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Title: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: MATTJ on April 09, 2015, 05:28:04 PM
Net control guy here tonight, some 70 year old, said that anyone who does not have a dedicated radio for weather, along with other high dollar gear, does not deserve to be a Ham. I am sick of some of these a-holes on the airways who think they are better than everyone else because they have 50 trillion dollars invested in the hobby. So far it is mainly the old ones saying these crappy things, and on the airways at that. Does the FCC have a law on being a prick?

Matt


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: W1BR on April 09, 2015, 07:27:11 PM
Is your radio stuck on a net?  Seriously, why bother dealing with closed minds when we have so many bands and other opportunities... DXing, ragchewing, working CW,  public service, etc. ?  If the guy on this net bothers you, just move on to something better and more enjoyable.  Let misery enjoy its own company.

I like chasing DX CW contacts. That rocks my boat. I am an old fart. I also wouldn't want to listen to another old AH telling me what I need in my shack. Life is too short. HR is a good hobby.  I also enjoy restoring vintage radios, and I enjoy designing and building equipment, or modifying gear that I own. I am never bored. Right now I am trying to repair a TecTec Omni VI Plus that has several problems. If I am successful, it will become my main HF radio. If you are not having fun, and enjoying the hobby, I suggest it is time to rediscover some aspect that is fun, challenging, or at least gives you some positive vibes.

Pete


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: MATTJ on April 09, 2015, 07:36:42 PM
I have a 2 meter radio... I was on the weekly emergency net station. I have no choice. He was net controller so as usual everyone else will suck his *&** and ignore a newbie like me. I have no weight on him.

Matt


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: W1BR on April 09, 2015, 08:40:05 PM
Matt

I have been involved with repeaters since the late 1960s.  Two meter FM was a fascinating mode..  it was cutting edge technology in those days!  By the late 1970s it became as common as any other mode.  I can assure you there is life beyond two meter FM!  Most of the hams that I knew back when FM as a new and exciting mode have passed on. 

Even though I am a repeater operator, I don't see any benefit to operating on FM in this day and age. If your license class is limiting your horizons, I would suggest you upgrade, and put FM nets behind you.  FM repeaters is a dying mode, with no future. It is a dead end, and ham radio has much more to offer.  Otherwise, grow a set, and tell that net control station to get lost. I would have no problem speaking my mind.

Pete


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: MATTJ on April 10, 2015, 03:07:12 AM
What good is HF in a local emergency, which we are soon for sure going to experience? Just takes another cop to kill some thug criminal and all hell will breakout soon enough. The next election in itself is going to cause disaster. Every local net is fm. If my city is burning I doubt I wanna talk on hf to some other state/country.

Matt


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KC9YTJ on April 10, 2015, 04:58:55 AM
Never heard of NVIS?

I work a weekly 80 meter ARES net using Olivia and talk to guys as close as a few miles away.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: SOFAR on April 10, 2015, 05:17:34 AM
Not sure what kind of conversation you expect in a net, usually for people to  check in and leave. .... Made a couple contacts on repeaters my first day on the air, I have no interest in repeaters, 2 meter simplex works fine. I meet like minded people. .... Have you even made a contact on 52?


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K5RT on April 10, 2015, 05:32:21 AM
Matt, does this net have some sort of a "Manager"?
Does this net have any type of newsletter or web site?
Does this net provide any written guidelines for the NCS to follow?
Have you contacted the NCS by phone to talk about his remarks and their effect on you?

If you're not comfortable with talking to the NCS about the problem, what about an email to the Net Manager? If there is no Net Manager, what about an email to the station's who checked in that day?
Take the high road, address the action. Don't make it a personal issue (even though it may be). Address the problem by focusing on raising net awareness of procedures.
Doing this should result in people asking what happened and possibly one of the "Experienced" members of the group speaking to the idiot directly.

EMCOMM is important in our hobby, but don't let it be your only focus. There's too many other things to explore and have fun with.

73
Paul


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC2EU on April 10, 2015, 07:57:56 AM
It's unfortunate that a new Ham's exposure to the hobby is usually VHF due to the inexpensive simplicity of using a repeater with a HT. It's an interesting and attractive concept...

Unfortunately, the ARES/RACES clubs are not very active on the air unless there is a drill, net, or real disaster. Many of them are monitoring the repeater, but generally will not respond to someone throwing out a call sign. Especially if you are not someone that they have known for 25 years.
It sounds like your interest is in Emcom, so perhaps you should go to the local repeater club meeting and check out the landscape.
However, if VHF was representative of HAM radio, I would have sold the radios and got out a while a ago. As one poster mentioned, try NVIS if you want to keep it local, not that you can't talk local with a dipole...

Radio clubs always have a few guys who think their excrement doesn't stink like any other group of homo sapiens, so don't let them get to you. You don't have to dance to their tune because the hobby has all kinds of other things to offer.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: SOFAR on April 10, 2015, 08:43:52 AM
It's unfortunate that a new Ham's exposure to the hobby is usually VHF due to the inexpensive simplicity of using a repeater with a HT. It's an interesting and attractive concept...

It can be attractive, at first, but unless you're into small talk, after you see which repeaters you can hit, you're pretty much done.

I have not looked into EmComm much, so I'm not sure what role they would fill in an emergency, if any.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC2EU on April 10, 2015, 10:54:30 AM
It's unfortunate that a new Ham's exposure to the hobby is usually VHF due to the inexpensive simplicity of using a repeater with a HT. It's an interesting and attractive concept...

It can be attractive, at first, but unless you're into small talk, after you see which repeaters you can hit, you're pretty much done.

I have not looked into EmComm much, so I'm not sure what role they would fill in an emergency, if any.

Emcom is not my thing either, but some guys are really into it. Skywarn is another aspect of it that I didn't mention. When we had the hurricanes, the repeaters were very busy with Hams giving reports of what the conditions were on various roads, etc, which I found to be very helpful.
The ARES net is hardly ever, if ever. actually used by the authorities,though, as far as know. They operate the net during local emergencies for their own use for the most part.
If you join ARES, you have to pledge your soul and allegiance to Homeland security and go to "mandatory" training so that was enough to turn  me off.  IMO, if I am going to be REQUIRED to go to government training/deployment, I might as well get a job as a first responder and PAID for it.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: N7ZAL on April 10, 2015, 11:24:05 AM
Get off 2 meters and try 6 or 10 for variety. Another new world there.  JMO


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KB4QAA on April 10, 2015, 08:04:42 PM
I too would give MattJ advice to move to HF. 

However, it is obvious that he is a "prepper" who is deluded into expecting the end of civilization and domestic war.

He truly is NOT a genuine ham.  (and I have never said that about anyone before).

MattJ:  The most practical advice I can give you is find or start another net to hang out on.  (The old timer's view is skewed.) 

good luck.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K5UNX on April 11, 2015, 05:13:10 PM
Matt, some guys are just jerks. Don't let them get under your skin. There are a lot of jerks that post here also. Someone will pipe up soon and say if we don't know code theme are not real hams etc. do what you are interested in. Ham radio is a large enough hobby, with enough different ways to enjoy it, there is room for all kinds.



Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KA4GFY on April 12, 2015, 05:31:44 PM
Like some of the other posters have said, you really need to upgrade and move beyond 2 meter repeaters.  There is far more to ham radio than hanging out on the local repeaters.  With DSTAR, DMR, Echolink and IRLP, you can work the world through a repeater.  Look at one of those modes.

If your interest is in local emergency communications, try simplex as one other poster said. 

Try another repeater or another club.  No club can be all things to all people. 

I always tell people if they get bored in ham radio, they are not trying hard enough.  There are so many facets to the hobby I can't imagine running out of new things to try.   

73,
Rich, KA4GFY






Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: VE3TMT on April 13, 2015, 06:02:18 AM
Hi Matt,

I've been licensed for 25 years. Was excited to join the local club and partake in all the events. Club meetings turned in to a joke. The age of the average ham was in the late sixties to seventies and they were all set in their ways. They had the "this is the way it used to be done" mentality that just didn't fly with the younger hams. So I left the club, sold all my VHF gear and haven't looked back. I do have a cheap Chinese HT that I can use in case of emergency, but that's about it. 99.99% of my time is spent on HF.

Don't let the jerk attitude of one individual get to you. Find another net to check in to or try 10m or 6m as others have suggested. Local QSO's can be had on 75m if you have privileges. If not, it's a good incentive to upgrade. There's a lot more to amateur radio than 2m.

Good luck,
VE3TMT


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K6CPO on April 13, 2015, 11:22:28 AM
Net control guy here tonight, some 70 year old, said that anyone who does not have a dedicated radio for weather, along with other high dollar gear, does not deserve to be a Ham. I am sick of some of these a-holes on the airways who think they are better than everyone else because they have 50 trillion dollars invested in the hobby. So far it is mainly the old ones saying these crappy things, and on the airways at that. Does the FCC have a law on being a prick?

Matt

You're going to find self-righteous, know-it-all pricks in any hobby.  I've encountered them in motorcycle clubs and in photography groups.  Don't let them get to you.  Ham radio is broad enough that there is room for everyone.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC7CW on April 13, 2015, 04:09:59 PM
Net control guy here tonight, some 70 year old, said that anyone who does not have a dedicated radio for weather, along with other high dollar gear, does not deserve to be a Ham. I am sick of some of these a-holes on the airways who think they are better than everyone else because they have 50 trillion dollars invested in the hobby. So far it is mainly the old ones saying these crappy things, and on the airways at that. Does the FCC have a law on being a prick?

Matt

I'm a 70yo ham, I'd never say anything like that. Jerks are everywhere, I like to assume they are just having a bad day or something, it's just easier that way. I remember when I was in high school, coming home in the afternoons and getting on the air. One guy once said "the kiddies are home from school". It stuck in my memory because it was a little shocking that a grown man would say stuff like that. I guess I'd thought that the licensing process would weed out jerks but not at all. Hams just aren't high on the emotional intelligence scale for sure. I got my Extra Class license and maybe part of the motivation was that jerks couldn't downgrade me on THAT issue. Jerks can motivate you if you have proper response to their moronic stuff...


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC7CW on April 13, 2015, 04:25:08 PM
so anyhow, is MATTJ a troll or something? No info in the profile... It's "losing" btw, not "loosing" hee hee...


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K8PRG on April 13, 2015, 05:37:18 PM


However, it is obvious that he is a "prepper" who is deluded into expecting the end of civilization and domestic war.

He truly is NOT a genuine ham.  (and I have never said that about anyone before).



This is interesting...on one hand we're telling Matt, there's something for everyone in ham, find another sandbox to play in.
Then this.....A prepper can't be a "genuine ham"? The fact is, he's part of a very large segment of hams.

But Matt.....I can't help but wonder....if you let some old grump bully you to the point of losing interest in ham, how you gonna react when/if the day you are prepping for actually comes?


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KA0SBL on April 14, 2015, 11:49:21 PM
Regarding jerks: The world is full of miserable fools that hide behind a keyboard or a radio trying to tear others down to make themselves feel better. Turn the big dial.

Regarding preppers: This falls under EmComm in my book, ergo it's legit. Encourage them to use and know their gear. Ask them if they'd buy a rifle and not bother to sight it in until after a zombie was gnawing on their bits.


 :o



Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K1DA on April 18, 2015, 08:35:53 AM
It's feeding time under the bridge, ignore the troll.  Let him find another hobby to whine about.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K5TED on April 18, 2015, 12:01:11 PM
Net control guy here tonight, some 70 year old, said that anyone who does not have a dedicated radio for weather, along with other high dollar gear, does not deserve to be a Ham. I am sick of some of these a-holes on the airways who think they are better than everyone else because they have 50 trillion dollars invested in the hobby. So far it is mainly the old ones saying these crappy things, and on the airways at that. Does the FCC have a law on being a prick?

Matt

So, you have a problem with older people, you crave attention, and you think the FCC should step in when you disagree with something said 'on the airways'?

IMO, you won't find happiness in this hobby. It's not for lack of equipment.



Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC2EU on April 18, 2015, 05:30:06 PM
It's not so much what the guy said, but it was the newbie's first intro into the net.
Not a very "warm and fuzzy" beginning, IMO...
Grandpa Grump had to assert his dominance and piss all over the the guy!
It's unfortunate, but not uncommon.
On the flip side, there are also lots of hams who are very welcoming and helpful. It's luck of the draw.




Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K5TED on April 18, 2015, 06:04:30 PM
It's not so much what the guy said, but it was the newbie's first intro into the net.
Not a very "warm and fuzzy" beginning, IMO...
Grandpa Grump had to assert his dominance and piss all over the the guy!
It's unfortunate, but not uncommon.
On the flip side, there are also lots of hams who are very welcoming and helpful. It's luck of the draw.




Where exactly is it specified anyone in particular got a golden shower?



Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AF7EC on April 19, 2015, 11:58:56 AM
Just like anything else in this world, there are grumpy, sad people and there are happy, enthused people.

Because I'm on the autism spectrum, I notice that in the past I tended to take nearly everything personally, and let sad, grumpy people bother me.  But in recent times, I think I've learned how to tune those people out and not let them bother me so much.  Since I'm a Christian, I try to pray for grumpy, negative, mean people like that.  More than likely they have some hurt stuck in their heart that's spilling over into their lives (including on-air behavior).

Matt, look into packet radio, or try building a home-made directional antenna for two-meters and see how many people you can reach on simplex (146.520, for example).  If you have a Tech license, try the ham exam tests on QRZ ( http://www.qrz.com/hamtest/ ) and use the web to brush up on areas you need work in.

Not everyone acts mean and nasty.  Check your private message and if you need to vent, e-mail me.  I'm just one of many people who enjoy the hobby and don't act mean or nasty.

God bless and 73!
Will
AF7EC


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K4PIH on April 20, 2015, 06:30:41 AM
I'm an old guy (60+), and I welcome new hams into the club I'm currently serving as president. Our Vice President is a very fine young man, Eagle Scout, big time contester, all-around good guy and we like it! I'm looking to him to be the new president. Sure we have some crochety old codgers but even they have to change or move on.

Don't let a few make you experience in ham radio negative.  ;D


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K5TED on April 20, 2015, 05:51:03 PM
I fail to understand the mollycoddling.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC2EU on April 21, 2015, 06:08:05 AM
I fail to understand the mollycoddling.

K5TED:
I'm beginning to think that YOU were the NCS that he was talking about!
What the NCS said wasn't even true, but nothing more than "one-upmanship" or being a boorish braggard. It was uncalled for behavior and not a very good first impression. No coddling, but know that everyone has to start somewhere.

Do you understand yet?




Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K5TED on April 25, 2015, 08:46:44 PM
I fail to understand the mollycoddling.

K5TED:
I'm beginning to think that YOU were the NCS that he was talking about!
What the NCS said wasn't even true, but nothing more than "one-upmanship" or being a boorish braggard. It was uncalled for behavior and not a very good first impression. No coddling, but know that everyone has to start somewhere.

Do you understand yet?






A beginner thinker like yourself can be excused for thinking stupid thoughts and actually posting them here for all to see.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC2EU on April 25, 2015, 08:55:40 PM
I fail to understand the mollycoddling.

K5TED:
I'm beginning to think that YOU were the NCS that he was talking about!
What the NCS said wasn't even true, but nothing more than "one-upmanship" or being a boorish braggard. It was uncalled for behavior and not a very good first impression. No coddling, but know that everyone has to start somewhere.

Do you understand yet?


 



A beginner thinker like yourself can be excused for thinking stupid thoughts and actually posting them here for all to see.

I KNEW you were one of those FUN guys!  There's always a few in every club ;D
Mission accomplished, the newbie is gone for good...


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K5TED on April 26, 2015, 08:18:12 AM
I fail to understand the mollycoddling.

K5TED:
I'm beginning to think that YOU were the NCS that he was talking about!
What the NCS said wasn't even true, but nothing more than "one-upmanship" or being a boorish braggard. It was uncalled for behavior and not a very good first impression. No coddling, but know that everyone has to start somewhere.

Do you understand yet?


 



A beginner thinker like yourself can be excused for thinking stupid thoughts and actually posting them here for all to see.

I KNEW you were one of those FUN guys!  There's always a few in every club ;D
Mission accomplished, the newbie is gone for good...


I'm sorta fun. I like ham radio. I like to introduce the hobby to those who show an interest, even if it is very narrow.

It's sad that at some point this newbie guy was given the impression that all he had to do is buy a handie talkie and the world would be his oyster.

We're seeing only his perspective. An obvious disdain for adults/authority. A potty mouth. Feelings of entitlement. Poor interpersonal skills. Inferiority issues. A victim.

Or....... a seagull. I'm beginning to think the latter is the case..


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KC8WUC on April 26, 2015, 08:55:57 AM
My experience with one club that I joined was very similar, both on the air and off.  The President of the club was one that was periennially re-elected President or to some other officer position as were all of his friends.  At the club meetings the same old business was re-hashed and only the President's friends/fellow officers were ever permitted to do anything. Likewise, the only ideas and motions that were ever entertained or recognized by the President came from his friends.  His attitude was that he knew more than anyone else because he was a charter member of the club and he was an electronics professional (HE WORKED AT RADIO SHACK AS A SALESMAN!).  Even when I volunteered for some of the ARES and RACES activities, I was never given a thank you or any recognition for donating my time to the effort.

I regularly attended all business meetings and participated in nets for three years before I decided that this wasn't for me and left the club.

Yes, jerks can be found in all walks of life, in all occupations, and in many hobbies.   There will always be know-it-alls who will bully or demean you in some way.  Just move on, their absence from your life will have a profound effect on you... you'll certainly be happier.  It's unlikely that if you stay, you won't change their narcissistic personality or their obnoxious behaviors. 


73,

Michael KC8WUC/WDE9344


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KX4OM on May 02, 2015, 05:51:54 PM
I won't criticize a guy for being 70 years old, because I'm creeping ever closer to that age myself. I still check the filaments in my CONELRAD receiver every day.

Ted, KX4OM


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KB4QAA on May 03, 2015, 04:18:14 PM


However, it is obvious that he is a "prepper" who is deluded into expecting the end of civilization and domestic war.

He truly is NOT a genuine ham.  (and I have never said that about anyone before).



This is interesting...on one hand we're telling Matt, there's something for everyone in ham, find another sandbox to play in.
Then this.....A prepper can't be a "genuine ham"? The fact is, he's part of a very large segment of hams.

Now that the embers have cooled.

The OP stated his reason for having a license is to fight the next urban civil war or fight in Armeggedon.

This is clearly outside the stated purposes of amateur radio as defined by the  FCC.  

I do not encourage 'preppers' to get a license.  I think they are deluded fools, and the idea ham radio being necessary in a true survival situation is silly.

Note:  I make a major distinction  between having a common sense store of food, water and essentials, and people who subscribe to 'prepper' philosophy.

Bottom line: If the OP wants to use ham radio for fighting or prepper purposes, I encourage him to tear up his license and go away.  If he chooses to join our hobby and it's culture of electronics, radio operating and comradery, then 'Welcome".   b.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K0CBA on May 04, 2015, 08:41:43 AM
, some 70 year old, Matt

There is certainly always hope you don't make it to 70......speaking of "a-holes"!


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: WB5GSA on May 06, 2015, 12:18:43 PM
I am a 77 year old who just recently decided to get back into hamming after a near 30 year hiatus. I feel like Rip Van Winkle but since my background is technical, I have little problem with the new technology.

I agree with the folks who say to upgrade and forget the myopia of 2M. It sounds quite similar to CB when I stopped hamming in the early 80s.

Please let us be civil in these conversations. The same as 20M was in the 60s and 70s except for a few idiots. I don't know how long I'll stick around on the bands but I want to try the digital modes and other communications media.

73 to everyone,

Rick WB5GSA


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: NI8R on May 10, 2015, 07:45:58 AM
Matt, few things  to help would be log in under your call sign. Its respectful.
One of the greatest generation of humans to live were born in the 40s . This is a generation that was not a stranger to work.
Very respectful of others.
Work creates the wealth you described that bought his radios and his work ethic got him his license to his ham privileges.
I always encourage hams to buy expensive radio gear.  Better gear will increase your time at your hobby
Instead of spending money doing something else, fishing is expensive too.

You may wear your feelings on your sleeve. They are bound to be knocked off. This guy if given a chance may be the best friend you ever had.
Get a invite to his shack. You may be missing an opportunity to know a great individual.


Greg kc8iir



Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC2EU on May 10, 2015, 07:57:19 AM
Matt, few things  to help would be log in under your call sign. Its respectful.
One of the greatest generation of humans to live were born in the 40s . This is a generation that was not a stranger to work.
Very respectful of others.
Work creates the wealth you described that bought his radios and his work ethic got him his license to his ham privileges.
I always encourage hams to buy expensive radio gear.  Better gear will increase your time at your hobby
Instead of spending money doing something else, fishing is expensive too.

You may wear your feelings on your sleeve. They are bound to be knocked off. This guy if given a chance may be the best friend you ever had.
Get a invite to his shack. You may be missing an opportunity to know a great individual.


Greg kc8iir



A good work ethic is a wonderful thing.
However, was the NCS promoting a work ethic or just being a snob?
It is said that you don't get a second chance to make a good first impression...


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: SOFAR on May 10, 2015, 08:32:53 AM
I don't see how buying expensive gear and cutting out other options for recreation solves anything. .... Im a proponent for quality gear, but being in my 40s, buying a new mountain bike will come first. I really like radio, but don't see myself spending hours with it, to the exclusion of other activities. .... I notice on this forum that a lot of operators have taken breaks of 20 or 30 years. ....Im not going that extreme, but will keep studying cw, and try to talk to some locals on simplex once a week.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: SOFAR on May 10, 2015, 08:57:10 AM
As for the OPs issue with older operators. Just want to add that most have been very friendly and engaging. ....If i throw my call out they come back to me. .... But i don't hang out on nets or repeaters..


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: NI8R on May 10, 2015, 11:44:04 AM
Quote from:  link=topic=102627.msg843205#msg843205 date=1431273430
As for the OPs issue with older operators. Just want to add that most have been very friendly and engaging. ....If i throw my call out they come back to me. .... But i don't hang out on nets or repeaters..

With age comes wisdom , you have 2 eyes , 2 ears and one mouth.  You need to look and listen twice as much as you speak. This is the problem with America today. Everyone is a know it all.
As we age , we all develop different ways to get our point across. Some elders are blunt to the point of being rude, but its only because they don't have all day to get you to understand a sugary response.
I am short answer joe at 45 , I am sure I will be that prick when I am 70 hi  hi. Ok boys , get out the hurt feelings reports.

Sofar, ham radio is your second love, sounds like mountain biking is your main event. You should buy the best bike you can afford since radios are your second hobby.


Greg kc8iir


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: SOFAR on May 10, 2015, 12:05:10 PM
Yes I believe listening to get a feel for things is important. ....As far as a main hobby, my interests are varied, just don't see a hobby as an end-all. Radio, camping, and biking is one example of hobbies that can be combined, or be pursued individually.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: NI8R on May 10, 2015, 03:45:53 PM
you have a lot of time to chase 3 hobbies. After working 60 hours a week , raising 3 kids and working the farm. One hobby is enough for me.

Kc8iir


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KF7VXA on May 10, 2015, 09:51:26 PM
Ares nets are very different in different areas.

We started a radio club for people who are interested in many different aspects of Amateur Radio, but are not interested in Ares or Emcom/Community service. We also have an Ares group comprised of club members and others who also have an interest in Public Service.

Our County EC has incorporated our Ares group into the County emergency plan. We are in a rural area and don't have hundreds of public servant's to draw from in an emergency, so we all have agreed to help wherever necessary.

This works well for our group. We have a very dedicated Ares EC who wants to get us all the training that is available; our group is a motivated group. All are agreeable to this.
If you want to be a part of an emergency radio group, why would you not take the time to do the four ICS on line training classes. ICS is now the standard for Emcom. More training, practical training will do nothing but improve the groups ability to handle emergency communications in the most efficient way possible.

Too many Ares groups do the boring once a week check in's and little else. It's no wonder people get tired of doing so little.
Long time operators may know what to do in an emergency, but where does that leave the new guys and gals who want to be a part of community service ? It also does not effect changes to the way emergency communications have changed.

If we are to be taken seriously in an emergency by local, state and the federal government, training and knowing how to interface with governmental agency's is a must. Otherwise we are looked at like a bunch of good ol boy CBers.

Times have changed and if those who want to be a part of Emcom want to be viewed as a valid part of Emcom, we must change also. Otherwise, rag chew, DX, do digital or whatever you enjoy and forget Emcom.

In today's world, Amateur radio is likely to be the only form of radio that may be available in the onset of a major disaster.

Almost all local agency's have gone to trunked systems that work fine in normal times, but will be the first thing to fail in a disaster.
Once the State and Feds finally get to the affected area, they will establish their own comms and then Amateur radio will be secondary. That's fine with me. Thing is, our group will be prepared to work with governmental agency's as needed. Our County EC thinks highly of our group and will use us as much as possible.

It's developing relationships with your local Emergency Coordinator that will make us a valid and useful part of Emcom.
Unless your group is willing to get the training and do actual on air exercises and work with the local County EC, then we will not be relevant.

The times have changed. If you're not willing to change also, maybe Emcom is not your cup of tea.

Having made the relationships with the agency's in our county, we will be an integral part of any emergency, in fact, they have made it known that they are counting on us, so we had better be up to the task. We hold joint exercises to ensure we are all on the same page. We are also included in all community events. Some of our members are also a part of our local SAR group, helping with communications so that those who can put on a pack and hump up it a mountain are not stuck at the staging area.

I'm sure some will hammer me for my views, and that's fine. If we are to be looked at as a service that contributes to the resolution of an emergency, we have to keep up with the times. If your not willing to do this, then maybe it's time to enjoy the other aspects of radio.
If we are needed and fail to live up to expectations, we will be irrelevant in the future. Never forget, we enjoy the radio spectrum we have because the government knows we are a necessity in times of emergency. If we fail at those times, they might just figure our spectrum is more valuable being sold for business use.

There are many groups who are doing things right. It's been shown time and time again that Amateur radio is important to emergency's and disasters. These are the groups who are keeping up with the times.

To the OP, hang in there and maybe you can convince some in your group to not worry about having the latest, most expensive gear, but learning to use what you have and get your group up to speed in todays emcom.
If the net control operator cannot be professional, maybe it's time he handed over the mic to someone else, but you too must be professional.

John


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: W1BR on May 11, 2015, 11:29:40 AM
My experience with one club that I joined was very similar, both on the air and off.  The President of the club was one that was periennially re-elected President or to some other officer position as were all of his friends.  At the club meetings the same old business was re-hashed and only the President's friends/fellow officers were ever permitted to do anything. Likewise, the only ideas and motions that were ever entertained or recognized by the President came from his friends.  
 

73,

Michael KC8WUC/WDE9344

The problem with clubs is that become set in their ways... and all too often, there is a set clique who runs the organization. But, I will note, this is usually because none of the members are willing to get their hands dirty and step up to the plate. Running a club is a pain in the butt. I was involved with a repeater club for many, many years. I installed and built the first repeater in the Springfield, MA area, one of the best mountain locations when I was TV transmitter engineer in a major market. Four of five years later I formed a club to support the costs.  25 years later I bailed out because the group had become a social group, with little interest in supporting the repeater costs; and also by that time the novelty and interest in repeaters was dying off.

I now own an open private machine in the Holyoke area... but all of the old timers are now silent keys.  Two meters can be a lot of fun, but I have to opine that its time has come and gone. We've seen the seem peak and decline of packet radio. Nowadays I see the same folks trying to keep the local clubs going. FM repeater clubs are lagging behind general interest clubs. 30 years ago the opposite was true. The FM guys had over 300 members, and the general interest club was close to folding up. Today the situation is 180 degrees reversed. 

I'd also comment that there is nothing wrong with walking away from a hobby for a few years.  Sometimes it is a good idea to take a break and try something new. Ham radio has many facets, and it will be here for many years to come. You can't judge this hobby based on one band, or one mode. The opportunities are endless.

Pete


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AA4PB on May 11, 2015, 12:07:21 PM
It's the old 80/20 rule (probably 90/10 or 95/5 by now). 80% of the work is done by 20% of the people.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC2EU on May 11, 2015, 02:38:33 PM
My experience with one club that I joined was very similar, both on the air and off.  The President of the club was one that was periennially re-elected President or to some other officer position as were all of his friends.  At the club meetings the same old business was re-hashed and only the President's friends/fellow officers were ever permitted to do anything. Likewise, the only ideas and motions that were ever entertained or recognized by the President came from his friends.  
 

73,

Michael KC8WUC/WDE9344

The problem with clubs is that become set in their ways... and all too often, there is a set clique who runs the organization. But, I will note, this is usually because none of the members are willing to get their hands dirty and step up to the plate. Running a club is a pain in the butt. I was involved with a repeater club for many, many years. I installed and built the first repeater in the Springfield, MA area, one of the best mountain locations when I was TV transmitter engineer in a major market. Four of five years later I formed a club to support the costs.  25 years later I bailed out because the group had become a social group, with little interest in supporting the repeater costs; and also by that time the novelty and interest in repeaters was dying off.

I now own an open private machine in the Holyoke area... but all of the old timers are now silent keys.  Two meters can be a lot of fun, but I have to opine that its time has come and gone. We've seen the seem peak and decline of packet radio. Nowadays I see the same folks trying to keep the local clubs going. FM repeater clubs are lagging behind general interest clubs. 30 years ago the opposite was true. The FM guys had over 300 members, and the general interest club was close to folding up. Today the situation is 180 degrees reversed. 

I'd also comment that there is nothing wrong with walking away from a hobby for a few years.  Sometimes it is a good idea to take a break and try something new. Ham radio has many facets, and it will be here for many years to come. You can't judge this hobby based on one band, or one mode. The opportunities are endless.

Pete

Well said.
One of the other FM repeater club impediments ( for me, st least) is the requirement that the EMcomm people have to pledge allegiance to homeland security. I don't mind learning how to help others, etc, but it bugs me that I have to sign on the dotted line. Too much big gov't involved with the funding for the toys, I guess. Gotta pay to play...
There is rarely anyone on 2m/70cm that will answer a call. I'm thinking of taking the rigs out of my vehicles. On the other hand. I can always reach out and find someone on HF.
The emcomm guys seem to talk only  when there is an activation/net or if they have known you for more than 20 years. It's a different mindset.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KF7VXA on May 12, 2015, 04:24:19 PM
Maybe clubs should be looking at addressing all of the hobby of Amateur radio except Ares/Races and separate the Ares/Races component of Amateur Radio into a separate group.
And who says Ares/Races is only concerned with VHF/UHF. All modes of communication should be incorporated and practiced in any emergency radio group. If your not working community events, you are not just losing good will with the community, but you're missing out on putting what you study into practice.

We started a Radio Amateur Club and also have a Ares group. We don't discuss Ares business at the club meetings or club business at Ares meetings. The Ares meeting starts 45 minutes before the club meeting starts.

People are free to belong to one or the other or both.

This has kept everyone happy.

A second idea. If your club is stagnant or run by one group that has very different ideas than another group, start a new club.
You might be surprised at how many would join a fresh group if their likes and concerns were addressed.

The other problem I see is that too many long established groups are doing little to bring younger members into their club.
Without new blood and ideas, Ham radio operators are going to go the way of WWII vets. A group of great people passing away in great numbers from old age. Being to set in ones ways can go a long way to making new Hams fell they are not welcome.

At times, we can be our own worst enemy.

Just something to think about, John


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K7NSW on May 17, 2015, 08:45:20 AM
I hope Matt moves on to something other than 2 meter FM and experiences many of the joys ham radio offers. I ALSO hope he will leave his "potty mouth" behind. The last thing we need is more profanity on the hf bands or anywhere else. If he cannot divorce himself from it, then he can always find kindred spirits on channel 19. Those folks really do "speak the language".


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: WD8T on May 21, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
Like others have said....your wasting time with someone as the OP described running the net.   I really hate to believe that new younger hams, or any age, coming into the hobby think all the older hams are "pricks" as he said.  Frankly the guy running the net was probably that way when he was young.    I was 27 years old when I got my Novice ticket and now I'm not.  :)


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KI4OYV on May 22, 2015, 05:59:33 AM
Matt is correct to a point. I've been a ham for going on 10 years. I came from an area where there were "too" many net (if possible)and traffic 24/7 on all bands, to an area where there is little traffic at all. When I became a Tech, I was told that General is usually the "accepted" ticket in most clubs. I became a General 3 years ago and  I also took the VE test and passed, now the club I was with  here, said that in order to do anything, I;d need Extra. Nets are run buy by those who love to go on about the old days and how things were done then. To Matt I say, look around for another net if possible. For the rest of the newbies "Don't Give Up!" It is very frustrating fro sure, but there is always somewhere to "hang your mic" ;D


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: NW0LF on May 22, 2015, 11:08:39 AM
I am an older Ham-approaching 60 and have been licensed for 16 years.  Most of the members of our club are over that, notice I say most.  Our V.P. is 25 and she does an excellent job.  We work hard to welcome everyone that walks in the door, the younger the better.  We have a schoolhouse project where we have brought ham radio to a couple of charter schools in the area.  We have "Hambone College" classes to help new people get licensed or get hams upgraded and I run an Elmers and newbies net every Sunday night.  Our nets don't exclude anyone and if you call on our repeater, if I am home, I will answer and chat with you.  There is a separate ARES group in the area but they are dying a slow death.  Ham radio is what you make it, and we all believe that as a hobby should be fun, and ham radio is a hobby, then you should be having fun and we make it as fun as possible.  KI4OYV, I will tell you, as a VE for 15 years and a VE Liaison for over 4, I would prefer you being an Extra as sometimes it is hard to get 3 VEs together for our monthly testing sessions during the summer.  I tell anyone who approaches me to be a VE to please go for their Extra as I can put them to better use.  I do have 1 General VE but she does the reading for the blind who want to become hams.  Please take no offense.  Outside of that, our club doesn't care what license you hold, how long you have been a ham, or how old you are.  We just care that you enjoy the hobby, want to have fun and want to hang out with us.

"Wolfie", NW0LF

p.s. It is not the class of license the ham holds but the class of the ham that holds the license.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AI7PM on May 29, 2015, 01:36:05 PM
Maybe clubs should be looking at addressing all of the hobby of Amateur radio except Ares/Races and separate the Ares/Races component of Amateur Radio into a separate group.
...
We started a Radio Amateur Club and also have a Ares group. We don't discuss Ares business at the club meetings or club business at Ares meetings. The Ares meeting starts 45 minutes before the club meeting starts.

People are free to belong to one or the other or both.

This has kept everyone happy.


At times, we can be our own worst enemy.
....

Just something to think about, John

Excellent post!

ARES/RACES were never meant to be "clubs". I watched a club take possesion of ARES, only to destroy it, re-brand as AREC, and even try to sell the EMA the impression they were RACES.

ARES was reformed successfully, and now I see members in a second club displaying the same possessive behaviors.

Fortunately we have a strong EC/DEC who has worked to bring all interested operators to the table, regardless of club affiliation (or lack thereof), and a rock solid relationship with the EMA. Weekly nets rotate through the repeaters of both local clubs, which has given a much clearer picture of what coverages everyone has.

There's so much more to the hobby than just EMCOM, but it seems to get much of the attention, and unfortunately, brings out the Colonel Flagg in many people.

$0.02


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AI7PM on May 29, 2015, 01:40:48 PM

Well said.
One of the other FM repeater club impediments ( for me, st least) is the requirement that the EMcomm people have to pledge allegiance to homeland security. I don't mind learning how to help others, etc, but it bugs me that I have to sign on the dotted line. Too much big gov't involved with the funding for the toys,

Pledge allegiance to HS?  Government funding the toys?

I'm curious. Please expound on those two items.

I haven't had to pledge allegiance to anyone or any agency, and nobdy but me has funded my equipment. I'm in ARES, and belong to the County EOC comm team.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC2EU on May 29, 2015, 01:59:57 PM

Well said.
One of the other FM repeater club impediments ( for me, st least) is the requirement that the EMcomm people have to pledge allegiance to homeland security. I don't mind learning how to help others, etc, but it bugs me that I have to sign on the dotted line. Too much big gov't involved with the funding for the toys,

Pledge allegiance to HS?  Government funding the toys?

I'm curious. Please expound on those two items.

I haven't had to pledge allegiance to anyone or any agency, and nobdy but me has funded my equipment. I'm in ARES, and belong to the County EOC comm team.

Did you read the paperwork that you signed?
I was handed a "sign-up" form that had all of that homeland security gibberish in it and was told that I had to agree to be a member. I said no thanks...
Don't you have to go to training seminars. etc? I understand that it is "mandatory". These guys go to periodic training
They also get govt grants for equipment ( portables and base)they have access to at the EOC as well an operating position there. Maybe your state/county is different? I don't know how it all works because I'm not a member, but know folks who are members and they tell me things.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: N8AUC on June 01, 2015, 09:57:54 AM
What "paperwork"?
The only thing you do to "join ARES", is fill out an FSD-98 and turn it in to your county EC.
There is no "pledging of allegiance" to homeland security involved.
There is some training involved before you can actually be useful, though.
Mainly that involves taking FEMA's online IS-100, 200, 700, and 800.
But there isn't any "pledging of allegiance to homeland security" there either.

I'm really not sure what you're referring to.

73 de N8AUC
Eric
District EC in Ohio




Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: N8AUC on June 01, 2015, 10:17:28 AM
And regarding "training seminars"? These are put on by whom?

We have a statewide conference once a year.
The room is usually full, but certainly not everyone attends.

In our district, we try to do a district level conference once a year.

We also try to hold monthly meetings within each county.
Those are supposed to be conducted by each county EC. Not every county does that though.
Part of the format of the meeting is to have a training topic at each one.
It ranges from how to handle formal written traffic, to antennas, or maybe emergency power sources.
Although attendance at meetings is a good idea, and encouraged, they certainly aren't mandatory.

Are you sure this is an ARES group?

73 de N8AUC
Eric
District EC in Ohio



Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC2EU on June 01, 2015, 10:49:20 AM
And regarding "training seminars"? These are put on by whom?

We have a statewide conference once a year.
The room is usually full, but certainly not everyone attends.

In our district, we try to do a district level conference once a year.

We also try to hold monthly meetings within each county.
Those are supposed to be conducted by each county EC. Not every county does that though.
Part of the format of the meeting is to have a training topic at each one.
It ranges from how to handle formal written traffic, to antennas, or maybe emergency power sources.
Although attendance at meetings is a good idea, and encouraged, they certainly aren't mandatory.

Are you sure this is an ARES group?

73 de N8AUC
Eric
District EC in Ohio



here is a ENY site, not the guys I know, but there is a very formal process.
http://www.hudson.arrl.org/eny/ares.htm (http://www.hudson.arrl.org/eny/ares.htm)
If you dig into the ARRL description a bit it says that one of the agencies that ARES may work with is, indeed, Homeland Security.
The form I was handed talked about background checks and approval by HS. i also spoke of being subject 'deployment". If I want to get deployed by a government agency, I'd rather join that organization and GET PAID for it.  Helping is one thing, deployment is another...

Maybe they have all of these stipulations due to the funding they receive, I don't know. You apparently don't have the same setup out there.
They also do "nuke drills" here. I understand that they are rather unique in that regard.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: VE3LYX on June 02, 2015, 05:46:47 AM
Net control guy here tonight, some 70 year old, said that anyone who does not have a dedicated radio for weather, along with other high dollar gear, does not deserve to be a Ham. I am sick of some of these a-holes on the airways who think they are better than everyone else because they have 50 trillion dollars invested in the hobby. So far it is mainly the old ones saying these crappy things, and on the airways at that. Does the FCC have a law on being a prick?

Matt
I probably agree with you but I am already 65. Forget the nets. Build! Then you will enjoy the hobby. I don't play well with others. Why I don't really understand but I don't. I do really enjoy though exploring early builds,(AWA stuff) vintage Military rigs and the occasional QSO. XYL says I have zero tolerance for stupidity. I don't really know. I know I don't give a rats tail about what someone else does as far as "I should do likewise" although I am always listening for good ideas. Chart your own path. Avoid those who bug you. Remember the phrase from Gone with the Wind. "Frankly Scarlet- --- ---- - ----." ;>)
don


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: W4KVW on June 06, 2015, 01:45:24 PM
99.9% of nets are a useless waste of time & band space anyway so who cares what they say? Get away from the nets & enjoy your radio. Not much in life more boring than a net much less on Ham Radio.Go have a QSO or call CQ.  ::)

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KC4MOP on June 08, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Net control guy here tonight, some 70 year old, said that anyone who does not have a dedicated radio for weather, along with other high dollar gear, does not deserve to be a Ham. I am sick of some of these a-holes on the airways who think they are better than everyone else because they have 50 trillion dollars invested in the hobby. So far it is mainly the old ones saying these crappy things, and on the airways at that. Does the FCC have a law on being a prick?

Matt
I probably agree with you but I am already 65. Forget the nets. Build! Then you will enjoy the hobby. I don't play well with others. Why I don't really understand but I don't. I do really enjoy though exploring early builds,(AWA stuff) vintage Military rigs and the occasional QSO. XYL says I have zero tolerance for stupidity. I don't really know. I know I don't give a rats tail about what someone else does as far as "I should do likewise" although I am always listening for good ideas. Chart your own path. Avoid those who bug you. Remember the phrase from Gone with the Wind. "Frankly Scarlet- --- ---- - ----." ;>)
don

I agree. There is a lot more to this hobby than 2M. A little more work needed to build and understand antennas and the fun of propagation on HF. As for life and death survival; I was asking a similar question on another forum that seems to be defunct, and the response was, "you are going to depend on another Amateur operator and the ensuing chaos of lawlessness to save your life"????
I hope the OP will reconsider where he wants to operate and enjoy Ham radio.
fred


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: NQ3M on June 10, 2015, 04:25:25 AM

Quote from: KC4MOP
"you are going to depend on another Amateur operator and the ensuing chaos of lawlessness to save your life"????
That would depend on who the other ham/s is/were an where his/they're 20 is, would it not? Some folks got into radio for reasons other than playing/having another hobby.  HF to microwave + correct antennas + operating talents, = one of the 3 things that are required to operate effectively when it all goes wrong. Loved the net comments, however most net's are good training for down the road, and they will teach you about your gear, controlling your reach, and other ability's.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: WV8RS on June 19, 2015, 05:48:11 AM
There is SO much more in the VHF/UHF Spectrum than repeaters... I have a friend who refuses to use a repeater even though we work 2 meters constantly... "52" FM Simplex is almost a private frequency here in West Virginia... We sometimes get visitors and whole heartedly welcome them to chat with us... A few times we've mentioned "Simplex" to some of the guys at gatherings and we get a "What is that?" response... Multimode rigs are a little expensive but, 2 meter SSB is a whole other world...  Oh, by the way, my friend doesn't care for repeaters because of a bad experience with an "IDIOT" when he was first starting out... He described it as stumbling into a Yellow Jacket's NEST!!! So... By the way, we're both EXTRAS and work from end to end in the Bands... 160 meters up into 440mhz...  I LOVE experimenting with antennas, Larry likes playing with Amplifiers... To each his own... Build you an "Arrow" antenna and work a Sattellite with that "HT"... So much here for so many... 73 de WV8RS...


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K4PIH on June 19, 2015, 06:01:01 AM
I think what the OP ran into was one of those whacker types who crave power and when they get it go out of control. Doesn’t matter if the OP was into prepping or not, he got into ham radio for whatever reason, to be ready for TEOTW as he sees it, and got slapped by the NCS with power but no brains.

One response alluded to the OP being a right-wing nut job. So What? I prep as well and anyone who doesn’t is just kicking the can down the road. Potty mouth … Have you spun the big knob lately and listened? I was out of the hobby for 12 years and then got back in, now I’m wondering.

Yes for ARES you do have to sign a form that connects you to DHS. How do I know this? I work for DHS and work in government disaster response and continuity operations. From my point of view, I wouldn’t sign the form either and I work there! As the latest news points out, your information is not secure with the government.

Back on point. Here was a chance to take a new ham and nurse him into the hobby beyond a local HT net and they blew it! Someone (I think they were called Elmer’s at one time) should have explained that HF can play a big role in a local emergency. Example: Hurricane hits and takes out all comms including the local repeaters. How does the first information get out and in? How do loved ones contact someone to check on family? Look no further than the Tsunami in Japan, earthquake in Haiti. HF will fill the bill.

Was the OP a troll? Possibly, but the troll will remain under the bridge until someone encourages him to come out.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K8QV on June 20, 2015, 10:21:20 AM
Just don't loose interest. Don't lose it, either.



Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K1CJS on June 30, 2015, 08:08:28 PM
The main problem besides those nets and net controllers is the ARRL and the push for what is being called 'public service emergency communications.'  The newer hams are being fed the line that with a 2 mtr. HT and echolink, you can 'work the world.'

As long as that is pushed and repeated, there will be new hams that get disgruntled fast and lose interest.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KJ4DGE on July 01, 2015, 01:51:28 AM
Matt,

I felt the same way with a similar HAM at my club when I started. He knew everything and all others were lids or worse. Hang in there. You will meet some really cool ppl, both elmers and newbies. I met a HAM who was a radio guy for SAC NORAD on Crystal palace among others. Don't let one close-minded anal retentive person ruin your hobby.

KJ4DGE


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: W8LV on January 26, 2018, 06:45:18 PM
1) Google up Ham Nation and Amateurlogic.tv and DXCommander on Youtube.
Watch a few. Then google up some QRP topics on Youtube.

2) Procure a QRP HF Rig. It's more than a mode...
It's a lifestyle choice. It's about making due with what you have,
and being in a contest with YOURSELF.
You will be Challenged. You will Excell!
You will learn about radio!

3) You always meet the Finest People on a QRP rig.
Really. REALLY! That goes Double for the SPRAT (UK)
Guys, and the QRP ARCI guys. These are the FINEST people
that you will break bread with, and that you will have QSO's with!

4) QRPARCI holds a parallel event to The Dayton (Greenfield)
Hamvention in Hotel nearby every year....
Google "Four Days in May", with everyone going over to the
"Big" Hamvention on Saturday. We have a Vendors Night,
AND a "Show and Tell" Night, AND an Awards Dinner with a
Multiple Prize Raffle. Bring your wife, even if she isn't a ham...
She will be made to feel WELCOME!

;-)

73 and All the Best!
DE W8LV.





Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: N8FVJ on January 27, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
Have fun and play. Don't let the old geezers bother you. Hell, I am an old geezer with a young mind & those old geezers get on my nerves too.

Get a license upgrade & expand your activities. 2 meter & 70cm long haul SSB is a blast. 6 meters is fun and 6 meter aurora is a riot.

Many contacts on 160 to at times on 10 meters when it opens up even in the low sun spot cycle. I like the guys out there that are like myself. Perhaps we're geeks. That is technical type geeks, but I like geeks. Perhaps I am a geek.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KQ4MM on January 28, 2018, 06:47:51 AM
What good is HF in a local emergency, which we are soon for sure going to experience? Just takes another cop to kill some thug criminal and all hell will breakout soon enough. The next election in itself is going to cause disaster. Every local net is fm. If my city is burning I doubt I wanna talk on hf to some other state/country.

Matt

Good advice from the others for sure, move on to better modes and bands ... that said, you sound a bit like a prepper ( not meant to be offensive as I too embrace some aspects of that mindset), "all hell will breakout soon enough" Do you seriously think hams are going to flock to the local 2M repeater when civil war breaks out to coordinate self defense? and if they did what good would it accomplish to coordinate with someone 15 miles away. In a worst case scenario I bet most repeaters would be silent in a civil war situation if even still operational.

For me 2M is only useful if you are part of the local click or have a interest in participating or listening skywarn

Back prior to cell it was useful for phone patch ( which I used many times in personal emergency situations, i.e.; phone in a accident, notify someone I was going to be late so as not to worry, etc...)

If you only got your license for 2M operations, then you have what you have, probably would have been better served by trying FRS with less hassle

Good luck in your adventure

73 KQ4MM




Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KG4RUL on January 28, 2018, 11:51:08 AM
What good is HF in a local emergency, which we are soon for sure going to experience? Just takes another cop to kill some thug criminal and all hell will breakout soon enough. The next election in itself is going to cause disaster. Every local net is fm. If my city is burning I doubt I wanna talk on hf to some other state/country.

Matt

Sounds like you would be better off investing in more food, weapons and ammunition.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AA2UK on February 21, 2018, 10:59:14 AM
I am not sure why Matt has yet to share his "new" call? I find it a disturbing trend that new hams aren't proud enough of their accomplishment that they don't display their call instead they use some internet ID?
Does anyone else see this?
Bill, AA2UK


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AA2UK on February 21, 2018, 11:39:25 AM
What good is HF in a local emergency, which we are soon for sure going to experience? Just takes another cop to kill some thug criminal and all hell will breakout soon enough. The next election in itself is going to cause disaster. Every local net is fm. If my city is burning I doubt I wanna talk on hf to some other state/country.

Matt

I missed this Matt doesn't want to listen to a 70 year old's politics but he doesn't mind telling us his? We have an entire generation of snowflakes when I was young we called them something else.
Wow just wow, no call and a thread where he dumps his frustrations about his pathetic life. Grow up, grow a pair Matt...
He's probably stuck on one repeater cause the mag mount antenna on his 2 meter FM rig doesn't work well from his parents basement...
Bill, AA2UK


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: KD8IIC on February 22, 2018, 06:07:44 AM
  Might be Matt is a little thin skinned.
  Everyone, including Hams, have their own opinions. Everyone deserves to be respected.
  Many new ops have some real mis-conceptions about amateur radio in general and the
  people involved. Many new hams get into this hobby for some different reasons than the scope
  of what amateur radio ever was all about initially.
  Bottom Line Is; Amateur Radio is not for everyone despite what the league publishe$.
  Dis-satisfied?  Move on then... there's other things for you to do.  ;)


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AA2UK on February 22, 2018, 06:56:21 AM
Not a single response from Matt after 4 plus pages.......
Bill, AA2UK


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K6CPO on February 22, 2018, 01:08:12 PM
Not a single response from Matt after 4 plus pages.......
Bill, AA2UK

You realize the original post was made almost three years ago, right?


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC7CW on February 22, 2018, 05:45:35 PM
Not a single response from Matt after 4 plus pages.......
Bill, AA2UK

You realize the original post was made almost three years ago, right?

You beat me to it... not to mention that the troll that started the thread made two posts and went away, couldn't spell "losing", etc...


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: N9VO on February 25, 2018, 04:52:33 AM
I'm betting that Mattj and this thread was started by the Russians!!!

Not everyone is meant to be a ham.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: N0YG on February 25, 2018, 05:54:53 AM
I remember just starting out and like one ham has said, All I has was a HT and I did use the repeater, that was all I could afford at the time. The HT was a new Radio Shack 2 meter and cost I think $80 which was a lot then. As I got into ham radio the more the cost was something else. I never thought about the equipment cost and if I had been smart enough to research it, I would have dropped it like a hot potato. So MATT, you should probably figure out what part of HAM radio really interests him and do that because now 30+ yrs later 2 meter repeater operation still sucks for the most part and still has ELITIST or A$$ holes on the freq. and the price of equipment is SKY HIGH. There is a lot that could be said about repeaters good and bad but I will probably get a ton of crap for what I have already said. GOOD LUCK MATT.
P.S. I know used equipment is an option.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: K0UA on March 28, 2018, 07:26:53 AM
I remember just starting out and like one ham has said, All I has was a HT and I did use the repeater, that was all I could afford at the time. The HT was a new Radio Shack 2 meter and cost I think $80 which was a lot then. As I got into ham radio the more the cost was something else. I never thought about the equipment cost and if I had been smart enough to research it, I would have dropped it like a hot potato. So MATT, you should probably figure out what part of HAM radio really interests him and do that because now 30+ yrs later 2 meter repeater operation still sucks for the most part and still has ELITIST or A$$ holes on the freq. and the price of equipment is SKY HIGH. There is a lot that could be said about repeaters good and bad but I will probably get a ton of crap for what I have already said. GOOD LUCK MATT.
P.S. I know used equipment is an option.

Huh?  Cost of equipment is sky high?  Uh no.  Ham radio equipment has never been as modestly priced as today.  For example your $80 HT back then can now be replace with an equivalent for about $25 in TODAYS dollars.  So yes the price of of that HT is several times cheaper now.  Also the most popular HF radio today the IC7300 based upon sales numbers.  AT $1149 now and was on sale for Christmas for $999 including shipping, I would say it is quite a bargain.  Lest you think I am Just an Icom fan, Yaesu and Kenwood also have transceivers that offer more value for less money than anything offered 10 or 20 years ago.

More radio, less money.  That's the way I see it for radios purchased today.  Please show me I am wrong.


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC7CW on March 29, 2018, 10:17:09 AM
The thread title with "loosing" in it... I keep seeing that every time I come to eham and it bothers me... I try and I try to tell people it's "losing", I mean... I've done this for decades now, all over the internet and I'm a little exhausted maybe,  but there it is, another "looser"... I guess I just have to try to be more tolerant towards the grammar/spelling challenged posters. I'll work on that... I hope I never encounter a "LOOSER", I mean, wow, all caps and spelling challenged! Might be more than I can handle, not sure where I would go from there, seriously...


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: PU2OZT on March 29, 2018, 10:58:04 AM
...not sure where I would go from they're seriously...
there at it, mispelling, each day that passes, hurting french or portuguese languages each week even more, not even the slightest clue. However, German language remains immune and I guess, maybe, russian too?
Too bad eHam do not correct titles, would be easier to find out, later, a thread that could be of some interest.

Oliver     


Title: RE: New ham loosing interest really fast.
Post by: AC7CW on March 30, 2018, 04:04:42 PM
...not sure where I would go from they're seriously...
there at it, mispelling, each day that passes, hurting french or portuguese languages each week even more, not even the slightest clue. However, German language remains immune and I guess, maybe, russian too?
Too bad eHam do not correct titles, would be easier to find out, later, a thread that could be of some interest.

Oliver     


It's a problem!! Some people are capable of change, maybe only after they hit rock bottom though...