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Title: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on May 12, 2015, 08:29:31 AM
MS annouced that there is no planned replacement for Win 10. They are taking a different angle with 10. As stated earlier it will be a modular OS with future major updated planned. It seems that they to continue to update features it will offer for several years.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: G8YMW on May 12, 2015, 09:30:27 AM
From what I gather, it will be continual rolling updates rather than loads of updates on fixed dates.
One thing that bothers me is the rumour that automatic updates will be compulsory with no chance to review what you are installing, given Microsoft's record on the reliability of some of their updates. Not to.mention the possibility of an update coming in when you are busy with something.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on May 12, 2015, 10:04:48 AM
From what I gather, it will be continual rolling updates rather than loads of updates on fixed dates.
One thing that bothers me is the rumour that automatic updates will be compulsory with no chance to review what you are installing, given Microsoft's record on the reliability of some of their updates. Not to.mention the possibility of an update coming in when you are busy with something.

Well I suspect it will be like update on Win RT. While it will download them automatically it will not apply them and reboot without notification/permission.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KB2WVO on May 31, 2015, 07:40:44 PM
gates said it long time ago. he didnt want a full desktop os. he wanted a cloud type system.
you rent or pay for the things you want.
this to me seems he is brings cell windows to desktops.

easter egg on 98 cd. anyone remember it. lol



Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: VK6IS on June 01, 2015, 05:25:50 AM
it's now on countdown:
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/01/hello-world-windows-10-available-on-july-29/
and
http://www.zdnet.com/article/get-your-pc-ready-for-windows-10/

- 8 weeks to go.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KC4MOP on June 01, 2015, 05:21:14 PM
I received a notice from MS that my machine qualifies for WIN10. It is not an exceptional machine with many many cores and ram, etc etc. Will Win 10 be worth the upgrade? Or will it slow my computer down and make is a POS?? The upgrade is supposedly really free. There are certain parameters of who is really free and not.
I have a lot of Ham programs and SDR stuff "wired" in my WIN 7 computer. I would hate to have all that turn to SH**
Fred


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K3GC on June 01, 2015, 06:46:53 PM
I have been running win 10 for several months.  There have been and there still are bugs but they are being squashed rapidly.
I like 10 and all my ham software runs ok - a few glitches but I expect they will be resolved by the time the production Windows 10 is released.
10 is a big improvement over Windows 8 or 8.1.
For those who have and like Windows 7 I would see no pressing reason to upgrade real soon. 
I am a true geek and love to bleed on the cutting edge :).
Gene K3GC


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 02, 2015, 04:41:42 AM
Several PC's here just got notification of a free Win10 up grade on July 29th. It says it will be a 3gb download and will download automatically but you choose if and when to install.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: NA4IT on June 02, 2015, 04:56:01 AM
One work... LINUX.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: NK7Z on June 02, 2015, 05:08:16 AM
Several PC's here just got notification of a free Win10 up grade on July 29th. It says it will be a 3gb download and will download automatically but you choose if and when to install.
One question...  Why the free upgrade, and why so far back as Win7?  Makes me nervous...  What am I not being told?  M$ doesn't do ANYTHING for free...  I am moving towards Linux anyway, and this just makes me move faster...


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W2BLC on June 02, 2015, 05:45:27 AM
I will probably have to keep one machine running Windows, due to the constraints of the software I run. I feel there will be another shoe fall on the Windows 10 for free thing and am endeavoring to switch to Linux Mint.

One major holdup is HRD - which will not function under Linux at all. I do not care to play the dual boot game nor the VM stuff. I will either run straight Linux across the board, or not bother at all.

Hence, I am on the prowl for radio control software - not logging and rotor turning - just simple rig control.

Bill W2BLC


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 02, 2015, 06:08:54 AM
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on June 02, 2015, 06:10:48 AM
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.

... in your opinion.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 02, 2015, 06:27:42 AM
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.

... in your opinion.

No not just my "Opinion" it is a matter of fact as shown by market and app support but hey I know Trolls like you do not think about or understand things like this...  To you ignorance of this matter is bliss.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on June 02, 2015, 06:58:30 AM
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.

... in your opinion.

No not just my "Opinion" it is a matter of fact as shown by market and app support but hey I know Trolls like you do not think about or understand things like this...  To you ignorance of this matter is bliss.


"You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time."

... in your opinion.

As for ignorance... I've run  TI-994a, RS Color Computer, Apple IIs, Classic MacOS, OS X, Windows (3.1-XP). I moved from OS X to Linux based distros. I've dual booted Linux distros on Mac PPCs, Intel desktops laptops and netbooks .I know several people using Linux based distros. I don't feel hamstrung. They don't seem to feel hamstrung.

Also, you need to define "market and app support" ... as you are using it.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 02, 2015, 07:04:40 AM
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.

... in your opinion.

No not just my "Opinion" it is a matter of fact as shown by market and app support but hey I know Trolls like you do not think about or understand things like this...  To you ignorance of this matter is bliss.


"You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time."

... in your opinion.

As for ignorance... I've run  TI-994a, RS Color Computer, Apple IIs, Classic MacOS, OS X, Windows (3.1-XP). I moved from OS X to Linux based distros. I've dual booted Linux distros on Mac PPCs, Intel desktops laptops and netbooks .I know several people using Linux based distros. I don't feel hamstrung. They don't seem to feel hamstrung.

Also, you need to define "market and app support" ... as you are using it.

Like I said ignorance is bliss as you are stuck in old ways like most trolls are.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on June 02, 2015, 07:47:07 AM
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.

... in your opinion.

No not just my "Opinion" it is a matter of fact as shown by market and app support but hey I know Trolls like you do not think about or understand things like this...  To you ignorance of this matter is bliss.


"You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time."

... in your opinion.

As for ignorance... I've run  TI-994a, RS Color Computer, Apple IIs, Classic MacOS, OS X, Windows (3.1-XP). I moved from OS X to Linux based distros. I've dual booted Linux distros on Mac PPCs, Intel desktops laptops and netbooks .I know several people using Linux based distros. I don't feel hamstrung. They don't seem to feel hamstrung.

Also, you need to define "market and app support" ... as you are using it.

Like I said ignorance is bliss as you are stuck in old ways like most trolls are.

You are free to make your incorrect inferences. And I notice you again show no support for your position.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: WW7KE on June 02, 2015, 08:29:30 AM
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.

Other than AutoCAD and some other high-end or specialized software, how?

Browsers?  Firefox and Chrome are available for all 3 platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux).

Office Suite?  LibreOffice still has a few formatting issues with Word, notably with outline numbering, but otherwise it's completely compatible with MSOffice.

Email?   Thunderbird works with Exchange, but a license from ExQuilla is required ($10).  Not free, but it still works.  Thunderbird, BTW, is cross-platform.

Ham software?  Just about anything one can think of is either available for both or there is a Linux equivalent to Windows-only software.

Programming Languages?  Other than .NET (I'm not sure Mono is being worked on anymore) and Visual Basic, anything that can be done in Windows can be done in Linux, with the proper adaptions for the GUI in use.  All major languages are available for both.

Number of Apps?  All the major Linux distros have thousands of apps available.  Debian invented the "App Store," aka the software repository, over 20 years ago.  Windows?  IIRC, Microsoft will have an app store for the first time, in Win10.  They've been way behind that curve for years.

So you were saying?  ;)


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 02, 2015, 09:27:38 AM
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.

Other than AutoCAD and some other high-end or specialized software, how?

Browsers?  Firefox and Chrome are available for all 3 platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux).

Office Suite?  LibreOffice still has a few formatting issues with Word, notably with outline numbering, but otherwise it's completely compatible with MSOffice.

Email?   Thunderbird works with Exchange, but a license from ExQuilla is required ($10).  Not free, but it still works.  Thunderbird, BTW, is cross-platform.

Ham software?  Just about anything one can think of is either available for both or there is a Linux equivalent to Windows-only software.

Programming Languages?  Other than .NET (I'm not sure Mono is being worked on anymore) and Visual Basic, anything that can be done in Windows can be done in Linux, with the proper adaptions for the GUI in use.  All major languages are available for both.

Number of Apps?  All the major Linux distros have thousands of apps available.  Debian invented the "App Store," aka the software repository, over 20 years ago.  Windows?  IIRC, Microsoft will have an app store for the first time, in Win10.  They've been way behind that curve for years.

So you were saying?  ;)

All you guys need to d0 a reality check, for every one program for linux or MAC OS there is 15 or 20 for Windows platform. Because of a very limited selection of a few ham programs and few cross platform browsers you pronounce these very small market share OS'es having main stream support. You really have head in the sand. I guess you believe is miracles too.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on June 02, 2015, 12:43:22 PM
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.

Other than AutoCAD and some other high-end or specialized software, how?

Browsers?  Firefox and Chrome are available for all 3 platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux).

Office Suite?  LibreOffice still has a few formatting issues with Word, notably with outline numbering, but otherwise it's completely compatible with MSOffice.

Email?   Thunderbird works with Exchange, but a license from ExQuilla is required ($10).  Not free, but it still works.  Thunderbird, BTW, is cross-platform.

Ham software?  Just about anything one can think of is either available for both or there is a Linux equivalent to Windows-only software.

Programming Languages?  Other than .NET (I'm not sure Mono is being worked on anymore) and Visual Basic, anything that can be done in Windows can be done in Linux, with the proper adaptions for the GUI in use.  All major languages are available for both.

Number of Apps?  All the major Linux distros have thousands of apps available.  Debian invented the "App Store," aka the software repository, over 20 years ago.  Windows?  IIRC, Microsoft will have an app store for the first time, in Win10.  They've been way behind that curve for years.

So you were saying?  ;)

All you guys need to d0 a reality check, for every one program for linux or MAC OS there is 15 or 20 for Windows platform. Because of a very limited selection of a few ham programs and few cross platform browsers you pronounce these very small market share OS'es having main stream support. You really have head in the sand. I guess you believe is miracles too.

Not to mention the low quality, undocumented, and half finished/abandoned buggy applications that masquerade as the Linux equivalent to a Windows application.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W2BLC on June 02, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
There is Nothing comparable to HRD the runs under Linux. A simple logging program is not going to replace HRD - so don't even try.

No TurboTax for Linux.

No WYSIWYG HTML authoring software for Linux.

VOIP programs for hams are nearly nonexistent.

To much of the available software for hams under Linux is fiddly to install and not intuitive to use..

Connecting a simple Dell printer took over fours to get running, due to driver issues. It was plug and play on Windows.

No EzNEC for Linux.

Do not expect WINE (whine) to be of much help. Some simple programs for Windows will run using it (although not completely or well in every case).

Do not get me wrong- I like Linux (Mint) and support their efforts. I have been using Linux for several years, however, in my case - it will not do everything I can do under Windows.

If all you want is a browser, email, an Office type program, and play a few AARP games - then Linux will do you well.

A lot of scientific types use Linux and use it well - building their own programs for their specific needs. Not all of us can do that.

Do I relish the bloated Windows 10? Not at all! Then again, I do not like trying to use partially functioning software being passed off as a work-alike replacement for a popular Windows program. For example, those programs that "work just like" Quicken - filled with quirks and not complete nor safe to rely upon.

I wrote my own spreadsheets to do the job under Linux using Libre Office. Nice challenge, more work than should have been necessary.

My 2 cents worth on the topic of Linux vs. Windows xxxx.

Bill W2BLC


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 02, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
Bloated is kinda a relative term. If you try to run 10 on old hardware it will not shine but on modern fast hardware with 8 gig or more on ram it like 8.x should do nicely.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on June 02, 2015, 07:31:03 PM
There is Nothing comparable to HRD the runs under Linux. A simple logging program is not going to replace HRD - so don't even try.

No TurboTax for Linux.

No WYSIWYG HTML authoring software for Linux.

VOIP programs for hams are nearly nonexistent.

To much of the available software for hams under Linux is fiddly to install and not intuitive to use..

Connecting a simple Dell printer took over fours to get running, due to driver issues. It was plug and play on Windows.

No EzNEC for Linux.

Do not expect WINE (whine) to be of much help. Some simple programs for Windows will run using it (although not completely or well in every case).

Do not get me wrong- I like Linux (Mint) and support their efforts. I have been using Linux for several years, however, in my case - it will not do everything I can do under Windows.

If all you want is a browser, email, an Office type program, and play a few AARP games - then Linux will do you well.

A lot of scientific types use Linux and use it well - building their own programs for their specific needs. Not all of us can do that.

Do I relish the bloated Windows 10? Not at all! Then again, I do not like trying to use partially functioning software being passed off as a work-alike replacement for a popular Windows program. For example, those programs that "work just like" Quicken - filled with quirks and not complete nor safe to rely upon.

I wrote my own spreadsheets to do the job under Linux using Libre Office. Nice challenge, more work than should have been necessary.

My 2 cents worth on the topic of Linux vs. Windows xxxx.

Bill W2BLC


Fine, fine... dont' run Linux distros :-)


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on June 02, 2015, 08:01:34 PM
There is Nothing comparable to HRD the runs under Linux. A simple logging program is not going to replace HRD - so don't even try.

fldig does not have rotator control or satellite tracking. But them, one of the principles of open source software is not to have kitchen sink applications. But then emacs my have stretched that principle a little :-)

No TurboTax for Linux.

No stand alone, but I've used Turbo Tax from their web site for years.

No WYSIWYG HTML authoring software for Linux.

Komposer, BlueGriffon, Amaya. And how much does Dreamweaver, with all of it's spaghetti code, cost?

VOIP programs for hams are nearly nonexistent.
Skype, Ekiga, Linphone, Yate, Jitsi

To much of the available software for hams under Linux is fiddly to install and not intuitive to use.

What ham software for Linux is "fiddly" to install? And what does "fiddly to install" mean?

Connecting a simple Dell printer took over fours to get running, due to driver issues. It was plug and play on Windows.

Plug and play, huh? Where did the drivers come from?

No EzNEC for Linux.

4NEC2. Can't make a comparison myself because I've never used either package.

Do not expect WINE (whine) to be of much help. Some simple programs for Windows will run using it (although not completely or well in every case).

Some complex programs WILL run under it, and well.

Do not get me wrong- I like Linux (Mint) and support their efforts. I have been using Linux for several years, however, in my case - it will not do everything I can do under Windows.

I have no doubt that is true for you and others.

If all you want is a browser, email, an Office type program, and play a few AARP games - then Linux will do you well.

I do  use email and browse the web, but no games. I also edit pictures, audio and video. aS well as maintain my logs (QRZ, eQSL and LOTW, local log), use APRS, use digital modes, slow scan tv, track satellites and talk on EchoLink (Qtel)



A lot of scientific types use Linux and use it well - building their own programs for their specific needs. Not all of us can do that.

And that is a big plus of Open Source software. It can be legally changed and then redistributed.

Do I relish the bloated Windows 10? Not at all! Then again, I do not like trying to use partially functioning software being passed off as a work-alike replacement for a popular Windows program. For example, those programs that "work just like" Quicken - filled with quirks and not complete nor safe to rely upon.

I wrote my own spreadsheets to do the job under Linux using Libre Office. Nice challenge, more work than should have been necessary.

How much time did you spend learning Calc vs how much you spent learning Excel?

My 2 cents worth on the topic of Linux vs. Windows xxxx.

Bill W2BLC


Thanks :-)
I'll keep using OpenSuse as my main desktop system.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: NK7Z on June 03, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
For once, shockingly, I find I am somewhat agreement with W7JX, (Absolvat me Deus), at least on this one single issue-- his Linux assessment of ham software... 

I have been trying to move from a Windows to Linux only environment for two years now, and really am stuck finding a single program that will do everything MixW does...  Save that single program, I would be all Linux...  I have found replacements for every other needed program... 
Wine fails to run MixW, however I may be moving to Virtual Box to try that...  MixW is old, not maintained, and in general ignored, but it does exactly what I need, (fully integrated logging, spotting, and operations), so I keep a Windows 7 machine around just for that software, and a few of the programs like DX Atlas, and it's ilk.  I have to be honest, after two years of looking, I still have my Windows 7 box, and can't see a way to make it go away, without sacrificing some functionality for ham software...


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: N0IU on June 03, 2015, 08:25:25 AM
There is Nothing comparable to HRD the runs under Linux.

And there is no one else that provides customer service like HRD... thank goodness!


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: NK7Z on June 03, 2015, 08:31:04 AM
There is Nothing comparable to HRD the runs under Linux.

And there is no one else that provides customer service like HRD... thank goodness!
That's funny!  Thanks for the chuckle! 


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: N0IU on June 03, 2015, 08:42:44 AM
Let's see how long my post survives. We'll see how much pull the principles of HRD have over here. If I had made that remark on the "other" forum, I would be banned for life!


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 03, 2015, 10:28:25 AM
There is Nothing comparable to HRD the runs under Linux.

And there is no one else that provides customer service like HRD... thank goodness!

And one cluster fart "Ham Radio Disaster" is enough. 


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: EA4TA on June 03, 2015, 03:58:09 PM
I will probably have to keep one machine running Windows, due to the constraints of the software I run. I feel there will be another shoe fall on the Windows 10 for free thing and am endeavoring to switch to Linux Mint.

Do it, like most of us do.
I have an old falling to pieces Vista laptop. Need it once a year to pay taxes with mandatory Internet Explorer.

One major holdup is HRD - which will not function under Linux at all. I do not care to play the dual boot game nor the VM stuff. I will either run straight Linux across the board, or not bother at all.

Hence, I am on the prowl for radio control software - not logging and rotor turning - just simple rig control.

Bill W2BLC


Give CQRLOG a try. It makes everything you request, and then some. It works amazingly well and you may even prefer it to HRD. I know I do. (And I also preferred Logger32 to HRD by a big margin when on Windows).

By the way, and about the OS wars :

Linux is chosen by us, the computer geeks, nerds, h4x0rs, script kiddies, professionals and wannabes. We have the knowledge, so we can choose it. If any other option was any better, it would take us minutes to adopt it. It's that easy.

The disadvantage, everybody knows it. Its price of admission is high. You need to be good with computers, or have at least the desire to learn. A little bit like experiemental ham radio. If you like to fiddle with things, Linux is the tweakers choice.

And Windows is pretty fine too. It's main advantage is that it is the O.S. for the masses. For the end user. No need to see the code of Matrix if you don't want to. You can share setup or usage tips with your neighbours, and it even comes preinstalled at the supermarket.

Saludos,

Eduardo, EA4TA


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: WW7KE on June 03, 2015, 04:48:58 PM

By the way, and about the OS wars :

Linux is chosen by us, the computer geeks, nerds, h4x0rs, script kiddies, professionals and wannabes. We have the knowledge, so we can choose it. If any other option was any better, it would take us minutes to adopt it. It's that easy.

The disadvantage, everybody knows it. Its price of admission is high. You need to be good with computers, or have at least the desire to learn. A little bit like experiemental ham radio. If you like to fiddle with things, Linux is the tweakers choice.

All OSes have a learning curve.  When I first started using Windows 95, it was completely different than the 3.1 I was used to using.  I'm trying to learn the Mac now, and it's completely different than Windows, Android, or the common Linux GUIs (KDE/Gnome/Unity, etc.).  In fact, Finder reminds me more of Windows 3.1 Program Manager than anything that's been released in the last 20 years, only prettier.  I don't care very much for it, but it is what it is. 

Linux isn't anywhere near as hard to learn, as an average "operator" as it used to be.  The GUI is pretty close to Win7 and earlier, although it can be made to be whatever you want (most won't bother).  The Linux shell is different (and better, once you get used to it) than MS-DOS's command.com or the current Windows shell.  OSX, by the way, also uses the Bash shell, like Linux.

But the OS doesn't matter all that much as an end-user.  The programs are what matters, and few people would have any trouble getting used to Linux.  But they won't bother because they have Windows boxes that work perfectly well for them.  They don't work perfectly well enough for me.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: N5INP on June 03, 2015, 05:55:16 PM
This laptop I'm on just asked me (in the windows update area) if I wanted to reserve Windows 10 for this PC. So I did.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KC4MOP on June 04, 2015, 06:50:52 AM
A lot of hoopla for WIN 10....Many unhappy users with WIN8.
But if we accept this FREE upgrade; where is the hard copy or disk for WIN10. You know when the HDD crashes and you have re-install your system. Or a virus infection is deep in your OS?? And you gotta wipe the drive and start over???
Fred


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K1CJS on June 04, 2015, 07:42:27 AM
One question...  Why the free upgrade, and why so far back as Win7?  Makes me nervous...  What am I not being told?  M$ doesn't do ANYTHING for free...  I am moving towards Linux anyway, and this just makes me move faster...

Simply put, Win 7 was the last decent windows OS on the market.  A lot of people who upgraded to Win 8 and 8.1 thought so, and are sorry they did.  Microsoft feels their pain--even if they (Microsoft) don't agree that Win 8 and its successor was a POS.  So, Microsoft is going to cut its losses (as in the Win 8 debacle) and offer a free upgrade--but just for a limited time.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K1CJS on June 04, 2015, 07:44:12 AM
A lot of hoopla for WIN 10....Many unhappy users with WIN8.
But if we accept this FREE upgrade; where is the hard copy or disk for WIN10. You know when the HDD crashes and you have re-install your system. Or a virus infection is deep in your OS?? And you gotta wipe the drive and start over???
Fred

Instead of accepting the upgrade alone, download the image for a Win 10 installation DVD now or before it disappears.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 04, 2015, 07:52:45 AM
A lot of hoopla for WIN 10....Many unhappy users with WIN8.
But if we accept this FREE upgrade; where is the hard copy or disk for WIN10. You know when the HDD crashes and you have re-install your system. Or a virus infection is deep in your OS?? And you gotta wipe the drive and start over???
Fred

Like ANY MS OS install from a image it gives you the option to make a backup install DVD dah.... I guess you missed that memo long ago.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W5NM on June 06, 2015, 01:51:02 PM
When Bill Gates gets his way with Cloud computing and all pc's are continually connected to the Cloud,
The Cloud will be and and will have Your computer and all of Your personal and private information to go with it. (Kinda like China and Russia already have all your information)
I have been a Certified professional computer builder, repair person , programmer , troubleshooter and diagnostician for the last 30 years and I wouldn't trust Bill Gates, the Government or its so called
intelligence agencies as far as I could throw them.
In fact there are things coming down the pike that will shake personal computing to the core.
Hang on Children!  Its gonna be a rough ride.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K1CJS on June 06, 2015, 03:04:31 PM
I too don't like this "cloud computing" and all that goes along with it.  AAMOF, I refuse to purchase any software where the software manufacturer can remove access to that software by one means or another even if the software is used according to the licensing agreements.  That's one reason that I'm going to review Win 10 before I put one penny toward it or the ridiculous "everything in the cloud" concept that may or may not go with it.  I also refuse to buy any software that requires my computer to be connected to the WWW for its use.  All that is is a racket to benefit the software manufacturers and the telecom companies--and the hackers!

If I can't get an unlimited license (within reason, of course) to use what I buy, I won't buy it.  I'm not in any way going to 'rent' software with perpetual rental payments that are only going to fatten some company's bottom line while they make trivial upgrades--and work on a 'new release' that they'll charge even more for.  And the old software?  Even if it works OK for the user, they'll have no choice but to pay the rent fees on the new one--that may not even do what they need it to do anymore!  You say baloney?  Just look at Adobe and their flash player and the 'no new upgrades' to it for the people who are still using Win XP--and I don't care if it was 'free' software, it still cost users one way or another. 

I waited on Windows 7 until I could get a deal on it, and it paid off.  My copy of the Windows 7 Ultimate software with its original packaging and its license key and label only cost me $89, and that was from someone who bought a new machine when their old one with that copy of 7 let go.
 
Go ahead and call me stingy--I prefer the term 'frugal' myself, but in my way of thinking, people who just have to jump on that new wagon as soon as it turns the corner aren't doing anyone including themselves any favors.  ANYONE.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on June 08, 2015, 03:24:07 AM
One question...  Why the free upgrade, and why so far back as Win7?  Makes me nervous...  What am I not being told?  M$ doesn't do ANYTHING for free...  I am moving towards Linux anyway, and this just makes me move faster...

Simply put, Win 7 was the last decent windows OS on the market.  A lot of people who upgraded to Win 8 and 8.1 thought so, and are sorry they did.  Microsoft feels their pain--even if they (Microsoft) don't agree that Win 8 and its successor was a POS.  So, Microsoft is going to cut its losses (as in the Win 8 debacle) and offer a free upgrade--but just for a limited time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on June 08, 2015, 04:40:58 AM
One question...  Why the free upgrade, and why so far back as Win7?  Makes me nervous...  What am I not being told?  M$ doesn't do ANYTHING for free...  I am moving towards Linux anyway, and this just makes me move faster...

Simply put, Win 7 was the last decent windows OS on the market.  A lot of people who upgraded to Win 8 and 8.1 thought so, and are sorry they did.  Microsoft feels their pain--even if they (Microsoft) don't agree that Win 8 and its successor was a POS.  So, Microsoft is going to cut its losses (as in the Win 8 debacle) and offer a free upgrade--but just for a limited time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)

That does seem to explain your position.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: WA2ONH on June 08, 2015, 05:56:11 AM
Here's latest on Win 10 topic from Ask Woody via his June 8th InfoWorld article...

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2932295/microsoft-windows/windows-10-reality-check-separating-fact-from-fiction.html

Windows 10 reality check: Separating fact from fiction

Licensing, upgrade paths, ‘Windows as a Service’ -- here’s the lowdown on common Win10 misconceptions

Woody Leonhard — Senior Contributing Editor

Woody Leonhard writes computer books, primarily about Windows and Office; he's currently working on the Win 10 follow-up to the thousand-page "Windows 8.1 All-in-One for Dummies." A self-described "Windows victim," Woody specializes in telling the truth about Windows in a way that won't put you to sleep.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 08, 2015, 06:22:20 AM
One question...  Why the free upgrade, and why so far back as Win7?  Makes me nervous...  What am I not being told?  M$ doesn't do ANYTHING for free...  I am moving towards Linux anyway, and this just makes me move faster...

Simply put, Win 7 was the last decent windows OS on the market.  A lot of people who upgraded to Win 8 and 8.1 thought so, and are sorry they did.  Microsoft feels their pain--even if they (Microsoft) don't agree that Win 8 and its successor was a POS.  So, Microsoft is going to cut its losses (as in the Win 8 debacle) and offer a free upgrade--but just for a limited time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)

That does seem to explain your position.

Decent maybe as a PC only OS of yesterday but today we are cross platform with smartphones and tablets and Win 7 is a total dead end here. Those with limited vision of current and future trends think the past is the solution for today but those that see future know Win 7 is DOA. If MS clung to Win 7 mentality and old WIN32 they would soon fade away. Also many here do not realize than MS longer longer uses WIN32 libraries in 8x or 10. They use a new library called WIN RT (not to be confused with RT tablet and supports 64 bit too) The new library supports old WIN32 calls so old apps run but it also supports a new generation of apps as well that are unsupported by Win 7. Clinging to Win 7 is kinda like clinging to Win9x 15 years ago as new full 32 bit apps replaced old 16 bit apps. New apps will replace old WIN32 apps one day (not for a few years) because it supports a lot more features and those clinging to Win 7 will be stuck clinging to old software.

In a nut shell it is funny to watch those saying 7 is way to go for next 5 years while it is on life support only (security updates/fixes only) and no future software support vs Win8x which today supports OLD WIN32 apps and future WIN RT apps and is far more future proof. Many do not like change though and have to learn hard way.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K1CJS on June 08, 2015, 06:53:20 AM
'JX, you've put out so much bunk and blather that it's a wonder that anyone still listens to you.

You said Win 10 is the last windows.  Microsoft never said that.

You said that Win 10 is going to be entirely cloud based.  Microsoft says otherwise.

Those who 'cling' to Win 7....  When are you going to stop?  It's been said time and again that some people are happy with the version of Windows they're using.  Some people still don't have a cell phone, while others still have their old 'dumb' phones.  When are you going to stop with your pure bullshit about those who don't upgrade will be left behind?  The people who have things that work for them don't need your bull.  

If you want to keep spending to make Microsoft happy and solvent, go right ahead.  Leave the rest of us in peace.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on June 08, 2015, 12:21:46 PM
'JX, you've put out so much bunk and blather that it's a wonder that anyone still listens to you.

You said Win 10 is the last windows.  Microsoft never said that.

You said that Win 10 is going to be entirely cloud based.  Microsoft says otherwise.

Those who 'cling' to Win 7....  When are you going to stop?  It's be version of Windows een said time and again that some people are happy with the version of Windows they're using.  Some people still don't have a cell phone, while others still have their old 'dumb' phones.  When are you going to stop with your pure bullshit about those who don't upgrade will be left behind?  The people who have things that work for them don't need your bull. 

If you want to keep spending to make Microsoft happy and solvent, go right ahead.  Leave the rest of us in peace.

If you don't like what he says then put him on ignore.  Let the rest of us in peace instead of whining like a spoiled little girl every time he says something you don't like.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on June 08, 2015, 12:22:18 PM
One question...  Why the free upgrade, and why so far back as Win7?  Makes me nervous...  What am I not being told?  M$ doesn't do ANYTHING for free...  I am moving towards Linux anyway, and this just makes me move faster...

Simply put, Win 7 was the last decent windows OS on the market.  A lot of people who upgraded to Win 8 and 8.1 thought so, and are sorry they did.  Microsoft feels their pain--even if they (Microsoft) don't agree that Win 8 and its successor was a POS.  So, Microsoft is going to cut its losses (as in the Win 8 debacle) and offer a free upgrade--but just for a limited time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)

That does seem to explain your position.

You are a prime example.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on June 08, 2015, 12:56:24 PM
One question...  Why the free upgrade, and why so far back as Win7?  Makes me nervous...  What am I not being told?  M$ doesn't do ANYTHING for free...  I am moving towards Linux anyway, and this just makes me move faster...

Simply put, Win 7 was the last decent windows OS on the market.  A lot of people who upgraded to Win 8 and 8.1 thought so, and are sorry they did.  Microsoft feels their pain--even if they (Microsoft) don't agree that Win 8 and its successor was a POS.  So, Microsoft is going to cut its losses (as in the Win 8 debacle) and offer a free upgrade--but just for a limited time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)

That does seem to explain your position.

You are a prime example.

I am a prime example of someone that has looked at the different operating systems and applications and have selected those that work for me.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W2BLC on June 08, 2015, 04:32:09 PM
After playing the Preview game since last October, I have reverted back to Win 7 on one computer and Linux Mint on the other. This answers the need for some software that will not function except on Windows and allows for routine daily Internet operations to run under Linux.

Until such time as "better" software becomes available that runs on Linux, this will have to do.

Although the Win 10 system has many short-comings and failures, the final straw was the very invasive Microsoft inspection of my system via an "update" to determine if I was eligible for a free upgrade to Windows (when it available) - then place an advertisement of same in my tool bar. A quick reminder of how Microsoft operates.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K5UNX on June 08, 2015, 04:35:02 PM
Anyone judging the RTM version of Win 10 now, based on the trial program going on now, might just be selling it short. It will be better when it's released compared to today. Perfect? Probably not.

This reserve icon that's showing up? Why bother? If you get it for free anyways, and it's a download, why does even filling out a form to RESERVE your copy even make sense? Ignore that icon and go on with your day :)


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on June 09, 2015, 05:51:47 AM
I am a prime example of someone that has looked at the different operating systems and applications and have selected those that work for me.

Yes indeed you are a prime example of cleaning to old and not learning new. Using niche OSes that have very limited market and suport does not count as embracing new. Tell me how do these off brand OSes seamlessly work across PC, Tablet and Smart phone? They do not.  They are a dead end.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K5UNX on June 09, 2015, 06:14:54 AM
Yes indeed you are a prime example of cleaning to old and not learning new. Using niche OSes that have very limited market and suport does not count as embracing new. Tell me how do these off brand OSes seamlessly work across PC, Tablet and Smart phone? They do not.  They are a dead end.

The thing is, you don't need an OS to span all devices. You only need the necessary apps to span devices. I use a Mac, Android phone, Windows laptop and an iPad. Some of apps I depend on are: Dropbox, Evernote, MS Office, Google Docs, gmail, LastPass, Flipboard, Pocket and some others. They are ALL available on Android, IOS, OSX, Windows (7,8.1, probably 10).

My point is this: No one NEEDS a single OS on all their devices. One can work just fine across multiple OS's and devices just fine.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on June 09, 2015, 06:22:56 AM
I am a prime example of someone that has looked at the different operating systems and applications and have selected those that work for me.

Yes indeed you are a prime example of cleaning to old and not learning new. Using niche OSes that have very limited market and suport does not count as embracing new. Tell me how do these off brand OSes seamlessly work across PC, Tablet and Smart phone? They do not.  They are a dead end.

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Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: G8YMW on June 09, 2015, 06:24:43 AM
I am a prime example of someone that has looked at the different operating systems and applications and have selected those that work for me.

Yes indeed you are a prime example of cleaning to old and not learning new. Using niche OSes that have very limited market and suport does not count as embracing new. Tell me how do these off brand OSes seamlessly work across PC, Tablet and Smart phone? They do not.  They are a dead end.
Once again, you do not get it John. If you want seamless across multiple platforms, go Android. After all, Windows Phone continues to fail miserably. Windows 8.* has been roundly dismissed by the market. Ubunt
 is not niche, there are Ubuntu phones coming onto the market, Ubuntu is available on tablets.
I know Unity came in for some stick but I find pretty good on the desktop
But there again, if your brain cannot handle more than one interface, carry on with what works for you AND QUIT NAGGING THE REST OF US.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K1CJS on June 09, 2015, 06:31:53 AM
...No one NEEDS a single OS on all their devices. One can work just fine across multiple OS's and devices just fine.

Exactly.

However, since Win 10 is being given away, I think the RTM is worth a look at--with one proviso.  Will Microsoft allow the removal of the Win 10 'upgrade' if the end user doesn't like it?  They had better or they'll be making even more enemies. 

As for myself, I'll be making a copy of the entire hard drive of the computer system I'll be setting it up on.  They're not going to catch me napping.  I just feel sorry for the people who don't have the technical savvy to do the same--if they prohibit removal of the upgrade.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K1CJS on June 09, 2015, 06:33:30 AM
Once again, you do not get it John. If you want seamless across multiple platforms, go Android. After all, Windows Phone continues to fail miserably. Windows 8.* has been roundly dismissed by the market. Ubunt
 is not niche, there are Ubuntu phones coming onto the market, Ubuntu is available on tablets.
I know Unity came in for some stick but I find pretty good on the desktop
But there again, if your brain cannot handle more than one interface, carry on with what works for you AND QUIT NAGGING THE REST OF US.

He doesn't know how to.



Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K5UNX on June 09, 2015, 06:42:15 AM
...No one NEEDS a single OS on all their devices. One can work just fine across multiple OS's and devices just fine.

Exactly.

However, since Win 10 is being given away, I think the RTM is worth a look at--with one proviso.  Will Microsoft allow the removal of the Win 10 'upgrade' if the end user doesn't like it?  They had better or they'll be making even more enemies. 

As for myself, I'll be making a copy of the entire hard drive of the computer system I'll be setting it up on.  They're not going to catch me napping.  I just feel sorry for the people who don't have the technical savvy to do the same--if they prohibit removal of the upgrade.

Not sure they would be able to keep anyone from reinstalling Win 7 or Linux if they didn't like Win 10 . .  Check out Clonezilla if you have not already seen it. It's a nice way to save off a "image" of your entire hard drive and put it back later.

I predict that we'll see about the same level of whining about Win 10 as we did for Win 8/8.1 on eham forums. It's different than Win XP and 7 . . . :)


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K1CJS on June 10, 2015, 04:47:21 AM
...No one NEEDS a single OS on all their devices. One can work just fine across multiple OS's and devices just fine.

Exactly.

However, since Win 10 is being given away, I think the RTM is worth a look at--with one proviso.  Will Microsoft allow the removal of the Win 10 'upgrade' if the end user doesn't like it?  They had better or they'll be making even more enemies.  

As for myself, I'll be making a copy of the entire hard drive of the computer system I'll be setting it up on.  They're not going to catch me napping.  I just feel sorry for the people who don't have the technical savvy to do the same--if they prohibit removal of the upgrade.

Not sure they would be able to keep anyone from reinstalling Win 7 or Linux if they didn't like Win 10 . .  Check out Clonezilla if you have not already seen it. It's a nice way to save off a "image" of your entire hard drive and put it back later.

I predict that we'll see about the same level of whining about Win 10 as we did for Win 8/8.1 on eham forums. It's different than Win XP and 7 . . . :)

When I say 'prohibit' removal, I mean that the upgrade cannot be undone automatically.  Of course you can reload everything fresh--nothing to stop you from doing so.

About the whining, I don't know.  I just don't think there will be as much.  After all, a few outsiders have said that Win 10 is what Win 8 'should have been' so I think the best thing to do is wait till 10 does come out.  It seems that 10 is just as radical a step backwards as 8 was a step forwards.

In short, I don't think that 10 will cause as much of an uproar as 8 did, except from 'JX and his ilk who want change simply for the sake of change--and don't give a damn about consumer sentiments because of such radical changes.  They'll probably be screaming about taking that step backwards!


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W1BR on June 24, 2015, 07:13:13 AM
http://electronicdesign.com/systems/keep-coroner-call-windows-10-might-be-dead-arrival?NL=ED-03&Issue=ED-03_20150624_ED-03_807&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_3&utm_rid=CPG05000002095698&utm_campaign=2539&utm_medium=email&elq2=d8e9aefe39ea4de6b21ac99c281e577b


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K5UNX on June 24, 2015, 09:30:41 AM
http://electronicdesign.com/systems/keep-coroner-call-windows-10-might-be-dead-arrival?NL=ED-03&Issue=ED-03_20150624_ED-03_807&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_3&utm_rid=CPG05000002095698&utm_campaign=2539&utm_medium=email&elq2=d8e9aefe39ea4de6b21ac99c281e577b

That relates mainly to Windows 10 on phones. I doubt Windows phone success will have any effect on the Computer/Tablet operating system.



Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: DOMER2530 on June 26, 2015, 12:08:12 AM
I have no idea for this issue. but I love win7 more.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: AF7JA on July 10, 2015, 08:51:48 PM
I have trid Linux many times, I really want Linux to work for me. But, it never has.

First, Scheduling software, There Linux has it, there is no free alternative to FET, and it runs on linux. However, there are no powerful systems dynamics software packages on Linux. Here I run Vinsim, like I said, there is no Linux version of anything like it.

Then there is the powerhouse, Excel. In particular, the Goalseek function. Open office has nothing like it.

I have tried Linux several times, enough that I kept trying to make the programs I needed to run under Wine. The simple fact is that fir user apps, Linux doesn't have it. Further, due to its reliance on hobbyists doing what they like, instead of the dreary stuff that just needs to get done, it never will.

Again, I want it to work, lots of people are cheering for Linux; but when I just ned to get work done, it isn't what I reach for.


FET http://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/ Runs on Linux
Vinsim http://vensim.com/
Linux is not a bad OS (neither was OS2) but it app support pales next to windows. You move to linux, you will hamstring yourself big time.

Other than AutoCAD and some other high-end or specialized software, how?

Browsers?  Firefox and Chrome are available for all 3 platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux).

Office Suite?  LibreOffice still has a few formatting issues with Word, notably with outline numbering, but otherwise it's completely compatible with MSOffice.

Email?   Thunderbird works with Exchange, but a license from ExQuilla is required ($10).  Not free, but it still works.  Thunderbird, BTW, is cross-platform.

Ham software?  Just about anything one can think of is either available for both or there is a Linux equivalent to Windows-only software.

Programming Languages?  Other than .NET (I'm not sure Mono is being worked on anymore) and Visual Basic, anything that can be done in Windows can be done in Linux, with the proper adaptions for the GUI in use.  All major languages are available for both.

Number of Apps?  All the major Linux distros have thousands of apps available.  Debian invented the "App Store," aka the software repository, over 20 years ago.  Windows?  IIRC, Microsoft will have an app store for the first time, in Win10.  They've been way behind that curve for years.

So you were saying?  ;)


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KJ4RWH on July 19, 2015, 02:42:41 PM
Several PC's here just got notification of a free Win10 up grade on July 29th. It says it will be a 3gb download and will download automatically but you choose if and when to install.
One question...  Why the free upgrade, and why so far back as Win7?  Makes me nervous...  What am I not being told?  M$ doesn't do ANYTHING for free...  I am moving towards Linux anyway, and this just makes me move faster...

 ::) Reminds me of the corner drug dealer. Gives the stuff away to build a client base.  >:( >:(


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: VK6IS on July 19, 2015, 11:21:24 PM
with win_7 you added some random name as your user's name for each user profile,
now you can still do that with win-10 - but: you go around in circles - every-time you want to to something.
- it is forever asking you to log-into your "Microsoft Account" - using your Microsoft eMail address. ..
if you have a non-Microsoft eMail address - it won't let you do anything.
so - you can't log-into "your Microsoft Account"..

then again - this function came with win_8 - and Microsoft has kept it.

functionally - you still can use your PC like you did with win_7,
but - you will always be banging against that "Microsoft Account".
- if you don't have one. .. ..

it won't even take a Gmail address - it must be a Microsoft eMail address.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W4KYR on July 20, 2015, 04:49:51 AM
with win_7 you added some random name as your user's name for each user profile,
now you can still do that with win-10 - but: you go around in circles - every-time you want to to something.
- it is forever asking you to log-into your "Microsoft Account" - using your Microsoft eMail address. ..
if you have a non-Microsoft eMail address - it won't let you do anything.
so - you can't log-into "your Microsoft Account"..

then again - this function came with win_8 - and Microsoft has kept it.

functionally - you still can use your PC like you did with win_7,
but - you will always be banging against that "Microsoft Account".
- if you don't have one. .. ..

it won't even take a Gmail address - it must be a Microsoft eMail address.


Looks like Microsoft has to do some major damage control even before their new OS is officially released. First there were concerns that Windows 10 was going to be an subscription model.

Then it was the story that everyone had to get an Microsoft account in order to use their Windows 10 computer. Then there was the concern that you could not install another operating system on your own Windows 10 machine because of the bootloader.  And then comes word about "forced updates" on your own computer if it comes with Windows 10 Home Edition.


Forced updates is a particularly bad idea given that some updates can be buggy enough to cause applications to stop working or your computer to blue screen. The corporate world waits to add updates to their systems so that if there is any bugs or issues to an update, they can elect not to include it to their systems. Seems home users will no longer have that luxury.  Another issue, Media Center will not come with Windows 10.


 And now comes yet another rumor, this one about some secret screen recording tool in Windows 10. Look I can understand that some people hate Microsoft, and they are the ones spreading the rumors. Maybe it's the Linux guys doing the rumor spreading...however if Linux is only on 1 % of the desktops as most claim. Then I doubt it is the Linux guys spreading the rumors, but maybe someone else? Maybe it is the users of Microsoft products who are spreading the rumors because they don't like what they see?   Perhaps they are pointing to some real issues that need to be looked at and addressed.  


And there are just too many rumors out there surrounding Windows 10, and some of them maybe true. People have been asking what  is the real reason Microsoft is giving away Windows 10 to Windows 7 and 8 users, while these rumors and issues constantly surface. The latest rumor (issue) just adds to the ever growing list of issues surrounding Windows 10.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/07/19/236252/windows-10-will-have-screen-recording-tool


My opinion is that it is ridiculous that anyone should have to obtain an Microsoft account or email address just to use their Windows 10 computer. But if that is Microsoft's end goal within a year or two to get eventually get every user to register with Microsoft (as a condition for continuing getting free updates for Windows 10) . Then there will be even more people leaving Windows for Android, Apple and ....even ....Linux.

While I could care less what operating system anyone uses. They all have good points and bad points. But if there is continually a lot of negative press surrounding Windows 10, that can't bode well for the company. People are not going to upgrade to 10 but rather stay with Windows 7 until it goes unsupported in 2020...and then continue to use it beyond the end of life...just like XP.

Microsoft needs to come clean on all of these rumors and assure the public that these are just rumors and not fact. Can they put the rumors to rest?


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K5UNX on July 20, 2015, 07:03:58 AM
I don't think MS has major damage control. If you do a little google'ing, you find that most of the rumors are just that.

Secret screen recorder? Seems it is no so "secret".  Of course people are going to jump to the conclusion of it being used without their permission etc. Like the folks in Texas thinking the US military is going to take over TX during Jade Helm. It's already part of the US, really?

Having a MS account is not such a novel idea. You need a google account if you use android. Apple did things a bit different, but they still require a Apple account though you can use a non-apple email address. Bottom line is the computing world is changing and everything isn't going to work like XP did.

I doubt MS is worried about a few grumpy old hams who would rather use XP.



Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: G8YMW on July 20, 2015, 10:08:22 AM

I doubt MS is worried about a few grumpy old hams who would rather use XP.



XP will not be a problem, 7 will be.
My own thoughts is that Windows 8.* will be mopped up by Windows 10.
XP users would have upgraded already so they're out of the question.
Linux is not relevant
Which leaves 7, I can see many not taking the upgrade


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on July 20, 2015, 10:15:51 AM

I doubt MS is worried about a few grumpy old hams who would rather use XP.



XP will not be a problem, 7 will be.
My own thoughts is that Windows 8.* will be mopped up by Windows 10.
XP users would have upgraded already so they're out of the question.
Linux is not relevant
Which leaves 7, I can see many not taking the upgrade

Nothing wrong with 8x. Only those stuck in mud and not being able to adapt beyond 15 year old XP way of doing things have trouble with 8 because they try to use it like old OS and not adapt. I look for Win 7 to die is one of two years once people finally understand that it has zero support for new software that will only be supported by win 8x and beyond. Its just a question of how long they want to handicap themselves. Times change and staying with 7 metality would be a death sentence for MS long term. 


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: G8YMW on July 20, 2015, 11:49:09 AM

Nothing wrong with 8x. Only those stuck in mud and not being able to adapt beyond 15 year old XP way of doing things have trouble with 8 because they try to use it like old OS and not adapt. I look for Win 7 to die is one of two years once people finally understand that it has zero support for new software that will only be supported by win 8x and beyond. Its just a question of how long they want to handicap themselves. Times change and staying with 7 metality would be a death sentence for MS long term. 

Not listening to your customers will be Microsoft's death sentence. As I have said before, new software will not become a standard if no one buys into it.
I can see Windows 7 lasting quite a few years because resistance to Win 8.* is still high. Lets face it if, after 3 years of not being able to walk into a shop and not being able to buy anything else but Win8, it has barely matched XP speaks volumes about Microsoft's direction.
Microsoft are in the process of laying off another 7,800 staff from the mobile phone division.
Anyway, what are you doing using such an antiquated O/S as Vista??


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K5UNX on July 20, 2015, 12:26:37 PM

Nothing wrong with 8x. Only those stuck in mud and not being able to adapt beyond 15 year old XP way of doing things have trouble with 8 because they try to use it like old OS and not adapt. I look for Win 7 to die is one of two years once people finally understand that it has zero support for new software that will only be supported by win 8x and beyond. Its just a question of how long they want to handicap themselves. Times change and staying with 7 metality would be a death sentence for MS long term. 

Not listening to your customers will be Microsoft's death sentence. As I have said before, new software will not become a standard if no one buys into it.
I can see Windows 7 lasting quite a few years because resistance to Win 8.* is still high. Lets face it if, after 3 years of not being able to walk into a shop and not being able to buy anything else but Win8, it has barely matched XP speaks volumes about Microsoft's direction.
Microsoft are in the process of laying off another 7,800 staff from the mobile phone division.
Anyway, what are you doing using such an antiquated O/S as Vista??

Most people that I talk to that are against Win 8.1 have never used it longer than a glance at the start screen in a store. I use it all day everyday. It works fine and I NEVER have to look at or use and of the new tiled application. The desktop looks like a Win 7 desktop. 

I guy came up to my desk the other day, said he got a new laptop and was loading Win 7. I asked why and he spouted all the same junk you read on forums like this about Win 8. He never tried it. Just following to nay sayers. 


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on July 20, 2015, 01:20:22 PM

Nothing wrong with 8x. Only those stuck in mud and not being able to adapt beyond 15 year old XP way of doing things have trouble with 8 because they try to use it like old OS and not adapt. I look for Win 7 to die is one of two years once people finally understand that it has zero support for new software that will only be supported by win 8x and beyond. Its just a question of how long they want to handicap themselves. Times change and staying with 7 metality would be a death sentence for MS long term.  

Not listening to your customers will be Microsoft's death sentence. As I have said before, new software will not become a standard if no one buys into it.
I can see Windows 7 lasting quite a few years because resistance to Win 8.* is still high. Lets face it if, after 3 years of not being able to walk into a shop and not being able to buy anything else but Win8, it has barely matched XP speaks volumes about Microsoft's direction.
Microsoft are in the process of laying off another 7,800 staff from the mobile phone division.
Anyway, what are you doing using such an antiquated O/S as Vista??

Most people that I talk to that are against Win 8.1 have never used it longer than a glance at the start screen in a store. I use it all day everyday. It works fine and I NEVER have to look at or use and of the new tiled application. The desktop looks like a Win 7 desktop.  

I guy came up to my desk the other day, said he got a new laptop and was loading Win 7. I asked why and he spouted all the same junk you read on forums like this about Win 8. He never tried it. Just following to nay sayers.  

Same experience here.  The people using Windows 8.1 don't have a problem and just use it with no complaints.  The people who say they hate Windows 8.1 have never used it more than a few minutes if at all (usually the latter... they've never used it).  Funny how people will parrot others objections to Win 8 when they have not had any experience with it.

I use Classic Shell in Win8 so that I don't have to deal with Metro and it looks and works just like Win 7.  However, users should not have to use a third party program for this - MS could have just as easily given you a choice of interface - Metro for mobile devices and touchscreens, the desktop/start menu for desktop computers.  Had they done that, I don't think there would have been as much resistance to upgrading to Win 8.

I don't care for the Metro-like tiles in the Win 10 start menu myself.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K5UNX on July 20, 2015, 01:38:48 PM
Same experience here.  The people using Windows 8.1 don't have a problem and just use it with no complaints.  The people who say they hate Windows 8.1 have never used it more than a few minutes if at all (usually the latter... they've never used it).  Funny how people will parrot others objections to Win 8 when they have not had any experience with it.

I use Classic Shell in Win8 so that I don't have to deal with Metro and it looks and works just like Win 7.  However, users should not have to use a third party program for this - MS could have just as easily given you a choice of interface - Metro for mobile devices and touchscreens, the desktop/start menu for desktop computers.  Had they done that, I don't think there would have been as much resistance to upgrading to Win 8.

I don't care for the Metro-like tiles in the Win 10 start menu myself.

The thing is, you don't need a third party product. Take everything off the start screen except for the things you use every Day/Week.  Just leave those things on the start screen. If you use it once a month, don't put it on the start screen. Then you have a small single screen start screen to deal with. Hit the Windows key, click the program to start it, done. Less clicks than the old menu system in Win 7 and before. If you need a program thats not on the start screen, then type the first two-three characters of the name at it'll be there. I type "wor" for MS Word and it comes to the front of the list. I can start programs faster that Win 7 this way with less clicks and typing. It also saves me from having my hands leaving the keyboard all the time to move the mouse.

The big problem is people want install and play. They don't take a few minutes to learn about what they are using. Go to youtube, watch a couple Win 8.1 tips videos. Once you learn a few things it's actually not near as bad as people think, in fact, I prefer it to Win 7 now.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: G8YMW on July 20, 2015, 02:49:10 PM
Well, I know someone who has been using it for 15 months and still hates it.
Which is one reason I'm not putting it on my machine (Besides I've no use for it)


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on July 20, 2015, 02:57:00 PM
Not listening to your customers will be Microsoft's death sentence. As I have said before, new software will not become a standard if no one buys into it.

Not true Win 7 is a TOTAL dead end in smart phone tablet world. If 8 had come out a few years earlier people would of adapted by now and 8 would be matured and 7 dying. New apps are here today and growing but you would not know it if head is in sand. If MS had changed sooner, Apple would not of gotten a big head start in smart phone and tablet. It was the XP/7 mentality that prevented any past success in tablet/phone area. PC's will not be what keeps MS a major player in future because PC is dying. If they do not migrate to new platform they are history just like those clinging to 7.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K5UNX on July 20, 2015, 03:21:50 PM
Not listening to your customers will be Microsoft's death sentence. As I have said before, new software will not become a standard if no one buys into it.

Not true Win 7 is a TOTAL dead end in smart phone tablet world. If 8 had come out a few years earlier people would of adapted by now and 8 would be matured and 7 dying. New apps are here today and growing but you would not know it if head is in sand. If MS had changed sooner, Apple would not of gotten a big head start in smart phone and tablet. It was the XP/7 mentality that prevented any past success in tablet/phone area. PC's will not be what keeps MS a major player in future because PC is dying. If they do not migrate to new platform they are history just like those clinging to 7.

Windows already lost the phone and tablet market.  The surface is really now a full pc which I see as another class of machine.  I love the idea and might consider one someday.  But windows on mobile devices? It's toast.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on July 21, 2015, 04:23:35 AM
Same experience here.  The people using Windows 8.1 don't have a problem and just use it with no complaints.  The people who say they hate Windows 8.1 have never used it more than a few minutes if at all (usually the latter... they've never used it).  Funny how people will parrot others objections to Win 8 when they have not had any experience with it.

I use Classic Shell in Win8 so that I don't have to deal with Metro and it looks and works just like Win 7.  However, users should not have to use a third party program for this - MS could have just as easily given you a choice of interface - Metro for mobile devices and touchscreens, the desktop/start menu for desktop computers.  Had they done that, I don't think there would have been as much resistance to upgrading to Win 8.

I don't care for the Metro-like tiles in the Win 10 start menu myself.

The thing is, you don't need a third party product. Take everything off the start screen except for the things you use every Day/Week.  Just leave those things on the start screen. If you use it once a month, don't put it on the start screen. Then you have a small single screen start screen to deal with. Hit the Windows key, click the program to start it, done. Less clicks than the old menu system in Win 7 and before. If you need a program thats not on the start screen, then type the first two-three characters of the name at it'll be there. I type "wor" for MS Word and it comes to the front of the list. I can start programs faster that Win 7 this way with less clicks and typing. It also saves me from having my hands leaving the keyboard all the time to move the mouse.

The big problem is people want install and play. They don't take a few minutes to learn about what they are using. Go to youtube, watch a couple Win 8.1 tips videos. Once you learn a few things it's actually not near as bad as people think, in fact, I prefer it to Win 7 now.

I almost always use the Windows key + S and type in the name of the program I want to run.  I don't have any problem with taking everything off of the start screen except the stuff you use, but I prefer Windows 7 and earlier start menu for accessing less used stuff or just looking to see if I have something installed that I don't use often (and can't remember the name of).

I have a Surface Pro 3 and I don't use Classic Shell on it since I find it easier to use the Metro interface with the touchscreen.

When I was referring to Classic Shell, I was mainly talking about those who want their Win 8 to work/look like Win 7.  MS could have done that without users having to resort to something like Classic Shell or Start 8.



Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W4KYR on July 21, 2015, 05:32:54 AM

When I was referring to Classic Shell, I was mainly talking about those who want their Win 8 to work/look like Win 7.  MS could have done that without users having to resort to something like Classic Shell or Start 8.

I agree 100%. Microsoft could have avoided the whole mess by just giving their customers a choice between Metro and Win 7/ Classic desktops by letting it's users switch between either one. Microsoft already had capabilities to switch back and forth for 15 years. For instance in XP one can easily switch between Category View and Classic View by just one click.

For instance Linux has a variety of desktops that lets the user choose from, Gnome, KDE, XFCE and others by simply cutting and pasting a simple script into the terminal.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on July 21, 2015, 06:26:29 AM

When I was referring to Classic Shell, I was mainly talking about those who want their Win 8 to work/look like Win 7.  MS could have done that without users having to resort to something like Classic Shell or Start 8.

I agree 100%. Microsoft could have avoided the whole mess by just giving their customers a choice between Metro and Win 7/ Classic desktops by letting it's users switch between either one. Microsoft already had capabilities to switch back and forth for 15 years. For instance in XP one can easily switch between Category View and Classic View by just one click.

For instance Linux has a variety of desktops that lets the user choose from, Gnome, KDE, XFCE and others by simply cutting and pasting a simple script into the terminal.

MS's only big/major mistake they made was making Metro the default shell on boot up with WIN 8. This was fixed by 8.1 but by then many were convinced (and still are) that Metro was the OS and not merely a shell. Had they do this it would of launched better. Win XP/7 way of doing thing needs to die it is a dinosaur with no place in future.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: K5UNX on July 21, 2015, 06:32:56 AM
Same experience here.  The people using Windows 8.1 don't have a problem and just use it with no complaints.  The people who say they hate Windows 8.1 have never used it more than a few minutes if at all (usually the latter... they've never used it).  Funny how people will parrot others objections to Win 8 when they have not had any experience with it.

I use Classic Shell in Win8 so that I don't have to deal with Metro and it looks and works just like Win 7.  However, users should not have to use a third party program for this - MS could have just as easily given you a choice of interface - Metro for mobile devices and touchscreens, the desktop/start menu for desktop computers.  Had they done that, I don't think there would have been as much resistance to upgrading to Win 8.

I don't care for the Metro-like tiles in the Win 10 start menu myself.

The thing is, you don't need a third party product. Take everything off the start screen except for the things you use every Day/Week.  Just leave those things on the start screen. If you use it once a month, don't put it on the start screen. Then you have a small single screen start screen to deal with. Hit the Windows key, click the program to start it, done. Less clicks than the old menu system in Win 7 and before. If you need a program thats not on the start screen, then type the first two-three characters of the name at it'll be there. I type "wor" for MS Word and it comes to the front of the list. I can start programs faster that Win 7 this way with less clicks and typing. It also saves me from having my hands leaving the keyboard all the time to move the mouse.

The big problem is people want install and play. They don't take a few minutes to learn about what they are using. Go to youtube, watch a couple Win 8.1 tips videos. Once you learn a few things it's actually not near as bad as people think, in fact, I prefer it to Win 7 now.

I almost always use the Windows key + S and type in the name of the program I want to run.  I don't have any problem with taking everything off of the start screen except the stuff you use, but I prefer Windows 7 and earlier start menu for accessing less used stuff or just looking to see if I have something installed that I don't use often (and can't remember the name of).

I have a Surface Pro 3 and I don't use Classic Shell on it since I find it easier to use the Metro interface with the touchscreen.

When I was referring to Classic Shell, I was mainly talking about those who want their Win 8 to work/look like Win 7.  MS could have done that without users having to resort to something like Classic Shell or Start 8.



Just FYI . . . You don't need the "S" with the Win key to search. Try just the Win key, the start screen will pop up like normal, now type your search . . .



Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on July 21, 2015, 08:16:08 AM
Same experience here.  The people using Windows 8.1 don't have a problem and just use it with no complaints.  The people who say they hate Windows 8.1 have never used it more than a few minutes if at all (usually the latter... they've never used it).  Funny how people will parrot others objections to Win 8 when they have not had any experience with it.

I use Classic Shell in Win8 so that I don't have to deal with Metro and it looks and works just like Win 7.  However, users should not have to use a third party program for this - MS could have just as easily given you a choice of interface - Metro for mobile devices and touchscreens, the desktop/start menu for desktop computers.  Had they done that, I don't think there would have been as much resistance to upgrading to Win 8.

I don't care for the Metro-like tiles in the Win 10 start menu myself.

The thing is, you don't need a third party product. Take everything off the start screen except for the things you use every Day/Week.  Just leave those things on the start screen. If you use it once a month, don't put it on the start screen. Then you have a small single screen start screen to deal with. Hit the Windows key, click the program to start it, done. Less clicks than the old menu system in Win 7 and before. If you need a program thats not on the start screen, then type the first two-three characters of the name at it'll be there. I type "wor" for MS Word and it comes to the front of the list. I can start programs faster that Win 7 this way with less clicks and typing. It also saves me from having my hands leaving the keyboard all the time to move the mouse.

The big problem is people want install and play. They don't take a few minutes to learn about what they are using. Go to youtube, watch a couple Win 8.1 tips videos. Once you learn a few things it's actually not near as bad as people think, in fact, I prefer it to Win 7 now.

I almost always use the Windows key + S and type in the name of the program I want to run.  I don't have any problem with taking everything off of the start screen except the stuff you use, but I prefer Windows 7 and earlier start menu for accessing less used stuff or just looking to see if I have something installed that I don't use often (and can't remember the name of).

I have a Surface Pro 3 and I don't use Classic Shell on it since I find it easier to use the Metro interface with the touchscreen.

When I was referring to Classic Shell, I was mainly talking about those who want their Win 8 to work/look like Win 7.  MS could have done that without users having to resort to something like Classic Shell or Start 8.



Just FYI . . . You don't need the "S" with the Win key to search. Try just the Win key, the start screen will pop up like normal, now type your search . . .



Thanks, I know, but I am running Classic Shell. When you hit the Win key, it opens the Classic Shell search in the start menu.  Win key + S gets you to the search you are talking about when running Classic Shell.  I have not used Start 8 much, so I don't know how it behaves.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on July 21, 2015, 08:23:33 AM
Win XP/7 way of doing thing needs to die it is a dinosaur with no place in future.

marketshare.hitslink.com
Desktop
XP 11.98%
7  60.98%
8.x 16%

Well .. 8.x finally passed XP.

Tablet:
Android: 50.98%
iOS: 40.83%
Windows Phone: 2.29%


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W8JX on July 21, 2015, 08:38:50 AM
Win XP/7 way of doing thing needs to die it is a dinosaur with no place in future.

marketshare.hitslink.com
Desktop
XP 11.98%
7  60.98%
8.x 16%

Well .. 8.x finally passed XP.

Tablet:
Android: 50.98%
iOS: 40.83%
Windows Phone: 2.29%

And no WIn8x thread is complete without a pointless comment from the main troll here GGL who is stuck in past too and cannot see path future must take. MS's mistake was not launching 8 sooner and with Metro not default shell. If they had all this would be moot.   


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SOFAR on July 21, 2015, 08:48:28 AM
Speaking of stuck in the past... Are you the one with a 20 year old antenna system?


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: AF6LJ on July 21, 2015, 08:50:35 AM
MS's only big/major mistake they made was making Metro the default shell on boot up with WIN 8. This was fixed by 8.1 but by then many were convinced (and still are) that Metro was the OS and not merely a shell. Had they do this it would of launched better. Win XP/7 way of doing thing needs to die it is a dinosaur with no place in future.

I think instituting the registry was their big mistake.
There is no speed advantage to using the registry, and over the years there has not been a security advantage.
The NIX or OS/2 operating systems have never needed such a file..
Oh well....



Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on July 21, 2015, 09:23:14 AM
Win XP/7 way of doing thing needs to die it is a dinosaur with no place in future.

marketshare.hitslink.com
Desktop
XP 11.98%
7  60.98%
8.x 16%

Well .. 8.x finally passed XP.

Tablet:
Android: 50.98%
iOS: 40.83%
Windows Phone: 2.29%

And no WIn8x thread is complete without a pointless comment from the main troll here GGL who is stuck in past too and cannot see path future must take. MS's mistake was not launching 8 sooner and with Metro not default shell. If they had all this would be moot.   

Translation: you can't come up with anything valid.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on July 21, 2015, 09:29:35 AM
Win XP/7 way of doing thing needs to die it is a dinosaur with no place in future.

marketshare.hitslink.com
Desktop
XP 11.98%
7  60.98%
8.x 16%

Well .. 8.x finally passed XP.

Tablet:
Android: 50.98%
iOS: 40.83%
Windows Phone: 2.29%

You forgot to post the Linux stats?  1.61% from your own link above.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on July 21, 2015, 09:32:56 AM
MS's only big/major mistake they made was making Metro the default shell on boot up with WIN 8. This was fixed by 8.1 but by then many were convinced (and still are) that Metro was the OS and not merely a shell. Had they do this it would of launched better. Win XP/7 way of doing thing needs to die it is a dinosaur with no place in future.

I think instituting the registry was their big mistake.
There is no speed advantage to using the registry, and over the years there has not been a security advantage.
The NIX or OS/2 operating systems have never needed such a file..
Oh well....



Yep, the registry was probably a mistake.  I understand why the implemented the registry though.  They should have taken a clue from *NIX on that.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W4KYR on July 21, 2015, 10:03:17 AM
Linux 1.61% almost beat Vista 1.62% (There were some saying back in 2007 and 2008 that Linux could beat Vista someday...it almost came true.)

Also

Windows NT 0.08%
Windows 2000 0.01%
Windows 3.1 0.1%

No Windows 95, 98 or ME ?

 

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: VK6IS on July 21, 2015, 10:25:40 AM
also2

Windows 10 - 0.16%
need to check that again - Two Weeks. ..


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on July 21, 2015, 11:27:45 AM
Win XP/7 way of doing thing needs to die it is a dinosaur with no place in future.

marketshare.hitslink.com
Desktop
XP 11.98%
7  60.98%
8.x 16%

Well .. 8.x finally passed XP.

Tablet:
Android: 50.98%
iOS: 40.83%
Windows Phone: 2.29%

You forgot to post the Linux stats?  1.61% from your own link above.

Are you trying to make some sort of point? No? Didn't think so.


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on July 21, 2015, 11:36:38 AM
Win XP/7 way of doing thing needs to die it is a dinosaur with no place in future.

marketshare.hitslink.com
Desktop
XP 11.98%
7  60.98%
8.x 16%

Well .. 8.x finally passed XP.

Tablet:
Android: 50.98%
iOS: 40.83%
Windows Phone: 2.29%

You forgot to post the Linux stats?  1.61% from your own link above.

Are you trying to make some sort of point? No? Didn't think so.

Says the KING (or is it QUEEN) of useless and pointless posts...   :D :D :D

Obviously you were embarrassed to post the stats of your darling OS.  You posted stats for Android, iOS, etc..  why not Linux?


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on July 21, 2015, 01:31:13 PM

Says the KING (or is it QUEEN) of useless and pointless posts...   :D :D :D

It seems you feel the need to try to make baseless personal insults when you don't have any valid points to make.

Obviously you were embarrassed to post the stats of your darling OS.

My "darling" OS?  Really? While I did switch from OS X to Linux systems for my main system, I also have 2 XP systems, a Vista system and my tablet is Android. Also, one of my projects is to put together a portable packet station using a Tandy Model 100. I am considering upgrading one XP system to Win 7.

You posted stats for Android, iOS, etc..  why not Linux?

First, I addressed lack of Windows 8.x version penetration in the desktop userbase. I mentioned only Windows in respect to the desktop userbase.  I also did not mention OS X (7.4%) or Vista (1.62%).

I also addressed the OS penetration of different OS's in the tablet/phone market, showing Windows penetration to be small. BTW, in the tablet/phone I did address Linux based systems. Android uses the Linux kernel. I suppose Linux systems will have to be broken out if Ubuntu phones ever start to move.



Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: W4KYR on July 21, 2015, 01:53:34 PM
Also, one of my projects is to put together a portable packet station using a Tandy Model 100.

Can you do a separate post on the Tandy Model 100 portable packet station when you do the project? I think that would be an interesting topic. I have a mini TRS-80 and was wondering if that too could be used for packet.

Thanks

(To all, Sorry for the thread drift)



Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on July 21, 2015, 02:25:08 PM
Also, one of my projects is to put together a portable packet station using a Tandy Model 100.

Can you do a separate post on the Tandy Model 100 portable packet station when you do the project? I think that would be an interesting topic. I have a mini TRS-80 and was wondering if that too could be used for packet.

Thanks

(To all, Sorry for the thread drift)

Check your PMs


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: SWL2002 on July 21, 2015, 02:34:36 PM

My "darling" OS?  Really? While I did switch from OS X to Linux systems for my main system, I also have 2 XP systems, a Vista system and my tablet is Android. Also, one of my projects is to put together a portable packet station using a Tandy Model 100. I am considering upgrading one XP system to Win 7.


YAWN...


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: AC7CW on July 22, 2015, 08:23:42 PM
Ham Radio is a hobby I want to enjoy. I run a windows machine for all the hobby stuff, otherwise I'd be in Linux hell trying to find stuff and then trying to find how to actually get it to work and asking questions about software that was abandoned but nobody quite announced it. Been down the Linux path already, it's for people that want a job working for a computer instead of a computer that works for them. LOL

I'd build a Linux machine for a single purpose if it was the way to go. I do some software work and my environment provider is working on a native Linux version and it seems to have enough priority so that it might actually appear in the not so far future. I'll dedicate a laptop to that and in fact, I'm looking forward to that day. General purpose Linux machine, that will never be the way to go. All the Microsoft Office knockoff stuff pretty much sucks. If Microsoft has ever done anything right it's in the Office product line and it runs fine under Windows, even XP.

Dedicated laptops are kind of cool. I have two different laptops that are identical and one docking station that connects a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc.. To switch the laptops I just lift one out of the docking station and put the other one in and hit the startup button. This is way, way better than a KVM switch, what a mess of cables and operating difficulties those things are...


Title: RE: Windows 10 to be last windows.
Post by: KK4GGL on July 23, 2015, 08:51:52 AM
Ham Radio is a hobby I want to enjoy. I run a windows machine for all the hobby stuff, otherwise I'd be in Linux hell trying to find stuff and then trying to find how to actually get it to work and asking questions about software that was abandoned but nobody quite announced it. Been down the Linux path already, it's for people that want a job working for a computer instead of a computer that works for them. LOL

I have used GNU/Linux systems for my my system for quite a few years now. I sarted back when you really did have to edit text files  extensively. A couple of days ago I installed Debian on one of my desktops. It was generally just hitting enter a bunch of time during the install.

What do you  mean "trying to find stuff". If you mean finding installed programs, the various DEs seem to have fairly well organized menu systems. If you mean finding programs to install, look in the repositories. It's similar to installing apps on phones/tablets.

As for asking questions on how to use it... of course you'd have to ask questions. You're switching operating systems. contrary to common belief, there is no such thing as a truly intuitive computer interface... today.

I'd build a Linux machine for a single purpose if it was the way to go. I do some software work and my environment provider is working on a native Linux version and it seems to have enough priority so that it might actually appear in the not so far future. I'll dedicate a laptop to that and in fact, I'm looking forward to that day. General purpose Linux machine, that will never be the way to go. All the Microsoft Office knockoff stuff pretty much sucks. If Microsoft has ever done anything right it's in the Office product line and it runs fine under Windows, even XP.

Please explain "native lLinux version". Many levels of municipal, state and nation governments, as well a private companies seem to disagree with you that "All the Microsoft Office knockoff stuff pretty much sucks'. There are a great many people, companies and governments using LibreOffice/OpenOffice.

Dedicated laptops are kind of cool. I have two different laptops that are identical and one docking station that connects a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc.. To switch the laptops I just lift one out of the docking station and put the other one in and hit the startup button. This is way, way better than a KVM switch, what a mess of cables and operating difficulties those things are...

It may work better for you, so that's good for you. However, there are others that think multiple systems sharing a monitor mouse and keyboard are more efficient.

I also enjoy Ham radio. I do not find using GNU/Linux based systems a hindrance at all. I have logging , satellite tracking, digital mode, slowscan TV, packet, APRS,  and LOTW software. All from the OpenSuse Ham/Amateur repository. Debian is even easier. The Amateur Radio stuff, for the most part, seems to be in the regular repositories.

So... to each his own? what works for one may not work for another :-)