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Author Topic: The good ol' days  (Read 11633 times)
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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2017, 08:30:07 PM »

I don't think that a real estate developer would appreciate huge ham antennas in any development where he is trying to sell homes.
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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2017, 09:25:36 PM »

This would seem to be part of the proliferation of socialism on the surface, but there may be a little more to it.  I truly do not understand the whole picture but let me introduce some conjecture anyway.  I am beginning to understand that one of the reasons antenna restrictions are so common in CC&R's and HOA rules is because they are required to be put there by the lenders to land developers.  So while I don't intend to defend any socialist ideal in the least bit, the proliferation of antenna restrictions may actually be a capitalist phenomenon.  I suppose that capitalists that fund land development have been insisting on boilerplate CC&R's that protect their investment.  Typically, once the developer pays off the lender, those requirements no longer stand, but the declarations remain practically irrevocable.

It's easy to villify the HOA (believe me I can't muster the least bit of endearment), but oftentimes the HOA is merely fulfilling their obligation to enforce the CC&R's.  This is one of those cases where I can't imagine why any red-blooded American wouldn't just do a half-assed job, but let's face it, the boards of HOA's tend to attract busybodies.

What I'm saying is that it's not the busybodies, the HOA's, or even the developers that are the root cause, but the capitalists funding the developers that have been insisting on antenna restrictions.  They're far from caring.  They see those stacks of boilerplate regulatory declarations as a checkbox on their list of requirements for their fiduciary responsibility.  If they neglected something they've  maintained for countless repetitions, they would have no excuse.

This is a case where individuals need protection from the capitalists.  That protection doesn't come through anything socialist, but through the rule of law, which is the proper function of the government of a republic.  The law needs to intervene and say these capitalists do not need whatever protection these declarations provided their investments unbiquitously.

If the declarations where not there to begin with, it would be very hard for the socialists to engender them.  Most HOA's need 2/3rd's or 80% vote of owners to do such a thing, and there's typically a very tiny minority of sidewalk superintendents that run those things, and the vast majority owners are absent (they just own rentals), or just hoping the HOA doesn't pay them any unwanted attention.
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« Reply #47 on: December 08, 2017, 07:01:52 AM »

This would seem to be part of the proliferation of socialism on the surface, but there may be a little more to it.  I truly do not understand the whole picture but let me introduce some conjecture anyway.  I am beginning to understand that one of the reasons antenna restrictions are so common in CC&R's and HOA rules is because they are required to be put there by the lenders to land developers.  So while I don't intend to defend any socialist ideal in the least bit, the proliferation of antenna restrictions may actually be a capitalist phenomenon.  I suppose that capitalists that fund land development have been insisting on boilerplate CC&R's that protect their investment.  Typically, once the developer pays off the lender, those requirements no longer stand, but the declarations remain practically irrevocable.

It's easy to villify the HOA (believe me I can't muster the least bit of endearment), but oftentimes the HOA is merely fulfilling their obligation to enforce the CC&R's.  This is one of those cases where I can't imagine why any red-blooded American wouldn't just do a half-assed job, but let's face it, the boards of HOA's tend to attract busybodies.

What I'm saying is that it's not the busybodies, the HOA's, or even the developers that are the root cause, but the capitalists funding the developers that have been insisting on antenna restrictions.  They're far from caring.  They see those stacks of boilerplate regulatory declarations as a checkbox on their list of requirements for their fiduciary responsibility.  If they neglected something they've  maintained for countless repetitions, they would have no excuse.

This is a case where individuals need protection from the capitalists.  That protection doesn't come through anything socialist, but through the rule of law, which is the proper function of the government of a republic.  The law needs to intervene and say these capitalists do not need whatever protection these declarations provided their investments unbiquitously.

If the declarations where not there to begin with, it would be very hard for the socialists to engender them.  Most HOA's need 2/3rd's or 80% vote of owners to do such a thing, and there's typically a very tiny minority of sidewalk superintendents that run those things, and the vast majority owners are absent (they just own rentals), or just hoping the HOA doesn't pay them any unwanted attention.

So....correct me if I'm wrong....what it all boils down to is that the mindset of CC&Rs, HOAs, etc., is because of CAPITALISM, not SOCIALISM.

If so....I think you're right. Here's another piece of the picture:

Where I live, things like keeping properties in decent shape are taken care of by nuisance ordinances, enforced by the local government. Which means.....taxes and a government department.

But with HOAs and CC&Rs, "smaller government" is possible, because the HOA does all that - paid for by HOA fees. And the HOA doesn't have to deal with things like simple majorities changing the rules, nor the Constitution.

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« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2017, 07:41:37 AM »

Where I live, things like keeping properties in decent shape are taken care of by nuisance ordinances, enforced by the local government. Which means.....taxes and a government department.

But with HOAs and CC&Rs, "smaller government" is possible, because the HOA does all that - paid for by HOA fees. And the HOA doesn't have to deal with things like simple majorities changing the rules, nor the Constitution.

I agree that can be true in many cases. However when you live in a more rural area where very few, if any, HOA's are present; then local government can make their own ordinances. And they are sometimes needed.

It is also possible that local ordinances predate an HOA development in their jurisdictions and have never been changed.
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« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2017, 08:11:14 AM »

Where I live, things like keeping properties in decent shape are taken care of by nuisance ordinances, enforced by the local government. Which means.....taxes and a government department.

But with HOAs and CC&Rs, "smaller government" is possible, because the HOA does all that - paid for by HOA fees. And the HOA doesn't have to deal with things like simple majorities changing the rules, nor the Constitution.

I agree that can be true in many cases. However when you live in a more rural area where very few, if any, HOA's are present; then local government can make their own ordinances. And they are sometimes needed.

It is also possible that local ordinances predate an HOA development in their jurisdictions and have never been changed.

And just as people say "if you don't like the rules in the HOA, you can petition the board to change them."   

The same can be said for local government.   

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« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2017, 10:16:26 AM »

Where I live, things like keeping properties in decent shape are taken care of by nuisance ordinances, enforced by the local government. Which means.....taxes and a government department.

But with HOAs and CC&Rs, "smaller government" is possible, because the HOA does all that - paid for by HOA fees. And the HOA doesn't have to deal with things like simple majorities changing the rules, nor the Constitution.

I agree that can be true in many cases. However when you live in a more rural area where very few, if any, HOA's are present; then local government can make their own ordinances. And they are sometimes needed.

It is also possible that local ordinances predate an HOA development in their jurisdictions and have never been changed.

And just as people say "if you don't like the rules in the HOA, you can petition the board to change them."   

The same can be said for local government.   



However, it is usually much easier to change or get a variance for an ordinance.

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« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2017, 01:45:30 PM »

Good ol' days in good ol' rural Texas: About every third ranch had an antenna hundreds of feet tall in the middle of a pasture. I never found out if they were for Cell service or what. One guy had a beam in his front yard. I used to compliment him on his yard on the repeater when I drove by. I could have built the most grandiose antenna farm and it would have gone unnoticed pretty muchly...
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« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2017, 10:21:06 PM »

The HOA is proof the socialist, communist, Marxist, liberal, Leninist and 'they' have crept into every facet of our lives.

So....correct me if I'm wrong....what it all boils down to is that the mindset of CC&Rs, HOAs, etc., is because of CAPITALISM, not SOCIALISM.

Indeed. The over-regulation that is experienced in the west can't be called socialism, communism, Marxism, liberalism, Leninism. It's neo-capitalist FASCISM. Perhaps more accurately: LEFT-FASCISM. I think this new word is required to accurately describe the current trends in West. After all, it is corporate entities that run the governments now in the west, i.e. fascism. But they dress it up as "health and safety" and other Orwellian slogans such as War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Slavery is Freedom, and the drugged masses buy right into it.

Even The Don wasn't allowed to erect a flag pole of a mere 80 feet height on his own property and had to pay $100,000 bribes to charity to have it allowed at a pitiful 70 feet. What chance do the rest of us have?

What lovely photos were posted above of the good old days. Freedom and responsibility has declined to micro-managed straight jacket existence. Those kids these days would not be allowed on the road, would have to wear luminous clothing, helmets and steel capped boots.

The moment they get off the plane to have a holiday in a free country like the Kingdom of Thailand however, the count-down begins: many of them die each year there from accidents of all kinds, since they're experiencing FREEDOM for the first time but never had any training nor experience of RESPONSIBILITY.
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