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Title: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: KD4YSH on April 06, 2016, 06:35:02 AM
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Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: W3WN on April 06, 2016, 07:58:47 AM
And not only that, you can be a member!   ;D


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: N0IU on April 07, 2016, 11:53:32 AM
I am a founding member and secretary of a 501(c)3 charitable foundation and I am sitting here trying to figure out what advantage there is to me to belong to your 501(c)3 radio club?

Gotta ask....

Are you a for-real 501(c)3 as authorized by the IRS or are you a not-for-profit as designated by your state's department of revenue?


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: NA4IT on April 08, 2016, 05:59:44 AM
"Description

Founded in 1962, REACT International is a 501C3 Non-Profit Public Service Organization that has been assisting the public for 50 years."

from http://reactintl.org/mission.html (http://reactintl.org/mission.html)


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: W2RWJ on April 10, 2016, 06:07:04 PM
I am a founding member and secretary of a 501(c)3 charitable foundation and I am sitting here trying to figure out what advantage there is to me to belong to your 501(c)3 radio club?

Same here - Our club is a 501C3, and I'm scratching my head on this one as well...


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: K4FMH on April 11, 2016, 12:50:00 PM
NI0U,

You may already be aware of this since you've founded one.... but others may not.

The benefit of being a member of a 501c3 organization is that donations are tax-exempt: both for the donor as well as for the club (donor gets a variable tax break depending on tax situation while the club pays no taxes on the revenue). The IRS requires that an applicant be an established non-profit corporation in a given state before considering the IRS exemption under the 501c3 tax code provisions. Then, many states require another exemption in order to "publicly solicit" donations vs. Board members giving or over the transom donations. These vary by state and there are annual revenue thresholds whereby there is no reporting needed or there is some reporting or a lot of reporting. Regardless, a Form 990 must be submitted to the IRS annually to maintain the 501c3 recognition in good standing. These forms are available online for review (e.g., the ARRL's is online, etc.).

Does this help answer the Q or have I misinterpreted the head-scratching?

Frank
K4FMH


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: AA4PB on April 11, 2016, 02:22:31 PM
But they didn't ask for an explanation of the benefits of 501(C-3). They are already members of clubs that are 501(C-3) so they asked why they would want to join your club.

Our club had a repeater. We went 501(C-3) so that the owner of the company who donated tower space to us could take a tax write-off for it. By the way, in most cases I don't think it is legal to take a tax write-off for the cost of annual membership dues. If dues give you repeater access, a newsletter, a vote at meetings, etc. they you are receiving something in return for your dues. You can however write off a voluntary donation for which you receive nothing of value in return.


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: N0IU on April 11, 2016, 08:10:13 PM
Thank you for explaining to NOlU and w2rwj they must be medicated with strong meds the 501 (c-3) is in place for a reason and they did not start and founder anything. The membership drive is on so do not complain just take your meds.

If this is the attitude and tone you take with potential members by insulting them and accusing them of being on drugs, then you have just lost (at least) one potential member.


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: K4FMH on April 12, 2016, 10:58:10 AM
NO1U:

I'm sure you already know this but, for the record, thus was in no way the intent of my post! Like you, I've founded (with others) a non-profit and managed the continuation of others. I merely walked through some of the well-understood benefits for those knowledgeable about nonprofits. I've come across many hams who've not had such direct experiences with what these various state and federal designations are. They can be a distinct advantage for ham groups if used properly. Acrimony isn't helpful!

73,

Frank
K4FMH

Thank you for explaining to NOlU and w2rwj they must be medicated with strong meds the 501 (c-3) is in place for a reason and they did not start and founder anything. The membership drive is on so do not complain just take your meds.


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: KX4OM on April 12, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
Thank you for explaining to NOlU and w2rwj they must be medicated with strong meds the 501 (c-3) is in place for a reason and they did not start and founder anything. The membership drive is on so do not complain just take your meds.
I think you should report back to your club that your attempt to attract members is "foundering." Based on your derogatory comments about N0IU and w2rwj in the quoted post, you may also find that you are no longer a member.


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: N0IU on April 12, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
NO1U:

I'm sure you already know this but, for the record, thus was in no way the intent of my post! Like you, I've founded (with others) a non-profit and managed the continuation of others. I merely walked through some of the well-understood benefits for those knowledgeable about nonprofits. I've come across many hams who've not had such direct experiences with what these various state and federal designations are. They can be a distinct advantage for ham groups if used properly. Acrimony isn't helpful!

73,

Frank
K4FMH

Thank you for explaining to NOlU and w2rwj they must be medicated with strong meds the 501 (c-3) is in place for a reason and they did not start and founder anything. The membership drive is on so do not complain just take your meds.

Doc,

I assume you meant me (my call is NØIU, not NO1U) in your post. I have no issues at all with your posts, but rather with KD4YSH's accusations that I am on drugs.


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: K4FMH on April 13, 2016, 03:43:48 PM
My apologies on the errant call! Battling cataracts...FB on the comment. I just wanted to derail the post de KD4YSH misinterpreting my comments. Carry on!

73,

Frank
K4FMH

NO1U:

I'm sure you already know this but, for the record, thus was in no way the intent of my post! Like you, I've founded (with others) a non-profit and managed the continuation of others. I merely walked through some of the well-understood benefits for those knowledgeable about nonprofits. I've come across many hams who've not had such direct experiences with what these various state and federal designations are. They can be a distinct advantage for ham groups if used properly. Acrimony isn't helpful!

73,

Frank
K4FMH

Thank you for explaining to NOlU and w2rwj they must be medicated with strong meds the 501 (c-3) is in place for a reason and they did not start and founder anything. The membership drive is on so do not complain just take your meds.

Doc,

I assume you meant me (my call is NØIU, not NO1U) in your post. I have no issues at all with your posts, but rather with KD4YSH's accusations that I am on drugs.


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: SWMAN on April 14, 2016, 03:48:30 AM
 KIDS, KIDS, KIDS !!


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: W3WN on April 14, 2016, 07:36:12 AM
w3wn...yes you can be a member as long as you are in good  standings with the ITC
I see THAT little attempt at a touch of humor flew right over your head.

I'm not even going to ask what the ITC is.


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: N0IU on April 15, 2016, 07:24:14 PM
W2rwj........nothing to scratch your head about if you google 501 (c-3) it will explain to you in detail what this is in place for and how to set up and use the 501 in the proper way if you have any questions there are people in place to help you with any verbage you do not understand.

take care

So why don't you explain in detail what a 501(c)(3) is in place for, how to set one up or how to use it in the proper way instead of sending W2RWJ to Google® to look it up for himself? Why don't you explain the verbiage of the tax code since you seem to be so knowledgeable?


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: SWMAN on April 16, 2016, 06:11:35 AM
YSH,    I mentioned KIDS because everyone here was fighting and complaining about something.
 
Also SWMAN is a real ham with call sign W5JJG. I have noticed that several people do not use call signs here. You don't know if they are really hams or not.When I sign off here I usually say,
73 W5JJG Jim


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: SWMAN on April 16, 2016, 07:13:41 AM
YSH. You need to put on your glasses and wake up. I just told you my call dummy. Go pick on someone your own age.


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: NN4RH on April 17, 2016, 06:32:16 AM
You can be a member or associate member of our 501 (c-3) non-profit radio club, REACT we have 30 plus members in our club now and  you can be a member, REACT has been around since the 1960's. Amateurs, GMRS, CB,MURS, BUSINESS BAND, and more areas you can be a member, for more info and to get in on a club with a 501 (c-3) status contact me at kd4ysh@yahoo.com for more information.
73's
Joe

Like others, I am trying to figure out why a few things.

Your little 30 member club - What is the name of the club? What is the REACT team number? 

Is it incorporated? Which state? 

Is your 30 member club separately organized as a 501c3 nonprofit? Or are you claiming REACT's organizational IRS status applies to your little group? 

Are you an officer or director of the club?  Either of REACT itself or your little local group?

Are you asking people to join REACT, or are you asking people to join your little 30 member club?

If the latter, why in the world would anyone do that who doesn't live there? What's in it for me? 




Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: N0IU on April 17, 2016, 06:48:11 AM
What's in it for me? 

Don't bother wasting your time asking him questions because he will just come back and say:

...if you google 501 (c-3) it will explain to you in detail what this is in place for and how to set up and use the 501 in the proper way if you have any questions there are people in place to help you with any verbage you do not understand.


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: NN4RH on April 17, 2016, 07:00:57 AM
Don't bother wasting your time asking him questions because he will just come back and say:


I would hope that anyone soliciting membership to a club would be able to articulate what the benefits are. At least mention the name and location of the club!   Maybe a web site detailing some activities and accomplishments.

REACT Intl has a Group IRS exemption. The question is whether this is a legitimate subordinate of REACT.  I would expect any legitimate officer or director of such a group to be able to answer that question.

Otherwise one wonders if it's just a couple of guys with Baofengs trying to get money from people.




Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: NN4RH on April 18, 2016, 05:33:36 PM
NN4RH...FIRST REACT IS WORLD WIDE THE LARGEST RADIO CLUB BY FAR BOTH AMATEUR AND NO AMATEUR  MEMBERS. THE REACT TEAMS ARE ALL AROUND THE WORLD AND HAVE NEEN AROUND SINCE THE 1960 AND THE DISCOUNTS YOU RECEIVE FROM BEING A 20.00 MEMBER PAYS YOU BACK ABOUT 3 TO 4 TIMES DURING THE YEAR. THE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT REACT WE ARE A FRIENDLY GROUP AND HAVE FUN AND PEOPLE WITH YOUR PERSONALITY WOULD NOT FIT IN OUR GROUP, WE DO A LOT OF DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH MESH NETS AND SO ON AND THIS IS OUT OF YOUR AREA YOU JUST USE 2 METER MAINLY AND DIGITAL IS NOT FOR THE OLDER CROWD. REACT IS A 501-C3 AND HAS BEEN FOR MANY MANY YEARS AND IS ALSO THE LARGEST OWNER OF RADIO FREQUENCIES ON THE PLANET, SO NN4RH I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO SOME HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU CAST STONES YOUR IQ AND PERSONALITY PAINT A BLEAK PICTURE OF YOU AND YOU WOULD NOT FIT IN REACT, WE ARE FUN PEOPLE AND EDUCATED PEOPLE AND YOU ARE A STONE THROWER OR A STONER YOU PIC.c

That's all Fine

But you still haven't answered the questions. I am not questioning REACT.  I am asking about your club.

Are you asking people to join your own local club? Or are you asking people to join REACT?

What is the name of the club? Does it have a web site? What is its  REACT group number.? Where is it located?

Other than "having fun" with "mesh nets" what does your club do?

Why should anyone not local to you join your club?  What does one get for the $20 membership fee?  People can find out about REACT for free. People can join REACT groups in their own area. Why should they give you $20? What do you use the $20 for?

You keep trying to argue about REACT International being 501c3.  That isn't the issue.


I understand that you are upset that someone might ask a few questions.  But seriously, take a step back and look at it - you are asking people to send you $20 membership without even saying what the name of your club is or what the membership benefits are, and don't even provide a web link where people can find out!  This is at best extremely clumsy marketing/public relations. At worse ... Well, it just comes across as a way to try to get money


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: W2RWJ on April 18, 2016, 06:44:20 PM
W2rwj........nothing to scratch your head about if you google 501 (c-3) it will explain to you in detail what this is in place for and how to set up and use the 501 in the proper way if you have any questions there are people in place to help you with any verbage you do not understand.

Lets just say I have a bit of non-profit management knowledge.  No need for me to google it. 

As a side note, it's 501(c)3, not 501 (c-3)

Martin


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: N0IU on April 18, 2016, 11:43:39 PM
REACT...IS ALSO THE LARGEST OWNER OF RADIO FREQUENCIES ON THE PLANET...
(Emphasis added by me)

I know you're not talking about amateur radio frequencies because no one can own those. Exactly how many frequencies does REACT own and on what radio services?

For a change, why don't you just tell me the answer instead of your usual pat answer telling me to Goggle® it and find it for myself. That's a coward's way of saying that you really don't know the answer.



Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: N1UKX on April 19, 2016, 06:45:34 AM
Guess I'll have to stop working all those digital modes and sell my computers because I'm old......


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: N0IU on April 19, 2016, 03:57:32 PM
I will be 59 next month so I guess I will have to return this to the ARRL with a note saying, "Thanks, but no thanks!"

(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv124/scottaschultz/2015_RTTY_Roundup_small_zps4lvh4ypx.jpg)


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: KX4OM on April 20, 2016, 12:04:19 PM
NN4RH...FIRST REACT IS WORLD WIDE THE LARGEST RADIO CLUB BY FAR BOTH AMATEUR AND NO AMATEUR  MEMBERS. THE REACT TEAMS ARE ALL AROUND THE WORLD AND HAVE NEEN AROUND SINCE THE 1960 AND THE DISCOUNTS YOU RECEIVE FROM BEING A 20.00 MEMBER PAYS YOU BACK ABOUT 3 TO 4 TIMES DURING THE YEAR. THE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT REACT WE ARE A FRIENDLY GROUP AND HAVE FUN AND PEOPLE WITH YOUR PERSONALITY WOULD NOT FIT IN OUR GROUP, WE DO A LOT OF DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH MESH NETS AND SO ON AND THIS IS OUT OF YOUR AREA YOU JUST USE 2 METER MAINLY AND DIGITAL IS NOT FOR THE OLDER CROWD. REACT IS A 501-C3 AND HAS BEEN FOR MANY MANY YEARS AND IS ALSO THE LARGEST OWNER OF RADIO FREQUENCIES ON THE PLANET, SO NN4RH I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO SOME HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU CAST STONES YOUR IQ AND PERSONALITY PAINT A BLEAK PICTURE OF YOU AND YOU WOULD NOT FIT IN REACT, WE ARE FUN PEOPLE AND EDUCATED PEOPLE AND YOU ARE A STONE THROWER OR A STONER YOU PIC.

I hated to quote all of the full caps content. Let's boil it down. First, I found:

http://www.nonprofitfacts.com/TN/React-International-6205-Star-Mountain-React-Radio-Club.html
Note that the "In care of" is Joseph Zych. Look up KD4YSH on QRZ.com, and it returns Joseph K.Zych.

And then this:

http://www.mcminnarc.com/

Pretty impressive. They operate the Star Mountain repeaters and digital network. McMinn Co. RACES, McMinn Co. Skywarn, Field Day photos, club weekly phone nets, 30 attendees at the April meeting. No mention of REACT whatsoever on the web site.

And this:

http://www.mcminnarc.com/kg4fzrdigital/kg4fzrdigitalops.html

Very impressive credentials.

Excerpts:
"The club call KG4FZR is managed by trustee Bob Miller, KG4FZR, who is the retired City of Athens Fire Chief, and also overseen by Chuck Ziegler, KI4ETT, current City of Athens Police Chief. Scott Duckworth, NA4IT, is the sysop and keeps a watchful eye on the system through a remote access via the internet, and by 24/7 monitoring the RF with his own APRS and Packet stations."

I ask the forum readers, which radio club in the Athens-Etowah, Tennessee area would you rather belong to? The one with all of that investment, involvement with the community and public service, an outstanding leadership group, or the one that is a post office box club "organized" by a guy who insults people on eHam?

Ted, KX4OM




Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: NN4RH on April 20, 2016, 07:55:41 PM
Depends...are they too old for digital modes? And if I give them $20 will I get back 3 or 4 times as much ?  Do they take stoners?


Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: KX4OM on April 21, 2016, 05:42:52 AM
Depends...are they too old for digital modes? And if I give them $20 will I get back 3 or 4 times as much ?  Do they take stoners?

KD4YSH himself is a member of the McMinn County Amateur Radio Club. I won't speculate on answers to those 3 questions.

Ted, KX4OM



Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: KX4OM on April 21, 2016, 07:47:44 AM
More information on this REACT club, that KD4YSH was not able (or willing) to provide, after repeated questioning by commenters, and in support of NN4RH on this forum topic, who was asked by KD4YSH to "DO SOME HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU CAST STONES".

The web site is http://starmountainreactradioclub.webs.com
KD4YSH is the site owner.

There are 12 members listed on the "Members" click through. Four have ham calls. There are photos of some members, including KD4YSH.

Five members listed their ages: 52, 38, 60, 56, 65, 56 and 38.
"WE DO A LOT OF DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH MESH NETS AND SO ON AND THIS IS OUT OF YOUR AREA YOU JUST USE 2 METER MAINLY AND DIGITAL IS NOT FOR THE OLDER CROWD" - KD4YSH, in reply to NN4RH

One member, WA4JAY is Chief of Cleveland County REACT in Shelby, NC.

The Calendar for April, 2016: A weekly net on CB channel 3 or EchoLink node 171072, and 145.450 simplex.

The "Forum" section shows 3 entries, all in 2013.

Ted, KX4OM





Title: RE: 501 (c-3) RADIO CLUB
Post by: KX4OM on April 25, 2016, 05:08:39 PM
I received a reply to an email that I sent to Roy Drury, REACT Region 3 Director regarding the derogatory comments posted by "KD4YSH" in this thread. Drury forwarded the message to REACT President John Cappadano. Joe responded to John Cappadano by email (I received a copy of that communication from Cappadano), and apparently his eHam account was hacked. He said the offending messages have been removed, but eHam would not delete the message heading. He has changed his eHam password. Some portions of the removed posts still appear in this thread as quotes in posts by other eHam members.

It appears that this unfortunate situation has been addressed satisfactorily.

Ted, KX4OM