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Title: CW Certification?
Post by: JOSEPHREDGATE on January 07, 2015, 09:51:24 AM
Hello,

I am still in the process of studying for my Technician and General licenses and am learning CW via LCWO.net.  I understand that knowing CW is no longer a requirement for getting licensed, but I would prefer to be proficient at it (at least 20wpm) before I get my ham license.  For some reason, it just doesn't feel right for me to be able to get a license by knowing less than the other veteran hams out there.

My question is: Is there some organization out there that offers certification for CW that I could test with?


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KB2WIG on January 07, 2015, 09:56:35 AM
JR,

Check this out,

http://www.arrl.org/qualifying-run-schedule

IF you really want to wait, ok.   But consider the following.

The Novice class license was 5WPM, the General was 13 WPM and the Extra was 20 WPM.


klc


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KB2HSH on January 07, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from:  link=topic=100789.msg812375#msg812375 date=1420653395
JR,

Check this out,

http://www.arrl.org/qualifying-run-schedule

IF you really want to wait, ok.   But consider the following.

The Novice class license was 5WPM, the General was 13 WPM and the Extra was 20 WPM.


klc

The January Qualifying Run is Friday night.  I have my CP-20...going for 25 and 30 endorsements.

73 de KB2HSH
Springbrook, NY


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: JOSEPHREDGATE on January 07, 2015, 11:11:13 AM
In the notes column, I know that wpm means words per minute, but what do the two numbers mean?
(http://www.arrl.org/files/file/W1AW/15QRW1AW.pdf),


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: N9BH on January 07, 2015, 11:14:33 AM

IMHO do not wait till you can do 20 wpm before getting your license.  Depending on the person that can take quite a while. There is lots of other stuff you will be learning when you get your license and set up a station and get on the air. Also, getting your license and actually using CW will help you increase speed while enjoying what you are doing.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: N9BH on January 07, 2015, 11:21:23 AM

If I am looking at the same numbers as you, they are indication if the speeds being tested start at 35 wpm and go down to 10 wpm, or if they start at 10 wmp and go up to 35 wpm.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: JOSEPHREDGATE on January 07, 2015, 11:28:23 AM
That's what I thought, but then I thought that, perhaps, they are the Koch/Farnsworth numbers.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: N1EN on January 07, 2015, 11:41:00 AM
My question is: Is there some organization out there that offers certification for CW that I could test with?

In addition to the W1AW runs mentioned, I'll offer a few thoughts:

1.  I can empathize with your desire to master CW before getting licensed.  A chunk of my initial desire to learn CW came from unexpectedly passing my Extra test, and my belief that an Extra ought to know code.  That being said...for me, at least, mastering code is something best "done by doing".  Get on the air, make a few contest/DX contacts, graduate into slow-speed ragchews, etc.

2.  If you want formal, official certification, it's still possible to get a commercial radio telegraphy license (http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/index.htm?job=tn) from the FCC.  It's up to you whether you go for the full license, or just seek someone out to pass the code tests.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: JOSEPHREDGATE on January 07, 2015, 12:16:30 PM
Thank you for that link. Very interesting.  It has me curious about commercial licenses.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KH6AQ on January 07, 2015, 03:02:59 PM
I think that getting ones code speed to 13 wpm before becoming licensed was not the usual route. Especially 20 wpm for the Extra as that license used to require two years with a general or advanced class license. Many of us started as 5 wpm novices and by making many contacts our speed slowly moved up to 13 and then to 20 wpm.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: K3STX on January 07, 2015, 05:31:34 PM
Back when I got my Novice ticket in 1978, 5 wpm was all we needed to do and the rest came naturally by on-the-air QSOs. Just get on the air, your first CW contact is certificate enough!!!!

paul


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KB2HSH on January 08, 2015, 06:00:04 AM
I think that getting ones code speed to 13 wpm before becoming licensed was not the usual route. Especially 20 wpm for the Extra as that license used to require two years with a general or advanced class license. Many of us started as 5 wpm novices and by making many contacts our speed slowly moved up to 13 and then to 20 wpm.

I was licensed in 1988 as a Novice...when I took my 5 WPM, I froze!  It was so bad that I was manually copying the dits and dahs, and went back to decipher them.  13 WPM for my General was no big deal, but I remember sitting in the room, and just listening to the 20 WPM Extra.  It seemed like an impossibility.

With practice and actual QSOs, speed does indeed increase.  Recently, I had a QSO on 40CW, and after it ended, I called CQ again right away...same speed that I had been working at for the past half hour.  My Galaxy Stellar that sits on my desk and watches DX Spots was on the Reverse Beacon page...I had been at 28 WPM. 

What's even more bizarre about when speed increases...I find that NOW I have a very difficult time copying SLOW code. 

Who'd have thought?!

KB2HSH
Springbrook, NY


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: K8AXW on January 08, 2015, 09:29:45 AM
I hate to say this......."but back when my interest in ham radio started," Does this sound like an old man talking?) the entry level was General, code speed was 13wpm and if you lived within a 125 mile radius of an FCC examining center this is where you had to go to test.  Oh yes, the FCC examining officer was a steely=eyed, hard nosed ______ that didn't even tell you if you passed.  If you failed you learned later and then had no idea what areas you failed in!

Now.....with that being said, compare this to the way it is now!

No code, testing done by local examiners.....instant pass/fail knowledge, license "pools," and almost instant licensing via the Internet.

It's great that you are determined to learn CW.  If for no other reason it will open a whole new world of ham radio to you.  It is a worthwhile goal!


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: AA4Q on January 08, 2015, 11:33:43 AM
study for the tests, take all the tests they offer at your club's next VE session, you should pass 2 or 3 of them that day.

Buy an HF rig, buy a key and paddle, put up a dipole or several. if the rig comes with a microphone, put it in the closet, get on the air and operate CW every day. ragchew with a straight key (join SKCC), then move to the paddle, chase DX, operate contests, start with various state QSO parties and move up from there, ragchew on the weekday evenings. By the time FD comes around in june you'll have your extra and your 20wpm.

welcome to the hobby

AA4Q
SKCC 4061


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KK4MRN on January 08, 2015, 02:15:33 PM
http://www.arrl.org/qualifying-run-schedule (http://www.arrl.org/qualifying-run-schedule)

The link above mentions the following:
Underline one minute of the highest speed you copied, certify that your copy was made without aid, and send it to ARRL for grading.

How do I certify that my copy was made without aid?



Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: AA4Q on January 08, 2015, 10:21:25 PM
hand write on the bottom "I certify that the above was copied without any aids" and sign it.

I used to have a cert for 20 or 25 or 30wpm, more than 20 years ago, wonder where it went to....

Poole
AA4Q


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: N3QE on January 09, 2015, 11:26:47 AM
http://www.arrl.org/qualifying-run-schedule (http://www.arrl.org/qualifying-run-schedule)

The link above mentions the following:
Underline one minute of the highest speed you copied, certify that your copy was made without aid, and send it to ARRL for grading.

How do I certify that my copy was made without aid?

On my sheet of copy, I just wrote at the bottom "I certify that this copy was made without aid", signed it, and sent it to HQ.

Tim.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: JOSEPHREDGATE on January 09, 2015, 12:06:41 PM
I keep getting more excited about becoming a ham every day that I read the forums.  This is going to be very enjoyable.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KB9CFH on January 09, 2015, 08:54:53 PM
 ??? Somebody mentioned the Commercial Radiotelegraph License. You might want to check if they are still available. I think they are down to one element now.  Most of the new operations are coming out with GMDSS  ( Global Maritime Distress and Signaling Systems )     Operator/Maintainer Licenses.   You can get just an operator license and there is a Restricted GMDSS License. Or just the maintainer license if you work on the equipment but don't operate it at sea. Or a combo license for both OP/MAINT  and there is radar endorsement.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KB4VVE on January 10, 2015, 09:18:50 AM
I would recommend that you just start with a Tech license and work up from there.
I started Morse practice in '58 and it took me until '86 to get my Novice.  Morse, not code held me up - I had a 1st commercial phone license for many years.  Now that I'm retired and have time (and a FB CW elmer), I've gotten my code up to about 10 WPM and I'm working on it still.
It will depend on your abilities and desires, but get the Tech and get on the air.  The Tech lets you operate CW for real.  It all just gets more better from there.
Enjoy the journey.
73,
Greg, KB4VVE


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: N2EY on January 12, 2015, 02:42:09 PM
I would recommend that you just start with a Tech license and work up from there.

I disagree!

Start with the General. It's not that much more study than the Technician, but you get a LOT more privileges.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KH2BR on January 19, 2015, 07:41:56 AM
How about a official FCC Radio Telegraph operator License?
http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/index.htm?job=tn
Its good for a lifetime, and something to be proud to hold.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KH6WM on January 28, 2015, 06:26:29 PM

Code certification:

ARRL runs regular code qualifying runs including West Coast transmissions. See QST or ARRL web page.

Also, arrl.org has CW (text) files on line available at all speeds for practice.

Warren


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: N1UKX on January 29, 2015, 05:29:59 AM
A CW WAS would be a nice certification.  How about DXCC on CW???...


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KC8WUC on March 03, 2015, 08:28:56 AM
??? Somebody mentioned the Commercial Radiotelegraph License. You might want to check if they are still available. I think they are down to one element now.  Most of the new operations are coming out with GMDSS  ( Global Maritime Distress and Signaling Systems )     Operator/Maintainer Licenses.   You can get just an operator license and there is a Restricted GMDSS License. Or just the maintainer license if you work on the equipment but don't operate it at sea. Or a combo license for both OP/MAINT  and there is radar endorsement.

It's all very well and good to obtain these licenses, however they do cost money. Additionally they really serve no purpose unless you have a merchant mariner credential which is another additional expense and entirely different matter altogether. You're not likely to get any work without having any experience on board ship (sea time)and your initial STCW (e.g., Basic first aid, CPR, firefighting, live water survival training). Otherwise this is just something to put in your wallet and hang on the wall of your shack.

While you may be able to sit for the GMDSS operator/maintain her license and radar operator license, in order to work you will need to complete USCG approved training (which also offers the FCC exams for these licenses).

Michael
KC8WUC
WDE9344

Master Unlimited Great Lakes


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: ZL1BBW on March 03, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
??? Somebody mentioned the Commercial Radiotelegraph License. You might want to check if they are still available. I think they are down to one element now.  Most of the new operations are coming out with GMDSS  ( Global Maritime Distress and Signaling Systems )     Operator/Maintainer Licenses.   You can get just an operator license and there is a Restricted GMDSS License. Or just the maintainer license if you work on the equipment but don't operate it at sea. Or a combo license for both OP/MAINT  and there is radar endorsement.

It's all very well and good to obtain these licenses, however they do cost money. Additionally they really serve no purpose unless you have a merchant mariner credential which is another additional expense and entirely different matter altogether. You're not likely to get any work without having any experience on board ship (sea time)and your initial STCW (e.g., Basic first aid, CPR, firefighting, live water survival training). Otherwise this is just something to put in your wallet and hang on the wall of your shack.

While you may be able to sit for the GMDSS operator/maintain her license and radar operator license, in order to work you will need to complete USCG approved training (which also offers the FCC exams for these licenses).

Michael
KC8WUC
WDE9344

Master Unlimited Great Lakes

Do they still use discharge books and a red seamans card?  still have mine from the 70's, alas the photo shows a much earlier version of me.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: KC8WUC on March 03, 2015, 02:56:09 PM
It was photo ID (green "c" card), now it's like a passport.

We still have discharge letters.


Title: RE: CW Certification?
Post by: ZL1BBW on March 03, 2015, 03:27:44 PM
It was photo ID (green "c" card), now it's like a passport.

We still have discharge letters.

Thanks, the British Seamans Card was bright red, like a small passport, and you could travel on it in an emergency, the Discharge book was a proper passport type document where the OM signed you on and off the 2 year ships articles and you got your discharge from articles recorded, and either a VG, D or DR, DR basically meant you jumped ship or thumped someone.

They both had photo's in and your official number in the photo like a mug shot.