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eHam Forums => DXing => Topic started by: W2IRT on March 20, 2023, 04:01:45 PM
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QRV on 30m CW as of 2230z on 20 March. I saw the announcement on their Facebook group, threw my call in once and got through!
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Started calling within the first few minutes they were QRV and the pileup blew up rapidly. Made it through after a few minutes on 30m CW QSX UP 10.2 for an ATNO ;D
73
Mason - KM4SII
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Started calling within the first few minutes they were QRV and the pileup blew up rapidly. Made it through after a few minutes on 30m CW QSX UP 10.2 for an ATNO ;D
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Mason - KM4SII
congradulations!
Ray
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Got in on 30m after maybe 15-20 mins.. pileup was getting big.. worked up 12. Big sigs. Need a few band fills.. hoping for 160 and really hoping for 6m.
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Got in on 30m after maybe 15-20 mins.. pileup was getting big.. worked up 12. Big sigs. Need a few band fills.. hoping for 160 and really hoping for 6m.
Sorry about that pileup. I think I was the first one to spot them on the cluster :)
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QRV on 30m CW as of 2230z on 20 March. I saw the announcement on their Facebook group, threw my call in once and got through!
Pete, got them on 15 SSB in 2012 and have no recollection of it LOL
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Got in on 30m after maybe 15-20 mins.. pileup was getting big.. worked up 12. Big sigs. Need a few band fills.. hoping for 160 and really hoping for 6m.
Sorry about that pileup. I think I was the first one to spot them on the cluster :)
Hah! You had to be the one who spotted him ;D
Hey, I needed the pileup practice..
Always look on the bright side of life.. ::)
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40 meters CW right now, FB signal in central Europe and a small pileup ...
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Got in on 30m after maybe 15-20 mins.. pileup was getting big.. worked up 12. Big sigs. Need a few band fills.. hoping for 160 and really hoping for 6m.
Sorry about that pileup. I think I was the first one to spot them on the cluster :)
Hah! You had to be the one who spotted him ;D
I paid for it by wading into an impossible pileup for my white whale, JD1-M. Op had a P5-sized pileup. Couldn't even find one QSX in 90 minutes of trying. He's still there but working one every 45 seconds and none on the east coast. That's the single hardest Asian DXCC entity from here that isn't Scarborough Reef or DPRK. Only worked 5 Qs in 22 years, and none since 2014.
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Only need CY0S on 160m, may do the marathon this year so worked on 40m cw.
No idea if I'll hear them on 160.
Didn't realize JD1-M was on, so worked that also.
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Big split up 15 kHz nearly to 10.122 on 30M ... that's where I got them anyway. They were moving up and down the band - finally got in front of them.
Still listening at 02:45 UTC and there is some industrial jamming - like government jamming - very loud here in Florida.
Randy / WB9LUR
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That's the single hardest Asian DXCC entity from here that isn't Scarborough Reef or DPRK. Only worked 5 Qs in 22 years, and none since 2014.
Harder than XZ or EZ?
73 John AF5CC
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Worked 0411Z, 17m cw, 80w. NTX.
Seems to be gone now (0422Z).
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That's the single hardest Asian DXCC entity from here that isn't Scarborough Reef or DPRK. Only worked 5 Qs in 22 years, and none since 2014.
Harder than XZ or EZ?
I have more 7 QSOs and 2 more bands with XZ than JD-M. And I have more QSOs with Scarborough than I do with Turkmenistan. I'm 0 for P5, though. But of the active or somewhat-active entities in that part of the world, JD1-M is in rarified air for the US East Coast.
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I have more 7 QSOs and 2 more bands with XZ than JD-M. And I have more QSOs with Scarborough than I do with Turkmenistan. I'm 0 for P5, though. But of the active or somewhat-active entities in that part of the world, JD1-M is in rarified air for the US East Coast.
I'll certainly keep watch for him. I had to adjust my alerts as he comes in as Ogasawara, not Minami Torishima. JD1/M would be at ATNO. It would be nice to see a good size dxpedition go. As you stated - a rare one here on the US East Coast.
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The /JD1 guy never has a great signal even out here. I've worked him twice. Last night on 15 he was ok, but not huge.
CY0S was easy on 12ssb. 30 cw pileup was up 15 and a lot of the callers were following his qrg very well. I worked him up 10 and was laughing at how many callers were piled up at +3-5. 17 cw was not as hard. 30M ft8 this morning he stopped printing. Too many Asian countries calling on the wrong time slot wiped his signal out. It looks like east coast is doing well.
Frank KG6N
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On 12M FT8, the CY0S clock was sometimes far off as much as 8 seconds. He was copying callers so he must have been looking at previous calls before his clock erred.
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and the DQRM chased the operator off 15 cw.
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Is it me, or are these pileups kinda silly given the rarity? I didn't think CY0 was such a coveted entity.
Frank KG6N
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On 12M FT8, the CY0S clock was sometimes far off as much as 8 seconds. He was copying callers so he must have been looking at previous calls before his clock erred.
Yes, I'm seeing that right now as I try to work them on 12m FT8. Their time synch drifts between 0.0 and -5.0s.
I'll hazard a guess that their computer is getting overwhelmed by the number of callers it's trying to decode.
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Their log is up on ClubLog.
Gino
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Blind luck made me the 12m ssb qso. Says only 140 or so of them made. 5 slots so far from the poor, suffering 6 land...
Frank KG6N
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Getting CY0S in the log. CW pileups have been reasonable, jammers seem largely discouraged this time.
This is more like it.
I was surprised how many bands I had somehow not covered on this one over the years. Making up for it now.
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I've never liked the term "Deliberate QRM" for happens on the DX stations xmit frequency.
There are jammers, mistaken simplex senders, and cops/police that take turns interfering and only the first ones are truly deliberate QRMers and they are often the easiest to filter out!
Some of this will always be there, some could be reduced. DX stations could ID more and include UP every time. The CY0S ops I've listened to have been pretty good. Ops could learn how to make sure they are on split correctly before xmitting, and make sure they go split after clicking on a spot before xmitting.
I made a suggestion to the RBN skimmer group that they improve the skimmer software to detect "UP" and indicate on spots UP - too many people just click and xmit. That apparently is not seen as doable.
Many of the police seem to have problems sending UP correctly and efficiently, maybe CW Ops could have a DXpedition Police course on sending the letter P, since that often seems to turn into L or Q and then a long series of dits...
73 John K3TN
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Is it me, or are these pileups kinda silly given the rarity? I didn't think CY0 was such a coveted entity.
Frank KG6N
here in vk it was ATNO for me and i have 311 worked 306 confirmed im in the log for 17m cw and managed 30m,20m and 12m ft8 they were very strong on 12m. 10m would have been great as i worked about 35 around 00:00 utc on 10m ssb many from the east coast even the endfed halfwave and 100w brigade were 55 3 atno's in the last 4 months possibly more
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This morning on 20 FT8 I'm getting little to no print. It seems there are a lot of callers, but no copy out here.
Frank KG6N
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I was the 2nd op to work them on 80M CW after the OP took a short break after European sunrise. While listening afterwards I heard him CQing a lot at 3M and I think he worked on G station in Europe. Good opportunity for stateside to work them on CW if you are up during the wee hours of the morning.
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I was the 2nd op to work them on 80M CW after the OP took a short break after European sunrise. While listening afterwards I heard him CQing a lot at 3M and I think he worked on G station in Europe. Good opportunity for stateside to work them on CW if you are up during the wee hours of the morning.
They were super easy earlier, too. I was out at a Jeep Club meeting and when I got home I saw them spotted on both 160 and 80. With a few seconds of listening I worked them with one call on both bands quite handily. They had a huge signal on 160, too!
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I worked them on 40 cw yesterday, but no qsos in the log for 40 meters, was it a pirate?
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Is it me, or are these pileups kinda silly given the rarity? I didn't think CY0 was such a coveted entity.
Not really. It is not likely to be an ATNO for many NA stations.
But, there are a lot of bands to be filled. It is perhaps not for nothing that they commenced operations on 17m and 30m, which according to Clublog are (comparatively) less activated.
Moreover, it is 49th on the world-wide need list. Just because it is easy for us doesn't make it easy for everyone.
Suggestion: Go do a "rent a shack" sometime. Lots of Caribbean islands have contesting stations that can be rented for a week or so. Just show up and operate (maybe get a license, maybe just run CEPT). You can be the DX yourself with minimal fuss.
I guarantee that there will be pileups, hefty ones, especially on the WARC bands or 80/160. 6m, if they have it, can easily be a feeding frenzy if it is open at all. But you can even raise a pile on 20.
I expected to find I didn't need much for CY0. I took a closer look and found out I had a lot of band slots to fill after all. Shouldn't really be so. But it is so. I'm off filling them.
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I worked them on 40 cw yesterday, but no qsos in the log for 40 meters, was it a pirate?
The last I looked, about an hour ago, they still had only uploaded the early 30/17 stuff and not later operations. That will change.
Wait a day or two and see.
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Clublog lists the time and date of the last QSO in the upload.
Some operations take extra time to upload logs for certain bands or modes.
There is a statistics page where you can get an idea what has been uploaded.
I recently did an OQRS and got the CW contest QSOs confirmed 36 hours after the FT8 contacts.
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Another thing I've noticed:
The last date and time of the QSO applies to the logs uploaded but with multi-stations and multiple computers, it may not reflect all qso's. I've run into that a lot and then my qso shows up. VK9 recently had that....
Frank KG6N
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I worked them on 40 cw yesterday, but no qsos in the log for 40 meters, was it a pirate?
The log was just updated, but you are not in the log on 40m CW. My 40m CW QSO from last night is there so most likely you worked a pirate, or your call was busted.
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In the log on 17, 30, and 160 CW. Thus far unable to get through on 12, 15, and 40 CW. 40 was very crowded last night.
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The log was just updated, but you are not in the log on 40m CW. My 40m CW QSO from last night is there so most likely you worked a pirate, or your call was busted.
Unfortuantely, Mason is almost certainly correct. I just looked and all my own QSOs are uploaded, regardless of band or mode.
The most recent was at 22-Mar at 17:10z. That is not to say absolutely every QSO has been uploaded. As has been pointed out, on large DXpeditions, there are multiple stations, multiple computers, and multiple logs. Collecting these for upload is a task, but a lower priority one and have gaps depending on how they are aggregated. But, the correct bet is, alas, "not in log".
Work an "insurance" contact on 40 because it probably isn't "insurance".
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Just checked clublog and all QSO's were there. 3 new band fills 10, 15 and 160 meter CW. Also 30 meter CW which my only prior contact was 30 meter RTTY.
So I'm done unless a miracle happens and 6 meters opens up. Lets hope so.
73,
David KE4YD
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I'm trying to work them on 10m FT8 right now... (10m is the last HF band I need CY0 on) They are very strong with 5 or so streams. Then they will go a cycle with nothing... then a couple more cycles transmitting... then one, even two with nothing. It doesn't act like propagation fading as it's all or nothing.
I've not seen this before... any 'informed' guesses as to what is going on? Thanks
EDIT: Someone just posted on the cluster "TX audio issues" and I put on my headphones... yeah, sounds weird. Something not right there. They may be trying to fix it. But despite the issues they are working stations all over the globe!
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To IW0HQE, you are in the 9X5RU log on 40 cw, people were spotting
CY0S on 7.025 when it was actually 9X5RU.
Dan WG5G
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10m FT8 was a few calls about an hour ago...They should all be that easy!
Frank KG6N
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Seems like maybe they are overdriving the audio into the radio... but either way, I moved down lower in the waterfall and shortly thereafter I got a call... then a very long and suspenseful two cycles of nothing... and FINALLY an RR73. <Whew!> had me worried there... ;)
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Finally got them on 20m, after many hours. Some strange things happening. This makes 2 bands worked.
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Seems like maybe they are overdriving the audio into the radio... but either way, I moved down lower in the waterfall and shortly thereafter I got a call... then a very long and suspenseful two cycles of nothing... and FINALLY an RR73. <Whew!> had me worried there... ;)
Same thing happened with my QSO.
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There are issues on 20m FT8 -- more than just the time sync. I described it in detail on their Facebook group if anyone is interested, but the main takeaway is that they do not seem to be hearing callers in the upper part of the pileup. If you have your VFO set to something like 14091.3 as I did, you need to call below 1600 or so. I was calling above that for HOURS without getting a response. As soon as I moved to nearly on CY0S' frequency, I was answered straight away. To think of all that time I wasted... :P
Oh well, at least I am finally in the log!
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Hmmm. Maybe this explains why I've had most of my success on CW this time around.
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I'm trying to work them on 10m FT8 right now... (10m is the last HF band I need CY0 on) They are very strong with 5 or so streams. Then they will go a cycle with nothing... then a couple more cycles transmitting... then one, even two with nothing. It doesn't act like propagation fading as it's all or nothing.
If it is what is happening on 20m FT8, they bounce back and forth between frequencies. For a few cycles they are just above 14.091, then the next few cycles they will move down 2 KHz or so, and so on. Very odd.
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There are issues on 20m FT8 -- more than just the time sync.
I noticed that they do not TX all the time. There are periods they will skip every other of their TX cycles. When they resume, the same calls are still being serviced for the most part.
They TX mostly with 5 streams, the third stream is almost exactly on 1000Hz. So 2 streams under and 2 streams above 1000Hz. That must cause problems with the F&H standard.
There were times when the streams seemed to shift around 400Hz lower. I cannot say for sure it was their signal because I had no decodes of those, but it coincided with when they were supposed to be on TX and were not on the expected frequency.
The above could all be happening on my end, who knows. Just mentioning them in case others noticed something similar.
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I worked them on 40 cw yesterday, but no qsos in the log for 40 meters, was it a pirate?
The log was just updated, but you are not in the log on 40m CW. My 40m CW QSO from last night is there so most likely you worked a pirate, or your call was busted.
Yes, I will try and work them again, thank you ;)
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There are issues on 20m FT8 -- more than just the time sync. I described it in detail on their Facebook group if anyone is interested, but the main takeaway is that they do not seem to be hearing callers in the upper part of the pileup. If you have your VFO set to something like 14091.3 as I did, you need to call below 1600 or so. I was calling above that for HOURS without getting a response. As soon as I moved to nearly on CY0S' frequency, I was answered straight away. To think of all that time I wasted... :P
Oh well, at least I am finally in the log!
Is your 20m QSO in their log? Do they have their log in some other web site other than Clublog? I worked them very early this morning on 20m FT8, but Clublog statistics still shows ZERO QSOs on 20m.
Marvin VE3VEE
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Is your 20m QSO in their log? Do they have their log in some other web site other than Clublog? I worked them very early this morning on 20m FT8, but Clublog statistics still shows ZERO QSOs on 20m.
Marvin VE3VEE
I just worked them a few minutes ago so I will not yet be in the log. As far as I am aware of, ClubLog is the only place you can find their log. I have seen others reporting potential missing QSOs, so be aware of that as well.
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So I'm done unless a miracle happens and 6 meters opens up. Lets hope so.
They were spotted on MSK144 mode on 50.260 around 2300z. I've copied a few stations calling them but nothing from CY0S. I have Sable on 6m from 2008 (SSB) but MSK would be an interesting mode to work them on for sure.
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559 on 160m, working EU.
Still 30 minutes till sundown here.
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So I'm done unless a miracle happens and 6 meters opens up. Lets hope so.
They were spotted on MSK144 mode on 50.260 around 2300z. I've copied a few stations calling them but nothing from CY0S. I have Sable on 6m from 2008 (SSB) but MSK would be an interesting mode to work them on for sure.
Interesting.. I saw that one and only spot as well. I listened over there but nothing heard (one MSK transmission but I wasn't quite in that mode yet). Well, hopefully soon they'll be on 6 for some time.
40m they're loud and the pileups are still big. I don't need them on 40 for any challenge points but I am trying with my QRP rig for my QRP DXCC totals. Probably best to wait several days. I think they did call me once or twice (they almost had my full call) but I got stepped on by folks calling out of turn and I think they moved on.
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559 on 160m, working EU.
Still 30 minutes till sundown here.
I did get them on 160m, but had to wait until it was fully dark here. Long, slow QSB.
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559 on 160m, working EU.
Still 30 minutes till sundown here.
I did get them on 160m, but had to wait until it was fully dark here. Long, slow QSB.
Think I did, but not sure. Cop decided to key up on him.. signal was up and down.
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you need to call below 1600 or so. I was calling above that for HOURS without getting a response. As soon as I moved to nearly on CY0S' frequency, I was answered straight away. To think of all that time I wasted... :P
Ditto
I have seen others reporting potential missing QSOs, so be aware of that as well.
Just checked and my 10m FT8 QSO is not there... yet. Upload was after my QSO time, but that may not include 'all logs', might just be one station. I am still hopeful. - I am now in the 'if only' category with satellite & 6m.
I described it in detail on their Facebook group if anyone is interested
I went and read it... the guy explaining that they are using WSJT-X with N1MM and the 'fake it' part... sounds like he is right on the money. And no, one does not need to use Hound mode to work them. Fox/Hound needs to probably go away, it doesn't help. I worked them using regular mode and did NOT move streams and got through to RR73 twice. The problem with the way the Fox/Hound mode moves you down to where they are at is the clueless people calling on THEIR frequency and then covering up your reply. I just stay put and their software will still answer.
GL & 73, Kevin N4UFO
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559 on 160m, working EU.
Still 30 minutes till sundown here.
I did get them on 160m, but had to wait until it was fully dark here. Long, slow QSB.
Think I did, but not sure. Cop decided to key up on him.. signal was up and down.
Looks like the logs are getting uploaded piecemeal. My 160m QSO hit ClubLog almost immediately, but I have several others, both CW and FT8, that haven't shown up yet.
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I don't really need them but I have noticed that one of there CW Op seems to be having problems. Sometimes he kind of glitches in his responses and other times I get the feeling he is having a hard time picking up call signs due to the speed.
I have no idea why they are not on SSB! There signal is good, they could easily be working a lot of stations on SSB.
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i have 40cw ,30m ft8 17cw and 12 ft i worked them on 20m but no 20m logs are up atm . they have been quite workable and they have listened for us vk's which is great we have alot of storms here so 80m will be a stretch i have seen them sporadically on 10m so im hopeful but not counting on it its been a very good atno for me. now to find them on 15m lol :)
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Their log is showing 20m ft8 now. Problem is the stats page is only showing that there were only 23 20m FT8 q's.
They made way more than 23 for sure and I got a 73 but I did not show. Oh well I went ahead and worked them again just now.
Gino - KE8KMX
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My 10M FT8 contact just got uploaded to Clublog. 662 miles is a tough distance for 10 meters as it is too short for typical F2 skip on 10M.
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The updates were accumulating slowly, but after an hour or so they all seem to be there.
40m from W6 last night was a zoo! I went to bed.
Frank KG6N
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Their log is showing 20m ft8 now. Problem is the stats page is only showing that there were only 23 20m FT8 q's.
They made way more than 23 for sure and I got a 73 but I did not show. Oh well I went ahead and worked them again just now.
Gino - KE8KMX
thx Gino my qso is there which is great hoping for 10m and 15m and ssb would be nice at least once we will see
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More 20m contacts uploaded to ClubLog. Mine is there now.
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Fox/Hound needs to probably go away, it doesn't help.
I agree. All that is needed are agreed-to DX calling frequencies (like 14.090) and for the DX to have multi-stream capability. There's no technical reason for callers to have to use Hound mode, there only needs to be an understanding to always work split. Also an understanding that for the VFO frequency the DX will be at 500 Hz to say 700 Hz multi-stream and will listen up to 3 KHz, or something like that. This is pretty much being done now with DXpeds that use MSHV.
73 Jim K6OK
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My 10M FT8 contact just got uploaded to Clublog. 662 miles is a tough distance for 10 meters as it is too short for typical F2 skip on 10M.
I'm about 20 miles closer than you and if that wasn't a FT8 QSO I don't think it would've been possible on CW or SSB. I needed 10. Missed 10m in the previous expeditions to Sable because it is so close.
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Fox/Hound needs to probably go away, it doesn't help.
"Hound" needs to be a toggle on the main display somewhere and not yank the frequency either. That would eliminate about 99 per cent of the awkwardness.
It has virtues in that the Fox has a queue to manage and that the logging is automatic. When the Hound sees the RR73, the Hound knows they are logged. With regular FT8, this is not certain.
On the Hound side, it also dispenses, 100 per cent, with the trailing "73" which is also a benefit, especially when you consider the frequency shift, which also has technical advantages in terms of completing QSOs.
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559 on 160m, working EU.
Still 30 minutes till sundown here.
I did get them on 160m, but had to wait until it was fully dark here. Long, slow QSB.
Think I did, but not sure. Cop decided to key up on him.. signal was up and down.
Looks like the logs are getting uploaded piecemeal. My 160m QSO hit ClubLog almost immediately, but I have several others, both CW and FT8, that haven't shown up yet.
My 160m cw shows in the log now. :)
Last HF band needed.
My T-8 (20m-10m) is a very marginal 6m antenna, as in almost useless, so probably no 6m luck even if I hear them.
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Silly WSJTX question. I googled it and failed to find another setting, but the TX enable kicks off after 4-5 calls in FH. I have TX watchdog set to 45 minutes....What am I missing?
Frank KG6N
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Silly WSJTX question. I googled it and failed to find another setting, but the TX enable kicks off after 4-5 calls in FH. I have TX watchdog set to 45 minutes....What am I missing?
Frank KG6N
When you are set to hound you will only transmitt for 2 minutes. Joe Taylor designed it that way.
Gino
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20m CW now it's crazy nearly 20khz of a split for basically VE, there is no way Sable is that rare
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...the TX enable kicks off after 4-5 calls in FH. I have TX watchdog set to 45 minutes...
If you want to get around that, switch to JTDX.
As for the TX watchdog set to 45 minutes, that sounds a bit high. I have mine set to 4 minutes.
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...basically VE, there is no way Sable is that rare
I worked it for the very first time this week. It's not an everyday activation, and it may become rarer still.
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Are there missing logs for 3/21 around 2300 on 15 CW or was that a pirate? He was on 21.005.
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According to Clublog they are #49, ahead of Spratley, VU7, and ZK3.
They are also loud, which means bigger pileups.
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Still some whacky stuff going on with their FT8. I was able to get in the log on 17m FT8 by calling a good bit below their TX and without F/H mode enabled. They are exceptionally loud here though... +26db!
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It has virtues in that the Fox has a queue to manage and that the logging is automatic. When the Hound sees the RR73, the Hound knows they are logged. With regular FT8, this is not certain.
On the Hound side, it also dispenses, 100 per cent, with the trailing "73" which is also a benefit, especially when you consider the frequency shift, which also has technical advantages in terms of completing QSOs.
When I see an RR73, 'I' know I am logged and I am not in Hound mode. And my WSJT-X in regular mode does not send the trailing "73". So tell me again why I need to be in Hound mode? <rhetorical> I don't. The DX needs to be in multi-stream, the callers should call in regular mode. It's not like the DX's software knows whether you are in hound or regular mode. And it doesn't care whether your stream moves or not as long as it copies your R-## report.
That said, I could be wrong, there may be some advantage I don't see, but for me, so far, Hound is not needed.
Still some whacky stuff going on with their FT8. I was able to get in the log on 17m FT8 by calling a good bit below their TX and without F/H mode enabled. They are exceptionally loud here though... +26db!
Agreed, yesterday was 'whacky'! My 10m FT8 showed up in Clublog overnight, so I am done on HF. I would love a 6m or satellite contact, but with the weather forecast at my QTH, I don't hold out a whole lotta of hope of that. :-\
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Still some whacky stuff going on with their FT8. I was able to get in the log on 17m FT8 by calling a good bit below their TX and without F/H mode enabled. They are exceptionally loud here though... +26db!
If that wasn't a pirate, it means they are NOT using F/H and using software other than WSJTX (yes, I saw the photo, but...)
Marvin VE3VEE
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Still some whacky stuff going on with their FT8. I was able to get in the log on 17m FT8 by calling a good bit below their TX and without F/H mode enabled. They are exceptionally loud here though... +26db!
If that wasn't a pirate, it means they are NOT using F/H and using software other than WSJTX (yes, I saw the photo, but...)
Marvin VE3VEE
I believe they are still using F/H with WSJT-X despite the unusual behavior. I know it sounds odd, but someone explained what is probably happening over on the CY0S Facebook group:
"My best guess is that they're running WSJT-X with N1MM, controlling the rig via the N1MM integration, on like 14.091, maybe. When you control the rig that way via N1MM, it doesn't want you to run split with "Rig", it wants you to "fake it" - so, they're set at like 14091, maybe set a bit too high in the passband, and when the rig goes to "fake it" on TX, sometimes it doesn't come back, so they're like 1.5k down from where they think they are, until after a cycle or two it takes and comes back. Or something like that. It is definitely impacting the rate."
"yes that almost certainly has to be it. If split is hosed up, then when WSJT-X goes to TX, in the middle-ish of the passband (about 1.5k up!), but the rig doesn’t drop the VFO down, then they’d be transmitting .. about 1.5k up from where they should be. Bam."
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That said, I could be wrong, there may be some advantage I don't see, but for me, so far, Hound is not needed.
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I also think F/H is not needed. It just confuses people and another issue is when the caller's frequency changes, the new frequency may have QRM and the QSO may not complete. If the DX heard me on my original frequency, they will likely hear also my next transmission on my unchanged frequency.
Multi-stream is good though.
Marvin VE3VEE
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all of my FT8 Q's have been F/H
there are a ton of people calling below them.
when they do 5 streams their upper stream is above 1000???
funny and fun :D
Ray
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I was their first this afternoon when they popped up on 20. Nothing like hearing them calling CQ and listening up 2. ;D
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I was their first this afternoon when they popped up on 20. Nothing like hearing them calling CQ and listening up 2. ;D
Congrats! I worked them on 20m CW, too, but it took me over an hour and this must have been the most painful, the least enjoyable pileup I have ever participated in. The amount of DQRM was just too much. CY0S is my CW#314 and DIGITAL#308.
Dan WG5G worked CY0S on 20m CW, too, but only with his 5 Watts! He must have nerves of steel to do what he does with his QRP!
Marvin VE3VEE
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So far, I have managed CW on 80/40/30/20/15m and FT8 on 40/30/20/17m. The high bands have been very unpredictable thus far. They were extremely strong on 12m during their first day of operation (although I was not able to make it through), and were also putting out a respectable signal on 10m. However today, I heard not so much as a peep of their signal on those two bands. Hopefully propagation swings back around here soon so I can knock out those bands. Just need 60/12/10m now (no 160m here).
73
Mason - KM4SII
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all of my FT8 Q's have been F/H
there are a ton of people calling below them.
All my 5 FT8 QSOs apart from 1 have been through calling below them. Same with 9X5RU.
I can't remember the last DX'pedition that used true F/H where they only worked people +1000, great concept but seems to have died.
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It's good to see a DXpedition willing to do what it takes to put an EME station on the air:
(https://i.ibb.co/pr1Rz6C/Capture1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5x1n8Xq)
Speaking of EME, how about a shameless plug for a webpage (blog) I threw together today regarding the upcoming KH0W 23cm & 70cm EME station? Check it out. Yes, I really do have no shame when it comes to self-promotion!!!
https://EMEfromSaipan.blogspot.com/ (https://EMEfromSaipan.blogspot.com/)
Tom KH0/KC0W
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It was easier to crack the 9X5RU pile up yesterday. Better luck tonight, but not losing sleep over it...had Sable in the book from a long time ago.
V
K3NRX
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when they do 5 streams their upper stream is above 1000???
If I am in the hound mode and the dx FT8 multiple stream falls in the range of 800-1100 Hz, I tune my transceiver 500 Hz higher. That brings their stream down to 300-600 Hz which makes them more fox-like. I have to shift my transmit frequency accordingly.
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So far, I have managed CW on 80/40/30/20/15m and FT8 on 40/30/20/17m. The high bands have been very unpredictable thus far. They were extremely strong on 12m during their first day of operation (although I was not able to make it through), and were also putting out a respectable signal on 10m. However today, I heard not so much as a peep of their signal on those two bands. Hopefully propagation swings back around here soon so I can knock out those bands. Just need 60/12/10m now (no 160m here).
73
Mason - KM4SII
I saw that you worked 4U1UN on 30 meters. Congrats!
73,
Chris NU1O
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I saw that you worked 4U1UN on 30 meters. Congrats!
Thanks! I realized that I only had one FT8 QSO with them -- on 40m (but a boatload on CW, and an SSB QSO as well) -- so I figured I'd give them a call right before I had to leave for class. They were very loud. I saw you calling as well... hope you made the QSO!
But on the topic of CY0S, they are exceedingly strong on 12m FT8 at the moment... the polar opposite of yesterday when I could not hear them at all. Received a +20db report from them.
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Bands are totally shut here must be something to do with the Solar disturbance last night,
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I saw that you worked 4U1UN on 30 meters. Congrats!
Thanks! I realized that I only had one FT8 QSO with them -- on 40m (but a boatload on CW, and an SSB QSO as well) -- so I figured I'd give them a call right before I had to leave for class. They were very loud. I saw you calling as well... hope you made the QSO!
But on the topic of CY0S, they are exceedingly strong on 12m FT8 at the moment... the polar opposite of yesterday when I could not hear them at all. Received a +20db report from them.
No, I did not break the pileup. I was in the pileup for over an hour and then I shut down. Somebody else wrote they've had their fill of pileups and so have I. I'm at 337 current countries and I just don't have the patience to sit and work a pileup for hours to get a Challenge point especially when the copy is not very strong which was the case with 4U1UN. Plus, I haven't been using my amp so with just 100W it's a much bigger challenge. I got the idea when you told me you only run 100W. It's been fun.
I need NoKo, Scarborough Reef, and Peter 1 so I spend time chasing challenge points to stay active. I'm using my tribander on 12, 17 and 30 meters and I'm filling in blanks because things are so slow. It's a big compromise but I have 280 on 17 meters, and about 240 on 30 and 12. There's much to work but I'm not looking to set any records.
Best of luck with DX and school!
73,
Chris NU1O
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Bands are totally shut here must be something to do with the Solar disturbance last night,
Same here. A station from PJ2 is all I heard on 10 meters today.
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CY0S is CQ'ing on 20m FT8 and I can only see 3 stations calling him, I have no signals from anywhere above 20m and it's just sunset here?
Hopefully it might be a clear night and we might get to see some Northern Lights tonight,
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The team is QRV in the WPX SSB contest as a multi-op. Just worked on 20m SSB... good signal and not busy! 40m is a mess right now so I will wait a bit for that.
73
Mason - KM4SII
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I've been listening for them on 6m. They've been running MSK144. I haven't heard them yet but saw several calling them.
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i thought sure i had them on 80m CW but log updates turn up zilch :(
trying to work them on 80m SSB during the contest tonight is extremely challenging due to all the static here; hope i get some more cracks at them on 80m CW
anyone know how long they plan to stay and if 80m CW QSOs from early 3/24 around 01:00z are in the Club Log (date suggests they already are)
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i thought sure i had them on 80m CW but log updates turn up zilch :(
trying to work them on 80m SSB during the contest tonight is extremely challenging due to all the static here; hope i get some more cracks at them on 80m CW
anyone know how long they plan to stay and if 80m CW QSOs from early 3/24 around 01:00z are in the Club Log (date suggests they already are)
I would not completely give up hope as it appears that not all QSOs have been uploaded yet. My 12m FT8 QSO from earlier today has not yet appeared despite it occurring well before the latest log update. I believe they will be there through the 30th so you will likely have another shot if your QSO was indeed busted.
And yes, the static crashers were truly horrendous on 80m tonight. It took some time, but I did eventually make it through from NC with 90w or so. I would bet they will be QRV on 80m again tomorrow tonight, and perhaps the QRN will have lessened by then. Good luck!
73
Mason - KM4SII
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i just noticed the Club Log for CY0S has no SSB slots for 15/17/20/40/80/160m -- must be a glitch?
or was that a pirate working the contest last night at 14.331 and 3.606?
(https://i.postimg.cc/x1Z78y9T/Opera-Snapshot-2023-03-25-100229-clublog-org.png)
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The piggies are out in force on this one. Some already have 10 bands confirmed and are pigging out, one of which posts here. And this DXpedition is not using the leaderboard feature according to ClubLog. They have nothing to gain, except maybe one marathon point. It must be an ego thing.
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i just noticed the Club Log for CY0S has no SSB slots for 15/17/20/40/80/160m -- must be a glitch?
or was that a pirate working the contest last night at 14.331 and 3.606?
They prob won't upload contest logs until after the contest. Based on the number of guys giving the serial number of "001" I would say most are just chasing them for DX vs contest points.
UPDATE: The Clublog charts page now states
WPX CONTEST LOGS WILL BE UPLOADED AFTER THE CONTEST!
Gino - KE8KMX
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I got him on 80M last night. He was loud and strong into South NJ. I busted the pile on 2nd try, which means he had a pipeline right to my home, since my station is anemic. He was doing well in the contest.
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i just noticed the Club Log for CY0S has no SSB slots for 15/17/20/40/80/160m -- must be a glitch?
(https://i.postimg.cc/x1Z78y9T/Opera-Snapshot-2023-03-25-100229-clublog-org.png)
How do Club Log band slots work? -- do the SSB spots not show until logs for SSB have QSO's or does the DXpedition tell Club Log which band slot-modes they will be working?
I really need them on 80m to finally get 8BDXCC LoTW confirmed; and i thought i had them on 80m CW but log updates keep failing to show anything ... Last night I had them on 80m SSB almost but the op finally gave up after getting my callsign but not being able to get my serial number. Static was bad here and they were barely above the noise
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Reading the thread I happened to think it would likely be prudent to upload your relatively small DX logs to LoTW before the end of the WPX contest. WPX being a major contest, it's likely that LoTW will be substantially backed up Sunday night.
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CY0S had a really good OP running 20m SSB today and it was Hilarious.
I think it has been to long since Hams have had to deal with a no non sense Dxpedition guy and this Op was definitely a no nonsense hardcore Dxpediton guy.
All of those attempt to slip in a call while he was waiting for another Op to reply where quickly met with W8... does your call sign sound like PY2...
Then he would gather call signs of annoying Slide in operators and call out two or three of them at a time using their full call sign ;D ;D
Loved it loved, he had full control of the pileup and if things got out of hand he would go QRX for a few minutes until the Piglets settled down.
No need for Cops, he had it all under control.
It's a pity that 9X5RU stays so much on FT8 and shy's away from doing a lot of SSB.
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All of those attempt to slip in a call while he was waiting for another Op to reply where quickly met with W8... does your call sign sound like PY2...
Wish he had been the op on 3Y0X (Peter 1) instead of the bozo who caused me to lose a 10M contact. The op clearly came back to my call on SSB, but worked a caller who wouldn't shut the **** up. Never was able to get through on 10M after that. If a DXpedition op doesn't maintain control, the mob will take over. Just like any other aspect of life where discipline is needed.
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They are alternating between working EU and NA on 40m SSB this evening. Here is what they sounded like at my QTH during one of their EU runs: https://youtu.be/Ujg1nZwt7qc
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The piggies are out in force on this one. Some already have 10 bands confirmed and are pigging out, one of which posts here. And this DXpedition is not using the leaderboard feature according to ClubLog. They have nothing to gain, except maybe one marathon point. It must be an ego thing.
When there was a large scale activity Sable I. before the recent one? There for sure are a lot of folks who never worked CY0 and who need Challenge points.
With my 2950 confirmed I needed them on 160, 30 (done), 15 and 10 (waiting for indexes to go down). Fortunately there are no "good for nothing 3Y0J joking pilots" talking of ONE QSO only
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Wish he had been the op on 3Y0X (Peter 1) instead of the bozo who caused me to lose a 10M contact. The op clearly came back to my call on SSB, but worked a caller who wouldn't shut the **** up. Never was able to get through on 10M after that. If a DXpedition op doesn't maintain control, the mob will take over. Just like any other aspect of life where discipline is needed.
Same with me with Iris Colvin. Forget where they were, but IIRC somewhere in Asia. Called and she comes back (to a partial of my old callsign). I repeat and she's going back to someone else. Listened to her do that several times. Poor/terrible operator.
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They were CQing with no takers on 75M at 4AM Eastern time. l listened for a while and only heard them work one other station.
#85 for my 75M Phone DXCC. I've worked Phone DXCC on 6 other bands.
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Same with me with Iris Colvin. Forget where they were, but IIRC somewhere in Asia. Called and she comes back (to a partial of my old callsign). I repeat and she's going back to someone else. Listened to her do that several times. Poor/terrible operator.
The Colvins were never great operators. Whenever they said "QRX" you knew that meant "QRT." No matter how big the pile-up was, Lloyd would "CQ" after every QSO. Some close friends tried to get him to stop doing that, but to no avail. It was always a mixed bag when they showed up from somewhere. Their main claim to fame was the large number of entities they activated, some pretty rare.
There was some questions at the time about how they got licenses for some of their activations. They'd just show up somewhere and in short order they'd be on the air. I never heard any accusations but some people were concerned that they might be hurting the chances for others to get a license.
Once a year they'd have a party at their home in Richmond which was round and reminded one of a lighthouse. There was a room with all the QSL cards they had received filed in drawers. You could find QSLs you had sent them.
73, Chuck - AA6G
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Listened to her do that several times. Poor/terrible operator.
The Colvins were never great operators.
Definitely a different era of DXing. A friend of mine dubbed them Floyd and Virus.
I met them at Visalia. Nice folks despite their eccentricities. Lloyd had the honor of operating with the longest callsign I ever worked on CW; GC5ACI/WB6QEP.
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Anyone work CY0S on 17m FT8 today or Yesterday and see there Q in the log ??
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Worked them 3 x on 17m FT8, then I noticed a note "Some FT8 logs are delayed", so maybe my QSO's are in the delayed upload.
Patience.
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Yes there logs seem to be all over the place , They did a upload a while ago but it seems to be the VHF stuff only,
No 17m QSO's as far as I can see
Worked them 3 x on 17m FT8, then I noticed a note "Some FT8 logs are delayed", so maybe my QSO's are in the delayed upload.
Patience.
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Fortunately there are no "good for nothing 3Y0J joking pilots" talking of ONE QSO only
I take it you haven't seen the actual "order" from a 3Y0J Team Member to that pilot? It exists in Messenger snapshots, I've seen them all, and I have them all.
That pilot is a friend of mine (for decades) and I can assure you he did exactly what he was asked to do. And he did it well.
There are people that know, and there are people that don't. You're in the latter.
NØUN
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Fortunately there are no "good for nothing 3Y0J joking pilots" talking of ONE QSO only
I take it you haven't seen the actual "order" from a 3Y0J Team Member to that pilot? It exists in Messenger snapshots, I've seen them all, and I have them all.
That pilot is a friend of mine (for decades) and I can assure you he did exactly what he was asked to do. And he did it well.
There are people that know, and there are people that don't. You're in the latter.
NØUN
Wayne,
All I KNOW is that in accordance with the pilot's request after 30m QSO I quit calling missing the chance for a needed 17m QSO. You did NOT and have 17m QSO confirmed. What's the value of those secret Messenger snapshots of yours?
Then I found out from the team leader that ONE QSO request never existed. Whom do I need to believe?
What I know for sure is that if there were no pilots, video interviews and tons of published pictures VK6CQ and other envious trolls would have no food.
Pozdrowienia ze Lwowa
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Please don't pollute this thread with more crap about 3Y0J, it is over, it is what it was, nothing can be done now to change anything build a bridge and move on, please don't get another thread locked,
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Anyone work CY0S on 17m FT8 today or Yesterday and see there Q in the log ??
I worked them yesterday on 17m... but they were suspiciously strong. I'm too close where their skip goes well over on bands like 17m and they had 4 very strong streams. WFWL, but I have a feeling I possibly worked a pirate. If it wasn't a pirate - then it was interesting band conditions!
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They just posted my CQ WPX 75M Phone QSO. I just need them on 6, 12, and 15 meters.
I got my 6M Yagi back up yesterday afternoon but haven't heard them.
Zak W1VT
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Fortunately there are no "good for nothing 3Y0J joking pilots" talking of ONE QSO only
I take it you haven't seen the actual "order" from a 3Y0J Team Member to that pilot? It exists in Messenger snapshots, I've seen them all, and I have them all.
That pilot is a friend of mine (for decades) and I can assure you he did exactly what he was asked to do. And he did it well.
There are people that know, and there are people that don't. You're in the latter.
NØUN
Wayne,
All I KNOW is that in accordance with the pilot's request after 30m QSO I quit calling missing the chance for a needed 17m QSO. You did NOT and have 17m QSO confirmed. What's the value of those secret Messenger snapshots of yours?
Then I found out from the team leader that ONE QSO request never existed. Whom do I need to believe?
What I know for sure is that if there were no pilots, video interviews and tons of published pictures VK6CQ and other envious trolls would have no food.
Pozdrowienia ze Lwowa
More like you would have no food.
You call my friend "good for nothing", and now you call out my 17M insurance Q with 3Y0J?
Here Mr. Ukrainian, I call bullshit on you stopping after your 30M Q. That's why you worked them a second time on 30 Meters CW?
(https://www.n0un.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/us5we.png)
Here's what I know for sure - don't cut off the hands that feed you & don't call my friend (who did an exceptional job relaying the info given him) "good for nothing".
NØUN
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More 17m contacts uploaded to ClubLog. Mine is there now.
Hoping to get a 12m contact completed. Four "bites" so far but no RR73.
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Anyone work CY0S on 17m FT8 today or Yesterday and see there Q in the log ??
I worked them yesterday on 17m... but they were suspiciously strong. I'm too close where their skip goes well over on bands like 17m and they had 4 very strong streams. WFWL, but I have a feeling I possibly worked a pirate. If it wasn't a pirate - then it was interesting band conditions!
Well I'll be darned. My 17m QSO was good. I guess 17m must have a skip pattern that hits my house lol. Like each of their 4 threads were like +9 each. Just looking today they are +4 on each thread. I could barely hear them on 20m or 15m. 17m... Ray gun.
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One thing I do know for sure is that 3Y0J put an official message out that people should not make more than one contact. I will really be pissed off if Ken or anybody else in charge tries to revise history and make it sound like that did not happen! >:(
Had I known what I know now I would have duped all my contacts four or five times.
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While I can still fond CY0S on Club Log search I am puzzled that it is no longer on the main DXpedition page.
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Michael from Clublog said elsewhere that it's something to do with it being an old callsign and QSO's older than 12 months in the log ECT,
If you click on the full list it is still there,
He didn't mention a fix for the issue,
While I can still fond CY0S on Club Log search I am puzzled that it is no longer on the main DXpedition page.
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Clublog split the expeditions into two parts: Expeditions and Special Callsigns. Callsigns with QSOs older than 6 months are moved to the Special Callsigns page, CY0S has QSOs going back to 2021.
Near the top of the Expeditions page is a link to the Special Callsigns page and CY0S is listed there and you can access all the same statistics as Expeditions.
https://clublog.org/specialcalls.php
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Michael from Clublog said elsewhere that it's something to do with it being an old callsign and QSO's older than 12 months in the log ECT,
If you click on the full list it is still there,
He didn't mention a fix for the issue,
While I can still fond CY0S on Club Log search I am puzzled that it is no longer on the main DXpedition page.
Thanks for that. I found it.
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From those "one of those days" files. I was waiting on 60m tonight for CY0S to show up. They did, and I was the first station they replied to with a signal report...then either my software or the radio screwed up and I was unable to give them my 73 message. I saw them calling me a few times before giving up and there was nothing I could do. The radio just failed to switch into TX. It took me an hour to fix it and I'm able to call again, but now I can't get through. Gaah. That's the last band I needed them on too! Thankfully it doesn't count for DXCC, but I would love to know what caused the problem so it never happens again; it's happened several times in the last month.
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The radio just failed to switch into TX. ...it's happened several times in the last month.
My software will do that too. It's usually after I click "halt" in order to find a clear frequency and then hit "enable" to call again. So far, it's only missed one cycle and then behaves normally. I have had the RX hang and had to reboot WSJT to get the print started again. WSJT likes my radio to be online when it opens or sometimes it won't find it.
I did finally get him on 60m, but it was one of the toughest pileups for him yet. Man, lots of guys calling. To make matters worse the band wasn't really open here yet when I first tuned to 60. His signal did finally build up to around a -14 or -15 and I finally got through. Hard to believe the demand is so high on 60m. He obviously was hearing EU as well as NA, so that was a further complication. Everyone was saying "MSHV," but I only got him after I switched to F/H. That's happened on a couple of other bands too.
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From those "one of those days" files. I was waiting on 60m tonight for CY0S to show up. They did, and I was the first station they replied to with a signal report...then either my software or the radio screwed up and I was unable to give them my 73 message. I saw them calling me a few times before giving up and there was nothing I could do. The radio just failed to switch into TX. It took me an hour to fix it and I'm able to call again, but now I can't get through. Gaah. That's the last band I needed them on too! Thankfully it doesn't count for DXCC, but I would love to know what caused the problem so it never happens again; it's happened several times in the last month.
They are operating in F/H mode. THey don't need your 73. Guess I got lucky last night and was able to work them on 60m after only about 5 min of calling. They have not uploaded any 60m q's to clublog yet but I got a 73 from them so I expect to be in their log. I worked them 5 other bands ft8 set to hound, got their 73 but never sent them one and I made their log every time. 60m will make 10 bands for me but I am still holding out hope that I can get them on 6m. Time is running out.
Gino - KE8KMX
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Heard them make a few 6M meteor scatter contacts! Very slow mode, just a few contacts per hour in the morning and even slower in the evening, due to the way meteors collide with the Earth.
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60m Qs are now in ClubLog.
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After working them on 80m FT8 tonight, I essentially have a clean sweep of all modes on all bands 80-12m (plus a 60m FT8 QSO as a bonus) .... I am now only missing 12m SSB.
Unfortunately, 10m has been a bit of a challenge and I have yet to be able to work them there. They had a reasonable signal there during the first day or two of the DXpedition, but the pileups were too large for me to break. After that, I have not heard a single peep out of them on 10m, even when they are loud on 12m. I suppose I am just a bit too close. Hopefully I get an opening before they go QRT!
73
Mason - KM4SII
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After that, I have not heard a single peep out of them on 10m, even when they are loud on 12m. I suppose I am just a bit too close. Hopefully I get an opening before they go QRT!
And now you know why I only needed Sable on 10m this go around... I could never work previous DXpeditions to Sable from NC on 10m. But I got'em now!!! :D GL!!!
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They were coming in well last night on 80m, but I got to the party a little late. 2 minutes into calling them on FT8, they went QSY/QRT.
They appeared next on 160m CW, and was able to work them after a few minutes.
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I just got an unsolicited email confirming that my 6M QSO is in the log!
Zak W1VT
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I just got an unsolicited email confirming that my 6M QSO is in the log!
Zak W1VT
(https://media.tenor.com/AtwTbVE1npgAAAAC/lucky-napoleon.gif)
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While I stepped out for a Dr appt today I see a couple of decodes for the first time on 6m while I was there. I'll keep watch (not sure how much longer they'll be on the air.. today is their last day I believe).
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i thought sure i had them on 80m CW but log updates turn up zilch :(
yesterday i found N0FB in the CY0S log so i am i think that's my call misheard... I need just 2 more countries on 80m for 8 bands DXCC LoTW, and really hoped to get Sable I... using 100 watts and a wire for all of it hasn't come easy :D
seeing they were scheduled only thru March 30th, last night i made up my mind to try first thing this morning on 80m. Got really lucky and woke up just before 3am (07:00z) and was able to get them pretty easily. Now i see i'm IN their log for 80m. phew! :)
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And now you know why I only needed Sable on 10m this go around... I could never work previous DXpeditions to Sable from NC on 10m. But I got'em now!!! :D GL!!!
Congrats on snagging them on 10m! I see they are on 10m SSB right now, but still not even a whisper of a signal here unfortunately.
73
Mason - KM4SII
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And now you know why I only needed Sable on 10m this go around... I could never work previous DXpeditions to Sable from NC on 10m. But I got'em now!!! :D GL!!!
Congrats on snagging them on 10m! I see they are on 10m SSB right now, but still not even a whisper of a signal here unfortunately.
73
Mason - KM4SII
I'm closer than you, Mason, and I got a 10 meter QSO which I needed for a new band. I struck out on 12 and 17 meters, though.
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I see all my QSOs in the last upload, including a 40M FT4 contact last night. Missed them on 12M but got them on all the other bands that count for DXCC Challenge points.
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This one was tough from out west! I ended up with 18 slots. I never did get 80M and one of my 40M ssb qso's was NIL. I worked them in the simplex pileup during the contest. What a mess. He seemed to call the guys who interrupted and the guys saying their calls 40 times....
Great effort from the team and everyone had a shot.
Frank KG6N
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If this was hard for you how many slots would you work on a easy one, 30 or 40 :o
This one was tough from out west! I ended up with 18 slots.
Frank KG6N
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However many their on? I've spent most my ham radio life working entities once per mode, so I need band fills almost everywhere. I enjoy checking off the green boxes and adding slots to my totals. It keeps me motivated to be on the air between ATNO's.
9X5RU has been far easier to work a similar amount of slots with FAR less time involved. It seemed that almost every slot was a pile up that took time to navigate for this one where 9X5 was far faster to work through. I have a relatively small station and am not typically a loud voice on the bands.
Frank KG6N
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I made 13Qs on 9 bands. 5 modes. Four DXCC Challenge points,
I think my 2nd highest slot total was K1N, when I worked Navassa on 11 bands with 11 contacts.
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I'm not sure if I'm overachieving or slumming it here. Rcently I did 22 slots on HD8M, 17 slots on 3B7M, and 30 slots on TN8K.
Frank KG6N
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I try to keep it to the minimum amount of slots / modes needed for dxcc/challenge. If I don't need a particular band / mode for an entity - I'll skip it. My time is somewhat limited between work / family & other obligations so I just try to work only what I need.
I did manage 3 new dxcc challenge slots for CY0S. A few bands I'm too close for the skip zone so I never heard them with the antennas I have. I did listen a lot for 6m. I didn't get any decodes til the last day and even then it was only 2 decodes (I did try calling that day but no luck... that would be fun to activate during 6m E season!). I was happy that 160m was one of the added bands!
Nice operation, thanks to the team!
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I'm not sure if I'm overachieving or slumming it here. Rcently I did 22 slots on HD8M, 17 slots on 3B7M, and 30 slots on TN8K.
Frank KG6N
"Hero" status!
But watch out the eHam Kilocycle Kops will remind you how you cost some undeserving schmuck his little pistol Q's.
:)
NØUN
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Kh9_nDicU
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I apologize I posted the previous message in the wrong thread, please remove it :'(
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is there any word when oqrs will open
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I'm not sure if I'm overachieving or slumming it here. Rcently I did 22 slots on HD8M, 17 slots on 3B7M, and 30 slots on TN8K.
It's called pigging out. But at least those you worked here are using the leaderboard feature. I'm a reformed piggy having participated in the piggy board game years ago, but never saw the need to get on eHam and boast about my slots. "Hey, look at me, look what I did." No matter how many slots we work, no one really cares but we and our egos. Contrary to what some may say, this practice does deny others a chance who may actually need a new one or a band. And that doesn't necessarily mean they are little pistols or undeserving. Not everyone has the propagation to work areas that may favor us during some DXpeditions. I know a VK6 who was down to 3 for all 340 when he finally worked either CY9 or CY0 a few years ago.
There's one who posts here who has worked CY0S with a 10-160 sweep and 21 slots. Below, is what he already had confirmed from past DXpeditions to CY0. This is from the data he uploaded to ClubLog. And CY0S is NOT using the leaderboard feature according to ClubLog. All he had to gain was that one 60M slot. Wouldn't surprise me if he got on that RHR thingy, used the internet, and paid to work these slots he didn't even need. He must just be feeding his ego. Want call him out, but... Hint... He started this thread.
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Jesus, you took the time and effort to research what slot he needed or had to judge him on what he worked? ATNO's come few and far between and I won't be shutting off the radio or passing traffic on 75 meters in between. Wayne suggested this opinion would come about.... Some consider it a hobby to work slots on expeditions. Calling yourself "reformed" implies you had a deficiency. I disagree with that notion. I like to improve my skills and station and see it work when I do so. If someone doesn't make an ATNO and its truly because I made slot #18, it should motivate them to improve. I certainly am not going to be so far up someone's behind to know all the slots they need and get on forums to broadcast it when the work a slot twice.
I've been in the same boat but chose to not use jealousy and to blame others for why I didn't succeed.
Frank KG6N
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OQRS is open for CY0S
73,
David KE4YD
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OQRS is open for CY0S
73,
David KE4YD
I need a LoTW confirmation for one band. Does anybody know if they'll upload their log or must I use OQRS to get the upload?
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OQRS is open for CY0S
73,
David KE4YD
Tnx David
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If they accepted any donation from NCDXF, they will upload to lotw as part of the agreement. I can't remember if the foundation required it within 6mo or a year. I made a donation before oqrs, but I'll still use oqrs at lunch to get a card and expedite the LOTW.
Frank KG6N
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This one somehow snuck up on me so I didn't contribute in advance.
I did put my OQRS in the moment I heard it was opened. Based on the rest of the expedition results, I expect to get the LOTW shortly. Unfortunately, they don't offer an LOTW only -- I'd glady do without the card and leave them a bit more money, but they didn't give me a way to do it. So, I'm sure I'll have a nice card it due course also.
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It's called pigging out. But at least those you worked here are using the leaderboard feature. I'm a reformed piggy having participated in the piggy board game years ago, but never saw the need to get on eHam and boast about my slots.
There's one who posts here who has worked CY0S with a 10-160 sweep and 21 slots. Below, is what he already had confirmed from past DXpeditions to CY0. This is from the data he uploaded to ClubLog. And CY0S is NOT using the leaderboard feature according to ClubLog. All he had to gain was that one 60M slot. Wouldn't surprise me if he got on that RHR thingy, used the internet, and paid to work these slots he didn't even need. He must just be feeding his ego. Want call him out, but... Hint... He started this thread.
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You know you can mention my call if you want to. I really don't mind. I didn't put up a nice station to only work boring crap. It's fun chasing pileups and honing my skills when a semi-rare one comes up. Like everything in life, keeping in practice is important. No RHR needed for this one. and if you don't like it, tough. I don't care. We each chase DX in our own way.
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All confirmed on LOTW. That was quick! Oink Oink
Frank kG6N
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You know you can mention my call if you want to. I really don't mind. I didn't put up a nice station to only work boring crap. It's fun chasing pileups and honing my skills when a semi-rare one comes up. Like everything in life, keeping in practice is important. No RHR needed for this one. and if you don't like it, tough. I don't care. We each chase DX in our own way.
You honed your skills chasing 9X5RU? I don't know how you're just a few from #1 HR if you still need to practice pileup skills in what were very easy pileups. Just admit you'll work DX the way you want and leave it at that because you didn't acquire any skills in those pileups.
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Who doesn't work dx the way they want? Admit? Your insinuating he did something wrong. One mans easy pileup is another's failure. They stay easy with practice. I'd say the first few days they were not as easy. Some people like the challenge. Others ragchew with VK'sd and ZL's on weekends and call themselves DX'ers. Who are you, or any of you to judge?
This place really has become the grumpy old man loitering spot.
Frank KG6N
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You honed your skills chasing 9X5RU? I don't know how you're just a few from #1 HR if you still need to practice pileup skills in what were very easy pileups. Just admit you'll work DX the way you want and leave it at that because you didn't acquire any skills in those pileups.
Honed, yes. Acquired, no. There is a difference.
Chasing split CW pileups (and CW DXing in general) requires practice. The same can be said for remembering how to configure RTTY and chase a split RTTY operation. DXpeditions are the only real options for this kind of thing so you're darned tootin' that when I have the time to play radio and there's a semi-rare one on I'll chase 'em up and down the band to fine-tune the needed muscle memory or whatever it's called. It's not for Greenie Hunting either, and I chased slots long before Clublog leaderboards existed.
If you (the generic you) choose to limit yourself to one Q per band and one per mode that's your own self-imposed limit. Same as if you choose to only use radios you build yourself, or only use QRP or only CW, or log on paper or whatever hurdles you want. Knock yourself out and have fun. When you're a handful back from #1 HR you have to be ready in case someone gets a one-day approval for a demonstration station in Pyongyang or a couple of guys get surprise permission to activate Pratas or San Felix.
I vividly remember when 7O6T was announced in 2012. I think there was a 5 day lead time before they went QRV, and at the time Yemen was either #2 or #3 most wanted, behind P5 and either ahead of or just behind Scarborough Reef. Anybody who's skills had atrophied in the weeks or months leading up to that operation may not have gotten them, or had a lot more trouble working them; those pileups were bloody epic. And there's also the time factor. If your skills are up to date and your reflexes are honed it's easy to get it and out of a snarling, nasty dawgpile right quick fast and in a hurry.
But then there are the more mundane reasons: Is my rotor working correctly? Is my SWR still flat where it should be? Do I have my band/mode presets ready to roll, and do I remember how to quickly go split and not accidentally transmit over the DX? How efficient will I be when it comes time to find the CW QSX? Do I know how to properly set FT8 for F/H or determine if the DX is using MSHV? Is my clock accurate? All of these are simple tasks to be sure, but the more I repeat them the more they remain front-and-center in my mind and the less I have to fumble when the alarms go off. Firefighters drill in their downtime for the same reason. Can they still throw a ladder as fast as they were taught? Can they get water flowing in under 60 seconds? Same applies to this hobby or any other endeavour in life. Practice makes perfect, and the only way to practice DX pileups is to work other DX pileups.
I'm sick of the holier-than-thou types who believe their techniques and methodologies are the only acceptable ones that all of us must follow to work DX—as if these were edicts handed down on stone tablets by Hiram Percy Maxim himself. Get over yourselves. You do you and I'll do me.
This is The Way.
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If you (the generic you) choose to limit yourself to one Q per band and one per mode that's your own self-imposed limit. Same as if you choose to only use radios you build yourself, or only use QRP or only CW, or log on paper or whatever hurdles you want. Knock yourself out and have fun. When you're a handful back from #1 HR you have to be ready in case someone gets a one-day approval for a demonstration station in Pyongyang or a couple of guys get surprise permission to activate Pratas or San Felix.
I vividly remember when 7O6T was announced in 2012. I think there was a 5 day lead time before they went QRV, and at the time Yemen was either #2 or #3 most wanted, behind P5 and either ahead of or just behind Scarborough Reef. Anybody who's skills had atrophied in the weeks or months leading up to that operation may not have gotten them, or had a lot more trouble working them; those pileups were bloody epic. And there's also the time factor. If your skills are up to date and your reflexes are honed it's easy to get it and out of a snarling, nasty dawgpile right quick fast and in a hurry.
But then there are the more mundane reasons: Is my rotor working correctly? Is my SWR still flat where it should be? Do I have my band/mode presets ready to roll, and do I remember how to quickly go split and not accidentally transmit over the DX? How efficient will I be when it comes time to find the CW QSX? Do I know how to properly set FT8 for F/H or determine if the DX is using MSHV? Is my clock accurate? All of these are simple tasks to be sure, but the more I repeat them the more they remain front-and-center in my mind and the less I have to fumble when the alarms go off. Firefighters drill in their downtime for the same reason. Can they still throw a ladder as fast as they were taught? Can they get water flowing in under 60 seconds? Same applies to this hobby or any other endeavour in life. Practice makes perfect, and the only way to practice DX pileups is to work other DX pileups.
I'm sick of the holier-than-thou types who believe their techniques and methodologies are the only acceptable ones that all of us must follow to work DX—as if these were edicts handed down on stone tablets by Hiram Percy Maxim himself. Get over yourselves. You do you and I'll do me.
This is The Way.
I don't have a problem with you working DX on every band and every mode. It's not something I do but its your right. You vastly overrate the skill in all of this. You aren't a ballplayer hitting 99 mph fastballs and 88 mph curves. You are a radio geek like the rest of us. In a CW pileup you push a button to send your call and when the DX calls you, you hit another button which sends "5NN TU". And, you need to hone that skill?
Don't make me laugh because the skill involved is very minimal.
I have the same countries worked as you and I don't consider what I've done as requiring much skill. It took a lot time and dedication but not a whole lot of skill. To say you work DX to hone your skills is laughable.
You work DX because it gives you a rush and because you like doing so. I still experience that rush when I work a new one but not when working Rwanda, and I didn't work that expedition for the practice but for needed band slots.
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" In a CW pileup you push a button to send your call and when the DX calls you, you hit another button which sends "5NN TU". And, you need to hone that skill?"
Really? Its that easy? Are you serious? Just press the button and whamo? Come on man.
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You vastly overrate the skill in all of this. You aren't a ballplayer hitting 99 mph fastballs and 88 mph curves. You are a radio geek like the rest of us. In a CW pileup you push a button to send your call and when the DX calls you, you hit another button which sends "5NN TU". And, you need to hone that skill?
And the professional baseball player that hits a 90 MPH fastball needs to hone that skill daily or soon he won't be a professional baseball player any more.
The skill isn't pushing a button (or in my case using my paddles), but knowing precisely when and where to send the callsign. To say that doesn't require skill is laughable, and those who don't have a handle on it are often the causes of QRM, which affects everybody. Watch a bandscope sometime in a 15 or 20kHz pileup and see how many idiots are calling blindly when the DX is working someone. They haven't mastered or honed the skill. You can't really practice this in day-to-day CW QSOs or even in CW contests; it's something you can only do in a good size DXpedition pileup.
Dunno about you, but I don't want to keep futzing around with settings when the alarms go off. Sure it's nice to hear my call coming back to me from a pileup, but by working common 9Vs or 9M2/6s or even YBs, JTs, and VR2s it's good practice since they always draw nice pileups from North America. I don't need any of the above entities on 10-40, but I still call them when I see them spotted and I have time to play radio.
Sure it's a hobby and it's fun (for various definitions of fun), but it's also a skill that experienced DXers need to keep practicing. YMMV, naturally. It's also why I love the CQDX Marathon: it wipes the slate clean every January 1st and I get to work all the common and not-so-common ones again. Keeps the cobwebs from forming.
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"I didn't work that expedition for the practice but for needed band slots."
Good for you! That brownie point and $3 gets you a cup of coffee. Its still not your place to tell people what they can or can't do on the radio. Its awesome you worked all those countries with no skill! Blind luck got you so far!
Just to be clear, you believe there is no skill in finding the person the dx calls in a large pile up, figuring out the pattern of where he is going to call next, and being there with your cw signal? None? My 9 year old can do it?
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And the professional baseball player that hits a 90 MPH fastball needs to hone that skill daily or soon he won't be a professional baseball player any more.
Let me reiterate, none of us are the equivalent of major league athletes. To suggest we are is laughable.
If you need to constantly work pileups to be able to find out where the DX is listening you must have cognitive issues I don't have. I worked the 9X on three bands. The pileups were not that big. I was in and out of all three in under 15 minutes. I wouldn't come close to comparing that expedition to a top 50 most wanted so I don't know what skills you honed by working them on every band.
Pileups are just not as hard as some of you are making them out to be.
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CY0S was easy to work and we all should have expected it to be easy to work.
Because it was close, as semi-rare ones go, then except for 10m sometimes being too close, we are going to have a 5, 10, maybe 20 dB advantage (for once) on our brethren in Europe. Don't know what it is, but look it up on VOACAP or something. It was surely significant.
So, we get through with a lot less skill this time because when five stations figure out where the DX is going to be next, the winner is going to be among the louder of the five. This time around, that's likely to be one of us. So, of course it is going to take less time. . .and even a little less skill.
When the situation is reversed it means not only do we have to have the skill, we have to have a little luck in being perhaps the only station that guesses right or at any rate, none of the louder ones (as heard by the DX).
So, no, work CY0S and like stations if you enjoy it, that's what we're really here for. But it isn't much of a warmup for winning through even for something as innocuous as 1A0KM.
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CY0S was easy to work and we all should have expected it to be easy to work.
Depends on the band. To this day I've never worked or even heard Sable Island on 10 or 12m SSB. This operation I couldn't even hear them on 10 CW!
As for 1A0, which is located right smack dab in the middle of the bear's cage known as southern Europe, and actually inside the second-least-needed DXCC entity in the world, I'd take my chances piggying out on Sable I. from Europe than I would clearing the table of SMOM from New Jersey. I still have a ton of holes to fill in my 1A0 Bingo card.
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The skill isn't pushing a button, but knowing precisely when and where to send the callsign.
Hmmm... where have I heard that argument before?