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Title: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K4BDA on December 20, 2022, 07:30:32 AM
As mentioned on the forum I'm trying to get back on HF after being stuck on VHF for a few years.

I'm considering a number of radios and struggling between new and used including...

1 - A "like new" Yaesu FT-1000MP rig complete with the matching external speaker and microphone for which he is asking $1300...
     or from one guy who is asking $1150 for the radio only.

2 - A good condition Yeasu FT-1000MP Mark V "field" unit for an asking price of$1100.
     But the "field" version is only 100 Watts while number 1 above is 200 watts.

3 - A brand New ICOM 7300 for $1049.

4 - A brand New Yaesu FT-710 AESS for $1049.

- I like the idea of a brand new radio with the computer connectivity and waterfall display but I also like the full size of the FT-1000MP.

- Service and Repair on the FT-1000MP could be an issue so that worries me but...

- Looks like you have to pay for the Warrantee on the ICOM and there are so many "options" that I may end up spending $2,000 by the time I get done.

- I'm unsure if you have to pay for the warrantee for the new FT-710 AESS or not, haven't researched it yet... nor have I looked at the available "Options" ... many of which really seem necessary.

- Also, how much difference will 100 watts make vs 200 watts?

Thanks for any input on this folks.

K4BDA


Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K1VSK on December 20, 2022, 07:47:29 AM
As to your last question, you can easily look up the effect of doubling power and find it’s 3 dB which in most cases is indiscernible and therefore not a consideration.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: US7IGN on December 20, 2022, 07:57:04 AM
I think you first need to answer two important questions - where and how the radio is planned to be used. I don't see how you can take 1k with you to the park. Also, I did not understand what filters already installed in 1k? In any case, they are such different radios that I would rather have both - 1k and 710.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: WA2EIO on December 20, 2022, 08:04:39 AM
Yaesu and Icom have completely different user-interfaces.   Since you are just getting back into HF work, you don't have much of a frame of reference as to operating them.  Many find the Icom's touch screen more convenient for quick control changes, while Yaesu uses more menu-driven controls.   If possible, you should try using both the Icom and the Yaesu radios to decide which might be easier for you to operate.   Since the Yaesus are used, you should be able to try one with the owner's guidance.   (Not sure what to suggest about trying a new Icom though if there isn't a radio store nearby!)  As to 100 vs 200W of power, not a great difference, and if you decide to add an amp later on, most need a maximum of 100 W drive, so that is something else to consider.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: W0CKI on December 20, 2022, 08:52:54 AM
I have had both FT 1000 rigs, great radios but now out of date. Expensive to repair.
Never had a 7300 but now have a 7610 plus a FT 101MP. Both great rigs. I find the UI on the Icom more suited to my preferences.  With regard to the FT 101MP, IMHO, 200 watts makes a big difference. My Icom drives an amp, the Yaesu doesn't. The go to rig is the Yaesu unless condx are such that an amp is needed.
I have owned lots of radios. All 3 make great rigs, Kenwood included, have you considered the Kenwood 590?
I find the current Yaesu radios have a not so good UI, my opinion. The Icom, easier to navigate.
Side by side the receive performance is the same. There are situations where one can be better than the other. Again, 200 watts can make a difference.
It's tough to choose. Fish finders and touch screens are fun and useful.
If I were to choose, I may be asking the same questions as you are.
I probably wouldn't by the cheap Yaesu, 710. But the 7300, Kenwood 590 or the middle ground Yaesu FT are all great choices.
Good luck,
Gary W0CKI
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: N8NK on December 20, 2022, 08:53:16 AM
This a question that cannot be answered. Too many things that are specific to you. And your likes, dislikes, habits, etc.
In my opinion, Rx performance can be ignored. All are great. Ditto Tx performance.
But you?
Desk size? Ever using portable/mobile? Eyesight good? How about hand-eye coordination.. any issues? Your age? Manual dexterity: no health issues that compromise it?
Distraction annoyances: Issues? I have them. I detest 'movie displays'. I have an FTdx3K and detest the bandscope. I use it as a tool when wanted or needed then turn it off.
For me,,
The bigger the rig the better for my desktop 'daily driver'. More controls, which translates to more convenient to use for your all day, every day rig. I almost feel sorry for rigs with all that computing and display power when left on all afternoon every afternoon. Heck, most of the time the rig is providing audible entertainment in the room whilst I do other things.
You'll be happier with the audio quality from the bigger rig, regardless of make or model. If using external speaker, this is not an issue however.
Know what I mean?  :)
As they say Sir: If in doubt, buy both. Or all three.
Good luck and be well. Merry Christmas to all from Chuck and Blitzy
73
dit dit
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: AC9O on December 20, 2022, 09:09:11 AM
I bought a 7300 in 2019 and been using it ever since. Bought and tried a 991A and didn't like it. Waterfall is awful. Ended up adding a 7610.

Don't have any experience with the new Yaesu, but have no desire to repeat my 991A experience.

For ease of use, digital modes, flexibility, can't beat the 7300 for the bucks. Depending on your antenna, you may need an external tuner. I only need one of 80m as I shoehorn a 40-10m vertical to get on that band (HOA issued).

Also, I don't think Yaesu warranties are transferable, Icom's are.

Best of luck and 73
Paul, AC9O
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K0RS on December 20, 2022, 09:25:00 AM
Make sure you know what you're looking at.  Unless it's a Mark V, with its matching external power supply, the FT-1000mp is not a 200w radio.  Yaesu has built a number of iterations called "FT-1000MP" and it can be confusing.  The original FT-1000MP is a 100w radio and is getting long in the tooth by now.  The Mark V Field is also a 100w radio as you correctly noted.

Not being a huge Yaesu fan I would probably pick the 7300, which has modern features and good track record.  Personal taste influences my decision, I admit.  In any case, I would choose between either of the two newer radios.  The 710 hasn't been out too long.  My inclination would to wait and see if it has any inherent weaknesses.  I'm not aware of any manufacturer that charges for a standard warranty.  Perhaps for an extended optional warranty.

US7IGN brings up a good point about filters in the older FT-1000s.  One can spend a small fortune adding filters to these rigs.  Filters that are largely built in via DSP in newer radios.  Also noise reduction features tend to be more effective in newer radios.  Newer radios tend to be easier to interface to computers for digital operation.

If buying an older radio, getting original accessories and shipping cartons is a big deal.  IIRC, Yaesu triple boxed the radios in the 1000 series for safe shipping.  You need these if you have to send it off for repair or want to sell it to someone across the country.

W0CKI makes some great points.

Incidentally, I've owned both the FT-1000MP (twice) and the Mark V Field.  Also a couple of FT-1000Ds (200w).  My current radios are Kenwood and Elecraft and my focus is on CW operation.  YMMV.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: AI5BC on December 20, 2022, 09:56:27 AM
- Also, how much difference will 100 watts make vs 200 watts?
None you will ever notice. To get a noticeable difference takes 6 dB gain or 400 watts. 3dB is not enough to do much of anything.

Buy new equipment, anything used on the market is way overpriced and not worth the risk.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: G4AON on December 20, 2022, 10:02:43 AM
A low cost option… if you can find a good used IC-7300 (with good clock battery), you can use it for a while and sell it for about what you paid for it.

As others mentioned, the IC-7300 is easy to use and easy to configure for logging programs, data programs, etc. the spectrum display has averaging (lacking with Yaesu) and can be configured to show a pleasing green trace on black, resembling a spectrum analyser trace.

I use an IC-7300 and IC-9700 for hill top portable operating in VHF/UHF contests.

73 Dave
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: KE6VG on December 20, 2022, 10:06:16 AM
My Ftdx10 has a better noise blanker than my 7300. Both are great radios though. I use a 7610 most of the time on my main desk in the house though.
If you order a new rig (I know my costco Visa card doubles the manufacturer warranty) So do many others. So, you get a 2 year warranty for free. I've used the warranty several times on big $2500 LCD TVs so I know it works. Just save your receipts and make the claim with the credit card if the manufacturer warranty is up after the first year.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K0RS on December 20, 2022, 11:48:05 AM
- Also, how much difference will 100 watts make vs 200 watts?
None you will ever notice. To get a noticeable difference takes 6 dB gain or 400 watts. 3dB is not enough to do much of anything.

Poor advice.  These kind of statements tend to be made by operators that have read too much theoretical literature and don't have enough real world on-the-air experience.  3dB produces a signal that is perceived to be approximately 12% louder by the human ear at the speaker or headphones.  This can win in difficult conditions.

Scenario:  You own a radio that is capable of producing 200W.  You're calling a DX station that at best is S4~S5.  He's having trouble picking signals out of the pileup.  What output level would you set your radio for, 100w or 200w?  Might as well conserve electricity since it makes no difference, right?  Or maybe you'd choose to be 12% louder in his ear.

An average small tribander produces about 3 dB more gain than a resonant dipole, yet given similar operator ability, will win out in a pile up 9 times out of 10.

I currently have a 100w radio (TS-890) and a 200w radio (TS-990) side by side, so I can run comparisons.  From personal experience there can be large differences.

My neighbor built a monster quad.  It had about 3 dB more gain than the Yagi I was running at the time.  We would work JAs on 15m in the evening.  When the band was wide open, S9 or better signals from JA, most Japanese operators could perceive very little difference in our signals running a KW.  Usually reports were "the same"  or "back and forth" between us two.  As the band faded and signals dropped into the mud, or the JA station had a poor or compromise antenna, the difference became apparent.  Often he was Q5 to JA when I wasn't.  Does 3 dB make a difference?  Depends on the scenario and conditions.  I hear QRPers make the dB excuse all the time, justifying why there 5w watts is as good as (or nearly so) as 100w.  Really?  Not to insult QRPers.  I run QRP, 100w, 200w and LL frequently.  I know the difference from actual experience.

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Buy new equipment, anything used on the market is way overpriced and not worth the risk.

More poor advice.  Usually made by people that haven't the confidence or experience to accurately evaluate the equipment in question.  I've got a shack full of equipment purchased "pre-owned" that looks new, works perfectly and that I'm not worried about failing.   

Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K4GTE on December 20, 2022, 03:37:06 PM
New Icom IC 7300 out of those choices. The warranty is free, no options required to get on the air, more user friendly interface.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K4BDA on December 20, 2022, 03:42:50 PM
Great feedback Guys.

As far as "use" is concerned...
- I'll be working 80, 40, & 20 mostly. Maybe 15 & 10 if open.
- I've never done the other HF bands but I may experiment.
- I've never been a contester but I like to check into nets and also do some occasional CQ's & making new contacts and/or rag chewing.
- I'll be working both CW and SSB.
- I've never done other modes of transmission (Except AM of course:-) but I may, or may not experiment with those down the road... even though not a high priority.

When I was last on HF my base station rig was an Icom 7410 (I think) and my mobile was a Yeasu FT-100d with the Yeasu ATAS-100 screw driver antenna.

I'm aware that doubling the power only results in a gain of 3 db... that said I would guess on occasions that may be a small advantage... but 100 watts is probably fine for me to get back on the air with.

Now to the Icom 7300 Options... by the time I add in the options for the $1049 Icom-7300  I'll be between $1600 and $1900... not including sales tax.

$34.95   Programming Software and Cable   
$44.95   Mars Mod   
$59.95   External Mobile Speaker   
$32.95   Caring Handle   
$25.95   Mini Manual
$39.95   Full Color Manual      
$22.95   Nifty Wire Bale Desk Stand   (angles the rig up some)
$139.95   IP Remote Control Software (for controlling via my desktop PC?)
$54.95   Radio Dust Cover   
$39.95   Standard RFI Kit   
$44.95   Receive-Only Antenna Jack   
$541.45   Total Less Desktop Speaker
      
Optional Desktop Speaker (nice addition)
$119.95   IC-SP33 Desktop Speaker   
$182.95   IC-SP38 Desktop Speaker   
$254.95   IC-SP41 Desktop Speaker   

Compare that to negotiating the price down on the $1300 Yeasu MP-1000MP with speaker & mic and I could be on the air for less than half the ICOM 7300...

Complicated choice.

Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: N1RND on December 20, 2022, 03:45:10 PM
Also keep in mind, the ft-1000mp has a cfl backlit display that does go out and is no longer available.
Been there, done that.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: AF5CC on December 20, 2022, 10:12:51 PM
The Yaesu FT710 comes with an external speak for free, and the rig control software is free also on the Yaesu website.  That will save you a few dollars over the Icom.  You can get buy without the mini manual and full color manual also.

Plus it rates higher than the others on dynamic range, and is supposed to have great DSP noise reduction, and a APF filter for CW that can really help pull weak signals out of the noise. 

And Yaesu offers a 3 year warranty as standard.

73 John AF5CC
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: G4AON on December 21, 2022, 01:46:09 AM

Now to the Icom 7300 Options... by the time I add in the options for the $1049 Icom-7300  I'll be between $1600 and $1900... not including sales tax.

$34.95   Programming Software and Cable   
$44.95   Mars Mod   
$59.95   External Mobile Speaker   
$32.95   Caring Handle   
$25.95   Mini Manual
$39.95   Full Color Manual      
$22.95   Nifty Wire Bale Desk Stand   (angles the rig up some)
$139.95   IP Remote Control Software (for controlling via my desktop PC?)
$54.95   Radio Dust Cover   
$39.95   Standard RFI Kit   
$44.95   Receive-Only Antenna Jack   
$541.45   Total Less Desktop Speaker
      

You are over thinking, you don't need any of the listed options, certainly not programming software, printed extra manuals, RFI kit, etc. You can do the "Mars" mod yourself. The only extra that I bought was a side carry handle as it makes my portable operating a little easier when taking the transceiver out of the house and into the car.

73 Dave
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: G8FXC on December 21, 2022, 02:00:03 AM
The FT1000 series were beautiful radios, but they are getting very long in the tooth now and repairs could become difficult, if not impossible. I've always avoided the 200W radios because of their dependence on OEM power supplies. 100W radios run on 12V and you can buy a suitable PSU from any one of many suppliers at something in the region of $100. 200W radios require a higher voltage - typically around 50V - at least to run the output stage. You'll have to go to Yaesu for the replacement PSU - very expensive and, for the FT1000, almost certainly no longer available.

I recently went to my local main dealer to buy a new FTdx101... My wife was encouraging me to pay the extra £1000 for the 200W MP version, but I chose to go with the FTdx101D specifically for this reason...

Martin (G8FXC)
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K0UA on December 21, 2022, 03:57:44 AM
Great feedback Guys.

As far as "use" is concerned...
- I'll be working 80, 40, & 20 mostly. Maybe 15 & 10 if open.
- I've never done the other HF bands but I may experiment.
- I've never been a contester but I like to check into nets and also do some occasional CQ's & making new contacts and/or rag chewing.
- I'll be working both CW and SSB.
- I've never done other modes of transmission (Except AM of course:-) but I may, or may not experiment with those down the road... even though not a high priority.

When I was last on HF my base station rig was an Icom 7410 (I think) and my mobile was a Yeasu FT-100d with the Yeasu ATAS-100 screw driver antenna.

I'm aware that doubling the power only results in a gain of 3 db... that said I would guess on occasions that may be a small advantage... but 100 watts is probably fine for me to get back on the air with.

Now to the Icom 7300 Options... by the time I add in the options for the $1049 Icom-7300  I'll be between $1600 and $1900... not including sales tax.

$34.95   Programming Software and Cable   
$44.95   Mars Mod   
$59.95   External Mobile Speaker   
$32.95   Caring Handle   
$25.95   Mini Manual
$39.95   Full Color Manual      
$22.95   Nifty Wire Bale Desk Stand   (angles the rig up some)
$139.95   IP Remote Control Software (for controlling via my desktop PC?)
$54.95   Radio Dust Cover   
$39.95   Standard RFI Kit   
$44.95   Receive-Only Antenna Jack   
$541.45   Total Less Desktop Speaker
      
Optional Desktop Speaker (nice addition)
$119.95   IC-SP33 Desktop Speaker   
$182.95   IC-SP38 Desktop Speaker   
$254.95   IC-SP41 Desktop Speaker   

Compare that to negotiating the price down on the $1300 Yeasu MP-1000MP with speaker & mic and I could be on the air for less than half the ICOM 7300...

Complicated choice.

In my opinion you need absolutely ZERO of those options you mentioned.
The 7300 is good to go out of the box.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K0UA on December 21, 2022, 04:00:29 AM
AND if you did want a desktop speaker, there are far better choices on Amazon or E-bay than ANY of the Icom speakers for a whole lot less money. Far far better. The speaker built into the 7300 is adequate. And headphones are better than any.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: AF5CC on December 21, 2022, 07:42:48 AM
I second the headphones suggestion.  I always wear headphones unless operating mobile and driving.  You will hear much better with them than any external speaker.  Nothing fancy either headphonewise is required.  I use a pair of walkman type headphones from Walmart that were less than $10.

Don't forget the CW paddles unless you already have those.

73 John AF5CC
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K7JQ on December 21, 2022, 08:17:55 AM
IMO, there is no such thing as a "like new" FT-1000MP. While it was a good radio in its day, it's still an old, discontinued, and *used* radio with no warranty and no availability of some parts if it craps out, rendering it a $1,000+ door stop or paperweight. If you want to connect it to a computer, you'll need an external interface box with all its complexities. Don't discount the value of a spectrum scope/waterfall...built-in to all new radios (except the long-in-production Kenwood TS-590SG).

I don't know where you're getting your information, but all new radios have a one-year warranty and available repair centers with parts. And if you're thinking about a IC-7300, as K0UA stated, you don't *need* any of your listed gobbly-gook of options.

I own two IC-7300's and have used them extensively in contests for over 5 years with no problems whatsoever. But if you like the Yaesu's in that price range, they're OK also. But basically I'm stressing for you to buy a new, current production radio in any case. Spend your money wisely, and you'll be glad you did.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K0AP on December 21, 2022, 02:31:44 PM
IMO, there is no such thing as a "like new" FT-1000MP. While it was a good radio in its day, it's still an old, discontinued, and *used* radio with no warranty and no availability of some parts if it craps out, rendering it a $1,000+ door stop or paperweight. If you want to connect it to a computer, you'll need an external interface box with all its complexities. Don't discount the value of a spectrum scope/waterfall...built-in to all new radios (except the long-in-production Kenwood TS-590SG).

I don't know where you're getting your information, but all new radios have a one-year warranty and available repair centers with parts. And if you're thinking about a IC-7300, as K0UA stated, you don't *need* any of your listed gobbly-gook of options.

I own two IC-7300's and have used them extensively in contests for over 5 years with no problems whatsoever. But if you like the Yaesu's in that price range, they're OK also. But basically I'm stressing for you to buy a new, current production radio in any case. Spend your money wisely, and you'll be glad you did.

I have both IC7300 and FT1000MP. My MP is filled with Inrad filters and is far superior in performance over the IC7300 especially on CW. Operating CW Contest with the 250Hz filter is a pure joy. My favorite mode is CW and if I have to sell one of these two, it will be the IC7300. My FT1000MP was manufactured in 2000 and it's in pristine condition. If I was mostly FT8/Digi guy, I would probably keep the IC7300. Since I already have IC7610 and just bought mint FTdx5000MP, I might sell the FT1000MP at some point only because there is not enough room on the operating desk. If I ever sell it, it will be a real bargain for the buyer. It's one of the best ergonomic radios ever made, let alone the performance. How long will the radio last mostly depend on the operator. If you operate your gear properly and if you don't abuse it, it will last a long time. Just my opinion... since I own both radios.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K4BDA on December 21, 2022, 03:50:20 PM
K0AP, your shack pic is great. Very neat. Did you have the furniture custom built?
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K0AP on December 21, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
K0AP, your shack pic is great. Very neat. Did you have the furniture custom built?

It's not custom built, except for the upper shelf. I bought the furniture in mint condition for $100 (office desk and 5 other large pieces as a combo) from a neighbor in my subdivision who was moving to another house. Made in Denmark, high quality furniture. Original price for all was over $2500. Still can't believe I got all of this for one hundred bucks.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K4BDA on December 21, 2022, 04:35:26 PM
Would be great if you posted more pictures to  give us a broad or panoramic view of the layout. Very cool!
Thanks
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: KX2T on December 26, 2022, 05:15:47 PM
The FT1000MP, MP Field and the MK5MP were last manufactured in 2000 for the 1000MP+-, 2002 for the MK5 MP +-, and 2004 for the Field so there are not New radio's plus unless you have two of them its really hard to get some of the parts for servicing them. I loved my 1000MP I bought back around 1996 but today some of the newer rigs are just a cut above but remember these old rigs were $3Kilobuck rigs back in the day.
I have had the 7300 and also the FTDX10 which is around the same price as that used MP loaded, if you want a very simpleton radio to use with good basic performance the 7300 is hard to beat, the new FT710 gives you a bit more flexibility and better receiver performance but to me the FTDX10 would be my call cause it gives top performance almost right next to the FTDX101D.
If you looking at an amp forget the 200w radio, its not needed to run most amps today but these newer radio's don't need extra filters for increased selectivity but if you are a hard nose CW guy then look at the Ten cause along with great DSP they sell a 300Hz roofing filter which is the cats nuts on CW. Forget for a moment the GUI interface but look at the RX section cause way too many hams buy radio's because the GUI is pretty then they realize on a contest weekend when they can't find a clear spot that they bought the wrong rig, to me RX section first then the rest will follow. Also BTW the newer Yaesu have lot of flexibility in the ability to adjust your TX audio, Icom has just bass and treble but Yaesu has a three band parametric EQ which can really tailor you transmit audio which is allot more then they had in there rigs 20 plus years ago.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: G8FXC on December 27, 2022, 02:04:25 AM
....
the new FT710 gives you a bit more flexibility and better receiver performance but to me the FTDX10 would be my call cause it gives top performance almost right next to the FTDX101D.
...

The FT710 is in fourth place in the Sherwood rankings behind the FTdx101D, a Flex and the FTdx10. It's a remarkable achievement to have got it that high with a direct sampling architecture...

Martin (G8FXC)
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: KX2T on January 12, 2023, 05:20:03 AM
Yes the FT710 does kind of out perform the 7300 by allot, its simple compared to the the two other Yaesu's rigs out today and its a true SDR rig, it could be the 7300 killer but the FTDX10 with the addition of the 300Hz roofing filter in the front end superhet design with an sdr back end is the K3s killer which sold for more than double what the ten sells for today plus Yaesu does not option you to death. The 710 does pack a good punch for right around the $1K price range.
I have not played with one yet but have owned the FTDX10, IC7300, IC7610 plus the K3 and the K3 also the TS590s besides back when they were the top rig at the time a few 1000MP's. I prefer the Ten but today I have treated myself to the 101D. The Yaesu rigs do take some time to get used to, they seem to do more but are not as simple to use as the 7300 or the 590s but every one of these rigs are nowhere near as big of a PITA as the K3, what a horrible radio to warm up to. With the Yaesu rigs it boils down to if you RTFM, yes read the manual, it does help to actually read besides watching You Tube video's.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: W1VT on January 12, 2023, 05:47:41 AM
Another consideration is community support.

Yahoo Groups was a free service used by hams.  Popular radios often had 5000 members, so if you had an question about something, someone would know the answer.  But, that went away.

Some radios still have community support.  Elecraft runs its own forums so its owners weren't affected by the discontinuation of Yahoo Group services.
Some migrated to IO groups or Facebook.  May be worth searching around to see if anything is useful to you.

Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: AI5BC on January 12, 2023, 07:35:47 AM
You gotta love hams, they are so eager and happy to overpay for old junk. 
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: VE3WGO on January 12, 2023, 09:42:41 AM
FT-1000MP has extremely good reviews, even recent ones, AC and DC power, 200 Watts, and a rather nice Main/Sub receiver layout.

$1300 is < 1/2 original price.  And 3dB more Tx power never hurt anyone...  = 1/2 an S-unit.

FT-710 has a tougher receiver but cramped front panel.

73, Ed
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: K7JQ on January 12, 2023, 11:03:17 AM
You gotta love hams, they are so eager and happy to overpay for old junk.

And then when it craps out (and it will), they complain they can't find unobtainium parts or service ???.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: N2SR on January 12, 2023, 11:21:31 AM
FT-1000MP has extremely good reviews, even recent ones, AC and DC power, 200 Watts, and a rather nice Main/Sub receiver layout.

$1300 is < 1/2 original price.  And 3dB more Tx power never hurt anyone...  = 1/2 an S-unit.

FT-710 has a tougher receiver but cramped front panel.

73, Ed

To be clear:

1000mp:  100 watts (internal power supply).
1000mp Mark V: 200 watts (EXTERNAL power supply)
1000mp Mark V Field: 100 watts (internal power supply)
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: KC3RN on February 16, 2023, 04:46:58 AM
I have no experience with the FT-1000, but I do have a fondness for classic rigs.  They're fun to operate for a while, but can get tiresome after a bit.  I prefer a more modern rig for my "daily driver".

That having been said, I recently upgraded from an IC-7300 to an FTDX10.  The difference is night and day.  The FT-710 layout and specs are very similar to the FTDX10.  The main difference is that the 710 is a direct sampling SDR, just like the 7300.

In my opinion, the 7300 is perfectly adequate for SSB and casual CW operation.  For more serious CW ops, it would not be my first choice.  The filtering and audio peak filter in the Yaesu rigs make a huge difference in the CW performance.  I also think the Yaesu DNR is superior to the Icom.

The stock mic on the 7300 is awesome.  The Yaesu stock mic is just okay.

On the 7300, you don't need any of the options you listed.

Regarding the user interface, don't be put off by the Yaesu system.  It's easy enough to learn after reviewing the manual.  The 7300's interface is initially easier, but some functions, like switching from paddles to a straight key, are actually easier to execute on the Yaesu.  Two key strokes on the Yaesu; four keystrokes on the Icom.

The antenna tuner in the Yaesu is more forgiving than the Icom.  It's rated at 3:1, but in reality it's closer to 5:1.  The Icom is barely 3:1, unless you switch into emergency mode, which limits your output power to 50 watts.

As always, YMMV.  For someone just returning to the air, either the 7300 or 710 should make you happy.  Pick the one that best fits your interests.
Title: Re: Buy New ICOM 7300 or Yeasu FT-710 AESS for $1049 or Used FT-1000MP for ~$1300?
Post by: G8FXC on February 16, 2023, 04:58:04 AM
You gotta love hams, they are so eager and happy to overpay for old junk.

And then when it craps out (and it will), they complain they can't find unobtainium parts or service ???.

I would be particularly concerned about any aging 200W transmitter - they almost all were dependent on OEM power supplies which will now be long out of production.

Martin (G8FXC)