided time to switch off and go feed the horses!

Yeah, the horses don't give a fig about DX, just their next feed. Very grounding.

I'm going to get on the bike and ride into town for a coffee.

Then go look at other people's horses' feet.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5GS on January 20, 2016, 05:34:22 PM
Changed my mind. It's not worth the bother.

We feel the same way...  But it was predictable that you would write something..    :)

Cheers,
GS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 20, 2016, 07:24:55 PM
Good signal here on 30m RTTY 0330z

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5WS on January 20, 2016, 08:08:16 PM
This has been a rough one for me.  I haven't heard them well enough to work them on any band or mode.  I've heard them on 17m and 20m phone, 30m RTTY and 20m CW, but never enough that I'd be able to work them.  I have a three element beam at 35' and a 500W amp, so it's not a big gun but not a little pistol either.  VP8STI and VP8SGI would be #299 and #300 for me.  I'm frustrated because I see other N. Texas guys working him. 

K5P was weak but I've worked him on 3 bands.  This is just a whole other level of frustration.  Propagation forecasts looked good, I worked them MM right before they landed, so I had high hopes.  Well, I guess I'll just put my nose to the grindstone and try a little harder.  Hope springs eternal!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WO7R on January 20, 2016, 08:57:47 PM
Now that they've uploaded some logs, Clublog is making some "predictions" based on actual QSOs.

On just about every band, it seems that the West Coast will have its best chance between 2200 and 0200 or so, almost regardless of band.  That may simply be an effect of a small sample size (I'm sure they have very few VP8SSI QSOs in Clublog), but it's what the data is showing and it so far predicts when I can hear them decently.

So, a fairly narrow window, it seems.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1NK on January 20, 2016, 09:00:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fzwBb.gif)

My South Sandwich flu took a sudden turn for the better!  ;D

#323!

Frank, W1NK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
Congrats Frank!

Yes, I don't hear them on any band, SP or LP, in my mornings.  Then starting in the afternoon I start to copy them on 15m at first.  Then 17m and 20m.  After sunrise the low bands come alive.

They have a crappy signal on 160m at the moment.  I won't bother calling until the signal improves significantly.  I know of one local ham who worked them tonight on 160m at 0330z.  Perhaps there are more however I know one did make it.

For those who still need this I have a tip.  On a few occasions I worked them when they had just returned from a break.  They take restroom and operator change breaks, or perhaps to add more fuel to the generators.  The pileup disappears once the DX is gone.  Then I just sat on his freq.  When the operator returns it's easy without the messy pileup.  This happened to me on 40 CW and on 17m SSB.  GL to all.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 20, 2016, 09:09:17 PM
Thanks Paul!

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 20, 2016, 09:24:01 PM
Now that they've uploaded some logs, Clublog is making some "predictions" based on actual QSOs.

On just about every band, it seems that the West Coast will have its best chance between 2200 and 0200 or so, almost regardless of band.  That may simply be an effect of a small sample size (I'm sure they have very few VP8SSI QSOs in Clublog), but it's what the data is showing and it so far predicts when I can hear them decently.

So, a fairly narrow window, it seems.

That is exactly what miniprop shows as when we will have propagation.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K6UJ on January 20, 2016, 09:34:22 PM
Congrats Frank!

Yes, I don't hear them on any band, SP or LP, in my mornings.  Then starting in the afternoon I start to copy them on 15m at first.  Then 17m and 20m.  After sunrise the low bands come alive.

They have a crappy signal on 160m at the moment.  I won't bother calling until the signal improves significantly.  I know of one local ham who worked them tonight on 160m at 0330z.  Perhaps there are more however I know one did make it.

For those who still need this I have a tip.  On a few occasions I worked them when they had just returned from a break.  They take restroom and operator change breaks, or perhaps to add more fuel to the generators.  The pileup disappears once the DX is gone.  Then I just sat on his freq.  When the operator returns it's easy without the messy pileup.  This happened to me on 40 CW and on 17m SSB.  GL to all.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Thats a good tip Jonathon, thanks. 
I have made one contact only so far.  40CW
And I am in the log, so I am a happy camper  :D
Having a tough time hearing them well enough on other bands for a contact.
I will keep trying, its comforting to know I have one contact now   :D

73,
Bob
K6UJ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 20, 2016, 10:45:56 PM
Finally decided to dig in this evening since I was on a business trip for two days.  Landed them on 40 CW and 80 SSB.  Nice sig on 40.  Not too loud on 80 but he had -no- callers....
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 20, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
30m RTTY faded out me, then they left.

When they came back about 07:00z, back to good print, RTTY in the log.

I was going to try and 40m cw from the mobile when 30m faded on me, they went to calling JA.

Still are, so guess it's their turn.

ESP on their 80m ssb op from the mobile about 06:30z, not enough to call.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 21, 2016, 12:14:39 AM
I tried on 20 CW last night and it was a EU dogs

What made K5P such a pleasure to work was the lack of the usual troublemakers, these being prevented from causing problems by lack of propagation to them.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 21, 2016, 12:15:44 AM
30m RTTY faded out me, then they left.

When they came back about 07:00z, back to good print, RTTY in the log.

I was going to try and 40m cw from the mobile when 30m faded on me, they went to calling JA.

Still are, so guess it's their turn.

ESP on their 80m ssb op from the mobile about 06:30z, not enough to call.



Yeah, I worked them on RTTY at around 0800Z, so it was getting a bit late for the West Coast. They still had a decent signal at that time. So that's 3 modes and 4 bands. Feeling better about my chances for South Georgia now :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 21, 2016, 12:19:16 AM
On a fluke, I forgot something in the shack.  I turned the rig back on to hear the mess and heard him work a 6.  I switched to VFO B and found I was right there.  One call at 40watts and in the log!  I didn't even turn on the amp, with a low wire to boot!
Frank KG6N
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AA6YQ on January 21, 2016, 12:39:05 AM
Finally worked VP8STI for #335 on RTTY after many hours on both 15m and 30m over the past several days. Undoubtedly, this was payback for working them "first call" on both 12m and 80m.

Still need them on 160m, so not done yet...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1NK on January 21, 2016, 03:04:15 AM
Congrats Frank!

Thanks Jonathan.

This was the first time I had heard them well enough to jump in.  It was very close to, if not at, the end of EU's sunrise so, as previously mentioned, there wasn't much of an EU-wall. And, just as you noted, my Q was made shortly after an op-change, stretch, refuel, etc.

Frank, W1NK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 21, 2016, 04:52:50 AM
VP8STI have not been on the air on any band for over an hour. I thought perhaps due to bad WX so I checked WX for South Thule Island and it seems it is actually quite nice, sunny, mild temperature of -1C and not much wind. At my remote QTH it is currently -9C and it will be -14C tomorrow, LOL, much worse :)

Still hoping for a 20m RTTY, that's why I'm sitting at the radio. I hope they are safe, perhaps just improving antennas or having a well deserved break and enjoying the scenery that must be spectacular when the WX is nice.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 21, 2016, 05:05:45 AM
They probably at the beach!

I did hear one CQ on 14023 then nothing. Now there is an I6 CQ there.

Team is probably out doing antenna maintenance.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 21, 2016, 05:24:37 AM
Prior to the DXpedition they mentioned that they might extend the time spent on S. Sandwich at the expense of S. Georgia if they deemed it worthy. Anyone heard any updates on this?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WS3N on January 21, 2016, 05:26:52 AM
Changed my mind. It's not worth the bother.

We feel the same way...  But it was predictable that you would write something..    :)

Cheers,
GS

Of course, as it was predictable that you would trumpet your skills.

Look, I have no doubt that you're a fine operator, and your experience certainly beats mine, but finding the last caller is basic stuff. I did exactly the same thing when I worked them on 20m phone a couple of days ago. I was not hearing them as well as others so it was obvious that I wasn't going to win a slugging match. Find the last caller and bang - one call. That was a bit of luck, of course. It was at least as likely that I'd get stepped on by someone with a bigger signal - again. If so, I'd have to keep trying, always increasing my odds by looking for the last caller. BFD. That sounds like common sense, to me.

I would think that something so basic would be such old hat to you that it's not even worth mentioning, but you seem to need the attention.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 21, 2016, 05:39:30 AM
Over the past year I've made a sizable time investment in deploying a portable tower system, specifically for the purpose of working the 2016 DXpeditions.  So of course my first QSO with VP8STI is via my ancient barely-standing decrepit vertical buried in a glacier behind the house.  So it goes.

40CW between 04-07z has been the best ticket so far here.  Now onto RTTY, but if AA6YQ is working hard......
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 21, 2016, 05:40:30 AM
Let's hope not and if any of the pilots are reading here please tell them not to consider this,

Trevor
EI2GLB



Prior to the DXpedition they mentioned that they might extend the time spent on S. Sandwich at the expense of S. Georgia if they deemed it worthy. Anyone heard any updates on this?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2016, 06:04:05 AM
Prior to the DXpedition they mentioned that they might extend the time spent on S. Sandwich at the expense of S. Georgia if they deemed it worthy. Anyone heard any updates on this?

I doubt anyone except those are on the island will make the announcement.  And perhaps it's still too early to make that announcement.  It's hard to say what they consider as a 'satisfactory' dxpedition.  The metric they are watching is most likely the unique callers worked.  Or perhaps they will use the size of the pileups as an indicator.  One thing is clear is that team will make every effort to get VP8STI into the logs of those who need it.  And I expect them to designate and announce 'ATNO days' well before they leave the island.  GL.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 21, 2016, 06:12:29 AM
Prior to the DXpedition they mentioned that they might extend the time spent on S. Sandwich at the expense of S. Georgia if they deemed it worthy. Anyone heard any updates on this?

I doubt anyone except those are on the island will make the announcement.  And perhaps it's still too early to make that announcement.  It's hard to say what they consider as a 'satisfactory' dxpedition.  The metric they are watching is most likely the unique callers worked.  Or perhaps they will use the size of the pileups as an indicator.  One thing is clear is that team will make every effort to get VP8STI into the logs of those who need it.  And I expect them to designate and announce 'ATNO days' well before they leave the island.  GL.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

There are already conflicting reports of their end date. Text on the second page of the most recent DX World pdf mentions the 27th and the bar chart on page 7 of the same doc shows the 25th.
http://www.dx-world.net/dx-world-weekly-bulletin-4/

John AE5X
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2016, 06:29:49 AM
There are already conflicting reports of their end date. Text on the second page of the most recent DX World pdf mentions the 27th and the bar chart on page 7 of the same doc shows the 25th.
http://www.dx-world.net/dx-world-weekly-bulletin-4/

The chart shows them going QRV on the 17th.  The actual QRV time is the middle of the 18th.  On their website they mentioned eight full days of QRV time.  Assuming this is correct that would put their tear-down time at the middle of the 26th.  From now that would be another five full days of operating time.  Of course the actual departure time will depend on weather and other factors.

We will be active on South Sandwich for eight full days, weather and sea conditions permitting. We expect to start our activation of VP8STI on January 17th.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4JK on January 21, 2016, 07:15:25 AM
Man, they were loud on 20cw last night East Coast time (say 0200-0330 or so.) I really thought I'd get them eventually because the pileup seemed to begin thinning out. I had a really hard time discerning any type of pattern the op had with regards to moving his QSX frequency. Sometimes it seemed like he went up or down 700hz-1k and sometime he'd just randomly spin the dial. So I figured he was listening for holes in the noise and tried to find shady spots near where I thought he'd be listening.

Then all of a sudden I lost prop and he was ESP level. Soon after that it looked like he went QRT on 20 because there weren't any callers.

Then I listened to 40 but it sounded like they had pointed their phased array toward EU because they were barely a whisper. Gave up and went to bed about midnight because I had to get up at 5am.

I'm going to have to stay up all night tonight because I'm worried we'll lose power in this storm Friday/Saturday, so I want to make sure I bag them.



Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0AP on January 21, 2016, 07:33:58 AM

Then I listened to 40 but it sounded like they had pointed their phased array toward EU because they were barely a whisper. Gave up and went to bed about midnight because I had to get up at 5am.


If you hung in there for a bit longer you could have worked them on 40m because after 6:00am UTC they switched to NA and they were really loud! S9 on my dipole. Worked them easily. They did not stick to NA for too long and about 30 minutes to an hour later started asking for JA only.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 21, 2016, 07:44:08 AM

Then I listened to 40 but it sounded like they had pointed their phased array toward EU because they were barely a whisper. Gave up and went to bed about midnight because I had to get up at 5am.


If you hung in there for a bit longer you could have worked them on 40m because after 6:00am UTC they switched to NA and they were really loud! S9 on my dipole. Worked them easily. They did not stick to NA for too long and about 30 minutes to an hour later started asking for JA only.

73 Dragan K0AP

Yes - once the sun's up in Europe and before any propagation to JA, NA has a golden 40M window.  So far that seems the best small station bet for a QSO.  Stick with it because like Dragan said they switch the array around and signals go way up in an instant.  GL.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2016, 07:49:56 AM
I've noticed that propagation to VP8STI could change rapidly across a large area.  How do I know?  Sometimes the pileup would just disappear without warning.  And I have personally heard them actually begging for contacts, albeit for a very brief period :D  One of my local friend came home from work at 1am local time on their very first day of QRV.  He had thought he missed the party but he decided to stick around.  At 3am local time he saw a spot on 20m SSB.  He called them and they came right back.  Just one call to work #3 most-wanted entity on their first day!  In conclusion if you are not having much luck in breaking the big pileup, stick around long enough to take advantage of the propagation anomalies to that part of the world.  Unless you are N0UN one really needs to spend a lot of seat time to succeed on this one.  GL to all.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 21, 2016, 08:02:23 AM
Finally decided to dig in this evening since I was on a business trip for two days.  Landed them on 40 CW and 80 SSB.  Nice sig on 40.  Not too loud on 80 but he had -no- callers....

Congrats! I heard your QSO.. well, your end of it. I was listening for him on 80 SSB but couldn't pull him out of the noise enough to try.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4JK on January 21, 2016, 08:04:12 AM

If you hung in there for a bit longer you could have worked them on 40m because after 6:00am UTC they switched to NA and they were really loud! S9 on my dipole. Worked them easily. They did not stick to NA for too long and about 30 minutes to an hour later started asking for JA only.

73 Dragan K0AP
Ugh, figures. That's what I get for needing sleep. Sleeping and DX don't mix.  :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5RDW on January 21, 2016, 08:07:06 AM
I worked them on 40cw this morning around 0800 UTC. The crowd was manageable and no DQRM! It took only a few calls.

Now to get them on 80m. I missed a good opening early on. The last few early mornings, I get excited when I switch on the P3 and see a pileup around 3520-3530! and find out its K5P running a pileup!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 21, 2016, 08:10:58 AM
Prior to the DXpedition they mentioned that they might extend the time spent on S. Sandwich at the expense of S. Georgia if they deemed it worthy. Anyone heard any updates on this?

I hope they have forgotten that idea.....
Move on to S. Georgia!!
73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 21, 2016, 08:37:42 AM
I agree. Ten days is needed for both locations.  That gives everyone a fair shot.

Pete
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5RDW on January 21, 2016, 08:58:51 AM
I agree. Ten days is needed for both locations.  That gives everyone a fair shot.

Pete

Pickens are slim above DXCC=332, where I am at now.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 21, 2016, 09:02:33 AM
I agree. Ten days is needed for both locations.  That gives everyone a fair shot.

Pete

I agree.  I still haven't worked them on 40, or 10 or 12 meters.  Yesterday's stats showed they've made 1 QSO on 10.  VP8LP has been on 10 during our mornings and yesterday I copied LU2ERC a Buenos Aires 10 meter beacon running 10 watts to a dipole.  For the life of me I don't understand their aversion to 10 meters.  There should be propagation on 10 because I worked VP8IMM/mm when they had just left S. Georgia.  Has anybody made a 10 meter contact?

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W9XX on January 21, 2016, 09:05:29 AM
Log updated. Anybody else missing qso from last night 80 ssb?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N1UK on January 21, 2016, 09:12:06 AM
I am not seeing a log update.

https://secure.clublog.org/logsearch/VP8STI


18,530 QSOs logged between 2016-01-18 11:49Z and 2016-01-20 18:37Z


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W9XX on January 21, 2016, 09:15:54 AM
Weird  I thought I read jan 21 at 14:05 utc. I must be seeing things. That's ok . That means I still have a chance being there. LOL
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N1UK on January 21, 2016, 09:25:11 AM
Yes we are still in the game

Mark N1UK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5PS on January 21, 2016, 09:43:55 AM
Weird  I thought I read jan 21 at 14:05 utc. I must be seeing things. That's ok . That means I still have a chance being there. LOL

If you were looking at the entire list of expeditions, your eyes may have combined it with the latest from K5P on the line above. I did it too, actually....I keep checking for the update.

Supposedly I did work them last night on 30m CW, but I'm worried that they busted my call. Either that or I'm super unlucky and there was someone else in the pile who has a call sign that is one bit, or rather "dit", different.  UPDATE: Made it in the log!

I was shocked to be able to hear them at all on 80m LSB last night, though when they finally got to "7" the static suddenly swallowed them.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N1UK on January 21, 2016, 09:56:00 AM
Quote
Supposedly I did work them last night on 30m CW, but I'm worried that they busted my call.


My 15m rtty didn't make the log. I guess he never heard my reply despite me sending it 3 times.

It makes it hard when callers never stop calling.

I think he has a black list for persistent out of turn callers.

Mark N1UK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AJ8MH on January 21, 2016, 10:11:51 AM
Not having much luck with this one on any band, and I'm trying all the tricks.  Hope persistence pays off, because this would be a much needed ATNO.  (500 watts, 4 elements, skill and poor propagation...)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 21, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
No copy on 20m or 17m right now.

VP8LP loud on 12m. Amazing what a 1200 mile difference will make.



It makes it hard when callers never stop calling.

30m RTTY has been a constant wall of callers. Make me wonder how some ever get in any log.

Never more then a letter here and there on 15m.


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 21, 2016, 11:09:44 AM
Weird  I thought I read jan 21 at 14:05 utc. I must be seeing things. That's ok . That means I still have a chance being there. LOL

If you were looking at the entire list of expeditions, your eyes may have combined it with the latest from K5P on the line above. I did it too, actually....I keep checking for the update.

Supposedly I did work them last night on 30m CW, but I'm worried that they busted my call. Either that or I'm super unlucky and there was someone else in the pile who has a call sign that is one bit, or rather "dit", different.

I was shocked to be able to hear them at all on 80m LSB last night, though when they finally got to "7" the static suddenly swallowed them.

I have a note from last night "KK7JS 0727z" but I didn't note the band !
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 21, 2016, 11:19:15 AM
Quote
Supposedly I did work them last night on 30m CW, but I'm worried that they busted my call.


My 15m rtty didn't make the log. I guess he never heard my reply despite me sending it 3 times.



Funny 'cuz my 15 meter RTTY didn't make the log either and I think W6GX heard them come back to me.  Maybe we'll make it in today's upload.

My QSO was 1/19 at 22:28 UTC.  They were on 21.080.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 21, 2016, 11:47:52 AM
This DXpedition has certainly been an EU feast ;)  Almost 90% of spots on the cluster are from the EU.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N1UK on January 21, 2016, 11:50:40 AM
Quote
30m RTTY has been a constant wall of callers. Make me wonder how some ever get in any log.

I got them at 2:10 am my local time (07:10 GMT).  Very few NA and some weaker Eu and just before that he was begging on 80m ssb.





Mark N1UK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 21, 2016, 11:56:36 AM
Latest news/pictures: http://www.dx-world.net/
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 21, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
Latest news/pictures: http://www.dx-world.net/

More frequent log updates would be preferable to more pictures.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2016, 12:56:03 PM
Chomping at the bit to check my 30m RTTY QSO.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 21, 2016, 01:10:23 PM
Chomping at the bit to check my 30m RTTY QSO.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

DXers need a term for that terrifying condition - waiting for the next log update.  Logita?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 21, 2016, 01:19:20 PM
They came up on 10m cw a bit ago. Nice signal.

I got to the party just before they turned the antenna and called JA. At least I guess they turned it, signal dropped out completely.

I did get there soon enough to hear Tony, N5UD, work them mobile.



Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 21, 2016, 01:20:21 PM
They uploaded at the same time as sending Col an update last time.  The Club log probably take a bit to process in all the QSO's.  
Frank KG6N
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4HB on January 21, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
They came up on 10m cw a bit ago. Nice signal.

I got to the party just before they turned the antenna and called JA. At least I guess they turned it, signal dropped out completely.

I guess it was VP8STI, did he ever ID?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KE4KY on January 21, 2016, 01:26:10 PM
Latest news/pictures: http://www.dx-world.net/

More frequent log updates would be preferable to more pictures.

73,

Chris  NU1O

I like the pictures. Updating the log every 2 days or so is fine. It proves they are there!  ;)

I like the DXpeditions that post a lot of pictures, showing the wonderful sights of their destination.

Maybe the "point-n-shoot" dxers aren't interested, instead just wanting to see green checks on a webpage prior to moving on to the next big activation.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2016, 01:35:40 PM
Chomping at the bit to check my 30m RTTY QSO.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

DXers need a term for that terrifying condition - waiting for the next log update.  Logita?

John yes,

Its called "drinking in excess"

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 21, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
They came up on 10m cw a bit ago. Nice signal.

I got to the party just before they turned the antenna and called JA. At least I guess they turned it, signal dropped out completely.

I did get there soon enough to hear Tony, N5UD, work them mobile.





You sure that station was legit?  I'm looking at sunrise for JA1NUT and it's 2149 UTC.  Kind of early for them to be working JA on 10 meters.  I also heard somebody IDing as VP8STI on 28.023.  They were 599 but only made a few contacts and were gone .  With that kind of a signal they could've worked hundreds of North American hams.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W2LO on January 21, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
 In response to K4HB, I heard the station on 28023 today identify as VP8STI at least twice.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 21, 2016, 01:44:01 PM
They came up on 10m cw a bit ago. Nice signal.

I got to the party just before they turned the antenna and called JA. At least I guess they turned it, signal dropped out completely.

I guess it was VP8STI, did he ever ID?

Heard him id when he went to calling for JA.



You sure that station was legit?

I have no idea. I was only in the pileup for 5-6 minutes before the JA call.

WFWL I guess. If I could have, I would have.  :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5BO on January 21, 2016, 01:46:40 PM
The first station that was running guys on 10M sounded legit, but vanishing like that station did seems a little odd.  Shortly after when all the lids were on that freq somebody was sending the VP8 call, but that station was much louder.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 21, 2016, 01:53:57 PM
Latest news/pictures: http://www.dx-world.net/

More frequent log updates would be preferable to more pictures.

73,

Chris  NU1O

I like the pictures. Updating the log every 2 days or so is fine. It proves they are there!  ;)

I like the DXpeditions that post a lot of pictures, showing the wonderful sights of their destination.

Maybe the "point-n-shoot" dxers aren't interested, instead just wanting to see green checks on a webpage prior to moving on to the next big activation.

Logs beat pictures any day of the week.  You will find that out if you have a dxpedition that does not process logs until they arrive home.  When you find your one QSO is not in the log you wont care about the pictures anymore.

73s
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 21, 2016, 01:56:57 PM
The first station that was running guys on 10M sounded legit, but vanishing like that station did seems a little odd.  Shortly after when all the lids were on that freq somebody was sending the VP8 call, but that station was much louder.

It seems that anyone who hears a faint signal with a "V" or a "P" in it quickly jumps and spots it as VP8STI.
Since VP8STI does not ID very often it causes a massive pileup until someone realizes that it's not them.

73s
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2016, 02:26:40 PM
The first station that was running guys on 10M sounded legit, but vanishing like that station did seems a little odd.  Shortly after when all the lids were on that freq somebody was sending the VP8 call, but that station was much louder.

It seems that anyone who hears a faint signal with a "V" or a "P" in it quickly jumps and spots it as VP8STI.
Since VP8STI does not ID very often it causes a massive pileup until someone realizes that it's not them.

73s
Rob


Now that's a good distraction technique, hihi

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 21, 2016, 03:15:27 PM
Latest news/pictures: http://www.dx-world.net/

More frequent log updates would be preferable to more pictures.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Why?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5RDW on January 21, 2016, 03:16:05 PM
Logs Updated!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 21, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
Log update: Last QSO in database: 2016-01-21 18:50:43

I'm in the log  ;D ;D ;D
40cw, Butternut death-ray strikes again.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 21, 2016, 03:22:48 PM
My 80M from this morning is not in there??

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KE4KY on January 21, 2016, 03:24:41 PM
Latest news/pictures: http://www.dx-world.net/

More frequent log updates would be preferable to more pictures.

73,

Chris  NU1O

I like the pictures. Updating the log every 2 days or so is fine. It proves they are there!  ;)

I like the DXpeditions that post a lot of pictures, showing the wonderful sights of their destination.

Maybe the "point-n-shoot" dxers aren't interested, instead just wanting to see green checks on a webpage prior to moving on to the next big activation.

Logs beat pictures any day of the week.  You will find that out if you have a dxpedition that does not process logs until they arrive home.  When you find your one QSO is not in the log you wont care about the pictures anymore.

73s
Rob


 ::)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2016, 03:31:27 PM
My 80m SSB QSO is in there.  I had thought I worked a SLIM.  I never imagined that they will be on SSB.  My contact was at 0353z if that helps.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AJ8MH on January 21, 2016, 03:46:03 PM
I couldn't even work him by the numbers on 20 SSB tonight.  He went 1,2,3,4,5,8...  He was S-9+ during the 4's, but dropped to S-1 when he got to the 8's.  Again, persistence!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 21, 2016, 03:48:58 PM
My ancient Butternut 40M Q is in there too so very happy with #302.  No ATNO dance as too many others still need their Q.  GL all.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N1UK on January 21, 2016, 03:52:15 PM
My solid 30m RTTY QSO from this morning is missing. How does that happen when he comes back with my callsign 3 times but then it isn't in the log.

Is the log compiled automatically. This has happened to me so many times before. I had to work one DXped 3 times on 20m RTTY to finally get in the log  and I had the good printouts saved from each QSO.  I wonder if there is some sort of software bug the prevents my call from getting in the log or does the op not log it?.


73 Mark N1UK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD0PO on January 21, 2016, 04:07:56 PM
anyone else have a 20mtr SSB QSO show up as a 17 Mtr Q in the latest log dump???

 ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2016, 04:11:07 PM
I have seen some very suspicious signal exchanges on RTTY in regards to VP8STI.  I get the impression that a LID stole a few callsigns from the pileup and then transmits a fake exchange to misled the DX'ers thinking they worked the DX.  Of course I can't prove it.  I could be entirely off-base but Chris NU1O's 15m RTTY signal report looked suspicious.  It seemed the report was too loud to be VP8STI.  I hope it's just a case of a bad log upload.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2016, 04:13:28 PM
My ancient Butternut 40M Q is in there too so very happy with #302.  No ATNO dance as too many others still need their Q.  GL all.

Big congrats to you!  Wish you luck on South Georgia.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W7WQ on January 21, 2016, 04:16:09 PM
If you were to ask for more skilled ops than this crew, good luck.  The 40 CW op last night till I went under at about 0800Z was truly first class.  I've not heard about the member who went in the drink; hopefully he is Ok.  If anyone knows, let me know please.  Generators can be replaced.  Cheers  W7WQ.....
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2016, 04:29:17 PM
anyone else have a 20mtr SSB QSO show up as a 17 Mtr Q in the latest log dump???

 ??? ??? ??? ???


To check if the 17m Q is a busted call, manually insert a 17m QSO using the same time as your 20m QSO and upload it Clublog.  Use the log matching feature to see if the 17m QSO is matched in Clublog.  If there's no match then it's a busted call.  If there's a match then perhaps they logged it under the wrong band.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2016, 04:36:07 PM
Happy Dance,
My 30m RTTY is in the log, I'm done!

I have no way how to put that horse/cow on here, not a clue.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 21, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
Happy Dance,
My 30m RTTY is in the log, I'm done!

I have no way how to put that horse/cow on here, not a clue.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

Congrats, Henry.

Mine from 07:09z this morning showed up also.

73, Tom
N5MOA
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 21, 2016, 05:00:51 PM
Happy Dance,
My 30m RTTY is in the log, I'm done!

I have no way how to put that horse/cow on here, not a clue.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp30/k0yq/zebra_zpsolaagrsw.gif)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 21, 2016, 05:12:20 PM
I have seen some very suspicious signal exchanges on RTTY in regards to VP8STI.  I get the impression that a LID stole a few callsigns from the pileup and then transmits a fake exchange to misled the DX'ers thinking they worked the DX.  Of course I can't prove it.  I could be entirely off-base but Chris NU1O's 15m RTTY signal report looked suspicious.  It seemed the report was too loud to be VP8STI.  I hope it's just a case of a bad log upload.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

One of the times I saw three VP8STI in the waterfall responding to calls.  So it is happening Jon.

Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 21, 2016, 05:39:02 PM
I saw Chris exchange also? on 15M and thought to myself that's odd.

Then, I dismissed and continued to call.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4HB on January 21, 2016, 05:45:41 PM
I have no way how to put that horse/cow on here, not a clue.

There's a couple of ways to do it. You can save the image, upload it to a web site, Click the "insert image" icon, and insert the link to the site you placed it.

The easiest and quickest way is to right click on the image, copy image location, click the "insert image" icon, and paste the link you put in your clipboard.

If you think that zebra has some moves when you see it here, check this out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fljKx9nvrL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fljKx9nvrL4)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 21, 2016, 05:52:04 PM
Another wasted night with no signals to very weak/unworkable signals...and people spotting, "up five great signal no callers!"..or "big sig" on 30 meters......or "first call w/100 watts and a dipole"....HEY SLAP NUTS...I HAVE 400 WATTS AND A DIPOLE!!!!!...WTF????......The only thing that is stopping me from giving up is CABIN FEVER this weekend with that G-DAMN STORM coming....as I will be pulling an all nighter on 40 meters tomorrow night (if I can HEAR them), and listening all day on Saturday as that frozen slop falls.....just a few more reasons to be happy!..... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P......what a pisser....

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2016, 06:29:49 PM
Awesome Tom!

And thank you John, ah, next time I will just ask you Happy Dance Horse/Cow please.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2016, 06:30:52 PM
Thank you Hal, I will go learn a new thing.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2016, 06:56:23 PM
(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp30/k0yq/zebra_zpsolaagrsw.gif)

I now have dual receive on RTTY!

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AB3CX on January 21, 2016, 07:11:27 PM
My 30M QSO was not in log, so I tried again tonight starting 2330Z. They were pretty strong up this way, but being called by EU, JA, SA and NA all at the same time, 1 hour down drain trying. I did get thru on 80 CW, followed later by 160CW.  Op was calling only EU on 160, but finally when the calls died down around 0130Z he stopped saying EU and I was ready to pounce, got right through.  Sure hope that one is in the log tho....
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD0PO on January 21, 2016, 07:18:41 PM
anyone else have a 20mtr SSB QSO show up as a 17 Mtr Q in the latest log dump???

 ??? ??? ??? ???


To check if the 17m Q is a busted call, manually insert a 17m QSO using the same time as your 20m QSO and upload it Clublog.  Use the log matching feature to see if the 17m QSO is matched in Clublog.  If there's no match then it's a busted call.  If there's a match then perhaps they logged it under the wrong band.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

 I had no idea how to do that.

yes, I have a match so it was logged wrong on that side.

So what would you recommend I do? If I work him now on 17 it will show as a dupe (and we all know I of all people don't need that    ;D ;D)

Thanks for your help Jonathan, guess you can teach an old dog a new trick..

Ray
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2016, 07:27:47 PM
So what would you recommend I do?

With your station my recommendation is to work them again on 20m SSB ;D  That would be easier and quicker than all other options.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2016, 07:28:46 PM
My 30M QSO was not in log, so I tried again tonight starting 2330Z. They were pretty strong up this way, but being called by EU, JA, SA and NA all at the same time, 1 hour down drain trying. I did get thru on 80 CW, followed later by 160CW.  Op was calling only EU on 160, but finally when the calls died down around 0130Z he stopped saying EU and I was ready to pounce, got right through.  Sure hope that one is in the log tho....

Congrats on the 160m contact.  I got home kinda late at 0330z.  I don't hear them nor the pileup.  Why would they get off of 160m?

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 21, 2016, 07:32:28 PM
anyone else have a 20mtr SSB QSO show up as a 17 Mtr Q in the latest log dump???

 ??? ??? ??? ???


Not mine - but a local friend of mine has the same issue. I will bet they get it fixed . . .
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 21, 2016, 07:42:46 PM
Another wasted night with no signals to very weak/unworkable signals...and people spotting, "up five great signal no callers!"..or "big sig" on 30 meters......or "first call w/100 watts and a dipole"....HEY SLAP NUTS...I HAVE 400 WATTS AND A DIPOLE!!!!!...WTF????......The only thing that is stopping me from giving up is CABIN FEVER this weekend with that G-DAMN STORM coming....as I will be pulling an all nighter on 40 meters tomorrow night (if I can HEAR them), and listening all day on Saturday as that frozen slop falls.....just a few more reasons to be happy!..... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P......what a pisser....

V
K3NRX



You are right, the signal is indeed "very weak/unworkable" most of the time. However, when the time is right, the signal can be quite good, but it doesn't last too long. Try 20m at around your sunset. Tonight, they were working USA by numbers. Your #3 call area was being worked at around or shortly after 23:00z. I recorded VP8STI working call area #4 at around 23:20z https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9MjSlsdG5g

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4JK on January 21, 2016, 08:29:16 PM
Man, got a 30m QSO finally about 0400. A=32, K=4 sure doesn't help.

What also doesn't help is that there must have been a fire sale on code readers last week. Lots of LIDS who don't/can't LISTEN.

Now I get stress out over waiting for the next log update.  :-\

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 21, 2016, 10:06:14 PM
Man, got a 30m QSO finally about 0400. A=32, K=4 sure doesn't help.

What also doesn't help is that there must have been a fire sale on code readers last week. Lots of LIDS who don't/can't LISTEN.

Now I get stress out over waiting for the next log update.  :-\



Congrats and even with a decent night's sleep tonight to boot!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 21, 2016, 10:35:51 PM
Nice signal on 40m sideband. I was trying for a while before he started looking for JA's by the number. It would be nice to add another mode or band but I'm still very satisfied with my 1 Q on 40cw.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL1BBW on January 22, 2016, 01:13:10 AM
Its so frustrating, the path from ZL1 to VP8 is just around the edge of the pole so it aint great.  You can hear him working JA only, this is the only time I can hear him so jump in, all the police then pile in only JA, by the time he gets the message that VK & ZL have some propagation, guess what its gone.

Will try again, maybe. >:(

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 22, 2016, 01:40:41 AM
Its so frustrating, the path from ZL1 to VP8 is just around the edge of the pole so it aint great.  You can hear him working JA only, this is the only time I can hear him so jump in, all the police then pile in only JA, by the time he gets the message that VK & ZL have some propagation, guess what its gone.

Will try again, maybe. >:(



managed to bag him on 20 CW tonight

he peaked much later this evening

well over an hour later than he has been

watery 53 or so but he did get me

he was calling JA but called me ok so they are working ZL VK when heard

I think the cops are JA cops telling EU not a ZL

we worked only 246 qsos out of 24K+ over the most difficult path there is .. he's working ZL VK when he hears them

keep looking but yup knew this one was gonna be a killer

thats it for me 1 CW 1 SSB thats all I needed!

Cheers

Simon ZL4PLM 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 22, 2016, 02:23:49 AM
thats it for me 1 CW 1 SSB thats all I needed!

Yes, Simon. I think we can count ourselves lucky with that.

I'm just not hearing them at all anymore, any bands.

Not an easy 9 bands 3 modes clean sweep, like K5P!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 22, 2016, 03:17:18 AM
Another wasted night with no signals to very weak/unworkable signals...and people spotting, "up five great signal no callers!"..or "big sig" on 30 meters......or "first call w/100 watts and a dipole"....HEY SLAP NUTS...I HAVE 400 WATTS AND A DIPOLE!!!!!...WTF????......The only thing that is stopping me from giving up is CABIN FEVER this weekend with that G-DAMN STORM coming....as I will be pulling an all nighter on 40 meters tomorrow night (if I can HEAR them), and listening all day on Saturday as that frozen slop falls.....just a few more reasons to be happy!..... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P......what a pisser....

V
K3NRX



You are right, the signal is indeed "very weak/unworkable" most of the time. However, when the time is right, the signal can be quite good, but it doesn't last too long. Try 20m at around your sunset. Tonight, they were working USA by numbers. Your #3 call area was being worked at around or shortly after 23:00z. I recorded VP8STI working call area #4 at around 23:20z https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9MjSlsdG5g

73 Marvin VE3VEE

Marvin....what are you running for an antenna???....WHY am I not hearing them like that???.....my antenna is up high enough that they should be at least 1/2 that signal strength...but all I get is a whimper to nothing at all.....Last night on 40 meters ssb, they were the best I had heard them, but that's still not saying much...and then they vanished around 10:15....WHY???....ready for that all nighter......that is if they show up....or don't disappear again......I really am getting tired of this crap, as I have more important things to worry and be frustrated about......screw competition and this chaotic bull $#1+!!!!.....I've said it before and I'll say it again....I don't care what kind of station you have....you people who think this is fun need to have your heads examined.....MORE THAN ONCE!!!!...... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :P :P :P :P :P :P :P.............

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 22, 2016, 03:23:47 AM
Vinc, I really think it's just a timing issue. Their signal is that strong for only perhaps 30 minutes and then it drops down to s-zero. I suspect you haven't yet been on the air when their signal peaked in your area. Once you are, you will make your QSO, I'm sure.

(The recording was made with a 5 element 14 MHz Yagi at 100ft)

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 22, 2016, 03:41:39 AM
Vinc, I really think it's just a timing issue. Their signal is that strong for only perhaps 30 minutes and then it drops down to s-zero. I suspect you haven't yet been on the air when their signal peaked in your area. Once you are, you will make your QSO, I'm sure.

(The recording was made with a 5 element 14 MHz Yagi at 100ft)

73 Marvin VE3VEE

Marvin....Timing issue???....Unless one is retired and just sits in front of the radio without moving or going to the john, who has the time for timing???....oh GOD!!!....what a drag.....as Coach Noll used to say, "whatever it takes" right???... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P.....as the Cabin Fever sets in... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(........got to run....it's off to WORK.....and then a drive home in the SLOP which will turn a 15 minute commute into an hour (probably the same time when their signal peaks)......and it's up all night to hear more dead air while viewing more spots on cluster saying "great signal" "lonely" "no takers"....and seeing all the high fives and happy dances here on e-ham......and I am gonna crawl into a bottle......BYE NOW!..... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o......

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 22, 2016, 03:52:10 AM
Vinc, I really think it's just a timing issue. Their signal is that strong for only perhaps 30 minutes and then it drops down to s-zero. I suspect you haven't yet been on the air when their signal peaked in your area. Once you are, you will make your QSO, I'm sure.

(The recording was made with a 5 element 14 MHz Yagi at 100ft)

73 Marvin VE3VEE

I decided yesterday that I would turn the beam to work the VP8STI, and even though yesterday the band conditions were definitely not the best, I found from my QTH which isn't too far from Marvin's, that they were Q5 on the 3 bands that I worked them and even on 40m last night they were strong prior to switching over to JA, and I just turned the rig off as they would probably be working JA's for hours, and plus the lids and cops was something I didn't need to hear. If memory serves me correct, I think around an S5+ was what I was seeing on the guess meter. Mileage will vary from rig to rig as far as S meter readings. Maybe I was just lucky in picking them up at the right times. I did notice with K5P at times they would be booming in and then drop down to just above the noise level. I chalk it up to overall band conditions not being the best, and looking at today's numbers not much better,, but there is always hope....

73 De Mike
VE3YF
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3STX on January 22, 2016, 03:55:37 AM
Vince,

I got home at about 11:30 pm EST, turned on my radio and there they were on 10.115 MHz. PLENTY loud for you to hear (I am not far from you) and I worked them easily with 100 watts/dipole on just a few calls. I was surprised so few were calling, I think many are "one-and-done"ing this.

And yes, it seems like we will have LOTS of time to play radio for the next few days. Stay safe.

paul
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 22, 2016, 04:38:00 AM
UPDATE: Today, VP8STI will be QRV on 50110 CW 18:00 to 20:00 UTC.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 22, 2016, 05:13:49 AM
It's amazing that these huge DXpedition teams can spend years with the planning and execution of these trips, but still be at the mercy of the ionosphere during the trip.  It should be interesting to see what their daily Q totals are these disturbed A and K days, but I imagine they're struggling.  I sure hope conditions settle down soon.  Maybe the 6 meter conditions might be interesting I suppose.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KE4KY on January 22, 2016, 05:42:34 AM
http://www.clublog.org/charts/?c=VP8STI#r (http://www.clublog.org/charts/?c=VP8STI#r)

Here is where one can follow their uploads/stats to Club Log
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB8GAE on January 22, 2016, 06:59:39 AM
Another wasted night with no signals to very weak/unworkable signals...and people spotting, "up five great signal no callers!"..or "big sig" on 30 meters......or "first call w/100 watts and a dipole".
Vince,

I got home at about 11:30 pm EST, turned on my radio and there they were on 10.115 MHz. PLENTY loud for you to hear (I am not far from you) and I worked them easily with 100 watts/dipole on just a few calls. I was surprised so few were calling, I think many are "one-and-done"ing this.

And yes, it seems like we will have LOTS of time to play radio for the next few days. Stay safe.

paul

V,

I live outside Youngstown, Ohio so I am within 100 miles of you and Bill KB3LIX.  I find I can usually hear better than both of you but not by much.

I run 100 watts to a G5RV jr @ 30 feet N to S and an OCF dipole @ 30 feet NE to SW.  The G5RV is about 1 S unit better on VP8STI than the OCF.  I have heard them on 20, 30, & 40 and right now 9:30 am est they are esp in and out of the noise on 10 meters.  I haven’t had any luck but guys close to me with beams and amps are getting in the log.

I have had my best copy at 6:00 pm est (2300z) on 30 meters where they are about S2.  The noise level on 40 is so high they are barely above it and on 20 they are S0.

Congrats to Paul for his 30 meter qso.  I was on 30 @ 11:30 pm est and they were in and out of my noise level at that time.  The pile up appeared to be small maybe 1 or 2 khz.  My guess is the small pile may have been due to poor propagation rather than lack of demand.

VP8STI is putting on a great show!  Good luck to all.

73's Rich KB8GAE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 22, 2016, 07:11:06 AM
I was surprised so few were calling, I think many are "one-and-done"ing this.

I get the opposite impression from their stats - 25k total QSOs and only 9k uniques. But maybe that's a typical ratio...  ???
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W9XX on January 22, 2016, 07:36:21 AM
All I know is its Jan 22 and this month I have sat here at the radio the longest time in my 22 years as a ham and not heard a peep out of the dx.ZL9 K5P and VP8. I know conditions suck.(I will use that word).
With only one day left  for me its looking slim for 10,12,15.

 But on a happier note. With one call VP8 on 80 ssb makes thing a bit better.

( The only reason on posting this is so the propagation gods can read this and turn things around.)

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 07:39:34 AM
I was surprised so few were calling, I think many are "one-and-done"ing this.

I get the opposite impression from their stats - 25k total QSOs and only 9k uniques. But maybe that's a typical ratio...  ???

As I have stated prior I think the occasional begging has to do with selective propagation and not reflective of the actual demand.  I have received many local reports of 'one call' QSOs as well as 'two hours of calling in vain' :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 22, 2016, 07:50:16 AM
I was surprised so few were calling, I think many are "one-and-done"ing this.

I get the opposite impression from their stats - 25k total QSOs and only 9k uniques. But maybe that's a typical ratio...  ???

As I have stated prior I think the occasional begging has to do with selective propagation and not reflective of the actual demand.  I have received many local reports of 'one call' QSOs as well as 'two hours of calling in vain' :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I agree, and think that uniques pushing 30% is pretty darn good.  I was surprised that stat was that high.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 08:19:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=i9MjSlsdG5g

Dang.  I wish I could hear them this loud from Colorado.  My friend K0MQ who's a SSB only operator still couldn't break the 20m SSB pileup.  The frequent 'West Coast' only instruction didn't help matters.  I really think the central U.S. is getting the short end of the stick due to signal blockage caused by the large mountain on the island.

I'll see if I could make a video on 20m SSB today and post it on Youtube :D  But viewer discretionary is advised ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 22, 2016, 08:41:49 AM
All I know is its Jan 22 and this month I have sat here at the radio the longest time in my 22 years as a ham and not heard a peep out of the dx.

If misery loves company, consider yourself accompanied - we're in the same boat. I remember working VP9ORK on 80m as easy as you please but this time that area is a tough nut to crack. I just got back indoors from 2 hours with my quadcopter dropping a line into yet another set of trees (for 30, 40m) with different geometry. If it works, I'll describe it all in more detail at a later date  :(

Oh well - there's always NPOTA!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 22, 2016, 08:57:47 AM
I could hear them half that well in STX I'd be one happy camper.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 08:58:54 AM
All I know is its Jan 22 and this month I have sat here at the radio the longest time in my 22 years as a ham and not heard a peep out of the dx.

If misery loves company, consider yourself accompanied - we're in the same boat. I remember working VP9ORK on 80m as easy as you please but this time that area is a tough nut to crack. I just got back indoors from 2 hours with my quadcopter dropping a line into yet another set of trees (for 30, 40m) with different geometry. If it works, I'll describe it all in more detail at a later date  :(

Oh well - there's always NPOTA!

GL John!  I enjoyed reading your blog while it lasted.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0AP on January 22, 2016, 09:01:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=i9MjSlsdG5g

Dang.  I wish I could hear them this loud from Colorado.  My friend K0MQ who's a SSB only operator still couldn't break the 20m SSB pileup.  The frequent 'West Coast' only instruction didn't help matters.  I really think the central U.S. is getting the short end of the stick due to signal blockage caused by the large mountain on the island.

I'll see if I could make a video on 20m SSB today and post it on Youtube :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

That is an amazing signal. I noticed how quiet the 20m band is at VE3VEE's. On 20m I have a constant S7 noise which sounds like atmospheric but it could actually well be power line noise. It's so frustrating. By the way, the night I worked VP8STI on 40m CW I also captured a short video. I was so stunned how loud he was so wanted to have it for a record. In this video you will notice the low noise on 40m when I recorded this. Since I put up that horizontal dipole 40m has become very quiet band for me. Here is the YouTube link from my video recording.

https://youtu.be/M-3I42RzBwo

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 22, 2016, 09:02:48 AM
I could hear them half that well in STX I'd be one happy camper.

Obie N5VYS

Half that well would still be 59 +10!  I'd take a workable 35.  LOL.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 22, 2016, 11:37:33 AM
Latest news/pictures: http://www.dx-world.net/

More frequent log updates would be preferable to more pictures.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Why?

You've been on DXpeditions and you really need an explanation?  This is like telling a 4th grader why it's important to attend school.

Because we can look at the photos after the expedition.  An online log cuts down on the number of people seeking insurance QSOs.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 22, 2016, 11:47:20 AM
I have seen some very suspicious signal exchanges on RTTY in regards to VP8STI.  I get the impression that a LID stole a few callsigns from the pileup and then transmits a fake exchange to misled the DX'ers thinking they worked the DX.  Of course I can't prove it.  I could be entirely off-base but Chris NU1O's 15m RTTY signal report looked suspicious.  It seemed the report was too loud to be VP8STI.  I hope it's just a case of a bad log upload.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jon, My 15 meter RTTY QSO with VP8STI didn't show up in yesterday's log update.  First time as a ham I've been taken by an impostor.  It had to happen sooner or later but I wish it wasn't something so rare.  I don't like RTTY so I'm not looking forward to entering another RTTY pileup. I did work K5P using RTTY yesterday and it's good in their log.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5BO on January 22, 2016, 11:56:19 AM
Log updated
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 22, 2016, 12:04:57 PM
log updated

my 20 CW QSO cfmd

coolio I am done with this one - been a real struggle here :(
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 22, 2016, 12:07:42 PM
log updated

my 20 CW QSO cfmd

coolio I am done with this one - been a real struggle here :(

How many bands did you get?

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 22, 2016, 12:09:00 PM
log updated

my 20 CW QSO cfmd

coolio I am done with this one - been a real struggle here :(

How many bands did you get?

73,

Chris  NU1O

1 Chris .. 20M

that's all I have heard them on :(
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 22, 2016, 12:20:28 PM
One confirmed contact is good. Congrats.  We all do what we can with current conditions.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AA6YQ on January 22, 2016, 12:25:17 PM
Worked them on 160m around 2Z. Their signals in the Boston area varied between no copy and S3, so it took a couple of go-arounds to complete the QSO. The Gentlemen's band lived up to its name.

        73,

               Dave, AA6YQ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 22, 2016, 12:29:06 PM
log updated

my 20 CW QSO cfmd

coolio I am done with this one - been a real struggle here :(

How many bands did you get?

73,

Chris  NU1O

1 Chris .. 20M

that's all I have heard them on :(

Old faithful 20 meters came through again. I know it's a tough path for you.  Congrats on your new country!

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 22, 2016, 12:33:30 PM
log updated

my 20 CW QSO cfmd

coolio I am done with this one - been a real struggle here :(

How many bands did you get?

73,

Chris  NU1O

1 Chris .. 20M

that's all I have heard them on :(

Old faithful 20 meters came through again. I know it's a tough path for you.  Congrats on your new country!

73,

Chris  NU1O

thanks .. I guess its payback for K5P which has been a blast for us !

now looking forward to South Georgia .. ATNO!

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD0PO on January 22, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
So what would you recommend I do?

With your station my recommendation is to work them again on 20m SSB ;D  That would be easier and quicker than all other options.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I decided to just work them on 40 SSB for one good phone contact rather that risk ridicule for a potential dupe. The 20 ssb Q will get sorted out eventually...

thanks again for telling me about "log matching"

73, Ray
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 22, 2016, 12:51:37 PM
What I cannot figure out is how can it be 2pm EST and nobody in the USA can hear them on 17m SSB while guys in the EU are working them like mad 2-3 hours into their night time.   Then on 40m last night, they finally start to work NA on SSB with a pretty weak signal and all the EU guys are complaining.  The EU has over 53% of the global contacts from a USA DXpedition and they complain!   Then of course 5 minutes later they start to QRM the frequency which last until about 3am when they are in broad day light and then like a switch all the QRM is gone.  I have always heard Hams getting pissed at EU operators bitching and moaning on the clusters, I am now starting to understand why.  Some of them seem to want it their way all the time and if they don't get it they QRM the frequency.

 This is one has also made me realize that my knowledge of propagation is not what I thought it was.  Then again I have checked VOACAP and thats also been completely wrong.


73s
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD0PO on January 22, 2016, 01:01:29 PM
Club log now has a bingo button for 30mtr phone for VP8STI???

is there such a thing?

there are 5 phone Q's listed in statistics...

 ??? ???
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 22, 2016, 01:14:43 PM
What I cannot figure out is how can it be 2pm EST and nobody in the USA can hear them on 17m SSB while guys in the EU are working them like mad 2-3 hours into their night time.  

There are NA spots, just not from around here and not very many.

I haven't heard a peep on any band so far today.

40m and 30m both were a lot weaker last night/this morning that the previous couple of days.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 22, 2016, 01:15:30 PM

 This is one has also made me realize that my knowledge of propagation is not what I thought it was.  Then again I have checked VOACAP and thats also been completely wrong.


73s
Rob


VOACAP not only failed miserably with VP8STI but also K5P.  It predicted openings up to 10 meters for both expeditions with high levels of confidence and good signals but so far nothing from either expedition on 10.

Right now K5P is on 28.040 and they're being worked as close as MI and KY but all I hear is some short bursts above the noise level every once in awhile.  Some are calling from the New England states but if they actually have a copy they have a much larger antenna than I. I'd like one QSO with K5P on 10 but I doubt I'm going to get it.

73,

Chris  NU1O



Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 22, 2016, 01:18:34 PM
I have been listening a lot for these guys with NO luck so far.

For whatever reason, 30m noise level is thru the roof.
Normally runs S-0 or S-1...Now it is running
S-8 and S-9.
Doesn't make sense.

30 is usually a very productive band, but NOT recently.

I'm hoping they are like Palmyra, they come
up outta the noise and I get a shot.


Good luck to all
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AJ8MH on January 22, 2016, 01:24:28 PM
Oh where, oh where could my little Sandwich be?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 22, 2016, 01:33:33 PM
Oh where, oh where could my little Sandwich be?
Oh where can it be?

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5UD on January 22, 2016, 01:36:01 PM
They came up on 10m cw a bit ago. Nice signal.

I got to the party just before they turned the antenna and called JA. At least I guess they turned it, signal dropped out completely.

I guess it was VP8STI, did he ever ID?

Heard him id when he went to calling for JA.



You sure that station was legit?

I have no idea. I was only in the pileup for 5-6 minutes before the JA call.

WFWL I guess. If I could have, I would have.  :)

I heard the CQ and a few ID's as VP8STI. Not being a 1500 watt powerhouse. I had started at 1.5 up, and eventually 13 up.
Signal was up and down. Typical for my mobile antenna on 10M.

The afternoon before I finally really copied them on 17M SSB 5X3. Called for w6 and w7 while the signal dropped to zero. It was in here about 45 minutes.

I was out last night for a backup QSO and phone. We had storms galore here. 75M was sold 20-30 over QRN. 40M was a lot, then went down to where I could hear VP8STI at S8 around 0600Z. To no avail as the op was taking w6 w7 and JA by the numbers for two rounds. 45 minutes of S8, but taking us mere W5's. So by the time he gone done with that show. VP8 was down to S5-6. Another bust. That was 2 nights in a row.

73 N5UD  



 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 22, 2016, 01:36:25 PM
Oh where, oh where could my little Sandwich be?

I ate it. Tasted good with a ice cold beer to wash it down  ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4JK on January 22, 2016, 01:38:48 PM
log updated

my 20 CW QSO cfmd

coolio I am done with this one - been a real struggle here :(


Got my 30m QSO too.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/qyhic5.gif)

That was really a struggle for me. I had an easier time working Yemen.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 22, 2016, 01:40:08 PM
Oh where, oh where could my little Sandwich be?

Just worked them on 20 on my first call.  Wish it was that easy on 30 or 40.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 22, 2016, 01:40:32 PM
What I cannot figure out is how can it be 2pm EST and nobody in the USA can hear them on 17m SSB while guys in the EU are working them like mad 2-3 hours into their night time.  

There are NA spots, just not from around here and not very many.

I haven't heard a peep on any band so far today.

40m and 30m both were a lot weaker last night/this morning that the previous couple of days.



Same thing over here as far as the signal goes.  I have also had some really bad timings for this dxpedition because of my Job.

On the 20th I heard them with a great 56 and almost no QRN  on 80m SSB using my old G5RV standby (yeah my jaw dropped). Unfortunately my Steppir is limited to 40m and the G5RV requires a tuner to work on 80m and unfortunately I had taken all my spare cables down to the workshop so I could not hook up my amp to the external tuner.  Last night I carried home my case full of cables and connectors only to find that they were not on 80m and the 40m signal was super weak.  Tonight might be better since the K/A have come down.

73
Rob
 

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4JK on January 22, 2016, 01:45:48 PM
I have been listening a lot for these guys with NO luck so far.

For whatever reason, 30m noise level is thru the roof.
Normally runs S-0 or S-1...Now it is running
S-8 and S-9.
Doesn't make sense.

30 is usually a very productive band, but NOT recently.

I'm hoping they are like Palmyra, they come
up outta the noise and I get a shot.


Good luck to all
Totally agree. 30m has been very noisy here too... If it weren't for the noise blankers in my rig there's no way I could have heard what was going on. Good luck.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K6UJ on January 22, 2016, 01:51:58 PM
It seems they have been on 80CW very little.   Is it just me or is this true?
I worked them on 40CW and in the log  :D :D :D
I am thinking I could possibly get  80CW..........  :P

Bob
K6UJ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 22, 2016, 01:54:35 PM
I'm hearing someone or something on 40 cw,
VERY WEAK, but they are there on 7023.

Hopefully they will stay there for a while. It is still
daylight here and they should come up with darkness.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 22, 2016, 02:02:23 PM
Oh where, oh where could my little Sandwich be?

As with Homer, only in dreams...

(http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/320784/slide_320784_3001062_free.gif)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 22, 2016, 02:22:29 PM
Very faint copy on 30m, 1-1/2 hours or so before dark here.

17m cw  and 20 ssb are both very weak as well on the T8, nothing on the vertical.

I'm hoping one of the three (or any other band) will come up enough to give it a shot mobile.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 22, 2016, 02:35:41 PM
Very strong on 30 meters.  Probably the strongest I've heard them.  Sounds like Dima so I sent at 35 wpm and a few minutes later he found me.  Now on to 40 meters.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5WS on January 22, 2016, 03:02:11 PM
I've only heard them very weakly on 17m, 20m, and 30m and that was just one day.  CW, RTTY, SSB, I am just not hearing them here in N. Texas.  This will be the first DXpedition in a while that I've missed.  I hope VP8SGI is better.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N1UK on January 22, 2016, 03:13:56 PM
Quote
Jon, My 15 meter RTTY QSO with VP8STI didn't show up in yesterday's log update.  First time as a ham I've been taken by an impostor.  It had to happen sooner or later but I wish it wasn't something so rare.  I don't like RTTY so I'm not looking forward to entering another RTTY pileup. I did work K5P using RTTY yesterday and it's good in their log.

73,

Chris  NU1O

It is not always imposters but also logging errors. My 30m rtty qso was not in the log. The qso was rock solid as he was well over s9 and in the clear. I also know that it wasn't an imposter since other stations that he worked around that time are in the log.


73 Mark N1UK

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 22, 2016, 03:22:32 PM
Quote
Jon, My 15 meter RTTY QSO with VP8STI didn't show up in yesterday's log update.  First time as a ham I've been taken by an impostor.  It had to happen sooner or later but I wish it wasn't something so rare.  I don't like RTTY so I'm not looking forward to entering another RTTY pileup. I did work K5P using RTTY yesterday and it's good in their log.

73,

Chris  NU1O

It is not always imposters but also logging errors. My 30m rtty qso was not in the log. The qso was rock solid as he was well over s9 and in the clear. I also know that it wasn't an imposter since other stations that he worked around that time are in the log.


73 Mark N1UK



I had long given up on a 20M E31FB QSO as being Slim, then a month after the trip they found the missing batch of QSOs.  You never know.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 22, 2016, 03:33:33 PM
Good signal on 14.185 in STX.

Obie n5vys
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 03:37:49 PM
Good signal on 14.185 in STX.

Obie n5vys

Any copy on 21.285?  No copy here.

S3 on 20m SSB.

73
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5RDW on January 22, 2016, 03:38:12 PM
Good signal on 14.185 in STX.

Obie n5vys

Same up here in Dallas, Obie....loudest I have heard them on any band.....! ;D ;D ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 22, 2016, 03:50:29 PM

 Jonathan they were S3- S5 on 15M. and now S5 - S7 on 20M in STX?
 
Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AJ8MH on January 22, 2016, 03:54:45 PM
Well, I hate to give up on 14.185, but my voice has given out.  Nice signal at times, but no luck once again.  Persistence.  Have you heard that before?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 04:09:50 PM

 Jonathan they were S3- S5 on 15M. and now S5 - S7 on 20M in STX?
 
Obie N5VYS


I have no copy on 15m and weak signal on 20m.  I just made this video a few minutes ago.  Fortunately there's no foul language heard so viewer discretion is not required :D  You guys in TX are hearing better than us.  In CA or N.E. they must be booming in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPcQ-dXULWg

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 22, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
In CA or N.E. they must be booming in.

He's copyable on my hex beam.  I wouldn't call it "booming."
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 22, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
Yeah baby - YEAH! On 30m finally.

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Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
Yeah baby - YEAH! On 30m finally.


Congrats John!  Now let's hear the details of your 30m antenna :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 22, 2016, 04:27:22 PM
Yeah baby - YEAH! On 30m finally.


Shagalicious!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 22, 2016, 04:34:18 PM

I have no copy on 15m and weak signal on 20m.  I just made this video a few minutes ago.  Fortunately there's no foul language heard so viewer discretion is not required :D  You guys in TX are hearing better than us.  In CA or N.E. they must be booming in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPcQ-dXULWg

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jonathan,

Thanks for posting the recording. It is interesting how much weaker the signal is out west. I've listened to VP8STI on 14.185 starting shortly after 2200z. It's now 0030z. The entire >2 hours their signal has been very steady between 55 and 57. I'm hoping one day they will do RTTY on 20m. In the Clublog, VP8STI so far only has 2 digi QSOs on 20m: 1 RTTY QSO and 1 PSK QSO.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5WS on January 22, 2016, 04:37:26 PM
Good signal on 14.185 in STX.

Obie n5vys

Same up here in Dallas, Obie....loudest I have heard them on any band.....! ;D ;D ;D
I can barely hear them here in Arlington, but it's still the best I've heard them so far.  Great, now someone's playing a recording of W2NQ/7.

Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 04:43:15 PM
Jonathan,

Thanks for posting the recording. It is interesting how much weaker the signal is out west. I've listened to VP8STI on 14.185 starting shortly after 2200z. It's now 0030z. The entire >2 hours their signal has been very steady between 55 and 57. I'm hoping one day they will do RTTY on 20m. In the Clublog, VP8STI so far only has 2 digi QSOs on 20m: 1 RTTY QSO and 1 PSK QSO.

You're welcome.  I'm out here in Colorado which I believe the mountain on the island is blocking the signal.  I swear the whole country is hearing VP8STI better than us.  Dick K8ZTT who is in Denver has a six-element 20m monobander at 130' and he reported weak signals on 20m.  So I know it's not my station.

GL on your RTTY hunt.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 22, 2016, 04:47:25 PM
So here is how my 30m RTTY contact went,
Light copy on 30m RTTY, wife asks me if I wanted to go with her to pickup our Golden from the groomers,
I said sure.
I get back home, they are now printing about 75 percent, I spin the knob to a clear frequency and send my call
3 times, bingo he comes right back.  I just about fell out of my chair.
Sometimes is better to be lucky than good.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 22, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
Jonathan,

Thanks for posting the recording. It is interesting how much weaker the signal is out west. I've listened to VP8STI on 14.185 starting shortly after 2200z. It's now 0030z. The entire >2 hours their signal has been very steady between 55 and 57. I'm hoping one day they will do RTTY on 20m. In the Clublog, VP8STI so far only has 2 digi QSOs on 20m: 1 RTTY QSO and 1 PSK QSO.

You're welcome.  I'm out here in Colorado which I believe the mountain on the island is blocking the signal.  I swear the whole country is hearing VP8STI better than us.  Dick K8ZTT who is in Denver has a six-element 20m monobander at 130' and he reported weak signals on 20m.  So I know it's not my station.

GL on your RTTY hunt.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Can't believe that 6's are spotting 15 rtty as being "strong", and I can't copy a diddle here in CO.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 04:52:25 PM
Can't believe that 6's are spotting 15 rtty as being "strong", and I can't copy a diddle here in CO.

The only time when I heard them on 15m was on RTTY when I saw 'NU1O 599 TU' which later turned out to be from an impostor :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 22, 2016, 04:56:04 PM
Thanks guys.

Well I strung out a 3/16ths diameter rope on the ground and then made a 30m dipole. Fastened dipole to rope, perpendicular to it and then made another element 5 % longer and fastened that to the rope 26 feet from what would be the driven element. Then dropped the appropriate additional lines in the trees and hauled everything up a bit at a time, configured as a 2-element inverted V wire beam.

The neat part in all this is the way I got it into the trees at 110 feet. I plan on making a YouTube video of that process soon but it involves a quadcopter with camera removed. Put into the camera's place is a separate RC receiver that has a "payload release device". Essentially, I hauled up a fishing line with a 2oz weight, flew the line over the trees and then used the second onboard rx to drop the weight on the far side of the trees. Then pulled up heavier line and the catenary rope. I've been wanting to use the quadcopter for this purpose for a long time - the hard part about using one in the stock manner is the descent...coming back down with the line still attached is a no-no as the line will then be above the props and will get tangled in them. After finding a way to drop the line remotely, I knew I had the answer. The 2nd tx and rx were bought online from China and cost only $30. Money well spent for a very precise way to hang a line at any altitude.

Receiver and battery on piece of wood:
(http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/ae5x/rx_zpsxiyzwtsu.jpg)

Payload release:
(http://Thanks guys.

Well I strung out a 3/16ths diameter rope on the ground and then made a 30m dipole. Fastened dipole to rope, perpendicular to it and then made another element 5 % longer and fastened that to the rope 26 feet from what would be the driven element. Then dropped the appropriate additional lines in the trees and hauled everything up a bit at a time, configured as a 2-element inverted V wire beam.

The neat part in all this is the way I got it into the trees at 110 feet. I plan on making a YouTube video of that process soon but it involves a quadcopter with camera removed. Put into the camera's place is a separate RC receiver that has a "payload release device". Essentially, I hauled up a fishing line with a 2oz weight, flew the line over the trees and then used the second onboard rx to drop the weight on the far side of the trees. Then pulled up heavier line and the catenary rope. I've been wanting to use the quadcopter for this purpose for a long time - the hard part about using one in the stock manner is the descent...coming back down with the line still attached is a no-no as the line will then be above the props and will get tangled in them. After finding a way to drop the line remotely, I knew I had the answer. The 2nd tx and rx were bought online from China and cost only $30. Money well spent for a very precise way to hang a line at any altitude.

Receiver and battery on piece of wood:
[img]http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/ae5x/rx_zpsxiyzwtsu.jpg)

Payload release:
(http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/ae5x/prd_zpsd1qb776r.jpg)

YouTube description/demo coming soon. For now, a glass of wine awaits (to replace my prior whine).
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 22, 2016, 04:57:16 PM
So here is how my 30m RTTY contact went,
Light copy on 30m RTTY, wife asks me if I wanted to go with her to pickup our Golden from the groomers,
I said sure.
I get back home, they are now printing about 75 percent, I spin the knob to a clear frequency and send my call
3 times, bingo he comes right back.  I just about fell out of my chair.
Sometimes is better to be lucky than good.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

That's awesome and congrats.  Were they working down or up when you worked them?  I'd really like a rtty QSO.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KW4CQ on January 22, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
Worked and confirmed on 30m using a dipole.  One band is enough for me.  Don't want to be greedy and deprive others of a chance at an ATNO.  ;D

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 22, 2016, 05:04:24 PM
Good signal on 14.185 in STX.

Obie n5vys

Same up here in Dallas, Obie....loudest I have heard them on any band.....! ;D ;D ;D
I can barely hear them here in Arlington, but it's still the best I've heard them so far.  Great, now someone's playing a recording of W2NQ/7.

Rob


Got anything for 30m, Rob?  Pretty good signal here in Belton.


Good you got a qso, John. Congrats.

I was going to link a happy dance video for my 30m mobile qso a bit ago, but I don't think I can top the one you posted.  :P

Cool idea on the dipole install. My trees are only 40 ft or so, I just throw a Cresent wrench with a line attached as high as I can.

73, Tom
N5MOA
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 22, 2016, 05:09:18 PM
So here is how my 30m RTTY contact went,
Light copy on 30m RTTY, wife asks me if I wanted to go with her to pickup our Golden from the groomers,
I said sure.
I get back home, they are now printing about 75 percent, I spin the knob to a clear frequency and send my call
3 times, bingo he comes right back.  I just about fell out of my chair.
Sometimes is better to be lucky than good.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

That's awesome and congrats.  Were they working down or up when you worked them?  I'd really like a rtty QSO.


Don't know about Henry, but Thursday morning about 1:09am local, 0709z, he was on 10.142 listening down.

Said spread out, everyone was a couple down, then printed dn 10. Dropped down 10 and got 'em.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 22, 2016, 05:12:16 PM
So here is how my 30m RTTY contact went,
Light copy on 30m RTTY, wife asks me if I wanted to go with her to pickup our Golden from the groomers,
I said sure.
I get back home, they are now printing about 75 percent, I spin the knob to a clear frequency and send my call
3 times, bingo he comes right back.  I just about fell out of my chair.
Sometimes is better to be lucky than good.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V



That's awesome and congrats.  Were they working down or up when you worked them?  I'd really like a rtty QSO.

He was working down, xmitting on 10142 and I was at 10133.2
I listened for a while and it looked like he hung around that freq.

I just don't remember the time, I'm at work.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 22, 2016, 05:17:43 PM
Thanks guys.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5WS on January 22, 2016, 05:33:32 PM

Got anything for 30m, Rob?  Pretty good signal here in Belton.


Good you got a qso, John. Congrats.

I was going to link a happy dance video for my 30m mobile qso a bit ago, but I don't think I can top the one you posted.  :P

Cool idea on the dipole install. My trees are only 40 ft or so, I just throw a Cresent wrench with a line attached as high as I can.

73, Tom
N5MOA
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Nothing for 30m, I normally just tune up my 80/40 dipole but I don't think that will cut it.  I heard them pretty good on 30m RTTY earlier in the week but nada for the last couple of days.  I may cut a 30m dipole and throw it in the trees tomorrow.
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 22, 2016, 07:07:30 PM
Tried to pick up 30m for a second band.. was on for a bit but could not make it through tonight.. they're fading to esp.. but had a good copyable signal for a while.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 22, 2016, 07:25:27 PM
strangely, i got them on 20 ssb this evening.  30 has been very frustrating.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD0PO on January 22, 2016, 07:33:06 PM
strangely, i got them on 20 ssb this evening.  30 has been very frustrating.

very strong on 30 with no qrm/n. 30wpm no flutter

Ray
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 08:05:29 PM
I see a lot of folks here are having trouble on 30m.  What antenna do you use on 30m?  How many of you have gain antennas on 30m?

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 22, 2016, 08:14:17 PM
Thanks guys.

Well I strung out a 3/16ths diameter rope on the ground and then made a 30m dipole. Fastened dipole to rope, perpendicular to it and then made another element 5 % longer and fastened that to the rope 26 feet from what would be the driven element. Then dropped the appropriate additional lines in the trees and hauled everything up a bit at a time, configured as a 2-element inverted V wire beam.


YouTube description/demo coming soon. For now, a glass of wine awaits (to replace my prior whine).

Congratulations and I want to see the video.  Let us know when you upload it.

Problem here is I'm down to three trees in the backyard and they top out at about 60 to 65 feet.  These were planted when the area was developed and many are starting to die so no 110 foot trees here.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 22, 2016, 08:15:27 PM
I see a lot of folks here are having trouble on 30m.  What antenna do you use on 30m?  How many of you have gain antennas on 30m?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I used the director of my DXU-32 (up 55') on the 20M feed with a tuner in the shack. It did not take long at all.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W2IRT on January 22, 2016, 08:19:19 PM
Hey guys,
I'm only lightly monitoring this thread. If you need to contact me please use dx-pilot@w2irt.net. All mail finally caught up ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD6KVL on January 22, 2016, 08:20:16 PM
I used a 160m ladder line fed ocf at 30 feet.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 08:30:45 PM
I see a lot of folks here are having trouble on 30m.  What antenna do you use on 30m?  How many of you have gain antennas on 30m?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I used the director of my DXU-32 (up 55') on the 20M feed with a tuner in the shack. It did not take long at all.

Have you tried reversing the beam?  I think if you model your antenna in EZNEC you'll find the 20m reflector becomes a director on 30m :)  My Skyhawk showed reverse F/B on 30m in EZNEC.  Having two resonant elements on 30m works much better than a 20m yagi with a tuner.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 22, 2016, 08:41:47 PM
I see a lot of folks here are having trouble on 30m.  What antenna do you use on 30m?  How many of you have gain antennas on 30m?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I used the director of my DXU-32 (up 55') on the 20M feed with a tuner in the shack. It did not take long at all.

Quote
Have you tried reversing the beam?  I think if you model your antenna in EZNEC you'll find the 20m reflector becomes a director on 30m :)  My Skyhawk showed reverse F/B on 30m in EZNEC.  Having two resonant elements on 30m works much better than a 20m yagi with a tuner.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I'll do that - it would be really funny if there was actually any FB on a yagi with 3 elements spaced for 20M and 2 elements spaced for 40M.

BTW - I have never owned (or built) another antenna better than my N6BT DXU-32. I can't say enough good about it, and its now been up a year.

My decision to get it was to be able to move into the lower parts of the Cycle and always have one band that would most likely be open (40 and 20). Also being able to use it on 30M just fills the bill. 17M Moxon and I'm good for the rest of this cycle - and the next.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2016, 08:48:41 PM
My decision to get it was to be able to move into the lower parts of the Cycle and always have one band that would most likely be open (40 and 20). Also being able to use it on 30M just fills the bill. 17M Moxon and I'm good for the rest of this cycle - and the next.

That's a great decision.  Having gain on 17m, 20m and 40m will bring you joy for the next several years.

Do some F/B experiments with 30m with the DXU-32.  You'll be surprised.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 22, 2016, 10:47:17 PM
Patience has finally paid off (I think)
About 5 min ago on 40 cw.

I sure hope he got the call correct, but I am pretty sure
it will be OK.

My Heil headset decided to crap out this afternoon.
Only one earphone works now. Something went SNAFU
in the cable right at the headset.
I took it apart but I do not think it is salvagable.
It is 14 years old, so it may be time to retire it.
(I got it used back in 2005)

The left ear is out and of course, that is my predominate ear.

So, wearing the headset BACKWARDS is how I had to
try and snag them.

Tonight is the strongest I have heard them to date
on any band.

Pressure is off now. (Assuming I show up in the online log)

DXCC # 286


Yeah, I know, you-all are thinking....286 Big Whoop !
I got way more than that.

But I ain't complaining.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1VT on January 22, 2016, 11:03:35 PM
I thought I heard him work you--congratulations!  I was listening on the SE RX loop which is 20x9 feet, hung between two trees.

http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/products/parts
It looks like Heil stocks replacement cords--you may be able to buy another one and replace the worn out cord.

Zack W1VT
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5RDW on January 23, 2016, 05:07:47 AM
....... I was listening on the SE RX loop which is 20x9 feet, hung between two trees......

Zack W1VT

Jack, what type of Receive Loop are you using? I have been experimenting with the K6SE design and it really works well for such a simple design. Always beats the inverted L on DX.

I have only made one loop and have to manually point it for now. 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 23, 2016, 05:51:13 AM

My Heil headset decided to crap out this afternoon.
Only one earphone works now. Something went SNAFU
in the cable right at the headset.
I took it apart but I do not think it is salvagable.
It is 14 years old, so it may be time to retire it.
(I got it used back in 2005)



Same thing happened to my Heil Proset and it wasn't anywhere close to 14 years old.  They do a good job but construction quality is like everything else these days -- garbage.

Try the replacement cord Zack provided the link for.  It's almost certainly the cord.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4JK on January 23, 2016, 06:04:52 AM
The mic element on my Proset Elite gave up the ghost after only a few years. I emailed Heil about replacing it (at my expense, if necessary) several times and never got any response.

I started using cheap dynamic Shure clones on a boom and separate headphones a couple years ago and haven't looked back. With the EQ circuitry in todays rigs you can make them sound pretty great.

I hardly ever operate SSB anyway.   :-\
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1VT on January 23, 2016, 06:21:56 AM
I put up two pairs of loop, so that I could cover 4 compass headings, SE, SW, NW, and NE.  They are quite similar to the K6SE designs, just tweaked for my needs with EZNEC.
With some trial and error I found I could feed them at the corners and still get a good pattern, which makes it a lot easier to keep the feedline out of the picture when you have two loops back to back, hung between two trees.  I also experimented on the size of the loops, and chose loops big enough to work well without an external preamp, to minimize issues with transmit RF blowing up the receiver.

Zack W1VT
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA2VUY on January 23, 2016, 06:27:43 AM
From dx-world.net  "They are having significant BGAN issues but they will try to upload logs daily. On the 26th, VP8STI team will start to dismount high bands antennas and they will be on the air on low bands until January 27th morning. Departure to South Georgia will be on the afternoon of the 27th on the way to the #8 most Wanted DXCC. E.T.A Husvik Bay on the 30th afternoon so most probably they will start operation from South Georgia on the 31st."

Heil also repairs and reconditions headsets, mine came back looking brand new.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 23, 2016, 06:30:37 AM
The mic element on my Proset Elite gave up the ghost after only a few years. I emailed Heil about replacing it (at my expense, if necessary) several times and never got any response.

I started using cheap dynamic Shure clones on a boom and separate headphones a couple years ago and haven't looked back. With the EQ circuitry in todays rigs you can make them sound pretty great.

I hardly ever operate SSB anyway.   :-\

I lent a friend my 25 year old Icom 735 with the stock mike and he sounds terrific.  

I've never put the 2nd receiver in my Elecraft K3 and I don't believe it's ever cost me a QSO, but if you listen to other K3 owners many  make it sound like it's required.

I'm sure most of us could by with much less.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5RDW on January 23, 2016, 06:48:10 AM
Many thanks! I'm was thinking similar thoughts, hanging two out front between the trees. I have the one out back that I can manually rotate so to speak and it did well on K5P.

I have a 30x45 ft. metal garage out back where I have been experimenting and as long as I point the antenna away from the building, it is very low noise and hears well. It's when I try to point it SE where the noise level comes up.

I use the DXEngineering preamp they sell. It seems to be as good as the ARR preamp I have.

Roger W5RDW

I put up two pairs of loop, so that I could cover 4 compass headings, SE, SW, NW, and NE.  They are quite similar to the K6SE designs, just tweaked for my needs with EZNEC.
With some trial and error I found I could feed them at the corners and still get a good pattern, which makes it a lot easier to keep the feedline out of the picture when you have two loops back to back, hung between two trees.  I also experimented on the size of the loops, and chose loops big enough to work well without an external preamp, to minimize issues with transmit RF blowing up the receiver.

Zack W1VT

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 23, 2016, 06:53:36 AM
The mic element on my Proset Elite gave up the ghost after only a few years. I emailed Heil about replacing it (at my expense, if necessary) several times and never got any response.

I started using cheap dynamic Shure clones on a boom and separate headphones a couple years ago and haven't looked back. With the EQ circuitry in todays rigs you can make them sound pretty great.

I hardly ever operate SSB anyway.   :-\

I lent a friend my 25 year old Icom 735 with the stock mike and he sounds terrific.  

I've never put the 2nd receiver in my Elecraft K3 and I don't believe it's ever cost me a QSO, but if you listen to other K3 owners many  make it sound like it's required.

I'm sure most of us could by with much less.

73,

Chris  NU1O

I have to admit - I had a P3 and sold it. I also added the second receiver and only use it as an SWL - because diversity RX while SWL-ing is huge fun.

But for chasing pileups I actually find using the P3 or the second RX actually slowed me down. I worked all of the rare ATNO's easily in the last year that I needed (E30FB, K1N and VP8STI) easily.

My old pileup techniques have been fine for the last 15 years. Now, adding the DXU-32 and ACOM-1500 made the biggest difference in calling for days vs. calling for an hour at most, many times one call.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 23, 2016, 08:50:21 AM
They are currently workable on 10 meters.  Decent signal for anybody in New England.  He's transmitting on 28.485 listening on .490.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 23, 2016, 09:01:22 AM
In and out of the noise on 10m here
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W2IRT on January 23, 2016, 09:01:51 AM
Anybody from VK/ZL, can you please drop me an email with the best times you're hearing the team on each band? I would like to get that to the pilots so they can make a concerted effort at the times they're being heard. Email to dx-pilot@w2irt.net. Thanks.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AJ8MH on January 23, 2016, 09:38:20 AM
Actually heard them on 15 CW and 10 SSB today, but in and out of the noise.  Not workable up here on the tundra.  Maybe later this afternoon.  Just one contact will do.  Persistence!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 23, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
I see a lot of folks here are having trouble on 30m.  What antenna do you use on 30m?  How many of you have gain antennas on 30m?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Butternut vertical between pool deck and back fence. As many radials as I can cram in but all east-west. It was connected to pool and deck rebar but I don't know if that is still the case ??? It works well, no room for anything else for low bands.

As for Heil ProSet, I bought my first one in 1992 (HC4 element). A swivel joint broke a few years ago so I fixed it with JB Kwik ;D Then I thought the mic sounded odd so sent it to Heil Hospital for a refurb ($80 approx). Good for another 20+ years :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 23, 2016, 09:59:34 AM
On 26th, VP8STI team will start to dismount high bands antennas and they will be on the air on low bands until January 27th morning.

Departure to South Georgia will be on the afternoon of the 27th on the way to the #8 most Wanted DXCC.

They expect to arrive to Husvik Bay on the 30th afternoon so most probably they will start operation from South Georgia on the 31th.
 EA5RM – VP8STI/VP8SGI Chief Pilot
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 23, 2016, 10:03:18 AM
 I'm not hearing them on 28.485 in STX.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5PS on January 23, 2016, 10:03:49 AM
Stopped by a friends house earlier today to help him out with some computer issues. Tried listening for VP8STI but couldn't hear a thing on 10 or 15 with his 5 element monobanders @ 100ft - other than folks further east calling them.

Listened last night at various times on 30m - no problem copying them here.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 23, 2016, 10:05:51 AM

I have to admit - I had a P3 and sold it. I also added the second receiver and only use it as an SWL - because diversity RX while SWL-ing is huge fun.


You listening to anything interesting on the SWL bands, Rich?  I got my start as an SWL but all I hear now are religious stations and Radio China International.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 23, 2016, 10:17:39 AM

I have to admit - I had a P3 and sold it. I also added the second receiver and only use it as an SWL - because diversity RX while SWL-ing is huge fun.


You listening to anything interesting on the SWL bands, Rich?  I got my start as an SWL but all I hear now are religious stations and Radio China International.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Yeah - the higher bands aren't nearly as interesting as they were in the 70's - and from the East Coast - where you could hear the pre-1989 "Iron Curtain" stations - like Radio Sofia, etc. The propaganda was fun.

These days I use my K9AY loops with my MA160V separated about 70' and use the K3 second RX in Diversity mode. The coolest thing is how I can hear two stations in opposite directions, like Santa Rosa, CA and in the opposite direction a Mexican AM Radio station. Then the smoothing of the fading in STEREO diversity mode is the icing on the cake. So - its mostly BCB DX-ing, which is how I started when I was 11 years old in Newton, NJ.

I still have QSL cards from those BCB stations - WHO, WSM, etc.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 23, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
No radio today of any kind.

Power lines are arching and sparking more that they have in a long time.

Blowing my ears off on 50 & 144 mHz, and everywhere lower.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 23, 2016, 10:41:47 AM

Yeah - the higher bands aren't nearly as interesting as they were in the 70's - and from the East Coast - where you could hear the pre-1989 "Iron Curtain" stations - like Radio Sofia, etc. The propaganda was fun.

These days I use my K9AY loops with my MA160V separated about 70' and use the K3 second RX in Diversity mode. The coolest thing is how I can hear two stations in opposite directions, like Santa Rosa, CA and in the opposite direction a Mexican AM Radio station. Then the smoothing of the fading in STEREO diversity mode is the icing on the cake. So - its mostly BCB DX-ing, which is how I started when I was 11 years old in Newton, NJ.

I still have QSL cards from those BCB stations - WHO, WSM, etc.

Last week I started listening to BCB stations again for the first time in decades.  I was using my 40/80/160 twin sloper. I have a Palomar Loop for BCB that I'm going to pull out of storage. There are still quite a few Arabic stations on SW but I find it hard to ID them and hardly any broadcast in English.  My Latin was very helpful with the Romance languages but not so helpful with Eastern languages.

I doubt anything will ever beat the first row seat we had to the Cold War.  Those were very interesting times.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WS3N on January 23, 2016, 10:55:47 AM
On 26th, VP8STI team will start to dismount high bands antennas and they will be on the air on low bands until January 27th morning.

Departure to South Georgia will be on the afternoon of the 27th on the way to the #8 most Wanted DXCC.

They expect to arrive to Husvik Bay on the 30th afternoon so most probably they will start operation from South Georgia on the 31th.
 EA5RM – VP8STI/VP8SGI Chief Pilot


I was just reading the same blurb in an e-mail from Bernie. Looking at Google Earth, any operation from the vicinity of Husvik looks like more of the same, with their antennas having a wonderful view of the nearby mountains. Maybe the 500 mile difference in distance will have a marginal positive effect.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 23, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
On 26th, VP8STI team will start to dismount high bands antennas and they will be on the air on low bands until January 27th morning.

Departure to South Georgia will be on the afternoon of the 27th on the way to the #8 most Wanted DXCC.

They expect to arrive to Husvik Bay on the 30th afternoon so most probably they will start operation from South Georgia on the 31th.
 EA5RM – VP8STI/VP8SGI Chief Pilot


I was just reading the same blurb in an e-mail from Bernie. Looking at Google Earth, any operation from the vicinity of Husvik looks like more of the same, with their antennas having a wonderful view of the nearby mountains. Maybe the 500 mile difference in distance will have a marginal positive effect.

I feel fortunate to just be in the STI log once and will feel likewise if I can make it into SGI.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K1EBU on January 23, 2016, 11:48:18 AM
Finally got them on 30 meter cw at 0615z. Op had called for ZL/VK and a few minutes later called for anybody. 2nd call thru with no DQRMers or QSB. It was a solid contact so just waiting for the new upload. GL to those who may still need em. 73 Gary
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W2IRT on January 23, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
I'm still hoping against hope for a shot on 80 and 160, and still missing 12m entirely now, but otherwise I've been somewhat successful. I suspect I'll get 'em on 12 but hope is rapidly fading for a Q on the lowbands. Just too much QRN and signals too weak :(
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W5WS on January 23, 2016, 12:22:50 PM
I'm not hearing them on 28.485 in STX.

Obie N5VYS

Nothing on 10m from VP8STI but Bob, VP8LP was 59 @ 28.510
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 23, 2016, 12:51:06 PM
I feel fortunate to just be in the STI log once and will feel likewise if I can make it into SGI.
So do I. It's an All Time New One for. One step closer to #1 HR?

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0AP on January 23, 2016, 01:39:37 PM
Terrible, terrible band conditions. Hard to believe. Normally working that part of the world for me has never been a problem especially on the higher bands but this time around I have yet to hear them from 17m through 10m. As the day for their departure gets closer and closer I am starting to appreciate more and more my 3 CW Qso's with VP8STI. GL all!

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB8GAE on January 23, 2016, 01:51:26 PM

If you hung in there for a bit longer you could have worked them on 40m because after 6:00am UTC they switched to NA and they were really loud! S9 on my dipole. Worked them easily. They did not stick to NA for too long and about 30 minutes to an hour later started asking for JA only.

73 Dragan K0AP

Thanks Dragan, and all the rest who mentioned that 40 meters was peaking at this time.

I found the band last night worked  just as you described it.

Everyone’s comments were a big help in me getting a qso on 40 cw at 0637z for an ATNO.

I’m waiting for a log upload to verify.

73's Rich KB8GAE

PS: It was fun to work N5M Marsh Island.  Thanks!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 23, 2016, 02:33:42 PM
Building in STX S3 now on 14.185.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 23, 2016, 02:39:15 PM
I'm listening on 14.185 now and I believe this is the strongest I've heard them.  Just a hair short of a true 59.

On 40 CW -- 7.024 -- they are 579 but two pluses over previous days.  The band is very quiet so their readability is a 5 even though their signal isn't booming in, and the Op has slowed to about 25 wpm.  They're much easier to copy than last night when they were doing about 35 wpm.

If anybody in the NE USA still needs them for an ATNO this may be as good as it gets.

Good luck!

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0AP on January 23, 2016, 03:46:39 PM

If you hung in there for a bit longer you could have worked them on 40m because after 6:00am UTC they switched to NA and they were really loud! S9 on my dipole. Worked them easily. They did not stick to NA for too long and about 30 minutes to an hour later started asking for JA only.

73 Dragan K0AP

Thanks Dragan, and all the rest who mentioned that 40 meters was peaking at this time.

I found the band last night worked  just as you described it.

Everyone’s comments were a big help in me getting a qso on 40 cw at 0637z for an ATNO.

I’m waiting for a log upload to verify.

73's Rich KB8GAE

PS: It was fun to work N5M Marsh Island.  Thanks!

Rich, congratulations!
I am glad that the info was helpful and that you finally got them.

Also, nice to work you from IOTA NA-120 Marsh island, LA.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 23, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
I'm CHOMPING at the bit so to speak.

No log update since 1-22 at 1805



ARGH !
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 23, 2016, 07:38:49 PM
Have not tried em for a few days, but figured I better keep my ears sharp so when they head up to SGI.  Worked em (TUFF QSO) on 40 CW this evening (0314Z).  Great op, and he stuck with me while the tuners,etc were trying their best to not let me make the Q. hi hi Gives me 2 bands for each expedition, or twice as much as I wanted.

Also, screwed up (Yep, I DID!) and duped the K5P guys on 20 CW.  Sorry for my senior moment or whatever it was.  Please don't use the cat-o-nine tails again.... ::)

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AJ8MH on January 23, 2016, 07:40:18 PM
Great signal late this afternoon on 20 CW, but no luck.  Persistence!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AJ8MH on January 23, 2016, 07:51:35 PM
Just had an accident.  I worked them on 40 CW tonight with a 160 inverted-L w/40 meter trap for transmit and a K9AY loop on receive.  He took his time to get my call correct, because my signal must not have been too good.  He was S-2 to 3 on either antenna.  Persistence pays!!  Thank you, TEAM.  ATNO!!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KF7CSO on January 23, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
DX crack....the highs and the lows. You want to quit because it's just not worth it, but that next high (All Time New One) kicks in. I find it interesting that this hobby gives me the rush it does.

That was a metaphor. The stuffed shirts need not crucify me. lol
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 23, 2016, 08:47:43 PM
DX crack....the highs and the lows. You want to quit because it's just not worth it, but that next high (All Time New One) kicks in. I find it interesting that this hobby gives me the rush it does.

I think it's especially obvious at times like these, with so many very rare activations coming back to back.  You think, sure, I'll just work them on 20 CW for an ATNO, but eventually that's not enough.  Soon you are trying to get them on RTTY, and before you know it you are putting up full-sized Ts for 160 and rewiring your house to provide adequate current for the new linear.

DX Addiction is incurable, but it has been known to go into remission for years or decades at a time.  Sadly, just one exposure is often enough to trigger a complete relapse.

Good luck in your journey towards recovery.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KF7CSO on January 23, 2016, 09:28:21 PM
Hi, my name is Eric.......
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 23, 2016, 09:36:19 PM
Hi, my name is Eric.......

Hi, Eric!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0AP on January 23, 2016, 09:51:59 PM
Hi, my name is Eric.......

Hi, Eric!

... and I am a hamradioholic.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 23, 2016, 10:07:36 PM
And A.A. (alcoholics anonymous) is for quiters
(I mean no disrespect to those who have quit or to those half bottles that remain neglected)

On a lighter note I bagged the boys on 80m cw tonight.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL1BBW on January 23, 2016, 11:04:06 PM
Well I am pretty sure that I just got him about 10 mins ago on 14.

A real struggle but here is hoping. 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3MEG on January 24, 2016, 12:46:25 AM
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Posted by: ZL1BBW
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Well I am pretty sure that I just got him about 10 mins ago on 14.

A real struggle but here is hoping. 

Pretty sure i'm in the same boat and hats off and credit to Paul and team for giving us a genuine shot at vp8sti he did do what he said he would and they have been listening for us for about 20-30mins . fingers crossed my 4 elements @ 30' and 100 watts was enough btw 20m ssb.

thats all i asked for was a chance and i believe i got one now to see if i was good enough.
and another mate just messaged me he got them as well which was great .
cheers


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 24, 2016, 12:57:40 AM
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Posted by: ZL1BBW
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Well I am pretty sure that I just got him about 10 mins ago on 14.

A real struggle but here is hoping. 

Pretty sure i'm in the same boat and hats off and credit to Paul and team for giving us a genuine shot at vp8sti he did do what he said he would and they have been listening for us for about 20-30mins . fingers crossed my 4 elements @ 30' and 100 watts was enough btw 20m ssb.

thats all i asked for was a chance and i believe i got one now to see if i was good enough.
and another mate just messaged me he got them as well which was great .
cheers




looks like they just ran a pile of ZL VK

nice Paul thank u

already cfmin log so a pleasure to sit back and hear the callsigns fly by

much appreciated

73 Simon ZL4PLM
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W2IRT on January 24, 2016, 07:02:36 AM
Congrats to all in VK/ZL. I was going back and forth with the chief pilot by email in the last 24 hours and forwarded a few pieces of email I received from our mates down under, so I'm glad our team was able to work all y'all :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 24, 2016, 07:21:48 AM
Congrats to all in VK/ZL. I was going back and forth with the chief pilot by email in the last 24 hours and forwarded a few pieces of email I received from our mates down under, so I'm glad our team was able to work all y'all :)

I think that's exactly the way the tougher paths should be approached by DXpeditions = props.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 24, 2016, 07:31:06 AM
Congrats to all in VK/ZL. I was going back and forth with the chief pilot by email in the last 24 hours and forwarded a few pieces of email I received from our mates down under, so I'm glad our team was able to work all y'all :)

And please do not not not read this as criticism, but I'm very curious if there's a reason for no 20M rtty?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 24, 2016, 07:34:47 AM

And please do not not not read this as criticism, but I'm very curious if there's a reason for no 20M rtty?


I've also been waiting, every day, for them to finally start RTTY on 20m.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 24, 2016, 07:41:14 AM

And please do not not not read this as criticism, but I'm very curious if there's a reason for no 20M rtty?


I've also been waiting, every day, for them to finally start RTTY on 20m.

73 Marvin VE3VEE

The only reason I can think of is the fact that there is a RTTY Contest on this weekend, I am actually surprised they were on 15m RTTY, I kinda thought RTTY would have only been on the WARC Bands during the weekend..

73 De Mike
VE3YF

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 24, 2016, 07:44:24 AM
They must be really having a heck of a time with the Satphone. No log updates for 2 days now. I know sometimes even in the Northern Latitudes sat comms can play havoc, I guess even more so at the Southern Latitudes. Hope for a good opening for a log update....

73 De Mike
VE3YF
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 24, 2016, 08:16:20 AM
Mike, their RTTY activity has so far been limited to 15m and 30m. In the Clublog, on 20m, they only have 2 digi QSOs: 1 RTTY QSO and 1 PSK QSO.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 24, 2016, 08:24:39 AM
Mike, their RTTY activity has so far been limited to 15m and 30m. In the Clublog, on 20m, they only have 2 digi QSOs: 1 RTTY QSO and 1 PSK QSO.

73 Marvin VE3VEE

Hi Marvin:

I got them on 15m RTTY, I heard them on 30m, but no antenna. The other thing that one might have to consider is due to overall band conditions being so poor and the lack of contacts of certain area's, they might only be running limited RTTY Operations, just enough to keep the real RTTY enthusiasts happy. Peter might be able to pipe in as he is in a position to know what the team is doing and their operating practices. The PSK contact might have been a favour for someone. Only my speculation though. GL Marvin hope you get the elusive RTTY Contact on 20m.

73 De Mike
VE3YF
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 24, 2016, 09:07:22 AM
Thanks, Mike. I'm QRV only on 20m, that's my issue, LOL. But I'm glad I have them on the other two modes.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 24, 2016, 09:25:02 AM
Unless I am missing something....


almost 48 hours since last log update.

I am climbing the walls here.

Yeah, I know....Online logs are a recent thing.
The world USED to have to wait until the trip was over
to see if they were in the log.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N4KC on January 24, 2016, 09:35:59 AM
KB3LIX:

I know what you mean!  My lone QSO so far was Friday night on 30.  And their best signal last night was on 30 as well but I didn't try...though I sure wanted to.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
   
   
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA8UEG on January 24, 2016, 10:07:24 AM
Yea, I have been waiting to see if my iffy 17 CW contact made it in. With time running short I got on 15 CW a while ago and made a solid copy with them repeating my call twice so as sure as sure can be I'm in the log now.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W2IRT on January 24, 2016, 10:36:55 AM
I have no additional info re log uploading or their schedules. Pilots really cannot bug the team about "please more this or less that." As an RTTY op I feel your pain. I was lucky to get them on 15 and 30. At this point, with the DXpedition winding down, I think they'll have to concentrate on the two most popular modes. I just hope they make one more big push on 12m--I missed them today when I was out clearing my driveway after Snowpocalypse.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 24, 2016, 10:43:42 AM
I really hate to dupe them, But I will have to
try for another 40m CW tonight.
40 is the only band I have heard them strong enough
to try and call them.

Maybe they'll come up somewhere else today.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 24, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
I'd like a 15-12 or 10m qso myself.

Other than a dit or word here and there (and nothing so far today) everything above 17m has been zip.

As someone mentioned, at least we get a few days break before we get to do it all over again for S. Georgia.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA8UEG on January 24, 2016, 10:58:36 AM
I really hate to dupe them, But I will have to
try for another 40m CW tonight.
40 is the only band I have heard them strong enough
to try and call them.

Maybe they'll come up somewhere else today.

You are on the other side of the state but they were the loudest I have heard them on 15 today, actually Q5. Other than that they have just been faint at best on all bands here.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2SR on January 24, 2016, 11:03:33 AM
Worked them on 80 last night - rather easily for #238.   

Now for 10m, but I doubt that will happen I'll be at work when they are on 10. 

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 24, 2016, 11:06:20 AM
I really hate to dupe them, But I will have to
try for another 40m CW tonight.
40 is the only band I have heard them strong enough
to try and call them.

Maybe they'll come up somewhere else today.

The other day the VP8STI Op told about half the stations he worked they were dupes.  He told some they'd duped him many times. Better to dupe them then lose out on a QSO.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 24, 2016, 11:08:53 AM

Other than a dit or word here and there (and nothing so far today) everything above 17m has been zip.


Same here, which I find amazing.  I thought 10-12-15 would be money to the South Atlantic.  Ya never know.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 24, 2016, 11:17:55 AM
I really hate to dupe them, But I will have to
try for another 40m CW tonight.
40 is the only band I have heard them strong enough
to try and call them.

Maybe they'll come up somewhere else today.

You are on the other side of the state but they were the loudest I have heard them on 15 today, actually Q5. Other than that they have just been faint at best on all bands here.


I am camped on 21023 listening intently and NOTHING but noise.
Been flopping from spot to spot for 2 hours, and nothing.

The only place I have heard them with any strength was on 40 cw
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 24, 2016, 11:22:04 AM
"Log update in progress" at ClubLog
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 24, 2016, 11:27:32 AM
21023 is now trashed.

PV8ADI doesn't know how to listen.

Mult people trying tell him freq in use....
but he ignores them.
This is common practice for him.
I have heard it many times.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 24, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
"Log update in progress" at ClubLog

My 40m cw contact is in their log !!!!!!!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KF7CSO on January 24, 2016, 11:30:28 AM
Congrats Bill!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 24, 2016, 11:35:48 AM
I sent an e-mail to the clown causing harmful interference to VP8STI
asking him why he cannot listen.

PV8ADI no ears !!!!
and NO COURTESY !!!!!!!!!!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 24, 2016, 11:37:50 AM
"Log update in progress" at ClubLog

My 40m cw contact is in their log !!!!!!!

So is Cousin Vinnie's ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 24, 2016, 11:38:18 AM
Congrats Bill!

Thank you,
I'm sure glad they did that log update.
I was really sweating it.

When I made the contact, the DX cops were plentiful
and with a weak signal it was about impossible
to be sure they got my call correct.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 24, 2016, 11:41:33 AM
I have no additional info re log uploading or their schedules. Pilots really cannot bug the team about "please more this or less that." As an RTTY op I feel your pain. I was lucky to get them on 15 and 30. At this point, with the DXpedition winding down, I think they'll have to concentrate on the two most popular modes. I just hope they make one more big push on 12m--I missed them today when I was out clearing my driveway after Snowpocalypse.

How much snow did you get, I am thinking what a couple feet, I guess you wont be going anywhere soon unless the roads have been cleared. All my Q's are good in the latest update. Time for a rest. GL es Tnx.

73 De Mike
VE3YF.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 24, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
PV8ADI no ears !!!!
and NO COURTESY !!!!!!!!!!
Did PV8ADI choose that freq coincidentally or is he having a bit of "fun". Seems I've heard this coincidence a number of times. W5UN agrees.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA8UEG on January 24, 2016, 11:50:33 AM
Wow, my iffy 17 is there, last nights 20 meter CW which was REALLY iffy and I know the one a couple of hours on 15 was good so now I have them on 3 bands. I really was just looking for 1 CW contact but not complaining.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3MEG on January 24, 2016, 12:01:35 PM
not in the log :(
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KE4KY on January 24, 2016, 12:02:53 PM
Feel very pleased with my 17m CW and 30m CW contacts in the log.

Looking at the latest breakdown of numbers:

Continent    ~%
AF   1.6
AN   0.0
AS   7.1
EU   55.0
NA   30.2
OC   0.9
SA   5.3
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 24, 2016, 12:03:01 PM
Yep, my 20M QSO just showed up. And yes Vinnie, your 40M QSO is in the log also. Congrats! :)

John K7KB
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5JZ on January 24, 2016, 12:06:16 PM
 ;D
My 160 QSO from two days ago is in the log! Outstanding operator... he really hung with me on a marginal Sun Rise path! Thank you TEAM Intrepid!

73,
George K5JZ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 24, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
"Log update in progress" at ClubLog

My 40m cw contact is in their log !!!!!!!

Congrats Bill....

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 24, 2016, 12:15:02 PM
"Log update in progress" at ClubLog

My 40m cw contact is in their log !!!!!!!

So is Cousin Vinnie's ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D....Finally a reason to smile..Country 292 in the boot.....no more...now a rest before on to S. Georgia for the South America completion....& unless we get a swath of sunspots, I will be one and done there too......I really hope that it won't be as anguishing......T.U.

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N1UK on January 24, 2016, 12:29:34 PM
I was hoping to try for a 160m qso but I have been without power for 2 days now and the antennas are covered in ice.

Still no power and the generator has been stalling on high loads but at least the ice has melted from the beam. I lost my G5RV due to a broken support rope but I don't use it much these days.

Hoping to get power this evening so that I can have a go at 160m. When are they leaving?


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0RS on January 24, 2016, 12:34:44 PM

Looking at the latest breakdown of numbers:

Continent    ~%
AF   1.6
AN   0.0
AS   7.1
EU   55.0
NA   30.2
OC   0.9
SA   5.3

12m:    EU=2180 NA=372
160m:  EU=643   NA=473
15M:    EU=4541 NA=1340
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1VT on January 24, 2016, 12:37:18 PM
"Log update in progress" at ClubLog

My 40m cw contact is in their log !!!!!!!

Congratulations!  The 160M RX loop really helped--I not only copied your contact but made the next contact using a 40/15M inverted-L with two 33' elevated radials.

Zack W1VT
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 24, 2016, 12:40:33 PM
Let's look at K5P shall we
Continent   Total QSOs   %
Africa   282   0.4
Antarctica   3   0.0
Asia.    23691   34.9
Europe   7074   10.4
North America   31256   46.1
Oceania   3173   4.7
South America   2314   3.4
Totals   67793   100.0

The divide between EU and NA on VP8 is about right,
The divide between EU and NA on K5P is not right but no one here cares as your all filling your boots with greenies,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0RS on January 24, 2016, 12:47:07 PM
Let's look at K5P shall we
Continent   Total QSOs   %
Africa   282   0.4
Antarctica   3   0.0
Asia.    23691   34.9
Europe   7074   10.4
North America   31256   46.1
Oceania   3173   4.7
South America   2314   3.4
Totals   67793   100.0

The divide between EU and NA on VP8 is about right,
The divide between EU and NA on K5P is not right but no one here cares as your all filling your boots with greenies,

Trevor
EI2GLB

So this is a "get even" dxpedition?"  Sorry Palmyra is hard to work from EU.  Looks like the K5P ops did what they could to work EU when they had prop.  Oh, and you might check the contributors page on the VP8STI website.  Glad to buy you a dxpedition.  Merry Xmas.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W2LO on January 24, 2016, 12:49:13 PM
 Mark, I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties and hope that soon your power will return. As far as VP8STI, here's the latest on their schedule from DX-World:

They are having significant BGAN issues but they will try to upload logs daily. On the 26th, VP8STI team will start to dismount high bands antennas and they will be on the air on low bands until January 27th morning. Departure to South Georgia will be on the afternoon of the 27th on the way to the #8 most Wanted DXCC. E.T.A Husvik Bay on the 30th afternoon so most probably they will start operation from South Georgia on the 31s
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 24, 2016, 12:49:32 PM
as your all filling your boots with greenies,
Trevor
EI2GLB

Did someone say "greenies"? Donations to VP8 by continent:
(http://www.intrepid-dx.com/vp8/img/vp8_donors.jpg)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 24, 2016, 12:58:56 PM

The divide between EU and NA on VP8 is about right,
The divide between EU and NA on K5P is not right but no one here cares as your all filling your boots with greenies,

Trevor
EI2GLB

Hi Trevor,

I'm sorry people in EU feel this way, but it's just the CONDX, it's not a conspiracy. To work Palmyra from EU, you have to deal with the polar path. To work South Sandwich is easy from EU as you just point your antenna south.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KE4KY on January 24, 2016, 01:07:47 PM
Let's look at K5P shall we
Continent   Total QSOs   %
Africa   282   0.4
Antarctica   3   0.0
Asia.    23691   34.9
Europe   7074   10.4
North America   31256   46.1
Oceania   3173   4.7
South America   2314   3.4
Totals   67793   100.0

The divide between EU and NA on VP8 is about right,
The divide between EU and NA on K5P is not right but no one here cares as your all filling your boots with greenies,

Trevor
EI2GLB

Sorry I even posted the numbers. It seems you are so very quick to pounce on anything that you can use to drive wedges between NA ops and EU ops. We can't help who has the propagation and who doesn't.


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 24, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
Let's look at K5P shall we
Continent   Total QSOs   %
Africa   282   0.4
Antarctica   3   0.0
Asia.    23691   34.9
Europe   7074   10.4
North America   31256   46.1
Oceania   3173   4.7
South America   2314   3.4
Totals   67793   100.0

The divide between EU and NA on VP8 is about right,
The divide between EU and NA on K5P is not right but no one here cares as your all filling your boots with greenies,

Trevor
EI2GLB

So this is a "get even" dxpedition?"  Sorry Palmyra is hard to work from EU.  Looks like the K5P ops did what they could to work EU when they had prop.  Oh, and you might check the contributors page on the VP8STI website.  Glad to buy you a dxpedition.  Merry Xmas.

What really gets me steamed is that as soon as the 40m propagation to the EU Drops off at around 08:00Z the DQRM drops off dramatically!   If NA had been doing the same thing to the EU countries with K5P those guys would have had almost no contacts at all with K5P.


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 24, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
They may have to QRT early. Just in:

"Since early this morning, we have been experiencing blizzard like conditions with strong winds and heavy snow fall. Some of our antennas have become damaged by the high winds and the snow fall is making access to them very difficult.  It is also increasingly difficult to re-fuel our generators.

 Our biggest concern is our four tents, one of which has already been damaged by the high winds. We are in VHF communications with the Braveheart and we are discussing contingency plans to abort or shorten the DXpedition if safety requires.

 The Braveheart is unable to maintain their anchor position and is moving out to sea. We are currently active on three stations however we are becoming increasingly less confident that we can maintain this activity. Please know that we are doing our best under extreme circumstances to make contacts with the global DX Community. This DXpedition has thoroughly tested each member physically, mentally and spiritually. We pray for a safe return.

 We hope that we can continue however we feel the need to inform you that our activity may abruptly come to an end in the name of safety of our team and the crew of the Braveheart.

 Best wishes from the Intrepid-DX Group VP8STI Team."

Col MM0NDX
DX-World.net
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 24, 2016, 01:36:08 PM
I helped set up one of those tents for evaluation and I can imagine them taking a pounding from high winds.  Even if they went QRT right now, I still think the team has done a great job under tough conditions.  Good luck, guys.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 24, 2016, 01:42:20 PM
Col, thanks for the update. There's no need for them to suffer the bad situation. They should conserve some energy for the second part of their trip.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 24, 2016, 01:46:09 PM
Whining again Trevor - Jeezzz give it a rest - every dxped the same discussions from you.

K5P has been hard for EU to work - that's the bottom line. Too bad. Propagation has been terrible and worked against you. That's just the way its is.

Yup and I have a nice wad of greenies from em before you check - if K5P are calling and begging for QSO's you bet I am gonna work em!

You have 2 QSO's cfm'd so you got your ATNO - what's the issue. No wad of greenies- too bad.

On the flip VP8 is much easier for EU and a real bitch for us across the pole which has been hit again and again this week by auroras. Nice wad of greenies you have there. Go look at OC .. we are lucky to make 1 QSO and you know what .... we understand it and are ok with that.

So it's location location location and then some propagation on top.

I feel sorry for the K5P guys, some hard work activating a hard one only to be faced by a wall of grumpy old men who are happy to keyboard warriors tucked up at home with their families.

Like the VP8 guys - sitting on rock in the snow in the South Atlantic - jee I am happy to make just 1 QSO and make a donation. We need to be more thankful and less keyboard critics of dxpeds - we have no idea what they have faced to get there and what operating conditions they are facing ..... whether that is stuck in a tent on a ice bound rock or some stinking hot tropical island.

And having been to a few tropical islands there are usually anything but paradise ... unless your operating from the beach front of the country club!

Any dxped small large, big QSO rates or small, self funded holiday style or major DX funded expedition deserves a pat on the back - anytime its an ATNO - better than nothing!


And Trevor - I kinda don't feel any sympathy for EU to be honest - VP8 was asking for VK ZL and yet there is still a wall of continual callers from EU. So yeah what goes around comes around! I could show you screen video of my Flex 6500 where EU NEVER EVER stops calling - where I am desperate trying to work VP8 on 20 CW for ATNO with a constant barrage of DQRM from EU on top of them - and yes it's from EU as the callers were EU .. not from NA. Some need to have a real look at themselves.

So bottom line- There are places in the world that are hard for EU to work and easy for us and likewise. I am sure you all had a ball working Sao Tome - come here and have a go and see how hard it is. So it's relative. There will be some dxpeds that favour EU more ... some NA ... some Asia.

That's how it is - its not going to change. And it's going to get worse as the cycle progresses.

Bring it on ... I'll take the chance of one QSO vs none.

1 QSO cfm'd is a bonus versus no QSO and an empty slot on the DXCC chart.

I think some people need to take a sanity check - so much bitching about antennas etc - that was the deal ... come here and operate but your limited by what we say you can have.

The cluster comments make me sick - the best thing cluster ops can do is require a confirmed email account and track IP's and take some action against the vindictive comments from people who clearly don't understand propagation or read a bit about the operating conditions of the DXped.

Now I am looking forward to VP8 on SG and another new one ... .again I'll be happy with 1 QSO as will most OC ops.

See you in the pileups


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 24, 2016, 01:50:09 PM
They may have to QRT early. Just in:

"Since early this morning, we have been experiencing blizzard like conditions with strong winds and heavy snow fall. Some of our antennas have become damaged by the high winds and the snow fall is making access to them very difficult.  It is also increasingly difficult to re-fuel our generators.

 Our biggest concern is our four tents, one of which has already been damaged by the high winds. We are in VHF communications with the Braveheart and we are discussing contingency plans to abort or shorten the DXpedition if safety requires.

 The Braveheart is unable to maintain their anchor position and is moving out to sea. We are currently active on three stations however we are becoming increasingly less confident that we can maintain this activity. Please know that we are doing our best under extreme circumstances to make contacts with the global DX Community. This DXpedition has thoroughly tested each member physically, mentally and spiritually. We pray for a safe return.

 We hope that we can continue however we feel the need to inform you that our activity may abruptly come to an end in the name of safety of our team and the crew of the Braveheart.

 Best wishes from the Intrepid-DX Group VP8STI Team."

Col MM0NDX
DX-World.net

thanks Col

they have done a superb job - hope they get off the ice ok and safely.

thanks for the updates - they must be struggling even to pass that info over. So very much appreciated

Cheers

Simon ZL4PLM
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 24, 2016, 01:57:53 PM
They may have to QRT early. Just in:

"Since early this morning, we have been experiencing blizzard like conditions with strong winds and heavy snow fall. Some of our antennas have become damaged by the high winds and the snow fall is making access to them very difficult.  It is also increasingly difficult to re-fuel our generators.

 Our biggest concern is our four tents, one of which has already been damaged by the high winds. We are in VHF communications with the Braveheart and we are discussing contingency plans to abort or shorten the DXpedition if safety requires.

 The Braveheart is unable to maintain their anchor position and is moving out to sea. We are currently active on three stations however we are becoming increasingly less confident that we can maintain this activity. Please know that we are doing our best under extreme circumstances to make contacts with the global DX Community. This DXpedition has thoroughly tested each member physically, mentally and spiritually. We pray for a safe return.

 We hope that we can continue however we feel the need to inform you that our activity may abruptly come to an end in the name of safety of our team and the crew of the Braveheart.

 Best wishes from the Intrepid-DX Group VP8STI Team."

Col MM0NDX
DX-World.net

Col:

Thanks for the update. This news is really going to tick some people off, but safety comes first. I think the whole team has done an outstanding job and they don't need that kind of weather to put a damper on things. My hats off to the whole team and stay safe.

73 De Mike
VE3YF
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KF7CSO on January 24, 2016, 02:01:49 PM
The team is praying for a safe return. As am I. Wow.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3MEG on January 24, 2016, 02:04:08 PM
even though i'm not in the log i want them home safe. thats the number 1 priority.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 24, 2016, 02:06:44 PM
I helped set up one of those tents for evaluation and I can imagine them taking a pounding from high winds.  Even if they went QRT right now, I still think the team has done a great job under tough conditions.  Good luck, guys.

The tents don't look sturdy, what is the covering made of ?

Derigging and getting off the island will likely be very hairy.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 24, 2016, 02:11:43 PM
The tents don't look sturdy, what is the covering made of ?

Here's a photo taken when we set it up.  It looks like the same material any usual camping tent would be made of, with metal rods supporting it.  Certainly it has more rods than a usual tent.  The manufacturer rated it for this application, I think.  I don't claim any special knowledge of what makes a reasonable antarctic tent, but the fabric did seem thin to me at the time.

http://intrepid-dx.com/vp8/img/photos/large/10.jpg (http://intrepid-dx.com/vp8/img/photos/large/10.jpg)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 24, 2016, 02:12:20 PM
Thule Island wx

https://www.windyty.com/?2016-01-28-15,-59.488,-28.117,9

73 Col MM0NDX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 24, 2016, 02:20:14 PM
They may have to QRT early. Just in:

"Since early this morning, we have been experiencing blizzard like conditions with strong winds and heavy snow fall. Some of our antennas have become damaged by the high winds and the snow fall is making access to them very difficult.  It is also increasingly difficult to re-fuel our generators.

 Our biggest concern is our four tents, one of which has already been damaged by the high winds. We are in VHF communications with the Braveheart and we are discussing contingency plans to abort or shorten the DXpedition if safety requires.

 The Braveheart is unable to maintain their anchor position and is moving out to sea. We are currently active on three stations however we are becoming increasingly less confident that we can maintain this activity. Please know that we are doing our best under extreme circumstances to make contacts with the global DX Community. This DXpedition has thoroughly tested each member physically, mentally and spiritually. We pray for a safe return.

 We hope that we can continue however we feel the need to inform you that our activity may abruptly come to an end in the name of safety of our team and the crew of the Braveheart.

 Best wishes from the Intrepid-DX Group VP8STI Team."

Col MM0NDX
DX-World.net

Hope that the team gets off the island safely. They will know when it is the right time to pull the plug early if they need to. Their safety comes first and they have done a first rate job.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 24, 2016, 02:20:43 PM
https://www.windyty.com/?2016-01-28-15,-59.488,-28.117,9

That is a very cool site, actually.  Zoom out.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 24, 2016, 02:23:09 PM
https://www.windyty.com/?2016-01-28-15,-59.488,-28.117,9

That is a very cool site, actually.  Zoom out.
I click on it and it displays my local weather  ???
Anyone else having that issue?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 24, 2016, 02:23:24 PM
You didn't buy me anything buddy, I donated over $100 to the VP8 guys and 25euro to K5P, not sure why it's not showing on the donors page but I'm sure it will, so I paid my share, you guys here are constantly knocking EU someone has to stand up for our side of the world and I know that there is lots of DQRM from EU but there is lots from NA too,

The amount of NA calling and crying during the small EU openings to K5P on 20m is unreal even though you guys have hours and hours of prop and we get an hour if lucky,





,
Let's look at K5P shall we
Continent   Total QSOs   %
Africa   282   0.4
Antarctica   3   0.0
Asia.    23691   34.9
Europe   7074   10.4
North America   31256   46.1
Oceania   3173   4.7
South America   2314   3.4
Totals   67793   100.0

The divide between EU and NA on VP8 is about right,
The divide between EU and NA on K5P is not right but no one here cares as your all filling your boots with greenies,

Trevor
EI2GLB

So this is a "get even" dxpedition?"  Sorry Palmyra is hard to work from EU.  Looks like the K5P ops did what they could to work EU when they had prop.  Oh, and you might check the contributors page on the VP8STI website.  Glad to buy you a dxpedition.  Merry Xmas.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 24, 2016, 02:26:44 PM
Same as all you guys in NA not EU's fault the set up camp behind a huge mountain blocking them to there target audience,


 

The divide between EU and NA on VP8 is about right,
The divide between EU and NA on K5P is not right but no one here cares as your all filling your boots with greenies,

Trevor
EI2GLB

Hi Trevor,

I'm sorry people in EU feel this way, but it's just the CONDX, it's not a conspiracy. To work Palmyra from EU, you have to deal with the polar path. To work South Sandwich is easy from EU as you just point your antenna south.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 24, 2016, 02:27:07 PM
The amount of NA calling and crying during the small EU openings to K5P on 20m is unreal even though you guys have hours and hours of prop and we get an hour if lucky,

(http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/ae5x/ei2glb_zpsm7qw8guw.jpg)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 24, 2016, 02:28:52 PM
The tents don't look sturdy, what is the covering made of ?

Here's a photo taken when we set it up.  It looks like the same material any usual camping tent would be made of, with metal rods supporting it.  Certainly it has more rods than a usual tent.  The manufacturer rated it for this application, I think.  I don't claim any special knowledge of what makes a reasonable antarctic tent, but the fabric did seem thin to me at the time.

http://intrepid-dx.com/vp8/img/photos/large/10.jpg (http://intrepid-dx.com/vp8/img/photos/large/10.jpg)


Thanks. I was just mentally contrasting them with what was used for VK0IR and what  VK0EK is taking.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 24, 2016, 02:31:32 PM
Thule Island wx

https://www.windyty.com/?2016-01-28-15,-59.488,-28.117,9

73 Col MM0NDX

It's colder and windier now in my QTH actually, but I'm not in a tent. Keep safe.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 24, 2016, 02:34:24 PM
even though you guys have hours and hours of prop

Ha, ha, ha, NOT true, for either K5P or STI from here (unless you have tall towers & big antennas).

73
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 24, 2016, 02:34:48 PM
https://www.windyty.com/?2016-01-28-15,-59.488,-28.117,9

That is a very cool site, actually.  Zoom out.
I click on it and it displays my local weather  ???
Anyone else having that issue?

Type "Thule Island"
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 24, 2016, 02:35:01 PM
I'm looking well  ;D you can't have my lucky charms  :P



The amount of NA calling and crying during the small EU openings to K5P on 20m is unreal even though you guys have hours and hours of prop and we get an hour if lucky,

(http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/ae5x/ei2glb_zpsm7qw8guw.jpg)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 24, 2016, 02:35:12 PM
Thule Island wx

https://www.windyty.com/?2016-01-28-15,-59.488,-28.117,9

73 Col MM0NDX

It's colder and windier now in my QTH actually, but I'm not in a tent. Keep safe.

73 Marvin VE3VEE

Disregard that. I just noticed that the link did NOT show the WX at South Thulle Island, but it showed my local WX forecast.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 24, 2016, 02:36:06 PM
(http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/ae5x/ei2glb_zpsm7qw8guw.jpg)

  :D

What you lack in finesse you make up for with speed.  That is some fast photoshoppin'.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 24, 2016, 02:38:15 PM
Big search bar waiting for the letters "Thule Island" to be inserted.

Go for it: https://www.windyty.com/

73 Col
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 24, 2016, 02:42:18 PM
Big search bar waiting for the letters "Thule Island" to be inserted.

Go for it: https://www.windyty.com/

73 Col

Looks like wind wise it will be windy for the whole week and their planned departure date of the 27th does not look good, at close to 50kph...

73 De Mike
VE3YF
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 24, 2016, 02:44:17 PM

Same as all you guys in NA not EU's fault the set up camp behind a huge mountain blocking them to there target audience,

Trevor
EI2GLB

Trevor,

I'm sure the team would have chosen a better location if it were at all possible. No one blames them for anything.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 24, 2016, 02:46:18 PM
This is just a hobby.  When I read that the crew are praying for a safe return, I realize how bad it must be.  Get back safely.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 24, 2016, 02:46:42 PM
Big search bar waiting for the letters "Thule Island" to be inserted.

Go for it: https://www.windyty.com/

73 Col

OK, 50km/h wind, I would NOT want to be in a tent.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 24, 2016, 03:04:20 PM
I wonder if the rescue hut is still there.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WB4IUY on January 24, 2016, 03:34:54 PM
They're back on the air! Wow...they said the Braveheart (the big ship waiting on them) had to move back out to sea due to the storm. Staying on the island is tough to just fuel the generators, and they have tent and antenna damage from high winds and heavy snow. Sounds like they're stuck there and trying to make the best of it. It's only going to get worse, according to the weather report, doesn't sound good for them.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2NL on January 24, 2016, 04:03:00 PM
I think it was a poor decision to allow user-entered comments into DX spots.  The vast majority are beneficial to others, but it allows a vocal minority to be trolls.  It doesn't help the IK4 frustrated because he can't hear K5P to see a spot from a W6 that comments "Loud!" or "Easy!" or "tks 23rd band fill!".  The same thing applies on the flip side, for the W6 trying to work VP8 while their log looks like a carbon copy of the Italian call book.  It's easy to throw stones when you aren't looking someone in the face.  I sometimes let my blood pressure increase seeing some of the comments - but I remind myself to "take a chill pill" and don't feed the trolls.

It's easy to throw stones at EU because they don't stop calling when the DX is asking for another region - but one needs to consider that by percentage there is more activity on the HF bands in EU than elsewhere, possibly combined.  I speculate that the fraction of lids in NA is similar to that in EU; but since there is more EU activity you hear more lids calling.  Just listen to any NA pileup and see how many are calling when the DX asks for JA only or W8 only.  You should operate from the W. Pacific some time and hear all the JA lids - there are many!

I think it is more a cultural thing for some cultures to donate than others ( I know N6PSE already touched on this in his blog).  To disparage someone in EU because overall EU donations are a fraction of those from NA is completely unfair especially if that person donated a considerable amount himself.  VP8STI is largely an American led DXpedition; I wonder if this donation breakdown is the same for the Italian group who activates so many African entities so well, or for the UK group that has activated several Pacific entities over the past several years.  FYI, I donated to the VP8 team but it isn't listed - so their page isn't fully up to date - if someone should go look to see if someone posting here donated or not.

It's not K5P's fault that their NA percentage is so much higher than EU.  When I operate in contests from KH6YY, I am lucky to get a few short hours of EU propagation during the entire contest period, and that's with 1.5KW and large, stacked monoband yagis on tall towers.  EU pileups are painful to work (but necessary for a good score), due to weak auroral signals.  Solstice propagation makes things much worse.  I suspect most of the frustration is coming out of southern EU, which has the most difficult path to the central Pacific.  They are otherwise ideally located for most of the rest of the world so that it is unusual for them to have a Dxpedition they have trouble working.  Likewise, I am sure the VP8STI group didn't select their operating site just so there would be a mountain blocking some of NA (if that is even the case).  With large sponsor NCDXF based in W6 and co-leader N6PSE on the team - that's just absolutely silly.  Most likely it's the only semi-safe landing site on the entity.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 24, 2016, 04:17:25 PM
decent signal on 20m ssb. best I've heard them on 20m.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 24, 2016, 04:19:14 PM
If Dima is operating, I am willing to bet they will QRT soon.  Put your best op on a good band to close out the operation.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 24, 2016, 04:24:58 PM
If Dima is operating, I am willing to bet they will QRT soon.  Put your best op on a good band to close out the operation.

Judging by the speed, I'd say Dima is on 40m. 30m op doesn't sound like his fist.

30m louder here.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL4PLM on January 24, 2016, 04:29:49 PM
I think it was a poor decision to allow user-entered comments into DX spots.  The vast majority are beneficial to others, but it allows a vocal minority to be trolls.  It doesn't help the IK4 frustrated because he can't hear K5P to see a spot from a W6 that comments "Loud!" or "Easy!" or "tks 23rd band fill!".  The same thing applies on the flip side, for the W6 trying to work VP8 while their log looks like a carbon copy of the Italian call book.  It's easy to throw stones when you aren't looking someone in the face.  I sometimes let my blood pressure increase seeing some of the comments - but I remind myself to "take a chill pill" and don't feed the trolls.

It's easy to throw stones at EU because they don't stop calling when the DX is asking for another region - but one needs to consider that by percentage there is more activity on the HF bands in EU than elsewhere, possibly combined.  I speculate that the fraction of lids in NA is similar to that in EU; but since there is more EU activity you hear more lids calling.  Just listen to any NA pileup and see how many are calling when the DX asks for JA only or W8 only.  You should operate from the W. Pacific some time and hear all the JA lids - there are many!

I think it is more a cultural thing for some cultures to donate than others ( I know N6PSE already touched on this in his blog).  To disparage someone in EU because overall EU donations are a fraction of those from NA is completely unfair especially if that person donated a considerable amount himself.  VP8STI is largely an American led DXpedition; I wonder if this donation breakdown is the same for the Italian group who activates so many African entities so well, or for the UK group that has activated several Pacific entities over the past several years.  FYI, I donated to the VP8 team but it isn't listed - so their page isn't fully up to date - if someone should go look to see if someone posting here donated or not.

It's not K5P's fault that their NA percentage is so much higher than EU.  When I operate in contests from KH6YY, I am lucky to get a few short hours of EU propagation during the entire contest period, and that's with 1.5KW and large, stacked monoband yagis on tall towers.  EU pileups are painful to work (but necessary for a good score), due to weak auroral signals.  Solstice propagation makes things much worse.  I suspect most of the frustration is coming out of southern EU, which has the most difficult path to the central Pacific.  They are otherwise ideally located for most of the rest of the world so that it is unusual for them to have a Dxpedition they have trouble working.  Likewise, I am sure the VP8STI group didn't select their operating site just so there would be a mountain blocking some of NA (if that is even the case).  With large sponsor NCDXF based in W6 and co-leader N6PSE on the team - that's just absolutely silly.  Most likely it's the only semi-safe landing site on the entity.



Hey Dave

are you still serving on Guam?

I am ex-Navy and read your blog with interest :)

I read your post about the 10m QRM ... I can always tell the bands open to Asia due to the burbles whistles and general noise from Asia


yeah I think open access to the clusters are a terrible idea and it leaves it open to abuse as we have seen on K5P and VP8STI

Oh my comment wasn't an open season on EU ... I see the same from NA and sometimes from JA- although I think the JA problem is language related - they just don't get the accents sometimes .. maybe!

yeah everyone has that 'One' direction they hate!

VP8STI for us is incredibly hard - maybe 45-60 mins of decent sigs then gone on 20m

and while EU / JA maybe also calling

Donations - yeah touched on that before. And donations from OC always gonna be small. There is only maybe 30-40 ZL's really active and most of them are retirees!

Landings - yeah set down where you can - safely! I saw an article recent of some island that was just a pinacle .. no easy landing .. just rope across and climb! VP8 lost 1 op in the drink and a generator ... aim 1 get on and off the island in one piece! Sometimes there isn't one spot that serves everyone!

You gotta do with what what you have!  

:)

see you on 10m sometime soon Dave :)







 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2NL on January 24, 2016, 04:52:22 PM
Simon,

FYI my comments weren't directed toward anyone here, more based on what I've seen on Facebook and the Palmyra page and some of the criticism there.

I left Guam in 2014 and have been here in Hawaii, and anticipate being here until 2018.  Afterwards - perhaps back to KH2, or W4, or somewhere else (not sure).  No blog updates since there's really nothing I've found here yet on Oahu that hasn't been discovered and trampled over but a thousand tourists already.  Since I live a block from the Hickam AFB flight line, I set up a remote at home in W4 where I intend on retiring eventually - which allows me to chase DX from "home" and has been great for my sanity given my current "no antennas allowed" situation.  both the VP8 and KH5 are readily workable from Florida.  My good friend Ed, KH2L, has a much harder time with the VP8, for similar reasons as you.  I see he's been able to work them on 20, CW and SSB.  I know he's hoping for more.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AA6YQ on January 24, 2016, 05:15:13 PM
I think it was a poor decision to allow user-entered comments into DX spots.  The vast majority are beneficial to others, but it allows a vocal minority to be trolls.  It doesn't help the IK4 frustrated because he can't hear K5P to see a spot from a W6 that comments "Loud!" or "Easy!" or "tks 23rd band fill!".  The same thing applies on the flip side, for the W6 trying to work VP8 while their log looks like a carbon copy of the Italian call book.  It's easy to throw stones when you aren't looking someone in the face.  I sometimes let my blood pressure increase seeing some of the comments - but I remind myself to "take a chill pill" and don't feed the trolls.

The last thing we should do is let uneducated or barbaric ops spoil good technology. We should seek out the uneducated and educate them, and deny trolls the recognition they so plaintively seek by absolutely ignoring them.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WO7R on January 24, 2016, 05:30:50 PM
For better or worse, comments have to be enabled.

For one thing, we can learn if the DX is listening up or not.  Sometimes, we even get a QSL route or an IOTA designation.  Or, know that North Dakota is on.

For a lot of "lesser" awards, it can be surprisingly hard to get information on them.  But, a notation "SOTA xx-yyy" will tell a chaser all they need to know.

It can also tell you why there is a pileup on K0USA (as there was yesterday).

There's more to life than DXCC.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 24, 2016, 05:54:48 PM
There is no real good reason to disable comments.

To be honest, I get a kick out of some of the non-malicious ones.

We are human and we are adults and we can filter out the signal from the noise.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 24, 2016, 07:08:26 PM
Looking at the weather they should bugout at sunrise, weather should improve and give them a good head start to South Georgia.
Weather will close-in in 2 days. 

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 24, 2016, 07:16:23 PM
So tonight I got 30 and 40, along with 12 earlier today. All I need now is 160, 80 and 10 but probably not going to get them. I am happy with what I got though!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 24, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
The newly elected ARRL president K5UR is ranked #5 in the world on the DXCC Challenge.  And yet he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI.  What you guys think about that?  Maybe he doesn't really care what we think...

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 24, 2016, 09:41:55 PM
he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI

Where is the threshold at which hogging begins?  Ask 10 ehammers, I'll bet you would get 14 different answers.

Some people would say that you've been hogging them.  Heck, some people would say that I have.   :D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 24, 2016, 09:56:05 PM
Where is the threshold at which hogging begins?  Ask 10 ehammers, I'll bet you would get 14 different answers.

Let's begin by asking a very simple question.  If you work a dxpedition 27 times what award purpose does it serve other than to be at the top of the leaderboard for bragging rights?

How about asking the people who organize dxpeditions what defines 'DX hoggery'?

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 24, 2016, 10:02:05 PM
As far as I know you only need 9 QSO's to satisfy all the DXCC awards (individual bands, modes, etc)

They had some nice sigs on 30 tonight. I've been trying for a second band or mode for a while now but still have one QSO with them.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 24, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
If you work a dxpedition 27 times what award purpose does it serve other than to be at the top of the leaderboard for bragging rights?
I think there are few who would disagree with calling that DX hoggery.

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How about asking the people who organize dxpeditions what defines 'DX hoggery'?
Sure, why not?

There were some commenters over on DX World who felt that anything more than 1 QSO was unacceptable.  Imagine if that were community consensus.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 24, 2016, 10:20:40 PM
If you work a dxpedition 27 times what award purpose does it serve other than to be at the top of the leaderboard for bragging rights?
I think there are few who would disagree with calling that DX hoggery.
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You're correct.  I need to raise the threshold higher than 27 since someone on another thread reported a ham working K5P 121 times :D

How about asking the people who organize dxpeditions what defines 'DX hoggery'?
Sure, why not?

Next time when you meet Paul N6PSE ask him how he REALLY feels when someone works them 27 times and donates nothing :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 24, 2016, 10:24:21 PM
If you work a dxpedition 27 times what award purpose does it serve other than to be at the top of the leaderboard for bragging rights?
I think there are few who would disagree with calling that DX hoggery.
You're correct.  I need to raise the threshold higher than 27 since someone on another thread reported a ham working K5P 121 times :D

How about asking the people who organize dxpeditions what defines 'DX hoggery'?
Sure, why not?

There were some commenters over on DX World who felt that anything more than 1 QSO was unacceptable.  Imagine if that were community consensus.

Next time when you meet Paul N6PSE ask him how he REALLY feels when someone works them 27 times and donates nothing :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 24, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
As far as I know you only need 9 QSO's to satisfy all the DXCC awards (individual bands, modes, etc)

They had some nice sigs on 30 tonight. I've been trying for a second band or mode for a while now but still have one QSO with them.

Correct, and maybe 10 or 11 max if you first worked a slot on a different mode then filled in your other mode once there.

For the very life of me, I simply do not understand what purpose the 27 slot DXpedition thing serves.  But that horse has already been pummeled, so...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 24, 2016, 10:28:21 PM
Let's get back to my original question.  How does one feel about the ARRL president working VP8STI a total of 12 times including one dupe?

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 24, 2016, 10:30:53 PM
If you work a dxpedition 27 times what award purpose does it serve other than to be at the top of the leaderboard for bragging rights?
I think there are few who would disagree with calling that DX hoggery.

Quote
How about asking the people who organize dxpeditions what defines 'DX hoggery'?
Sure, why not?

There were some commenters over on DX World who felt that anything more than 1 QSO was unacceptable.  Imagine if that were community consensus.

That's the way it used to be, one Q with maybe an insurance Q. I have many of the rarer countries with just one hard fought Q, then came the six+ month wait to see if a card appeared in the mail !!

Nowadays the expeditions themselves frequently encourage working them on as many bands & modes as you want -  so people do ! An op like Rick, he's in and out of there in a few seconds anyway. Non issue.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 24, 2016, 10:34:08 PM
That's the way it used to be, one Q with maybe an insurance Q. I have many of the rarer countries with just one hard fought Q, then came the six+ month wait to see if a card appeared in the mail !!

Same here.  I have quite a few entities from when I was a teenager that were "one and done."  Mainly, I think, because that is all I could manage with my station at the time.   :D

These days, I would feel strongly tempted to work them on several bands, at least.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 24, 2016, 10:37:17 PM
That's the way it used to be, one Q with maybe an insurance Q. I have many of the rarer countries with just one hard fought Q, then came the six+ month wait to see if a card appeared in the mail !!

Same here.  I have quite a few entities from when I was a teenager that were "one and done."  Mainly, I think, because that is all I could manage with my station at the time.   :D

These days, I would feel strongly tempted to work them on several bands, at least.

 That was a big part of it too (still is) ;D ;D

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 24, 2016, 10:45:51 PM
These days, I would feel strongly tempted to work them on several bands, at least.

You have a nine-band, three-mode full sweep on K5P (shhh, don't tell Trevor).  Twenty five years later when KH5 is activated again would you have the urge to sweep them again?

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 24, 2016, 10:48:47 PM
These days, I would feel strongly tempted to work them on several bands, at least.

You have a nine-band, three-mode full sweep on K5P (shhh, don't tell Trevor).  Twenty five years later when KH5 is activated again would you have the urge to sweep them again?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Who knows how I will feel in 25 years?  I will be 74% older then, if I'm still alive.  I could see wanting to sweep them again, yes...  I wasn't aware that working Palmyra was a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 24, 2016, 10:55:57 PM
I wasn't aware that working Palmyra was a once in a lifetime opportunity.

I don't see you telling those here who haven't worked VP8STI that VP8-S isn't a once in a lifetime opportunity....  Unlike you we are not spring chickens :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 24, 2016, 11:04:12 PM
I don't see you telling those here who haven't worked VP8STI that VP8-S isn't a once in a lifetime opportunity....  Unlike you we are not spring chickens :D

When I am old and grey and just need one Q for #1 HR, and keep getting beat out by the guys who have it confirmed already, perhaps I'll change my tune.

When you are old and grey and have worked everything, and some new guy tells you to get off the air because you've worked it all already, perhaps you'll change yours.  ;)

73,
Mike
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AA6YQ on January 24, 2016, 11:14:06 PM
The newly elected ARRL president K5UR is ranked #5 in the world on the DXCC Challenge.  And yet he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI.  What you guys think about that?  Maybe he doesn't really care what we think...

How do you know what band and mode slots K5UR still needs for DXCC Challenge and DXCC Honor Role?

Maybe he's on a mission to work them all again with 100 watts and wire antennas, or using QRP. Would there be something wrong with that?

Maybe his local DX club is holding a competition to see who can work VP8STI on the most band-mode combinations. Would there be something wrong with that?

VP8STI hasn't announced any prohibition of such activities over the air, via their pilots, on their web page, or via the DXing media. It's not our place to fabricate prohibitions on their behalf.







Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 24, 2016, 11:56:30 PM
VP8STI hasn't announced any prohibition of such activities over the air, via their pilots, on their web page, or via the DXing media. It's not our place to fabricate prohibitions on their behalf.

The team has disabled the leaderboard feature on Clublog.  Whether disabling the leaderboard has a positive effect or not is up for debate.  But one thing is clear is that the dxpedition team discourages the behavior of working them on every band/mode slots.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 24, 2016, 11:58:49 PM
Not so good news from the team.  Now the South Georgia activation might be in jeopardy.  Let's hope the crew is safe and the weather god gives them mercy.  Keeping my fingers crossed on the South Georgia activation.

January 25 @ 07:20z -  Past night two tents and most of the yagis were destroyed by high winds. Both of their main tents collapsed partially and the team worked very hard through the night to save them. The Braveheart recorded winds of 70 mph (112 Kph). They are running only on 40 meters due antenna damage. Once they can assess damage they can determine whether they can proceed to South Georgia or not. Right now they are doing last QSO as VP8STI – they have asked the Braveheart to extract them when it´s possible. They regret that they have fallen short of their plans , however the team and crew safety is most important.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 25, 2016, 12:36:00 AM
Wow.
VP8SSI redux.   
Hope they all extract without injury.
73
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AA6YQ on January 25, 2016, 12:51:59 AM
VP8STI hasn't announced any prohibition of such activities over the air, via their pilots, on their web page, or via the DXing media. It's not our place to fabricate prohibitions on their behalf.
The team has disabled the leaderboard feature on Clublog.  Whether disabling the leaderboard has a positive effect or not is up for debate.  But one thing is clear is that the dxpedition team discourages the behavior of working them on every band/mode slots.

That's not at all clear. What we know is that the VP8STI team is not sponsoring a Leaderboard competition. That doesn't mean they object to DXing clubs holding VP8STI Leaderboard competitions, or that they object to individual DXers striving to work all band-mode combinations. If they objected to these behaviors, they could plainly say so on their web page  and through the other communication channels I've previously mentioned. But to my knowledge, they have not done so.

They have much more important issues on their minds now. My thoughts are with them...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 25, 2016, 01:20:37 AM
Not so good news from the team.  Now the South Georgia activation might be in jeopardy.  Let's hope the crew is safe and the weather god gives them mercy.  Keeping my fingers crossed on the South Georgia activation.

January 25 @ 07:20z -  Past night two tents and most of the yagis were destroyed by high winds. Both of their main tents collapsed partially and the team worked very hard through the night to save them. The Braveheart recorded winds of 70 mph (112 Kph). They are running only on 40 meters due antenna damage. Once they can assess damage they can determine whether they can proceed to South Georgia or not. Right now they are doing last QSO as VP8STI – they have asked the Braveheart to extract them when it´s possible. They regret that they have fallen short of their plans , however the team and crew safety is most important.

Wow, it sounds like wx went from bad to worse down there. I hope they all get extracted safely.

I guess South Georgia will depend on whether they can safely continue and whether they have enough equipment / antennas to continue.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: M0TTB on January 25, 2016, 02:33:15 AM


Wow, it sounds like wx went from bad to worse down there. I hope they all get extracted safely.

I guess South Georgia will depend on whether they can safely continue and whether they have enough equipment / antennas to continue.

On the whole South Georgia, from WX and safe harborage standpoint, is very different to Thule Island. I guess it will be down to equipment if they have to cancel that.
My hope is that they can safely get off Thule, I'm not sure I'd want to be on the Braveheart down there in bad wx, let alone a Zodiac.

It's certainly a far cry from the K5P dxped.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 25, 2016, 04:08:15 AM
Let's get back to my original question.  How does one feel about the ARRL president working VP8STI a total of 12 times including one dupe?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jonathan:

You seem to have a real issue with the Pres (ARRL) working VP8STI so many times.

Why don't you tell us what you really feel on this subject...

I myself don't have an issue, as I don't buy into the fact that he is stealing QSO's from others. Not sure what you are calling a dupe, worked more than once on the same band even though a different mode. If that is what you are calling a dupe, so be it. There are always lulls in DXpeditions and making a second contact on the same band albeit in another mode is not what I would call a dupe, but to each his own.

73 De Mike
VE3YF
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 25, 2016, 04:20:48 AM
Cluster spots say they're QRT.  Don't know if that is true, but I wish them a safe departure.  Scary.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 25, 2016, 04:30:51 AM
Cluster spots say they're QRT.  Don't know if that is true, but I wish them a safe departure.  Scary.

Mike:

I think and could be wrong but they might be QRT. DX World reported at 07:20z, they were only on 40m due to lots of antennae got trashed and tents damaged. DX World indicated that they were looking at getting extracted from the island. Lets hope that they are still safe and can get extracted without injury etc. Next part of the DXxpedition might be in jeopardy due to damaged equipment, but safety comes first. Lots of spots still on the cluster on various bands...WFWL....

73 De Mike
VE3YF
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: M0TTB on January 25, 2016, 04:33:38 AM
Via VP8LP and then VP8NO,
As of 11:00Z today 25th they report that the intention is to continue onto SG to operate as planned.
All is well and they plan to remain QRV as long as possible whilst packing up.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 25, 2016, 04:35:37 AM
Via VP8LP and then VP8NO,
As of 11:00Z today 25th they report that the intention is to continue onto SG to operate as planned.
All is well and they plan to remain QRV as long as possible whilst packing up.

Andy:

Good news that all is well....Tnx for the update....

73 De Mike
VE3YF
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 25, 2016, 05:09:00 AM
The newly elected ARRL president K5UR is ranked #5 in the world on the DXCC Challenge.  And yet he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI.  What you guys think about that?  Maybe he doesn't really care what we think...

73,
Jonathan W6GX

DXing is not a charity; its a competitive activity. 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K4JK on January 25, 2016, 05:15:44 AM
Glad the team is OK. I hope they are able to extract safely, sounds like a harrowing task.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 25, 2016, 05:20:37 AM
"Log update in progress" at ClubLog

My 40m cw contact is in their log !!!!!!!

So is Cousin Vinnie's ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D....Finally a reason to smile..Country 292 in the boot.....no more...now a rest before on to S. Georgia for the South America completion..
V
K3NRX

Hey Vince..... CONGRATS!!!

BTW, when did U work CE0X?  I still need that one and S.Ga.

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 25, 2016, 05:25:04 AM
The newly elected ARRL president K5UR is ranked #5 in the world on the DXCC Challenge.  And yet he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI.  What you guys think about that?  Maybe he doesn't really care what we think...

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I think its fantastic that the new president is a DX-er. I think the ARRL needs to do more with the DXCC Program - especially since there are so many teams now raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to put on these DX-peditions. This is no longer yer fathers DXCC program . . . .

I welcome the new President and hope he improves the DXCC program. I hope he asks for thoughtful suggestions for improvement. The fact that he is a "rabid DX-er" is all the better IMHO.

HOWEVER - I don't think it would be unfair to ask him why, as the new President and uber DX-er why he made all those QSO's and dupes. I'd love to hear his reasoning - vs. our "conjecture". But again - so glad a Dx-er is at the helm now, this can only be good for the DXCC program, and I think some attention does need to be paid to the program. I'd love to know more about what goes on as far as administering the program goes - we get zero news regarding the program that we all are clamoring for and OCD about.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 25, 2016, 05:30:38 AM
Via VP8LP and then VP8NO,
As of 11:00Z today 25th they report that the intention is to continue onto SG to operate as planned.
All is well and they plan to remain QRV as long as possible whilst packing up.

That is great. I did see some spots on some other bands after they went QRT on 40 (20m and 15 I think?) I would think even if they can a handful of bands and they can get off thule and to the VP8SGI site safely.. then why not get what you can get on the air?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 25, 2016, 05:34:58 AM
The newly elected ARRL president K5UR is ranked #5 in the world on the DXCC Challenge.  And yet he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI.  What you guys think about that?  Maybe he doesn't really care what we think...

73,
Jonathan W6GX

DXing is not a charity; its a competitive activity.  

I disagree emphatically but respectfully.  I agree with W6GX that the deactivated leaderboard can be read as a message from the team.  I don't think working a DXped on 27 slots ever in any circumstance serves any noteworthy goal or purpose, and I do think that in some cases it takes away another's opportunity for a QSO.  Have no problem with a station working once per band and once per mode wherever that falls.  These are my opinions.

I hope the team is doing okay.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB8GAE on January 25, 2016, 05:42:21 AM
The newly elected ARRL president K5UR is ranked #5 in the world on the DXCC Challenge.  And yet he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI.  What you guys think about that?  Maybe he doesn't really care what we think...

I’m fine with K5UR working VP8STI 12 times.

IMHO a DXer that complies with the requests of DX station he is pursuing, follows the DX Code of conduct as well as the rules for any awards applied for, and adheres to their country's amateur radio regulations, is demonstrating a level of sportsmanship that I find no fault with.

A Dxer who stays out of the fray because he has already has a rare entity confirmed and wants others to have a chance is demonstrating a level of sportsmanship I find admirable.

Rich KB8GAE




Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 25, 2016, 05:48:11 AM
The newly elected ARRL president K5UR is ranked #5 in the world on the DXCC Challenge.  And yet he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI.  What you guys think about that?  Maybe he doesn't really care what we think...

73,
Jonathan W6GX

DXing is not a charity; its a competitive activity.  

I disagree emphatically but respectfully.  I agree with W6GX that the deactivated leaderboard can be read as a message from the team.  I don't think working a DXped on 27 slots ever in any circumstance serves any noteworthy goal or purpose, and I do think that in some cases it takes away another's opportunity for a QSO.  Have no problem with a station working once per band and once per mode wherever that falls.  These are my opinions.


I hope the team is doing okay.

K5UR had dupes on three bands - and some of those could very well have been insurance contacts given that the log updates were rather infrequent.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 05:51:52 AM
DXing is not a charity; its a competitive activity. 

Contests are a great option for competition.  IMHO treating a top ten dxpedition as some form of a contest is disrespect to those who are looking for just one contact to advance his/her DXCC standings.

Mike VE3YF had asked me what I meant by 'dupe'.  A 'dupe' is working a specific band mode combination more than once.  For example, working a DX on 12m CW twice is one dupe.  As mentioned previously, the on-line log is there to help reduce the occurrence of dupes.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 25, 2016, 05:57:32 AM
As far as I know you only need 9 QSO's to satisfy all the DXCC awards (individual bands, modes, etc)

They had some nice sigs on 30 tonight. I've been trying for a second band or mode for a while now but still have one QSO with them.

Correct, and maybe 10 or 11 max if you first worked a slot on a different mode then filled in your other mode once there.

For the very life of me, I simply do not understand what purpose the 27 slot DXpedition thing serves.  But that horse has already been pummeled, so...

I was trying for only 9 with K1N but it wound up being 11 as my rtty and first phone Q with them happened to be on the same band I previously worked them on CW. I easily could have worked many more with that one for "greenies" but what I had was enough. With most dxpeditions.. I am lucky if I can work more than 2 or 3. Some, like VP8STI and K5P I have only managed to get one Q with each. I've tried for more but have not been successful.

I am with you on the 27 slot thing.. I don't understand the purpose of working them in all of those slots.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 05:58:38 AM
The fact that he is a "rabid DX-er" is all the better IMHO.

I think the more appropriate term to describe K5UR is a "rabid contester" :o  Expect to see ARRL sponsored leaderboard competitions for top ten dxpeditions!

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 25, 2016, 06:00:17 AM
The newly elected ARRL president K5UR is ranked #5 in the world on the DXCC Challenge.  And yet he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI.  What you guys think about that?  Maybe he doesn't really care what we think...

73,
Jonathan W6GX

DXing is not a charity; its a competitive activity.  

I disagree emphatically but respectfully.  I agree with W6GX that the deactivated leaderboard can be read as a message from the team.  I don't think working a DXped on 27 slots ever in any circumstance serves any noteworthy goal or purpose, and I do think that in some cases it takes away another's opportunity for a QSO.  Have no problem with a station working once per band and once per mode wherever that falls.  These are my opinions.


I hope the team is doing okay.

K5UR had dupes on three bands - and some of those could very well have been insurance contacts given that the log updates were rather infrequent.



Did you read K5UR's QRZ bio.  Staggering!  I'm also glad our new Prez is a DXer!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W7WQ on January 25, 2016, 06:01:26 AM
I've never understood the OCD thing with working someone on every band, every mode.  I guess it's just whatever floats your boat.  That doesn't mean it's a positive thing though.  I do believe if more people just worked them once, it would by and large be a more enjoyable hobby.  Like it used to be.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 06:03:31 AM
But again - so glad a Dx-er is at the helm now, this can only be good for the DXCC program, and I think some attention does need to be paid to the program. I'd love to know more about what goes on as far as administering the program goes - we get zero news regarding the program that we all are clamoring for and OCD about.

And it would be wonderful if the ARRL could assist in getting the financial model of dxpeditioning in order.  That could be a positive if K5UR is fanatical when it comes to top ten activations :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: OZ8AGB on January 25, 2016, 06:04:32 AM
It's not OCD. It's CQD (Compulsive QSO disorder). Make up more disorders yourself.  ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 06:08:30 AM
IMHO a DXer that complies with the requests of DX station he is pursuing, follows the DX Code of conduct as well as the rules for any awards applied for, and adheres to their country's amateur radio regulations, is demonstrating a level of sportsmanship that I find no fault with.

With due respect this is similar to saying it's totally acceptable for the President of the United States to grow a pot farm in Colorado so as long as he/she adheres to the local and federal regulations.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 25, 2016, 06:11:11 AM
It's not OCD. It's CQD (Compulsive QSO disorder). Make up more disorders yourself.  ;D

I like this! 
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 25, 2016, 06:16:43 AM
DXing is not a charity; its a competitive activity. 

Contests are a great option for competition.  IMHO treating a top ten dxpedition as some form of a contest is disrespect to those who are looking for just one contact to advance his/her DXCC standings.

Mike VE3YF had asked me what I meant by 'dupe'.  A 'dupe' is working a specific band mode combination more than once.  For example, working a DX on 12m CW twice is one dupe.  As mentioned previously, the on-line log is there to help reduce the occurrence of dupes.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jonathan:

I fail to see where in the case of K5UR has had 3 dupes.

The fact that he has worked 2 modes on 20, 40 and 80 and the rest of his contacts are only single band/modes, how does that constitute a dupe. By working the same mode twice on the same band is what I would call a dupe.

In order to get DXCC on all modes and all bands you might have to work as much as possible, Maybe this is what he is going for.

But I have never been told that I am a dupe by the operator because I have worked same band but different mode. However daily or almost daily I hear VP8STI or K5P saying that a given callsign is a dupe, where he has worked same band same/mode more than once, but this is not the case of K5UR, or am I missing something.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 06:21:48 AM
But I have never been told that I am a dupe by the operator because I have worked same band but different mode. However daily or almost daily I hear VP8STI or K5P saying that a given callsign is a dupe, where he has worked same band same/mode more than once, but this is not the case of K5UR, or am I missing something.

Hi Mike,

K5UR worked VP8STI on 160m CW twice.  That's considered as one dupe.  I didn't make any references that he made three dupes.  I think someone else said that.

A dupe is universally frowned upon by dxpedition organizers.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB8GAE on January 25, 2016, 06:23:14 AM
IMHO a DXer that complies with the requests of DX station he is pursuing, follows the DX Code of conduct as well as the rules for any awards applied for, and adheres to their country's amateur radio regulations, is demonstrating a level of sportsmanship that I find no fault with.

With due respect this is similar to saying it's totally acceptable for the President of the United States to grow a pot farm in Colorado so as long as he/she adheres to the local and federal regulations.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jonathan,

I don’t want to sidetrack the thread but I don’t see your logic.

Would not a pot farm in Colorado be violating federal regulations?

My understanding is the Feds just chose not to enforce existing regulations against pot.

Is there a different example you could use?

73's Rich KB8GAE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 06:29:51 AM
Would not a pot farm in Colorado be violating federal regulations?

Since Obama is the president he has the power to make it federally legal in Colorado :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 25, 2016, 06:45:34 AM
Let's get back to my original question.  How does one feel about the ARRL president working VP8STI a total of 12 times including one dupe?

73,
Jonathan W6GX
I'm glad. The one dupe - big deal. The number of band slots he worked is no one's business but his own. We all have (or should have) our own personal goals as DXers, apart from formal awards programs like DXCC, WAZ, etc. One of my own goals is 8B-2(DXCC) - I want to work 200 entities on 10-80 meters and I'm almost there. Then I'll formulate a new goal.

I also want to contribute to DXpeditions, and I don't mean just financially but in terms of activity. Can you imagine if the only people calling a big-time DXpedition were those seeking it for an ATNO? If that were the case, the amount of contacts made by the team would hardly seem to justify their trip there - activity and callers would cease after 3 days.

They go to these remote locations not just to provide a New One on whatever bands/modes the callers seek but also to experience the rush of being on the business end of a massive pile-up and I'm happy to accomodate them.

My beef is not with "greenie collectors" but with those who go about DXing in a bullying sort of way. See N4KC's article here:
http://www.eham.net/articles/36023
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 25, 2016, 06:47:58 AM
But I have never been told that I am a dupe by the operator because I have worked same band but different mode. However daily or almost daily I hear VP8STI or K5P saying that a given callsign is a dupe, where he has worked same band same/mode more than once, but this is not the case of K5UR, or am I missing something.

Hi Mike,

K5UR worked VP8STI on 160m CW twice.  That's considered as one dupe.  I didn't make any references that he made three dupes.  I think someone else said that.

A dupe is universally frowned upon by dxpedition organizers.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Hi Jonathan:

I see what you mean and totally agree. One question though, and it is something that probably has slipped my mind (More than likely) how can you tell that he has worked a given band/mode more than once. In K5UR's case I see he worked 160cw, but don't see where he worked the same slot more than once. Take it easy on my I am by no means a computer guru or geek. Tnx.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 25, 2016, 06:50:44 AM
Let's get back to my original question.  How does one feel about the ARRL president working VP8STI a total of 12 times including one dupe?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jon: He does have a dupe on 160 but I don't fault him for that. VP8STI has had a tough time getting the logs updated and since 160 is such a tough band to get a good contact on, an insurance Q is probably not unreasonable. However, I do agree that it's not really necessary to have multiple mode QSO's on the same band. As long as you have one of each (CW, SSB, and Digital) across the bands, that's all that's really necessary. Why hog the airwaves otherwise? We have a couple around here that always try to be on the top of the Leaderboard and I've never understood the logic behind it. Anyway, I'm glad that more and more DX'peditions are opting out of using the Leaderboard.

John K7KB
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 25, 2016, 06:53:53 AM
The fact that someone has a single dupe is not indicative of any behavior whatsoever - especially on 160 meters.  A band where you may not be certain that you make a valid QSO or not.  Perhaps you thought you worked it, perhaps you weren't sure.  So you worked it again.

I reiterate my point: DXing is not a charity and its not social security.  Nobody is guaranteed to work every station on every band.  Otherwise there would be no challenge.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 25, 2016, 07:02:11 AM
I like the leaderboard, it lets me see how other club members are doing.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 25, 2016, 07:21:57 AM
But I have never been told that I am a dupe by the operator because I have worked same band but different mode. However daily or almost daily I hear VP8STI or K5P saying that a given callsign is a dupe, where he has worked same band same/mode more than once, but this is not the case of K5UR, or am I missing something.

Hi Mike,

K5UR worked VP8STI on 160m CW twice.  That's considered as one dupe.  I didn't make any references that he made three dupes.  I think someone else said that.

A dupe is universally frowned upon by dxpedition organizers.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

SO WHAT? There are many good reasons this could occur. The main one being doubt about one's  call being copied properly. I have an animated cartoon GIF somewhere showing a horse being beaten, need to find it.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 25, 2016, 07:45:44 AM
I hope these guys are packing up and leaving today, bad weather is on the way.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 07:49:41 AM
SO WHAT? There are many good reasons this could occur. The main one being doubt about one's  call being copied properly. I have an animated cartoon GIF somewhere showing a horse being beaten, need to find it.

Would you twitch if K5UR already has VP8-S confirmed on 160m?  Based on his location I bet the ones he still need are in Asia.  Check out his stats on QRZ if you haven't done so already.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 25, 2016, 07:57:07 AM
SO WHAT? There are many good reasons this could occur. The main one being doubt about one's  call being copied properly. I have an animated cartoon GIF somewhere showing a horse being beaten, need to find it.

Would you twitch if K5UR already has VP8-S confirmed on 160m?  Based on his location I bet the ones he still need are in Asia.  Check out his stats on QRZ if you haven't done so already.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

No, I would not.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 25, 2016, 07:58:48 AM
From dx-world.net

NEWS UPDATE @ 15:15Z – Everybody is OK after worst part of the storm has passed. They made antenna repairs and they will be on the air with four stations until tomorrow morning.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 07:59:18 AM
SO WHAT? There are many good reasons this could occur. The main one being doubt about one's  call being copied properly. I have an animated cartoon GIF somewhere showing a horse being beaten, need to find it.

Would you twitch if K5UR already has VP8-S confirmed on 160m?  Based on his location I bet the ones he still need are in Asia.  Check out his stats on QRZ if you haven't done so already.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

No, I would not.

I'm not surprised.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1NK on January 25, 2016, 08:02:12 AM
Quote
NEWS UPDATE @ 15:15Z – Everybody is OK after worst part of the storm has passed. They made antenna repairs and they will be on the air with four stations until tomorrow morning.

Whew!

Good news indeed!  Glad to hear the team members are safe and came through the worst.

Frank, W1NK
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 25, 2016, 08:07:56 AM

You're correct.  I need to raise the threshold higher than 27 since someone on another thread reported a ham working K5P 121 times :D


73,
Jonathan W6GX

How about using a call since many probably know who you're referring to?  If/when I work that person I want to ask him why he felt the need to work K5P 121 times.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 25, 2016, 08:13:58 AM

You're correct.  I need to raise the threshold higher than 27 since someone on another thread reported a ham working K5P 121 times :D


73,
Jonathan W6GX

How about using a call since many probably know who you're referring to?  If/when I work that person I want to ask him why he felt the need to work K5P 121 times.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Chris:

I agree, as I would like to know who had it so easy. It has been a real struggle for me to work K5P. I would like to see this guys antenna farm. I probably could learn something from him. I am quite surprised the Ops at K5P would allow this to happen, their logging software should have picked up all the dupes..dupes to the extreme. 1 callsign from MO or OK comes to mind, but I highly doubt it is him....

I found him, check the other going thread about dupes.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K9IUQ on January 25, 2016, 08:15:54 AM
SO WHAT? There are many good reasons this could occur. The main one being doubt about one's  call being copied properly.

EXACTLY RIGHT. I had this happen to me on K5P on 160 mtrs. Their log says 2 Q's but I only worked them once and they are only in my log once on 160mtrs.  I imagine they called me and some other station gave them a 599 TU and I did not hear them call me.

Any way it seems to me there is way too much whining about filling the Greenie Bingo Cards and the Leaderboard. My goals may not be the same as other Hams. SO WHAT? You do what you need to do and I will operate within my Goals. As long as I operate Legally, it is my business  whether I fill in greenies and do multiple bands/modes.

Duping the same band/mode more than once is not something I would do intentionally.

Stan K9IUQ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 25, 2016, 08:29:15 AM
SO WHAT? There are many good reasons this could occur. The main one being doubt about one's  call being copied properly.

EXACTLY RIGHT. I had this happen to me on K5P on 160 mtrs. Their log says 2 Q's but I only worked them once and they are only in my log once on 160mtrs.  I imagine they called me and some other station gave them a 599 TU and I did not hear them call me.

Any way it seems to me there is way too much whining about filling the Greenie Bingo Cards and the Leaderboard. My goals may not be the same as other Hams. SO WHAT? You do what you need to do and I will operate within my Goals. As long as I operate Legally, it is my business  whether I fill in greenies and do multiple bands/modes.

Duping the same band/mode more than once is not something I would do intentionally.

Stan K9IUQ

It's perfectly legal to knock old ladies out of the way in the aisle of a grocery store, but legality doesn't make it right.  :)

And I again think the "so what" is that some types of behavior may be / is negatively impacting a fellow DXer.  Unfortunately we all have to share the same finite limited resource.

No more from me - all entitled to opinions.  Glad to hear the crew's okay.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA8UEG on January 25, 2016, 08:38:53 AM
And I felt bad because I was not sure at all if my 20 & 17 contacts were good (I didn't even log the 20 meter contact as they faded out after I heard what I thought was my call). So with time growing short and their signal extremely weak if even present I had an opportunity for a very solid contact on 15 which I took only to find out my 20 & 17 were both in the log when they finally uploaded.

To many people need VP8STI for an ATNO to be adding to the mayhem for, in most cases, useless band fills.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W2IRT on January 25, 2016, 09:14:54 AM
The newly elected ARRL president K5UR is ranked #5 in the world on the DXCC Challenge.  And yet he's hogging band/mode slots on VP8STI.  What you guys think about that?  Maybe he doesn't really care what we think...

I’m fine with K5UR working VP8STI 12 times.

IMHO a DXer that complies with the requests of DX station he is pursuing, follows the DX Code of conduct as well as the rules for any awards applied for, and adheres to their country's amateur radio regulations, is demonstrating a level of sportsmanship that I find no fault with.

A Dxer who stays out of the fray because he has already has a rare entity confirmed and wants others to have a chance is demonstrating a level of sportsmanship I find admirable.

Rich KB8GAE

I couldn't say it any better myself, Rich. I'm an admitted and happy Greenie Hunter but will never go against stated or implied wishes of the team or anything else. And for the ultra-rare operations like BS7 or P5, there's no way in hell I'd go after greenies or anything other than 1 Q per mode available. Plus I stay out of the frey for subsequent DXpeditions unless I'm trying for a personal-best Marathon year...and that's 1 Q.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 25, 2016, 10:49:05 AM
VP8STI plans to be on 160m CW and 40m SSB tonight.

73 Col MM0NDX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 25, 2016, 11:19:09 AM
VP8STI plans to be on 160m CW and 40m SSB tonight.
73 Col MM0NDX
Thanks, I will be listening on 40M. 160M is out of the question here.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5PS on January 25, 2016, 11:52:14 AM
VP8STI plans to be on 160m CW and 40m SSB tonight.

73 Col MM0NDX

Any chance of a little more 30m RTTY? There's been a few periods where I've heard them on CW calling CQ instead of getting callers.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 25, 2016, 11:56:21 AM
Slightly surprised they aren't calling for ATNO only.  Or maybe they are?  I've stopped listening.  Don't want to grow too curly a tail...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 25, 2016, 12:00:15 PM
Gud sig into CT right now on 21024. Very little spread, if any, for the calling stations.  Hope everyone who needs him gets him.

Pete
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 25, 2016, 01:09:29 PM
I'm sure glad I worked them when I did on RTTY.

Looks like the antennas are somewhat OK, surprised that they will be on 160m.  I thought for sure that antenna was toast.

Thank goodness they are all OK!

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 25, 2016, 01:36:43 PM
For those of you who have not seen these two videos,  VP8THU and VP8GEO, by James Brooks 9V1YC
What a talent - fantastic videographer and narrator.
Also shows how great the Braveheart crew really is.

https://vimeo.com/121317593

https://vimeo.com/121317595

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N7SMI on January 25, 2016, 02:37:23 PM
Slightly surprised they aren't calling for ATNO only.  Or maybe they are?

I personally think this doesn't work and is generally an exercise in frustration. The overhead of calling for ATNOs is significant. And MANY people have no idea what it means anyway (especially those that do not fluently speak English). All time new DXCC? New band? New mode? New band/mode? And what should the DXPedition do when hundreds of people already in the log call them anyway? Try to ignore them? Scold them and tell them to go away? Both are an invitation for DQRM. What if someone calls that is in the log, but the DXpedition logged the first QSO incorrectly. Now they have denied someone an ATNO that had a chance.

The best strategy for maximizing ATNOs is for the DXpedition to log lots of stations, minimize band/modes offered, and maximize the time calling for specific regions during their band openings.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: MM0NDX on January 25, 2016, 02:42:54 PM
EMERGENCY DECLARED - QRT, QRT, QRT

NEWS UPDATE @ 21:20Z - Nigel Jolly, Braveheart owner, declared an emergency and ordered the VP8STI team to cease all operations and return to the ship. A large ice flow that had broken away due to last night’s storm starts to block the entrance to the Bay where they were camped. There was strong potential for the ice flow to prevent Braveheart reaching  them.

The Team is now safely aboard the Braveheart and they are moving away from Southern Thule Is. All equipment and personal gear is still on the island. They hope to return to camp site during next good weather window. Once they retrieve their equipment they could make a determination as to whether they can proceed to South Georgia to do VP8SGI as planned – VP8STI QRT !

http://www.dx-world.net/

Col MM0NDX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AE5X on January 25, 2016, 02:56:05 PM
Wow, this is one set to go down in the history books. Glad they're all okay. I worked them on 15m for a new band about an hour ago.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 25, 2016, 02:59:58 PM
A very smart move by Nigel, sun going down and ice moving in.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 25, 2016, 03:05:36 PM
Thank God they are all safe. Equipment can easily be replaced (if need be). Nigel is very experienced - I met him this past summer at Bob, KK6EK's house. When you meet him - you instantly know he is an expert at what he does. He is also very "creative" - the most interesting part of that VP8THU video is how he figured out exactly where to land the team on South Thule Island. How they have to get on and off that island is amazing.



Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 03:05:50 PM
I wish the team a safe passage during this very difficult and trying time.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 03:07:45 PM
Thank God they are all safe. Equipment can easily be replaced (if need be). Nigel is very experienced - I met him this past summer at Bob, KK6EK's house. When you meet him - you instantly know he is an expert at what he does. He is also very "creative" - the most interesting part of that VP8THU video is how he figured out exactly where to land the team on South Thule Island. How they have to get on and off that island is amazing.

It's good to hear that and have Nigel as their guardian angel.  I'm sure if you ask the team members they will tell you that Nigel is very much part of the team.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 25, 2016, 03:09:22 PM
Absolutely incredible story.  All thoughts with the team and ship.  And as always Col great job keeping everyone informed.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 25, 2016, 03:11:53 PM
This is really starting to get dangerous. Good thing Nigel spotted the ice flow and got to them in time. The whole VP8 crew will definitely have some good stories to pass on once back at home. Glad to hear that everyone is safe and sound.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KF7CSO on January 25, 2016, 03:12:15 PM
Thank God they are safe on board.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 25, 2016, 03:18:16 PM
Glad to hear everyone made it aboard safe!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 25, 2016, 03:18:59 PM
Wow!  What an adventure.  I am sure they will enjoy it much better in retrospect, telling the story over a beer somewhere, than they are right now.  Hope they are able to get their gear and get out of there.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 25, 2016, 03:20:06 PM
Thank God they are safe on board.

Yes, I'll bet there were some fast beating hearts making the trek off. Thank God for sure!

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 25, 2016, 03:22:54 PM
After working them within the first few minutes of operation on 20 CW, I didn't lose any sleep over this one.

A few VKs did and were rewarded, but only a few. I can't do much analysis on the statistics as the leaderboard is turned off (good idea) but it seems 20 m was really our only chance. Low bands were impossible, and for most of the rest of the bands, I believe it was the back of their beams we were listening to, AND a mostly closed south pole.

This DXpedition met my expectations, and I'm happy to have this one off my Wanted List.

My best wishes to the Team, and I will look anxiously for news of their safe pack up and departure. They are off the island now, but all the gear remains there, so this episode of the adventure is not over yet.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 25, 2016, 03:35:01 PM
Wow!!  Glad they are all safe.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB8GAE on January 25, 2016, 03:40:35 PM

The last 24 hours have been hairy for sure.  I’ll be praying for good weather and a safe return.

Rich KB8GAE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 25, 2016, 04:04:58 PM
OK, so how many more of you are going to Visalia to hear the stories?
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 25, 2016, 04:21:16 PM
Amen! Thank God they made it to the ship safely!

That's one mean place, and one don't want to visit!

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5MOA on January 25, 2016, 04:35:58 PM
Glad to hear they got off safely.

Safe travels to the team.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: G3RZP on January 25, 2016, 04:36:58 PM
The Naval Hymn comes to mind

'Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea'

I doubt they are all totally out of danger yet.....
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K6UJ on January 25, 2016, 05:54:09 PM

The last 24 hours have been hairy for sure.  I’ll be praying for good weather and a safe return.

Rich KB8GAE


Me too Rich.    I'm glad they have there priorities right.  This is a hobby
not a military operation !!

73,
Bob
K6UJ
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 25, 2016, 06:20:21 PM
Wow thank God everyone is alright.  This dxpedition seem to be one of the most difficult ones that I have seen so far.  I just hope they can retrieve the gear and move on safely. 

BTW what is the policy if they have to leave it? I know the conservation laws are pretty strict, do they have to remove it?

73s
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 25, 2016, 06:48:51 PM
The Naval Hymn comes to mind

'Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea'

I doubt they are all totally out of danger yet.....


Someone else sailed toward South Georgia .....

The sky was overcast and occasional snow-squalls added to
the discomfort produced by a tremendous cross-sea--the worst, I
thought, that we had experienced.  At midnight I was at the tiller and
suddenly noticed a line of clear sky between the south and south-west.

I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment
later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but
the white crest of an enormous wave.  During twenty-six years'
experience of the ocean in all its moods I had not encountered a wave
so gigantic.  It was a mighty upheaval of the ocean, a thing quite
apart from the big white-capped seas that had been our tireless enemies
for many days.  I shouted, "For God's sake, hold on! It's got us!"

Then came a moment of suspense that seemed drawn out into hours.  White
surged the foam of the breaking sea around us.  We felt our boat lifted
and flung forward like a cork in breaking surf.  We were in a seething
chaos of tortured water; but somehow the boat lived through it, half-
full of water, sagging to the dead weight and shuddering under the
blow.


South, Sir Ernest Shackleton 1920
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 06:49:14 PM
BTW what is the policy if they have to leave it? I know the conservation laws are pretty strict, do they have to remove it?

On Mt. Everest you'll find empty oxygen bottle and abandoned climbing gear.  There are similarities between Mt. Everest and Thule Island.  I guess the unwritten rule on Thule Island might be that human life is more important than abandoned gear :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 07:04:20 PM
It looks like the ship track map shows the last update as of this morning.  There's no update on where the ship is.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 25, 2016, 07:08:12 PM
BTW what is the policy if they have to leave it? I know the conservation laws are pretty strict, do they have to remove it?

On Mt. Everest you'll find empty oxygen bottle and abandoned climbing gear.  There are similarities between Mt. Everest and Thule Island.  I guess the unwritten rule on Thule Island might be that human life is more important than abandoned gear :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Yes, it wasn't exactly pristine when they arrived ;D
Probably have to make a good faith effort to retrieve it all, maybe Nigel Jolly's call as Master.

P.S. The YouTube video of VP8THU is worth watching, has some great footage by 9V1YC et al.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VK3HJ on January 25, 2016, 07:09:19 PM
Mt Everest is littered with corpses.

Thank reason and prudence, the same has not happened on Thule Island.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 07:10:12 PM
BTW what is the policy if they have to leave it? I know the conservation laws are pretty strict, do they have to remove it?

On Mt. Everest you'll find empty oxygen bottle and abandoned climbing gear.  There are similarities between Mt. Everest and Thule Island.  I guess the unwritten rule on Thule Island might be that human life is more important than abandoned gear :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Yes, it wasn't exactly pristine when they arrived ;D
Probably have to make a good faith effort to retrieve it all, maybe Nigel Jolly's call as Master.

But the log has to make it off the island before anything else ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 25, 2016, 07:10:54 PM
But the log has to make it off the island before anything else ;D

Clublog to the rescue!  :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2016, 07:11:27 PM
Mt Everest is littered with corpses.

We all know that!  I was careful not to include that word.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 25, 2016, 07:11:56 PM
But the log has to make it off the island before anything else ;D

Clublog to the rescue!  :)

I bet that's on a thumbdrive in someone's pocket.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE8EV on January 25, 2016, 07:37:44 PM
BTW what is the policy if they have to leave it? I know the conservation laws are pretty strict, do they have to remove it?

On Mt. Everest you'll find empty oxygen bottle and abandoned climbing gear.  There are similarities between Mt. Everest and Thule Island.  I guess the unwritten rule on Thule Island might be that human life is more important than abandoned gear :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I wondered about the same thing.  There is a blizzard of rules, regulations, and warnings for all those who want to venture to South Georgia and South Sandwich, but according to their web site http://www.gov.gs/docsarchive/visitors-2/ (http://www.gov.gs/docsarchive/visitors-2/) it seems that only cruise ship type operations are required to have "environmental insurance", not expeditions.

Interestingly, all expeditions are required to submit a post-expedition report.  The archived reports on line don't go back to the VP8SSI/VP8THU days but if some think that ham radio is a frivolous adventure you should check out some of the other types of expeditions (like the "Baffin Babes" lol!)

John VE8EV
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 25, 2016, 07:43:26 PM
I enjoyed the YouTube video of VP8THU, by James 9V1YC it shed some light on their situation.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 25, 2016, 07:50:26 PM
I hope there will be a video for VP8STI.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 25, 2016, 09:22:05 PM
I hope there will be a video for VP8STI.

I am sure there will be one. I purchased the K1N video and it is excellent.

73s
Rob


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 26, 2016, 03:09:46 AM
I hope there will be a video for VP8STI.

I am sure there will be one. I purchased the K1N video and it is excellent.

73s
Ro


Rob...did you work them???.....I know you were struggling as much as I was.....hope you were able to ook at least one out.....

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 26, 2016, 05:58:29 AM
I hope there will be a video for VP8STI.

I am sure there will be one. I purchased the K1N video and it is excellent.

I can't recall seeing a video from the Intrepid group.  Their stated dxpedition goal was ham radio only; no science, no sightseeing, and no horsing around ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 26, 2016, 06:32:24 AM
No news from the team this morning.  I hope the crew is ok.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 26, 2016, 08:04:53 AM
Does anyone actually expect them to return to S. Sandwich for their equipment? It sounds to me like this team is spent both physically and emotionally.  These aren't young men like those who made the VP8SSI trip. 

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 26, 2016, 08:15:54 AM
Does anyone actually expect them to return to S. Sandwich for their equipment? It sounds to me like this team is spent both physically and emotionally.  These aren't young men like those who made the VP8SSI trip. 

73,

Chris  NU1O

I do!  I still need South Georgia ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 26, 2016, 08:19:48 AM
Yes, I think leaving the gear behind would be a financial disaster.

If they can safely return, I expect them to do so.

South Georgia -- don't know.  But I remain hopeful.   :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AB3CX on January 26, 2016, 08:35:03 AM
Does anyone actually expect them to return to S. Sandwich for their equipment? It sounds to me like this team is spent both physically and emotionally.  These aren't young men like those who made the VP8SSI trip. 

73,

Chris  NU1O

I do!  I still need South Georgia ;D

On the next trip there, a geriatrician will need to come along. Hope still alive for South Georgia, but this is risky business for sure. Don't forget to make a contribution via Paypal.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K7KB on January 26, 2016, 08:35:30 AM
Although most of us would obviously like to see them continue on to South Georgia if possible, the health and well being of the group is the top priority. If they had to come home early, that would certainly be understandable. There would be another chance for South Georgia in the future.

John K7KB
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 26, 2016, 09:02:23 AM
I would guess if they determine it is safe enough they will definitely make an attempt to remove the gear & equipment. It sounds like they have to wait offshore a bit for conditions to improve before they can make an attempt. I suppose South Georgia may depend on how long it takes to get the equipment, whether the team has the energy for the second part, whether the gear/antennas are in good enough condition.. and perhaps if it takes several days before conditions improve to get the gear.. perhaps they run out of time with the charter?

South Georgia isn't going anywhere.. if it doesn't get activated now.. someday eventually somebody else will. The team has done an extraordinary job!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WO7R on January 26, 2016, 09:11:04 AM
DX is not worth dying for.

Bring 'em back alive!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 26, 2016, 09:34:56 AM
I would guess if they determine it is safe enough they will definitely make an attempt to remove the gear & equipment. It sounds like they have to wait offshore a bit for conditions to improve before they can make an attempt. I suppose South Georgia may depend on how long it takes to get the equipment, whether the team has the energy for the second part, whether the gear/antennas are in good enough condition.. and perhaps if it takes several days before conditions improve to get the gear.. perhaps they run out of time with the charter?

South Georgia isn't going anywhere.. if it doesn't get activated now.. someday eventually somebody else will. The team has done an extraordinary job!

I'm guessing that's what they're doing - trolling offshore waiting for a return opportunity to tear down.  One positive is that S. Georgia actually has manned facilities and a much better anchorage, so it wouldn't be anywhere near as exhausting an activation.

Wherever they are I hope all are doing okay.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 26, 2016, 09:35:47 AM
No news in 18hrs

Is this a sign they are busy collecting there gear??  if they were just sitting on the boat waiting they would have released some news???

Hole they are all safe and well,

I also hope they make it to SGI as well but not at the risk of anyone safety,
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 26, 2016, 09:50:20 AM
DX News just reported on Twitter:

"Camp Dismantled"

pretty terse - not sure exactly what that means - hoping for the best
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 26, 2016, 10:42:07 AM
Better than saying camp destroyed....
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 26, 2016, 10:58:24 AM
DX News just reported on Twitter:

"Camp Dismantled"

pretty terse - not sure exactly what that means - hoping for the best

Perhaps they have a short window to get on/off Thule safely.. so not a lot of time to type an extensive email. That sounds like some good news so far. It's also good to know that should they decide to continue on to South Georgia that it may be a less difficult place than Thule. Hope the team is doing ok!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 26, 2016, 11:32:06 AM
Where on South Georgia do they plan on operating from?  I got them on four bands - would have tried harder but I got VP8SSI on a few bands back in 1992.  But, VP8/G is of my last five left....
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 26, 2016, 11:36:36 AM
By the way, if you want a definition of -suck-, look at the VP8SSI video from 1992.  Bad conditions......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5B2oo9-Sjw
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 26, 2016, 12:17:29 PM
Where on South Georgia do they plan on operating from?  I got them on four bands - would have tried harder but I got VP8SSI on a few bands back in 1992.  But, VP8/G is of my last five left....

On their "camp layout" page on the website they show the picture of the church at Grytviken, so I assumed that was the place.

Sure hope that all's okay and they're on the way to somewhere with a hot and cot available.  Hope they can knock off one of your last five.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 26, 2016, 12:23:21 PM
Hope they are all well and making it back to the boat with the equipment by now.

I honestly believe that if there is ANY chance of making the SGI trip, they will do it.
WAYYY easier from where they sit now,  even with all they have been through, than starting
a new one..

GOOD LUCK GUYS!!

73, Gene AF3Y

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0AP on January 26, 2016, 12:42:21 PM
DX News just reported on Twitter:

"Camp Dismantled"

pretty terse - not sure exactly what that means - hoping for the best

It means they went back to the island and picked up their stuff. This is actually very good news and I have a very good feeling that SGI will happen.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on January 26, 2016, 01:03:26 PM
I would take a guess and say there is a 90% chance of the next activation happening.  ;)


73s
Rob

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA4053SWL on January 26, 2016, 01:06:24 PM
By the way, if you want a definition of -suck-, look at the VP8SSI video from 1992.  Bad conditions......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5B2oo9-Sjw

Wow!, a great video :o. I am have confirmed South Georgia by VP8CGK from Bird Is, 1991 but only in SSB, now I would like to confirmed in CW also. ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 26, 2016, 01:09:57 PM
Good to hear they were able to get their gear
and get outta DODGE !!!

Smooth sailing to S Georgia.

We are looking for 'ya.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 26, 2016, 01:39:11 PM
Tip of my hat to the captain and crew of the Braveheart, for watching over these guys and getting them off the island in time. Looks like the flow did not block the bay, or perhaps they are making longer runs with the Zodiacs to get the equipment back aboard.  Either way, MUCH better safe than sorry.

Being trapped on the island would NOT have been nice. ::)

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 26, 2016, 02:07:12 PM
Are they already on their way to South Georgia?  I haven't seen any official update on their movement and the ship track website hasn't been updated.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K2FW on January 26, 2016, 03:16:57 PM
Are they already on their way to South Georgia?  I haven't seen any official update on their movement and the ship track website hasn't been updated.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
So far I haven't seen any updated information.  Hopefully everyone is safe & hopefully heading to South Georgia.  I need it as a new country.  But obviously, the safety & health of the OPs are paramount.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N4KC on January 26, 2016, 03:18:01 PM
  
I had considered going down there and salvaging some nice Elecraft and Force 12 stuff but I doubt a rented bass boat would make the trip.

Glad they got safely off that frost-bitten patch of dirt and penguin droppings.  Thank goodness there are guys willing to put themselves through all that just so we can get a "599 TU."  I worked them only once, on 30 CW, but it almost counts double for me: an ATNO plus it puts me one more closer to my 100 on that band.  I'm at 79, including K5P last night.

I know.  If I'd quit observing that silly 200-watt limitation like everybody else I'd have 300!

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
  
  
  
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on January 26, 2016, 03:21:50 PM
I know.  If I'd quit observing that silly 200-watt limitation like everybody else I'd have 300!

Chasing VP8STI on 30 RTTY (never made it) I was astonished at how much louder 200 watts sounds on 30 than it does on 40 or 20.  Must be very efficient propagation on those frequencies.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 26, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
 
I had considered going down there and salvaging some nice Elecraft and Force 12 stuff but I doubt a rented bass boat would make the trip.

 

Don N4KC
 



You cudda started a Go Fund Me page and with a follow up DXpedition for those who still need it. Just hope the penguins don't roost in the tents in the interim. I'll chip in for gas for the duck boat.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 26, 2016, 04:14:15 PM
Looks like they had appreciable damage to tents and antennas due to storm.  May affect the next stop.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=vp8sti
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K2FW on January 26, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
Looks like they had appreciable damage to tents and antennas due to storm.  May affect the next stop.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=vp8sti
In an earlier statement they had said that repairs were made to the antennas.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 26, 2016, 05:01:20 PM
Looks like they had appreciable damage to tents and antennas due to storm.  May affect the next stop.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=vp8sti
In an earlier statement they had said that repairs were made to the antennas.
True.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 26, 2016, 10:29:41 PM
Hope Col doesn't mind but just seen this on facebook from DX World

VP8STI latest:
Dima RA9USU sent this message to Nodir EY8MM earlier today,
"All collected. Waiting to leave. All ok."
Further updates awaited.

Some news at last, thankfully they all seem to be ok and ready to move on,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 26, 2016, 11:56:58 PM
That's good news, Trevor.

Will they need the tents in South Georgia I wonder ?

If so there'll be some tent washing and repair on the way there for sure.

But, from previous videos from VP8GEO and VP8SSI guys' stop there (forget call), maybe they won't need the tents.

VP8GEO:  https://vimeo.com/121317595 (https://vimeo.com/121317595)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: M0TTB on January 27, 2016, 01:20:31 AM
Their ship tracker now shows they're heading away from the Sandwich group.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5BO on January 27, 2016, 01:53:09 AM
Their ship tracker now shows they're heading away from the Sandwich group.
Yep, and it looks like it headed to the Falklands with it's current heading.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: M0TTB on January 27, 2016, 02:12:37 AM
Their ship tracker now shows they're heading away from the Sandwich group.
Yep, and it looks like it headed to the Falklands with it's current heading.

Yep, although I wouldn't read too much into that just yet.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3VEE on January 27, 2016, 02:50:44 AM

Yep, and it looks like it headed to the Falklands with it's current heading.


It could just be that the ship is going against the wind. Let's wait for more updates on the GPS map.

73 Marvin VE3VEE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5BO on January 27, 2016, 02:55:50 AM
DXworld reports that they are headed to South Georgia!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 27, 2016, 03:11:15 AM
Their ship tracker now shows they're heading away from the Sandwich group.
Yep, and it looks like it headed to the Falklands with it's current heading.

DX World says the team is safe and OK and are headed to South Georgia where they hope to get 8 days of operations done. It will be a 3 day sailing trip to South Georgia.....

Stay Safe...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 27, 2016, 03:23:09 AM
Their ship tracker now shows they're heading away from the Sandwich group.
Yep, and it looks like it headed to the Falklands with it's current heading.

DX World says the team is safe and OK and are headed to South Georgia where they hope to get 8 days of operations done. It will be a 3 day sailing trip to South Georgia.....

Stay Safe...


Under these circumstances, we should be thankful that we are getting 8 days, even though it figures to be another painful operating experience......damn weather......but at least they got off that miserable rock in one piece.....you guys have more guts than me setting foot on such a horrid place......thanks for being there.....

V
K3NRX


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU4B on January 27, 2016, 03:40:03 AM
Their ship tracker now shows they're heading away from the Sandwich group.
Yep, and it looks like it headed to the Falklands with it's current heading.

DX World says the team is safe and OK and are headed to South Georgia where they hope to get 8 days of operations done. It will be a 3 day sailing trip to South Georgia.....

Stay Safe...


you guys have more guts than me setting foot on such a horrid place

V
K3NRX




You got that right, and I was complaining about the light dusting of snow we got last week.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA8UEG on January 27, 2016, 05:32:58 AM
Latest News All good!!

Finally yesterday team was able to collect all gear from Thule Is. All team members are OK and they are on the way to South Georgia where they will arrive after three days sailing.

They will try to be on the air during eight days as VP8SGI.  Personally, I want to thanks to all who send support messages to us, expressing their concerns about VP8STI team situation. 

Delorme tracker is working, you can see Braveheart progress at: http://www.intrepid-dx.com/vp8/location.php

EA5RM - VP8STI/VP8SGI Chief Pilot
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 27, 2016, 05:35:24 AM
Latest News All good!!

Finally yesterday team was able to collect all gear from Thule Is. All team members are OK and they are on the way to South Georgia where they will arrive after three days sailing.

They will try to be on the air during eight days as VP8SGI.  Personally, I want to thanks to all who send support messages to us, expressing their concerns about VP8STI team situation. 

Delorme tracker is working, you can see Braveheart progress at: http://www.intrepid-dx.com/vp8/location.php

EA5RM - VP8STI/VP8SGI Chief Pilot


Huzzah!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 27, 2016, 05:45:24 AM
Cool - interesting how only DX News seemed to report this yesterday. It was a short posting on Twitter, but it sure panned out to be correct.

This is when Twitter is pretty cool - I see news there usually before anyplace else since I follow all of the DX News Sources.

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AF3Y on January 27, 2016, 05:48:50 AM
Hear that??   That worldwide sigh of relief!  ;D

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 27, 2016, 05:56:40 AM
Nice to hear the good news!

Now the bad news.... We'll have to start a new entity chase and endure some crap all over again :D  I'm still recovering physically and emotionally from VP8STI.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 27, 2016, 06:09:48 AM
What is DX News twitter I'd I can't find it,


Cool - interesting how only DX News seemed to report this yesterday. It was a short posting on Twitter, but it sure panned out to be correct.

This is when Twitter is pretty cool - I see news there usually before anyplace else since I follow all of the DX News Sources.


Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: VE3YF on January 27, 2016, 06:18:34 AM
Nice to hear the good news!

Now the bad news.... We'll have to start a new entity chase and endure some crap all over again :D  I'm still recovering physically and emotionally from VP8STI.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jonathan:

Here is your chance to get rested up for the weekend. GL in the hunt....
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 27, 2016, 06:31:27 AM
What is DX News twitter I'd I can't find it,


Cool - interesting how only DX News seemed to report this yesterday. It was a short posting on Twitter, but it sure panned out to be correct.

This is when Twitter is pretty cool - I see news there usually before anyplace else since I follow all of the DX News Sources.



DX News is here:

http://dxnews.com/ (http://dxnews.com/)

And if you click on their Twitter "bird" icon - you will then follow them on Twitter (assuming you are on Twitter already) . . .

I find subscribing to all DX News sources keeps me up to date on all that's happening in the DX World. Plus Facebook and especially Twitter. I also follow the QRP and Makers on Twitter and its surprising how many hams are on Twitter - I used to think Twitter was useless . . .
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 27, 2016, 07:12:42 AM
John K0YQ,

Thank you John, received all ok, will play with it tonight.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 27, 2016, 07:37:17 AM
John K0YQ,

Thank you John, received all ok, will play with it tonight.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

:)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 27, 2016, 07:50:35 AM
John K0YQ,

Thank you John, received all ok, will play with it tonight.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

:)

What's going on here?  I had thought ham radio is not a charity but a competition ;)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K0YQ on January 27, 2016, 07:53:32 AM
John K0YQ,

Thank you John, received all ok, will play with it tonight.

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

:)

What's going on here?  I had thought ham radio is not a charity but a competition ;)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I sent Henry my antenna so he could hear how badly I have it.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 27, 2016, 07:57:51 AM
I sent Henry my antenna so he could hear how badly I have it.

One ham's junk is another ham's treasure ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 27, 2016, 08:02:15 AM
Their ship tracker now shows they're heading away from the Sandwich group.
Yep, and it looks like it headed to the Falklands with it's current heading.

If you look here, you will see that Nigel is no doubt positioning the boat to get the Southerly Wind wind at their backs:

https://www.windyty.com/?-54.431,-36.619,6 (https://www.windyty.com/?-54.431,-36.619,6)

I am sure they will find South Georgia to be much nicer weather wise than Thule. Temperature wise especially.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on January 27, 2016, 08:16:51 AM
They will camp on the North East part of the island, which is sheltered from the westerly winds.

I just hope that the signals will be louder.  These volcanic island do present a challenge when it comes to clear take-off angles.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB8GAE on January 27, 2016, 08:51:31 AM
For those of you who have not seen these two videos,  VP8THU and VP8GEO, by James Brooks 9V1YC
What a talent - fantastic videographer and narrator.
Also shows how great the Braveheart crew really is.

https://vimeo.com/121317593

https://vimeo.com/121317595

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

Thanks for the links Henry.  I really enjoyed the video.

Dxnews has a video of VP8SSI 1992.  It looks like those boys had 132 mph winds.

http://dxnews.com/vp8sti-south-sandwich/

73's Rich KB8GAE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 27, 2016, 08:54:38 AM
Now that they are safe and underway is there any chance they could post the last of the log, not knowing anything about satellite internet and so on is it possible to connect on a moving boat,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 27, 2016, 09:03:17 AM
Now that they are safe and underway is there any chance they could post the last of the log, not knowing anything about satellite internet and so on is it possible to connect on a moving boat,

Trevor
EI2GLB

BGAN's do not work well on a moving boat with the rocking and rolling. Even Inmarsat hand helds - which do a little better require that you constantly move the antenna while the boat is moving.

I have set up 4 BGAN's and 2 iSat phones for VK0EK - so I have first hand experience.

On the Braveheart, Nigel has a marine mobile version of Inmarsat, and that uses a radome antenna - which does do well with a moving boat. This is why we have received email from him on the boat while its moving. That service would never be used to upload logs - so I'm guessing they will upload next when they reach South Georgia.

BTW - Nigel is already in touch with us regarding logistics in Cape Town for VK0EK. Its pretty cool that VP8 is followed by VK0EK in one big sweep of the globe! Its getting exciting now . . .
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 27, 2016, 09:05:42 AM
 Thanks Rich and for the twitter info, I'm sure they will get around to it when the have rested and warmed up after there experience,

Trevor
EI2GLB

Now that they are safe and underway is there any chance they could post the last of the log, not knowing anything about satellite internet and so on is it possible to connect on a moving boat,

Trevor
EI2GLB

BGAN's do not work well on a moving boat with the rocking and rolling. Even Inmarsat hand helds - which do a little better require that you constantly move the antenna while the boat is moving.

I have set up 4 BGAN's and 2 iSat phones for VK0EK - so I have first hand experience.

On the Braveheart, Nigel has a marine mobile version of Inmarsat, and that uses a radome antenna - which does do well with a moving boat. This is why we have received email from him on the boat while its moving.

BTW - Nigel is already in touch with us regarding logistics in Cape Town for VK0EK. Its pretty cool that VP8 is followed by VK0EK in one big sweep of the globe! Its getting exciting now . . .
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2NL on January 27, 2016, 09:23:31 AM
The shipboard dishes have gyroscopes and servos, and can keep the dish (under the protective dome) pointed correctly despite the ship rocking-and-rolling, as long as there isn't a mast blocking the view to the satellite.  There are many times when my CO has shifted course to provide a better view, whether it be for our internet/email access or [more importantly] the Tracvision dish so we can watch the game on Sunday :)

there is probably no reason why they couldn't upload the last log while at sea, but I suspect they are probably exhausted following a several day-long stay living on meters-thick penguin poop and subsequent rush to recover gear and depart.

73, Dave N2NL (active duty USCG)


Now that they are safe and underway is there any chance they could post the last of the log, not knowing anything about satellite internet and so on is it possible to connect on a moving boat,

Trevor
EI2GLB

BGAN's do not work well on a moving boat with the rocking and rolling. Even Inmarsat hand helds - which do a little better require that you constantly move the antenna while the boat is moving.

I have set up 4 BGAN's and 2 iSat phones for VK0EK - so I have first hand experience.

On the Braveheart, Nigel has a marine mobile version of Inmarsat, and that uses a radome antenna - which does do well with a moving boat. This is why we have received email from him on the boat while its moving. That service would never be used to upload logs - so I'm guessing they will upload next when they reach South Georgia.

BTW - Nigel is already in touch with us regarding logistics in Cape Town for VK0EK. Its pretty cool that VP8 is followed by VK0EK in one big sweep of the globe! Its getting exciting now . . .
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 27, 2016, 10:19:08 AM
I wish they'd upload their AIS data via satellite, like they did voyaging to FT5ZM.

The Delorme display is rudimentary to say the least.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K5GS on January 27, 2016, 10:55:16 AM
BGAN's do not work well on a moving boat with the rocking and rolling. Even Inmarsat hand helds - which do a little better require that you constantly move the antenna while the boat is moving.

Not exactly true.  I've used the Inmarsat BGAN many times while at sea on a rocking and rolling boat.  In fact, the skipper came over once and said he's wondering why he spent big bucks on a stabilized platform for his BGAN when my low end table top unit was working just as well.

Answer:

The skipper's unit "always" tracks to the satellite while I have to manually position the terminal. The Inmarsat satellites are stationary over the equator.  From our positions at sea all I needed to do was manually point the terminal to the north and elevate it for a good meter reading.  I never lost the satellite because of the boat's movement because I could manually turn the unit if the boat made a turn.

The skipper has a lot more important things to do then continually re-position his BGAN antenna as he's underway, thus the high end system with a stabilized antenna system. Additionally, his system is on all the time while mine is only on when in use.

Another possibility is their table top BGAN needs a clear view of the sky, it's cold, windy and wet on deck, not to mention unsafe if the weather is bad and they're getting knocked about.  Uploading logs on the BGAN only takes a few minutes, including setup time.  However it does require a computer to be nearby as their BGAN an Internet modem, it handles the connection but you need a computer to manage the connection and upload the files.  I tried it a few times from inside the wheelhouse through a window, didn't work very well because we couldn't get a good view of the satellite. If the boat is bouncing around so is the computer, tabletop unit and the person using the system.

Cheers,
GS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on January 27, 2016, 12:30:45 PM
Thanks Gene, excellent info!
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 27, 2016, 12:40:58 PM
The shipboard dishes have gyroscopes and servos, and can keep the dish (under the protective dome) pointed correctly despite the ship rocking-and-rolling, as long as there isn't a mast blocking the view to the satellite.  There are many times when my CO has shifted course to provide a better view, whether it be for our internet/email access or [more importantly] the Tracvision dish so we can watch the game on Sunday :)

Makes sense. I have a tracvision on one of my vehicles. It works quite well in motion.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WO7R on January 27, 2016, 01:23:41 PM
Quote
there is probably no reason why they couldn't upload the last log while at sea, but I suspect they are probably exhausted following a several day-long stay living on meters-thick penguin poop and subsequent rush to recover gear and depart.

That, and making on-the-fly plans for VP8SGI.  Sure they "repaired" stuff, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the same stuff.  A Moxon might have become a dipole, etc.  Or, maybe they want to do better repairs while on board.  They may have to be spending time coming up with a new site layout.  Remember, they are running multiple bands and so on, so you just don't toss the antennas in the air and hope.

And, I believe that they have fewer days than the original plan as well, so schedules have to be rejiggered, too.

They may also be planning around readjusting locations of stuff based on the "quality" of the tents they have left for all we know.  Or some other critical bits of gear that are gone with the wind.

My best guess is the log will show up "just like that" when we least expect it.  But, the logs probably are quite secure (e.g. multiple memory sticks) and so aren't necessarily the first priority right now.  
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA8UEG on January 27, 2016, 01:26:11 PM
FYI

After almost 24 hours with almost any information from VP8STI, today messages from Paul, N6PSE started to flow. They are in good shape but tired and excited while they are approaching to South Georgia Is.
     
Final VP8STI log will be uploaded from South Georgia.
     
EA5RM - VP8STI/VP8SGI Chief Pilot

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1VT on January 27, 2016, 01:39:27 PM
Which would you rather have, better antennas or a log update?

Zack W1VT
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA8UEG on January 27, 2016, 01:47:15 PM
Bit of a no brainer ;)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB2FCV on January 27, 2016, 02:45:34 PM


And, I believe that they have fewer days than the original plan as well, so schedules have to be rejiggered, too.


I think they are going for the full 8 days of operating as per their original plan. I don't think they are too far off schedule. From dx-world:

January 27 @ 10:00z - Antonio EA5RM – VP8STI/VP8SGI Chief Pilot –  informs that finally, yesterday the team was able to collect all gear from Thule Is. All team members are OK and they are on the way to South Georgia where they will arrive after three days sailing. They will try to be on the air for eight days as VP8SGI. Delorme tracker is working – you can see the Braveheart progress here
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on January 27, 2016, 06:32:10 PM
Which would you rather have, better antennas or a log update?
Zack W1VT
Antennas!

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 27, 2016, 08:33:49 PM
Which would you rather have, better antennas or a log update?
Zack W1VT
Antennas!

Obie N5VYS

Ditto!!!  Besides, who cares about the logs until the next leg is finished?  I'd imagine most hams would like to have both in the log.

Pete
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3NRX on January 28, 2016, 03:38:35 AM
Which would you rather have, better antennas or a log update?
Zack W1VT
Antennas!

Obie N5VYS

Ditto!!!  Besides, who cares about the logs until the next leg is finished?  I'd imagine most hams would like to have both in the log.

Pete


YES!....that's the goal....

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: EI2GLB on January 28, 2016, 04:07:10 AM
Latest news is they hope to be QRV tommorow afternoon from SGI,

That's a lot sooner than I thought hope all goes to plan for them,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AB4D on January 28, 2016, 04:11:27 AM
Does anyone know if there is a mechanism in place to deal with busted calls? I see on club log, an extra contact is posted under my call. Someone is missing their 20 meter CW contact for South Sandwich.

Jim, AB4D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NM6V on January 28, 2016, 05:56:33 AM
For those of you who have not seen these two videos,  VP8THU and VP8GEO, by James Brooks 9V1YC
What a talent - fantastic videographer and narrator.
Also shows how great the Braveheart crew really is.

https://vimeo.com/121317593

https://vimeo.com/121317595

Cheers

Henry  NM6V

Thanks for the links Henry.  I really enjoyed the video.

Dxnews has a video of VP8SSI 1992.  It looks like those boys had 132 mph winds.

http://dxnews.com/vp8sti-south-sandwich/

73's Rich KB8GAE

You are welcome
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 28, 2016, 06:20:53 AM
Does anyone know if there is a mechanism in place to deal with busted calls? I see on club log, an extra contact is posted under my call. Someone is missing their 20 meter CW contact for South Sandwich.

Jim, AB4D

If N2OO is doing the QSLing,the bustee can email him and he will get confirmation from the other party that it wasn't them. Then the bustee's call can be corrected and QSL sent. He did this for me for k1n I think it was.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 28, 2016, 06:26:18 AM
Which would you rather have, better antennas or a log update?
Zack W1VT
Antennas!

Obie N5VYS

Ditto!!!  Besides, who cares about the logs until the next leg is finished?  I'd imagine most hams would like to have both in the log.

Pete


Haven't you already worked both Georgia and Sandwich, Peter?  I have been in the hobby about half as long as you, albeit with a long hiatus, and neither of these are ATNOs for me.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 28, 2016, 06:29:57 AM
Does anyone know if there is a mechanism in place to deal with busted calls? I see on club log, an extra contact is posted under my call. Someone is missing their 20 meter CW contact for South Sandwich.

Jim, AB4D

If N2OO is doing the QSLing,the bustee can email him and he will get confirmation from the other party that it wasn't them. Then the bustee's call can be corrected and QSL sent. He did this for me for k1n I think it was.

Although it seems my 15 meter RTTY QSO was probably made with a pirate I am going to ask N2OO if my call was busted.  I have nothing to lose.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on January 28, 2016, 07:04:02 AM
Does anyone know if there is a mechanism in place to deal with busted calls? I see on club log, an extra contact is posted under my call. Someone is missing their 20 meter CW contact for South Sandwich.

Jim, AB4D

If N2OO is doing the QSLing,the bustee can email him and he will get confirmation from the other party that it wasn't them. Then the bustee's call can be corrected and QSL sent. He did this for me for k1n I think it was.

Although it seems my 15 meter RTTY QSO was probably made with a pirate I am going to ask N2OO if my call was busted.  I have nothing to lose.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Yep. No harm whatsoever. Bob is a good guy and fair.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: AB4D on January 28, 2016, 08:24:42 AM
I sent an email to Bob. Hopefully, the contact can be credited to the correct station.

73, Jim AB4D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL1BBW on January 28, 2016, 10:35:32 AM
I sent an email to Bob. Hopefully, the contact can be credited to the correct station.

73, Jim AB4D

I did not realise that you could do this, only worked him once and that was hard enough.  Gavin ZL1BBW
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 28, 2016, 11:44:52 AM
I sent an email to Bob. Hopefully, the contact can be credited to the correct station.

73, Jim AB4D

I did not realise that you could do this, only worked him once and that was hard enough.  Gavin ZL1BBW

You didn't realize you could ask if your call was busted?  I thought that was common knowledge.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL1BBW on January 28, 2016, 12:34:58 PM
I sent an email to Bob. Hopefully, the contact can be credited to the correct station.

73, Jim AB4D

I did not realise that you could do this, only worked him once and that was hard enough.  Gavin ZL1BBW

You didn't realize you could ask if your call was busted?  I thought that was common knowledge.

73,

Chris  NU1O

No, but have been out of the DX scene for a long time, last time I was really in it was early 70's and 80's.   

But now that R word has crept, marched, staggered into my life and with 15 acres I am getting back there.

It was so much more fun when you waited for the mail and the copy of DX weekly or whatever is was called then.

Anyway got a reply from Bob, he is not taking enquiries at this time.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on January 28, 2016, 03:57:04 PM
They're pretty close to South Georgia.  Might be QRV tomorrow.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NU1O on January 28, 2016, 04:14:02 PM

No, but have been out of the DX scene for a long time, last time I was really in it was early 70's and 80's.   


I know what that feels like.  I was mostly out of the hobby from 1994 through 2010.  Much changed during that time period and I'm glad eHam exists because its members helped bring me up to speed.

Good luck with your busted call.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on January 28, 2016, 09:00:56 PM


No, but have been out of the DX scene for a long time, last time I was really in it was early 70's and 80's.  

But now that R word has crept, marched, staggered into my life and with 15 acres I am getting back there.

It was so much more fun when you waited for the mail and the copy of DX weekly or whatever is was called then.

Anyway got a reply from Bob, he is not taking enquiries at this time.

When were you QRV on "fish fone" ?
I was active 1963 - 1971, mostly on 160 (G3RRF). Our "local" was Niton, in fact there was still a GNI station/beacon on 3517 while I was chasing my 100 on 80m here, very useful !  73

Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W1BR on January 28, 2016, 09:13:49 PM

No, but have been out of the DX scene for a long time, last time I was really in it was early 70's and 80's.   


I know what that feels like.  I was mostly out of the hobby from 1994 through 2010.  Much changed during that time period and I'm glad eHam exists because its members helped bring me up to speed.

Good luck with your busted call.

73,

Chris  NU1O

I am in the same boat!  I was chasing DX heavily for many years, and then took a hiatus for a few decades.  Most of my ARRL logbooks cover a two or three year span, at most! Yet one logbook shows activity from 1991 to 2015!!  That is quite a few decades of missed DX opportunities.

My growing problem is that I am very close to Honor Roll, yet I have NEVER submitted a single card to the DXCC desk!

Pete
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA8UEG on January 29, 2016, 04:36:31 AM
FYI:

VP8SGI arrived few hours ago to South Georgia Is.
They have very good weather and they started to work on antennas and shack set up.

     They expect to be on the air in two or three hours.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: ZL1BBW on January 29, 2016, 09:37:44 AM


No, but have been out of the DX scene for a long time, last time I was really in it was early 70's and 80's.  

But now that R word has crept, marched, staggered into my life and with 15 acres I am getting back there.

It was so much more fun when you waited for the mail and the copy of DX weekly or whatever is was called then.

Anyway got a reply from Bob, he is not taking enquiries at this time.

When were you QRV on "fish fone" ?
I was active 1963 - 1971, mostly on 160 (G3RRF). Our "local" was Niton, in fact there was still a GNI station/beacon on 3517 while I was chasing my 100 on 80m here, very useful !  73



Hi there, was truly active on fish fone from about 1963 to late 60's worked on the family trawler, MIUG we used to work GNI regularly.  My Dad was G3WQQ and I got G3YCP used to work George G3SYI a lot when he was mobile.  he retuned his 160 rig and used to come on 2306 as MV Hopeful, the funny thing was you could hear all the traffic noise behind him  ;) Then went to college and sent deep sea as r/o on cargo ships, then changed to working for a foreign flag situation, then went to the home for shore bound r/o's also known as Portishead radio. ;D  Came to ZL about 24 yrs ago and had not been active hardly at all in that time.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6DXO on January 29, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
Guys,

Another VP8STI log update has been posted on Club Log.

GL de harry, W6DXO
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD0PO on January 29, 2016, 11:55:36 AM
OQRS is on....
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB3LIX on January 29, 2016, 12:18:39 PM
OQRS is on....


Yeah....at $ 7.00 a shot

I'll still send for one, but no donation this time.
I was hoping they would combine the 2 entities.

Request card once for both and make a donation,'
sorry not at 7.00 each.   I am NOT wealthy !
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KF7CSO on January 29, 2016, 02:46:30 PM
OQRS is on....


Yeah....at $ 7.00 a shot

I'll still send for one, but no donation this time.
I was hoping they would combine the 2 entities.

Request card once for both and make a donation,'
sorry not at 7.00 each.   I am NOT wealthy !

Your donation before they left is fine.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6OU on February 07, 2016, 10:06:00 PM
There's an interesting saga involving South Georgia Island.  In 1916, explorer Ernest Shackleton's ship was destroyed by the ice on Elephant Island 800 miles from South Georgia.  Shackleton and a few crewmen set out in a small boat and landed at South Georgia's south coast. Shackleton and two others set out on foot to cover 22 miles over the mountains to reach help at a whaling station.  This led to the rescue of the remaining members of the expedition on Elephant Island.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KE4KY on February 08, 2016, 04:53:19 AM
http://www.pbs.org/show/chasing-shackleton/ (http://www.pbs.org/show/chasing-shackleton/)

Interesting series I watched... "Chasing Shackleton."

The premise...a modern sailor was interested in the story and set out to recreate the leaving of Elephant Is. and trek to South Georgia. He built a boat that would have been consistent with what Shackleton utilized, vintage clothes, period food, supplies, etc...

Very interesting...
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA4DOU on February 08, 2016, 11:57:14 AM
OQRS is on....


Yeah....at $ 7.00 a shot

I'll still send for one, but no donation this time.
I was hoping they would combine the 2 entities.

Request card once for both and make a donation,'
sorry not at 7.00 each.   I am NOT wealthy !

It's all in our priorities. Generally speaking, we "afford" what we wish to afford. Obviously, some things fall well outside of what we can afford, by any measure, and we don't give it another thought. For a dx'pedition to cost $425,000 to fund, producing 2 DXCC entities, with a combined total of about 138,000 contacts, simple math reveals a cost of roughly $3.08 per contact. Since the dx'pedition members paid about 50% of that total, it doesn't seem unreasonable to many of the recipients to help fund the balance. Many donors did just that. The only way to raise the outstanding amount is to charge a fee for OQRS, recognizing that some won't even seek a qsl card. $7.00 doesn't seem like an unreasonable fee to me, for a qsl from each entity. Not only does it seem quite reasonable to eliminate the chore of sending qsl's along with return postage, but to question it seems miserly, to begrudge them a small donation thru the fee. Just how much of a freeloader would one feel comfortable being? I have no insight into your financial affairs, nor would I wish to. Since you've made yourself a spokesperson for the miserly dx'ers, be big enough to accept the criticism you've invited. 73
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N2RJ on February 08, 2016, 12:18:28 PM
I have less money these days than I did before. So I rounded up to $10 for SGI and STI each. So they get $20 from me and per QSL costs are likely less than a buck (I have no idea if the QSL managers are paid anything beyond the cost of QSL cards, postage, toner and stationery.) As long as I get a LoTW upload I am good.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N6PSE on February 16, 2016, 11:51:44 AM
The Intrepid-DX Group's VP8STI/VP8SGI team is now resting in the Falkland Islands before our flights home in a few days.

We are reading and digesting your many comments, questions and concerns which we hope to answer in due time.

OQRS is active and N2OO and his QSL team are preparing to respond to your requests for cards and LoTW uploads. They have a great set of processes and we are glad to have them on our team. For those who don't wish to use the convenience of OQRS ($7.00) you can send a direct card or via the bureau.

Yesterday, the Braveheart left Stanley on their way to Cape Town where they will load an ocean container and ship it back to California.

We are very grateful for the ongoing support of our donors and sponsors, particularly Elecraft, Force 12 Antennas, DX Engineering, Radio Sports head sets and many others.

Watch for great articles in the NCDXF and INDEXA newsletters in the coming months.

Best wishes,

Paul N6PSE
Co-Leader, VP8STI/VP8SGI
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD0PO on February 16, 2016, 12:29:41 PM
The Intrepid-DX Group's VP8STI/VP8SGI team is now resting in the Falkland Islands before our flights home in a few days.

We are reading and digesting your many comments, questions and concerns which we hope to answer in due time.

OQRS is active and N2OO and his QSL team are preparing to respond to your requests for cards and LoTW uploads. They have a great set of processes and we are glad to have them on our team. For those who don't wish to use the convenience of OQRS ($7.00) you can send a direct card or via the bureau.

Yesterday, the Braveheart left Stanley on their way to Cape Town where they will load an ocean container and ship it back to California.

We are very grateful for the ongoing support of our donors and sponsors, particularly Elecraft, Force 12 Antennas, DX Engineering, Radio Sports head sets and many others.

Watch for great articles in the NCDXF and INDEXA newsletters in the coming months.

Best wishes,

Paul N6PSE
Co-Leader, VP8STI/VP8SGI

thank you for a first class expedition. I enjoyed it very much. I'm thankful you are all safe...

Ray
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6DXO on February 16, 2016, 12:50:16 PM
The Intrepid-DX Group's VP8STI/VP8SGI team is now resting in the Falkland Islands before our flights home in a few days.

We are reading and digesting your many comments, questions and concerns which we hope to answer in due time.

OQRS is active and N2OO and his QSL team are preparing to respond to your requests for cards and LoTW uploads. They have a great set of processes and we are glad to have them on our team. For those who don't wish to use the convenience of OQRS ($7.00) you can send a direct card or via the bureau.

Yesterday, the Braveheart left Stanley on their way to Cape Town where they will load an ocean container and ship it back to California.

We are very grateful for the ongoing support of our donors and sponsors, particularly Elecraft, Force 12 Antennas, DX Engineering, Radio Sports head sets and many others.

Watch for great articles in the NCDXF and INDEXA newsletters in the coming months.

Best wishes,

Paul N6PSE
Co-Leader, VP8STI/VP8SGI


Thanks Paul...really, really well done !

de harry, W6DXO
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5VYS on February 16, 2016, 01:29:24 PM
Thanks Paul and VP8 Team. A job well done. And for giving so many the opportunity for several ATNO.

Also, thanks for the South Sandwich Q which was ATNO for me! Traveling grace.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KB8GAE on February 16, 2016, 01:38:22 PM

Thanks N6PSE Paul, and the team for putting in the time, money, and labor to activate “The most awful place in the world.”

It was a lot of fun working the fb cw ops at VP8STI & VP8SGI with 100 watts and a wire for a pair of ATNO’s.

Your efforts are much appreciated!

73's Rich KB8GAE
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: WA4DOU on February 16, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Thanks Paul and VP8 Team. A job well done. And for giving so many the opportunity for several ATNO.

Also, thanks for the South Sandwich Q which was ATNO for me! Traveling grace.

Obie N5VYS

Obie, this isn't just directed to you but to all here in the DX Forum who make liberal use of the term ATNO. ATNO doesn't refer to a new one on each band and/or mode, or any combo of those modifiers. ATNO refers to the very first contact with that entity, thus the use of "all time" as a modifier of the term "new one". When DX'peditions say they're attempting to make it possible for as many ATNO's as possible, they're referring to trying to include the greatest number of unique calls.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on February 16, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
Fantastic job Paul and Team - simply top notch all the way around!

73,

Rich
KY6R
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N5PG on February 16, 2016, 03:16:24 PM
http://www.pbs.org/show/chasing-shackleton/ (http://www.pbs.org/show/chasing-shackleton/)

Interesting series I watched... "Chasing Shackleton."

The premise...a modern sailor was interested in the story and set out to recreate the leaving of Elephant Is. and trek to South Georgia. He built a boat that would have been consistent with what Shackleton utilized, vintage clothes, period food, supplies, etc...

Very interesting...

Thanks, just ordered the DVD  ;D ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on February 16, 2016, 04:35:50 PM
Thank you Paul and the team for this first class dxpedition.  The greater DX community is grateful for everything you and the team risked to make this a reality.  Looking forward to hear the stories from the sharp end of the pileups :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KD8MJR on February 16, 2016, 05:01:19 PM
Thank you to the team, it was one hell of a difficult Dxpedition and you guys handled it like a well oiled machine.  I suspect that the generator incident was a major unexpected problem but your excellent planning made it a success anyway. Rest up and have several stiff drinks and celebrate.

73
Rob
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: NN3W on February 16, 2016, 07:36:12 PM
Excellent work by team.  Crossed off one of my final ATNOs and got a number of band fills out of 'STI.  Healthy donation sent in with my card requests....

Hopefully VK0EK is as successful.
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K3LP on February 26, 2016, 10:22:41 PM
VP8STI and VP8SGI Posts - It's like going down memory lane reading each of this pieces of information. I can remember what our team members and I were doing during each of these posts. Just sitting here on this early Saturday morning with a shot of whiskey and laughing. Our team did an amazing job from both locations. There were so many opportunities to just quit, shut it down and head for home. It was like playing an NFL super bowl game. The men all knew what was expected from them! Even with the ice cold winds, snow and ice, constant wild life noise and smell, everyone stressed, loss of weight, wind always blowing, on and on, I believe we really delivered as promised.

I want to personally thank each of you and our suppliers for helping us to make it an amazing shared adventure!!!!

Both Paul (N6PSE) and I (David - K3LP) will Co-Lead another great trip and will announce soon.

We'll see you all at Visalia and/or Dayton.


73's

David Collingham - K3LP/VP8DRC
Co-Leader; VP8STI/VP8SGI
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W7NUW on February 26, 2016, 11:34:18 PM
The book "Endurance" by Alfred Lansing is a superb recounting of Shackleton's epic voyage that brought his men to safety on South Georgia.

The Intrepid Team's success is proof that extraordinary courage and unyielding endurance can be found in today's world as well.

Terrific job, guys.  Admirable in so many ways!

73, Ken W7NUW
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N4KC on February 27, 2016, 10:37:07 AM
   
Not bragging but when the VP8s hit my LoTW this week, they made ATNOs #299 and #300 confirmed.  TNX, guys, for all you did.  Surely there are some warm spots that we all need for next time!

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com  www.donkeith.com
Author of the new books GET ON THE AIR...NOW!
and THE AMATEUR RADIO DICTIONARY
   
   
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KY6R on February 27, 2016, 11:44:59 AM
Both Paul (N6PSE) and I (David - K3LP) will Co-Lead another great trip and will announce soon.

Let the speculation start  ;D
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: KJ4Z on February 27, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
Both Paul (N6PSE) and I (David - K3LP) will Co-Lead another great trip and will announce soon.

Let the speculation start  ;D

I have an idea.  Same as your idea. Hope so!   :)
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: K1EBU on February 27, 2016, 12:18:03 PM
Thank you guys for the awesome trip! 2 ATNOs and super fast LotW. It was fun to be a tiny little part of the story. This one was epic. Can't wait for your announcement.  73 Gary
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: W6GX on February 27, 2016, 02:34:45 PM
Both Paul (N6PSE) and I (David - K3LP) will Co-Lead another great trip and will announce soon.

Let the speculation start  ;D

I bet it's Kosovo :)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: VP8STI - South Sandwich
Post by: N4KC on February 27, 2016, 04:16:27 PM
   
If I were they, it would be South Beach, Miami, though I doubt it would be as popular a spot for the rest of us...

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com  www.donkeith.com