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eHam Forums => Misc => Topic started by: KB2WVO on March 04, 2023, 10:40:28 AM
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wow .. its sad.. yep soap box here..
when does it stop
when do radio ops start working togther
when does it stop
why do people have to key up and not listen before keyin.
LETS KEY OVER EVERYONE..... iam running 3000000 million watts I OWN THE FREQ...
STOP ALREADY DANG IT
my god its so stupid .. its gettin old. its pushin people away ..
why would i want a young kid or teenager to come into this hobby ???????????
my god ..
enough is enough people ...........
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Would you like a little cheese with your whine?
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In my view, we should be and encourage others including potential or new operators to be the example we would like to hear on the air. Amateur Radio is a wonderful endeavor and we shouldn't squander it by simply giving in to poor practices.
Tim
WB7UVH
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Would you like a little cheese with your whine?
limburger please. ty
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Big mouths, no ears and I didn't know my band scope could show such a wide signal.
Think I will watch a movie and try radio later.
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Big mouths, no ears and I didn't know my band scope could show such a wide signal.
Think I will watch a movie and try radio later.
10 k on ssb isnt ok ?? hahhaha i hear you on this for sure...
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wow .. its sad.. yep soap box here..
when does it stop
when do radio ops start working togther
when does it stop
why do people have to key up and not listen before keyin.
LETS KEY OVER EVERYONE..... iam running 3000000 million watts I OWN THE FREQ...
STOP ALREADY DANG IT
my god its so stupid .. its gettin old. its pushin people away ..
why would i want a young kid or teenager to come into this hobby ???????????
my god ..
enough is enough people ...........
What you are really hearing is the result of over half the urban ham population dealing with a high noise floor (S9 or higher).
All these stations don't hear the other hams for their end fed. 100 watt signal is below the noise floor at their urban location. They hear the QRO station but little else.
I call CQ with 100 watts here in the desert and maybe some one will come back to me. Call CQ with 1500 watts and I have a pileup. This is indicative of everyone's receive noise floor.
I picked my ranch location for the low noise floor(S-0). I can always take care of the out bound signal with the amplifier.
Todays hams, many times, don't have the option of a ham club and an Elmer to guide their path in ham radio.
Buy the ARRL handbook and start reading.
73,
Mike K6AER
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wow .. its sad.. yep soap box here..
when does it stop
when do radio ops start working togther
when does it stop
why do people have to key up and not listen before keyin.
LETS KEY OVER EVERYONE..... iam running 3000000 million watts I OWN THE FREQ...
STOP ALREADY DANG IT
my god its so stupid .. its gettin old. its pushin people away ..
why would i want a young kid or teenager to come into this hobby ???????????
my god ..
enough is enough people ...........
What you are really hearing is the result of over half the urban ham population dealing with a high noise floor (S9 or higher).
All these stations don't hear the other hams for their end fed. 100 watt signal is below the noise floor at their urban location. They hear the QRO station but little else.
I call CQ with 100 watts here in the desert and maybe some one will come back to me. Call CQ with 1500 watts and I have a pileup. This is indicative of everyone's receive noise floor.
I picked my ranch location for the low noise floor(S-0). I can always take care of the out bound signal with the amplifier.
Todays hams, many times, don't have the option of a ham club and an Elmer to guide their path in ham radio.
Buy the ARRL handbook and start reading.
73,
Mike K6AER
Don't see your points as being accurate; especially 1500 watts to receive more than maybe a call back.
All the pileups for POTA stations running 100 watts and many with end fed (endfedz).
They have pile ups for hours on end with 100 watts.
Even more so, is to listen to the QRP Stations working the POTA Stations successfully with 5 watts.
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wow .. its sad.. yep soap box here..
when does it stop
when do radio ops start working togther
when does it stop
why do people have to key up and not listen before keyin.
LETS KEY OVER EVERYONE..... iam running 3000000 million watts I OWN THE FREQ...
STOP ALREADY DANG IT
my god its so stupid .. its gettin old. its pushin people away ..
why would i want a young kid or teenager to come into this hobby ???????????
my god ..
enough is enough people ...........
What you are really hearing is the result of over half the urban ham population dealing with a high noise floor (S9 or higher).
All these stations don't hear the other hams for their end fed. 100 watt signal is below the noise floor at their urban location. They hear the QRO station but little else.
I call CQ with 100 watts here in the desert and maybe some one will come back to me. Call CQ with 1500 watts and I have a pileup. This is indicative of everyone's receive noise floor.
I picked my ranch location for the low noise floor(S-0). I can always take care of the out bound signal with the amplifier.
Todays hams, many times, don't have the option of a ham club and an Elmer to guide their path in ham radio.
Buy the ARRL handbook and start reading.
73,
Mike K6AER
Don't see your points as being accurate; especially 1500 watts to receive more than maybe a call back.
All the pileups for POTA stations running 100 watts and many with end fed (endfedz).
They have pile ups for hours on end with 100 watts.
Even more so, is to listen to the QRP Stations working the POTA Stations successfully with 5 watts.
That might be the case in the North East where the population density is 50 times higher than in the South West. When I hear a POTA station they spend more time calling CQ than logging contacts.
As for QRP, it remind me of the saying that; even a blind squirrel can fine an acorn once in awhile. No mention that the contact on the other end is running a first class station with an amp, beam and a good location to make the QRP experience happen.
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wow .. its sad.. yep soap box here..
when does it stop
when do radio ops start working togther
when does it stop
why do people have to key up and not listen before keyin.
LETS KEY OVER EVERYONE..... iam running 3000000 million watts I OWN THE FREQ...
STOP ALREADY DANG IT
my god its so stupid .. its gettin old. its pushin people away ..
why would i want a young kid or teenager to come into this hobby ???????????
my god ..
enough is enough people ...........
What you are really hearing is the result of over half the urban ham population dealing with a high noise floor (S9 or higher).
All these stations don't hear the other hams for their end fed. 100 watt signal is below the noise floor at their urban location. They hear the QRO station but little else.
I call CQ with 100 watts here in the desert and maybe some one will come back to me. Call CQ with 1500 watts and I have a pileup. This is indicative of everyone's receive noise floor.
I picked my ranch location for the low noise floor(S-0). I can always take care of the out bound signal with the amplifier.
Todays hams, many times, don't have the option of a ham club and an Elmer to guide their path in ham radio.
Buy the ARRL handbook and start reading.
73,
Mike K6AER
Don't see your points as being accurate; especially 1500 watts to receive more than maybe a call back.
All the pileups for POTA stations running 100 watts and many with end fed (endfedz).
They have pile ups for hours on end with 100 watts.
Even more so, is to listen to the QRP Stations working the POTA Stations successfully with 5 watts.
please dont get me started on pota. omg. so tired of hearing it.... its gettin old. i know turn the big knob or flip the switch. but dang there all over the place..
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wow .. its sad.. yep soap box here..
when does it stop
when do radio ops start working togther
when does it stop
why do people have to key up and not listen before keyin.
LETS KEY OVER EVERYONE..... iam running 3000000 million watts I OWN THE FREQ...
STOP ALREADY DANG IT
my god its so stupid .. its gettin old. its pushin people away ..
why would i want a young kid or teenager to come into this hobby ???????????
my god ..
enough is enough people ...........
What you are really hearing is the result of over half the urban ham population dealing with a high noise floor (S9 or higher).
All these stations don't hear the other hams for their end fed. 100 watt signal is below the noise floor at their urban location. They hear the QRO station but little else.
I call CQ with 100 watts here in the desert and maybe some one will come back to me. Call CQ with 1500 watts and I have a pileup. This is indicative of everyone's receive noise floor.
I picked my ranch location for the low noise floor(S-0). I can always take care of the out bound signal with the amplifier.
Todays hams, many times, don't have the option of a ham club and an Elmer to guide their path in ham radio.
Buy the ARRL handbook and start reading.
73,
Mike K6AER
Don't see your points as being accurate; especially 1500 watts to receive more than maybe a call back.
All the pileups for POTA stations running 100 watts and many with end fed (endfedz).
They have pile ups for hours on end with 100 watts.
Even more so, is to listen to the QRP Stations working the POTA Stations successfully with 5 watts.
please dont get me started on pota. omg. so tired of hearing it.... its gettin old. i know turn the big knob or flip the switch. but dang there all over the place..
....and only with 💯 watts. :)
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It seems that I've read articles by Hiram Percy Maxim ("The old man") that were written 100 years ago pissing and moaning about these same things!
We've always had "lids, kids, and K8's", propagation, high power, low power, wide signals and the other dozen annoying things to contend with since the beginning of wireless.
I was going to suggest just dealing with it or get out. Find another hobby. But I also recall seeing this suggestion in print 67 years ago.
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You will not make it on the zoo.. Everyone knows what frequency i am talking about. In the great words of Rodney King { cant we all get along}.. Everyone please stay safe..
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You will not make it on the zoo.. Everyone knows what frequency i am talking about. In the great words of Rodney King { cant we all get along}.. Everyone please stay safe..
His actual quote was: "Can we all get along?"
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Exactly
In before the Lock..
God Bless Everyone. 73s
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This problem existed once the SECOND radio operator got on the air!
"You don't need a receiver to transmit!"
(Bring back SPARK!)
-Mike.
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I have learned not to get upset on this hobby i have choosen. I just turn the dial.
So many modes and different bands. Just my onion. Everyone God Bless and stay safe.
Nuff Said...
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please dont get me started on pota. omg. so tired of hearing it.... its gettin old. i know turn the big knob or flip the switch. but dang there all over the place..
That's pretty good to hear considering I keep hearing about how the hobby is dying!
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please dont get me started on pota. omg. so tired of hearing it.... its gettin old. i know turn the big knob or flip the switch. but dang there all over the place..
That's pretty good to hear considering I keep hearing about how the hobby is dying!
The hobby isn't dying, only the hobbyist.
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wow .. its sad.. yep soap box here..
when does it stop
when do radio ops start working togther
when does it stop
why do people have to key up and not listen before keyin.
LETS KEY OVER EVERYONE..... iam running 3000000 million watts I OWN THE FREQ...
STOP ALREADY DANG IT
my god its so stupid .. its gettin old. its pushin people away ..
why would i want a young kid or teenager to come into this hobby ???????????
my god ..
enough is enough people ...........
What you are really hearing is the result of over half the urban ham population dealing with a high noise floor (S9 or higher).
All these stations don't hear the other hams for their end fed. 100 watt signal is below the noise floor at their urban location. They hear the QRO station but little else.
I call CQ with 100 watts here in the desert and maybe some one will come back to me. Call CQ with 1500 watts and I have a pileup. This is indicative of everyone's receive noise floor.
I picked my ranch location for the low noise floor(S-0). I can always take care of the out bound signal with the amplifier.
Todays hams, many times, don't have the option of a ham club and an Elmer to guide their path in ham radio.
Buy the ARRL handbook and start reading.
73,
Mike K6AER
Don't see your points as being accurate; especially 1500 watts to receive more than maybe a call back.
All the pileups for POTA stations running 100 watts and many with end fed (endfedz).
They have pile ups for hours on end with 100 watts.
Even more so, is to listen to the QRP Stations working the POTA Stations successfully with 5 watts.
Right, it's your 100 watts and a wire making the trip.
Not the guy with a 190 foot tower and a 5 over 5 stack on it whom is working you.
Life is too short for qrp, and erp is created at the dryer socket.
--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
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Don't blame me for your own inefficiencies:
https://youtu.be/1IfS4oMa1Jg (https://youtu.be/1IfS4oMa1Jg)
No excuses.
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All the pileups for POTA stations running 100 watts and many with end fed (endfedz).
They have pile ups for hours on end with 100 watts.
Even more so, is to listen to the QRP Stations working the POTA Stations successfully with 5 watts.
That might be the case in the North East where the population density is 50 times higher than in the South West. When I hear a POTA station they spend more time calling CQ than logging contacts.
That East Coast population density surely is a 'thing', especially on 40m SSB park activations. Out here in the West we only have a handful of stations to work within 400 miles on 40m. They're all next-door to each other back East...
But it is actually pretty easy to generate a pileup at a park running 100w to a full size wire antenna on a 32 ft mast (no base-loaded, ground-mounted crap antennas) even operating from the West.
Parks On The Air has a scheduling page, and if you've listed your park activation and then go out and call CQ on CW from a park the RBN picks you up, the POTA spotting system grabs it and BANG you have a pileup even on a weekday, on CW :-) It's great fun, I always get an answer to my CQ within a few calls on 15, 17 or 20m CW, and I work 150 to 200 people in a couple of hours on weekdays from a few of the mountain parks in Colorado. It's the most fun I've had in years :-)
Glenn AE0Q
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wow .. its sad.. yep soap box here..
when does it stop
when do radio ops start working togther
when does it stop
why do people have to key up and not listen before keyin.
LETS KEY OVER EVERYONE..... iam running 3000000 million watts I OWN THE FREQ...
STOP ALREADY DANG IT
my god its so stupid .. its gettin old. its pushin people away ..
why would i want a young kid or teenager to come into this hobby ???????????
my god ..
enough is enough people ...........
What you are really hearing is the result of over half the urban ham population dealing with a high noise floor (S9 or higher).
All these stations don't hear the other hams for their end fed. 100 watt signal is below the noise floor at their urban location. They hear the QRO station but little else.
I call CQ with 100 watts here in the desert and maybe some one will come back to me. Call CQ with 1500 watts and I have a pileup. This is indicative of everyone's receive noise floor.
I picked my ranch location for the low noise floor(S-0). I can always take care of the out bound signal with the amplifier.
Todays hams, many times, don't have the option of a ham club and an Elmer to guide their path in ham radio.
Buy the ARRL handbook and start reading.
73,
Mike K6AER
Don't see your points as being accurate; especially 1500 watts to receive more than maybe a call back.
All the pileups for POTA stations running 100 watts and many with end fed (endfedz).
They have pile ups for hours on end with 100 watts.
Even more so, is to listen to the QRP Stations working the POTA Stations successfully with 5 watts.
Right, it's your 100 watts and a wire making the trip.
Not the guy with a 190 foot tower and a 5 over 5 stack on it whom is working you.
Life is too short for qrp, and erp is created at the dryer socket.
--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
Hey Shane, Pay attention much?
Do you even know what POTA is?
There are no POTA stations running 5 over 5 stacks on portable 150 foot towers in the park.
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Hey Shane, Pay attention much?
Do you even know what POTA is?
There are no POTA stations running 5 over 5 stacks on portable 150 foot towers in the park.
Huh?? How about the park hunters, working all of us at the parks?
Although I suspect most are using a tribander at 35 ft and not a stack on 150 ft tower :-)
Glenn AE0Q
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Hey Shane, Pay attention much?
Do you even know what POTA is?
There are no POTA stations running 5 over 5 stacks on portable 150 foot towers in the park.
Huh?? How about the park hunters, working all of us at the parks?
Although I suspect most are using a tribander at 35 ft and not a stack on 150 ft tower :-)
Glenn AE0Q
Don't know, but I just got off the air (14.237) with CE3WB in Santiago, Chili. He uses a rotatable dipole.
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Hey Shane, Pay attention much?
Do you even know what POTA is?
There are no POTA stations running 5 over 5 stacks on portable 150 foot towers in the park.
Huh?? How about the park hunters, working all of us at the parks?
Although I suspect most are using a tribander at 35 ft and not a stack on 150 ft tower :-)
Glenn AE0Q
Don't know, but I just got off the air (14.237) with CE3WB in Santiago, Chili. He uses a rotatable dipole.
And he was working you while you were at a park??
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Hey Shane, Pay attention much?
Do you even know what POTA is?
There are no POTA stations running 5 over 5 stacks on portable 150 foot towers in the park.
Huh?? How about the park hunters, working all of us at the parks?
Although I suspect most are using a tribander at 35 ft and not a stack on 150 ft tower :-)
Glenn AE0Q
Don't know, but I just got off the air (14.237) with CE3WB in Santiago, Chili. He uses a rotatable dipole.
And he was working you while you were at a park??
??????
100 watts and an Endfedz EF-20 on my end.
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The Next Big Thing in amateur radio will be PPOTA (Pickle Parks On The Air) if the current trend continues. ::)
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Hey Shane, Pay attention much? Do you even know what POTA is?
There are no POTA stations running 5 over 5 stacks on portable 150 foot towers in the park.
Huh?? How about the park hunters, working all of us at the parks?
Although I suspect most are using a tribander at 35 ft and not a stack on 150 ft tower :-)
Glenn AE0Q
Don't know, but I just got off the air (14.237) with CE3WB in Santiago, Chili. He uses a rotatable dipole.
And he was working you while you were at a park??
??????
100 watts and an Endfedz EF-20 on my end.
OK, I know this topic has wandered, but it recently was about the antenna(s) that home stations use to work weak portables in the field, like at POTA listed parks.
So you worked a guy in Chile with a rotatable dipole, and you used an Endfedz EF-20. Were EITHER of you portable at a park ???????
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Hey Shane, Pay attention much? Do you even know what POTA is?
There are no POTA stations running 5 over 5 stacks on portable 150 foot towers in the park.
Huh?? How about the park hunters, working all of us at the parks?
Although I suspect most are using a tribander at 35 ft and not a stack on 150 ft tower :-)
Glenn AE0Q
Don't know, but I just got off the air (14.237) with CE3WB in Santiago, Chili. He uses a rotatable dipole.
And he was working you while you were at a park??
??????
100 watts and an Endfedz EF-20 on my end.
OK, I know this topic has wandered, but it recently was about the antenna(s) that home stations use to work weak portables in the field, like at POTA listed parks.
So you worked a guy in Chile with a rotatable dipole, and you used an Endfedz EF-20. Were EITHER of you portable at a park ???????
Get on the air more and listen. All the Western VE parks were on the air last night
talking to France and England. Ten meters was open to Japan last night. Here's the deal, just like Real Estate it is location, location, location.
If you are 100 feet above see level and have your 150 foot tower you are 250 feet total. If you're at 580 feet above sea level with a wire 20 feet in the air your antenna is at 600 feet. It's like me being at your location with a 500 foot tower.
Unless you're in Florida, most parks have high elevation. Set up on an overlook you don't need much. One of the POTA stations last night made a Contact almost 1500 miles and the other station was running only 5 watts!!!
Turn on your radio, listen and learn...
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I really don't understand this thread. POTA and all the other variations of this sport means ACTIVITY!
The last 3 times I was on 20m CW I heard about 5 signals each time, from 14.0 to 14.150! I remember when it was bedlam on this portion of the band.
It appears to me the present ham activity takes place on eHam.com, bitching about SOMETHING!
I keep having flashbacks to basic training; standing in the cold, driving rain or wallowing in the mud, and our DI yelling, "Is everybody happy?" There wasn't anyone happy there. Or here!
I've heard for almost 70 years that no activity equals no frequencies. Wake up people.
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The last 3 times I was on 20m CW I heard about 5 signals each time, from 14.0 to 14.150! I remember when it was bedlam on this portion of the band.
They're all on FT8 now. An absolute ton of activity on those frequencies.
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I really don't understand this thread. POTA and all the other variations of this sport means ACTIVITY!
The last 3 times I was on 20m CW I heard about 5 signals each time, from 14.0 to 14.150! I remember when it was bedlam on this portion of the band.
It appears to me the present ham activity takes place on eHam.com, bitching about SOMETHING!
I keep having flashbacks to basic training; standing in the cold, driving rain or wallowing in the mud, and our DI yelling, "Is everybody happy?" There wasn't anyone happy there. Or here!
I've heard for almost 70 years that no activity equals no frequencies. Wake up people.
Agree, it's a very good thing and I enjoy talking with people. If I didn't I'd do FT8.
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Don't know, but I just got off the air (14.237) with CE3WB in Santiago, Chili. He uses a rotatable dipole.
And he was working you while you were at a park??
??????
100 watts and an Endfedz EF-20 on my end.
OK, I know this topic has wandered, but it recently was about the antenna(s) that home stations use to work weak portables in the field, like at POTA listed parks.
So you worked a guy in Chile with a rotatable dipole, and you used an Endfedz EF-20. Were EITHER of you portable at a park ???????
If you are 100 feet above see level and have your 150 foot tower you are 250 feet total. If you're at 580 feet above sea level with a wire 20 feet in the air your antenna is at 600 feet. It's like me being at your location with a 500 foot tower.
What?? That isn't how it works :-) That's why people use terrain analysis software.
What matters is how high your antenna is above the SURROUNDING ground and objects, not what your absolute altitude above sea level is.
Why are you changing the topic of my question? The comment was about people at home, with good antennas, working weak people at parks. You never answered my question if YOU or the Chile guy were at a park, and the next comment is about altitude above sea level? What the ...
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Don't know, but I just got off the air (14.237) with CE3WB in Santiago, Chili. He uses a rotatable dipole.
And he was working you while you were at a park??
??????
100 watts and an Endfedz EF-20 on my end.
OK, I know this topic has wandered, but it recently was about the antenna(s) that home stations use to work weak portables in the field, like at POTA listed parks.
So you worked a guy in Chile with a rotatable dipole, and you used an Endfedz EF-20. Were EITHER of you portable at a park ???????
If you are 100 feet above see level and have your 150 foot tower you are 250 feet total. If you're at 580 feet above sea level with a wire 20 feet in the air your antenna is at 600 feet. It's like me being at your location with a 500 foot tower.
What?? That isn't how it works :-) That's why people use terrain analysis software.
What matters is how high your antenna is above the SURROUNDING ground and objects, not what your absolute altitude above sea level is.
Why are you changing the topic of my question? The comment was about people at home, with good antennas, working weak people at parks. You never answered my question if YOU or the Chile guy were at a park, and the next comment is about altitude above sea level? What the ...
Huh..??
So if you're at Sea Level and there is no terrain above you across the sea in one direction, you are better off than being on top of Mt. Washington??
Okay 👌👌🆗
You aren't making much sense, especially since you're own QRZ page has you noting a PARK with 7300' ELEVATION.
Anyways I am going to work some Parks...
Troll on Sir...
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What?? That isn't how it works :-) That's why people use terrain analysis software.
What matters is how high your antenna is above the SURROUNDING ground and objects, not what your absolute altitude above sea level is.
Why are you changing the topic of my question? The comment was about people at home, with good antennas, working weak people at parks. You never answered my question if YOU or the Chile guy were at a park, and the next comment is about altitude above sea level? What the ...
Huh..??
So if you're at Sea Level and there is no terrain above you across the sea in one direction, you are better off than being on top of Mt. Washington??
Okay 👌👌🆗
Did you spend too much on your station and end up with mediocre results??
I don't know what made you think POTA stations use towers in the first place.
You aren't making much sense.
Maybe Google Parks On The Air and you can research whatever it is you are trying to accomplish and report back.
Anyways I am going to work some Parks...
OK, now I can see why people don't engage in discussions with you.. Completely nonsensical replies :-(
Have fun...
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What?? That isn't how it works :-) That's why people use terrain analysis software.
What matters is how high your antenna is above the SURROUNDING ground and objects, not what your absolute altitude above sea level is.
Why are you changing the topic of my question? The comment was about people at home, with good antennas, working weak people at parks. You never answered my question if YOU or the Chile guy were at a park, and the next comment is about altitude above sea level? What the ...
Huh..??
So if you're at Sea Level and there is no terrain above you across the sea in one direction, you are better off than being on top of Mt. Washington??
Okay 👌👌🆗
Did you spend too much on your station and end up with mediocre results??
I don't know what made you think POTA stations use towers in the first place.
You aren't making much sense.
Maybe Google Parks On The Air and you can research whatever it is you are trying to accomplish and report back.
Anyways I am going to work some Parks...
OK, now I can see why people don't engage in discussions with you.. Completely nonsensical replies :-(
Have fun...
Oh nice tactic.. "People"
Hmmm... People engage in conversations with me all the time. Especially on the Air.
I feel you are the nonsensical one with your nonsense in this hijacked thread.
Back to having more fun 😊