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Author Topic: Icoms new IC-7610 Revealed  (Read 73688 times)
SWMAN
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« Reply #135 on: November 10, 2017, 09:07:11 PM »

               WOW !!
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« Reply #136 on: November 12, 2017, 11:20:44 AM »

Possible improvements to the IC-7610 that would make it a MUCH better rig....

1.  A "ZENKI" button, complete with skull and crossbones logo that raises IMD by 100x and turns up power and ALC levels to maximum to clear all the pesky FT8, JT65, JT-9 and PSK-31 users off of the bands during weekends.

2.  An "Asteroids" game function to give the operator something to do while running FT-8.

3.  An internet access point and some sort of packetized DRM digital modulation function to allow operators to make internet based contacts worldwide when the HF bands completely shut down and at least approach the capability of a basic cellphone.

4.  A single 3-500Z tube plugged into the top of the rig and glowing a cheery orange to warm the shack on cold winter days and to give retro-tech acolytes something to love.

5.  A BASIC interpreter that could be used to write and run "software defined" digital signal processing code on the IC-7610 to handle that last, critical bit of Hi-Fi bandwidth from 0-100Hz.  Subwoofer optional.




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« Reply #137 on: November 12, 2017, 05:58:02 PM »

Brian, that's AWESOME!  I was howling when I read this!

What about a feature that flashes the screen every 2 seconds during a pile-up, alternating messages for the viewer in subliminal fashion for 10 msec, with things like:

GET OFF MY LAWN
LIDS, KIDS AND SPACE CADETS
UP!  UP!
DARN THESE NO-CODE HAMS
TURN THE KNOB TO 11
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N6YFM
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« Reply #138 on: November 13, 2017, 03:52:04 PM »

Possible improvements to the IC-7610 that would make it a MUCH better rig....

1.  A "ZENKI" button, complete with skull and crossbones logo that raises IMD by 100x and turns up power and ALC levels to maximum to clear all the pesky FT8, JT65, JT-9 and PSK-31 users off of the bands during weekends.

2.  An "Asteroids" game function to give the operator something to do while running FT-8.

3.  An internet access point and some sort of packetized DRM digital modulation function to allow operators to make internet based contacts worldwide when the HF bands completely shut down and at least approach the capability of a basic cellphone.

4.  A single 3-500Z tube plugged into the top of the rig and glowing a cheery orange to warm the shack on cold winter days and to give retro-tech acolytes something to love.

5.  A BASIC interpreter that could be used to write and run "software defined" digital signal processing code on the IC-7610 to handle that last, critical bit of Hi-Fi bandwidth from 0-100Hz.  Subwoofer optional.


You forgot a few;

6.  Replace the left waterfall with large text that says;  Hunt with your ear, you LID!

7.  Replace the right waterfall with a large, readable Dual Clock, UTC and local, that is set by
     automatically decoding WWV or internet NTP.

8.  Install firmware options so that you can plug in Google Chrome-Cast (tm) to the USB port
     and watch Gomer Pyle  television re-runs on the 7 inch display.

9.  Since the CW crowd is aging and headed toward SK, and the JT & FT8 crowd has no bandspace left,
     install a firmware Modem that would convert FT-8 to automated CW, send it in the CW band segment,
     and in turn decode the automated CW, and relay it as FT-8 audio back to the software.    This would
     provide additional FT-8 bandwidth for us annoying No-Code licensees, and let us do our part to keep CW
     alive after all the previous generation is done selling off their CW keys for the INSANE SILLY prices we see
      on QRZ.com.     I mean, like, it's a mechanical switch, stupid! :-)  $250 !?!??!  $450 !?!?!??!

10.  The MARS / CAP mod should also enable 11 meters, while simultaneously increasing IMD on that one band.

[Neal ducks under the table to avoid all the people throwing power transformers and boat-anchors...]

N6YFM  (Just another highly annoying No-Code extra)
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K5WLR
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« Reply #139 on: November 14, 2017, 06:00:11 AM »

Possible improvements to the IC-7610 that would make it a MUCH better rig....

1.  A "ZENKI" button, complete with skull and crossbones logo that raises IMD by 100x and turns up power and ALC levels to maximum to clear all the pesky FT8, JT65, JT-9 and PSK-31 users off of the bands during weekends.

2.  An "Asteroids" game function to give the operator something to do while running FT-8.

3.  An internet access point and some sort of packetized DRM digital modulation function to allow operators to make internet based contacts worldwide when the HF bands completely shut down and at least approach the capability of a basic cellphone.

4.  A single 3-500Z tube plugged into the top of the rig and glowing a cheery orange to warm the shack on cold winter days and to give retro-tech acolytes something to love.

5.  A BASIC interpreter that could be used to write and run "software defined" digital signal processing code on the IC-7610 to handle that last, critical bit of Hi-Fi bandwidth from 0-100Hz.  Subwoofer optional.


You forgot a few;

6.  Replace the left waterfall with large text that says;  Hunt with your ear, you LID!

7.  Replace the right waterfall with a large, readable Dual Clock, UTC and local, that is set by
     automatically decoding WWV or internet NTP.

8.  Install firmware options so that you can plug in Google Chrome-Cast (tm) to the USB port
     and watch Gomer Pyle  television re-runs on the 7 inch display.

9.  Since the CW crowd is aging and headed toward SK, and the JT & FT8 crowd has no bandspace left,
     install a firmware Modem that would convert FT-8 to automated CW, send it in the CW band segment,
     and in turn decode the automated CW, and relay it as FT-8 audio back to the software.    This would
     provide additional FT-8 bandwidth for us annoying No-Code licensees, and let us do our part to keep CW
     alive after all the previous generation is done selling off their CW keys for the INSANE SILLY prices we see
      on QRZ.com.     I mean, like, it's a mechanical switch, stupid! :-)  $250 !?!??!  $450 !?!?!??!

10.  The MARS / CAP mod should also enable 11 meters, while simultaneously increasing IMD on that one band.

[Neal ducks under the table to avoid all the people throwing power transformers and boat-anchors...]

N6YFM  (Just another highly annoying No-Code extra)

Y'all forgot number 11....

11. If the operator turns all the transmit knobs to the right; and, just before the radio disappears forever into the ether, it turns into a large mouth and lets loose with a loud, long, juicy raspberry!

K5WLR (an annoying 20 wpm Extra who, because of tinnitus, cannot copy code worth a darn any more!  Cry )
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KC1BMD
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« Reply #140 on: November 14, 2017, 07:49:45 AM »

Not sure if this was mentioned but the iCOM America website doesn't say "Coming Soon" anymore over the 7610.
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AC7CW
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« Reply #141 on: November 14, 2017, 11:12:11 AM »

Possible improvements to the IC-7610 that would make it a MUCH better rig....

1.  A "ZENKI" button, complete with skull and crossbones logo that raises IMD by 100x and turns up power and ALC levels to maximum to clear all the pesky FT8, JT65, JT-9 and PSK-31 users off of the bands during weekends.

2.  An "Asteroids" game function to give the operator something to do while running FT-8.

3.  An internet access point and some sort of packetized DRM digital modulation function to allow operators to make internet based contacts worldwide when the HF bands completely shut down and at least approach the capability of a basic cellphone.

4.  A single 3-500Z tube plugged into the top of the rig and glowing a cheery orange to warm the shack on cold winter days and to give retro-tech acolytes something to love.

5.  A BASIC interpreter that could be used to write and run "software defined" digital signal processing code on the IC-7610 to handle that last, critical bit of Hi-Fi bandwidth from 0-100Hz.  Subwoofer optional.






That's it! My next project, right there... I already have the subwoofer too...
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« Reply #142 on: November 18, 2017, 08:56:08 AM »

....ZENKI, please stick to the science and stay away from the comedy routine.  There are already waaaay too many wannabe comics here and not enough knowledgeable science people.
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K6BRN
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« Reply #143 on: November 18, 2017, 01:56:53 PM »

Wow!  $4K for the IC-7610.  So much for a physically (and hence cost) simplified digital radio (like the IC-7300).

The IC-7610 must be built out of either "Unobtanium"  or "Gullibillium"  for Icom to charge that much.  Their little product SNAFU just before the first scheduled release date must have been just a tad more serious and expensive to fix than everyone thought.  Either that or Icom played the P.T. Barnum card ("a sucker born every minute") after seeing just how many pre-orders they accumulated.

Either way, I'll bet FlexRadio and others are grinning from ear to ear as the 7610 pre-orders are cancelled by the bushelful.

And thank you to all the early adopters who will pay the premium to purchase and debug this brand new radio.  What possibly could go wrong?

Isn't it a little strange that this "advanced" radio would have to depend on two very labor and parts intensive primitive copper/iron analog preselectors to be competitive?  Hmmmm.

Brian - K6BRN
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AC7CW
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« Reply #144 on: November 18, 2017, 02:23:11 PM »

....ZENKI, please stick to the science and stay away from the comedy routine.  There are already waaaay too many wannabe comics here and not enough knowledgeable science people.

Zenki probably thinks a hobby is for fun. What is he thinking?
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« Reply #145 on: November 18, 2017, 02:35:17 PM »

Wow!  $4K for the IC-7610.  So much for a physically (and hence cost) simplified digital radio (like the IC-7300).

The IC-7610 must be built out of either "Unobtanium"  or "Gullibillium"  for Icom to charge that much.  Their little product SNAFU just before the first scheduled release date must have been just a tad more serious and expensive to fix than everyone thought.  Either that or Icom played the P.T. Barnum card ("a sucker born every minute") after seeing just how many pre-orders they accumulated.

Either way, I'll bet FlexRadio and others are grinning from ear to ear as the 7610 pre-orders are cancelled by the bushelful.

And thank you to all the early adopters who will pay the premium to purchase and debug this brand new radio.  What possibly could go wrong?

Isn't it a little strange that this "advanced" radio would have to depend on two very labor and parts intensive primitive copper/iron analog preselectors to be competitive?  Hmmmm.

Brian - K6BRN

Whatcha talkin' about, Brian?

The price is a lot higher and the radio is a lot later than the original announcement, but your guess for the reason seems to be way off.  The real reason must have been something else.

In case you hadn't noticed Brian, Flex also uses "primitive copper/iron" Preselectors in the 6500, 6600, and 6700, radios.  Look at the specs!  http://www.flexradio.com/downloads/flex-6000-family-datasheet-pdf/


For the IC-7610, those preselectors have been in there since the original Icom announcement back in March, for example still on the QRZnow webpage at  http://qrznow.com/icom-ic-7610-official-announcent/
so it's not something new.



ICOM IC 7610 – Official Announcent
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Newly released full-fledged HF / 50 MHz band transceiver IC-7610 which realized dual watch function of different band / different mode by adopting RF direct sampling method.
Item name    HF + 50 MHz (SSB / CW / RTTY / PSK 31/63 / AM / FM) 100 W Transceiver
(for amateur radio)
Model name    IC-7610
Suggested retail price    368,000 yen + tax
Release date    Scheduled to be released in May 2017
Scheduled to be sold annually    3,000 units / year (including domestic / overseas)

Icom Co., Ltd. (Headquarters: Osaka-shi Hirano Ward, President: Tsutomu Fukui) will release the HF + 50 MHz fixed amateur radio transceiver IC-7610 from May 2017.

This unit adopts RF direct sampling system for signal processing. By converting the analog signal directly to a digital signal and processing it within the FPGA * 1 , it realizes improved transmission phase noise and excellent RMDR * 2 of 105 dB (at 1 kHz detuning) . Furthermore, it has two independent reception circuits of main / sub identical performance, and it enables simultaneous reception of two waves of different band / different modes.

Boasting high-speed, high-resolution performance, real-time spectrum scope also supports different bands / dual display that can monitor different modes. It also has a waterfall display function that displays received signals in chronological order. Also, the DIGI-SEL unit is mounted on each of the main side and the sub side of the receiver. Shut out powerful radio waves from shortwave broadcast stations.

....etc


73, Ed VE3WGO
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« Reply #146 on: November 18, 2017, 05:13:09 PM »

By the way for those that think you have to "go into some horrible menu" to change RF power, you are wrong.  To change RF power simply punch the multi knob in the nose. Twist the knob to adjust the power, and when done, punch the multi knob in the nose.  It all takes about 1/2 of a second. No horrible menus.  Same for keying speed in CW mode except after punching the multi knob in the nose press the cw speed icon if it was left on power and quickly adjust cw keying speed.  Then punch multi knob.  The system is far easier to operate and give far better control and readout than the independent knobs on my 756 pro 3.  The touch screen revolution is far better, far more efficient and far more precise.
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« Reply #147 on: November 18, 2017, 10:47:28 PM »

Wow!  $4K for the IC-7610.  So much for a physically (and hence cost) simplified digital radio (like the IC-7300).

The IC-7610 must be built out of either "Unobtanium"  or "Gullibillium"  for Icom to charge that much.  Their little product SNAFU just before the first scheduled release date must have been just a tad more serious and expensive to fix than everyone thought.  Either that or Icom played the P.T. Barnum card ("a sucker born every minute") after seeing just how many pre-orders they accumulated.

Either way, I'll bet FlexRadio and others are grinning from ear to ear as the 7610 pre-orders are cancelled by the bushelful.

And thank you to all the early adopters who will pay the premium to purchase and debug this brand new radio.  What possibly could go wrong?

Isn't it a little strange that this "advanced" radio would have to depend on two very labor and parts intensive primitive copper/iron analog preselectors to be competitive?  Hmmmm.

Brian - K6BRN

Really? There is a lot of frustration, annoyance and dislike in your comment. Compare the price to an equally equipped K3s system which would cost over $1,200 more. Or, the original price of an IC 7600 at $3,600. Did you expect a $2500 rig?

Yes, some have cancelled their pre-orders but per our local HRO it’s a loss less than you think.

Calm down, it’s just a hobby.
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« Reply #148 on: November 19, 2017, 04:45:09 AM »

Don +1

When I spoke to the folks at DXE, they said that there were some cancellations of the pre-orders. However, no more than they expected.
Business as usual.

ron
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« Reply #149 on: November 19, 2017, 04:49:21 PM »

K3S's are not selling cause Icom's little 7300 has been robbing sales from them, not because it better, the K3S in a lab has fantastic number but todays hams seem very happy with the decent performance gotten from the 7300 instead, its a hell of allot less money, has a real time spectrum display with waterfall, excellent sounding DSP plus you dont have to buy a bunch of filters and at the price you could buy two 7300 and still have cash left over. I almost forgot the RX and TX audio sounds superb next to any K3, there day in the sun has come and gone. From the few YouTube video's I have heard the 7610 just seem to improve on Icom's SDR platform.
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