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Author Topic: WAZ LOTW When  (Read 1939 times)
K4HB
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2017, 08:14:30 AM »

Lots of different opinions here, so here's my 2¢ worth. Remember back a few years when LoTW was so bogged down after contest uploads that it took days for our uploads to appear? As I recall, AA6YQ and other IT specialists volunteered their services to get the system off life support and back on track. If my memory is correct, it was recommended at the time that no other award programs be added until the system is expanded to handle the traffic. Like I said, I'm going by memory. At my age, that can sometimes be distorted or non-existent.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2017, 09:19:03 AM »


I think I asked this to an ARRL staffer a couple of years ago and the answer was that it was not so much about verifying ZONES, but about $$$. Since you only need 40 confirmations (LOTW matches) for WAZ it is not really worth the $$ for ARRL to do this. They just don't make enough money for 40 confirmations. But WPX is a money pit, thousands of LOTW matches. But maybe I am wrong.

paul

What an excuse. Set a fixed application fee in this case.  WAS is only $1.20 more in credits. Nothing like artificial obstacles.

As I said, maybe I am wrong. But it is such a pain to get QSL cards and so DIFFICULT to get WAZ, I bet if the ARRL charged $40 for the "LOTW WAZ" plenty of people would pay for it. If they don't want to pay, they can get their cards and send to CQ.  But what do I know.

paul

My remark was not directed at you, but if the staffer indeed said that, it only reinforces the appearance that WPX via LOTW was an easy way to make money, nothing else.

I agree with you, a sizeable number of people would pay substantially more than the 12 cents per credit for WAZ via LOTW.
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2017, 09:19:55 AM »

Lots of different opinions here, so here's my 2¢ worth. Remember back a few years when LoTW was so bogged down after contest uploads that it took days for our uploads to appear? As I recall, AA6YQ and other IT specialists volunteered their services to get the system off life support and back on track. If my memory is correct, it was recommended at the time that no other award programs be added until the system is expanded to handle the traffic. Like I said, I'm going by memory. At my age, that can sometimes be distorted or non-existent.

I remember that too, and believed it. Wink
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2017, 11:10:22 AM »

LoTW is a classic case of a well-intentioned management that was clueless about software project management being sold on a pie-in-the-sky online software system by a well-intentioned group of advocates with no realistic understanding of what resources would be required to design, implement, test, document, operate, or maintain it. The project was understaffed and behind schedule from the outset; many corners were cut just to limit the schedule slippage to a couple of years. The next ~10 years were spent digging the hole even deeper, leaving the corners cut and the springs popping out while one part-time developer/operator/maintainer was directed to add even more untested, undocumented functionality .

At the end of 2012, a combination of latent defects and poor performance brought LoTW to its knees. Most managements would have put the thing out of its misery at that point. To its credit, the ARRL staffed a team and focused them on making LoTW reliable and scalable. They also gave volunteers Rick K1MU and Robert KC2YWE free rein to revamp the two buggy, awkward, open source applications most users employed to submit QSOs, manage Callsign Certificates, and manage Station Locations; the resulting TQSL 2.X is largely free of defects, provides a modern graphical user interface that directly supports the primary usage scenarios, and shields LoTW from the significant load previously generated by users who were re-submitting their entire logs after making a few new QSOs.

Last August, a significantly-updated implementation of the LoTW server was released, one no longer tied to an obsolete version of a proprietary database engine. Ingestion performance has more than doubled, and the 99% availability target is being met. Popular new awards won't bring this server to its knees.

I am a volunteer member of the ARRL's LoTW committee. I have strongly recommended that new capabilities only be publicly announced when they are functionally complete, tested, and documented.
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K0YQ
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2017, 11:29:52 AM »


They also gave volunteers Rick K1MU and Robert KC2YWE free rein to revamp the two buggy, awkward, open source applications most users employed to submit QSOs, manage Callsign Certificates, and manage Station Locations; the resulting TQSL 2.X is largely free of defects, provides a modern graphical user interface that directly supports the primary usage scenarios, and shields LoTW from the significant load previously generated by users who were re-submitting their entire logs after making a few new QSOs.

I am a volunteer member of the ARRL's LoTW committee. I have strongly recommended that new capabilities only be publicly announced when they are functionally complete, tested, and documented.

Thank you guys!
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2017, 03:59:29 PM »


They also gave volunteers Rick K1MU and Robert KC2YWE free rein to revamp the two buggy, awkward, open source applications most users employed to submit QSOs, manage Callsign Certificates, and manage Station Locations; the resulting TQSL 2.X is largely free of defects, provides a modern graphical user interface that directly supports the primary usage scenarios, and shields LoTW from the significant load previously generated by users who were re-submitting their entire logs after making a few new QSOs.

I am a volunteer member of the ARRL's LoTW committee. I have strongly recommended that new capabilities only be publicly announced when they are functionally complete, tested, and documented.

Thank you guys!
Same here thanks.

Obie N5VYS
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K4HB
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2017, 06:54:00 AM »

Thanks to the volunteers for restoring a broken system. It's now running smoother than ever before, and uploads are going right on in there in reasonable time. Renewing and loading a new certificate is so much easier now. Doing that used to be a real pain. I remember having to set my computer clock back several years just to load the certificate. And during the early years, we had to so this every year. Now, requesting and loading a new certificate is a piece of cake. You guys did a great job, and we appreciate it.
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 02:54:51 PM »

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Did you ever find your 80M Zone 22??

Got it last night.  It may be easy to get zone 22 from the east coast, but here out west, it took a lot of effort and the discovery of two hams who were willing to run several skeds with me until the conditions lined up.

Better, the stalwart in question uploaded to eQSL and the awards manager tells me it is already credited.  Won't appear in the official CQ "Top Contenders" list for a while, I am told.

Just zone 21 on 80 to go now...
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K0YQ
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2017, 06:54:17 AM »

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Did you ever find your 80M Zone 22??

Got it last night.  It may be easy to get zone 22 from the east coast, but here out west, it took a lot of effort and the discovery of two hams who were willing to run several skeds with me until the conditions lined up.

Better, the stalwart in question uploaded to eQSL and the awards manager tells me it is already credited.  Won't appear in the official CQ "Top Contenders" list for a while, I am told.

Just zone 21 on 80 to go now...

FB congrats!  I saw you calling a VU and CQing for ZN 22 so figured that's what you were doing.  Don't even get me started on "here out west"!
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2017, 08:12:29 AM »

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Did you ever find your 80M Zone 22??

Got it last night.  It may be easy to get zone 22 from the east coast, but here out west, it took a lot of effort and the discovery of two hams who were willing to run several skeds with me until the conditions lined up.

Better, the stalwart in question uploaded to eQSL and the awards manager tells me it is already credited.  Won't appear in the official CQ "Top Contenders" list for a while, I am told.

Just zone 21 on 80 to go now...

So tell us how difficult a Zone 23 is on 160 from "out West?" 
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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2017, 09:01:27 AM »

Yep, some zones are easier from the right coast, and others are easier from the left coast or "out West." In my case, it's zones 24 and 26 needed on 80M for all 200 zones. I'll either get those zones my way, or I'll go SK on the top contenders list. My way means I'll work them from my station, no remote, and no asking for skeds. That's the way I've worked what I have so far, and that's how I'll continue to operate. Not knocking what anyone does, as long as they are in compliance with the rules.
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K0YQ
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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2017, 09:40:32 AM »

WAZ on 80 and 160 is tough from anywhere.
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N5VYS
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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2017, 11:15:05 AM »

WAZ on 80 and 160 is tough from anywhere.
True.

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« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2017, 12:33:08 PM »

 Offering Zone 24 on 80, BG2AUE, has been very good recently at eastern US dawn . He uploads to LOTW very frequently.

 BG2AUE is almost a special case for those needing Z24. Unlike many BYs further south, he is located in extreme northeastern China in Harbin so if you can hear Zone 19 (eastern Siberia) UA0s, JAs and maybe just KL7s, you'll often hear him coming in with a good signal.
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KC2SST
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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2017, 02:32:06 PM »

LoTW is a classic case of a well-intentioned management that was clueless about software project management being sold on a pie-in-the-sky online software system by a well-intentioned group of advocates with no realistic understanding of what resources would be required to design, implement, test, document, operate, or maintain it. The project was understaffed and behind schedule from the outset; many corners were cut just to limit the schedule slippage to a couple of years. The next ~10 years were spent digging the hole even deeper, leaving the corners cut and the springs popping out while one part-time developer/operator/maintainer was directed to add even more untested, undocumented functionality .

The best explanation for non-developers I've ever heard is this:

What's technical debt, you say?
Well, say you've spent a year working on building a roof. It's working pretty well. But then, a customer who pays you lots of money tells you that it'd be really nice if the shingles on the peak of the roof were made out of silver.
You had never accounted for the possibility that someone wanted to put silver shingles at the peak of the roof, and in fact you had built the roof in a way that you can't really replace shingles without tearing the whole thing off. You tell your boss that you need to tear the roof off, replace the peak with silver shingles, and rework the whole thing so that the next time you get a request to replace some shingles, you can do it in a day.
You tell your boss it'll take a year. He goes to his boss, who says you have a month.
So, instead of doing what you wanted to do, you staple some silver shingles on the peak of the roof.
The customer is happy enough. A few months later, another customer comes and says he'd sleep a lot better if some bulletproof plating were installed under the silver shingles.
Had you been able to install your fancy modular roof last time, it'd take a day to pop the silver shingles off the peak, put some bulletproof plating underneath, and pop them back on. You beg your boss, "Now is the right time to install my modular roof. It'll take me a year, but everything afterwards will be so much easier." He goes to his boss, who says you have three weeks.
Well, in three weeks, all you really can do is slap some bulletproof plating on top of the silver shingles and nail some more silver shingles on top. In the end, the customer is happy enough.
A year later, you get a notice saying that the asphalt shingles you originally put down are a fire hazard and need to be replaced. You tell your boss that now is the perfect time to implement your modular roof, and replace the shingles with fireproof ones. He goes to his boss, who says you have two weeks.
So instead, you get a sprayable fireproof coating and spray it on. It's ugly, but it works well enough.
Then, a hurricane comes through and blows off your stacked-together silver shingles and bulletproof plating. Had you been able to install your modular roof from the beginning, this wouldn't have happened. Now your boss' boss is screaming on the phone at you about your fucking disaster, and you have a day to fix it. So, you hurredly throw on more bulletproof plating and silver shingles. (At least you had the chance to get rid of that first layer of silver shingles.)
Finally, you give up and quit. The guy who comes in after you is asked to replace the silver shingles with gold ones. He gets to probing and finds your silver shingles nailed on top of bulletproof plating, nailed on top of out-of-code asphalt shingles, all of which has been coated in cheap sprayable fireproofing.
He scratches his head, curses your idiocy, and your name becomes something the other roofers utter angrily in stressful situations.
This process repeats itself for 25 years. Then, they decide to hire a bunch of cheaper Sri Lankan roofers who will do the job three times slower for half the pay. They are well meaning, but all of their professional experience is in thatched roofs. The customers are asking for clay tile.
After the clay tile is installed in a fashion that makes the whole roof leak, they hire you back as you're on the verge of retirement. You now find your original roof still on the house, now out-of-code ten times over, covered with 17 layers of rushed jobs. Your customer is complaining that you have a week to fix the leak. It would have taken you a day if you could have put in the modular roof originally, but now it'll take you a year at least.
That's technical debt.
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