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Title: EP6T, Iran
Post by: MM0NDX on October 17, 2014, 09:33:13 AM
***BREAKING DX NEWS***

Announcing the Rockall DX Group expedition to Iran, Kish Island IOTA AS-166.

A multinational team with members from Belgium, The Netherlands and Greece will conduct a DXpedition to the Islamic Republic of Iran in January 2015.

Nearly three years of negotiations and a reconnaissance trip by Patrick ON4HIL to Tehran finally resulted in obtaining a legal license to operate with a team of ten people for fourteens days.

It has been all but easy but with much perseverance and countless e-mails between Belgium and Iran we eventually got what we were looking for. The good thing is that we not only have a legit license but we are also in the stage of helping to revive amateur radio in the I.R. of Iran. In order to help establish legal ham radio exams we have a 150 page course, that has been written and edited by one of our local club members, translated into Persian language. This course will serve as a guide for both the people at the Iranian telecoms administration and for students who are willing to learn the basics to become a fully licensed radio amateurs. Hopefully many new hams will be on the air in the near future from Iran.

PLANS

10 operators will be operating 4 (possibly 5) stations around the clock for at least 10 days at the end of January 2015. Specific dates will be announced at a later stage but we are aiming for the last two weeks of that month. All HF bands will be covered from 10 through 160 meters in three modes: CW, SSB and RTTY. As with previous expeditions from the Rockall DX Group we will have stations overnight focusing on the low bands with separate receive antennas and quarter wave verticals near the beach. Since we are on an island our location will be not far from the sea, depending on propagation, good signals can be expected on all bands. We will have pilot stations to provide us with feedback from our audience.

The requested call sign is EP6T.

More information and a dedicated website will follow soon. Follow us on twitter or keep an eye on the DX bulletins. If you have any questions related to this expedition contact us via EP6T@rockall.be.
Hope to see all of you in the log.

FIRST FOR BREAKING DX NEWS – DX-WORLD.NET
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on October 17, 2014, 09:50:44 AM
Awesome!  They just keep coming.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on October 17, 2014, 10:17:22 AM
Good news!  :)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N6PSE on October 17, 2014, 10:19:00 AM
Congratulations Patrick ON4HIL and the Rockall Team.

Paul N6PSE
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on October 17, 2014, 10:41:59 AM
Hopefully QSLs won't cost $22-25 for this one (although I plan to donate at least that much, if not significantly more -- in advance).
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on October 17, 2014, 10:48:29 AM
Very cool!! Looking forward to it!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WA8UEG on October 17, 2014, 11:20:47 AM
I worked EP3SMH 1/16/2014 and it cost me $10.00 plus 1 IRC plus sending it via registered mail and no card as of yet so I'll be looking forward to getting it confirmed!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on October 17, 2014, 04:43:31 PM
Way to GO, guys!! 
I only have Iran on 10M CW, SO..... I need a BUNCH of bandfills, and really would like to work you on 80 as well. 

GL/73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KF7CSO on October 17, 2014, 06:41:04 PM
Great news.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on October 17, 2014, 06:46:11 PM
Not an ATNO here but I'll be hunting for bandfills.  I only have EP on 20m.  GL to the team and those needing EP.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on October 17, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
I only have 'em confirmed on 20 phone, but have them worked on 10, 15 and 20, all three modes; I just never felt comfortable sending that much money and and go through all the hassle, etc, for just a couple of Qs.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on October 17, 2014, 07:20:08 PM
Great news and thanks to all those who made it possible.
BTW It would be great if some of that equipment could be donated to a club, it might have a positive effect.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6DXO on October 17, 2014, 11:11:55 PM
Absolutely fantastic news !!!

73 de harry, W6DXO
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3HJ on October 18, 2014, 06:23:10 AM
Very welcome news! And not so far into the future either!

I only have 20 m confirmed, so it would be nice to have a chance at a few more bands. Please remember the Southern Hemisphere.

73 es GL,
Luke VK3HJ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on October 18, 2014, 06:53:45 AM
For those of us on the West Coast it would be hard to compete in the pile.  I hope the Op will take that into consideration.  EP is one of the toughest paths from the West Coast.  I think the late Jan. time doesn't favor the West Coast either.  Even in May or Oct. the openings are very short, something like less than one hour long.  Hopefully they could put out a big signal.  I don't have high expectations but a bandfill or two would be satisfying.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on October 18, 2014, 09:06:08 AM
For those of us on the West Coast...

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Aren't you in Colorado now?!

I'm looking forward to EP on any band. ATNO's are good!

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on October 18, 2014, 12:12:26 PM
Yes I'm in Colorado and not California.  My propagation is more aligned with the West Coast as opposed to the Midwest.  I don't know why.  At times I cannot hear a DX this is heard in KS or TX.

I believe 20m will still be the money band.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: ON7RU on October 29, 2014, 04:12:32 PM
Hey,

As a member of the Rockall DX group, often called the dream team  ;D, I confirm we will listen and have special attention for the hams in the midwest & westcoast. Also VK/ZL will have our attention. Like our operation in 9U4U we will have a dedicated station on the lowbands during your and our greyline. As mentioned in an earlier post, 20M will be the money band, we will make sure everybody can make at least one QSO.

You'll find the latest news here:
twitter : RockallDX
facebook : Rockall DX Group

Our website will be launched very soon, http://www.rockall.be

CU down the log
Frank, ON7RU - operator EP6T
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5INP on October 29, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
I confirm we will listen and have special attention for the hams in the midwest & westcoast. ...
 As mentioned in an earlier post, 20M will be the money band, we will make sure everybody can make at least one QSO.

Awe-some!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on October 29, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
Hey,

As a member of the Rockall DX group, often called the dream team  ;D, I confirm we will listen and have special attention for the hams in the midwest & westcoast. Also VK/ZL will have our attention. Like our operation in 9U4U we will have a dedicated station on the lowbands during your and our greyline. As mentioned in an earlier post, 20M will be the money band, we will make sure everybody can make at least one QSO.

You'll find the latest news here:
twitter : RockallDX
facebook : Rockall DX Group

Our website will be launched very soon, http://www.rockall.be

CU down the log
Frank, ON7RU - operator EP6T


Frank N5UD here. Maybe I can pull rabbit out of the hat as with 9U4U. Get the mobile QSO's from Texas including 80 meters.

EP will be tough from here for sure. Especially from the pickup truck.

73 Tony N5UD /M
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on October 29, 2014, 09:42:58 PM
Hey,

As a member of the Rockall DX group, often called the dream team  ;D, I confirm we will listen and have special attention for the hams in the midwest & westcoast. Also VK/ZL will have our attention. Like our operation in 9U4U we will have a dedicated station on the lowbands during your and our greyline. As mentioned in an earlier post, 20M will be the money band, we will make sure everybody can make at least one QSO.

You'll find the latest news here:
twitter : RockallDX
facebook : Rockall DX Group

Our website will be launched very soon, http://www.rockall.be

CU down the log
Frank, ON7RU - operator EP6T


I made a contribution to your 9U4U expedition and I can't get my numerous emails to ON6CC answered.  I received LoTW credits but no QSL card.  Have you guys mailed out the QSLs for the 9U4U operation yet?

If so, I'd appreciate any help you can offer so I may receive a QSL card.

73 and Thanks,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU4B on October 30, 2014, 02:22:54 AM
Hey,

As a member of the Rockall DX group, often called the dream team  ;D, I confirm we will listen and have special attention for the hams in the midwest & westcoast. Also VK/ZL will have our attention. Like our operation in 9U4U we will have a dedicated station on the lowbands during your and our greyline. As mentioned in an earlier post, 20M will be the money band, we will make sure everybody can make at least one QSO.

You'll find the latest news here:
twitter : RockallDX
facebook : Rockall DX Group

Our website will be launched very soon, http://www.rockall.be

CU down the log
Frank, ON7RU - operator EP6T


I made a contribution to your 9U4U expedition and I can't get my numerous emails to ON6CC answered.  I received LoTW credits but no QSL card.  Have you guys mailed out the QSLs for the 9U4U operation yet?

If so, I'd appreciate any help you can offer so I may receive a QSL card.

73 and Thanks,

Chris  NU1O

Chris,
 FYI, I received my 9U4U card a good while back. So there must be a mix up or it got lost.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: ON7RU on October 30, 2014, 04:21:27 AM
Chris, NU1O

Please check with our 9U4U QSL manager M0URX.
He's well know QSL'er and very keen on QSL'ing.

Hope it works out for you Chris, keep me in the loop if you don't receice an answer in a timely manner.


Frank, ON7RU
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on October 30, 2014, 05:56:09 AM
Yes I'm in Colorado and not California.  My propagation is more aligned with the West Coast as opposed to the Midwest.  I don't know why.  At times I cannot hear a DX this is heard in KS or TX.

I believe 20m will still be the money band.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

CO should really be in the 7th call district.  The propagation here is absolutely more like West Coast than Midwest or East Coast. 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on October 30, 2014, 06:21:09 AM
I need it for an ATNO, should be a bit easier than VK9X.

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on October 30, 2014, 07:23:06 AM
I confirm we will listen and have special attention for the hams in the midwest & westcoast. Also VK/ZL will have our attention. Like our operation in 9U4U we will have a dedicated station on the lowbands during your and our greyline. As mentioned in an earlier post, 20M will be the money band, we will make sure everybody can make at least one QSO.

Hi Frank,
A huge thank you in advance for your NA plans.

Given that there will be no time of day, on any band, when propagation between EP exists to North America that doesn't also exist with far higher signal levels into Europe, I wish you tremendous success in being able to get as many from NA into the log as possible. Thanks for doing this and please, above all, may you and your team all be safe.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on October 31, 2014, 11:40:30 AM
Chris, NU1O

Please check with our 9U4U QSL manager M0URX.
He's well know QSL'er and very keen on QSL'ing.

Hope it works out for you Chris, keep me in the loop if you don't receice an answer in a timely manner.


Frank, ON7RU

Hi Frank,

I sent Tim an email and I got a reply in less than a half hour.  He's going to send me a QSL.

As I told Tim in my email to him if I was going on an expedition I'd select him as QSL manager because I honestly believe he's the best in the world.

Thanks for your help, Frank!

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: ON7RU on November 01, 2014, 12:17:58 AM
To all,


The website for the EP6T DXpedition went live a few hours ago.
Meet the team, discover our plans...
http://www.rockall.be (http://www.rockall.be)

Thanks for the encouraging mails & support.

Frank, ON7RU
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on November 01, 2014, 05:26:07 AM
Thank you Frank for the website link and all of the work you have done to make this possible.  I'm especially thrilled to hear about the prospect of growing Amateur Radio in Iran.  GL to the team.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WO2C on November 01, 2014, 08:57:01 PM
For those of us on the West Coast it would be hard to compete in the pile.  I hope the Op will take that into consideration.  EP is one of the toughest paths from the West Coast.  I think the late Jan. time doesn't favor the West Coast either.  Even in May or Oct. the openings are very short, something like less than one hour long.  Hopefully they could put out a big signal.  I don't have high expectations but a bandfill or two would be satisfying.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

This will be very difficult for us, Jonathan--I'll be happy with a single contact on any band. Still, I think this is very exciting news.

73,
Ray, WO2C
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on November 06, 2014, 01:38:59 PM
Chris, NU1O

Please check with our 9U4U QSL manager M0URX.
He's well know QSL'er and very keen on QSL'ing.

Hope it works out for you Chris, keep me in the loop if you don't receice an answer in a timely manner.


Frank, ON7RU

Frank,

I sent Tim, M0URX, an email on 31 October and I received the 9U4U QSL today! 

I will send Tim an email thanking him for his extremely quick reply.


73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K6DY on November 08, 2014, 08:56:23 AM
Since I have one cw qso with EP I won't be in this mess. Everyone else good luck!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: ON7RU on November 09, 2014, 12:00:03 AM
Chris,

that's one of the reasons why the team choose to work with Tim again.
The perfect service and the great looking QSL cards of ON5UR is a great combination.

Have a nice weekend.

Frank, ON7RU/EP6T
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: ON7RU on December 19, 2014, 01:43:24 PM
https://www.facebook.com/290232851176580/photos/a.296309427235589.1073741829.290232851176580/310911292442069/?type=1

After extensively studying propagation we decided to buy a 5 element 28Mhz yagi to work USA more easily from EP/Iran. It's our goals to give the hams in W6/W7 area a fair chance to get in the log on 10M. Clublog doesn't show 1 QSO with EP in January on 10M. We will be happy to change that.
Sure it will help many JAs for a new bandpoint as well.

I take the opportunity to thank the guys who made a donation a made it possible to buy and transport the hardware to Iran.

73s and merry Xmas from the EP6T team.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on December 19, 2014, 02:35:03 PM
Is there much common daylight between EP and W6

10m could be tricky,
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on December 19, 2014, 07:40:05 PM
With a solar flux index of 200 and a k index of 2 there is a chance from 1530 to 1630z for Arizona.

Long path has a chance from 1500z to 2200z

Henry
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: MM0NDX on December 29, 2014, 06:47:35 AM
Latest news update: http://www.dx-world.net/ep6t-iran/

Col, MM0NDX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KY6R on December 29, 2014, 07:31:14 AM
Since I have EP on 20M CW and SSB - I will sit this one out and give others their chance for an ATNO. Funny how I don't care at all for band mode slots any more - besides maybe just one CW and one SSB Q.

Good luck to those who need it for an ATNO!

73,

Rich
KY6R
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on December 29, 2014, 08:37:40 PM
Thats the way to do it Rich, just like the old days, one Q on CW and one Q on Phone with an insurance contact (not needed now with online logs) and you are done.
I can't tell you how many 2 contact DXCC Entities I have.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K6DY on January 02, 2015, 09:31:04 PM
Thankfully I've worked Ep on 20 CW so I won't be in this mess!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: MM0NDX on January 13, 2015, 12:13:55 PM
Thursday morning, three years after our first contact in Iran, members of the Rockall Dx Group will be leaving Brussels at 12 o’clock local time. Flying to Teheran (via Moscow) where we have to change airport for the domestic flight to Kish Island AS-166. We have 30 fully packed suitcases filled with radio equipment and antennas. Radios will be carried as hand luggage which leaves about 6 kg of personal stuff for each operator.

We expect arrival on Kish island January 16th early morning. As soon as we have approval from the local police we can start building antennas. Priority will be lowband TX. 40m four-square and Hexbeams setting up the equipment in the shack is planned after sunset. EP6T will probably be going on air early morning of January 17th, but remember that we have not been sleeping for 36 hours at that time! Lowband RX antennas and 10m yagi will go up during the next day. We will be off air for a few hours to finish the station setup.

There will be two groups of 5 people operating in 4 hour shifts, around the clock. Again we want to ask people in Europe and Asia for your cooperation when we have propagation to North America, since this is the most difficult path on all bands. Listen to the operators instructions, and we will all be enjoying the pile ups.

There has been some deliberate QRM on 80 meters during the last months, the EP6T operators are aware of this, so turn your VFO away from the QRM and maybe you will find us calling a little bit below or above our announced frequency.

On Top Band we may be listening 1803 – 1810 for NA if EU/AS signals are causing too much trouble. Again, listen to the operators instructions.

We would like some signal reports from NA on 10 and 160m. Please send these reports via ep6t@rockall.be so we can adjust according to propagation openings. We will have daily updates from our pilots. If you want to know the best time to work us, use the link to K6TU on our website. When we have internet access you will find pictures, updates and the online log as well. Don’t forget the donate button which gives you a free QSL card for your QSO with EP.

Social media is covered by Bjorn, ON9CFG, twitter #EP6T and on Facebook.

We would like to say a big “THANK YOU” to Dr Fard, Mrs. Mortazavi and our assistants in Iran helping us getting EP6T on air, without them this expedition would not be possible.

The Rockall Dx Group
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 13, 2015, 01:18:50 PM
Very nice.  Looking forward to getting on the radio once again.  I took a break after 1AØC.

How many of you need EP for an ATNO?

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 13, 2015, 01:26:32 PM
Very nice.  Looking forward to getting on the radio once again.  I took a break after 1AØC.

How many of you need EP for an ATNO?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I need EP for an ATNO. I'll be happy with one QSO. If opportunity presents itself for more than one QSO I'll try but at this point one is good enough. I've worked most/all the countries surrounding Iran so I imagine with time I should be able to get through.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 13, 2015, 01:28:26 PM
I'm hoping to gorge myself on Navassa, but one QSO from EP will be plenty.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 13, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
I'm hoping to gorge myself on Navassa, but one QSO from EP will be plenty.

Yeah right.  I'm sure you will sweep EP on all bands like you did on 7O2A.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 13, 2015, 01:49:33 PM
I'm hoping to gorge myself on Navassa, but one QSO from EP will be plenty.

Yeah right.  I'm sure you will sweep EP on all bands like you did on 7O2A.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I hope you're right, but I had the "fog of Contest" to help me out on 7O2A.  I'll have to face the European masses without cover on this one.  How about you, can you eat just one?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 13, 2015, 01:57:43 PM
How about you, can you eat just one?

Of course not!  Please shoot me if I ever say I'll be happy with just one contact :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 13, 2015, 03:20:30 PM
I have three SSB contacts with EP on two bands and all of them were very difficult due to weak signals and a fairly modest EU and NA pileup.  I cannot imagine what it's going to be like with a full blown Dxpedition and the Zoo doors completely open :-[

Thankfully this is one of the few ones that I can relax and work them if I feel like.



73s
Rob
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 13, 2015, 04:24:27 PM
Very nice.  Looking forward to getting on the radio once again.  I took a break after 1AØC.

How many of you need EP for an ATNO?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

That would be me!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 13, 2015, 06:25:08 PM
I'll be getting a late start with this one, as it turns out. I have a non-radio commitment up in Boston between Friday morning and Monday night, but I'll be in the thick of it on Tuesday morning, however! I'm thinking probably 3 or 4 bands given current propagation. I'm after CW and RTTY big time and any bands other than 20, where my one and only EP confirmation is on SSB.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 14, 2015, 05:54:55 AM
Very nice.  Looking forward to getting on the radio once again.  I took a break after 1AØC.

How many of you need EP for an ATNO?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

That would be me!

Me too!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K5PS on January 14, 2015, 06:19:52 AM
Also looking for an ATNO.

I worked an EP2MKO station on 30m back in Jan 2001 but have never been able to get a confirmation despite multiple attempts.

Many thanks to these guys for putting it on.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3MEG on January 14, 2015, 06:23:21 AM
should be a good dxpedition I have on ep 10m ssb confirmed on LOTW but would love a few other bands and modes heres hoping.

also had break since christmas it has been nice now to get down to business.
cheers
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KF7CSO on January 14, 2015, 07:18:50 AM
New one for me also.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ6ZH on January 14, 2015, 08:53:06 AM
Would be an ATNO for me (#322) but don't hold out much hope to work them from Sacramento on a 20m dipole or the vertical. Been chasing T6T (another ATNO) for a year and never have heard him.
Still, will be listening on the short path.  No chance predicted for the long path.

Hope springs eternal in the heart of the DX'er!

Chris - KJ6ZH
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WW4N on January 14, 2015, 09:53:29 AM
It would be a new one for me if I can get it. Fingers, toes, and eyes are crossed.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 14, 2015, 10:39:11 AM
I got an ETNO with a PENCO so please pass the FNTO with BABCO.  Must have the correct SNDCO to qualify ETNO don't you know...HUH!
Let the Iranians boil in their own OILNO, WILCO
I will boycott the Iranian expedition...you guys don't give a S__T which pigs you lie down with.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 14, 2015, 05:40:29 PM
Would be an ATNO for me (#322) but don't hold out much hope to work them from Sacramento on a 20m dipole or the vertical. Been chasing T6T (another ATNO) for a year and never have heard him.
Still, will be listening on the short path.  No chance predicted for the long path.

Hope springs eternal in the heart of the DX'er!

Chris - KJ6ZH

I got T6T one evening 20M CW with little effort while everyone else was calling the VU4.
First or second call. I did not get VU4 this time around.

I did some checking VOA/K6TU W5/W6 to VU4 and EP with vertical antenna.
W5 slightly better than W6 on EP. Guess who have to call through ?
W6 was much better to VU4 than W5. I used San Diego kind of DM12 and my area EM22, same latitudes.

VOA does not seem to account for LP.

IMHO W5 and W6 are equally poor to many polar paths.
BTW W5 district across is same as Brussels to Moscow.

I need this one mobile, and hehehe on low bands.
Haha work EP mobile on low bands.
It might happen ?

73 Tony N5UD /m
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 14, 2015, 05:49:44 PM
Interestingly I moved W5 location to SW Texas EM00. VOACAP showed signals better there than my EM22.
Had a nice bright color bar for 12M ! Not for my locator on any band.

NIL 80M ? It can't be done, so says VOACAP.

GLTA N5UD
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 14, 2015, 06:07:18 PM
I got an ETNO with a PENCO so please pass the FNTO with BABCO.  Must have the correct SNDCO to qualify ETNO don't you know...HUH!
Let the Iranians boil in their own OILNO, WILCO
I will boycott the Iranian expedition...you guys don't give a S__T which pigs you lie down with.

Why do you get so worked up about this?  The vast majority of younger People in Iran are very interested in  becoming more westernized and closer to the USA, that's why the idiot Ahmadinejad was so unpopular. Even the supreme leader realized that the aging guard of the 1980s is losing control and needs to become more friendly towards the west.  The constant change is why ham radio should transcend politics and keep doors open.



Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WA4PXP on January 14, 2015, 06:09:50 PM
Have EP2BQ confirmed on 160.

Jim
WA4PXP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5MOA on January 14, 2015, 07:29:50 PM
EP3SMH, 15m RTTY confirmed January, 2014.

EP3HF, 15m/10m ssb worked Feb/March 2014, but didn't fork out the gs to confirm those. I was hoping a better route would come along, EP6T does that. Provided I manage a qso or so.

All 3 were between 13:30-14:00. None were /m. I heard EP /m, but didn't get through the pile ups.


Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 14, 2015, 08:34:09 PM
EP3SMH, 15m RTTY confirmed January, 2014.

EP3HF, 15m/10m ssb worked Feb/March 2014, but didn't fork out the gs to confirm those. I was hoping a better route would come along, EP6T does that. Provided I manage a qso or so.

All 3 were between 13:30-14:00. None were /m. I heard EP /m, but didn't get through the pile ups.




Tom I have never heard it mobile. Maybe that VOACAP is right. That is a slightly better path SW of me. 1400-1600Z seems to be peak time from here 17M - 10M. With 15 and 17 the best. 20M is good too but 2200-0400Z 30 and 40M are 2300-0300Z. No surprise to any of this.

I was looking at old logs and QSL's. I worked a lot of Indian Ocean and Central Asia Long Path, 40M and 20M 1300-1430Z this time of year.
W6's should do well on the LP if the EP6 ops work it.

GL Tony N5UD
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5PG on January 14, 2015, 11:04:27 PM
Also looking for an ATNO.

I worked an EP2MKO station on 30m back in Jan 2001 but have never been able to get a confirmation despite multiple attempts.

Many thanks to these guys for putting it on.

My one and only Q with Iran was with EP2MKO in May 1997 on 20m cw.

Of course I sent a card soon after to his manager - a Russian just over the border !

Looking in my old log, nothing happened so I sent another one in January 1998 with another $1 and finally received a card in December 1998 ;D  QSL mgr then was UA6HCW.

You might want to try again, at least send an email to see if logs are still available: http://qrz.com/db/ep2mko (http://qrz.com/db/ep2mko)

73, GL, Paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: YO6EX on January 15, 2015, 01:38:01 AM
Have on hand EP QSl's received via bureau:
EP2BB, EP2WB, EP2VJ, EP2MW, EP2SN, EP2DB, EP2OD, EP2EJ, EP2SV, EP2VW, EP2IK, EP2LA. (1961 - 1972)...
Special callsign: 9C9MJ, 9D5A, 9D5B.   (1972 - 1976)...

Hi...

Direct: 2$ EP3PTT  (2004)

73
YO6EX

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 15, 2015, 05:03:58 AM
Confirmed EP3SMH, 15m or 20m RTTY (don't remember which) from summer of 2013, so no pressure on this one. I'll try to work them as it suits me.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 15, 2015, 07:47:49 AM
to KD8MJR...You are right to a point.  They need to be more marginalized and perhaps this may compel them to increase their resistance against the Islamofacist dictatorship.  I could see if worldwide hams had some special political message for the Iranian operators (of course they would not be expected to respond) but hey...hams aren't supposed to be political...right?  By stroking the ego of the Iranian ministry of communications in permiting the DX event no message of any consequence is sent to the young, western aspiring Iranians as you say. In my opinion just the opposite occurs.  That's why I would boycott such an event; I have higher principles beyond silly awards and DX point gathering.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: MM0NDX on January 15, 2015, 08:26:41 AM
The EP6T team are now in Moscow waiting for their flight to Kish island, Iran
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 15, 2015, 08:30:45 AM
to KD8MJR...You are right to a point.  They need to be more marginalized and perhaps this may compel them to increase their resistance against the Islamofacist dictatorship.  I could see if worldwide hams had some special political message for the Iranian operators (of course they would not be expected to respond) but hey...hams aren't supposed to be political...right?  By stroking the ego of the Iranian ministry of communications in permiting the DX event no message of any consequence is sent to the young, western aspiring Iranians as you say. In my opinion just the opposite occurs.  That's why I would boycott such an event; I have higher principles beyond silly awards and DX point gathering.

Maybe we should also not work HZ, BY, 4X, XZ, and VU for allowing various human rights abuses to go unchecked. Hell, perhaps the guys in the middle east should boycott the US given the issues with various prisoners...
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 15, 2015, 10:05:58 AM
NN3W, I have my standards and you have yours.  No one is saying you can't legally speak to these countries.  My opinion is my opinion, freely shared in a nation where our constitution still proclaims those rights to us.  Most if not all hams in a number of countries are associated with the regimes in power.  In other words, the common, non connected guy cannot be a  ham. Therefore, many of the DX stations you've all come to love are direct affiliates to corrupt, facist regimes.  You want to make contact with them and leave any priciples at the door..you're free to do so. Good luck in the contest.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 15, 2015, 12:10:59 PM
You're forgetting that:

1) In many locations, the operators are all foreign operators operating under a temporary authority.  Hence, there is no "direct affiliates to corrupt, facist regimes."

2) The fact that a country limits access to the airwaves does not make it facist. 

I sleep quite well at night. 

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3NRX on January 15, 2015, 01:07:10 PM

Maybe we should also not work HZ, BY, 4X, XZ, and VU...

Why VU?..... ??? ???....at any rate, hope I'll be able to hear them thru the pending lidfest and zoo.....I wish my amp tubes would arrive!.... ::) ::) ::).....I'll be listening none the less.....If I can work Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, and Socotra Island, I should be able to nail this one.....even with endless stream of noisemakers.....at least I hope.....

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 15, 2015, 10:05:53 PM
We arrived in Teheran!!
We have good news! Everything is going as planned, we passed  customs in Tehran with ALL our equipment,
and are now waiting for our domestic flight to Kish Island! The help of Dr Fard was very much appreciated
again and we were very happy to be welcomed by so many people of the local amateur radio society in the
middle of the night. The 50 km trip between airports which was arranged by Mohammed (EP3MIR) and his
assistant Ali went perfectly. All official departments on Kish island have been notified about our radio
expedition. There should be no restrictions. In a few hours after arrival on the island we will start building the
antennas, and setting up the stations. Expecting to be on air by midnight January 16th.
The ROCKALL DX GROUP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: BA4TB on January 15, 2015, 10:28:33 PM
to KD8MJR...You are right to a point.  They need to be more marginalized and perhaps this may compel them to increase their resistance against the Islamofacist dictatorship.  I could see if worldwide hams had some special political message for the Iranian operators (of course they would not be expected to respond) but hey...hams aren't supposed to be political...right?  By stroking the ego of the Iranian ministry of communications in permiting the DX event no message of any consequence is sent to the young, western aspiring Iranians as you say. In my opinion just the opposite occurs.  That's why I would boycott such an event; I have higher principles beyond silly awards and DX point gathering.

Maybe we should also not work HZ, BY, 4X, XZ, and VU for allowing various human rights abuses to go unchecked. Hell, perhaps the guys in the middle east should boycott the US given the issues with various prisoners...

You want me to tell all BY hams not to work US hams? ::)




73,
Dale BA4TB
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3NRX on January 16, 2015, 04:51:41 AM
OK...here's the deal.....Unless it's a situation like with World War II where all ham radio operations were suspended for the duration, I will work any operator in any country that is willing (and able) to work/hear my puney signal.....In the 80s I worked the USSR on numerous occasions...without any back lash...there was a mystique about it....and I am going to admit, I am as conservative politically and socially as they come....but I still worked many a country in the eastern bloc....Like I said, unless its a situation like WWII, where we're told "don't do that until the heat is off," I will work anyone anywhere.....If you should boycott this operation to Kish Island, that's your own personal business, which you are entitled to....Know the facts though....the operators are not of Iranian background and politics...they are from Belgium and other places.....are they feeding & fueling the beast by doing this???....that's for you to decide....my personal feeling is they are taking an huge security risk in going to and dealing with a place like Iran....but, if they are willing to do so, I wish them good luck and a safe uneventful journey and return.....and why shouldn't we discuss politics and the events of the day on the air???......why do we fear this???.....that to me boils down to fear of offending....due to political correctness......guess what.....you do not have a right to not be offended.......would I get in the face of another op in another country and tell them their government and way of life sucks???....NO.....but that's not to say we can't discuss things going on in the world over the air.....we still have freedom of speech in this country.....much to the dismay of many, I am sure.....the big picture is, it's all in the eye of the beholder......you have a problem with this operation, don't work it......you don't, then go for it......that's the bottom line......Good luck to those who choose to do so....Especially Me!.....cauz I'm gonna need it!..... ;D ::) :o.....

V
K3NRX

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 16, 2015, 08:40:51 AM
Either they or the pirates are now QRV, for about the last half hour.  Stations in the middle east say "LOUD" so I guess it might be them.  GL!

https://dxheat.com/db/EP6T/ (https://dxheat.com/db/EP6T/)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 16, 2015, 09:03:14 AM
Jammers already at work on 15M >:(.  I would not be surprised if some good DF might reveal a NA source or two.

Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 16, 2015, 09:09:05 AM
Either they or the pirates are now QRV, for about the last half hour.  Stations in the middle east say "LOUD" so I guess it might be them.  GL!

https://dxheat.com/db/EP6T/ (https://dxheat.com/db/EP6T/)

I can hear an EP6T Op on 20 meters.  He's on 14.195 at about S7.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 16, 2015, 09:20:25 AM
Jammers already at work on 15M >:(.  I would not be surprised if some good DF might reveal a NA source or two.

Gene AF3Y

Can you actually copy the EP on 15?  It's ESP copy for me, at best.  Zero chance against Europe.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 16, 2015, 09:22:05 AM
Hey, while there, ask Dr. Fard for a tour of their centerfuge farm. I'm sure it would be quite edifying.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 16, 2015, 09:41:09 AM
Jammers already at work on 15M >:(.  I would not be surprised if some good DF might reveal a NA source or two.

Gene AF3Y

Can you actually copy the EP on 15?  It's ESP copy for me, at best.  Zero chance against Europe.

Same here in Fla. Not really workable. Nothing heard at all for the past 15 min. Now the tuners are back.
Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 16, 2015, 11:47:56 AM
Jammers already at work on 15M >:(.  I would not be surprised if some good DF might reveal a NA source or two.

Gene AF3Y

It's a Friday night in Europe, and I am sure much alcohol has been consumed already...

Probably the worse time to kick off a DXpedition but hopefully things will quiet down some next week.  You know, EU will QRX for NA and OC when asked (yeah, right)...
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 16, 2015, 11:51:25 AM
Jammers already at work on 15M >:(.  I would not be surprised if some good DF might reveal a NA source or two.

Gene AF3Y

It's a Friday night in Europe, and I am sure much alcohol has been consumed already...

Probably the worse time to kick off a DXpedition but hopefully things will quiet down some next week.  You know, EU will QRX for NA and OC when asked (yeah, right)...


I'm going to Death Valley for the long weekend.  I don't plan to think about the radio at all much.  I wouldn't have much of a prayer for the moment.  A man's got to know his limitations!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K1EBU on January 16, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
They're on now @ 04:25Z. Saw spots from EU
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 16, 2015, 10:56:01 PM
I heard them start back up on 40CW.  Peaking perhaps 559 while listening on a 2el yagi @ 70ft in Florida.  The op seemed to be struggling a bit even with the UY callers which are right next door.  I only heard one NA make it through before they faded into daylight.

Hearing them now on 20CW at 07Z but not loud - with a 4KC wide EU pileup. 


Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 17, 2015, 07:44:20 AM
Anyone? Got up at 5:30 this morning... nothing. What was the Dxped a few years back where they were there a couple days, and left due to Weather? Was it Clipperton..don't remember? Just checked weather-Temp 70F, Partly Cloudy, Winds 10 mph. Anyone any idea? Just curious? :)

73'
Tom N3ZC
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 17, 2015, 08:16:08 AM
I also was up bright and early to hopefully work them on 10 meters but NADA.  I worked a station from Oman on 20 LP and he said he worked them on 12 RTTY.

We're (Northeast USA) going to have a very short opening on 10/12 - if we get an opening, and today was a waste with respect to those bands.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W1VT on January 17, 2015, 08:19:54 AM
They brought 30 suitcases and intend to operate the low bands.

My guess is they got on with simple antennas yesterday and are busy setting things up today.

Zack W1VT
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 17, 2015, 08:22:09 AM
Not heard a whisper yet in North Carolina.

Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: ZS6DX on January 17, 2015, 08:23:58 AM
Could hear them quite well on 10, 15 and 20 CW but they were only working Europe so beaming from the side did not help.

On 10m the signal was really strong, BUT the operator only worked one station even few minutes often disappearing for a while. And when he did work a station he often got the call wrong  :'(

On CW the pileup was spread wide, at least 6kHz most of the time.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 17, 2015, 10:43:37 AM
My previous contacts with Iran were all very hard, maybe 43 at best  I assumed it was because the local stations did not have good enough gear, now I am wondering if Iran is like Thailand and Vietnam.  A black hole area for radio transmissions to this part of the world!  After all EP6T have 1kw and fairly good antenna's yet I hear nothing.  It most likely just because the band conditions are bad but then again when the bands were good the best I ever got was a 43 signal from Iran.


73s
Rob
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 17, 2015, 12:08:28 PM
Very good copy at 1800Z in NY state on the yagi....on 7013
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AJ7G on January 17, 2015, 01:49:07 PM
At ~2000z on 30 RTTY, nice copy but not enough lead in the rear end to plow thru the pile up.

Randy AJ7G
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 17, 2015, 02:14:39 PM
I tried for a bit on 30 rtty today but the pileups are still pretty fierce. Off to dinner with the family...
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 17, 2015, 02:30:33 PM
Very good copy at 1800Z in NY state on the yagi....on 7013
I meant 2000Z on 7013.. I only heard them working EU, then when JA hit their grey line hour, I think EP6T turned their antennas to JA and started working JA/UA0.  They got louder for me on a JA heading than the short path at that time.  I did not hear them work one NA station by 2200Z today, listened for about 90 minutes, fruitless calling.  They are also loud at 2200Z on 80M on 3503, but working very slowly some EU.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 17, 2015, 04:46:35 PM
Got them on 30 CW. Tuner upper/jammer on 40, however.  >:(
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 17, 2015, 05:31:11 PM
30,40, 80,,,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ::)  Maybe tomorrow, next week..Really waiting for Navassa ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5VYS on January 17, 2015, 06:20:45 PM
Faint copy in South Texas both bands.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 17, 2015, 06:30:18 PM
Steadily faded out on 30m.. I tried for a little over an hour after I got back home. Perhaps better luck tomorrow..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 17, 2015, 06:49:20 PM
I was lucky and snagged them on 30m RTTY through the EU "wall" by constantly moving from hole to hole and finally getting lucky.  They had a really solid signal on the east coast at 21Z.  They were weaker on 40m but only working EU.  Fortunately I have 40 and 20m confirmed, so I don't need to worry about fighting the pileups on these two bands.

Right now at 0245Z they are reasonably solid into FL on 80m, but working only EU (and just went QRX).  They are barely copyable on 160m.

The latest log update shows 4,000 QSOs and only 17 with NA.  Wow.  I guess they are damned either way - I'm sure that as soon as they start asking for NA the jamming will get out of control.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 17, 2015, 06:53:23 PM
I hope things improve, despite having great signals on 30, 40 and 80m several hours of cw and rtty calling have been fruitless for me.

I am going to do something more productive with my time for the rest of the evening.


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 17, 2015, 06:57:50 PM
http://www.clublog.org/charts/?c=EP6T#r (http://www.clublog.org/charts/?c=EP6T#r)

As N2NL referred to, 3586 QSOs with Europe, 17 with North America.  I'm getting nervous.  I'll be hand wringing before long.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 17, 2015, 07:03:56 PM
Maybe it will be better during the week.

Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3MEG on January 17, 2015, 07:44:06 PM
yep I feel they should be running one 20m cw freq for the little fish 24/7 as if they will lol they care nothing for us only for their euro mates
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 17, 2015, 07:49:00 PM
They are on 30m now for NA only - good signal.  Asking up 2 but working guys up 5.  They seem to be struggling with getting the EUs to stop calling.  I am hearing some W6's making it into the log.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 17, 2015, 08:09:18 PM
Yeah, they're loud on 30 but only working EU as far as I can tell.  Haven't heard any US guys getting through.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 17, 2015, 08:48:21 PM
I finally got through on 40 ssb when he was asking for NA.


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3HJ on January 17, 2015, 09:59:05 PM
Three (3) stations from VK have made it into the log so far.
I haven't even bothered trying yet. Later in the week, maybe I can get interested.
73 es GL,
Luke VK3HJ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3HJ on January 17, 2015, 10:16:51 PM
Just made it through on 12 m phone. Nice sig on short path here.

Op took a break from working JA, and is now working a run of VK.

73 es GL,
Luke VK3HJ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 18, 2015, 12:17:47 AM
Just in from night shift,

17m not very loud and lots of QRM

15m JA only

12m JA only

Time for bed I'm sure I'll get them during the week,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WX2S on January 18, 2015, 04:05:47 AM
They are on 30m now for NA only - good signal.  Asking up 2 but working guys up 5.  They seem to be struggling with getting the EUs to stop calling.  I am hearing some W6's making it into the log.
Heard 'em there and thought I had a good chance until the XYL called dinner. First-rate op, a far cry from Tromelin.

WX2S.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3QE on January 18, 2015, 05:36:52 AM
http://www.clublog.org/charts/?c=EP6T#r (http://www.clublog.org/charts/?c=EP6T#r)

As N2NL referred to, 3586 QSOs with Europe, 17 with North America.  I'm getting nervous.  I'll be hand wringing before long.

One of the locals got them on 40M CW, and I know I can turn out a signal to that part of the world maybe just 6dB below his, so I'm pretty sure I'll get them on at least one band CW eventually.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 18, 2015, 05:44:52 AM
http://www.clublog.org/charts/?c=EP6T#r (http://www.clublog.org/charts/?c=EP6T#r)

As N2NL referred to, 3586 QSOs with Europe, 17 with North America.  I'm getting nervous.  I'll be hand wringing before long.

One of the locals got them on 40M CW, and I know I can turn out a signal to that part of the world maybe just 6dB below his, so I'm pretty sure I'll get them on at least one band CW eventually.


As of the last upload about 290 QSOs with NA so far compared to about 6700 with EU. They were calling out for NA a bit this morning on the higher bands but the copy here on the dipole was very light. I've worked everything surrounding Iran a few times and heard them quite well last night so hopefully its just a matter of time.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3HJ on January 18, 2015, 05:50:19 AM
My 3 QSO from this afternoon already appear on ClubLog.

Good signal on a number of bands so far. Looks like I'll enjoy a few more contacts through the week!

73 es GL,
Luke VK3HJ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2015, 07:10:12 AM
EP6T is currently S9+ on 20m SSB on LP.  They are calling NA only and going by the numbers.  I don't need EP on 20m so I'll leave the bandwidth to the deserving.  GL to all.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 18, 2015, 07:21:23 AM
Yes good LP sigs to NA this AM local. I scored 20m and 17m ssb so things are looking up.

73 Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 18, 2015, 08:04:12 AM
Pretty light here now SP or LP.

My 30m QSO from last night showed up, so I'm good but I'll probably try for a few more once things die down.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 18, 2015, 08:15:35 AM
Pretty light here now SP or LP.

My 30m QSO from last night showed up, so I'm good but I'll probably try for a few more once things die down.

What time did you work them on 30?

NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 18, 2015, 08:19:57 AM
Pretty light here now SP or LP.

My 30m QSO from last night showed up, so I'm good but I'll probably try for a few more once things die down.

What time did you work them on 30?

NU1O

0044z
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 18, 2015, 08:54:24 AM
For you way out west types, I managed a couple of QSO this AM on 20 and 17m on long path.  Good signal on both bands.  He was on 30m (also LP) but I couldn't bust the EU pile and he didn't listen for NA specifically, at least that I heard.  He was also about an hour late for the best prop to NA on 30.  I worked 4K6FO and UT5XS on LP earlier and heard A45WH very well, but the A4 went QRT before I could snag him.  If EP6T could show on 30m around 1400Z it would be very good for the western USA and Canada.  Interestingly, I could hear the EU pileup on 30m LP very well, much of which was still in daylight at the time.  

My Qs on 20 and 17 were at 1600 and 1627 respectively.  I had to work him twice on 17 as he busted my call as K0RI the first time around.  It's nearly 1700Z now and he's still audible on 20, but not quite so loud as earlier.  He did stand by for NA only quite a bit on 20m.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 18, 2015, 09:08:27 AM
Any W3 stations have any luck, of so where/when?

Thanks
73'
Tom N3ZC
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 18, 2015, 09:19:09 AM
Any W3 stations have any luck, of so where/when?

Thanks
73'
Tom N3ZC

I heard some making it through at EP6T local sunrise, on 30 and 40m.  They were also loud on 80 but only a couple lucky W's were heard through the EU pileup.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 18, 2015, 09:25:58 AM
N2NL is correct, I heard a number of threes getting thru last nite on 30m.  I could hear EP6T here, but couldn't bust the east coast wall, to say nothing of EU.  No trace on 80 or 40m here.  Very lite on 40m LP this morning in CO, but I don't have a beam on 40.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 18, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
Wow I am glad I don't need this one and thankfully for those who need it, there are alternatives.

76.5% of contacts are EU  :o
The Unique station list is dropping from 83.9% to 32.4%.  Will that get better with Leader board active, I think not!

Looking at the leader board I think the only thing that might give us some relief is when EU stations run out of leader board fills, many are already closing in on that target as can be seen in the list and also by the unique's percentage dropping so fast. 

I don't blame the team, I think it's just that the propagation is so bad that it's either work the EU or spend several minutes trying to pull each NA station out of the mud.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2015, 12:03:07 PM

I don't blame the team, I think it's just that the propagation is so bad that it's either work the EU or spend several minutes trying to pull each NA station out of the mud.


Not entirely true IMHO.  They were very loud on 30 last night, but when I was hearing them they were working EU after EU station.  After they started to fade out, they called for NA only.  EU wouldn't stand by apparently, and after about 3 minutes the EP said he was going QRT due to QRM.  I think a lot of NA stations could have made it in if they had been asking for NA only more of that time.  Hopefully things will improve as we go along.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 18, 2015, 12:11:06 PM
That's OK..Wait till Navassa 8).  ::) Any W3 stations get thru? I was away from this for a year (Brain cancer/ in hospital/SteppIR EHU shaft broken, just repaired, and now I*'m beginning to remember how it was ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 18, 2015, 12:15:01 PM
DX-world reports via Facebook that they have a high level of interference from a nearby neon sign. Hopefully they can get the bugs worked out on that.

If you are not connected to DX-world via Facebook, or look at the webpage, you might miss out on information that might explain why certain things are happening.

www.facebook.com/DXWORLD.NET?fref=nf (http://www.facebook.com/DXWORLD.NET?fref=nf)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 18, 2015, 01:28:19 PM
Check the Leaderbord/Stats..QSOs=NA 780, EU-8718   ???
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 18, 2015, 01:32:23 PM
Bring on Navassa!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 18, 2015, 01:40:15 PM
Conditions were very rough on the bands this morning.  Even with the big hardware, they were a whisper on 10M CW.  They were loud on 12M SSB for a while, fair on 17 SSB for a while, fair of 20M SSB for a while, but by 1500Z  to 1530Z were fading out and I gave up.  I'm holding out for an early on the air session in 2 days, hoping that a weekday will be easier overall.  Rates were slow and they did nto seem to hear well.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 18, 2015, 01:44:55 PM
What's the best time to look for them? I've had my rig & amp (takes 3-4 min to get ready (amp) running all day..looking for them? ???
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 18, 2015, 01:52:11 PM
Check the Leaderbord/Stats..QSOs=NA 780, EU-8718   ???

I think that's mostly a factor of conditions so far.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 18, 2015, 01:56:07 PM
Quote
I think it's just that the propagation is so bad that it's either work the EU or spend several minutes trying to pull each NA station out of the mud.

They were loud on 30m for at least 5 hours yesterday. 40m and 80 signals were loud too but there is no way to work through the EU wall and what is listening for NA on one frequency on 40m ssb all about?

Mark N1UK


Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5MOA on January 18, 2015, 02:17:37 PM
56 here on 17m this morning, maybe a 54 on 20m.

53 on 12m, zip on 10m.

All LP, I didn't hear anything SP.

30m/40m cw peaked at a 519 last night, 80m ESP.  30m/40m RTTY, just an occasional print.




Heard 'em there and thought I had a good chance until the XYL called dinner. First-rate op, a far cry from Tromelin.


I can't compare the ops yet, I haven't heard them enough to comment. The signals from Tromelin were much better, at least here.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2015, 03:38:21 PM
They were building on 40 CW, getting to be probably workable, and then... switched to RTTY.

I think they're trolling now.   ;)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K2DFC on January 18, 2015, 04:05:30 PM
Check the Leaderbord/Stats..QSOs=NA 780, EU-8718   ???
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How do you get to the Leaderboard? I went all over their web site and can't find it.
Fred
K2DFC
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 18, 2015, 04:19:13 PM
Poke around here

https://secure.clublog.org/charts/?c=EP6T#r


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 18, 2015, 04:20:59 PM
Continent By Band

Band    160   80   40   30   20   17   15   12   10   Total   Total %
AF      0   0   3   2   31   17   18   12   12   95   0.8%
AN   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
AS   41   65   313   122   166   147   397   181   81   1513   13.3%
EU   168   425   1111   1096   1741   1039   1419   773   946   8718   76.5%
NA   0   17   129   130   137   163   127   49   28   780   6.8%
OC   0   0   8   2   43   36   56   29   6   180   1.6%
SA   0   0   3   3   27   13   22   3   46   117   1.0%
Totals   209   507   1567   1355   2145   1415   2039   1047   1119   11403

https://secure.clublog.org/charts/?c=EP6T#r


   
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2015, 04:22:02 PM
What's amazing to me is that there are 5 or so stations that have worked them on every possible band/mode slot but one.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9XX on January 18, 2015, 04:22:28 PM
I will take a refund.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 18, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
They were building on 40 CW, getting to be probably workable, and then... switched to RTTY.

I think they're trolling now.   ;)

In their defense, I think some of their operators are better digital ops than CW/SSB.  So, it is better that they are QRV at all (on RTTY) than not.  From what I could tell, they have been working RTTY QSOs at the same speed or faster than some others on CW/SSB.

The 40SSB op last night tried going split for a while, but for whatever reason went back to a single QSX.  Really poor behavior out of the NA calling.  EP6T asks for W9? and K2NNY calls repeatedly until the op gets W9NNY... corrects to K2NNY... and asks QRZ.  The poor W9 got screwed out of a QSO while K2NNY got a QSO for behaving badly.  Similar story... EP6T asks for K4 and works a WZ8.  I suppose when things seem hopeless (as it currently seems to be trying to work them from NA), it drives guys to just keep calling no matter what, as sort of a mindless task hoping that *just maybe* I'll get his attention through the UYs and UAs and IKs and SVs.

K1N will be a chip shot for those of us in NA, but I bet the K1N ops will spend considerable time asking for EU and JA.  I don't think EP6T has this liberty due to the jamming occurs if they tried it (like 30m last night when EU wouldn't stop calling).
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
K1N will be a chip shot for those of us in NA, but I bet the K1N ops will spend considerable time asking for EU and JA.

Agreed.  I very much doubt K1N will ever get to 75% NA, and I would think it was an embarrassment if they did.  It's really a shame how things are turning out so far, between the lack of love from the DXpedition, and the lids that jam them when they are audible.  I still hope to eke out one QSO, any mode, any band.  We shall see.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 18, 2015, 04:48:10 PM
You don't think it's an embarrassment now 70+% EU/JA? It would serve them right if they couldn't get thru.

But hey, how many of these dxpeds, towards the end, were there practically no one left, and they were calling CQ. CQ?....very few takers?  Like I said, bring on Navassa! This has become Lidsville ::)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 18, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
Refund please
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3MEG on January 18, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
around  midnight
9(13:00utc) here they were 5/9+ but the pile up was 5/9+10+20 on 20m ssb and they were calling NA and sa but eu didnt stop. same for vk pretty grim. soem guys have worked them which is great but most run 400w+ . i'll try later and see whats happening
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 18, 2015, 05:53:17 PM
All 80M and 40M RTTY.  ???
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5PG on January 18, 2015, 06:40:07 PM
K1N will be a chip shot for those of us in NA, but I bet the K1N ops will spend considerable time asking for EU and JA.

Agreed. I very much doubt K1N will ever get to 75% NA

Except in contributions ::)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WX2S on January 18, 2015, 06:57:02 PM
No joy today. Must... Not...  Gripe...

WX2S.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2015, 07:34:57 PM
Well, I think I just worked them on 40 CW.  Some knucklehead was key-down at S9+, twiddling his knobs, and in the confusion I think I managed to slip in.  Hope to see some good news in the next log update...
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2015, 07:41:31 PM
Congrats Mike on the ATNO.  You are an excellent CW Op and I have little doubt you're in the log.

Decent copy in the clear on 40m.  I listened to the roaring East Coast pileup and decided the ROI was too low for me to bother calling.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2015, 07:51:10 PM
Thanks, Jonathan.  If I am in there, I meant what I said about being happy with just one.

Not that I won't keep trying.   ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 18, 2015, 07:54:57 PM
Op on 30m cw lacks prop skills, working asia and EU during our short opening, putting in for a refund on this one. ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 18, 2015, 07:56:04 PM
Not that I won't keep trying.   ;D

Indeed you are just another greedy DX'er :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 18, 2015, 08:10:14 PM
Just checked spots list... no W3s except W3LPL ::)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 18, 2015, 08:19:43 PM
Op on 30m cw lacks prop skills, working asia and EU during our short opening, putting in for a refund on this one. ;D
He's working a few NAs at least.  I sent a message to the NA pilot earlier this evening asking them to keep an eye on this 30 meter opening, and he responded assuring me that he was going to ask them to try to exploit it.  He was polite but sounded harried.  I am guessing he's getting an earful.

BTW, I heard you in there calling.

Indeed you are just another greedy DX'er :D
nom nom nom

My 90s DXing skills are no match for today's pileup.  I'm used to tuning around to find the guy sending 599.  Now that so many stations just keep calling, it's really hard in a big pileup.  I'm planning to mod my TS-480 to tap the IF.  Next stop, panadapter and CW skimmer, I guess.  Arms race!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 18, 2015, 08:31:46 PM
Just checked spots list... no W3s except W3LPL ::)

I saw K3LP in there.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 18, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
Was listening, not working NA at all. No excuse for this crap! ??? :'(
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 18, 2015, 09:03:40 PM
They were calling for NA for a while on 40m cw but I could not get through yet.. tried a few hours there, and 30m they are still in there... trying there.. but they are working a mix of eu and na on 30. I'm guessing it is going to take a few days to get through but I'll keep trying.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 18, 2015, 10:00:06 PM
EP6T showed back up right at their local sunrise after a couple hours off the air.  We had "spotlight" conditions on Topband in Florida - they were 579 when they got back on but unfortunately faded relatively quickly.  Too bad they weren't on earlier.  A couple W4's made it into the log on 160, however, and it seemed like there were either few EU calling or the op was ignoring them.  They would have been easily workable on 80 (with this favorable cdx) had they been on the band but they weren't.  I was not one of the lucky ones on TB.

30m was mostly EU but I heard some East Coast NA make it into the log.  It seems like the thing to do is go high, away from the dense part of the pileup, and try to call in a hole.  The ops seem to be tuning around trying to pick off NA callers (that's how I imagined things anyway).  That's how I worked them yesterday.

40m was loud on CW at their local SR but quickly went QRX then switched to RTTY - I didn't listen.

I really do not understand why they have the leaderboard operating.  They really need to take that down.  It serves no purpose whatsoever, except to deny someone a QSO with the greenie-hunters calling on every single band-mode.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 18, 2015, 10:06:38 PM
Here in NE Texas they had a good signal on 30M 0315 - 0415Z. Real 579 on my mobile. Signal dropped like rock by 0430Z. I only heard USA big guns getting through. Like pointed out previously. They should have been calling for NA only.

The 40M signal was like 559 with me. Horrible QRM.

I sure hope that high noise QRN at their site does not include all bands !

So far... a worse operation for NA than FT4.

I sent an email to Floyd.

GL 73 N5UD
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 03:24:36 AM
6AM (1100 UTC) NOTHING ANYWHERE  Nothing consistant. Seems only worried about EU/JA..  RTTY..waste of time.Geesh!!

Leaderboard:
EU= 74%
AS= 15.2%
NA=6.4%
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 03:39:29 AM
Was just looking at the spots..ALL EU (1137 UTC) ! Back to bed ::)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2015, 05:24:01 AM
Was just looking at the spots..ALL EU (1137 UTC) ! Back to bed ::)

You have to love some of the EU folks that are complaining then they call for NA (despite NA having only 6.4%). I seriously think some of them would be happy if everyone else got zero QSO's and 100% went only to EU. You look up the complainers call in clublog and they already have plenty of contacts with EP6T.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0IZ on January 19, 2015, 05:28:15 AM
Data I saw shows that NA provides the vast majority of funding for DXpeditions.  EU benefits.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2015, 05:38:16 AM
Thanks, Jonathan.  If I am in there, I meant what I said about being happy with just one.

Not that I won't keep trying.   ;D

Congrats! I saw your QSO in there this morning. With this one, I'll be happy with just one... still working at it.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3QE on January 19, 2015, 05:43:58 AM
Last night, they were working NA-only in the hour before and hour after their sunrise on 40M. I didn't work them but many NA calls I know well, did work them.

This AM spent a little time chasing them on 15M RTTY (only working EU) and heard them just fine on 12M CW for a while while they were working NA until they were QRM'ed into oblivion.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 06:13:36 AM
I woke up this morning and hopped on the EP6T 10 meter SSB frequency.  The first thing I heard was several stations with various European accents complaining about how this DXpedition only ever worked NA (!).  I decided to check out 12 meter CW, and tried for about 20 minutes.  There was always a lot of QRM, but it was interesting how it was so much more intense during the "NA only" periods.  I know it's far from being all EU ops who are doing this, but there is some strange mental disconnect going on when you begrudge a continent 6.4% of all QSOs.

As for me, I have my one CW QSO.  I think I am going to lie low till later in the week, and try for a SSB contact later.  I don't think I'm even going to try again for several days.  Good luck to all who still need one.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 19, 2015, 06:15:29 AM
Big signal 58 on 17M and 20M SSB and 53 on 10M all at 13:00Z
Unfortunately EU only till 13:40Z and the signal by then had faded down a lot on all three bands.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 19, 2015, 06:17:14 AM
A nice, but very short opening on 10 meters as VOACAP predicted, and a decent signal on 12, but for the life of me I don't understand as the higher bands dropped out they completely skipped 15 meters.

15 should be the best band in the morning for large parts of the USA but there is zero activity today.

I'm so happy RN3QN, UY7QN, UT7UQ, and SV9CVY have managed 18 QSOs in two days.  I'm going to remember that when K1N is QRV.

Shut that FU$$ING leader board off!!!!

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 19, 2015, 06:35:01 AM
Data I saw shows that NA provides the vast majority of funding for DXpeditions.  EU benefits.

The USA rebuilt their countries after WWll and defended them from the Russian Bear for 50 years.  They've grown accustomed to us picking up the tab for them.  Why should DXpeditions be any different?

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 19, 2015, 06:44:16 AM
Nice signal on 17m SSB but the rate of 1 Qso per 2-3 minutes does not help. And this is the prime time for midwest US. The operator is overwhelmed and can't handle huge pileups efficiently. No copy on 20m SSB at the moment. Wow, I wasn't thinking it would be this tough. I was hoping for at least one Qso but if things continue like this...

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4KZ on January 19, 2015, 06:44:55 AM
Working Iran is normally tough for working guys. The propagation on the USA-Iran path for the upper HF bands is usually at its best during the morning and early afternoon here in the Eastern time zone. That makes it hard for working types in the eastern half of the USA to be on the air. Combine the fact there have been few active hams in Iran for years adds to the frustration. So when a group of European hams announced a major DXpedition to Iran, I was pleased. But as luck would have it. By total coincidence, they chose to be on the air during my worst week of the whole year -- the week my employer has several major conventions going on. No way, no how can any of us be absent this week. Any other week of the year and I could have taken the week off to stay home to work the DXpedition.

Yes, I have been calling and calling when I hear the group. Decent beam antenna and 500 watts -- no joy yet!

73, N4KZ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 19, 2015, 06:49:13 AM
Data I saw shows that NA provides the vast majority of funding for DXpeditions.  EU benefits.

This and the bitchfest from EU on the DX Cluster ("why only NA?" etc) has convinced me it might be better to become a post-DXpedition donor rather than the pre-(and sometimes post- as well) donor that I have been in the past. Donations would be based not necessarily on whether or not I work them but on the degree of symmetry of effort by the DXpedition.

John AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com/blog
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 07:08:45 AM
They were just on 17M (1400-1500) What a zoo.! Went QRT around 1500. Actually had a good signal!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 19, 2015, 07:11:26 AM
The EP6T team was upfront about their concern of working NA, and Col has always been fair IMO.  But this far into the DXPed, if I was on that team I'd want that Leaderboard off and those statistics disabled.  Yikes.

Maybe this is part of the plan to get the EU fat, happy, and quieted down? 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 19, 2015, 07:12:34 AM
 You A-Holes choose to ignore this in you stupid pursuit of another QSL point.

Keyboard bravery - ie, courage from afar!  :D

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 19, 2015, 07:13:45 AM
Data I saw shows that NA provides the vast majority of funding for DXpeditions.  EU benefits.

This and the bitchfest from EU on the DX Cluster ("why only NA?" etc) has convinced me it might be better to become a post-DXpedition donor rather than the pre-(and sometimes post- as well) donor that I have been in the past. Donations would be based not necessarily on whether or not I work them but on the degree of symmetry of effort by the DXpedition.

John AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com/blog


I donated months ago.  I think it was when the expedition was first announced.  John, I think there's a lot of merit in what you just opined.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 19, 2015, 07:16:06 AM
They are on 30m right now, 1500Z, LP.  But they opened with EU without even listening for NA.  No busting the EU pile from this side.  To make matters worse, as soon as they went QRV a domestic rag chew started up on his transmit frequency.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 19, 2015, 07:33:35 AM
The EP6T team was upfront about their concern of working NA, and Col has always been fair IMO.  But this far into the DXPed, if I was on that team I'd want that Leaderboard off and those statistics disabled.  Yikes.

Maybe this is part of the plan to get the EU fat, happy, and quieted down?  

What was Col's role with this expedition?  He's not listed as an operator or even a pilot.

I know he wrote a post announcing the expedition but he's in the DX news business.  Did he play a role and what was it?

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 07:35:43 AM
KJ4Z Harold, I'm with you on finding the last worked. Also using my 80's and 90's style DX "tricks".  So 2 days ago I ordered some SDR equipment so I can run a cw skimmer for myself
and follow the pattern.
I've only heard these guys once and it is LP in the AM for me.
Clublog really needs to remove the leaderboard feature once and forall.

So much for trying to work W6/W7, working EU during LP opening to the NorthWest right now.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 19, 2015, 07:41:46 AM
So 2 days ago I ordered some SDR equipment so I can run a cw skimmer for myself
and follow the pattern.

Just did the same thing myself (Anan-10E) but how do you utilize SDR as a skimmer at the same time you're using the main rig on the same band?

John AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-sdr-rig-on-the-way-from-india/
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 19, 2015, 07:47:40 AM
The EP6T team was upfront about their concern of working NA, and Col has always been fair IMO.  But this far into the DXPed, if I was on that team I'd want that Leaderboard off and those statistics disabled.  Yikes.

Maybe this is part of the plan to get the EU fat, happy, and quieted down?  

What was Col's role with this expedition?  He's not listed as an operator or even a pilot.

I know he wrote a post announcing the expedition but he's in the DX news business.  Did he play a role and what was it?

73,

Chris  NU1O

Nope - just a journalist. 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2015, 07:58:23 AM
Nice signal on 17m SSB but the rate of 1 Qso per 2-3 minutes does not help. And this is the prime time for midwest US. The operator is overwhelmed and can't handle huge pileups efficiently. No copy on 20m SSB at the moment. Wow, I wasn't thinking it would be this tough. I was hoping for at least one Qso but if things continue like this...

I was in the 17m pile this morning, they were a 55 at best, LP, here.

20m ssb was worse, maybe peaked a 52 LP. 12m cw was just a faint copy, nothing on 10m.

17m/20m faded out a bit ago.

The slow rate didn't help, the noise/QRM on the ops side didn't help, and the continual NA callers didn't help. 17m was pretty much a goat screw.  :P

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 08:00:25 AM
John,

Went the way with NooElec USB dongle and upconverter, they have a kit, its receive only.
Plug it into a PC add the software, plug in an antenna and figure out a way to turn the receiver "off"
during xmit.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 08:41:22 AM
Nice signal on 17m SSB but the rate of 1 Qso per 2-3 minutes does not help. And this is the prime time for midwest US. The operator is overwhelmed and can't handle huge pileups efficiently. No copy on 20m SSB at the moment. Wow, I wasn't thinking it would be this tough. I was hoping for at least one Qso but if things continue like this...

I was in the 17m pile this morning, they were a 55 at best, LP, here.

20m ssb was worse, maybe peaked a 52 LP. 12m cw was just a faint copy, nothing on 10m.

17m/20m faded out a bit ago.

The slow rate didn't help, the noise/QRM on the ops side didn't help, and the continual NA callers didn't help. 17m was pretty much a goat screw.  :P



I know, they were slow, no consistency on moving up or down, good ol' boys making comments over them
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 19, 2015, 09:06:21 AM
Nice signal on 17m SSB but the rate of 1 Qso per 2-3 minutes does not help. And this is the prime time for midwest US. The operator is overwhelmed and can't handle huge pileups efficiently. No copy on 20m SSB at the moment. Wow, I wasn't thinking it would be this tough. I was hoping for at least one Qso but if things continue like this...

I was in the 17m pile this morning, they were a 55 at best, LP, here.

20m ssb was worse, maybe peaked a 52 LP. 12m cw was just a faint copy, nothing on 10m.

17m/20m faded out a bit ago.

The slow rate didn't help, the noise/QRM on the ops side didn't help, and the continual NA callers didn't help. 17m was pretty much a goat screw.  :P


Yeah that always calling thing gets to be a real pain in .....
Solid on 17M this A.M. even on the mobile. Running S5 for about 45 minutes.

The other reports you gave are ditto with me. I did hear the 10M in/out for a few minutes but no chance for a Q.
No chance on any freq this morning except for 17M.

say the LP on 17M......was it from southeast ?

I gave up on this mess about 1430Z.
The 30M signal last night has been the strongest with me. Yes they working EU mixed with NA. What ????

73 Tony N5UD /M
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 19, 2015, 09:07:12 AM
Need to be in Florida to work this group from N.A.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N7SMI on January 19, 2015, 09:34:10 AM
But this far into the DXPed, if I was on that team I'd want that Leaderboard off and those statistics disabled.  Yikes.

Their uniques rate is just 35.6% (still higher than some other recent DXpeditions). There are several EU stations with 19 band/mode fills already. 99 stations have 13 or more band/fills in the first 3 days. This means that 1431 QSOs (almost 8% of the total QSOs) have gone to just 99 people.

This is why I despise the leaderboard function. Unfortunately the trend toward favoring band fills over single QSO opportunity continues.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 09:41:14 AM
John,

Went the way with NooElec USB dongle and upconverter, they have a kit, its receive only.
Plug it into a PC add the software, plug in an antenna and figure out a way to turn the receiver "off"
during xmit.

If you can get at your main receiver's unfiltered IF, that is probably better than capturing over-the-air.  Otherwise, maybe you can use your rig's linear PTT control line to also short the NooElec dongle's antenna input to ground.

Interesting to see that others have noted the same problem and are coming to similar conclusions on how to address it.  This hobby is always changing!

73,
Mike
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 10:19:54 AM
Hi Mike,

I have an FTdx5000mp with an LP-PAN 2 and ASUS external sound card like in the DOCs on the Panadapter.

I'm going to use my pixel magnetic loop as the antenna for the dongle and use the PTT for my amp to switch

the pixel preamp on and off, tnx for the suggestion, "the lightbulb came on" when I was reading your post.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 19, 2015, 10:30:37 AM
Hi Mike,

I have an FTdx5000mp with an LP-PAN 2 and ASUS external sound card like in the DOCs on the Panadapter.

I'm going to use my pixel magnetic loop as the antenna for the dongle and use the PTT for my amp to switch

the pixel preamp on and off, tnx for the suggestion, "the lightbulb came on" when I was reading your post.

Think I recall seeing one of these on someone's website who was skimmering and operating on the same band:
http://www.dxengineering.com/search/part-type/sequencers/product-line/dx-engineering-time-variable-sequencer-units?autoview=SKU&sortby=Default&sortorder=Ascending

(Sorry for hijacking the thread - maybe I'm a gnome too).

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 10:36:27 AM
That sequencer is a cool product I hadn't noticed before.  Will keep that in mind for other projects...

I have access to a second site about 1.5 miles distant from the main QTH.  I wonder if that would be far enough away to let a skimmer just run constantly without getting overloaded.  This could really be an interesting project actually.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 19, 2015, 10:49:33 AM
The cluster spot that sums the Eu attitude up went something like this,  "Band open to EU and he calls for NA"

Unbelievable!



Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9OY on January 19, 2015, 10:54:07 AM
To get SDR to work with skimmer, the SDR should be able to run PowerSDR_mrx.  You will also need a virtual com port program like com0com, and you will need a virtual audio program like virtual audio cable (which is not free).  

I would choose a stronger RX than the Nooelec dongle which tends to overload easily.  I have the Nooelec and am less than impressed.  A better cheap choice would be the Afedri SDR-Net with its 12 bit ADC.  Of course a true SDR transceiver like the Anan or Flex allows complete point and shoot integration of skimmer into the station.  Protecting the DDS in a SDR is a definite consideration if your transmit antenna is in the proximity of the SDR rx antenna, as you can burn out these chips with too many dBm across the antenna terminals.  I would at least put a N.C. relay on the antenna input of the SDR rx that opens on transmit.  The SDR transceivers are more protected with the Flex Signature series being most protected.

Skimmer is great for analyzing the dynamics of a pile up, but its information is entirely dependent on propagation.  I spent 3 hours last night trying to work EP6T on 40 and 30.  He was more than strong enough to work on both bands but he was mostly working EU/AS and I had no propagation to EU/AS so I had no insight into the pileups or where the DX was listening.  Finally after a cluster post I understood the DX was listening 5 khz above where I was calling.  By then the terminator had flown over his head along with my chances.  I'll take another crack at him tonight

73  W9OY

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 10:59:54 AM
Tnx for the info, looking at it now.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9OY on January 19, 2015, 11:00:56 AM
I guess VAC 4.13 is now free
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 11:01:32 AM
Protecting the DDS in a SDR is a definite consideration if your transmit antenna is in the proximity of the SDR rx antenna, as you can burn out these chips with too many dBm across the antenna terminals.

In your experience, how much physical separation is necessary between TX and RX antennas?  Is 100 yards enough in a typical installation?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 11:17:44 AM
EU= 75%, AS= 13% (Wait for it)...NA=7.9% ::) Some of the so called Leaders have up to 19 Q's  (http://www.clublog.org/charts/?c=EP6T#r)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 11:39:00 AM
The cluster spot that sums the Eu attitude up went something like this,  "Band open to EU and he calls for NA"

Unbelievable!



Mark N1UK

Here's a selection of fresh comments: "operators too fresh," "Bad optors Terrible dxp" (that one is from their fellow countryman), "one qso per minute vy fest," "does this guy know what he is," "new op is pathetic," "after qrx-3 new op poor slow."  And this is from the region that is getting 3/4 of the Qs.  Tough crowd!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 19, 2015, 11:39:23 AM
Wow, I feel lucky I'm in that 182 from NA who made a QSO with them on 30.

I hope it turns around for NA quickly.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 11:45:21 AM
Its a WAE dxpedition :o, if and when they work all of EU, I would not be surprised to see the DQRM maintain its current level when they try to work the rest of the planet.
I believe they have bitten off more than they can chew, I hope they learn quickly and adjust their habits. One big mistake, they should have yagis instead of hexbeams.
On 20m yesterday LP the op would get a partial call, ask for it then change to another partial call and then switch again to another.  Man you are soooo done when you do that even once.
Respect is gone and here comes bedlam.
There is still much time left, it will be interesting how this plays out.

Henry
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 11:49:17 AM
Wow, I feel lucky I'm in that 182 from NA who made a QSO with them on 30.

I hope it turns around for NA quickly.

Even the richest hunting grounds for NA, 40 and 17, had only 251 Qs each.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 11:55:40 AM
Funny thing is that most of EU does not need EP for a new one.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 11:56:05 AM
Wow, I feel lucky I'm in that 182 from NA who made a QSO with them on 30.

I hope it turns around for NA quickly.

I think they are waiting for all the EUs to get a Q, and then we'll get ours in NA ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 11:58:41 AM
Funny thing is that most of EU does not need EP for a new one.

Hope they need K1N REAL BAD ::)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 19, 2015, 12:03:11 PM
Its a WAE dxpedition :o, if and when they work all of EU, I would not be surprised to see the DQRM maintain its current level when they try to work the rest of the planet.
I believe they have bitten off more than they can chew, I hope they learn quickly and adjust their habits. One big mistake, they should have yagis instead of hexbeams.
On 20m yesterday LP the op would get a partial call, ask for it then change to another partial call and then switch again to another.  Man you are soooo done when you do that even once.
Respect is gone and here comes bedlam.
There is still much time left, it will be interesting how this plays out.

Henry

Hexbeams are 2 element yagis Henry, and they work very good when you know how to use them.  :D

73 Dragan KØAP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2015, 12:06:10 PM
Funny thing is that most of EU does not need EP for a new one.

Hope they need K1N REAL BAD ::)

Oh I can't wait to see the cluster comments....
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 12:08:39 PM
Funny thing is that most of EU does not need EP for a new one.

Hope they need K1N REAL BAD ::)

Oh I can't wait to see the cluster comments....

I plan to post "Band is open to NA but they only work EU!" every 5 minutes ;)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 12:12:47 PM
K0AP, I know, I use one myself, I also have a 3 element 10m yagi that is below it.  The yagi out performs the hex everytime on both xmit and receive.
Even on 12m with my tuner.

Mike, read the cluster, I just beat you!  ;D ::)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 12:16:48 PM
LOL, just got a private message from IK5IWU and says" this afternoon in EU was 59 and he was calling only NA"

What a LID :D :D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 19, 2015, 12:19:35 PM
I guess VAC 4.13 is now free

I'm using VB-Cable with my FunCube Pro+ and it was plug-n-play easy. Will probably continue using them when Anan arrives.
http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Cable/

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB3LIX on January 19, 2015, 12:21:25 PM
Funny thing is that most of EU does not need EP for a new one.

Hope they need K1N REAL BAD ::)

Based on the fact that Navassa hasen't been active in 20 or so years,
I suspect the WHINING / WAILING & Gnashing of teeth
from Europe is going to be fierce.

Good for them.

Maybe we should organize to nmake their lives MOST MISERABLE !
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 12:25:17 PM
John, tnx for that additional information,  what I see my end project to be is an RTTY skimmer.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 12:27:35 PM
Bill I like your thinking, how about fake spots and QSX frequencies. :D :D :D Don't get me started.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 12:31:36 PM
" this afternoon in EU was 59 and he was calling only NA"

Was that in response to your cluster post?  Maybe what is missing here is a lack of propagation understanding.  The idea seems to be "they're 59 here, so they should be working me."  Never mind that they may usually be 55, and that brief 59 window may be the only time some other guy hears them at all.  In the end I guess it always boils down to selfishness.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 19, 2015, 12:33:25 PM
K0AP, I know, I use one myself, I also have a 3 element 10m yagi that is below it.  The yagi out performs the hex everytime on both xmit and receive.
Even on 12m with my tuner.

And it should perform better, it's 3 vs. 2 elements. It would be strange if it did not. As far as 12m, I don't see how. The hex beam is resonant while the other
Yagi is not. With my HEX on 12m I constantly beat the local guys with non resonant beams.

73 Dragan KØAP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 12:57:28 PM
Mike,

I had a laugh when I read it, I thought the same as you, that he has no clue on propagation.  And yes that is word for word what he sent.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
HexBeam?  Right! ::)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 19, 2015, 01:39:04 PM
Is it possible they're being told by their hosts to not have many contacts with NA because of disagreement between USA and Iran?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 19, 2015, 01:42:09 PM
Got them on 10 and 12 this morning.  10 meters was a lucky one call shot for me.  Nearly fell out of my chair when he came back to the "three whiskey".  12 took some work - about 20 minutes, but finally found a hole.

Its odd, I heard them quite well on 20 this morning - sounded long path.  They were working 100% Europe and doing the pile pretty well; he QRXed and then a new op came on listening for North America.  Their signal plunged to about S1 or S2.  Not easy then.

I had a shot last night on 40 CW.  He came back to NN3 ... sent NN3? twice, and then some a$$hole N4 covered me and the EP3 worked the N4 and moved on.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 01:46:33 PM
The Hexbeam "outperforms" my 3 El-SteppIR Yagi?  Hmmmmm? Really?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 01:51:49 PM
Got them on 10 and 12 this morning.

Is this the setup you were using?   :o

http://www.globalqsl.com/view_gallery/media/106/NN3W_MARYLAND_front_high.jpg (http://www.globalqsl.com/view_gallery/media/106/NN3W_MARYLAND_front_high.jpg)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 19, 2015, 01:58:01 PM
The Hexbeam "outperforms" my 3 El-SteppIR Yagi?  Hmmmmm? Really?

Sez who?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AA6YQ on January 19, 2015, 02:04:49 PM
Nice east coast sigs on 3503 now (22z), but JA's have the propagation advantage until their sunrise ends the opening.

     73,

           Dave, AA6YQ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9XX on January 19, 2015, 02:10:43 PM

http://www.globalqsl.com/view_gallery/media/106/NN3W_MARYLAND_front_high.jpg


I Think that's a qrp set up for field day.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 19, 2015, 02:12:44 PM
Is it possible they're being told by their hosts to not have many contacts with NA because of disagreement between USA and Iran?

That thought entered my mind but people will say we are paranoid.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 02:16:22 PM
The Hexbeam "outperforms" my 3 El-SteppIR Yagi?  Hmmmmm? Really?

Sez who?

Me, hey, don't get your drawers in a bustle, was just stirring the pot..everyone knows the Hexbeam is the most FB antenna out there ;)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 19, 2015, 02:18:09 PM
Got them on 10 and 12 this morning.

Is this the setup you were using?   :o

http://www.globalqsl.com/view_gallery/media/106/NN3W_MARYLAND_front_high.jpg (http://www.globalqsl.com/view_gallery/media/106/NN3W_MARYLAND_front_high.jpg)

I think Rich was using his home station. That station in the picture belongs to N3HBX and Rich operates there for contests.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 19, 2015, 02:55:13 PM
Got them on 10 and 12 this morning.  10 meters was a lucky one call shot for me.  Nearly fell out of my chair when he came back to the "three whiskey".  12 took some work - about 20 minutes, but finally found a hole.

Good job! Sometimes...you're just that lucky!

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K9NW on January 19, 2015, 03:10:09 PM
Quote
I'm so happy  <<some UA3s/UR5s>>  have managed 18 QSOs in two days.


It's easy to look at leaderboard numbers and draw all kinds of conclusions, some valid, perhaps, and some not so much.  Do you know for certain what time of day those 18 QSOs occurred?  Do you know for certain that every one of those 18 QSOs came at the expense of a NA QSO?  That seems to be the implication.

There is probably a minimum of 8 hours/day that there is no propagation from EP6T to NA on any band.  Yet, there is likely a very easy path to EU on multiple bands during these hours.  (The path between Kish Island and the border of zones 15 & 16 looks to be roughly equivalent to the path between W9 and KP2.  At this time of the year, under "normal" condx, I can usually work KP2 from W9 with decent signals on at least 5 bands, 10m thru 20m, from sunrise to sunset.)  They can work lots and lots of EU during these hours, which will naturally drive up the percentages.  What are they supposed to do during this NA downtime?  Go have a sandwich?  Just to even out the percentages?

Maybe they are or maybe they aren't exploiting every possible NA opening on every band...that's another discussion.  My point is that there is more to the (early) high EU QSO percentages than simply leaderboards and guys filling in greenies.

They are only about three full days into this operation.  They are there for another week.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 19, 2015, 03:18:58 PM
Is it possible they're being told by their hosts to not have many contacts with NA because of disagreement between USA and Iran?

That thought entered my mind but people will say we are paranoid.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Nah Chris that is just way to paranoid.   IMO it's coming down to whats easier to work.  They are getting too caught up in Q rate and are probably not realizing it's pissing off a lot of people outside of the EU.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 03:22:23 PM
Didn't they say somewhere that the first few days were going to be used to try to trim down the EUs?, etc.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 19, 2015, 03:40:09 PM
SUPER signal on 40 tonight, but no luck, even when calling NA .
Very good operator too! ;D

I am a little under the weather right now,
so don't feel like fighting the pile for over an hour or so.

GL to all... Gene
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5MOA on January 19, 2015, 03:45:10 PM
Slowly coming up to a decent signal here on 40m, but hard to hear with a +20 carrier and people cq'n on top of them.

It ain't all coming from EU.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 19, 2015, 03:46:21 PM
On 40CW now but the QRMers have moved in ::)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 19, 2015, 03:49:24 PM
Quote
I'm so happy  <<some UA3s/UR5s>>  have managed 18 QSOs in two days.


It's easy to look at leaderboard numbers and draw all kinds of conclusions, some valid, perhaps, and some not so much.  Do you know for certain what time of day those 18 QSOs occurred?  Do you know for certain that every one of those 18 QSOs came at the expense of a NA QSO?  That seems to be the implication.

There is probably a minimum of 8 hours/day that there is no propagation from EP6T to NA on any band.  Yet, there is likely a very easy path to EU on multiple bands during these hours.  (The path between Kish Island and the border of zones 15 & 16 looks to be roughly equivalent to the path between W9 and KP2.  At this time of the year, under "normal" condx, I can usually work KP2 from W9 with decent signals on at least 5 bands, 10m thru 20m, from sunrise to sunset.)  They can work lots and lots of EU during these hours, which will naturally drive up the percentages.  What are they supposed to do during this NA downtime?  Go have a sandwich?  Just to even out the percentages?

Maybe they are or maybe they aren't exploiting every possible NA opening on every band...that's another discussion.  My point is that there is more to the (early) high EU QSO percentages than simply leaderboards and guys filling in greenies.

They are only about three full days into this operation.  They are there for another week.



Hi Mike,

I think a lot of the NA grumbling is that there is no focus on NA only during peak times - even a half an hour at sunrise when low band conditions peak would be appreciated.  Instead, EP6T continues to work primarily EU during these times to high frustration of NA DXers.  I would fully expect EU percentages to be higher, but 1.5K NA to 13K EU is pretty damning.  

Granted, they likely would be heavily jammed if they spent time asking for NA.  Or, they could be focusing on working down EU demand early.  But - their initial announcement before the DXpedition started was "Low bands for NA".  They have several pilots, yet there is no information coming from the team other than "we are working pileups!".  If they have some strategy to work EU early, then make that announcement.  It would really help a lot with the frustration.  I suspect the NA pilot's email inbox is getting hammered.

When K1N kicks off, I bet they will work more EU than NA when it is all said and done.  Percentages will be close, but I would put money down that they have more EU in the log than NA.  I am sure they will spend time listening for EU at sunset on the low bands, and after sunrise on the high bands.  Then, they will likely shift to NA, and finish a band opening by asking for Asia/JA/PAC.  Same like your team did @ K9W.  The EP ops just don't seem to be doing this, and it is baffling a lot of people.

I also do not understand why they insist on using the Clublog leader board, which frankly, is utterly stupid unless you are a DXpedition like T32C trying to break the QSO record.

To their credit, they seem to be sitting on 30m during all hours while the band is open - if they continue this - eventually EU demand will run dry and a lot of others will make it into the log at least on one band.  This is a good band for this time of year to reach most parts of the globe.

73, Dave
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KA1J on January 19, 2015, 04:40:41 PM
All DXpedetions work areas that get more contacts than others. Complaining about who gets more is academic till the next DXpedition which favors their area & then the problem doesn't seem to exist. I'd really like to work EP6T on 160 but I'm just happy to see them activated.

FWIW, working that area of the world on 160 has always been really difficult for my area.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 19, 2015, 05:03:55 PM
The amount of QRM on this DXpedition is bizarre. I have never heard it this bad. My theory is the QRMers don't like Iran for some reason.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 19, 2015, 05:06:49 PM
40 CW in the log.  ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2015, 05:11:54 PM
With so few NA contacts (especially those on the West side of America) perhaps there's hope Paul N6PSE will consider a second dxpedition with a focus on NA.  If you recall he tried very hard to activate Iran but the Rockall group beat him to it.

I'll be happy with just one contact.  Crap!  Did I just say that :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 19, 2015, 05:13:25 PM
With so few NA contacts perhaps there's hope Paul N6PSE will consider a second dxpedition with a focus on NA.  If you recall he tried very hard to activate Iran but the Rockall group beat him to it.

I'll be happy with just one contact.  Crap!  Did I just say that :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

They seem to be banging out NA tonight but the QRM is extremely awful. The filters aren't working so well, except the filter between the ears.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 05:14:09 PM
With so few NA contacts (especially those on the West side of America) perhaps there's hope Paul N6PSE will consider a second dxpedition with a focus on NA.  If you recall he tried very hard to activate Iran but the Rockall group beat him to it.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Funnily enough, I was saying that very thing to KK4VAU this afternoon.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9OY on January 19, 2015, 05:18:52 PM
Protecting the DDS in a SDR is a definite consideration if your transmit antenna is in the proximity of the SDR rx antenna, as you can burn out these chips with too many dBm across the antenna terminals.

In your experience, how much physical separation is necessary between TX and RX antennas?  Is 100 yards enough in a typical installation?

With 50 yards separation on 2 resonant verticals, 1KW on the TX antenna puts about +15 dBm on the RX antenna.

73  W9OY
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2015, 05:20:24 PM
They seem to be banging out NA tonight but the QRM is extremely awful. The filters aren't working so well, except the filter between the ears.

Thanks.  It doesn't help matters when I'm not sitting in front of a radio tonight.

I have EP confirmed on three modes but all on 20m. I'll be happy with a contact on 17m.  I think 17m LP is my best shot.  I just can't compete with the EU or the East Coast on the SP.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3QE on January 19, 2015, 05:27:37 PM
It doesn't help matters when I'm not sitting in front of a radio tonight.

Actually it does help your sanity to not have the radio on tonight! For a while there were two "EP6T" on the same frequency on 30M CW (who knows, maybe both pirates?) and the QRM to the ?potential?possible? pirate on 40M CW is just horrendous.

Tim.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 19, 2015, 05:51:24 PM
@N2NL

Quote
I think a lot of the NA grumbling is that there is no focus on NA only during peak times - even a half an hour at sunrise when low band conditions peak would be appreciated.  Instead, EP6T continues to work primarily EU during these times to high frustration of NA DXers.

Absolutely.  As I mentioned earlier, EP6T opened up on 30m around 1430Z with a perfectly workable LP signal into western NA, yet begins with EU.  The EU path from Iran is essentially open all day and night.

Quote
Granted, they likely would be heavily jammed if they spent time asking for NA.

Asking for NA and working NA are two different things.  EP6T asked repeatedly for NA early in our morning when 7/8 of the continent was still in darkness.  Other than perhaps a few lucky east coast DXers with band opening arrays, this does few people any good.  I couldn't even hear a stateside pileup on 10 or 12m this morning, let alone EP6T.

Quote
Or, they could be focusing on working down EU demand early.

Or they could just be doing the easiest thing because of inexperience.  

Quote
They have several pilots...I suspect the NA pilot's email inbox is getting hammered.

Er, who?  No offence to N5FG, but one pilot for NA and SA?  Floyd may be an accomplished DXer, but does he understand propagation from the west coast?  Or SA for cripes sake?!?  This is a job for at least three pilots.  And that probably shortchanges SA.  Maybe some someones with a little higher profile in the DX community?

Quote
If they have some strategy to work EU early, then make that announcement.  It would really help a lot with the frustration.

Absolutely.  However if K1N took that strategy with NA, EU would go nuclear.  Can't you just hear the cluster comments now?  "NA expedition for NA only!' "Only want the $$."  "Band open to EU, why not EU?"

Quote
When K1N kicks off, I bet they will work more EU than NA when it is all said and done.

EU is pretty easy from the Carribean, actually.

Quote
...they will spend time listening for EU at sunset on the low bands, and after sunrise on the high bands.  Then, they will likely shift to NA, and finish a band opening by asking for Asia/JA/PAC.  Same like your team did @ K9W.  The EP ops just don't seem to be doing this, and it is baffling a lot of people.

That's EP6T's operator lack of experience showing.  What you suggest presumes the ops know what they are doing.

Quote
I also do not understand why they insist on using the Clublog leader board, which frankly which is utterly stupid...

ClubLog leader board is getting a lot of abuse over this one.  I think it could be shut down and one would notice very little difference.  People need an excuse when they can't work a DXpedition, and the leader board is a handy scapegoat.  The mess in the pileups isn't from the leader board.  It's frustration with the operation which goes directly back to the operators.  I've worked lots of rare expeditions with active leader boards with no problem.

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To their credit, they seem to be sitting on 30m during all hours while the band is open - if they continue this - eventually EU demand will run dry and a lot of others will make it into the log at least on one band.  This is a good band for this time of year to reach most parts of the globe.

Yeah, all parts of the world...frequently simultaneously.  The demand isn't gonna abate if the operator smokes a cigarette between each QSO.  30m tonite was a good example.  He would finally get a callsign, call the station repeatedly and then go on to someone else (eventually) often without acknowledgment of the previous Q.  Or call CQ.  Sheesh.  30m could be a high rate band.  They really need a competent operator there.  I noticed several times that he jacked up his transmit speed.  What was the point of that when he's only making a Q every couple of minutes or longer?

I'm really surprised that some of you made contributions in advance to an unknown team without a single Yank or Canadian on board for balance.  To a rare country in the shadow of EU, no less.  I might do that with a team of experienced, international operators, but who are these guys anyway?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N6PSE on January 19, 2015, 05:53:27 PM
EP6T has been extremely difficult on the West Coast. We had about a ten minute opening tonight on 20 SSB just before our sunset. They worked a few W6's but never asked for the West a Coast specifically.

I've got quite a "backstory" on our efforts to activate Iran. I'll blog about it sometime.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 19, 2015, 05:54:03 PM
It took a couple of tries to get the call correct..but should be in the log on 40m CW just moments ago. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

#317 (316 confirmed)

Kudos to the op for sticking with folks and pulling out their calls!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 06:00:36 PM
Paul,

That would be very interesting to read.

LP for me is much better in the morning, yesterday morn I heard them for an hour on 20m phone, very light
on 17m phone and a very good signal on 15m cw.

Henry
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 19, 2015, 06:03:49 PM
Made them finally on 20M SSB and 40M CW Monday night right around 0000Z each. I feel like I should on 80M CW but it's not happening.  I recommend doing it the old fashioned way, QRO and huge array, at least early in this game.  What a mess.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 06:04:44 PM
Is anyone else hearing a loud, raspy broadband buzz extending across almost the entire 30 meter band?  If so, any idea what it is?

I've never heard it before.  It seems to drop out occasionally, no question it's manmade.  S9 in Tennessee.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2015, 06:05:44 PM
It took a couple of tries to get the call correct..but should be in the log on 40m CW just moments ago. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

#317 (316 confirmed)

Kudos to the op for sticking with folks and pulling out their calls!

I heard your QSO, congrats!!! I'm still working at getting them in the log for an ATNO..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 19, 2015, 06:09:39 PM
It took a couple of tries to get the call correct..but should be in the log on 40m CW just moments ago. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

#317 (316 confirmed)

Kudos to the op for sticking with folks and pulling out their calls!

I heard your QSO, congrats!!! I'm still working at getting them in the log for an ATNO..

Thanks...keep at it! You will get it!

(Remember...winners never quit, and quitters never win!)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 06:10:31 PM
Is anyone else hearing a loud, raspy broadband buzz extending across almost the entire 30 meter band?  If so, any idea what it is?

I've never heard it before.  It seems to drop out occasionally, no question it's manmade.  S9 in Tennessee.

It just stopped.  I was able to hear it in California too.  Whatever it was, it must have taken a lot of power to be that loud across the whole band.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 19, 2015, 06:14:26 PM
I recommend doing it the old fashioned way, QRO and huge array, at least early in this game.  What a mess.

This is certainly not a expedition to try and reach using QRP  ;D
If you really need it for atno, you better have legal limit power and a beam.

Rob
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2015, 06:14:58 PM
It took a couple of tries to get the call correct..but should be in the log on 40m CW just moments ago. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

#317 (316 confirmed)

Kudos to the op for sticking with folks and pulling out their calls!

I heard your QSO, congrats!!! I'm still working at getting them in the log for an ATNO..

Thanks...keep at it! You will get it!

(Remember...winners never quit, and quitters never win!)

Nah I don't give up! Hoping for #304 here..

I just heard W2IRT's QSO on 40m, congrats Peter also.

Looking forward to my turn..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 19, 2015, 06:17:31 PM

If you really need it for atno, you better have legal limit power and a beam.

Rob

Dipole....but pushing it with an Acom 1500.
It still took ~1.5 hours to snag him. Certainly, for now anyway, life is too short for QRP.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 19, 2015, 06:19:43 PM
That "noise" was OTHR or over the horizon radar, who in here remembers the russian woodpecker? And no it wasn't a bird.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 19, 2015, 06:21:18 PM
That "noise" was OTHR or over the horizon radar, who in here remembers the russian woodpecker? And no it wasn't a bird.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.  Hope it's frequency-agile and nobody's planning to move in.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 19, 2015, 06:31:50 PM
I just heard W2IRT's QSO on 40m, congrats Peter also.

Thanks. First Q with them after getting home from a weekend vacation. I had one of the resident ops (SMH) on CW but was waiting for EP6T for both RTTY and CW.

30m op is completely deaf. He's S7-9 on the east coast and he's just CQing over and over, working 1 every 5 minutes. Must be having antenna problems or extreme QRM that we can't hear in NA. Update: He started to work Europe and like magic he's no longer deaf. I guess I was expecting better. Silly me.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9XX on January 19, 2015, 07:39:09 PM
It would be nice to work them on rtty for #300 and like 331 on 17 and 319 on 12, 284 on 30 and 299 on 40.But the qrm lids are just a big turn off in the hobby.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2015, 07:47:39 PM
I just heard W2IRT's QSO on 40m, congrats Peter also.

Thanks. First Q with them after getting home from a weekend vacation. I had one of the resident ops (SMH) on CW but was waiting for EP6T for both RTTY and CW.


Congrats again on 30m
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 19, 2015, 07:48:21 PM
Congrats again on 30m

Thanks!! Looks like they either had a change in operators or a reduction in QRM on their end. They started running NA nicely on 30m around 0320-0330z and with a little luck and the right timing, I worked them without too much trouble. No luck hearing them on 80 tonight, though. Now for the high bands and RTTY!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4OGW on January 19, 2015, 07:49:53 PM
Very good sigs here on 80cw at their sunrise. Couldn't get through the east coast however.

Tor
N4OGW/5
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9OY on January 19, 2015, 08:16:27 PM
Got them on 40 CW at my sunset and on 30 CW at their sunrise.  Both ops excellent at holding to NA QSO's.  Heard them on 80 but faded at their sunrise on that band.

73  W9OY
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 19, 2015, 08:17:08 PM
I just heard W2IRT's QSO on 40m, congrats Peter also.

Thanks. First Q with them after getting home from a weekend vacation. I had one of the resident ops (SMH) on CW but was waiting for EP6T for both RTTY and CW.

30m op is completely deaf. He's S7-9 on the east coast and he's just CQing over and over, working 1 every 5 minutes. Must be having antenna problems or extreme QRM that we can't hear in NA. Update: He started to work Europe and like magic he's no longer deaf. I guess I was expecting better. Silly me.

When I worked him he was kinda deaf, took a couple tries to get my call but I have a better signal on 30 than most.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 19, 2015, 08:19:40 PM
Yeah they were still pretty strong when I heard them work you, Peter. They've since faded to where I can barely pick out calls. I was at it for 3-4 hours tonight with no luck. I'll keep at it a little longer tonight but will work at it again tomorrow.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WO7R on January 19, 2015, 08:44:47 PM
A couple of my buddies have got through, great for them, but no joy for me.  Signals have been very weak here in Arizona or at least they have been at my QTH.  After a while,  I began to wonder if my tower fell down.

We'll see what tomorrow brings.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 19, 2015, 09:21:41 PM
Band conditions in Texas to EP6 were worse than last night. S3 at best on 30M when last night S7. Then S3 for only 15 minutes.

Yes I thought the 30m op/station was deaf. That neon sign must be killing them on receive when it is on.

40m SSB peaked at a 4 X 6 signal. CW was weaker.
 20M was nil

Just plain crummy down here.

Oh the radar was great. S9+ and 20 Khz wide.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AA6YQ on January 19, 2015, 09:23:10 PM
Very good sigs here on 80cw at their sunrise. Couldn't get through the east coast however.

Yes, it was interesting that their 80m CW signal was reasonable strong near Boston just after the east coast sunset, gradually weakened till ~2Z, and then began building towards a peak at As-166 sunrise (~3Z); they kept working east coast stations for at least 30 minutes after their sunrise. No joy here, however...
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2015, 09:42:40 PM
Not a whisper heard on 30m or 40m tonight in Colorado.  Yes, condition really took a dump.  Been trying C5X on 80m for over an hour in vain.  I'm going to bed early.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 20, 2015, 02:59:18 AM
Not a whisper heard on 30m or 40m tonight in Colorado.  Yes, condition really took a dump.  

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Actually he was quite loud here Jonathon, as good as he's ever been on 30m SP.  Then again I have a beam on 30m.   But obviously EU and JA were louder to him, so other than the occasional W1 or W2 no NA.

@N6PSE:

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EP6T has been extremely difficult on the West Coast. We had about a ten minute opening tonight on 20 SSB just before our sunset. They worked a few W6's but never asked for the West a Coast specifically.

For the western half of NA, we really need to be focusing on the morning LP.  He was quite loud on 20 and 17m a couple of days ago from around 1500 to 1600Z.  And 30m too, if we can get his attention before he turns to EU.  I'll bet the 40M path is there too, if only he was, and listening.

A local and my friend, KT0DX, got him on 20 and 17m on the morning of the 18th for his last one.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 20, 2015, 04:27:10 AM
Latest log update was done near 1100z this morning. They have been averaging 7,000 per upload for their last two updates, this one had less than 900. Looks like only a partial update to their log today.

Date   Total QSOs   Uniques Uniques %
20-01-2015   886   266   30.0
19-01-2015   6908   1973   28.6
18-01-2015   7769   2581   33.2
17-01-2015   3936   1746   44.4
16-01-2015   595   499   83.9
Totals       20094   7065   35.2
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 20, 2015, 04:47:15 AM
There is a nice opening to 15 meters right now (1244 UTC) but unless they specifically ask for NA -- as they did yesterday on 10 meters - most of us don't have a prayer of breaking through those close countries.

In an hour this path is going to be closed so I hope they remember us in NA.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 20, 2015, 05:01:21 AM
Just snagged them on 40M Phone! Loud here :) Took one call! :o
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5MOA on January 20, 2015, 05:03:10 AM
Band conditions in Texas to EP6 were worse than last night.

Just plain crummy down here.



  Yes, condition really took a dump. 



  Signals have been very weak here in Arizona or at least they have been at my QTH.  After a while,  I began to wonder if my tower fell down.


I was beginning to think I was alone.  :P  I don't have a beam for 30 and down, but still.....that area of the world is usually louder.  I was expecting stupid pileups. I wasn't expecting their signals to be so weak.




There is a nice opening to 15 meters right now (1244 UTC) but unless they specifically ask for NA -- as they did yesterday on 10 meters - most of us don't have a prayer of breaking through those close countries.

In an hour this path is going to be closed so I hope they remember us in NA.


20/17m have been a somewhat better LP in the mornings, still too early to tell here.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 20, 2015, 05:05:05 AM
Actually a 5/7+ here, very little noise :) Calling NA
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5MOA on January 20, 2015, 05:12:22 AM
14.033, up SP stronger here, 529

Not spotted yet
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 20, 2015, 05:13:00 AM
Really good signal now, NO QRM, a little QSB but great signal
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3QE on January 20, 2015, 05:25:48 AM
Did anyone in NA who worked "EP6T" on 40M CW Monday night, show up in the online log this morning?

I have a very strong feeling I am earning the WAS "Worked All Slims" award.

And I'm sure one of the two stations ID'ing on 30M as EP6T last night was a slim too. Maybe they both were!!!

I am starting to think that real EP6T had only one CW operator last night and he was on 80M.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 20, 2015, 06:14:21 AM
An inexperienced op on 15 SSB this morning was completely overwhelmed. While he was trying to work NA, he was saying "no Europe" (instead of "North America"), and, well, once Europeans heard the word "Europe" and just started calling non-stop. Then he'd call an EU station, ask if they were in Europe, and said they weren't in the log. Yes, it was a good try but he was failing miserably. I'll give him kudos for realizing it was a perfect greyline path to the west coast, and he went QSY to 80 for W6. Hope they get someone else on 15 for NA soon, though.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 20, 2015, 06:19:17 AM
There is a nice opening to 15 meters right now (1244 UTC) but unless they specifically ask for NA -- as they did yesterday on 10 meters - most of us don't have a prayer of breaking through those close countries.

In an hour this path is going to be closed so I hope they remember us in NA.

73,

Chris  NU1O

I did manage to break through at 14:06 UTC on 15 and at around 13:00 they did start asking for "NA Only."  The problem was many Europeans kept calling and the Op was singling them out and giving them a lecture so I'm glad I made contact but the run rate had to be very low.  After he worked me he said he was going QRT for an hour so I was extremely lucky.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 20, 2015, 06:25:19 AM
An inexperienced op on 15 SSB this morning was completely overwhelmed. While he was trying to work NA, he was saying "no Europe" (instead of "North America"),

I really don't think his terminology made much of a difference.  Those EU stations would've called no matter what he said. 

I don't think it was a good idea to single out each offender by call and ask them if they were outside Europe.  That ate up a lot of time.

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 20, 2015, 06:32:22 AM
I thought they did a good job for NA on Tuesday...what was surprising to me was how quickly the bands took a dump, though.  I got in the station at 1300Z and signals from EP6T were good. By 1400Z they were down to whispers on 12CW.  They really focused on SSB, wish they would throw some more CW ops in there, I'm sure they will soon.  I made some high band Q's, but my 40M CW QSO from last night was not in the log today, so more work to do.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 20, 2015, 06:36:27 AM
I don't have a functioning microphone attached to the rig so I have to use my digital voice keyer for SSB... but so far I'm doing CW only.

I got an ATNO out of this one, that's honestly good enough for me. I'll try for a few more between family activities but it's not like Iran is totally off air.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 20, 2015, 06:38:19 AM
Did anyone in NA who worked "EP6T" on 40M CW Monday night, show up in the online log this morning?

I have a very strong feeling I am earning the WAS "Worked All Slims" award.

And I'm sure one of the two stations ID'ing on 30M as EP6T last night was a slim too. Maybe they both were!!!

I am starting to think that real EP6T had only one CW operator last night and he was on 80M.

I may be in the same boat as you, maybe I worked a slim, no show in log.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 20, 2015, 06:40:49 AM
I am laughing at all this school boy excitement and folly.  I said a few prayers to a higher being for the propagation to be horrible and the for the Europeans to QRM all of you. Appears to be working to some extent.  The lack of ethics in paying homage to a terrorist state by working those dupe European DXpeditioners is amazing.  Damn the ethics and make the contact without thinking about the political consequences and propaganda value for the Ayotollahs...Dr. Fard, Iranian government representative for this DXpedition will receive a medal from his government for manipulating mindless hams into a frenzy to bag this elusive entity.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 20, 2015, 06:47:07 AM
OK....moving on ..... 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 20, 2015, 06:52:30 AM

I did manage to break through at 14:06 UTC on 15 and at around 13:00 they did start asking for "NA Only."  The problem was many Europeans kept calling and the Op was singling them out and giving them a lecture so I'm glad I made contact but the run rate had to be very low.  After he worked me he said he was going QRT for an hour so I was extremely lucky.

73,

Chris  NU1O

That's exactly what they need to do, go QRT when is prime time for NA on 20/17m.  ::) He signal just started coming up on 20/17m when he decided to quit. Does this operation have a leadership with just a little bit of common sense? Hard to believe that this is happening.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 20, 2015, 06:55:30 AM
17M RTTY after a big LP opening yesterday ? Should be on SSB or CW.

I guess we don't have the plan ?

N5UD
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 20, 2015, 06:58:15 AM
Well that just proves it about limited NA QSO's, they switched to 20m CW and working EU during our 1 hour Left Coast window.

If I was still a member of INDEXA I would demand the donation back, not my donation but the complete donation.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 20, 2015, 07:02:03 AM
Ha...Ha...Ha....Ha....Ha....Ha...Little People....
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5MOA on January 20, 2015, 07:29:17 AM
20m cw SP, 17m ssb LP, both really weak but in the log.

No luck w/12m cw, 15m ssb. N0UN got through 15m ssb @1520.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2015, 07:33:01 AM
Actually he was quite loud here Jonathon, as good as he's ever been on 30m SP.  Then again I have a beam on 30m.   But obviously EU and JA were louder to him, so other than the occasional W1 or W2 no NA.

I didn't get home until 0300z.  By then all signals have faded.

For the western half of NA, we really need to be focusing on the morning LP.  He was quite loud on 20 and 17m a couple of days ago from around 1500 to 1600Z.  And 30m too, if we can get his attention before he turns to EU.  I'll bet the 40M path is there too, if only he was, and listening.

A local and my friend, KT0DX, got him on 20 and 17m on the morning of the 18th for his last one.

Many of the big guns in Colorado only had success on 17m and 20m.  On 30m and 40m it was a fruitless effort even with three element monobanders at 135'.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WA2VUY on January 20, 2015, 07:34:54 AM
I got through at 0254Z on 40M ssb, this was soon after they switched from cw to ssb (7083 qsx 7220-7225). Excellent signal....enormous pileup and I thought the op was handling it very well; a wider spread might make things go faster...

I was stationed in Tehran in 4Q, 1967, at the US Army's HF station, "AET". Still haven't found anyone that was there also, even google doesn't turn up anything.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 20, 2015, 07:45:37 AM
The question that the size of the pile-ups causes me to ask is, why is Iran so rare as to generate p-u's of this size? With the exception of Turkmenistan, none of the countries around EP are rare enough to justify a DXpedition.

Iran is not poverty stricken and there are native hams there...the fact that so many (myself included) need EP is surprising to me.

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 20, 2015, 07:57:58 AM
$10 for a QSL is why.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5BO on January 20, 2015, 08:01:52 AM
It looks like the latest upload my be incomplete because only 1694 more Q's were uploaded from a 23 hour period....at least I hope they made more than 1694 Q's in 23 hours!

Did anyone in NA who worked "EP6T" on 40M CW Monday night, show up in the online log this morning?

I have a very strong feeling I am earning the WAS "Worked All Slims" award.

And I'm sure one of the two stations ID'ing on 30M as EP6T last night was a slim too. Maybe they both were!!!

I am starting to think that real EP6T had only one CW operator last night and he was on 80M.

I may be in the same boat as you, maybe I worked a slim, no show in log.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 20, 2015, 08:04:01 AM
$10 for a QSL is why.

$10 to avoid these pileups seems very, very cheap indeed. I like a good pileup as much as anybody. These are not good pileups. :)

I have never heard Iran before this expedition. I just don't think they are very active. Or maybe they are just not loud. I looked in QRZ amd was surprised by how many licensed hams there are... although a tiny number for such a huge country. Kind of like if the US had 300 hams and only one or two were ever heard. It is intriguing.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N6PSE on January 20, 2015, 08:14:54 AM
When I met with EP3MIR and EP3SMH in October, they told me that there were 13 active hams in Iran.

Its as rare as it is for several reasons:

1) Much of their equipment is home brew and low power.
2) Most Iranian cities are high noise environments.
3) There is little room for big antennas. Most are using wires.
4) Outgoing postal rates are very high.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 20, 2015, 08:31:37 AM
$10 for a QSL is why.

$10 to avoid these pileups seems very, very cheap indeed. I like a good pileup as much as anybody. These are not good pileups. :)

I have never heard Iran before this expedition. I just don't think they are very active. Or maybe they are just not loud. I looked in QRZ amd was surprised by how many licensed hams there are... although a tiny number for such a huge country. Kind of like if the US had 300 hams and only one or two were ever heard. It is intriguing.

I worked one station, EP2FA a few years ago, I think it was in 2009. He never replied to my email inquiries for a QSL. I would have probably paid $10 for one if I had to.

Other than that I tried to work Mohsen to no avail. I was never home or near a computer (to remote in) when he was on. The few times he was on when I was near the radio, the EU wall was too thick to break through.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 20, 2015, 09:02:43 AM
According to their twitter tweet of 4 hours ago, they have solved the s5 noise level problem, they now have an s0 noise level,
They did not say on what band or bands the s5 level was. So we will see how this will play out for us. 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2015, 09:10:19 AM
According to their twitter tweet of 4 hours ago, they have solved the s5 noise level problem, they now have an s0 noise level,
They did not say on what band or bands the s5 level was. So we will see how this will play out for us. 

I think in the absence of the S5 noise they will be surprised at how weak our signals are, relative to the EU signals that is.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 20, 2015, 09:24:00 AM
I have worked another EP station in the past, but never have had it confirmed.  Two bands, but am not willing to pay what is effectively $25.00 to get a QSL card (one user wants registered mail + $10.00 + and IRC).

So, this one will substitute quite nicely.

In response to another post, I worked them from home - using a home brew 10-meter yagi. 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WB2KSP on January 20, 2015, 09:38:25 AM
I worked EP2ASZ in 1988. Thankfully his QSL manager in Italy still had his logs and qsl's. I received a confirmation for that contact a few years ago.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 20, 2015, 09:39:12 AM
one user wants registered mail + $10.00 + and IRC

Thats how I finally received my Phone QSL, I worked EP2MHB many moons ago and never received a card with 3 attempts registered.
Got lucky with EP3HF.  
International Postage is very high over there.
I checked the exchange rate from the stamps that where on the envelope and they came out to over nine dollars.
If you need it then get it. ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 20, 2015, 09:45:49 AM
I thought this expedition had said somewhere that one of their goals for this trip was to help encourage new native hams in Iran.  Or did I make that up?  I can't find it on their website.

It's amazing how just one very active station with a good manager can keep an entity off the most-wanted list.  3B9FR and S01WS are two recent examples that come to mind.  One operator in Iran who was on daily (or at least very frequently) with a US or EU manager could maybe do the same for EP.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 20, 2015, 09:53:03 AM
one user wants registered mail + $10.00 + and IRC

Thats how I finally received my Phone QSL, I worked EP2MHB many moons ago and never received a card with 3 attempts registered.
Got lucky with EP3HF.  
International Postage is very high over there.
I checked the exchange rate from the stamps that where on the envelope and they came out to over nine dollars.
If you need it then get it. ;D

Yah, the funny thing is that his rate went up substantially at one point.  I made two attempts when he wanted $3.00 including having a friend of mine send a QSL card from Amsterdam from his address - based on the theory that the Dutch are viewed with more favor than 'murkins. 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KU6J on January 20, 2015, 10:11:12 AM
I have EP2MKO in the log from back in 1999 (15m CW). It's another one of my never-bothered-to-QSL unconfirmed entities, which most of my worked-but-not-confirmed entities are (Note to self: must improve in the QSL-requesting department).

The way this DXPedition is going, I guess I better get my QSL request in the mail before someone becomes a SK. EP2MKO's QRZ.com page says QSL via UA6GG so I'm hopeful that it will be a no-hassle QSL, kind of like my 1988 Navassa card that Tony K2SG said will be on the way to me as soon as he replaces his printer...
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 20, 2015, 10:19:02 AM
Some of the banter here and questions about why there are so few hams in Iran seems naive.  Because the only way to get a license and buy equipment in Iran is to be directly connected to the slimy regime. Why else do you think that most here are so light headed with the prospect of 'bagging' this rare, exotic quary. One day the US (not this administration) will have to put it's foot down on Iran because of its nuclear ambitions.  With existing proof that Americans have died and been maimed as a direct result of Iran..many of you may feel ashamed that you supported this DXpedition and bolstered it's propaganda value simply to feed your greed for lousy contact points and certificates.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 20, 2015, 10:28:00 AM
For being one who really doesn't care about ham radio and what others do, you really are spun up like a top.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 20, 2015, 11:04:42 AM
No, I'm just acting as a reminder that amateurs oftimes use the premise of being apolitical (goowill and all that) as an excuse to interact with countries that are truly our enemies.  This DXpedition is public relations propaganda for the Iranian regime and partcipants are playing right into it. You may not agree because you don't care..that's all. I care and I voice my opinion here.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3QE on January 20, 2015, 11:13:06 AM
No, I'm just acting as a reminder that amateurs oftimes use the premise of being apolitical (goowill and all that) as an excuse to interact with countries that are truly our enemies.  This DXpedition is public relations propaganda for the Iranian regime and partcipants are playing right into it. You may not agree because you don't care..that's all. I care and I voice my opinion here.

I think you misunderestimate the good will of many in Iran, especially the well-educated professionals (very important to ham radio, and even more important to moderating extremist stances) there, in favor of increasing international commerce and social exchanges.

Iran has a huge population of remarkably well-educated and internationally aware upper-middle-class professionals over multiple generations. Doctors, professors, businessmen, you name it. Historically this is "prime ham territory". But the politics of just a handful in that country and the reactions from a few superpowers, are limiting so much that Iran could be contributing to the world.

Incidentally "increasing international commerce and social exchanges" with Iran seems to be decidedly against the plans of many in the US Congress. That is a shame.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 20, 2015, 11:28:31 AM
Log updated my one 17M contact is there :)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3QE on January 20, 2015, 11:30:51 AM
Did anyone in NA who worked "EP6T" on 40M CW Monday night, show up in the online log this morning?

I have a very strong feeling I am earning the WAS "Worked All Slims" award.

And I'm sure one of the two stations ID'ing on 30M as EP6T last night was a slim too. Maybe they both were!!!

I am starting to think that real EP6T had only one CW operator last night and he was on 80M.

I may be in the same boat as you, maybe I worked a slim, no show in log.

Look again, most recent log update, I'm in there with my 1 QSO on 40M CW, and AB3CX shows up with far far more!!!

So I guess that wasn't a slim!!!

Tim.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 20, 2015, 11:46:10 AM
Did anyone in NA who worked "EP6T" on 40M CW Monday night, show up in the online log this morning?

I have a very strong feeling I am earning the WAS "Worked All Slims" award.

And I'm sure one of the two stations ID'ing on 30M as EP6T last night was a slim too. Maybe they both were!!!

I am starting to think that real EP6T had only one CW operator last night and he was on 80M.

I may be in the same boat as you, maybe I worked a slim, no show in log.

Look again, most recent log update, I'm in there with my 1 QSO on 40M CW, and AB3CX shows up with far far more!!!

So I guess that wasn't a slim!!!

Tim.

That's a relief; I was going to try for a do over tonight.  Instead, will do my best for one on 80M.  Based on how good they sound here, it should be possible. The thing that made tracking his listening frequency so hard was the incessant calling in the USA even after a part call in EU was sent out.  Like all good pile up runners, the op stuck with his part calls until he got them completed or clearly said "nil".
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 20, 2015, 12:00:09 PM
Waiting on K1N...I initially said I only need one and not gonna kill myself fighting with some good ol' boys over a contact... they are 40 deg from my QTH and depending on band/power sets my ADT off. Luckily some are LP and no issues. Now Navassa is almost due South ;D No worries! I used 800W on my one 17M Q :) Like I said in a previous post, bring on Navassa!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 20, 2015, 12:09:08 PM

The thing that made tracking his listening frequency so hard was the incessant calling in the USA even after a part call in EU was sent out.  

Ugh, yep. I find it really hard to track his listening frequency with all the out of turn callers (and there are LOTS). I do my best to not be one of them if I can help it. Its easier if I run barefoot as I can go full QSK. I can't run full with my amp.

Lately I try to find a 'hole' and call... but that method is so slow.

I'll keep at it.. hopefully I'll make it through. I'll be happy with one QSO.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 20, 2015, 12:23:16 PM
Is anyone else hearing a loud, raspy broadband buzz extending across almost the entire 30 meter band?  If so, any idea what it is?

I've never heard it before.  It seems to drop out occasionally, no question it's manmade.  S9 in Tennessee.

From the horse's as mouth:
http://www.newsweek.com/four-long-range-russian-radar-installations-start-active-combat-duty-299651

Gene
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 20, 2015, 12:31:46 PM
Is anyone else hearing a loud, raspy broadband buzz extending across almost the entire 30 meter band?  If so, any idea what it is?

I've never heard it before.  It seems to drop out occasionally, no question it's manmade.  S9 in Tennessee.

From the horse's as mouth:
http://www.newsweek.com/four-long-range-russian-radar-installations-start-active-combat-duty-299651

Gene


Was that what was wiping out 30M last night?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 20, 2015, 12:42:06 PM
Was that what was wiping out 30M last night?

I seriously doubt it.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 20, 2015, 12:50:24 PM
My 40 is in there too. Woot!

I guess that's it for me unless I get 80 or 160. No way am I going to be around to work the high bands as I have work during the day.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 20, 2015, 12:54:22 PM
Was that what was wiping out 30M last night?

I seriously doubt it.

Curious what you think it was then.  It was powerful enough to effectively wipe out the band across the entire continent, was pulsed, had some sort of chirp to it, and stopped very suddenly.  Some sort of OTH radar seems like a good candidate.  Maybe not the system Gene linked to, which is supposedly VHF and up, but who knows.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 20, 2015, 01:14:03 PM
International Postage is very high over there.
I checked the exchange rate from the stamps that where on the envelope and they came out to over nine dollars.
If you need it then get it. ;D

The exchange rate info. you got from the web is wrong.  The U.S. dollar is worth far more on the black market (i.e. on the Iran street).  It costs about $5 to mail a registered letter from Iran to the U.S. using the 'real' rate.  Ever wonder why they always ask for one IRC + $10?  The IRC covers the entire postage and the $10 goes to, well you know where.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 20, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
International Postage is very high over there.
I checked the exchange rate from the stamps that where on the envelope and they came out to over nine dollars.
If you need it then get it. ;D

The exchange rate info. you got from the web is wrong.  The U.S. dollar is worth far more on the black market (i.e. on the Iran street).  It costs about $5 to mail a registered letter from Iran to the U.S. using the 'real' rate.  Ever wonder why they always ask for one IRC + $10?  The IRC covers the entire postage and the $10 goes to, well you know where.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Those 13 Iranian hams must all have very good connections with the regime or they wouldn't have a ticket.  You think they'd fool around with Black Market currency?



Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 20, 2015, 01:40:17 PM
N3QE ... I respect your thoughts sir.  I have a number of Iranian friends who migrated from there during various times.  Yes, they are able to travel back and forth to visit their families etc.  Yes, I agree that Iran is quite advanced and their people are well educated.  However, that does not remove the motives that their Ministry of Post/Commnications is providing for the regime in this propaganda that Iran is some open society to the international amateur radio community.  The reality is that the regular Iranian doesn't have a chance in hell of gaining an amateur radio license.  I look forward to the day when Iran's people are free from the Ayatollahs and the restrictions under which they live.  Until that day I would never dream of feeding their machine.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3MEG on January 20, 2015, 01:48:08 PM
well the Kaos is dying down getting easier to work them and hear them got them on 20m cw will check the log later today to confirm. hopefully they will listen outfor the 6 and 7's
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3QE on January 20, 2015, 01:50:39 PM
Was that what was wiping out 30M last night?

I seriously doubt it.

I thought my 60Hz utility line noise was back last night. What does the Russian Radar sound like, is it 60Hz or 120Hz rep rate? Maybe they can just aim their radar straight at the utility problems in my neighborhood and blow out those annoying intermittents :-)

Tim
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 20, 2015, 02:33:29 PM
I just checked into LoTW and my 10 meter contact with EP6T from yesterday morning has been verified.

Anybody else get a LoTW confirmation?

I made a contribution sometime last year. 

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 20, 2015, 02:35:10 PM
When I met with EP3MIR and EP3SMH in October, they told me that there were 13 active hams in Iran.

Its as rare as it is for several reasons:

1) Much of their equipment is home brew and low power.
2) Most Iranian cities are high noise environments.
3) There is little room for big antennas. Most are using wires.
4) Outgoing postal rates are very high.


And, we cannot even purchase an IRC at our local PO to meet the requirements of EP3HF.  Your total QSL cost would be your stamp, $10, IRC, plus the registered mail fee of about $20.  And my local PO told be they didn't know how to register the mail, anyway.  So work EP6T!!!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2LO on January 20, 2015, 02:42:42 PM
 I got my EP6T 15 and 17 meter QSOs also confirmed today via LOTW.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 20, 2015, 02:43:11 PM
I just checked into LoTW and my 10 meter contact with EP6T from yesterday morning has been verified.

Anybody else get a LoTW confirmation?

I made a contribution sometime last year. 

73,

Chris  NU1O



Mine for 40 is in there!  I have not donated yet either, so it looks like everybody gets a confirmation.  W00t.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 20, 2015, 02:47:14 PM
Yup. Just got my 30, 40 and 17 Qs confirmed on LoTW this afternoon!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6DXO on January 20, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
Well, there might be a lot that I'd like to see the EP6T guys do differently
but I commend them for their prompt LOTW uploads.

Seeing my confirmation today was sure a pleasant surprise.

73 de harry, W6DXO
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 20, 2015, 03:20:13 PM
 ;D ;D My 40m CW QSO of last evening is showing in the log! ;D ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 20, 2015, 05:46:59 PM
Got my one confirmed today, Can I hit it and quit? ;D

73'
Tom N3ZC
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 20, 2015, 06:05:49 PM
Congrats on everyone who received a confirmation.
I was in contact with ON9CFG this afternoon and gave him the heads up for the west coast times on 20m LP, so we shall see what happens.
He said not to worry (I'm not) more to come.
Still looking for first QSO and have only heard them once.

Henry

Congrats again guys!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 20, 2015, 06:27:53 PM
I got a late start tonight as I got stuck at work. He was on 30m calling CQ when I got downstairs but I don't think he was hearing much. He went QRT. He's on 40ssb but not hearing anything there.. and I don't think he's listening in the US portion either. I'll keep listening...
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 20, 2015, 06:39:26 PM
Got my 30 and 40 confirmed. Party time.

Too bad I made a LoTW app end of last year.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5PG on January 20, 2015, 06:43:06 PM
Good going guys.

A few local (DFW) big guns have managed a Q, I've yet to even hear them :(

73
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 20, 2015, 07:30:18 PM
I think I have to reconsider whetherspending more time on 80M CW is worth it.  Guys like W3BGN and dozens of other could not be heard. They have a terrific signal here; they must be dealing with that bad noise. Two hours flailing and chasing the last guy in EU worked to no avail.  I also listened for 60 minutes to their nice 40M SSB signal, but at no time did the op say he would be listening up on 7205....OK, that's my whine, GN.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 20, 2015, 08:23:04 PM
Yep they seem extremely deaf on 80. Probably not gonna make a Q with the vee.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5PG on January 20, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
Yep they seem extremely deaf on 80. Probably not gonna make a Q with the vee.

They claim to have solved their 80m QRM problem.
https://twitter.com/DX_World/status/557511224972566528 (https://twitter.com/DX_World/status/557511224972566528)

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 20, 2015, 09:21:42 PM
Yep they seem extremely deaf on 80. Probably not gonna make a Q with the vee.

They claim to have solved their 80m QRM problem.
https://twitter.com/DX_World/status/557511224972566528 (https://twitter.com/DX_World/status/557511224972566528)

They can claim whatever they want, but if they're not maximizing the 60-90 minutes a day for NA East (less for west) then it's moot. They are audible--barely--at their morning greyline in W2, but their rate is so poor that anything other than an array with gain and "1500" Watts won't get through without all the luck in the world.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AA6YQ on January 21, 2015, 12:21:30 AM
Yep they seem extremely deaf on 80. Probably not gonna make a Q with the vee.

They claim to have solved their 80m QRM problem.
https://twitter.com/DX_World/status/557511224972566528 (https://twitter.com/DX_World/status/557511224972566528)

They can claim whatever they want, but if they're not maximizing the 60-90 minutes a day for NA East (less for west) then it's moot. They are audible--barely--at their morning greyline in W2, but their rate is so poor that anything other than an array with gain and "1500" Watts won't get through without all the luck in the world.

I've been copying EP6T on 3503 from my sunset at 2200Z through 330Z. I suspect that their problem with NA on this band is a huge number of undisciplined callers with few callsigns copiable above the chaos, leading them to respond with partial callsigns and CQs. To increase their rate, they can either pick off full callsigns at the pileup edges, or reduce the pile by sequentially working call/geographic areas within NA.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VU2CDP on January 21, 2015, 03:24:17 AM

 ...a huge number of undisciplined callers with few callsigns copiable above the chaos, leading them to respond with partial callsigns and CQs...

I was in their 30m pileup last two evenings and the op was doing the same thing. He would pick 2 letters and send 5NN and after 2-3 tries, give up and send QRZ or a CQ. It only fuelled the chaos further.
EP is not a tough entity from VU but given the unruliness of the EU pileup, this one has been a real struggle. The ops appear to be overwhelmed at times and there is no clear operating pattern. They say JA and then work only JA! Asia is a huge continent but they were not taking anyone else. Also seemed oblivious to AF and OC during their openings. I would reckon the DQRM on those occasions was not emanating from EU alone.

I hope the EU frenzy dies down soon and everyone gets a fair shot.

73,
Deepak VU2CDP

PS: Their LoTW upload is appreciated but i am pessimistic. It will only generate bigger pileups if they operate every band mode, given how difficult EP has been to QSL. 10m RTTY was not really necessary IMHO.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 21, 2015, 04:44:15 AM
When is the best time for 15M from the East Coast?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 21, 2015, 04:59:33 AM
When is the best time for 15M from the East Coast?

I worked them at 1406Z yesterday.  The band started to open at around 1300Z and I was the last station he worked before saying he would QRX.  He never came back to 15 meters but his signal was strong at 1406 so I suspect they could've worked NA for possibly another hour.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 21, 2015, 05:09:09 AM
Congrats on everyone who received a confirmation.
I was in contact with ON9CFG this afternoon and gave him the heads up for the west coast times on 20m LP, so we shall see what happens.
He said not to worry (I'm not) more to come.
Still looking for first QSO and have only heard them once.

Henry

Congrats again guys!

Don't feel bad Henry...... I am still batting ZERO here in Florida. I have Iran confirmed, so not
in a panic mode, but I did send them a donation.... I ought to get a bandfill QSO. hi hi
I have been rather ill since Sunday and have not spent much time QRV. I think I can get em
though, eventually, as they have been workable/loud, especially on 40 and 30.
GL/73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 21, 2015, 05:18:50 AM
Don't feel bad Henry...... I am still batting ZERO here in Florida. I have Iran confirmed, so not
in a panic mode, but I did send them a donation.... I ought to get a bandfill QSO. hi hi
I have been rather ill since Sunday and have not spent much time QRV. I think I can get em
though, eventually, as they have been workable/loud, especially on 40 and 30.
GL/73, Gene AF3Y

Gene,
I hope you work them soon! Statistically, you are usually my gauge as to when I work them as I normally trail a day or so behind you  ;D  ;D  ;D

I'm guessing it will be 40 or 30 for me if I make it through.

I got up a little early this morning so I could clear some time to try to work them this morning but nothing much heard on the upper bands. 17m had a bunch of DQRM. I think he started calling for NA and tons of QRM'ers were sending NO NA NO NA NO NA... lovely.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 21, 2015, 06:26:28 AM
I found them to be the loudest on 17M about 7:30 to 9 AM local time East Coast. 2 weeks till K1N !!! ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9XX on January 21, 2015, 06:44:25 AM
Hate to say it.
 But looking forward to going back to work. This had to be the biggest waste of time.

One more. Bring  on K1N.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2015, 06:52:54 AM
Truly a lost cause

Andrew, I hope you feel better, I don't need them either.  A band fill would be nice.  I'm seeing a pattern of the newer dxpeditions not doing
their homework on propagation and using crap prediction software.  I don't even think they turn their hexbeams.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WA2VUY on January 21, 2015, 07:20:50 AM
I really wonder what's going on in the world of dx....

Last night on 40M ssb with EP listening for NA:

1) the operator changed his listening frequency to 7235 from 7215, he would frequently announce the new listening frequency. There were still tons of people calling on 7215. I'm trying to understand why call a station you can't hear???

2) it's terrible how many out of turn callers there are. Due to incessant callers I heard K8CW take about 2 minutes to complete his qso; the EP op first got it as K8BW but with the incessant callers he mixed it up a few times before he got it right. Don't people understand it slows everything down?

Among the news from EP this morning: "We are constant aware of the unbalanced amount of “EU-NA-VK-AS” QSO’s. We do our best do bend this fact but 10 days is perhaps to less time to satisfy everybody. We are trying to call for certain area’s, but are not always have the control on the hard to find “HAM spirit”. Jammers, calling with fake calls and disrespecting the operators, sending disgraceful emails and calling us names is sometimes to much for us. PLEASE A LITTLE MORE RESPECT is needed."


Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 21, 2015, 07:46:12 AM
Yep, I saw it on the website... what a bomb.

I hope they enjoy Navassa too, because you know courteous and skilled ops from NA will stand by and give EU a fair shot.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2015, 08:14:33 AM
I wonder how their number 1 Sponsor, NCDXF is feeling right now, only 10 qso's with members.  I feel there might just be refund requested.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 21, 2015, 08:45:10 AM
Look at this list of donors.

http://rockall.be/index.php/sponsors

Pretty much dominated by NA.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K5PS on January 21, 2015, 08:46:13 AM
Still hoping for an ATNO, although my chances are very slim.

From what I've seen and heard concerning K1N, it should work out better for everyone. No leaderboard. Several bands will operate only a single mode. A 24/7 presence on 20m.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 21, 2015, 08:52:27 AM
I wonder how their number 1 Sponsor, NCDXF is feeling right now, only 10 qso's with members.  I feel there might just be refund requested.

Does anybody ever really ask for a refund?  Seems to me not in the ham spirit.  But I do wonder if this group will get funding in the future.  If I were on a committee making the decision, based on what I've seen so far it would be an easy call.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 21, 2015, 08:59:27 AM
I doubt there'll be any refund. Not that I'd want that anyway.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 21, 2015, 09:14:15 AM
I doubt there'll be any refund. Not that I'd want that anyway.

Where are those numbers about 10 NCDXF members working them coming from?  Did they survey their members?

I donated and although I have worked them on two bands I feel this team hasn't given those in my country a fair shot.

I had a decent copy on them on 20 meters until a few minutes ago but they were content to work more Europeans.  They needed to specifically call for NA but for some reason they did not.

If I could get a refund I'd take it, or I'd reduce the donation by 80%.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU4B on January 21, 2015, 09:30:06 AM
"We are constant aware of the unbalanced amount of “EU-NA-VK-AS” QSO’s. We do our best do bend this fact but 10 days is perhaps to less time to satisfy everybody. We are trying to call for certain area’s, but are not always have the control on the hard to find “HAM spirit”. Jammers, calling with fake calls and disrespecting the operators, sending disgraceful emails and calling us names is sometimes to much for us. PLEASE A LITTLE MORE RESPECT is needed."

In lieu of a QSO, we can now purchase a nice souvenir T-shirt.  ;D ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 21, 2015, 09:47:36 AM
This is also part of their news report:

Today we had a visit of the Iranian press TV. They made a report and will be transmitted on the air tonight. We seem to be famous people over here, hihi.

I wouldn't advise them to start practicing their autographs until the report is actually shown on Iranian TV, and even if it airs there may not be too many requests.  :(

I think I'm going to pass on the T-shirt.

73, 

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 21, 2015, 10:11:40 AM
Still hoping for an ATNO, although my chances are very slim.

From what I've seen and heard concerning K1N, it should work out better for everyone. No leaderboard. Several bands will operate only a single mode. A 24/7 presence on 20m.

I'd love to see that as a model for dxpeditions, especially the more "wanted" ones.

I'm still hopeful for the ATNO as well. I will keep trying til the bitter end if I need to. I refuse to give up hope!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 21, 2015, 10:12:56 AM
I don't know how many saw me on cluster posting about 40M  Tues night ?
They were coming in here Q5 most of the evening. Yet working 5-10 up or other words EU !
 0100Z - 0445Z S7-S8 nearly the entire time. That's on my screwdriver mounted to the pickup.

30M last night was nowhere near as good as Sunday. Monday was puny too. Still it was S5 and he had a  NA pileup. Yet could not hear us calling. CQ after CQ.

OK now for 80M. Yep I could hear them on that band too. Me calling from the mobile against all of those 80M kilowatts was a bit futile seeing as how he could not pickup calls.

Something wrong on their receive. Then something wrong on the 40M decision.

20M was a complete bust at sundown, as was all upper bands.

This morning I managed the mobile QSO on 20M SSB. Signal was S6. He did call for W6 etc. I quit after my Q which was just before 1400Z. Surely some besides N6PSE got through later.
All other bands were a bust except after 1400Z I could hear EP just above noise on LP 40M. That LP was too late for me this far east. Some west coast ops were fussing about EP being death. I fear they are at times below 14 Mhz.

I was on the Gulf Coast beach. Was 40M possibly LP ? I could not hear the EU callers/QSOs, just the EP. EP was obviously beaming SP. If I heard the LP ? How much louder could they have been shooting LP to NA on 40M ?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 21, 2015, 10:15:09 AM
OK I meant DEAF, ........
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6DXO on January 21, 2015, 10:21:32 AM
I'm not there operating however the stats tell a grim story with barely 8% of their contacts
coming from NA.

The VK / ZL folks are almost nonexistent.

Perhaps the day is coming when the big DXpedition donors reserve payments until they
see that DXpedition Q stats match stated objectives. 

73 de harry, W6DXO
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 21, 2015, 10:25:20 AM
Still hoping for an ATNO, although my chances are very slim.

From what I've seen and heard concerning K1N, it should work out better for everyone. No leaderboard. Several bands will operate only a single mode. A 24/7 presence on 20m.

Unfortunately, the lack of a leaderboard isn't going to stop the greenie chasers.

However, they aren't operating every mode on every band, which is a good start. Ideally one this rare needs to prioritize uniques and only when they're "begging" should those who want an extra QSO even on different bands get it.

But it will work out better for NA since it will have 24x7 propagation to NA so there's always an opportunity.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 21, 2015, 10:32:47 AM
I don't know how many saw me on cluster posting about 40M  Tues night ?
They were coming in here Q5 most of the evening. Yet working 5-10 up or other words EU !
 0100Z - 0445Z S7-S8 nearly the entire time. That's on my screwdriver mounted to the pickup.

30M last night was nowhere near as good as Sunday. Monday was puny too. Still it was S5 and he had a  NA pileup. Yet could not hear us calling. CQ after CQ.


Yup, I saw the postings last night regarding 40m.. they stayed with the 5-10up the whole time. I could hear them ok on my dipole as well. I also noticed sigs weren't too great on 30m as well. They weren't hearing much on 30.. they called CQ a fair bit before QSY'ing.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9XX on January 21, 2015, 11:02:34 AM
We must be in the Black hole. Have not heard them any better than 53 and that was on 12 and 17m . I spent about 12 hrs listening on the bands. They were 519 on 40 cw at best on 40. Lite 0n 30  and a dribble on 80. I don't need them on 10,15,20.  Rtty would have been nice.

I also noticed when I heard them on 12 or 17 with in 1/2 to 45 min they were gone.

I have a 3 ele on 6-20 at 50 ft. rotatable 40m dipole and wires on 30 ,80,160 and amp 1kw.

I have worked all except navassa.  The only country that might have had a smaller signal would e scarborough  Reef. But I worked them even when they were running 2-60 up and less hours than this one.

 I was thinking about getting  a Hex beam after hearing so many when operating W1AW last year. But now I will stick with my Battleship Mosley until I leave the hobby or earth.

Ok my whining is done and ready for Navassa. Bring on a real Dxpendition..........................
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WB3BEL on January 21, 2015, 11:17:22 AM
I would not be too harsh on these guys.  At least they are there handing out some QSOs and I believe they are trying their hardest.
It's pretty easy to make judgements, but you are not wearing their headphones.

I think that folks could give them some constructive criticism that would help.  Since the ops are European they understand the propagation from that perspective.  Some feedback on what bands are open when to different parts of NA/SA is useful feedback.

I think that they still have really severe noise problems or maybe there are problems with some of their antenna systems or both.
I hear them pretty loud sometimes especially on 80m and they just don't hear some killer big NA stations and CQ or get partial calls. I am not talking about some loud low band stations.  I am talking about some of the biggest and loudest on the east coast don't get through. Some of this might be due to QRM from non-stop callers, but I don't think it explains what is going on.  They resort to working Eu when they can't hear other signals.  This might mean they miss some workeable NA stations when prop gets favorable but I think they might be thinking lets clear the decks of these EU strong sigs so that later some more NA can get through.  Maybe conditions won't get better later and maybe there will be a never-ending stream of EU.  

At my QTH 80m signals are best right at NA sunset.  Sometimes they are quite strong.  They are working JA.  But maybe if they switch the RX antenna to NA all they hear is noise and EU and the Q rate would go in the dumpster.  I think the low bands are a long shot for many DXers given the apparent situation.  Even 40m and 30m seem to have low Q rates and plagued by noise on their side.

There is still some time left and I think that most east coasters will have better success on the high bands like 12m, 15m, 17m.  If you have a directional antenna on these bands and some QRO and DXing skills I think you have a good chance to make a contact with this team if you are persistent and don't have a day job.  Keep the faith!

Also I think that this DXpedition may open doors for other operations in the future.  There can't really be a big downside if there are folks there trying to make contacts.  

So I understand that folks are disappointed because they thought this would be easier, but you are not buying a QSO with your donation.  You are helping get the team there so that you have a lottery ticket.  Maybe you could do it better, and maybe you will have a chance to prove it, but for now you should be happy that there is a ghost of a chance to make a QSO with this Iran DXpedition.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2015, 11:38:21 AM
Feedback has been given, myself 3 different times 3 different hams advising them on west coast openings and as we see the result falls short.

The 10 ops information came from one of their members.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9XX on January 21, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
I really don't understand the noise level as I am not there.  I am not dxepedtioner either as I could not afford to go there with job and family here.

 But I did hear them on 40 cw this morning long path. At the time I decided to stick with the 17m ssb because the pileup  from the west coast was big to jump. But they were not there long either and jumped to ssb soon after.
17m op was good until he started calling NA. He went from 53 to 41 in one call and gone soon after. I really don't think they understand propagation from that area. It been what 5 days and I see the same pattern.

Mohsen Ep3?  what ever his call was  working rtty was louder over the year on 15m but with the same amount of time before he faded.Of course conditions were different. He ran 100 watts I think also. I still could not work him with the pileup. He will still have a pileup when he is back on.

I don't think I have a chance to get a band fill here as back to work tomorrow.

But I didn't need them for ATNO. But again I expected better signals. I guess after 20 plus years I should stop expecting great signals out of every dx operation.



Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 21, 2015, 12:24:20 PM
Guys you do understand your donation isn't payment for QSO's it to help the team to actually run the expedition,

All this looking for refunds and so on stinks of sour grapes,

Not been easy here in NW EU I've seen lots complaining there gone to NA only when it's our window,

The few pile ups I've listened to have been mental some of the worst ever,

I'm afraid of what K1N is going to be like if something like EP is this mental,

Give they guys a chance still a good while to go, I don't know much about the team but this is a different kettle of fish that your run of the mill IOTA trip maybe it's more than they expected,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5INP on January 21, 2015, 12:39:59 PM
The few pile ups I've listened to have been mental some of the worst ever,

I'm kinda glad now I can't hear them at all, prolly saving me a lot of exasperation.  :D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 21, 2015, 12:44:09 PM
I can confirm that last night on 40M at 04:00Z they had a 57 signal.  The EU wall was impossible to break in, it sounded like a constant wail that almost never ceased.  The OP was having a hard time picking people out of it, he would take about a minute to find and log each person.  I have no idea why they did not try for NA when they knew it was open.  I kind of suspect that they are overwhelmed with size of the pileups.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 21, 2015, 12:52:55 PM
Guys you do understand your donation isn't payment for QSO's it to help the team to actually run the expedition,

All this looking for refunds and so on stinks of sour grapes,

Not been easy here in NW EU I've seen lots complaining there gone to NA only when it's our window,

The few pile ups I've listened to have been mental some of the worst ever,

I'm afraid of what K1N is going to be like if something like EP is this mental,

Give they guys a chance still a good while to go, I don't know much about the team but this is a different kettle of fish that your run of the mill IOTA trip maybe it's more than they expected,

Trevor
EI2GLB

Trevor while I agree with most of what you have said. I think the statement
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Not been easy here in NW EU I've seen lots complaining there gone to NA only when it's our window

You guys have a window that almost 24 hours per day, all you need to do is change bands as the day goes on and you can work them on all the bands.  For people in NA it's rare to hear them and when we do it's small 30min to 1 hour openings and they happen at the tail end of periods that you EU guys have just finished 4-5 hours of opening on that band.

Sorry but I don't think there is any comparison of your problems versus ours.

73s
Rob
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 21, 2015, 01:11:12 PM
Guys you do understand your donation isn't payment for QSO's it to help the team to actually run the expedition,


It isn't payment for QSOs but the donation is with the expectation that we'd get some benefit. This isn't like the red cross where you donate to help others. You donate because you want to help them get on the air so maybe you'll get one or more QSOs.

Think of it like kickstarter.

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Not been easy here in NW EU I've seen lots complaining there gone to NA only when it's our window,

I guess some of these people don't understand propagation. When it is S9 in EU it may be just a 1 hour window for NA. EU has tons more opportunities to work them. We have a limited window.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 21, 2015, 01:25:00 PM
EU is a big place I don't have anywhere near the prop southern EU has,

I've said this many times before, compare how someone in upper VE6 or VE7 against someone in FL that's how it's for us here,

But I'm not complaining I have made a couple of QSO's with them and hopefully I'll get a few more before the leave,

Good luck to everyone,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 21, 2015, 01:29:03 PM
EU is a big place I don't have anywhere near the prop southern EU has,

I've said this many times before, compare how someone in upper VE6 or VE7 against someone in FL that's how it's for us here,

But I'm not complaining I have made a couple of QSO's with them and hopefully I'll get a few more before the leave,

Good luck to everyone,

Trevor
EI2GLB

Thats the thing about it Trevor.  Most of the Hams in the EU who are DXers have made a couple of contacts where as in NA and many other places 95% of DXers have made no contacts!

As of today 72.3% of contacts are EU.  Only 7.9% NA and 1.3% SA.
Out of those 7.9% or (2546) of NA contacts I bet only 800 of them are unique.

I am not blaming you but just pointing out that's why people are frustrated.

73s
Rob
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 21, 2015, 01:30:12 PM
I make upfront donations with only the expectation of being given a FAIR shot at a QSO.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 21, 2015, 01:33:23 PM
EU is a big place I don't have anywhere near the prop southern EU has,


Don't blame Southern Europe.  Southern Europe is not dominating the board.

Some of the Russians have made their 21st contact!

I'd love to know how much those 100 so-called leaders will donate to the team.  

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 21, 2015, 01:47:54 PM
Yep, I saw it on the website... what a bomb.

I hope they enjoy Navassa too, because you know courteous and skilled ops from NA will stand by and give EU a fair shot.

Sure ;D

Same consideration I got ::) with the same 1.5KW
 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KA1J on January 21, 2015, 02:05:14 PM
I make upfront donations with only the expectation of being given a FAIR shot at a QSO.

Absolutely. To expect anything for a donation to a DXpedetion is ostentatious.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N7SMI on January 21, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
Some of the Russians have made their 21st contact!

To give you an idea, the top 100 EU stations have 1775 QSOs whereas there are only 2546 QSOs for all of NA.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 21, 2015, 02:20:56 PM
Some of the Russians have made their 21st contact!

To give you an idea, the top 100 EU stations have 1775 QSOs whereas there are only 2546 QSOs for all of NA.

I make upfront donations with only the expectation of being given a FAIR shot at a QSO.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6DXO on January 21, 2015, 03:12:01 PM
Hey,

As a member of the Rockall DX group, often called the dream team  ;D, I confirm we will listen and have special attention for the hams in the midwest & westcoast. Also VK/ZL will have our attention. Like our operation in 9U4U we will have a dedicated station on the lowbands during your and our greyline. As mentioned in an earlier post, 20M will be the money band, we will make sure everybody can make at least one QSO.

You'll find the latest news here:
twitter : RockallDX
facebook : Rockall DX Group

Our website will be launched very soon, http://www.rockall.be

CU down the log
Frank, ON7RU - operator EP6T


This was a noble idea...just looks like it's not playing out in practice.

73 de harry, W6DXO
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 21, 2015, 03:44:20 PM
Quid Pro Quo I say.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 21, 2015, 03:49:25 PM
Some of the Russians have made their 21st contact!

To give you an idea, the top 100 EU stations have 1775 QSOs whereas there are only 2546 QSOs for all of NA.

Wow that is 17 QSO's each !
Do we have many DX hogs over here ?

After many hours and great effort...I have ONE
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K2DFC on January 21, 2015, 04:06:50 PM
I would be happy with just one QSO. But I rarely even hear them. According to the stats they only have about 2500 NA q's in the log. And after 6 days they don't seem to be making any effort to change that.
K2DFC
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 21, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
They were weak and calling for NA only this afternoon. I called for an hour before they faded or went QRT.

The frustrating thing was, if they caught a partial, and it turned out to be in Europe, they would log it!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VE3PP on January 21, 2015, 04:14:59 PM
I would be happy with just one QSO. But I rarely even hear them. According to the stats they only have about 2500 NA q's in the log. And after 6 days they don't seem to be making any effort to change that.
K2DFC

I know I will get flamed for making this statement but here goes!

If you have them in the log on one band, that is good enough for the DXCC count.

Why not leave the other bands to others who want that DXCC confirmation? After all you only need one confirmation for the DXCC entity. That way you give someone else a shot at them on a band they can copy them on. Remember the little guys are out there and they would like to work them too.

Just a thought, and I am not chasing them as I am not worried about working every country in the world! Small antenna farm dictates that fact.

I know some guys want to work them on all bands just to say they did it. But really is it required?

Ok flame away!  ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4CR on January 21, 2015, 04:22:46 PM
I'm wondering why, faced by a giant mush of signals, they don't start going 'by the numbers' for NA. I've been listening to the pile up and it is truly horrendous on every band. I can only imagine that I'd have my RX narrowed down to about 100 hz and be creeping up the band, but the massive pile up seems daunting to them.

I do wonder how the pervasive 'auto repeat' callers ever hear their own call so they can answer. Well, I guess we know the answer to that, huh?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AA6YQ on January 21, 2015, 04:46:54 PM
I would be happy with just one QSO. But I rarely even hear them. According to the stats they only have about 2500 NA q's in the log. And after 6 days they don't seem to be making any effort to change that.
K2DFC

I know I will get flamed for making this statement but here goes!

If you have them in the log on one band, that is good enough for the DXCC count.

Why not leave the other bands to others who want that DXCC confirmation?
 

Because "Mixed DXCC" isn't the only award avidly pursued by DXers.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 21, 2015, 05:18:34 PM
He's right. I've got Phone, Mixed, some want all bands, all modes.





 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2015, 06:12:45 PM
I do Phone(336), CW(332) and Mixed(339) with just playing around with RTTY(177), bands I don't care but I have 320
 confirmed on 20m with many easy ones but not really interested in chasing it. 
In the old days before the internet most of use where happy with a SSB qso and a CW qso and an insurance contact, done.
Then later you start filling bands and it just goes on and on.
So everyone is a bit different.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 21, 2015, 06:30:20 PM
Wow what a zoo of QRMers on 7.083
Funny part is that EP is louder than the half dozen QRMers.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 21, 2015, 06:54:37 PM
Wow what a zoo of QRMers on 7.083
Funny part is that EP is louder than the half dozen QRMers.

Ugh, yep I'm in that mess trying to work him. I thought maybe I heard my suffix but I think he moved on because of all the other folks calling over top. QSO rate is painfully slow, probably from all the callers when he asks for a KB2 and everything but a KB2 calls.  ::)

Edit.. and the occasional winlink at S9 is not helping. What the heck are they downloading??! EP6T is starting to fade for the night so I think its on to another day. I'm guessing about 15-20 hours trying so far this week.. probably many more to go at this rate.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 21, 2015, 07:12:30 PM
He is still there at 03:11Z and his signal is now 59+ with about 4 stations with craptastic S6 signals trying to QRM him.  If it was not such an important entity for so many hams it would be funny.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 21, 2015, 07:23:37 PM

If you have them in the log on one band, that is good enough for the DXCC count.

Dave, AA6YQ, hit the nail on the head.  For me, mixed DXCC is ancient history.  I'm persuing other DXCC awards.  What should I do, in your opinion?  Quit DXing?  Not work rare countries?  Be content with working DLs and Gs on Sunday afternoon?  Never get in a pileup because someone calling could need the DX for an ATNO?  Somebody, somewhere probably still needs Japan...or Canada.

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Why not leave the other bands to others who want that DXCC confirmation? After all you only need one confirmation for the DXCC entity. That way you give someone else a shot at them on a band they can copy them on. Remember the little guys are out there and they would like to work them too.

We all want to work DX for our own reason.  What makes someone else's desire more valid than mine or the next guy's?  I'm a little tired of hearing it said (or implied) that people that want a contact for an ATNO are somehow "more deserving" of a QSO than anyone else.  Some guys need a new mode or band.  This isn't any less valid than an ATNO.  I'm also a little tired of the assumption that someone making a QSO (for whatever reason) somehow automatically deprives another from doing so.  If I make a contact with an expedition, I won't call again on that band or mode.  That makes for a smaller pileup later and gives some else a chance.  People don't go on DXpeditions to not make contacts.

DXing is competitive.  Some folks object to that.  For others, that's what make it fun.  Whatever your take, know that is the fact.  If you can't stand to lose a few, then this isn't your niche in the hobby.  Lots of people contest too, but few win.  In DXing, if you lose too many, then you had better start looking at your operation...technique, equipment, skill...and figure out what you're doing wrong.  We've been blessed with some very competent DXpeditons lately.  This one has presented a real challenge.  There are going to be some losers.  Maybe some reflection on how you're going about it is in order.

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I am not worried about working every country in the world!

Good for you, but don't project you mindset on others.  Some of us care very much about working 'em all.  You won't have any regrets about missing this one since you really don't care.

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I know some guys want to work them on all bands just to say they did it. But really is it required?

All that's required is death and taxes.  Everything else is optional.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 21, 2015, 07:28:12 PM
I still need them on 10, 12 and 15, plus RTTY (and 80/160). I had worked Sadegh on 10m and Moshen on 15m plus RTTY, but I wanted to see if I could get those needs filled via EP6T. If I don't get the EP6T team on those bands/mode then the funds that I'd allocated to getting EP confirmed on 3 modes and as many bands as possible will just have to go towards getting known-good and needed QSOs confirmed instead.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 21, 2015, 07:55:28 PM
If you have them in the log on one band, that is good enough for the DXCC count...
Why not leave the other bands to others who want that DXCC confirmation?

I'm with you.
Guys want their 1 QSO CW, 1 SSB, 1 RTTY that is fine. I think any more is just selfish. Especially when so many are begging for just ONE QSO.

Like you, I am entitled to my opinion.

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 21, 2015, 08:22:53 PM
No luck on 40.. when there wasn't qrm they had a good readable signal but now they are starting to fade.. put a good 2-3 hours in tonight (got a late start). Tomorrow and the rest of the weekend should have a lot more time to put in to this...

Just one QSO is all I'm hoping for..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 21, 2015, 08:37:42 PM
I just have to laugh reading the EU posts, like why NA? or wking NA $$$, I have this feeling that many NA operators will work K1N on every band, mode and toad stool
for pay back.  
I was listening to them on 40m on a SWL receiver in Europe tonight and in the other ear listening and tuning the split, it just amazes me how many idiots there are.
I can understand yelling your call at the same time that the DX is going back to someone else, it happens, timing, that's another topic, but my point is when the Dx goes
back to a partial call like 3AN , I heard all sorts of other calls that had nothing in common, it was constant.
So, who's at fault here?

You really want to see the west coast go nuts, watch them go to RTTY for EU during the 1 hour opening in the morning.

Hopefully on the bright side this has opened the door to more dxpeditions from EP.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 21, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
It may be cold comfort, but I am much more appreciative now of the efforts many recent DXpeditions have made to work North America.  You don't know what you have until you don't have it anymore.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 21, 2015, 08:44:17 PM
He's right. I've got Phone, Mixed, some want all bands, all modes.


Once per band and once per mode I can understand. People who work all bands all modes are a bit greedy, IMO. If they do it close to the end when they are begging, fine, but I know people who want to bang out all of them as early as possible. That's kind of selfish and even a bit rude because you push out people who want an ATNO.

The reason I say this is that beyond once per band and once per mode (regardless of band) there is really no valid awards purpose in the DXCC program.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 21, 2015, 08:48:26 PM
If you have them in the log on one band, that is good enough for the DXCC count...
Why not leave the other bands to others who want that DXCC confirmation?

I'm with you.
Guys want their 1 QSO CW, 1 SSB, 1 RTTY that is fine. I think any more is just selfish. Especially when so many are begging for just ONE QSO.

Like you, I am entitled to my opinion.

paul

Just curious, Paul.  Why do you think DXpeditions put more than one band on the air?  Wouldn't taking just a 20m monobander and one rig simplify packing and travel?  Working only one band sure would cut the pileups down in a hurry too.

Why did the team of EP6T say they would focus on low band for NA?  (Even if it hasn't exactly come to pass.)  Do you think guys chasing them on 80 and 160 are looking for ATNOs?  Could happen, I suppose.  Do you think the team expects every QSO on a different band to be a unique?

Let's see, 12 and 10 meters are a washout for me.  EP6T leaves those bands before it's even light here.  160 is impossible and more and more it looks like 80 is a no go too.  When the east coast is reporting "loud" on 80, there's not a whisper here.  I might get lucky and catch a 40m LP opening, but I'm not holding my breath.  30m LP is still a possibility, but it looks like the EP6T team isn't interested in exploiting that one despite my being able to copy them there several days in a row in my morning.  SP on 30 from Colorado is a joke with the east coast, JA and EU all calling.  Oh, and just for the record, I almost never get in an SSB or RTTY pileup, where probably 80% of the newbies seeking ATNOs are.  Tell me again about being selfish.

@N2RJ

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Once per band and once per mode I can understand. People who work all bands all modes are a bit greedy, IMO. If they do it close to the end when they are begging, fine, but I know people who want to bang out all of them as early as possible. That's kind of selfish and even a bit rude because you push out people who want an ATNO.

The reason I say this is that beyond once per band and once per mode (regardless of band) there is really no valid awards purpose in the DXCC program.

Agree.  Good post.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4OGW on January 21, 2015, 08:52:31 PM
I got through on 80 and 20 this evening. They may have fixed their rx problems on 80, they were working NA at a good clip around their sunrise.

Tor
N4OGW/5
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2015, 09:04:16 PM
SP on 30 from Colorado is a joke with the east coast, JA and EU all calling.

SP on ANY band from Colorado is a joke.  Ask me how I know.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 21, 2015, 09:11:40 PM
I've been working some nice DX lately, just not EP6T :D  It was a good distraction from the EP6T mess.  I picked up these new band fills on LoTW.  There's challenge and reward outside of EP6T ;D

Call sign Worked Date/Time Band Mode Freq QSL
Details W6GX TZ6BB 2015-01-21 22:49:37 20M CW 14.03400 MALI
Details W6GX EY8MM 2015-01-19 02:19:35 30M CW 10.11200 TAJIKISTAN
Details W6GX A4/W3JK 2015-01-18 03:12:53 40M SSB 7.14800 OMAN
Details W6GX C5X 2015-01-18 15:32:35 15M CW 21.01120 THE GAMBIA

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AA6YQ on January 21, 2015, 09:30:53 PM
If you have them in the log on one band, that is good enough for the DXCC count...
Why not leave the other bands to others who want that DXCC confirmation?

I'm with you.
Guys want their 1 QSO CW, 1 SSB, 1 RTTY that is fine. I think any more is just selfish. Especially when so many are begging for just ONE QSO.

Like you, I am entitled to my opinion.

So pursuing 5-band DXCC or 20m Honor Roll or DXCC Challenge is selfish?  Where are the stone tablets upon which the list of non-selfish DXing awards are inscribed?

If we arranged for the entire world to stand by so you could work an ATNO, would you feel as good about that accomplishment as you would if you'd made the QSO by exploiting advantageous propagation and by rapidly locating the DX station's likely next listening frequency in a pileup?

In my opinion, the knowledge, skills, and determination required to make a QSO with a sought-after DX station are fundamental to DXing.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5PG on January 21, 2015, 10:48:29 PM
 

In my opinion, the knowledge, skills, and determination required to make a QSO with a sought-after DX station are fundamental to DXing.

That's it  ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 22, 2015, 01:07:16 AM
Putting aside the first few days it is obvious that they are making a concerted effort for the last two days to work NA and the results are mostly a few more bands added to mostly people who are already in the log. The fact that needs to be faced is that this is not a medium size station event much less QRP, or one suited for anything less than a very good skilled operator with good equipment, anything less is just pot luck if you get through.

  i have listened to enough little pistols Hoping for a break and finding none.  Honestly I don't think they would hear most of the callers even if you had the freq to yourself.

This expedition has been no surprise to me, I. have three P5 contacts confirmed and all three were weak signals and difficult to make. So IMO if people have the skills and equipment to do some band fills then go for it! 

Rob
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 22, 2015, 03:33:43 AM
 

In my opinion, the knowledge, skills, and determination required to make a QSO with a sought-after DX station are fundamental to DXing.

That's it  ;D

All rare expensive DXpeditions should cease soliciting upfront funding, and just start charging $10 at the back end per ANY confirmation desired.  That way, everybody in every region can chase what QSOs and awards they choose, and the small stations looking for their single QSO wouldn't have to subsidize the ops wanting 27 slots.  Fair to everybody.  :P
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9XX on January 22, 2015, 03:41:51 AM


I've been working some nice DX lately, just not EP6T Cheesy  It was a good distraction from the EP6T mess. 
 
Hey Jonathan

 Yes me to. Working P5DX and BS7H on 160 and 80 with now one around.Easy stuff
Oh that was recliner snoozing dx.Damn  Does that count for DXCC?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU4B on January 22, 2015, 04:30:27 AM
Hey,

As a member of the Rockall DX group, often called the dream team  ;D, I confirm we will listen and have special attention for the hams in the midwest & westcoast. Also VK/ZL will have our attention. Like our operation in 9U4U we will have a dedicated station on the lowbands during your and our greyline. As mentioned in an earlier post, 20M will be the money band, we will make sure everybody can make at least one QSO.

You'll find the latest news here:
twitter : RockallDX
facebook : Rockall DX Group

Our website will be launched very soon, http://www.rockall.be

CU down the log
Frank, ON7RU - operator EP6T


This was a noble idea...just looks like it's not playing out in practice.

73 de harry, W6DXO

Latest update:

Quote
We cant work all of you in this short time but we will keep doing our best.

Please remember that this project is a start for all new radio amateurs in Iran, promoting ham radio is our main
goal, so in the future, contacts with EP will be guaranteed.

 

73's from the EP6T team

Maybe they should have started here, instead of "we will make sure everybody can make at least one QSO".

Fortunately (for my own sanity) I didn't count on this one......T-shirts still available! hahaha
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 22, 2015, 05:24:17 AM
Great op on 15M SSB now. NA only and sticking to his guns, plus they are loud
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 22, 2015, 05:30:28 AM
Yup, I'm trying there now... though I heard him come back to a KB2 but some QSB took his signal out. grr..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 22, 2015, 05:40:29 AM
Same thing with me. I use "November 3 Zulu Charlie" and I got a "November 3?" I shot back with "November 3 Zulu Charlie you're 59" and some QRM covered up his confirmation. So I left it like that. I wasn't going to visit Lidsville with another attempt. I'll find out when I check the updated log. Not that important to me :)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 22, 2015, 06:09:47 AM
Same thing with me. I use "November 3 Zulu Charlie" and I got a "November 3?" I shot back with "November 3 Zulu Charlie you're 59" and some QRM covered up his confirmation. So I left it like that. I wasn't going to visit Lidsville with another attempt. I'll find out when I check the updated log. Not that important to me :)

Yup, I gave my calls a few times and added a 59 here and there. QSB came in at the wrong moment. I still have yet to work him so definitely important here  ::) I did jot the times down just in case. He's pretty much faded completely out so it seems I have a very short window on the higher bands. If he's on 30/40m tonight, I'll be there..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 22, 2015, 06:25:34 AM
Once per band and once per mode I can understand. People who work all bands all modes are a bit greedy, IMO. If they do it close to the end when they are begging, fine, but I know people who want to bang out all of them as early as possible. That's kind of selfish and even a bit rude because you push out people who want an ATNO.

Why does working all bands and modes prevent others from getting an ATNO but once per band and mode doesn't?

The reason I say this is that beyond once per band and once per mode (regardless of band) there is really no valid awards purpose in the DXCC program.

Not everyone's sole motivation is getting a certificate from the DXCC program.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 22, 2015, 06:30:45 AM
Just a whisper on 14033 this morning. Huge difference in propagation between east coast, midwest and west coast. 

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2015, 06:35:42 AM
Huge 40m signal on the LP to Colorado (classic greyline propagation).  It took just a few calls ;D  I finally got my bandfill I was looking for.  Hopefully they will take advantage of this great path to the West NA.  GL to all.

ps WARNING!  Almost too loud to be EP.  It might be a SLIM :-\  WFWL...

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 22, 2015, 06:44:12 AM
Congrats, Jonathan!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 22, 2015, 06:55:50 AM
Just came out of the noise on 10m RTTY here, found his QSX he worked a DL then bang NA only,

NA only on 12
NA only on 15
NA only on 17
NA only on 20

You can see how someone in EU that has to work and is just getting home now,might be pee'd off with this sort of behaviour,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2015, 06:57:09 AM
Congrats, Jonathan!

Thanks Mike.  It was a classic greyline propagation.  Our sunrise coincided with their sunset.  As I said I hope they will utilize this path and work more from the West NA.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 22, 2015, 07:06:59 AM
What frustration many of you are experiencing. Worked into a frenzy trying to work an entity that you 'need'.  It's more precious than life itself, you must bag Iran before you go to DX heaven.  Ego bragging rights that you contacted some dork in Iran.  Maybe the higher power doesn't want US stations to make contact with Iran so he throws up some bad propagagtion and lost soul European QRM. BTW their days are numbered thanks in part to the Iranian Islamofacist terror state. Like lemmings to the river banks you pour into the so called "Hams are apolitical" DX cesspool.  Iran in turn uses it's media army to publicize the event and profers up the political value it exhibits.  "You see", they say.."Iran is a respected and admired nation who particpates as a full equal in the international amateur radio community.  Western nations, especially the United States are clamoring for the opportunity to make contact with our radio operators as a show of solidarity with the Iranian people".  And on and on.  Most of you unsophisticated American amateurs still don't get it; you're unsuspecting dupes in a political game that you have no brainpower to understand.  Only some reptilian instinct to make conatct with our enemies (declared or not) and satisfy your empty pursuit devoid of moral conscience.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 22, 2015, 07:10:41 AM
Its hard to cast blame on a group of operators who have chosen to spend a fair amount of money and time to go to a foreign country to activate a rare DX entity - for your benefit (irrespective of whether you work them or not). I've looked at some Club log QSO charts for a number of DXpeditions: ones that are proximate to North America (XF4DL, TX5K, HK0NA); ones that are tough hauls to Europe (K4M), and ones that are proximate to EU (E4X and 7O6T)...

I think there is always going to be a bias towards operations that are proximate to a high-density population area or one where the signals have to go through one major area to get to another.

K4M is probably going to be a close comparison - you generally have to operate through North America to work Europe.  They had 61,000 QSOs with 46.5% being North America , 20.9% being Europe, and 28% being Asia.  XF4DL was very proximate to North America and had to work through NA to work Europe.  Here, 59,000 QSOs were made with 56.7% being North America, 16.5% being Europe, and 22.3% being Asia.  

TX5K is similarly situated as XF4, but they made a lot more QSOs - correspondingly a lot more Europe: 113,000 QSOs with 50% to North America, 31% to Europe and 14% to Asia.

Going the other direction, E4X made 80,000 QSOs with 36.8% being Europe and 12.3% being North America.  VU7AG made 55,000 QSOs with 63% being EU and 24.5% being North America.

So, it seems that the where the operations that I've found where Europe is at a disadvantage, there is indeed an effort being made (somewhat successfully) to work Europe.  TX5K racked up 31% Europe, and the lowest was XF4DL with 16.5% (bearing in mind this was close to the cycle minimum).

E4X and VU7AG worked a fair amount of North America stations - ranging from 12.3% to 24.5%.  

So, an 8% QSO tally to me does seem low - especially in comparison to all the other expeditions.

That being said, we don't know how good the operators are, we don't know what conditions they are operating in other than mentioning that they had some bad line noise, and we don't know what they're hearing.  I do think that some of the operating times they are listening for NA have been limited, and that some of the operators are not operating at an uber rate.  But, again, they are there and we aren't.

So, I'm not about to drop the hammer on the operators there.  That being said, I am less than pleased by the conduct of certain operators in Europe.  You have 71% of all the QSOs (nearly 30,000 of them), yet you are complaining when EP6T politely asks you to stand by so that they can work a narrow path (with very high demand).  I was especially disappointed by the conduct two nights ago when EP6T asked EU to stand by on 40 meters.  Within 2 minutes of that happening, someone began intentionally jamming EP6Ts transmit frequency - someone who was clearly in Europe.  

So, it seems some people need to put this into perspective as to how they operate - both in the pileup and when they're not part of the pileup.  

After all, K1N is coming up in a couple of weeks.  I am sure, after this operation, there is probably some number of North American hams who will have a little bit of schadenfreude should there be some QRMing when the operators say "EU only"....



Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 22, 2015, 07:11:31 AM
What frustration many of you are experiencing. Worked into a frenzy trying to work an entity that you 'need'.  It's more precious than life itself, you must bag Iran before you go to DX heaven.  Ego bragging rights that you contacted some dork in Iran.  Maybe the higher power doesn't want US stations to make contact with Iran so he throws up some bad propagagtion and lost soul European QRM. BTW their days are numbered thanks in part to the Iranian Islamofacist terror state. Like lemmings to the river banks you pour into the so called "Hams are apolitical" DX cesspool.  Iran in turn uses it's media army to publicize the event and profers up the political value it exhibits.  "You see", they say.."Iran is a respected and admired nation who particpates as a full equal in the international amateur radio community.  Western nations, especially the United States are clamoring for the opportunity to make contact with our radio operators as a show of solidarity with the Iranian people".  And on and on.  Most of you unsophisticated American amateurs still don't get it; you're unsuspecting dupes in a political game that you have no brainpower to understand.  Only some reptilian instinct to make conatct with our enemies (declared or not) and satisfy your empty pursuit devoid of moral conscience.

We don't care.  Please, kick rocks.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 22, 2015, 07:42:50 AM
Why does working all bands and modes prevent others from getting an ATNO but once per band and mode doesn't?

Because you're working them twice per band for no additional benefit, with regard to the DXCC program.

And it's not even the fact that you want to fill up all the greenies, it's that everyone is competing to do it at the beginning of the DXpedition as if it's some sort of a race.

Often a DXpedition wants to maximize uniques, and the greenie leaderboard chasers are not helping.


Quote
Not everyone's sole motivation is getting a certificate from the DXCC program.

That is true, but the majority are, and most DXpeditions' focus is DXCC.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 22, 2015, 07:44:54 AM
Just curious, Paul.  Why do you think DXpeditions put more than one band on the air?  Wouldn't taking just a 20m monobander and one rig simplify packing and travel?  Working only one band sure would cut the pileups down in a hurry too.

Why did the team of EP6T say they would focus on low band for NA?  

Larry, we can agree to disagree. More than one band would be necessary because certain times of day on band X are good to area Y and so on and so on. I tried on 17 CW this morning, they were loud and then gone. Later tonight they will be workable on 80 and then gone. Etc...

Yes, a 20M operation 24/7 would be a great idea. It is amazing they are not doing it. A 20M only operation would solve alot of these problems.

Focusing on low bands for NA is idiotic when EP is something like top 25 most needed in NA.

These are my opinions. I would prefer to make ONE QSO and have two other guys have their ONE each rather than me to get THREE QSOs and the other two guys get zero. But that is just me (obviously).

They were pretty loud on 17 this morning and last night on 80 at their sunrise; I think I have a few days left to try to get one.

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 22, 2015, 07:59:26 AM
Why does working all bands and modes prevent others from getting an ATNO but once per band and mode doesn't?

Because you're working them twice per band for no additional benefit, with regard to the DXCC program.

Once again, the focus is on getting a DXCC award.

And it's not even the fact that you want to fill up all the greenies, it's that everyone is competing to do it at the beginning of the DXpedition as if it's some sort of a race.

Often a DXpedition wants to maximize uniques, and the greenie leaderboard chasers are not helping.

Then work them one time, and not at all if you already have them confirmed. That will really boost the uniques.


Quote
Not everyone's sole motivation is getting a certificate from the DXCC program.

That is true, but the majority are, and most DXpeditions' focus is DXCC.

So what? And how does a DXpedition focus on DXCC?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 22, 2015, 09:19:36 AM
Why does working all bands and modes prevent others from getting an ATNO but once per band and mode doesn't?

Because you're working them twice per band for no additional benefit, with regard to the DXCC program.

Once again, the focus is on getting a DXCC award.

And it's not even the fact that you want to fill up all the greenies, it's that everyone is competing to do it at the beginning of the DXpedition as if it's some sort of a race.

Often a DXpedition wants to maximize uniques, and the greenie leaderboard chasers are not helping.

Then work them one time, and not at all if you already have them confirmed. That will really boost the uniques.


Quote
Not everyone's sole motivation is getting a certificate from the DXCC program.

That is true, but the majority are, and most DXpeditions' focus is DXCC.

So what? And how does a DXpedition focus on DXCC?

I actually don't work DXpeditions for entities that I have confirmed everywhere.

I also do QRX if I need band fills and work only those band fills.

And again - there are awards for modes and once per band regardless of mode. Working two modes on the same band is redundant and pointless and the increased competition may deprive your fellow amateur of the pleasure of using his station.

But it's only the amateur's code, you should read it sometime. You know, being a decent human being and all.

I also hear operators who bang out all 9 bands and 3 modes early on some DXpeditions whine when a particularly difficult entity can't give them an all time new one early in the game. They whine about how the leaderboard is spoiling things. Thing is I agree with them but at least I'm consistent.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 22, 2015, 09:22:05 AM
What frustration many of you are experiencing. Worked into a frenzy trying to work an entity that you 'need'.  It's more precious than life itself, you must bag Iran before you go to DX heaven.  Ego bragging rights that you contacted some dork in Iran.  Maybe the higher power doesn't want US stations to make contact with Iran so he throws up some bad propagagtion and lost soul European QRM. BTW their days are numbered thanks in part to the Iranian Islamofacist terror state. Like lemmings to the river banks you pour into the so called "Hams are apolitical" DX cesspool.  Iran in turn uses it's media army to publicize the event and profers up the political value it exhibits.  "You see", they say.."Iran is a respected and admired nation who particpates as a full equal in the international amateur radio community.  Western nations, especially the United States are clamoring for the opportunity to make contact with our radio operators as a show of solidarity with the Iranian people".  And on and on.  Most of you unsophisticated American amateurs still don't get it; you're unsuspecting dupes in a political game that you have no brainpower to understand.  Only some reptilian instinct to make conatct with our enemies (declared or not) and satisfy your empty pursuit devoid of moral conscience.

I don't particularly care for the UN either but I have them on nearly every band.

It's DX. We aren't politicians or diplomats. You care we don't. Go talk to congress if it bothers you.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 22, 2015, 10:00:46 AM
Prior to 1990, I also worked East Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, Latvians, Ukrainians and Soviets....

Oh, the huge manatee.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 22, 2015, 10:12:14 AM
I actually don't work DXpeditions for entities that I have confirmed everywhere.

I also do QRX if I need band fills and work only those band fills.

Need?

And again - there are awards for modes and once per band regardless of mode.

Again, so what? You keep trying to justify your position by referring to awards. I don't care about awards. I don't chase awards. I would not let awards run my radio life.

Working two modes on the same band is redundant and pointless and the increased competition may deprive your fellow amateur of the pleasure of using his station.

Redundant in your opinion. Pointless in your opinion. If increased competition is bad in one case then it is bad in all cases. Your band fills may also deprive your fellow amateur of the pleasure of using his station. Does he care that you feel that you're justified because you "need" them for an award? He just wants one for an ATNO, and the guy who stepped on him while working his 7th band looks like a DX hog.


But it's only the amateur's code, you should read it sometime. You know, being a decent human being and all.

LOL. Actually, I tend to come down on the side of those who would argue that you don't "need" more than one. I usually work a few more but I certainly don't care about working every band/mode slot, or even your more limited version, which I find redundant and pointless. I guess that makes me a more decent human being than you.



I fully realize that this is only my opinion, and that there is no correct answer to this problem. The thing I don't understand is how some can convince themselves otherwise, that the way they do it is the right way because of X, Y and Z.

Good luck with your version of DXing. Have fun working as many or as few as you care to. It won't affect me one way or the other (which is not to imply that you do or should care).
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KA1J on January 22, 2015, 10:21:41 AM

And again - there are awards for modes and once per band regardless of mode. Working two modes on the same band is redundant and pointless and the increased competition may deprive your fellow amateur of the pleasure of using his station.

I've got CW DXCC on 9 bands, I think it is EP that was my one on SSB I didn't have confirmed on CW (CW is my far greater interest) so I think my CW/mixed are now equal. I am now trying for RTTY DXCC and don't use any other digital mode. I have managed to work EP6T on 40 & 80 CW and I use wire antennas 350' away & in the woods, my roof mounted tribander is useless at 25 feet and picks up some neighbors RFI so it's never used. I don't have a great chance of getting in any DXpedetions's log, I've just been trying hard for hours now and it finally paid off.

If I hear EP6T RTTY on any frequency, I'm calling them on it. So if I work them on two modes on one band, it is to me, just fine and I have no compunction in doing so. If I hear them on 160M I'm going to try for that as well. I don't need to work RTTY on all bands or CW on all bands.

I don't think that it is so bad to work on all the bands/modes though it can seem a bit piggish to do so. If everyone got to make a QSO, what would be the joy of getting all DXCC or IOTA that comes up? I have had KP1 since 1982 and in a few days it will not be as special because most needing it will probably have it checked off in their log. There's a reason KP1 was special; it was rare. There have been several DXpedetions I have not been able to work because I couldn't hear them. Hopefully before I'm done, I will work them as well. I like the challenge and don't need instant gratification, but I like it when I can get it.

73,

Gary, KA1J
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 22, 2015, 10:28:10 AM
Good luck with your version of DXing. Have fun working as many or as few as you care to. It won't affect me one way or the other (which is not to imply that you do or should care).

It seems to be affecting you greatly.

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 22, 2015, 10:42:43 AM
Good luck with your version of DXing. Have fun working as many or as few as you care to. It won't affect me one way or the other (which is not to imply that you do or should care).

It seems to be affecting you greatly.

John AE5X

Not at all. I don't care how many slots another person chooses to work. As I said, I fully realize that my choice is just that. What I don't understand is how someone can believe that there is a right way (his, of course), and then come up with arbitrary arguments for support.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on January 22, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
Huge 40m signal on the LP to Colorado (classic greyline propagation).  It took just a few calls ;D  I finally got my bandfill I was looking for.  Hopefully they will take advantage of this great path to the West NA.  GL to all.

ps WARNING!  Almost too loud to be EP.  It might be a SLIM :-\  WFWL...

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Congratulations Jonathan.  Don't be surprised about the signal, he was 59+5 on 40M over here when the Lid fest was going on.  He was stronger than any of the Lids!


73s
Rob 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 22, 2015, 11:00:36 AM
What frustration many of you are experiencing. Worked into a frenzy trying to work an entity that you 'need'.  It's more precious than life itself, you must bag Iran before you go to DX heaven.  Ego bragging rights that you contacted some dork in Iran.  Maybe the higher power doesn't want US stations to make contact with Iran so he throws up some bad propagagtion and lost soul European QRM. BTW their days are numbered thanks in part to the Iranian Islamofacist terror state. Like lemmings to the river banks you pour into the so called "Hams are apolitical" DX cesspool.  Iran in turn uses it's media army to publicize the event and profers up the political value it exhibits.  "You see", they say.."Iran is a respected and admired nation who particpates as a full equal in the international amateur radio community.  Western nations, especially the United States are clamoring for the opportunity to make contact with our radio operators as a show of solidarity with the Iranian people".  And on and on.  Most of you unsophisticated American amateurs still don't get it; you're unsuspecting dupes in a political game that you have no brainpower to understand.  Only some reptilian instinct to make conatct with our enemies (declared or not) and satisfy your empty pursuit devoid of moral conscience.

What/which personality traits does a serial jammer espouse?

Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KA1J on January 22, 2015, 11:33:27 AM
What/which personality traits does a serial jammer espouse?

Gene AF3Y

I'm not a Psychologist/Psychiatrist but I've had to take many Psychology courses in my career and I would suggest the answer to this greatly resides in the realm of Sociopathic behavior. A couple random links to check out are:

http://www.wikihow.com/Determine-if-Someone-Is-a-Sociopath

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

After being exposed to these jammers, I think it's easy to see this recurrent connection to their pathology.

I'm sure there are other examples of aberrant psychological deviation they display but this sort of focuses the understanding.

73,

Gary
KA1J
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 22, 2015, 11:43:41 AM
In my opinion, the knowledge, skills, and determination required to make a QSO with a sought-after DX station are fundamental to DXing.

The best statement ever made regarding this topic.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: G3RZP on January 22, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
So far, whenever there's been propagation to Western Europe on 10, 18 or 24, there seems to be propagation to NA, so we don't have a chance because they won't work us, wanting only NA. When there's no propagation to NA, but to Eastern EU, I can't hear them!

Their stated times for 160 give us very little chance at all......
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 22, 2015, 12:17:12 PM
So far, whenever there's been propagation to Western Europe on 10, 18 or 24, there seems to be propagation to NA, so we don't have a chance because they won't work us, wanting only NA. When there's no propagation to NA, but to Eastern EU, I can't hear them!

Their stated times for 160 give us very little chance at all......

I don't know if you are a subscriber but there were a couple of related posts on the Topband Reflector.


http://lists.contesting.com/_topband/2015-01/msg00165.html

http://lists.contesting.com/_topband/2015-01/msg00167.html
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KF7CSO on January 22, 2015, 12:55:27 PM
What/which personality traits does a serial jammer espouse?

Gene AF3Y

Gene, I was thinking the same thing.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: G3RZP on January 22, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
WS3N,

Mni tnx fer that. I am only interested in EP for ATNO on 160, 30, 17 and 12......Once I have 5BDXCC, I don't particularly bother with new band slots except for the fun of getting through a pile up. Must try getting up early for the EP on 160. Maybe I need to tell my cats - some years ago, I told my cats, jokingly, that VK0 Heard was on 160 about 0200. The next night, my cats woke me up at 0200...I fed them and went on 160 to work VK0 Heard Island - on that occasion, I forgave the cats for waking me up!

The BIG one for me is going to be K1N.......last one for #1 Honor Roll.

Which probably means an invitation for DQRM......But hopefully, a 4 ele Steppir at 62 feet has enough back to front to keep a lot of the EU DQRM out, and enough forward gain to compete!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 22, 2015, 01:17:17 PM
You're very welcome. I see there was one more post from EI2CN,

http://lists.contesting.com/_topband/2015-01/msg00177.html.

He notes that there's a contest this weekend so tonight is probably the last chance. Good luck for EP and K1N.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB3LIX on January 22, 2015, 01:20:59 PM
Quite a bit of BLOVIATING going on here.

Several of you are absolutely F.O.S.

It's up to YOU to figure out who !
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 22, 2015, 01:25:20 PM
You're very welcome. I see there was one more post from EI2CN,

http://lists.contesting.com/_topband/2015-01/msg00177.html.

He notes that there's a contest this weekend so tonight is probably the last chance. Good luck for EP and K1N.


That all depends.. if they don't plan on participating in the contest, they might either stick to modes not being used by the contest or the warc bands.. lets hope..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 22, 2015, 01:30:21 PM
You're very welcome. I see there was one more post from EI2CN,

http://lists.contesting.com/_topband/2015-01/msg00177.html.

He notes that there's a contest this weekend so tonight is probably the last chance. Good luck for EP and K1N.


That all depends.. if they don't plan on participating in the contest, they might either stick to modes not being used by the contest or the warc bands.. lets hope..

Those posts were specific to 160m, where they are only working CW, same as the contest to which he was referring.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WB3CQM on January 22, 2015, 01:45:45 PM
40 min till my sun set and I can hear EP6T clearly on 80 meters work JA. The Sun is Shinning and lite snow on ground and I am using NE  Beverage 1100 feet long. None of the other Beverage seem to hear them to good. This makes it possible for me to hear them with my Delta 240/230 with no problem most of time on 40 and 30 meters after sun set, qrn is no issue becasue I hear none or very little on the Beverage . I believe I will keep the Beverage. And I don't mean beer !

I can hear these guys on 160 at times and go's without saying All bands most of the time. If only they could hear me ::lol::

They are doing  outstanding by putting EP6T on the air .

Thanks guys

73 JIM
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 22, 2015, 02:11:50 PM
But we can work them 24hrs a day on a wet string, at least that's what most people that live in NA think,

I got half an hour after lunch today to play radio, and they were working NA only on every band,

I couldn't hear them at 9am when I had a quick listen but east and south EU were working them at that time,

If I can get 10m I'd be happy and maybe 12 but not looking likely at this stage,

Trevor
EI2GLB



So far, whenever there's been propagation to Western Europe on 10, 18 or 24, there seems to be propagation to NA, so we don't have a chance because they won't work us, wanting only NA. When there's no propagation to NA, but to Eastern EU, I can't hear them!

Their stated times for 160 give us very little chance at all......
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 22, 2015, 02:41:20 PM
Congrats, Jonathan!

Thanks Mike.  It was a classic greyline propagation.  Our sunrise coincided with their sunset.  As I said I hope they will utilize this path and work more from the West NA.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Actually I informed one of the operators 6 weeks ago of the grayline path.
He acknowledged my info before leaving for Iran. I informed him of the need to start operating just before 1330Z on 30/40/80 to catch as far east as possible. As time passes it would move west and FOR SURE have good propagation to West Texas and western states. I live in east Texas.

Well how many times have they fired up for NA at 1330Z ? Or for that matter the LP grayline opening at all ?

I know east coast is having a field day with EP as most of USA is plain left out of the propagation. Last night on 40M their signal was lower than the previous night when they only worked EU. Several other W5's said they could not hear EP at all. One was Floyd. Then obviously for days now they have trouble pulling out calls. If QRM is the problem ? Then as suggested use numbers or something. Aside from some 30M openings, and most 40M openings. The usual heard EP6T for me has been 5 - 30 minutes on the other bands.  I still think they have a receive problem below 20M. CQ after CQ on all the lower bands. You know some of these stations calling are doing way in excess of 100 watts ! Yet they don't get heard.

This morning was too late for 40M LP. NADA on 10, 12, 17, and 20. 15M was coming in. Peaked S5-6 for 5 - 10 minutes. Then another 1/2 half hour of in/out of the noise. Actually one of the few longer openings I have heard.

For me 40M has been the most consistent, but with S8 signal tops. Just too much east coast for me to break through. But I told my contact I thought the evening path would be that way. Uphill battle from Texas. I gave more probability of a QSO to the grayline path. But 1430Z won't get it done from here.

Well at least I made the 20M log.

73

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 22, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
But we can work them 24hrs a day on a wet string, at least that's what most people that live in NA think,

That kind of seems like it, maybe not a wet string but a dipole.

EP to EI:
http://www.voacap.com/predictions/54c17d78165f7/

EP to W2:
http://www.voacap.com/predictions/54c17da1073a1/

EP to W6:
http://www.voacap.com/predictions/54c17d5e3891e/

By this it is clear that you have a MUCH better shot than we do.

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I got half an hour after lunch today to play radio, and they were working NA only on every band,

I can't seem to work them on the high bands because I only get to play radio in the early morning (before 5AM) and at night (after 7PM).
I'm sure many hams are in a similar situation.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 22, 2015, 02:52:01 PM

And again - there are awards for modes and once per band regardless of mode. Working two modes on the same band is redundant and pointless and the increased competition may deprive your fellow amateur of the pleasure of using his station.

I've got CW DXCC on 9 bands, I think it is EP that was my one on SSB I didn't have confirmed on CW (CW is my far greater interest) so I think my CW/mixed are now equal. I am now trying for RTTY DXCC and don't use any other digital mode. I have managed to work EP6T on 40 & 80 CW and I use wire antennas 350' away & in the woods, my roof mounted tribander is useless at 25 feet and picks up some neighbors RFI so it's never used. I don't have a great chance of getting in any DXpedetions's log, I've just been trying hard for hours now and it finally paid off.

If I hear EP6T RTTY on any frequency, I'm calling them on it. So if I work them on two modes on one band, it is to me, just fine and I have no compunction in doing so. If I hear them on 160M I'm going to try for that as well. I don't need to work RTTY on all bands or CW on all bands.

I don't think that it is so bad to work on all the bands/modes though it can seem a bit piggish to do so.

Again, this is about people who work 'em on every mode on every band. It is absolutely unnecessary. The most that is needed for awards programs is at most once per band and once per mode, regardless of band.

Quote
If everyone got to make a QSO, what would be the joy of getting all DXCC or IOTA that comes up? I have had KP1 since 1982 and in a few days it will not be as special because most needing it will probably have it checked off in their log. There's a reason KP1 was special; it was rare. There have been several DXpedetions I have not been able to work because I couldn't hear them. Hopefully before I'm done, I will work them as well. I like the challenge and don't need instant gratification, but I like it when I can get it.

73,

Gary, KA1J

Why would it be less joy if everyone got to work them? I thought DXCC was a measure of your own personal achievement, not a competition with others?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3HJ on January 22, 2015, 03:17:25 PM
Nice surprise here. Last evening worked them on 20 m RTTY. I haven't bothered chasing 20 m on CW or SSB as I already have that confirmed. Pileups were stupid, anyway.

This morning, 30 CW, and shortly after 40 SSB.

Would have liked to work them on 10 m but propagation hasn't been great and the rest of the world has been hearing them better than I.

Heard them on 80 m this morning, but didn't bother. 160 m - won't happen.

This has been a tough one to work, from many places.

Good luck to those still needing a QSO.

73,
Luke VK3HJ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AA6YQ on January 22, 2015, 03:57:04 PM
I thought DXCC was a measure of your own personal achievement, not a competition with others?

Some DXers are focused exclusively on their own accomplishments. Others consider DXing a competitive sport; that's why the ARRL's DXCC standings are ordered by credits granted (http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings).

The choice is personal.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 22, 2015, 04:34:52 PM
EP6T sends QRX 3 QRX 3.  Scope still shows 5 - 7 kc pileup

I listened.... ALL I heard was Ws and Ks

ALL these guys cant copy code or using code readers??  THERE is part of
the problem we are overlooking

Gene
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 22, 2015, 04:43:09 PM
EP6T sends QRX 3 QRX 3.  Scope still shows 5 - 7 kc pileup

I listened.... ALL I heard was Ws and Ks

ALL these guys cant copy code or using code readers??  THERE is part of
the problem we are overlooking

Gene

Yep I heard that too. Very very slow rate on 30m.. I'm guessing a lot of QRM in one form or another. He has a nice, workable signal from here. Since QRX'ing he has come back and has been calling cq.. but I have yet to hear him work one q..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 22, 2015, 04:55:39 PM
EP6T sends QRX 3 QRX 3.  Scope still shows 5 - 7 kc pileup

I listened.... ALL I heard was Ws and Ks

ALL these guys cant copy code or using code readers??  THERE is part of
the problem we are overlooking

Gene

I think that many are simply giving up - and just calling half halfheartedly not really paying attention and thinking that maybe, just maybe they will be heard.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 22, 2015, 05:05:42 PM
Again, this is about people who work 'em on every mode on every band. It is absolutely unnecessary. The most that is needed for awards programs is at most once per band and once per mode, regardless of band.

So typical. The guy who signs #IwillNOTComply tells everybody what's unnecessary.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 22, 2015, 05:05:58 PM


I think that many are simply giving up - and just calling half halfheartedly not really paying attention and thinking that maybe, just maybe they will be heard.



Maybe... who knows..

30m is looking hopeless this evening with such a low qso rate. It seems like maybe 1 QSO every 5-10 mins. It has to be QRM of some sort?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5BO on January 22, 2015, 05:19:04 PM
The group there reported again today on their website that the noise is very bad on all bands, even stating 30M on the phased array it's s9 and s5 on the RX antenna.  They also said the 40M 4sq is useless towards NA for RX.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB4D on January 22, 2015, 05:20:05 PM
Hi,

I just checked my call (AB4D) on Club Log for my single contact with EP6T. However, it shows two contacts, both on 40 meters, one on Phone and one on CW.  I have not worked them on CW.  For those who's call may be similar to mine and have worked them on 40, you may want to consider making a back up contact.  It appears they may have busted your call for that CW contact.

73 and good DXing.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 22, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
The group there reported again today on their website that the noise is very bad on all bands, even stating 30M on the phased array it's s9 and s5 on the RX antenna.  They also said the 40M 4sq is useless towards NA for RX.

S5 noise on RX is not that terribly bad. I have S5-7 noise on 30m all the time and yet i can hear lots of stations. They should be able to at least hear the NA stations with big yagis let alone those who are also running high power and there are quite many of those. I think it is more of incompetence in dealing with heavy pileups. I think there are 2 or 3 good operators on their team but the rest simply bit more than they can chew.

73 Dragan KØAP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 22, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
The group there reported again today on their website that the noise is very bad on all bands, even stating 30M on the phased array it's s9 and s5 on the RX antenna.  They also said the 40M 4sq is useless towards NA for RX.

S5 noise on RX is not that terribly bad. I have S5-7 noise on 30m all the time and yet i can hear lots of stations. They should be able to at least hear the NA stations with big yagis let alone those who are also running high power and there are quite many of those. I think it is more of incompetence in dealing with heavy pileups. I think there are 2 or 3 good operators on their team but the rest simply bit more than they can chew.

73 Dragan KØAP

Most people have dipoles (or worse) on 30m. I have a SteppIR so I have a 3 element beam. Yes it does get out!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KA1J on January 22, 2015, 06:11:13 PM


Quote
If everyone got to make a QSO, what would be the joy of getting all DXCC or IOTA that comes up? I have had KP1 since 1982 and in a few days it will not be as special because most needing it will probably have it checked off in their log. There's a reason KP1 was special; it was rare. There have been several DXpedetions I have not been able to work because I couldn't hear them. Hopefully before I'm done, I will work them as well. I like the challenge and don't need instant gratification, but I like it when I can get it.

73,

Gary, KA1J

Why would it be less joy if everyone got to work them? I thought DXCC was a measure of your own personal achievement, not a competition with others?


An easy answer: Because if everybody worked them, where would the sense of anticipation and challenge come from? Some people aren't going to make a Q and they will have to wait till the next time there is an EP signal on the air. It has always been that way. If everybody who wanted a Q and was sure to get it, it would be the same as sending a team to Kish to get & send emails; you send one to them saying 599 and they send a reply that says 599. What's the thrill in that?

It's the uncertainty and effort to make a Q that makes it a challenge and have value when hopefully completed. Therein is the joy of accomplishment. If you don't make the Q, you have the chance for the future joy in doing so and getting that reward in the future.

Considering the 15M CW Navassa Q I have from 1982; I'll enjoy making a 160M & RTTY Q with the new DXpedetion, but it won't be the same experience as when it was an ATNO. Had I missed it back then, it would be incredible to get that ATNO now. Delayed gratification can be awesome.

Gary, KA1J
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 22, 2015, 06:26:04 PM


Quote
If everyone got to make a QSO, what would be the joy of getting all DXCC or IOTA that comes up? I have had KP1 since 1982 and in a few days it will not be as special because most needing it will probably have it checked off in their log. There's a reason KP1 was special; it was rare. There have been several DXpedetions I have not been able to work because I couldn't hear them. Hopefully before I'm done, I will work them as well. I like the challenge and don't need instant gratification, but I like it when I can get it.

73,

Gary, KA1J

Why would it be less joy if everyone got to work them? I thought DXCC was a measure of your own personal achievement, not a competition with others?


An easy answer: Because if everybody worked them, where would the sense of anticipation and challenge come from? Some people aren't going to make a Q and they will have to wait till the next time there is an EP signal on the air. It has always been that way. If everybody who wanted a Q and was sure to get it, it would be the same as sending a team to Kish to get & send emails; you send one to them saying 599 and they send a reply that says 599. What's the thrill in that?

It's the uncertainty and effort to make a Q that makes it a challenge and have value when hopefully completed. Therein is the joy of accomplishment. If you don't make the Q, you have the chance for the future joy in doing so and getting that reward in the future.

Considering the 15M CW Navassa Q I have from 1982; I'll enjoy making a 160M & RTTY Q with the new DXpedetion, but it won't be the same experience as when it was an ATNO. Had I missed it back then, it would be incredible to get that ATNO now. Delayed gratification can be awesome.

Gary, KA1J

There is enough challenge from natural forces (terrain, propagation, solar storms) as well as man-made noise and station challenges without having your fellow hams ruin it for others.

Remember:

The Radio Amateur is CONSIDERATE, never knowingly operating in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 22, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
The group there reported again today on their website that the noise is very bad on all bands, even stating 30M on the phased array it's s9 and s5 on the RX antenna.  They also said the 40M 4sq is useless towards NA for RX.

Wow, that's too bad to hear. That may explain why they appear to be deaf from this end not hearing much through the noise with a low rate. I've had no problem copying them here at certain times on the dipole. I've worked rarer dxpeditions with worse propagation and worse signal strengths with my station.. while it sucks, now I don't feel as bad if I miss this one. I'll certainly keep trying til the end.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 22, 2015, 07:00:04 PM
Must be why I have spent 3hrs calling them on 80m, I was on the right spot in the clear loads of times but no joy,

My doublet is poor as well so that's not helping, He was jumping around working the loud stations I guess that's why,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2015, 07:25:44 PM
I can't hear them on 80m or 160m from Colorado.  Just for fun I tuned in and listened to the pileups.  The pileup on 160m was deafening :D  Likewise on 80m my bandscope is lit up solid.  Have fun at it guys.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 22, 2015, 07:35:30 PM
I think I got them on 80m tonight.

Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 22, 2015, 07:46:02 PM
...and of course they went QRT from 80m just as their morning greyline enhancement was starting around 0330z. Sigh.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2LO on January 22, 2015, 07:55:12 PM
  N1UK- You got them, Mark; I heard your 80m QSO this evening. Well done !

                          Mike  W2LO
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: VK3HJ on January 22, 2015, 08:00:13 PM
Listening to the pileup antics, and the DQRM on the DX can be somewhat entertaining, and puzzling at the same time.

This morning on 40 CW, our old foe "EA5SYL" was at it again, and I had a hard time hearing EP6T. I went back to bed and left radio going. Soon I heard "QSY SSB", so just went back to sleep.

An hour or so later, much to my surprise, I did actually work them on 40 SSB, but not until the op managed to stop most of the noise coming from Europe.

Hoping for generally better pileup behaviour with K1N.

73 es GL,
Luke VK3HJ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KA1J on January 22, 2015, 08:01:25 PM


Quote
If everyone got to make a QSO, what would be the joy of getting all DXCC or IOTA that comes up? I have had KP1 since 1982 and in a few days it will not be as special because most needing it will probably have it checked off in their log. There's a reason KP1 was special; it was rare. There have been several DXpedetions I have not been able to work because I couldn't hear them. Hopefully before I'm done, I will work them as well. I like the challenge and don't need instant gratification, but I like it when I can get it.

73,

Gary, KA1J

Why would it be less joy if everyone got to work them? I thought DXCC was a measure of your own personal achievement, not a competition with others?


An easy answer: Because if everybody worked them, where would the sense of anticipation and challenge come from? Some people aren't going to make a Q and they will have to wait till the next time there is an EP signal on the air. It has always been that way. If everybody who wanted a Q and was sure to get it, it would be the same as sending a team to Kish to get & send emails; you send one to them saying 599 and they send a reply that says 599. What's the thrill in that?

It's the uncertainty and effort to make a Q that makes it a challenge and have value when hopefully completed. Therein is the joy of accomplishment. If you don't make the Q, you have the chance for the future joy in doing so and getting that reward in the future.

Considering the 15M CW Navassa Q I have from 1982; I'll enjoy making a 160M & RTTY Q with the new DXpedetion, but it won't be the same experience as when it was an ATNO. Had I missed it back then, it would be incredible to get that ATNO now. Delayed gratification can be awesome.

Gary, KA1J

There is enough challenge from natural forces (terrain, propagation, solar storms) as well as man-made noise and station challenges without having your fellow hams ruin it for others.

Remember:

The Radio Amateur is CONSIDERATE, never knowingly operating in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others.

A'La Cool Hand Luke, "What we have here is a failure to communicate". Seems like we are having two separate discussions. On this topic, I'm done.

73,

Gary
KA1J
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 22, 2015, 08:14:49 PM
...and of course they went QRT from 80m just as their morning greyline enhancement was starting around 0330z. Sigh.

Yes, that was indeed a shock! Greyline is overrated; never really helps on 80 meters anyway. Maybe they will come back in 3 hrs on 80 CW and call "CQ NA again". This time with NO pile-up ;)

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 22, 2015, 08:17:32 PM
One has to agree the Rockall Group has rocked the DX world !

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 22, 2015, 08:23:39 PM
I think I got them on 80m tonight.

Congrats Mark.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 23, 2015, 03:03:48 AM
Well, I got them on 30M last night @2358.  But only because they were taking NA only after a long run of JAs.  Their signal was actually S9.  It was not without a battle however as they busted my call twice.  Not the fault of the operator, but because no one would stop their incessant calling while he was trying to complete the QSO.  First as K9RS, then as K0RI.  Finally he got it OK after endless repeats.  Kudos to the op for sticking with it.  I wasn't sure of the Q until the log update because I never heard him acknowledge my report.  And that was because someone was calling him on his QRG. Of course that brought out the "UP UP UP" cops.  I'm not so sure they have solved their noise problem as each call seemed to he a struggle for the EP6T op.  Hardest battle I've had in long time, and only minutes before I had to leave for work.  The comments on the cluster from the EUs were unbelievable.  "3 Hrs of JA and nw NA?  When EU?"  Simply amazing.  To one DLs credit, he posted "EU=29k, NA=only 3K."  Thanks to at least some EUs for getting it.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 23, 2015, 03:16:24 AM
Don't feel bad..my contact (Phone) on15M is NOT in their log ??? It was pretty clear the other day Geesh! ::)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KW4CQ on January 23, 2015, 04:50:06 AM
Too much time and effort expended already. Forget it!  I'll wait 'till the next DXpedition.  Prepping here for the K1N DXpedition by installing a new (gotcha!) antenna.   ;D ;D ;D

G/L to all and 73,

Bob KW4CQ
ex:  EP2TC Tehran 1972-1973
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 23, 2015, 05:04:37 AM
Agreed!..K1N payback time for EU.

Happy Hunting!
73'  Tom N3ZC
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 23, 2015, 05:13:01 AM
Nothing in the log here, yet. A nice sig on 17m & 15m cw this morning.. but no luck.

From what I could hear.. only the greenie hunters were getting through (and from what I could tell on their qrz page they had bigger stations). I need to work on getting permission to put a tower/beam up. I have a nice tribander and 70ft tower sitting in the back yard!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3QE on January 23, 2015, 05:46:51 AM
Agreed!..K1N payback time for EU.

Disagree. What the US needs to do is a repeat of the "Marshall Plan", to help EU out. Much of the EU is in a continued serious economic slump which is a big problem for US exporters. Of course ham radio is tiny tiny in the overall economic picture, but having USA contributions to DXpeditions dominate, and having EU get most of the benefit, is JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO, because every activation (even if imbalanced towards EU in overall QSO numbers) will have NA hams getting "new ones" too.

The alternative is isolationism, which flies squarely in the face of what DX'ing is all about!!!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 23, 2015, 06:01:29 AM
Quote
N1UK- You got them, Mark; I heard your 80m QSO this evening. Well done !

                          Mike  W2LO

Thanks guys. I am using a modified Half wave sloper  on 30, 60, 80 and 160m and it seems to get out pretty well.


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ3N on January 23, 2015, 06:25:15 AM
This will probably be my only contact, but at least I got one....

EP6T 17m SSB 14:15z  01/23/2015
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4OGW on January 23, 2015, 06:31:55 AM
...and of course they went QRT from 80m just as their morning greyline enhancement was starting around 0330z. Sigh.

That is just about when the enhancement was ending. Their sunrise is earlier ( ~ 310z?) than most tables or programs give for Iran. I assume the standard tools are based on the coordinates of Tehran, but EP6T is quite a bit further south and has an earlier sunrise. Compare the sunrise times for A6 and EP (Tehran) and you will see what I mean.

Tor
N4OGW
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 23, 2015, 07:12:15 AM
This will probably be my only contact, but at least I got one....

EP6T 17m SSB 14:15z  01/23/2015

Congrats! Goes along with the one I have  Payback time soon though Get ready! >:(
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 23, 2015, 07:47:14 AM
I got em this morning at 1245Z on 17M using my 40M dipole/tuner and 300 watts. This was evidently 30 minutes after the op called for USA only. The sigs were surprisingly strong into MD; if I needed EP I would get up at 1130Z and park on 18083 and wait for them to call specifically for NA. I made three calls and was done. Actually anti-climactic given all the stress of not hearing them clearly amid the QRM over the past week on 40 and 80.

Can't wait for the next log update, then I will simply be an observer.

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WB3BEL on January 23, 2015, 07:51:40 AM
...and of course they went QRT from 80m just as their morning greyline enhancement was starting around 0330z. Sigh.

Yes, that was indeed a shock! Greyline is overrated; never really helps on 80 meters anyway. Maybe they will come back in 3 hrs on 80 CW and call "CQ NA again". This time with NO pile-up ;)

paul

You say that Greyline is over-rated: never really helps on 80meters anyway ????

Not what I have seen.   Sure there are all kinds of enhancements so the peaks don't always coincide with Sunrise or Sunset or common greyline, but there is very very often a signal peak associated with sunrise and sunset on 80m.  It might not be right at SR or SS but close enough to use to a DXer's advantage.



Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 23, 2015, 08:29:52 AM
...and of course they went QRT from 80m just as their morning greyline enhancement was starting around 0330z. Sigh.

Yes, that was indeed a shock! Greyline is overrated; never really helps on 80 meters anyway. Maybe they will come back in 3 hrs on 80 CW and call "CQ NA again". This time with NO pile-up ;)

paul




You say that Greyline is over-rated: never really helps on 80meters anyway ????

Not what I have seen.   Sure there are all kinds of enhancements so the peaks don't always coincide with Sunrise or Sunset or common greyline, but there is very very often a signal peak associated with sunrise and sunset on 80m.  It might not be right at SR or SS but close enough to use to a DXer's advantage.





Greyline works on low bands. That is 30 minutes +- of simultaneous sunrise and a sunset. The window appears to be a longer duration on 40/30M than 80/160M
N5UD
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 23, 2015, 08:49:52 AM
I got em this morning at 1245Z on 17M using my 40M dipole/tuner and 300 watts. This was evidently 30 minutes after the op called for USA only. The sigs were surprisingly strong into MD; if I needed EP I would get up at 1130Z and park on 18083 and wait for them to call specifically for NA. I made three calls and was done. Actually anti-climactic given all the stress of not hearing them clearly amid the QRM over the past week on 40 and 80.

Can't wait for the next log update, then I will simply be an observer.

paul

Congrats! They had some good sigs this morning. My amp blew a metering resistor for plate current so I was barefoot this morning with my dipole. I'll definitely be on 17/15 in the morning and will continue trying 30/40 at night. Starting to run out of time!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4OGW on January 23, 2015, 08:57:25 AM
...and of course they went QRT from 80m just as their morning greyline enhancement was starting around 0330z. Sigh.

Yes, that was indeed a shock! Greyline is overrated; never really helps on 80 meters anyway. Maybe they will come back in 3 hrs on 80 CW and call "CQ NA again". This time with NO pile-up ;)

paul



You say that Greyline is over-rated: never really helps on 80meters anyway ????

Not what I have seen.   Sure there are all kinds of enhancements so the peaks don't always coincide with Sunrise or Sunset or common greyline, but there is very very often a signal peak associated with sunrise and sunset on 80m.  It might not be right at SR or SS but close enough to use to a DXer's advantage.





Greyline works on low bands. That is 30 minutes +- of simultaneous sunrise and a sunset. The window appears to be a longer duration on 40/30M than 80/160M
N5UD

http://www.ng3k.com/Misc/n4kgprop.html

We are talking about sunrise enhancement here- the "greyline" is nowhere near the stations in the US working EP6T at their sunrise.

Tor
N4OGW
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WB3CQM on January 23, 2015, 09:49:39 AM
On 80 meters using a 1100 foot Beverage I heard them in my sun light yesterday 40 min before my sun set. I can hear them every  night from 339 up to S3- to maybe s 5 . AT their Sun Rise EVERY night they go up to S9 on my Beverage with a big signal. Every day so far this peak in signal happens at their Sun Rise on 80 meters. Simply my 100 watts is not getting to them.

On 30 meters their strongest signal is S9 at MY Sun Set while they are work JA. When they stop working JA or call NA I can still hear them clearly but their signal has dropped.

I have tried even transmitting with beam long path , short path as well as skewed path to no good. My prime time with a NA pile up calling is at my Sun Set or close after  and this has been so every day I listened on 30. Even with a 2 el beam at 80 feet I can not be heard by them so far. At their Sun Rise on 30 metes they are pretty much gone in signal.

So there is the difference in Gray line for me and between 80 meter and 30 meter band.

All interesting topic and discussion
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 23, 2015, 10:00:53 AM
...and of course they went QRT from 80m just as their morning greyline enhancement was starting around 0330z. Sigh.

Yes, that was indeed a shock! Greyline is overrated; never really helps on 80 meters anyway. Maybe they will come back in 3 hrs on 80 CW and call "CQ NA again". This time with NO pile-up ;)

paul

You say that Greyline is over-rated: never really helps on 80meters anyway ????

Not what I have seen.   Sure there are all kinds of enhancements so the peaks don't always coincide with Sunrise or Sunset or common greyline, but there is very very often a signal peak associated with sunrise and sunset on 80m.  It might not be right at SR or SS but close enough to use to a DXer's advantage.

It was intended to be a joke.

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 23, 2015, 10:08:04 AM

http://www.ng3k.com/Misc/n4kgprop.html

We are talking about sunrise enhancement here- the "greyline" is nowhere near the stations in the US working EP6T at their sunrise.

Tor
N4OGW

Thanks Tor, I did not realize there was a difference. I have always thought of my sunrise/sunset enhancements as greyline regardless of WHERE to other guy was located (I am just selfish :)).

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 23, 2015, 11:00:36 AM

http://www.ng3k.com/Misc/n4kgprop.html

We are talking about sunrise enhancement here- the "greyline" is nowhere near the stations in the US working EP6T at their sunrise.

Tor
N4OGW

Thanks Tor, I did not realize there was a difference. I have always thought of my sunrise/sunset enhancements as greyline regardless of WHERE to other guy was located (I am just selfish :)).

paul

About 15 years ago I had a program that would give me DX entities whose SR/SS coincided with my SS/SR.  I think it was called "DX Edge".

Is that program, or a similar program, still available?  It was very helpful.

73,

Chris  NU1O

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 23, 2015, 11:19:43 AM
I remember the original DX edge, which was a piece of plastic with a world map printed on it, and a monthly plastic overlay showing the grey line.  You lined up the time marks on both to see where the SR/SS was.

You can use DX ATLAS to find very localized SR/SS times and headings.  In the case of EP6T, if you know where the island is that they are operating from, just set the mouse over it and you see the SR, SS, headings, and distance to that exact point.  Very useful IMO.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: G3RZP on January 23, 2015, 11:50:49 AM
I find it interesting the amount of time they seem to have spent on 18 MHz CW working JA and NA compared with the time spent working EU. Something like 3 hours on NA, at least an hour on JA today and 45 minutes on EU before going to SSB....and not as if the pile up was diminishing.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 23, 2015, 11:56:08 AM
I think I am pretty much done trying for EP6T.  I got my one Q, which I am grateful for.  I wish there had been more, but there weren't.  I'm going to send the guys a small donation, because I appreciate that they showed up.  I do hope we might see another expedition soon, maybe in a quieter QTH.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WB3BEL on January 23, 2015, 12:10:16 PM
About 15 years ago I had a program that would give me DX entities whose SR/SS coincided with my SS/SR.  I think it was called "DX Edge".

Is that program, or a similar program, still available?  It was very helpful.

73,

Chris  NU1O


Google Earth also supports this and can show the advance of the terminator across the map.  It's good because the angle of approach gives you some idea of the duration of the effect.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 23, 2015, 12:11:12 PM
The piles were thinner this morning.  I got them on 15 and 17 without too much difficulty.

For some odd reason, I need all the low bands plus 20 and 30.  Will take a shot tonight - knowing that the swarming masses now have the weekend off...
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 23, 2015, 12:38:02 PM
I find it interesting the amount of time they seem to have spent on 18 MHz CW working JA and NA compared with the time spent working EU. Something like 3 hours on NA, at least an hour on JA today and 45 minutes on EU before going to SSB....and not as if the pile up was diminishing.

I know this might be impossible to figure out, but I wonder what percentage of Eu DXers do not have even 1 QSO as compared to the percentage of NA DXers that do not have even 1 QSO.

I think this might be why they are not focusing on the high bands in Eu.

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 23, 2015, 12:41:56 PM
The piles were thinner this morning.  I got them on 15 and 17 without too much difficulty.

For some odd reason, I need all the low bands plus 20 and 30.  Will take a shot tonight - knowing that the swarming masses now have the weekend off...

East coast is having a feast with EP6T. Not the case with Midwest WØ call area. Only a handful of people with big yagis and legal power from KC area are in the log, 20 or 17m only. An "average Joe" like me with 500W-600W and 2ele at 40ft has a very little chance against the east coast iron wall. During the first 3-4 days EP6T missed golden opportunities to thin out the pileups not sticking to 20 and 17m for NA. At that time, although their signals on 20/17m where fairly decent, they where all over the place, not paying attention to the short window openings, jumping from one band/mode to another at the peak hours. All that contributed to low percentage of NA in the log. I think they finally realized that they screwed up and the last couple of days I noticed they are persistent to work NA on 20 and 17m until the bands close. Couple of more days till QRT. There is still hope but not much time left.

73 Dragan KØAP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 23, 2015, 03:38:15 PM
...and of course they went QRT from 80m just as their morning greyline enhancement was starting around 0330z. Sigh.

Yes, that was indeed a shock! Greyline is overrated; never really helps on 80 meters anyway. Maybe they will come back in 3 hrs on 80 CW and call "CQ NA again". This time with NO pile-up ;)

paul



You say that Greyline is over-rated: never really helps on 80meters anyway ????

Not what I have seen.   Sure there are all kinds of enhancements so the peaks don't always coincide with Sunrise or Sunset or common greyline, but there is very very often a signal peak associated with sunrise and sunset on 80m.  It might not be right at SR or SS but close enough to use to a DXer's advantage.





Greyline works on low bands. That is 30 minutes +- of simultaneous sunrise and a sunset. The window appears to be a longer duration on 40/30M than 80/160M
N5UD

http://www.ng3k.com/Misc/n4kgprop.html

We are talking about sunrise enhancement here- the "greyline" is nowhere near the stations in the US working EP6T at their sunrise.

Tor
N4OGW

It is in western US at EP sunset. Goes from VE4 thru W7 and W6 and is close to western W5.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 23, 2015, 03:40:31 PM
Hey ! I am not on the leaderboard.
Top 100 have 21 - 17 QSO's. About 6 Stations are Asia and the rest are EU.

Also EP running about 30% uniques.

73
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB3LIX on January 23, 2015, 04:04:38 PM
TRUST ME when I tell you that not ALL
East Coast stations are having a FIELD DAY with EP6T.

I have been up at 0700 (EST) every day this week trying to HEAR EP6T.

They have come out of the noise floor a few times, but NOT strong at all.

Time is running out here.
At this point, barring a miracle, I don't expect to get into their log.

There is always next time.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 23, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
There is always next time.

And maybe the results of this one will inspire a Next Time very soon.

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K4JK on January 23, 2015, 05:40:55 PM
Nice collection of drooling idiots on 40m CW tonight.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5MOA on January 23, 2015, 05:46:21 PM
Nice collection of drooling idiots on 40m CW tonight.


They do seem to all be out tonight.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WA4IIF on January 23, 2015, 07:01:04 PM
KB3LIX: it hasn't been a field day for me here in NW Florida. I've haven't gotten through although I've been able to copy EP6T well numerous times through lengthy windows of reception. I guess my ~600 watts and hexagonal beam haven't been able to get through due to the thundering herd/high noise level. I haven't given up yet and I'll keep trying this weekend, but I'm not optimistic about getting this one as an ATNO. If I don't, I hope there's a next time soon. If it's any consolation, I heard you about 30 minutes ago on 40 meter CW and you had a strong signal here. But I ain't in Iran. :-)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 23, 2015, 07:04:35 PM
It's a bit of a washout tonight, 40m is NA only and they are getting nailed by QRMers they QRM is not very loud here so I don't think its EU based,

80m he is a reasonable signal but he can't hear much, only working the very loud Russians and 2 or 3 minutes between QSO's

after 2 hours I have enough,

Think its time to forget about this and get things ready for K1N,

Trevor
EI2GLB

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0RS on January 23, 2015, 07:19:32 PM
Nice collection of drooling idiots on 40m CW tonight.

It was very civil on 40m LP this morning around 1300Z.  He seemed to still be having trouble picking out calls, so maybe the noise thing isn't completely solved.  Rate was very slow, one Q every minute or two.  I got thru without too much trouble with just a quarter wave vertical, fortunately before he was spotted on the cluster.  After a spot showed, there was nothing but complaints about the nature of the pileup.  I'm sure the slow rate didn't help.  IMO, the cluster is the far worse culprit for generating bad behaviour than the leadboard.  I'm glad I was outta there before he was spotted.  Interesting that there were a fair number of stateside calling and he didn't get spotted for some time.  Very satisfying QSO.  I found him with my own two ears, well behaved, respectful callers and no one on his QRG.  A clean QSO...what's the world coming to?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 23, 2015, 07:35:46 PM
KB3LIX: it hasn't been a field day for me here in NW Florida. I've haven't gotten through although I've been able to copy EP6T well numerous times through lengthy windows of reception. I guess my ~600 watts and hexagonal beam haven't been able to get through due to the thundering herd/high noise level. I haven't given up yet and I'll keep trying this weekend, but I'm not optimistic about getting this one as an ATNO. If I don't, I hope there's a next time soon. If it's any consolation, I heard you about 30 minutes ago on 40 meter CW and you had a strong signal here. But I ain't in Iran. :-)

I'm in with you guys.. I've heard them numerous times but I have not been loud enough to get through. There were numerous times in the evenings on 30m and 40m where they were calling and calling cq with plenty calling but could not hear anyone. I'll keep trying throughout the weekend. The icing on the cake came today/yesterday when my amp (sb-200) started showing signs of parasitic oscillation (after working flawlessly for 4+ years) so now it sits on the bench. Ugh. I'll be rushing to get that operational for K1N.. either that or it may turn into a backup amp  ;D  I best not tread around the alpha website, credit card numbers could accidentally get entered..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB3LIX on January 23, 2015, 07:37:27 PM
There is always next time.

And maybe the results of this one will inspire a Next Time very soon.

John AE5X

That would be excellent !

100w and a vertical are not going to be enough to
break thru that thundering herd.
But hey, I can still keep tryin !

Still have the weekend.
Maybe that miracle will manifest itself.

Although I am not holding my breath.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9OY on January 23, 2015, 09:21:09 PM
There is always next time.

And maybe the results of this one will inspire a Next Time very soon.

John AE5X

That would be excellent !

100w and a vertical are not going to be enough to
break thru that thundering herd.
But hey, I can still keep tryin !

Still have the weekend.
Maybe that miracle will manifest itself.

Although I am not holding my breath.

I got him on 30M with a dipole and 100W so don't give up hope.  I never would have gotten him except he was riding herd on EU and listening for NA and I finally figured out where he was listening.  He was basically sticking to one freq (up 2).  I spent most the night calling everywhere but up 2.  It took 3 hours and he peaked right before his sunrise which is when I got him, if that's any help.

73  W9OY
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 24, 2015, 03:21:00 AM
Up 2 quite often is where they have been listening. It is a shame they are deafened by their local man-made noises.

Well uniques are down to 17 % and NA holding at 9 %.

I am well established in the minority.

N5UD
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 24, 2015, 04:44:00 AM
log updated....
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 24, 2015, 05:12:36 AM
Nice collection of drooling idiots on 40m CW tonight.

It was very civil on 40m LP this morning around 1300Z.  He seemed to still be having trouble picking out calls, so maybe the noise thing isn't completely solved.  Rate was very slow, one Q every minute or two.  I got thru without too much trouble with just a quarter wave vertical, fortunately before he was spotted on the cluster.  After a spot showed, there was nothing but complaints about the nature of the pileup.  I'm sure the slow rate didn't help.  IMO, the cluster is the far worse culprit for generating bad behaviour than the leadboard.  I'm glad I was outta there before he was spotted.  Interesting that there were a fair number of stateside calling and he didn't get spotted for some time.  Very satisfying QSO.  I found him with my own two ears, well behaved, respectful callers and no one on his QRG.  A clean QSO...what's the world coming to?

Agree with all.  I had the same idea and was lurking.  The slow rate really killed me as I was in and out getting the kids ready for school.  But the pileup civility broke down when the first spot hit.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 24, 2015, 05:13:31 AM
Nothing but OLAs on 15M SSB
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 24, 2015, 06:19:28 AM
Nothing here at all this morning. I saw a faint trace on 17m rtty and could not hear anything on 15m... sigs were down in the mud. We'll see what the evening brings on 40/30. Oh well, off to shovel snow..
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 24, 2015, 06:29:05 AM
I think I got my RTTY ATNO on 17m this morning but it was a very rough decode but I was on his RX freq so all indications are good.

DE N1UK N1UK N1UK BK

<150124 13:49:05 RX>
QN1UK 59?h; 1UE
<150124 13:49:14 TX>

..... DE N1UK N1UK 599 599 TU

<150124 13:49:22 RX>
KMVW65 ,- ,- 7PSKA2UOIKA2FKU2D OO KA2DOKA2D 599 QQBKABQTU NA



Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 24, 2015, 06:35:47 AM
I think I got my RTTY ATNO on 17m this morning but it was a very rough decode.

DE N1UK N1UK N1UK BK

<150124 13:49:05 RX>
QN1UK 59?h; 1UE
<150124 13:49:14 TX>

..... DE N1UK N1UK 599 599 TU

<150124 13:49:22 RX>
KMVW65 ,- ,- 7PSKA2UOIKA2FKU2D OO KA2DOKA2D 599 QQBKABQTU NA



Mark N1UK

C9NG4A57LA589NS!  :)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 24, 2015, 07:00:06 AM
TNX hi hi


This was the important bit

QN1UK 59?h; 1UE

and then he didn't appear to repeat the report but moved on to another station so that is a good sign......ESP  RTTY in action

Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WA2VUY on January 24, 2015, 07:17:24 AM
On their twitter feed:
"We are ready for the weekend! Looking for uniques."
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4KZ on January 24, 2015, 07:18:18 AM
Whew. Needed EP6T to make Honor Roll but had been away on business most of the week. Hurried home this (Saturday) morning and snagged a Q on 12m SSB with OH2BH at the EP6T mic. It was about 20 minutes after local sunrise. A joyous time in my shack! Been working on DXCC HR off and on for about 45 years. (Much too long but had missed some big DXpeditions over the years because I was moving from one QTH to another.) Now have 345 all time and the 331 current needed for HR. Can't believe I finally made it!

73, N4KZ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 24, 2015, 07:19:31 AM
Whew. Needed EP6T to make Honor Roll but had been away on business most of the week. Hurried home this (Saturday) morning and snagged a Q on 12m SSB with OH2BH at the EP6T mic. It was about 20 minutes after local sunrise. A joyous time in my shack! Been working on DXCC HR off and on for about 45 years. (Much too long but had missed some big DXpeditions over the years because I was moving from one QTH to another.) Now have 345 all time and the 331 current needed for HR. Can't believe I finally made it!

73, N4KZ

Woo hoo! A big congrats, that's awesome!!!!!  ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 24, 2015, 07:20:13 AM
Congratulations..good job


I have 2 more to go, so I might be able to join you next year.


73 Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 24, 2015, 07:35:09 AM
Whew. Needed EP6T to make Honor Roll but had been away on business most of the week. Hurried home this (Saturday) morning and snagged a Q on 12m SSB with OH2BH at the EP6T mic. It was about 20 minutes after local sunrise. A joyous time in my shack! Been working on DXCC HR off and on for about 45 years. (Much too long but had missed some big DXpeditions over the years because I was moving from one QTH to another.) Now have 345 all time and the 331 current needed for HR. Can't believe I finally made it!

73, N4KZ

I really enjoy reading messages like this.  Congrats, and hope to breathe the same thin air up there someday. 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 24, 2015, 07:43:48 AM
Nothing but OLAs on 15M SSB

And "Spleeeeet!!!"
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 24, 2015, 08:02:11 AM
Whew. Needed EP6T to make Honor Roll but had been away on business most of the week. Hurried home this (Saturday) morning and snagged a Q on 12m SSB with OH2BH at the EP6T mic. It was about 20 minutes after local sunrise. A joyous time in my shack! Been working on DXCC HR off and on for about 45 years. (Much too long but had missed some big DXpeditions over the years because I was moving from one QTH to another.) Now have 345 all time and the 331 current needed for HR. Can't believe I finally made it!

73, N4KZ

Congrats!

While on Mellish, our team was able to provide a South African ham with an ATNO for Honor Roll, with the back story being that he had been battling health problems and was not quite sure he would see the day he would obtain it. I am quite sure there were many other things he was glad to have accomplished in his lifetime, but the mere fact that Honor Roll was a "bucket list" quest in his later years gratified our team to know that he made it through the pile quite handily in the first days.

Maybe Gene K5GS can give a better story on this should he read this post.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5INP on January 24, 2015, 08:20:26 AM
Quote
The EP6T DXpedition team now on Iran’s Kish Island (IOTA AS-166) has implored operators hoping to work the rare DXCC entity to show more respect and exhibit better operating manners. The EP6T team said it’s aware that the balance of contacts have been with Europe, North America, Oceania, and Asia, and the operators are doing their best to work other regions, but that 10 days may not be long enough to satisfy the surging demand, and that “ham spirit” has been hard to find.

“Jammers calling with fake calls and disrespecting the operators, sending disgraceful e-mails, and calling us names is sometimes too much for us,” the EP6T team said. “Please, a little more respect is needed.”

The operators report that many stations from Japan have made it through on the low bands and some North American stations have gone into the log on 80 meters. So far, though, only KV4FZ and NP2X have been successful on 160, and even Europe has been hard to work at sunrise.

The team has four receive antennas and has intended to focus on 160 meters, but “when conditions are bad, there's nothing we can do.”

The Rockall DX Group is sponsoring the DXpedition to Iran, which is #33 on ClubLog’s DXCC Most Wanted List. — Thanks to The Daily DX

http://www.arrl.org/news/ep6t-team-pleads-for-more-respect-from-operators
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 24, 2015, 09:09:46 AM
SOS down here. Out early mobile. Frost and 25 degrees or so. In a location that was quiet, and can see for miles to the north.
EP6T came in for 15 minutes on 12M. Peaked at what was 30 minutes after my sunrise wit S5 signal. Sound familiar, the sunrise bit ? 1350-1355Z. No QSO through that crowd. Gone at 1400Z.

So on all bands but 30 and 40. Openings are very short. If at all. VOACAP has sure missed this one.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 24, 2015, 09:13:52 AM
Whew. Needed EP6T to make Honor Roll but had been away on business most of the week. Hurried home this (Saturday) morning and snagged a Q on 12m SSB with OH2BH at the EP6T mic. It was about 20 minutes after local sunrise. A joyous time in my shack! Been working on DXCC HR off and on for about 45 years. (Much too long but had missed some big DXpeditions over the years because I was moving from one QTH to another.) Now have 345 all time and the 331 current needed for HR. Can't believe I finally made it!

A hearty round of congratulations on a job well done! I just did it myself last year with Tromelin and I'm still on cloud nine! Good going!!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 24, 2015, 09:14:23 AM
Sorry to hear that Dave.
VOACAP is crap, I've been saying that for a long time.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 24, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
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The EP6T DXpedition team now on Iran’s Kish Island (IOTA AS-166) has implored operators hoping to work the rare DXCC entity to show more respect and exhibit better operating manners. The EP6T team said it’s aware that the balance of contacts have been with Europe, North America, Oceania, and Asia, and the operators are doing their best to work other regions, but that 10 days may not be long enough to satisfy the surging demand, and that “ham spirit” has been hard to find.

“Jammers calling with fake calls and disrespecting the operators, sending disgraceful e-mails, and calling us names is sometimes too much for us,” the EP6T team said. “Please, a little more respect is needed.”

The operators report that many stations from Japan have made it through on the low bands and some North American stations have gone into the log on 80 meters. So far, though, only KV4FZ and NP2X have been successful on 160, and even Europe has been hard to work at sunrise.

The team has four receive antennas and has intended to focus on 160 meters, but “when conditions are bad, there's nothing we can do.”

The Rockall DX Group is sponsoring the DXpedition to Iran, which is #33 on ClubLog’s DXCC Most Wanted List. — Thanks to The Daily DX

http://www.arrl.org/news/ep6t-team-pleads-for-more-respect-from-operators

Sounds as though their frustration is showing. It is unfortunate that their stay is short.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KA1J on January 24, 2015, 10:47:29 AM
Whew. Needed EP6T to make Honor Roll but had been away on business most of the week. Hurried home this (Saturday) morning and snagged a Q on 12m SSB with OH2BH at the EP6T mic. It was about 20 minutes after local sunrise. A joyous time in my shack! Been working on DXCC HR off and on for about 45 years. (Much too long but had missed some big DXpeditions over the years because I was moving from one QTH to another.) Now have 345 all time and the 331 current needed for HR. Can't believe I finally made it!

73, N4KZ

Well deserved and congratulations! I've had many moves between different college programs & work that I've had to miss many past opportunities. Glad you finally made up those missing Qs.

73, Gary KA1J
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W1VT on January 24, 2015, 10:54:18 AM
Congratulations Dave N4KZ on making Honor Roll!

I was able to get my CW QSO--#297--in time to avoid the weekend warriors  ;)

Zack W1VT
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 24, 2015, 11:00:28 AM
Congrats on a great achievement,

What's OH2BH doing there he isn't listed as a team member,


Trevor
EI2GLB


Whew. Needed EP6T to make Honor Roll but had been away on business most of the week. Hurried home this (Saturday) morning and snagged a Q on 12m SSB with OH2BH at the EP6T mic. It was about 20 minutes after local sunrise. A joyous time in my shack! Been working on DXCC HR off and on for about 45 years. (Much too long but had missed some big DXpeditions over the years because I was moving from one QTH to another.) Now have 345 all time and the 331 current needed for HR. Can't believe I finally made it!

73, N4KZ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 24, 2015, 12:13:24 PM
Whew. Needed EP6T to make Honor Roll but had been away on business most of the week. Hurried home this (Saturday) morning and snagged a Q on 12m SSB with OH2BH at the EP6T mic. It was about 20 minutes after local sunrise. A joyous time in my shack! Been working on DXCC HR off and on for about 45 years. (Much too long but had missed some big DXpeditions over the years because I was moving from one QTH to another.) Now have 345 all time and the 331 current needed for HR. Can't believe I finally made it!

73, N4KZ

FANTASTIC!!  And......... you did NOT have to use RHR to accomplish it.  ;D

Well Done!

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WA4IIF on January 24, 2015, 01:17:38 PM
Congratulations N4KZ! This morning (around 1300Z-1400Z) I had a window of about 30 minutes that I was receiving EP6T well on 12 meter SSB. However, I didn't get through for an ATNO (not the HR). I'll keep trying.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 24, 2015, 03:22:41 PM
Finally was able to work EP6T this morning on 20m CW. He was initially on 14183 SSB working W6/W7. He struggled pulling call signs from the huge pileup and then I heard him say "very difficult to work anyone so QSY on CW". I immediately QSYed and started tuning around. Their usual frequency 14033 was occupied so I knew they will show up on another one. I thought, if I find him before others do, I may have a chance. Couple of minutes later WX6V spotted him on 14027.5 and I thought "Oh no, it's all lost now". I quickly tuned on 14027.5 and heard him below a very strong NA signal who was rag chewing on that frequency. Amazingly, the rag chewer did not bother me too much because I could still copy EP6T. I heard him working somebody up 2. I quickly went up 2 and started calling. He came back to KT1AP. The adrenalin started to kick in. I repeated my call sign couple of more times. He paused for 5-10 seconds and I thought "he can't copy me and will move on". Then I sent my call two more times and heard him say K0AP?? 599. I sent RRR 599 and finally heard him K0AP TU. One minute later hundreds were calling and it was all over. Then he started asking for W6/W7 only. It was a race with the time and it paid off at the end. Big thanks to the operator who did not give up until we completed the Qso. This is a new DXCC for me but more importantly a new rare IOTA AS-166. I consider my self very fortunate to be able to work them because I know that many people in the Midwest with much better antennas and more power are still looking for their first Qso.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 24, 2015, 05:20:34 PM
Finally was able to work EP6T this morning on 20m CW. He was initially on 14183 SSB working W6/W7. He struggled pulling call signs from the huge pileup and then I heard him say "very difficult to work anyone so QSY on CW". I immediately QSYed and started tuning around. Their usual frequency 14033 was occupied so I knew they will show up on another one. I thought, if I find him before others do, I may have a chance. Couple of minutes later WX6V spotted him on 14027.5 and I thought "Oh no, it's all lost now". I quickly tuned on 14027.5 and heard him below a very strong NA signal who was rag chewing on that frequency. Amazingly, the rag chewer did not bother me too much because I could still copy EP6T. I heard him working somebody up 2. I quickly went up 2 and started calling. He came back to KT1AP. The adrenalin started to kick in. I repeated my call sign couple of more times. He paused for 5-10 seconds and I thought "he can't copy me and will move on". Then I sent my call two more times and heard him say K0AP?? 599. I sent RRR 599 and finally heard him K0AP TU. One minute later hundreds were calling and it was all over. Then he started asking for W6/W7 only. It was a race with the time and it paid off at the end. Big thanks to the operator who did not give up until we completed the Qso. This is a new DXCC for me but more importantly a new rare IOTA AS-166. I consider my self very fortunate to be able to work them because I know that many people in the Midwest with much better antennas and more power are still looking for their first Qso.

73 Dragan K0AP

Congrats Dragan.  I listened for a minute to the animated discussion when they QSY'd from SSB, then had the same idea looking for them to come up on CW.  I was right there but simply couldn't copy them under the ragchew on 27.5.  Right idea but couldn't execute...
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K5PS on January 24, 2015, 05:41:14 PM
Tried very hard during an extremely brief opening here in TX this morning on 15m SSB, but no luck.

C'est la vie. On to K1N!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5VYS on January 24, 2015, 05:47:58 PM
Congrats Dragan. I know the feeling been there before.

Obie N5VYS
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4KZ on January 24, 2015, 06:04:23 PM
Thanks for all the kind words. I appreciate them all.

73, Dave, N4KZ
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 24, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
K1N next...I only got one out of their debacle. Hey, at least you gave it your best shot! :)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 25, 2015, 05:43:29 AM
Band conditions must be down today. They were spotted on a few bands but I can't hear them at all (15,17, etc). Earlier in the week they had nice strong signals.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 25, 2015, 06:01:40 AM
Band conditions must be down today. They were spotted on a few bands but I can't hear them at all (15,17, etc). Earlier in the week they had nice strong signals.

At this moment I could hear them very well on 14183 LP. They are asking for NA but working at a very slow rate, 1 Qso in 2-3 minutes. Out of turn callers are not helping the situation either.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W5RDW on January 25, 2015, 07:38:59 AM
Heard them an hour ago on 20 m LP with nice signal. The bummer is, I do not need them on 20. I worked Iran during the Shah's reign in the 70's! Wanted them on 80m, but all I could hear were the hoards on the east coast calling them!  ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 25, 2015, 08:36:22 AM
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Wanted them on 80m, but all I could hear were the hoards on the east coast calling them!

It wasn't a cake walk on 80m from the East Coast. I don't think that they could hear very well on the lower bands with their local RFI


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 25, 2015, 09:39:50 AM
What a waste of time. Come on K1N :)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 25, 2015, 10:04:54 AM
How often is the log update? There doesn't seem to have been a log update since yesterday morning.


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AB3CX on January 25, 2015, 10:12:22 AM
Band conditions must be down today. They were spotted on a few bands but I can't hear them at all (15,17, etc). Earlier in the week they had nice strong signals.
They sounded good on 10M CW today.  Tonight is my last chance for 80 CW, and I hope they happen to be doing CW on 20M, have not been on the air when they were doing that yet
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 25, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
Lots in EU struggling to work them on 80m,

So can't imagine how hard it must be from NA,

Unless you have a 4 square or something special, dipole at 30ft ain't going to cut it unless your really lucky,

Trevor
EI2GLB
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 25, 2015, 02:05:20 PM
If I had needed anything more than bandfills on this fiasco, I would be Just About pissed by now.

I should have given my donation to my worthless brother to drink beer on. At least someone would
be happy now.

Every day around this time 2200Z or so, they have been WIDE ASS OPEN to Fla.  WHO do they work?  EVERYDAY? EU JA EU JA EU JA. EVERYDAY.   

Someone has not been/is not  using their head.

Gene AF3Y

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 25, 2015, 02:17:32 PM
I managed to get one Q out of this fiasco. Gene, I think we'll do better with K1N. What do you think ?

Tom N3ZC
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 25, 2015, 02:43:37 PM
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Lots in EU struggling to work them on 80m,

So can't imagine how hard it must be from N

I did it with my half wave sloper, so you never can tell.


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 25, 2015, 02:49:52 PM
I feel very fortunate to have my one QSO with EP6T for an ATNO.

Last thing I would consider doing is openly criticizing the ops, their methods, or their results. We can only assume the myriad of reasons so many are left wanting in our part of the world...we don't know, we aren't there.

When their team gets back home, hopefully some insight into their noise/QRM/QRN issues will be disclosed.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 25, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
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When their team gets back home, hopefully some insight into their noise/QRM/QRN issues will be disclosed.

Their website talked about interference that was coming from the battery chargers used in the scooter rental store next to them. Their licence was for a specific location and so they were unable to relocate.


Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KE4KY on January 25, 2015, 04:02:40 PM
Their website talked about interference that was coming from the battery chargers used in the scooter rental store next to them. Their licence was for a specific location and so they were unable to relocate.

Mark N1UK

See..already explanations re: issues faced by the EP6T team!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 25, 2015, 04:07:03 PM
I managed to get one Q out of this fiasco. Gene, I think we'll do better with K1N. What do you think ?

Tom N3ZC
Should not be a problem.  The team going
to Navassa will exhibit pileup control at its best. Wait and see. Listen and enjoy :D

Problem with EP6T, for WHATEVER reason, is almost total disarray of the pile. The few times I listened,
I never heard anything like a great DX op can get usually get going........ A rhythm, you know? I just have not heard it once from this group.

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 25, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
I managed to get one Q out of this fiasco. Gene, I think we'll do better with K1N. What do you think ?

Tom N3ZC
Should not be a problem.  The team going
to Navassa will exhibit pileup control at its best. Wait and see. Listen and enjoy :D

Problem with EP6T, for WHATEVER reason, is almost total disarray of the pile. The few times I listened,
I never heard anything like a great DX op can get usually get going........ A rhythm, you know? I just have not heard it once from this group.

73, Gene AF3Y
High noise can ruin your radio day for sure. Obviously this is why they had no rhythm 30M and lower. I can't believe they busted my call somehow 40M LP when I was the first caller and they were S9. Kind of like the Sunday evening when they were S7 on 30M for an hour down here in Texas. The next morning S7 on 17M for a half hour. They can't hear !

Like many others here. I put in a lot of time on this. Quickly learned though when the short openings might be. Also if they are not strong, don't bother calling. Nothing new except the mobile QSO it seems.

Actually heard them quite often. Usually only 15 minutes, then gone.

73 and GH
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N1UK on January 25, 2015, 07:31:35 PM
I put in 5 nights of fruitless calling on 30m cw, after that I didn't bother anymore. I did OK on the other bands but 30m was not to be.


73 Mark N1UK
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4CR on January 25, 2015, 07:31:51 PM
Too bad they couldn't get away from the noise problem. It was certainly killing their ears.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB3LIX on January 25, 2015, 07:40:30 PM
Well,

The jammerz won one tonight.
They were fairly strong on 40 cw, but some IDIOT (I could call him
MUCH worse names) started sending strings of CQ's
and other jibberish on top of EP6T.

They went QRT, no one could hear them.

That was my last chance this activation.

I REALLY wish I understood the idea of someone
getting their rocks off causing interference.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 25, 2015, 07:44:04 PM
Too bad they couldn't get away from the noise problem. It was certainly killing their ears.

I think their real problem was that they were REALLY REALLY weak when we heard them. That contributed to the jammers and our inability to pull them out DESPITE the jammers.

For all the hype, pretty sad for most DXers.

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2NL on January 25, 2015, 07:58:27 PM
For most of the past week, either the 80m or 160m EP6T op was logged into the ON4KST Topband Chat page, sometimes answering questions and chatting.  They really were trying hard, but the QRN was incessant.  There was notable frustration tonight from the op tonight who was being told that he was S9 in NA on 80m but he was only hearing S9 noise on his end with no signals being heard at all.  We all have dealt with similar situations with line noise, etc, and it sucks.

I for one am very appreciative for their efforts.  Sure, there are times when I'm in the pileup trying to make a QSO and not making headway and I get frustrated too.  But once the dust settles, they did after all go through the effort to put on the DXpedition, and for that I am thankful.  Conditions were not favorable to them - the AU oval tonight was in the red.  Historically, conditions in the Dec/January months are not the greatest.  I suspect they would have spent more time working NA had there been propagation and had they been able to hear callers over the QRN.

I hope their venture to get more EP operators on the air is successful, and that some of them get QSL managers so there are opportunities for those who didn't work them to work and confirm Iran without the $10 postal charge.

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 25, 2015, 08:01:47 PM
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Wanted them on 80m, but all I could hear were the hoards on the east coast calling them!

It wasn't a cake walk on 80m from the East Coast. I don't think that they could hear very well on the lower bands with their local RFI

Six evenings trying and nothing for my trouble on 80. Not happy, but at least I got 'em on 7 bands and 3 modes. Congrats on making it. I'm jealous <G>.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 25, 2015, 08:25:58 PM
I hope their venture to get more EP operators on the air is successful

The big challenge will be how to equip the newly licensed hams.  Communication equipment is banned from being imported under the U.N. sanctions.  So the only option would be to home brew using recycled parts (new electronic parts are prohibited too under the sanctions).

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KH6DC on January 25, 2015, 08:51:41 PM
Did not work them on any bands or modes, unable to hear them at all but thank you for the DXpedition, you did an awesome job despite poor operating and propagation conditions.  It seems kind of suspicious that every time they wanted to operate North America, some dignitaries showed up for a tour.  ???
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5PG on January 26, 2015, 12:01:18 AM
I heard them at workable strength just once - 1/25 20m cw LP around 1500Z, of course 20m CW is what I already have for my one and only EP QSO/QSL  so I didn't call them at all.

Looking at their website they had quite a few officials visiting so that affected operations.  We had not very good condx, I think many of the ops were simply overwhelmed and the good CW op(s) weren't QRV at good times for us. Lastly they had lots of noise on receive, I wonder just how much choice they had in their actual operating QTH ?

Anyway, they blazed a trail so we should be thankful for that and give them due credit, hopefully it's a good start for the future.

73, Paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AJ7G on January 26, 2015, 02:49:05 AM
Yes, I think the EP6T team did a fantastic job.  Propagation condx weren't the best at my QTH according to what I witnessed and according to ACE-HF program.  Band condx started out to be favorable but deteriorated through the course of this dxpedition from my QTH.  Thanks EP6T team!!

73 Randy AJ7G
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 26, 2015, 03:48:11 AM
Fantastic job? ??? Where?, handling pileups? ::) Could I have done better? No, but I didn't go on the DxPed either. Not whining, I got one Q, lots of folks got none, but the EUs cleaned-up.  >:(

73'
Tom N3ZC

EU= 69.7%  :o
Asia= 17.4% ;D
NA = 9.8%  ::)

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AJ7G on January 26, 2015, 04:48:46 AM
Do you want a little cheese with the whine??  Next time just sign up for the dxpedition and then you can tell us how it was.  EU did clean up and was still complaining about NA, wow.  It did help that my study desk is about 5 feet away from the radio and the cluster alarm was on.  K1N should show better results for NA
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 26, 2015, 04:57:34 AM
Cheese with my whine? Got any new cliche's? ;D why don't you sign up? I am 62 and have brain cancer or I would sign up ;)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 26, 2015, 05:04:59 AM
Fantastic job? ??? Where?, handling pileups? ::) Could I have done better? No, but I didn't go on the DxPed either. Not whining, I got one Q, lots of folks got none, but the EUs cleaned-up.  >:(

73'
Tom N3ZC

EU= 69.7%  :o
Asia= 17.4% ;D
NA = 9.8%  ::)

And now I'd like to see the funding percentages broken down by continent.

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K4JK on January 26, 2015, 05:27:41 AM
Looks like I missed this one but I simply didn't have adequate butt-in-chair time. When I did have shack time the RFI was obviously bothering them because their rate was extremely slow. Thought I could get them on 40 Sunday evening US time but they disappeared several times and the QRM was awful.

Did manage to work FW5JJ yesterday though!  ;D

Time get get ready for Navassa!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K2DFC on January 26, 2015, 05:44:33 AM




And now I'd like to see the funding percentages broken down by continent.

John AE5X
[/quote]

This is what I want to see also.

NW NJ must be in a black hole. I almost never heard them. When I did the pileup was huge. Most likely form those who just had to have that 8th qso. So I struck out.

Fred
K2DFC
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 26, 2015, 06:18:44 AM
Just read on a Dutch blog (see below) that one of the ops at EP6T directed ON and PA DXers (in Dutch) to a special split freq so he could work them.

I'll never donate another dime to this team.

http://pe4bas.blogspot.com/2015/01/ep6t-at-end-of-dxpedition.html

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KW4CQ on January 26, 2015, 06:26:09 AM
I wish the team had limited contacts to one per customer regardless of band or mode and their logging software set up to strictly control that.  On these "Most Wanted" dxpeditions more people should be given the chance to work at least one ATNO and let others have a chance at a new one.  But, as Gordon Gekko once said, "Greed, for the lack of a better word, is good".   I even heard people working the EP6 and then working them within minutes a second and even a third time on the same band and mode.   I wasn't one of the lucky ones with EP6T but I'll be happy as a clam with just one Navassa Is. in the log and then bow out.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 26, 2015, 06:30:15 AM
Just read on a Dutch blog (see below) that one of the ops at EP6T directed ON and PA DXers (in Dutch) to a special split freq so he could work them.

I'll never donate another dime to this team.

http://pe4bas.blogspot.com/2015/01/ep6t-at-end-of-dxpedition.html

John AE5X

Gelieve waar ben je EP6T??
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 26, 2015, 06:46:49 AM
Lovely :)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 26, 2015, 06:48:03 AM
As I keep saying its not pay per QSO, Large amount's of people in EU just don't have spare cash to sponsor anyone,
People have to stop thinking 5 or 10 bucks buys them a QSO it doesn't neather does 500 or 5000

And they did spend along time calling for NA, maybe they did it at the wrong time and missed lots of openings but they did try,

There location seems to have been terrible nothing they can do about it, they should have forgot about 80 and 160 and gave everyone a shot at an ATNO on 20 and 30 as those are the money bands no matter what,

But if they did that people would complain as well,

Not the first time I've heard of secret frequencies for club members and friends it sucks but its there show so we have to accept how they run it,

Trevor
EI2GLB

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB2FCV on January 26, 2015, 06:58:49 AM
They weren't real strong on 15m this morning but heard them ok on cw and ssb. I tried but no luck. I'll have to either try to work one of the few active hams or wait until the next dxpedition.

I think the EP6T team did a good job with the circumstances they faced. They did call out for NA a fair amount but just could not pick a lot of us out of their QRM. There may have been a few lucky / skiled smaller stations that got through but I think mostly bigger US stations were able to make it. The DQRM'ers seem to get worse each dxpedition which really creates most of the frustration for me. I gave it my best shot to work them. I may have even scored permission to put up a tower from my wife out of this one. I'll work Iran someday. On to K1N next.. I'm hoping for much better luck there.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 26, 2015, 07:12:41 AM

Not the first time I've heard of secret frequencies for club members and friends it sucks but its there show so we have to accept how they run it,

Yes, we do have to accept it - it's their DXpedition after all. But we can choose to accept it on our own financial terms as well.

Your statement that Europeans don't have excess funds to donate is limp-wristed. If anyone has the financial ability to put together a DX station, they have the ability to donate as well. If you're a DXer, donations to the expeditions you choose to work should be thought of as a necessary shack accessory. To do so requires a change of mind-set...to think of oneself as an active and fully participating DXer rather than operating as a parasite, benefitting from the contributions of others.

John AE5X

Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WA4IIF on January 26, 2015, 07:14:29 AM
Finally! Bagged EP6T around 1430Z on 12 meter CW for an ATNO (and I think #314). I don't like cutting it so close to QRT time for the DXpedition -- but better late than never. Regardless of what one might complain about: high noise level and band/mode selection (at their end), propagation conditions, DQRM, tuner-uppers, out-of-turn callers, DX cops, EU whining, pileup width and depth, etc., concerning this DXpedition, I found that I could hear EP6T at predictable times of the day often with a decent (sometimes strong) signal. So even if I had struck out I would have felt I had my share of opportunities for a contact and would have been satisfied with that (although disappointed). I did contribute $ in advance of the DXpedition, but don't feel that it would have been wasted $ even if I hadn't gotten through. Overall lesson: be persistent; don't give up.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI9KC on January 26, 2015, 07:45:48 AM

Not the first time I've heard of secret frequencies for club members and friends it sucks but its there show so we have to accept how they run it,

Yes, we do have to accept it - it's their DXpedition after all. But we can choose to accept it on our own financial terms as well.

[............]
John AE5X

They havn`t got secret QRG for club members or friends that moment ... they just asked Dutch stations up 8 or something like that. Normal practice spotted many times on the air by Italian / French / Polish .... teams. What is wrong with that? Just learn foreign languages and you will be able to have one more chance to work DX easier than normal. GL
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 26, 2015, 07:52:54 AM
Finally! Bagged EP6T around 1430Z on 12 meter CW for an ATNO (and I think #314).

Congrats on the ATNO Chuck!

Regardless of what one might complain about: high noise level and band/mode selection (at their end), propagation conditions, DQRM, tuner-uppers, out-of-turn callers, DX cops, EU whining, pileup width and depth, etc., concerning this DXpedition, I found that I could hear EP6T at predictable times of the day often with a decent (sometimes strong) signal. So even if I had struck out I would have felt I had my share of opportunities for a contact and would have been satisfied with that (although disappointed). I did contribute $ in advance of the DXpedition, but don't feel that it would have been wasted $ even if I hadn't gotten through. Overall lesson: be persistent; don't give up.

Very well said.  IMHO the team deserves praise not ridicule.  They do what they do for the love of Ham Radio.  As a DX'er we have to remind ourselves that they don't 'owe' us anything!  For a variety of reasons the team has announced that it was very difficult to work N.A.  I sincerely believe a lot of contributing factors were out of their control (i.e. propagation and local QRM).

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 26, 2015, 08:09:11 AM
Not going to get in to a economics debate with you, I donate to expeditions that I want to, I didn't donate to this one but I will give extra when i do OQRS for a card,



Not the first time I've heard of secret frequencies for club members and friends it sucks but its there show so we have to accept how they run it,

Yes, we do have to accept it - it's their Expedition after all. But we can choose to accept it on our own financial terms as well.

Your statement that Europeans don't have excess funds to donate is limp-wristed. If anyone has the financial ability to put together a DX station, they have the ability to donate as well. If you're a DXer, donations to the expeditions you choose to work should be thought of as a necessary shack accessory. To do so requires a change of mind-set...to think of oneself as an active and fully participating DXer rather than operating as a parasite, benefitting from the contributions of others.

John AE5X


Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AF3Y on January 26, 2015, 08:13:09 AM

Your statement that Europeans don't have excess funds to donate is limp-wristed. .

John AE5X


You should have said HORSE MANURE.

I have just about had my fill of these stiff upper lippers with one damned
excuse after another.

73, Gene AF3Y
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 26, 2015, 08:20:57 AM
Finally! Bagged EP6T around 1430Z on 12 meter CW for an ATNO (and I think #314).

Congrats on the ATNO Chuck!

Regardless of what one might complain about: high noise level and band/mode selection (at their end), propagation conditions, DQRM, tuner-uppers, out-of-turn callers, DX cops, EU whining, pileup width and depth, etc., concerning this DXpedition, I found that I could hear EP6T at predictable times of the day often with a decent (sometimes strong) signal. So even if I had struck out I would have felt I had my share of opportunities for a contact and would have been satisfied with that (although disappointed). I did contribute $ in advance of the DXpedition, but don't feel that it would have been wasted $ even if I hadn't gotten through. Overall lesson: be persistent; don't give up.

Very well said.  IMHO the team deserves praise not ridicule.  They do what they do for the love of Ham Radio.  As a DX'er we have to remind ourselves that they don't 'owe' us anything!  For a variety of reasons the team has announced that it was very difficult to work N.A.  I sincerely believe a lot of contributing factors were out of their control (i.e. propagation and local QRM).

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Congrats WA4IIF and I resoundingly agree with the W6GX comments.  Barring a miracle I won't get into the log, but I'm very grateful to the team for their sacrifices and hard work.  I think they made an effort to get the NA percentages up, but just wasn't possible for a variety of reasons.  I'm still glad to be an upfront supporter and wish everyone on the team safe travels back home.  Thanks for going guys!
 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9OY on January 26, 2015, 08:40:56 AM
I hope their venture to get more EP operators on the air is successful

The big challenge will be how to equip the newly licensed hams.  Communication equipment is banned from being imported under the U.N. sanctions.  So the only option would be to home brew using recycled parts (new electronic parts are prohibited too under the sanctions).

73,
Jonathan W6GX

So you really think anyone pays attention to UN sanctions?

73 W9OY
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 26, 2015, 08:59:41 AM
I hope their venture to get more EP operators on the air is successful

The big challenge will be how to equip the newly licensed hams.  Communication equipment is banned from being imported under the U.N. sanctions.  So the only option would be to home brew using recycled parts (new electronic parts are prohibited too under the sanctions).

73,
Jonathan W6GX

So you really think anyone pays attention to UN sanctions?

73 W9OY

It's not up to the Iranian hams to obey or disobey the sanctions.  Moving products between countries is controlled by customs.  The U.S. Customs will not allow pretty much anything to be shipped from the U.S. to Iran.  I have first-hand knowledge of one Iranian ham who had to homebrew all his equipment using parts salvaged from TVs and old AM radios.  He 'harvested' ferrite beads from USB cables.  He cannot buy an imported ferrite bead or transistor as a stand-alone part.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W2IRT on January 26, 2015, 09:03:59 AM

Not the first time I've heard of secret frequencies for club members and friends it sucks but its there show so we have to accept how they run it,
Yes, we do have to accept it - it's their DXpedition after all. But we can choose to accept it on our own financial terms as well.

Your statement that Europeans don't have excess funds to donate is limp-wristed. If anyone has the financial ability to put together a DX station, they have the ability to donate as well. If you're a DXer, donations to the expeditions you choose to work should be thought of as a necessary shack accessory. To do so requires a change of mind-set...to think of oneself as an active and fully participating DXer rather than operating as a parasite, benefitting from the contributions of others.

^^^^^^^^^^ THIS! 1000% THIS. I don't buy the "poor EU ops" argument in the slightest. Cheap, maybe. Poor (as a collective), no. And while I will probably donate, whatever I give will be a reflection of their performance overall.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 26, 2015, 09:08:29 AM
I've never meet a poor American sure ye are all mega rich with you oil fields and big hats and so on,  ;D ;D

I could go on but me lepracan wants to go to the pub  :P :P



Not the first time I've heard of secret frequencies for club members and friends it sucks but its there show so we have to accept how they run it,
Yes, we do have to accept it - it's their DXpedition after all. But we can choose to accept it on our own financial terms as well.

Your statement that Europeans don't have excess funds to donate is limp-wristed. If anyone has the financial ability to put together a DX station, they have the ability to donate as well. If you're a DXer, donations to the expeditions you choose to work should be thought of as a necessary shack accessory. To do so requires a change of mind-set...to think of oneself as an active and fully participating DXer rather than operating as a parasite, benefitting from the contributions of others.

^^^^^^^^^^ THIS! 1000% THIS. I don't buy the "poor EU ops" argument in the slightest. Cheap, maybe. Poor (as a collective), no. And while I will probably donate, whatever I give will be a reflection of their performance overall.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 26, 2015, 10:08:47 AM
Dang, I was just outside checking on my leaky oil well when my hat fell into the sticky mess. :P :P
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9XX on January 26, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
I am loaded with cash.

I was outback shooting at some food when up came a some bubbling crude.  $$$    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


This was a DUD.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 26, 2015, 10:31:40 AM
Yupper..I'm a moving' to Beverly (Hills that is..swimming pools, movie stars)  ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 26, 2015, 11:04:28 AM
Just learn foreign languages and you will be able to have one more chance to work DX easier than normal. GL

Excellent advice - maybe you could pass it along to your fellow EI, Trevor. He's under the mistaken notion that the issue is economics when in fact it's ethics.

Go raibh maith agat & 73,

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W9OY on January 26, 2015, 12:01:15 PM
Dang, I was just outside checking on my leaky oil well when my hat fell into the sticky mess. :P :P

So I got in the Rolls Royce and drove up to the big house to see if the Butler had made that contact with EP6T
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ6ZH on January 26, 2015, 01:41:15 PM
Heard them on Saturday morning on 40M CW long path with S7 sigs.  Even then, the jammers chased them off.
Seems like there are a heck of a lot of Extra Class hams in the US these days to be causing such pileups at 7.013!  Hmmmm.
All other times EP6T was ESP on all bands in N. Ca. 

EP6T never seemed to understand that CONUS has 3 time zones and just because you work US stations on 12 / 15 meters at 7 am East Coast, it doesn't mean you are giving the 6's and 7's a chance since it's still dark at 5 AM - as in NO PROPAGATION except line of sight!  They seemed to always favor East Coast both on times and bands.

So after 20 some years of DXing, still need this for an all time new one.  :'(
Don't look for me in the Navassa Is. pile ups, I worked this a long time ago on SSB and CW.
Let someone else get an ATNO and deal with the jammers.  Just remember to operate on the frequencies that your licence allows for.
Chris - KJ6ZH
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WO7R on January 26, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
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EP6T never seemed to understand that CONUS has 3 time zones

Um, that's actually four, not counting Alaska, which is technically on the continent.

Four for the old fashioned "lower 48".
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 26, 2015, 02:58:22 PM
EP6T never seemed to understand that CONUS has 3 time zones and just because you work US stations on 12 / 15 meters at 7 am East Coast, it doesn't mean you are giving the 6's and 7's a chance since it's still dark at 5 AM - as in NO PROPAGATION except line of sight!  They seemed to always favor East Coast both on times and bands.

Make that four time zones!  7am on the East Coast would be 4am in CA.  Propagation on EP6T really never favored the Western side of the CONUS.  As for Colorado I heard them very good on 20m and 40m LP.  I don't need EP on 20m.  But conditions varied greatly by the day.  Today they were very weak on 20m in the morning.

(http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/usstates/timezonenew.gif)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU1O on January 26, 2015, 03:07:06 PM

EP6T never seemed to understand that CONUS has 3 time zones and just because you work US stations on 12 / 15 meters at 7 am East Coast, it doesn't mean you are giving the 6's and 7's a chance since it's still dark at 5 AM - as in NO PROPAGATION except line of sight!  They seemed to always favor East Coast both on times and bands.


I didn't understand their choice of using the long path to work the West Coast on 20 meters and this is the first time in quite awhile I can't recall working an expedition on 20 meters. I don't ever recall them beaming short path to the East Coast on 20 and they were simply too weak via the LP.

I ran VOACAP for Los Angeles to Iran on 20 meters and the SP opening from 1400 to 1600 UTC looked a lot better than the LP opening they relied on.  

Don't you guys on the West Coast work that area of the world via short path on 20 meters and was their use of the LP on the 20 the best way to work as many West Coast stations as possible?

73,

Chris  NU1O
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 26, 2015, 03:24:08 PM
Just because its one country doesn't mean we have the same propagation, I have noticed in the past few years, even US newbie hams think the prop is the same
across the US. Geezz

LP this time of year is very good to that part of the world along with 99% salt water path.  Short path tends to open after Long path closes or not, but we are also dealing with
a polar path so, all bets are off.  For me Long Path was the desired direction, one the second day I heard them LP on 20m short path on 17m and 15m.
So you never know, in the end their signal was very strong on 20m LP, SP ESP.  Which I expected.   Oh, and 40m LP was very good.  Too bad they had all that noise.
VOACAP is crap, I've been saying this for a long time, it is very limited and wrong many times.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W0BTU on January 26, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Are they still operating on 160 CW?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5MOA on January 26, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Are they still operating on 160 CW?

per dx-world and their website:


"UPDATE – Antennas for 30, 80 and 160 are now down. Tonight they will focus on 40m. QRT tomorrow @0330GMT."


Faint on 40m cw here.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 26, 2015, 06:43:38 PM
From Colorado absolutely hands down LP over SP.  Peaking S7 on 40m in our morning and S9+ on 20m.  I did hear them on SP on 30m, 17m, and 15m.  I only bothered to call on 17m however it was in vain.  Keep in mind the East Coast has propagation advantage when there's a SP opening for us.  So only the very big stations in Colorado worked EP6T on the SP.  We're talking 3+ elements monobanders at 80' or more.  On LP via the greyline there's propagation advantage for those near the terminator.  For Denver there's a perfect greyline to Iran (our sunrise coincided with their sunrise)

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N6PSE on January 26, 2015, 07:05:17 PM
I've posted my thoughts on EP6T here:

http://n6pse.wordpress.com


Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 26, 2015, 07:29:42 PM
People have to stop thinking 5 or 10 bucks buys them a QSO it doesn't neather does 500 or 5000

This is where you are wrong. I, like many many other Hams, donate an extra 5 or 10$ with our OQRS QSL request. So if I make a contact, they make $5 or $10 donation. If I do NOT make a contact, no OQRS and no $5 or $10 donation. Pretty simple. The more uniques they work the more likely they are to have people like me donate $5 or $10 extra. I am not BUYING the QSO, but if I do not make a QSO they do not get $$$.  Multiply this by 10,000 contacts.

I often donate a SMALL amount up front, but I don't pay for other guys contacts with a station that I do not even contact. And don't tell me I am cheap; the VAST majority of guys who DO work the DXpedition STILL don't give them a single extra $ for their efforts.

The "reward" to the DXpedition for working uniques is an increased chance of extra $$$ in OQRS. I assumed everyone knew that already.

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 26, 2015, 07:53:40 PM
I checked the EP6T log for a few guys I know and was surprised to see all the "greenies."  Those were East Coast US fellows with well-equipped stations.  Some of them did exceedingly well, scoring 10 band/mode slots or more.  I've had to adjust my impressions accordingly: this was a reasonably workable expedition, if you had a nice station.  It was also workable (just barely) if you had an OK station on the East Coast.  Maybe I could have done better, but I gave up trying fairly early since I was just not finding the pileups to be enjoyable.  I was a bit disappointed but probably my expectations were too high.  I'll donate a bit, and look to a hopeful future with more resident hams!
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WO7R on January 26, 2015, 08:03:16 PM
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The "reward" to the DXpedition for working uniques is an increased chance of extra $$$ in OQRS. I assumed everyone knew that already.

For the really expensive destinations (and for basic fly-ins) it's about 12 per cent of the budget.  It's upwards of a quarter of the budget for the more "medium rare" locations that don't require a Braveheart to reach but cost more than getting off a plane.

So, yeah, it's important, but it's hardly the whole story.  I would presume that nobody is going to lay out 350K US and more, as Amsterdam did (Heard will even higher), and be banking on 12 per cent of revenue from us to break even.  That's nearly rounding error.

As far as I can tell, Amsterdam made it on donations, mostly beforehand.  These expeditions also have to shell out most of the money upfront, too, so our QSLing income, while not unimportant, probably doesn't make or break the DXpedition.

For an operation like Iran, I don't know what the costs are, but the issue there is surely permissions.  And maybe a plan to leave gear behind to newly minted hams.  From a cost point of view, the EP6T DXpedition itself ought to be in the fly-in cost range.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N6PSE on January 26, 2015, 08:36:09 PM
For the cost of our VP8 South Sandwich and South Georgia DXpeditions, the total budget is $425,000.

The team members will put up $210,000 and we need to raise $215,000 from the global DX Community. Our boat charter is in excess of $310,000. We need to raise as much money as we can before the DXpedition. Foundation and Club support is the cornerstone to our success.

OQRS will help after the event however the team cannot carry the financial burden until that happens. These kind of trips require a tremendous leap of faith by the organizers and the team.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: W6GX on January 26, 2015, 08:55:55 PM
this was a reasonably workable expedition, if you had a nice station.  It was also workable (just barely) if you had an OK station on the East Coast.

And it's also workable if you had no station :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KJ4Z on January 26, 2015, 08:59:31 PM
this was a reasonably workable expedition, if you had a nice station.  It was also workable (just barely) if you had an OK station on the East Coast.

And it's also workable if you had no station :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Zing!   ;D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 26, 2015, 09:19:25 PM
For the cost of our VP8 South Sandwich and South Georgia DXpeditions, the total budget is $425,000.

The team members will put up $210,000 and we need to raise $215,000 from the global DX Community. Our boat charter is in excess of $310,000. We need to raise as much money as we can before the DXpedition. Foundation and Club support is the cornerstone to our success.

OQRS will help after the event however the team cannot carry the financial burden until that happens. These kind of trips require a tremendous leap of faith by the organizers and the team.

Paul,

If what you are saying is that these mega-DXpeditions require the DX community to pony up BEFORE-HAND or the DXpedition will not take place, then we have a problem.

If we ALL agree that the fun of the chase is worth the cost of (say) $10 up-front, then $10 X 20,000 DXers+ $200,000. That is great. IN THEORY!!

But the reality is that very few people cough up money ahead of time. Europeans are notoriously cheap; they rarely (ever?) are the major continental contributor yet usually capture most of the QSOs. So why should the average DXer in America pay UP FRONT to support a DXpedition that will benefit all DXers in the world. That is not fair.

If we all agreed that to work the new DXpediton to XYZ we all had to contribute $5 UP FRONT or we were not " able to play", that would seem fair to me.

When I go to a movie, I pay for ME to see the movie. I assume that my money is not used to allow free-loaders to see the movie for free. Similarly, if I help fund a DXpedition "up front", is it unreasonable for me to assume that my money is not used to allow free-loaders to chase the DX for free?

I did not know my contribution in OQRS was so measly. This is a good discussion to have; I never thought about the idea of having to "pay a minimum amount to play" in the pile-ups, but there are many instances when we pay up front "cover charges" to have some fun. Maybe (in the long run) it would work, because only those who payed up front (who therefore have a chance for a QSL card) would be in the pileups and would be less likely to QRM. (Of course, the "non-payers" would jam away!).

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N6PSE on January 26, 2015, 10:35:55 PM
Paul, there are generous amateurs in the US, Japan and EU. Indeed our largest individual donation comes from the UK so I'm not comfortable calling anyone a freeloader.

There are inequalities and cultural differences in the current system. If everyone donated $10 up front you would have more rare and exciting activations. Instead, some give a lot and a lot give little. Donating after the DXpedition helps but it's the upfront donations that shape and mold what kind of DXpedition you will experience.

We've just gotten started raising money for our VP8 trip, let's see how it goes.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WO7R on January 26, 2015, 10:46:18 PM
Quote
If what you are saying is that these mega-DXpeditions require the DX community to pony up BEFORE-HAND or the DXpedition will not take place, then we have a problem.

If we ALL agree that the fun of the chase is worth the cost of (say) $10 up-front, then $10 X 20,000 DXers+ $200,000. That is great. IN THEORY!!

Something like that is what is actually starting to happen.

Did you pay attention the the financing of FT5ZM?  They were $ 30,000 USD in the hole when the took off in the boat.  Since most expenses for DXpeditions are "up front", they pretty much have to borrow (from somewhere) whatever it is they think we will pay after-the-fact.  And, decide whether to go or not at all!  They paid plenty as it was; they could have easily been stuck with a big bill, bigger than they had planned.

As it happened, that DXpedition came off well, but as I recall, most of the shortfall was made up before operations commenced.

Even if it wasn't, 30,000 out of a budget of 450,000 is already suggesting we are there in terms of up-front determining whether many DXpeditions happen.

The idea that we fund these things after the fact has been a joke for a long time.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncdxf.org%2Fmisc%2FN1DG-DXpeditioncosts-Dayton2012.ppt&ei=QTLHVJrJKMT6oQTW7oGADQ&usg=AFQjCNG_lvfPp3iX45q7EsDUAeWmzEmsGA&bvm=bv.84607526,d.cGU

It isn't quite as bad as 450K for all of them.  I don't have the financing for the Iranian one, but it was no doubt much more modest being basically a "fly in" type DXpedition.

DXpeditions come in all shapes and sizes, but for a lot of the really rare ones (or ones like Glorioso that are destined to again become rare), we are looking a over 400,000 to fund these.  A lot of it is for boats like the Braveheart when an expedition needs them or to take helicopters along.

Increasingly, in fact, we're seeing helicopter requirements.  We are for Navassa and the next Campbell will probably require it as well (there is a dock, but it is deliberately being allowed to rot away because it is an environmental sanctuary and was barely usable by the last group -- I saw their presentation).

So, costs are increasing not just because of inflation, but because the actual logistics for many places are simply getting worse and the demands by the officials for high levels of safety for the operators (which is not all bad) also jacks up the prices.  The days where you could just show up and climb some ancient rope ladder left behind ten years ago are rapidly coming to a close.

This means for whatever level we can each give, we're going to increasingly have to consider up-front giving.  QSL cards are not really saving the day.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 27, 2015, 04:08:07 AM
I posted earlier in the thread about how EP6T has converted me from a pre- to a post-DXpedition donor. Shortly thereafter I received a thoughtful email from the organizer of many DXpeditions in which he told me pretty much the same as N6PSE - that planners need the $$$ up front for many expenses in order for the DXpedition to take place.

He also suggested that I consider who the team members are if I want to target my donations - ie, that I base a pre- donation on a group's past performance.

I didn't work EP6T and they are the first DXpedition I've ever gone after and not worked. I diligently tried for the first half of the operation and then, as someone else mentioned, it stopped being enjoyable to chase them, for a number of reasons. I never expected the p/u's to be so large - even South Sudan had smaller pile-ups and they were the rarest country in the world due to being a brand new entity.

At some point, I cross-checked the individual members of the Rockall group - they gave me 9U4U on all bands 10-80m. Contrary to what's mentioned on the N6PSE blog, this wasn't their first rodeo. Most of those guys were the same ones I couldn't work at all as EP6T. The jammers were bad, I don't feel that band openings to my area were fully made use of, etc. FWIW, I heard EP6T loudest on 40m LP during my mornings. On one occasion, they quit early and on another they arrived late.  :'(

And the fact that one of the ops spoke in Dutch to the Dutch ops to QSY up to a "secret freq" so that they could easily be worked - that really rubs me the wrong way. The Rockall group will never see another donation from me.

I honestly don't know how I'll modify my policy for donations to other groups in the future but I really don't like being a host for parasites - and I don't want to be one myself.

Now on to Navassa...

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: G3RZP on January 27, 2015, 05:21:12 AM
Sunday afternoon/evening our time, they seemed very sensible on 18 MHz. They would stop working the EU pile up every so often and call for NA - and eventually, any station in the Americas. Not many replies so work them until there's no replies, back to working a few Europeans, stop again, and call for the Americas and so on....Keeps the rate up far better than just calling NA time after time and getting no or very few answers. Also does not get people so irritated.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 27, 2015, 05:58:01 AM
They would stop working the EU pile up every so often and call for NA - and eventually, any station in the Americas. Not many replies so work them until there's no replies, back to working a few Europeans, stop again, and call for the Americas and so on...

All this says is that they were calling for the Americas on the wrong band at the wrong time!

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K3STX on January 27, 2015, 06:09:28 AM
but I really don't like being a host for parasites - and I don't want to be one myself.

I am with you. I don't understand how a limited number of donors paying up-front while most DXers have fun at their expensive is anything OTHER than being a host for parasites.

I have always assumed my post-DXpedition money was multiplied by 10,000. Maybe DXpeditions really SHOULD require $10 payment to get the contact confirmed. It is not fair for us to get something for nothing.

paul
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NN3W on January 27, 2015, 07:17:59 AM
I think it was either Don Greenbaum or Eric Scace that did a presentation at Dayton showing the expenses involved in an island DXpedition.  The costs are substantial.  IIRC, the biggest ones are fuel and transport - which is a result of fuel.

Hopefully with crude dropping by 50%, part of that expense can be eliminated (for now).

I remember other expenses including food, tents, and customs duties.  Those duties should be substantially reduced with the right customs expertise.  Carnets, TIB entries, etc.

Ive probably been more of a post expedition contributor; I am rethinking that position.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5PG on January 27, 2015, 07:28:19 AM
I have no problem donating upfront IF the group going is credible and has a good track record. I certainly do NOT regard it as funding someone else's Qs. N1DG gave a talk at a Lone Star DX Assoc. club meeting and spent some time on the $$$ issues, it was most illuminating.
http://www.ncdxf.org/misc/N1DG-DXpeditioncosts-Dayton2012.ppt. (PowerPoint)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KF7CSO on January 27, 2015, 07:34:04 AM
I have always tried to donate $20.00-$50.00 up front for major dxpedtions. I haven't always made the logs, EP6T included, but that doesn't change anything. It just wouldn't feel right to me if I didn't help up front. I've even donated for dxpeditions I already had in the log. :) This is my hobby, and I choose to support it in this manner. I am not rich. If I were, I would contribute larger amounts or go help out on the damn things myself. :) (I would love to go to Heard)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0YQ on January 27, 2015, 07:46:47 AM
Jekyll and Hyde.

Any small station that donates up front to a DXpedition is being good-hearted at best, or an idiot at worst.  I donate upfront all the time and am currently torn on which description I fit. The MBA and Economist in me says idiot, the op in me says good-hearted.

The smart money model is certainly the W2IRT model:

"And while I will probably donate, whatever I give will be a reflection of their performance overall".

But the op in me knows that I'm paying upfront for the chance to work the team.  I appreciate them putting up their shekels and time and sweat to go.  Fair enough.  Good hearted.  Dr.  Jekyll. 

But then to watch the Leaderboard filled up by ops that DIDN'T PAY, only to be called a "G5RV guy" and a "complaining lil' pistol" makes clicking that Paypal button upfront tough to swallow.  Mr.  Hyde.

Jekyll and Hyde.

The DXpedition funding model sucks.

Off to VP8 site to donate!  :)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: AE5X on January 27, 2015, 08:06:05 AM
Here's a screenshot of the EP6T p/u on the 2nd to the last day of their operation - almost as intense as Day 1:

(http://www.ae5x.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ep6t.jpg)

John AE5X
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KB8GAE on January 27, 2015, 08:09:28 AM
The article by Don N1DG in the Fall 2012 NCDXF newsletter shows that the  major source of dxpedition funding come from the team members.  I would like to say thank you, thank you, and thank you again, to all of them.

I am a casual Dxer  but I’ve been a lot more active this last year since retiring from work,  joining LOTW, getting a new rig (Yaesu FT3000dx) and the excellent band conditions.  It is only within the last year after monitoring this forum that I have started to understand the funding issues.  I can see I have done some freeloading over the years and this year I am planning on contributing to the NCDXF.

Having said that I am similar to Paul K3STX,  I plan on contributing an amount that exceeds the costs of my qso’s to any Dxpedition that is seeking donations.  I don’t plan on donating up front at all.

EP6T has been highly criticized.  I think its fine to debate tactics but some of this got too personal for my tastes.  I respect the  Rockall  boys. I worked them  from TN2T and I thank them for their efforts in getting Iran on the air.  I did not and will not send a donation for EP6T.  Their operating tactics were designed to work the same stations big gun stations over and over and over. It is fine with me if that is what they want to do, but my money stays in my wallet on this one. I see no reason why a station that worked them 20 times wouldn’t send them $100.00  if it costs $5.00 per qso to put Iran on the air. 

Individual donations should be the major source of dxpedition funding. More should be done in places like QST and QRZ.COM  to educate all hams on the issues involved.  I would have no problem amending the Dx Code of Conduct to say that if you work a dxepedtiton that needs financial support the ethical thing to do is support it.

K1N has a strategy to keep a station on 20 meters round the clock and limit bands and modes.  IMHO dxepeditions to top 50 most wanted entities, who have a goal of as many ANTO’s as possible, should be following tactics similar to this.  It will be fun to see how it works out and how much support they receive.   

Rich KB8GAE





Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 27, 2015, 08:42:44 AM
Their operating tactics were designed to work the same stations big gun stations over and over and over.

K1N has a strategy to keep a station on 20 meters round the clock and limit bands and modes.  IMHO dxepeditions to top 50 most wanted entities, who have a goal of as many ANTO’s as possible, should be following tactics similar to this.  It will be fun to see how it works out and how much support they receive.   

Rich KB8GAE

I very much agree with your opinion Rich. EP6T allowed some EU stations to work them RTTY on 8 different bands. Why in the world would they want to operate RTTY on 8 bands unless they want to give green slots to as many stations as possible? Based on some comments I read, many EU little pistol stations could not make it into the log. I do not blame the stations that logged them on 24 band slots (see ON7GB), they were given the opportunity and they took it. Although I worked them on 2 bands and 2 modes I feel that EP6T did not execute up to the promises they made prior the dxpedition started. The expectations and promises were big but just below average delivery.

73 Dragan K0AP
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 27, 2015, 08:53:06 AM
I do not blame the stations that logged them on 24 band slots (see ON7GB), they were given the opportunity and they took it.

Just because you put food in the trough doesn't mean the pigs have to eat it.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K0AP on January 27, 2015, 08:58:31 AM
I do not blame the stations that logged them on 24 band slots (see ON7GB), they were given the opportunity and they took it.

Just because you put food in the trough doesn't mean the pigs have to eat it.


But then, they will not be called pigs if they leave food in the trough.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 27, 2015, 09:12:46 AM
I do not blame the stations that logged them on 24 band slots (see ON7GB), they were given the opportunity and they took it.

Just because you put food in the trough doesn't mean the pigs have to eat it.


But then, they will not be called pigs if they leave food in the trough.

You are right. At the public trough that is a DXpedition, most of the animals in the barnyard will take take a few bites and leave, happy and satisfied, but pigs will gorge. Of course, comparing real pigs to greedy DXers does the pigs a disservice. After all, they are only dumb animals.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: EI2GLB on January 27, 2015, 09:33:43 AM
Guys if any of you can work out how to get EU to donate them let us know,

I try to donate to the big ones, but its the same few EI's I see in the donation list every time,

Not sure what can be done to get more people involved,

Being called a free loading parasite doesn't help btw,
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: G3RZP on January 27, 2015, 09:39:31 AM
Back in the 'good old days' of the original Don Miller, W9WNV, expeditions, it was often said that those who didn't contribute could never get a QSO...I wouldn't like to see those days return.

Plus, some of those expeditions were never where he claimed them to be.....rather like Romeo and the 'Burma' operation!

But I wonder if LOTW and on line confirmations will reduce the contributions? Many of us who didn't contribute to an expedition individually (or maybe even did through our DX club or national society), would put maybe 10 pounds or 15 euros or 20 dollars or whatever in with the direct QSL as a contribution. With on line confirmations, will that still happen, or will people have to pay for a LOTW confirmation? Or will DXpeditioning become a 'pay up front' or don't get a QSO opertion?
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3QE on January 27, 2015, 09:46:07 AM
or will people have to pay for a LOTW confirmation? Or will DXpeditioning become a 'pay up front' or don't get a QSO opertion?

I am a strong enthusiastic financial supporter-in-advance of all DXpeditions and teams that have a track record or plan, of uploading to LOTW for all quickly.

My wallet is less open, for those that have "pay for faster QSL" policies.

Financially, "pay after the QSO for fast direct paper QSL" is counterproductive to the economics of DXpeditioning. Folks wait till after the DXpedition to send the money, the worst possible timing. And then a good chunk of the donation ends up paying for postage rather than actual DXpedition support. Don't get me wrong, I like paper QSL's too, but don't mind waiting for them to come by bureau if the LOTW upload was immediate.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 27, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Donations, leaderboard.....sure no rhyme or reason. Even here in the States there were 13+ greeny stations that gave little.

Now I have a crap antenna in crap area for DX. Yet I know which bands should be open and when. This info is passed along and usually acknowledged by the DXped. Then not acted upon.  So my donation is a give me to the greeny chasers ?

This DXped I passed along 40M LP would be open to western US. Likely well before their sunset. Say 1300Z or a bit later. This I did a month or two before their departure.
It was, the one time they showed at 1330Z. The other times they were on after 1400Z. Their signal was gone here at 1400Z. 1330Z was S9. Of course they worked western US stations from that time onward.

Upper band openings here were none or short lived.

My only equalizer in this chase was going to the beach on the Gulf Coast. Worked them there on 20M LP.
It is that Gulf Coast magic. Or any near coastline magic for working DX. Zone 4 leaderboard full of Gulf Coast area stations for this EP operation.

It is hard to say what they could have done with USA since they had the high noise. To be expected from an urban environment and fly in ?

Still less than 20% uniques is not good. Many stations with 10+ QSO's. Yes it sure turned out to be a greeny operation. I guess they were operating on a band for what they could hear given their limitations.

 I sure wanted that 40M QSO. I have about 325 on that band.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU4B on January 27, 2015, 10:12:10 AM
The article by Don N1DG in the Fall 2012 NCDXF newsletter shows that the  major source of dxpedition funding come from the team members.  I would like to say thank you, thank you, and thank you again, to all of them.

I am a casual Dxer  but I’ve been a lot more active this last year since retiring from work,  joining LOTW, getting a new rig (Yaesu FT3000dx) and the excellent band conditions.  It is only within the last year after monitoring this forum that I have started to understand the funding issues.  I can see I have done some freeloading over the years and this year I am planning on contributing to the NCDXF.

Having said that I am similar to Paul K3STX,  I plan on contributing an amount that exceeds the costs of my qso’s to any Dxpedition that is seeking donations.  I don’t plan on donating up front at all.

EP6T has been highly criticized.  I think its fine to debate tactics but some of this got too personal for my tastes.  I respect the  Rockall  boys. I worked them  from TN2T and I thank them for their efforts in getting Iran on the air.  I did not and will not send a donation for EP6T.  Their operating tactics were designed to work the same stations big gun stations over and over and over. It is fine with me if that is what they want to do, but my money stays in my wallet on this one. I see no reason why a station that worked them 20 times wouldn’t send them $100.00  if it costs $5.00 per qso to put Iran on the air. 

Individual donations should be the major source of dxpedition funding. More should be done in places like QST and QRZ.COM  to educate all hams on the issues involved.  I would have no problem amending the Dx Code of Conduct to say that if you work a dxepedtiton that needs financial support the ethical thing to do is support it.

K1N has a strategy to keep a station on 20 meters round the clock and limit bands and modes.  IMHO dxepeditions to top 50 most wanted entities, who have a goal of as many ANTO’s as possible, should be following tactics similar to this.  It will be fun to see how it works out and how much support they receive.   

Rich KB8GAE


I agree. At least K1N has a plan. Leaderboard or not, the work "all expeditions on all modes/all bands" genie is out of the bottle. If that's who the a dx'pedition is targeting, that's fine with me, but don't ask me to pay for it time after time - ask them to pay for it. Unless an expedition is pro active as possible to include as many as possible (as K1N is doing). I doubt many of us are willing to flush money down the toilet so the same people can work an expedition 20, 30 or 40+ times. I live on a limited income, and while I don't mind contributing more than my fair share, it would be foolish to just throw it away for someone else's entertainment all the time.

Unfortunately the EP6T gang ran into many obstacles. I saw where the solar flux went up 20 points as the expedition ended. Great timimg, Mr. Sun! I've worked some of the CW ops several times from other places and they were always doing a good job. I worked 9U4U without any problems. Congrats to the team for the EP6T expedition and to those that worked them. That one was tough. The best sigs here were on 17 meters in the morning. Usually they were working EU and by the time it was NA time their signal had faded to ESP. That the way it goes. I win some, I lose some.

But its the DXpedition that sets expectations. With the right publicity you can generate huge pile ups for a DXpedition to England. A DXpedition can't say they are going to work everybody and then do nothing to accomplish that goal.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: WS3N on January 27, 2015, 10:20:18 AM
At least K1N has a plan.

Smaller trough.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NU4B on January 27, 2015, 10:26:46 AM
At least K1N has a plan.

Smaller trough.


hahaha, well maybe not as many troughs. :) :)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N4KZ on January 27, 2015, 12:50:36 PM
I got my EP6T LoTW confirmations today (Jan. 27). That gives me 331 current entities. Next stop -- DXCC HR. Snow storm has kept the Newington folks out of the office today. Tomorrow, the application that will put me over the top. It's been a LONG time coming -- more than 40 years! When I look at the list of 9 current entities that I still need, I think I blew my chance to work nearly all of them at one time or another. The biggest reason? Looking over the dates of various past expeditions to the 9, I'd say moving from one QTH to another hurt me. Career moves had me moving a bunch of times. More than a dozen, in all. I missed several chances to work some really rare places. But the worst was the Georgian op in P5. I should have treated him as a short-time opportunity and made arrangements to work him as if he would be going off the air at any time. (Which he did.) Instead, I wrongly assumed that since he'd been on the air for a while that I'd be able to eventually get around to working him. Then one day some folks showed up at his door and told him his ham radio days were over and he was off the air. And I was SOL. Wo knows? Maybe someday when Dennis Rodman gets his ticket. LOL

Honestly, I've had my fill of pile-ups for a while. No sour grapes here but some of the on-air behavior in the pile-ups and the intentional QRM has been a real downer. I feel badly for new hams who never knew the days when pile-ups were more genteel -- particularly on CW. Now, it's often a zoo and rather embarrassing for anyone who might listen in.

But, hey, it's still the greatest hobby in the world. (46 years of ham radio and only 60. Where have all the years gone??)

73, Dave, N4KZ

 
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: NM6V on January 27, 2015, 02:36:38 PM
Dave,

Welcome to the HR club, congrats, nice to see that you made it.
I missed P5 also so don't feel bad.  P5 will come again.
Remember BY and ZA?

Henry
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on January 28, 2015, 07:53:25 AM
What a weird sub culture.
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 28, 2015, 08:49:39 AM
True Dat :D
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N2RJ on January 28, 2015, 11:20:25 AM
QRT
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N3ZC on January 28, 2015, 11:51:49 AM
Yup enough said about that mess ;)
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: N5UD on January 28, 2015, 02:17:07 PM
What a weird sub culture.

Maybe more weird when you have been on it a long time ? Like me only working them mobile these days.

73 N5UD
Title: RE: EP6T, Iran
Post by: K4FX on January 31, 2015, 04:07:08 PM
People can say what they want, this was a good expedition given the circumstances. It is tough enough being the business end of a big pileup, but to have the QRM'ers they had, forget about it.
I was pleasantly surprised to see a LoTW confirmation before they even got home.

It's a shame that this hobby has reached this level of professionalism. If you can't work them why on God's green earth would you try to prevent everyone else from working them? CBer's plain and simple

If we ever see N. Korea, we will truly see a mess with these CLOWNS....

Thanks a lot

Bill K4FX