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Title: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: WA2ASB on August 02, 2016, 08:21:33 PM
Last week I bought a Yaesu FT-817ND from DX Engineering.  I'm low on testosterone so their sale price plus the rebate from Yaesu sucked me in.  Today I tried it on 20 meters on the designated 20 meter QRP frequency using battery power and 2.5 watts.  I didn't hear any one so after questioning if the frequency was in use, I tried a CQ.  I then got a response that the frequency was in use from a strong signal.  I listened and found out it was from a 1X2 call sign, which I wrote down, but won't mention, and he was in Colorado (I'm in Texas) and running a 1,000 watts.  Seriously?  why do we have a band plan? 

Do we need a forum called "Toads" where we list the call signs, date and time, of these lids?


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: K0OD on August 02, 2016, 08:47:25 PM
I give up. What frequency is it and who designated THE 20 meter QRP frequency.

" the designated 20 meter QRP frequency."


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: G4AON on August 02, 2016, 11:56:28 PM
I would be more concerned there was no activity on the band. There are several nominated frequencies such as QRP on 14.060, FISTS on 14.058, but no group "owns" these frequencies. I am just glad to work anyone, QRP or QRO.

73 Dave


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: ONAIR on August 03, 2016, 12:19:01 AM
Last week I bought a Yaesu FT-817ND from DX Engineering.  I'm low on testosterone so their sale price plus the rebate from Yaesu sucked me in.  Today I tried it on 20 meters on the designated 20 meter QRP frequency using battery power and 2.5 watts.  I didn't hear any one so after questioning if the frequency was in use, I tried a CQ.  I then got a response that the frequency was in use from a strong signal.  I listened and found out it was from a 1X2 call sign, which I wrote down, but won't mention, and he was in Colorado (I'm in Texas) and running a 1,000 watts.  Seriously?  why do we have a band plan? 

Do we need a forum called "Toads" where we list the call signs, date and time, of these lids?

   That's awful.  No one should be running a KW on a QRP designated frequency!  The only good note is that the lid obviously heard your 2.5 Watt signal in Colorado!!  ::)


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: AB1LT on August 03, 2016, 06:34:20 AM
I give up. What frequency is it and who designated THE 20 meter QRP frequency.

" the designated 20 meter QRP frequency."
Seriously?  If you're not aware of the Band Plans and suggested frequencies you must piss off a lot of people when you operate.

No, the Band Plans are suggested and not law, but we should be using them for guidance.

Here's the ARRL's Considerate Operator's Frequency Guide.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/conop.pdf


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: NK7Z on August 03, 2016, 07:11:39 AM
I give up. What frequency is it and who designated THE 20 meter QRP frequency.

" the designated 20 meter QRP frequency."
Seriously?  If you're not aware of the Band Plans and suggested frequencies you must piss off a lot of people when you operate.
Not to disparage K0OD, but you would be amazed how few Amateur Operators know this sort of thing...  I would suspect that over 50% of the active HF hams do not know the QRP frequency...


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: K0OD on August 03, 2016, 08:15:41 AM
I'll ask again. What is the CURRENT worldwide 20 meter QRP frequency and can someone provide a link to it? 

I'm an active QRP contester, often QRPP. Even on 40 where there's a lot more QRP operation several QRP frequencies have been SUGGESTED over the years.  Most fell from use decades ago, especially as more QRP stations used VFOs.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: NK7Z on August 03, 2016, 08:28:09 AM
I'll ask again. What is the CURRENT worldwide 20 meter QRP frequency and can someone provide a link to it? 

I'm an active QRP contester, often QRPP. Even on 40 where there's a lot more QRP operation several QRP frequencies have been SUGGESTED over the years.  Most fell from use decades ago, especially as more QRP stations used VFOs.
If you have some inkling as to the answer, share it please, no need poo poo someone for sharing what they believe to be an answer, and at your request too boot...  Someone was kind enough to try and answer your question, repay that kindness.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: K0OD on August 03, 2016, 09:24:07 AM
This subject is much more complex than most realize.

There's been a welcome trend away from designating frequencies or band portions for specific purposes, and the League has said that. For some reason the perfectly useful 160 meter DX window is no longer recognized by the League. The 75-meter window is hanging by a thread. Most vary with the season, the time of day, the stage of the sunspot cycle, etc.

A few designated frequencies serve vital purposes. For example, Channel 5, the DX Channel on 60-meters, is the only frequency many countries have in common. Generally QSYing on 60 isn't an option. (60 is channelized in most, but not all countries). But no one tells American ragchewers to get off Channel 5 at high noon or in the summer. These things can't be rigid.

Personally I see no reason for a QRP frequency on 20 meters unless the whole world signs on to it. It's just going to cause fights. Want a clear freq? QSY up or down 2 KHz. I sometimes QRP DX with as little as 100 mW but I don't demand a clear frequency for that quirky pursuit... certainly not on 20-meters.     


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: NK7Z on August 03, 2016, 09:48:47 AM
This subject is much more complex than most realize.

There's been a welcome trend away from designating frequencies or band portions for specific purposes, and the League has said that. For some reason the perfectly useful 160 meter DX window is no longer recognized by the League. The 75-meter window is hanging by a thread. Most vary with the season, the time of day, the stage of the sunspot cycle, etc.

A few designated frequencies serve vital purposes. For example, Channel 5, the DX Channel on 60-meters, is the only frequency many countries have in common. Generally QSYing on 60 isn't an option. (60 is channelized in most, but not all countries). But no one tells American ragchewers to get off Channel 5 at high noon or in the summer. These things can't be rigid.

Personally I see no reason for a QRP frequency on 20 meters unless the whole world signs on to it. It's just going to cause fights. Want a clear freq? QSY up or down 2 KHz. I sometimes QRP DX with as little as 100 mW but I don't demand a clear frequency for that quirky pursuit... certainly not on 20-meters.     
I must say, I agree totally with you...  There is really no need for a QRP frequency...  As you say, there are multi entities trying to control it, and none are...  When I run QRP, I fond the strongest station and answer them, most of the time I get them...  :)


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: AB1LT on August 03, 2016, 01:48:33 PM
I'll ask again. What is the CURRENT worldwide 20 meter QRP frequency and can someone provide a link to it?  
I already posted a link in my last post.
Here again is the ARRL's Considerate Operator's Frequency Guide.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/conop.pdf

Here's the plan for 20 meters from the guide.

Quote
14.060 QRP CW calling frequency
14.070-14.095 RTTY/Data
14.095-14.0995 Automatically controlled data stations
14.100 IBP/NCDXF beacons
14.1005-14.112 Automatically controlled data stations
14.230 SSTV
14.233 D-SSTV
14.236 Digital Voice
14.285 QRP SSB calling frequency
14.286 AM calling frequency


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: KB1GMX on August 03, 2016, 02:38:33 PM
Can't ever remember using the QRP SSB calling frequency on any band.
There is usually crud on it so I go  elsewhere.

Generally I get it there and try to fid a QSO I can tailend, instigate, or
the ultimate respond to a CW.  Failing that I find some DX and try to
bust my way through the pile up QRP, I'm usually successful if only
by persistence.  I do cheat, I use a full size antenna as high up as possible
and the FT817 or Argonaut 505 at full power (5W).  ;)

I also use the ultimate trick, I don't tell them I'm QRP unless they ask,

Allison


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: K0OD on August 03, 2016, 04:27:29 PM
Hilarious!

"14.285 QRP SSB calling frequency
 14.286 AM calling frequency"

That's certainly going to promote harmony.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: ONAIR on August 03, 2016, 04:40:16 PM
Hilarious!

"14.285 QRP SSB calling frequency
 14.286 AM calling frequency"

That's certainly going to promote harmony.
   Harmony?  You mean harmonics!  ::)


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: K5WLR on August 03, 2016, 04:43:45 PM
No! Heterodynes!  ::)


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W1JKA on August 04, 2016, 04:59:26 AM
Try 30 meters, plenty of room for QRPers.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: KG6LI on August 05, 2016, 11:09:08 AM
I've been a QRP'er for a while now, and about half the contacts I make on the QRP frequencies are QRO stations. The reality is in these horrible solar conditions sometimes I need the other station's beam to put it together. QRP to QRP are pretty infrequent on the west coast so I really don't get too wound up over the incursion. Lord knows I head over to their frequencies in search of a QSO all of the time.... As the SFI bottoms out in the 60's any contact is going to be a winner....

72
Mark - KG6LI


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: VK3YE on August 05, 2016, 01:40:36 PM
14 MHz is no place for a crystal controlled transmitter. 

While many get sold as kits they almost never get their builders more than a handful of contacts.

Frequency agility is king.

That's because with QRP you're usually the weaker station.

To have any chance at all you need to put yourself on a clear frequency but one where it is likely other stations are listening.

Typically contacts are made by finding and calling others on THEIR frequency.

Very often these are QRO stations with good antennas.

Their strong signal clears the frequency (preventing others starting up nearby) while their beam antennas provide directionality against interference.

Both make your weaker signal stand out compared to if another QRP station on an off-frequency direct conversion receiver is trying to pick you amongst
a babble of other signals around 14.060. 

Here's a series of videos I did on making contacts. They discuss frequencies, bandplans, methods of making contacts and other things not in the exams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RveMJCvSRiA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_UUZO8VrQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7xxXUYIlao

Some might also enjoy my ebook 'Minimum QRP'.  Its operating chapter is perhaps the most detailed available today on the tactics for making contacts with QRP.  It costs about the same as a Pixie kit.  Details at http://home.alphalink.com.au/~parkerp/miniqrp.htm

73, Peter VK3YE





Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: K7EXJ on August 05, 2016, 01:54:44 PM
There are many QRP calling frequencies; depending upon which organization you're asking and where they are. Some clubs have organized their own versions. Even some Facebook groups have their own.

Just Google "QRP calling frequencies" and you'll see what I mean. Asking everyone else to stay off whichever particular version you think is yours seems unproductive.

I just stay around xx.035 for normal speed CW or around xx.110 if I'm in the mood to chat with someone who wants to go slower. Band conditions right now are not conducive to this but one never can tell.

Can one?




Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: AC7CW on August 06, 2016, 04:25:35 PM
This subject is much more complex than most realize.

There's been a welcome trend away from designating frequencies or band portions for specific purposes, and the League has said that. For some reason the perfectly useful 160 meter DX window is no longer recognized by the League. The 75-meter window is hanging by a thread. Most vary with the season, the time of day, the stage of the sunspot cycle, etc.

A few designated frequencies serve vital purposes. For example, Channel 5, the DX Channel on 60-meters, is the only frequency many countries have in common. Generally QSYing on 60 isn't an option. (60 is channelized in most, but not all countries). But no one tells American ragchewers to get off Channel 5 at high noon or in the summer. These things can't be rigid.

Personally I see no reason for a QRP frequency on 20 meters unless the whole world signs on to it. It's just going to cause fights. Want a clear freq? QSY up or down 2 KHz. I sometimes QRP DX with as little as 100 mW but I don't demand a clear frequency for that quirky pursuit... certainly not on 20-meters.     

Not to mention that the 20M AM freq is 1khz away from the QRP freq...


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W7ASA on August 06, 2016, 04:33:15 PM
The problem with 'gentleman's agreements' is the preponderance of narcissists.

72 de Ray


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: JS6TMW on August 06, 2016, 05:24:20 PM
The JARL Field Day suggested CW frequencies for 20 and 15 straddle the QRP freqs, so if the propagation is good this weekend you could hear lots of JAs. 40 is jammed with FDers too but I really doubt they will hear a QRP US station.

Steve in Okinawa


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: KB1GMX on August 07, 2016, 09:38:03 AM
The problem is many assume QRP=CW.   To me its all modes.  My preference is
QRP SSB and on any band phone its permitted and its good fun. 

As to rock bound.  Some modes its a fact of life for minimalist but it needn't be.
I run a Kitsandparts 1W and while rock bound it has a good VXO that really works.
I'd add  one neat little radio.  For 40M SSB a KNQ7A also has rocks but also does
VXO in the 7.145-170 (or high end of the band with different rock) region.

Even a small amount of tuning is very useful for QRM reasons or because the frequency
is in use.  Also useful when the other guy is also rock bound and both stuck and slightly
off frequency.  Novices were stuck with rocks as back then knowing what frequency you
were on was not a quick consult with high resolution counter.  VFOs back then were
drift laden.  We  have the technology or at least measurement tools why be stuck!
Even then then the novice could at least tune his RX,

Since I find it a pointless (just a personal opinion) to strand myself in any part of
the spectrum I build all my HB stuff to tune at least some.   It always seems the
best contacts are not limited to a few small spots.

Oddly there are tons of high power stations and 100watters with stuck knobs
that seems to behave like they are rock bound. 

Allison


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: K8PRG on August 08, 2016, 05:37:28 PM
Last week I bought a Yaesu FT-817ND from DX Engineering.  I'm low on testosterone so their sale price plus the rebate from Yaesu sucked me in.  Today I tried it on 20 meters on the designated 20 meter QRP frequency using battery power and 2.5 watts.  I didn't hear any one so after questioning if the frequency was in use, I tried a CQ.  I then got a response that the frequency was in use from a strong signal.  I listened and found out it was from a 1X2 call sign, which I wrote down, but won't mention, and he was in Colorado (I'm in Texas) and running a 1,000 watts.  Seriously?  why do we have a band plan? 

Do we need a forum called "Toads" where we list the call signs, date and time, of these lids?


I'm sitting here with my mouse pad/ ARRL US Amateur Radio Band sheet.....big too, 17 x 11...pretty colors....and I can't find any mention at all about QRP freqs.....is it outdated?


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W7ASA on August 08, 2016, 06:22:08 PM
ARRL ?   they are not a good representative of low power, home brewers and have not been for a long time, at least since the days of Doud Demaw and the solid state design book . Ymmv

A quick Google of QRP calling frequencies, or look-up a long standing club like QRP ARCI, or reference the newer (and VERY cool) SOTA & etc. That would be more on target.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W9IQ on August 09, 2016, 04:45:26 AM
Quote
I'm sitting here with my mouse pad/ ARRL US Amateur Radio Band sheet.....big too, 17 x 11...pretty colors....and I can't find any mention at all about QRP freqs.....is it outdated?

Upon closer inspection you will find that the ARRL color band plan is simply a reflection of the regulatory provisions for amateur radio frequency allocations by the FCC. None of the voluntary band plans, including QRP, are included.

- Glenn W9IQ


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: K7EXJ on August 09, 2016, 01:27:35 PM
Try 30 meters, plenty of room for QRPers.

And this is true. In addition, with lower sunspots, it's more likely to be open during daytimes.

Plus I tend to answer CQs (pounce) more than calling (unless I am interested in the RBN skimmers to see if the band is open).




Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: N4MU on August 14, 2016, 08:13:56 AM
I'll ask again. What is the CURRENT worldwide 20 meter QRP frequency and can someone provide a link to it?  
I already posted a link in my last post.
Here again is the ARRL's Considerate Operator's Frequency Guide.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/conop.pdf

Here's the plan for 20 meters from the guide.

Quote
14.060 QRP CW calling frequency

14.070-14.095 RTTY/Data
14.095-14.0995 Automatically controlled data stations
14.100 IBP/NCDXF beacons
14.1005-14.112 Automatically controlled data stations
14.230 SSTV
14.233 D-SSTV
14.236 Digital Voice
14.285 QRP SSB calling frequency
14.286 AM calling frequency


Dang it! I didn't notice a suggested frequency for the considerate contester! Bully!


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W2UIS on August 15, 2016, 07:58:48 AM
I have been monitoring 14.285 for the past week. Nothing not even a reply to my CQs. !4.285 can be use by anyone not just QRP operators, remeber this a band plan not law. On September 11 I will be hosting a Regional 20 Meter net for the American Legion on 14.285 at 4pm EDT. I chose this frequency in the hope of generating QRP contacts during the net. We shall see if I can wake up this frequency. Please join me on the net.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: AB1LT on August 15, 2016, 02:05:50 PM
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Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: VK3YE on August 16, 2016, 03:49:34 AM
I have been monitoring 14.285 for the past week. Nothing not even a reply to my CQs.

Search & Pounce definitely the way to go.  Every time I turn the radio on:

1. Tune around for stations calling CQ & call them
2. If no stations calling CQ, listen for contacts about to end and try to gauge their intentions.  Once you're sure they've finished call one of them.
3. Only if repeated application of the above fails to result in a contact after 15 min or more of tuning and listening should one call CQ.
4. A few CQ calls is often not good enough - you may need to call for 15 min or more.  
5. If that still fails repeat 1-4 again.  

QRP, especially on 14 MHz, is a hunt and pounce game.  The reason for no activity on 14.285 is because other QRPers have also discovered this.  

I don't think it's fair for QRPers to expect other amateurs to keep clear of so-called calling frequencies they hardly use.

I don't mind the concept of QRP centres of activity where lots of QRPers happen to congregate around certain frequencies but it needs to be backed up by activity.




Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: KC2QYM on August 16, 2016, 07:31:44 AM
How many times do stations running over QRP power announce themselves as such in order to get in front of the pileups?  Let's be honest, this happens more often than many will admit.  That being the case, I don't believe that there should be dedicated band segments simply based on power simply because it can't be enforced by anybody.  There are enough problems between hams who don't understand how much bandwidth separation they must maintain let alone how much power they should or shouldn't use on whatever designated frequency to operate on.  We should be happy just to be able to get hams to operate in the right modes in those designated band spaces.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: KK4YDR on August 16, 2016, 09:59:46 AM
I am tired of two things...

QRP stations that call QRP at the end of their callsign. Honestly QRP is defined as a term that lets stations know that you are reducing power, not operating in reduced power. How this came to be is beyond me. It is a CW code anyways. It grinds my gears to hear people using Q codes on phone conversations. Just say what you are doing. Im gonna switch frequencies as opposed to im going to QSY or I am going to reduce power to 5 watts instead of im gonna qrp or I heard you and I agree instead of QSL all the time. Sigh.... people don't want to learn to use morse but they sure will use the stupid Q codes in phone conversations.

I can be a battery operated station using 50 watts and I still do not call QRP. I will call low power if I am going to reduce from 50 watts to 1 watt or whatever as an informative gesture.

I believe that just because you are running low power doesn't mean you should be someone special who has to call it out every single time you CQ.

Radio is radio and there is no defined standard power level that makes you some QRP special station.

As far as I and many others concern it, QRP might as well be 1000 watts to someone running 1500 watts or 1 watt to someone running 5 watts.

Just another pet peave. And a band plan is not a law or a rule for that matter. It is just a community agreement of organized usage of a given set of frequency ranges.

However, there  are rules as set by governing authorities such as technicians having to stay on 10 meters for phone ops etc....

And what really grinds my gears is the fact that everyone thinks running QRP is some special mode of phone operations that you have to have a special station for.... WRONG as defined by the FCC we should be using the lowest power possible to maintain a good communication and no more. But running amplifiers have become the standard defacto method of operation, thus making anything lower than 100 watts seem taboo or extremely special???? I would rather run 5 watts to get a 59 but it rarely happens, especially given the solar cycle null were in. I do run 1500 watts but most of the time I run 6-900 on my legal limit amplifier. However, I also run 5 watts on my 817 but I do not think of my self as a QRP station. I think of my self as a station running low power that has the ability to lower my power even more thus qrp'ing.


Imagine if every HAM called /qrp on 2 meter repeater work or everyone that had a Baofeng radio calling QRP when they are running low power. It would be the most annoying thing just like stations that say ...... "AB1CDE for ID". I can stand that. Why is low power on HF considered QRP but not VHF? What defines QRP For each method of operating? That is not a question. Please don't say hi hi on the air in phone either. My god.  Or worse yet people that give 60 over reports to stations coming through a repeater. sigh .....


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: WB2WIK on August 16, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Last week I bought a Yaesu FT-817ND from DX Engineering.  I'm low on testosterone so their sale price plus the rebate from Yaesu sucked me in.  Today I tried it on 20 meters on the designated 20 meter QRP frequency using battery power and 2.5 watts.  I didn't hear any one so after questioning if the frequency was in use, I tried a CQ.  I then got a response that the frequency was in use from a strong signal.  I listened and found out it was from a 1X2 call sign, which I wrote down, but won't mention, and he was in Colorado (I'm in Texas) and running a 1,000 watts.  Seriously?  why do we have a band plan? 

Do we need a forum called "Toads" where we list the call signs, date and time, of these lids?


It's not liddish to run as much power as one wishes to run, legally.

To me 14.060 is just another frequency where mostly slower speed ops hang out...a lot of "SKCC" stuff.

And I operate CW every day, as I have for most days (probably 90% of all days) since the mid-1960s.   Over 300,000 CW QSOs in 51 years.

Here's a fun fact:  In my experience a LOT of QRP ops can't hear well at all.   It's very common for me to answer a station who tells me he's QRP on his very first transmission, so I figure, "Great, I'll go QRP also and have a QRP to QRP contact."   So, I dial it back to 5W and the other station loses me entirely (even though I hear him fine at 5W).   So, I dial it back up to 100W and now he hears me again.

On 20m I use a beam at 55 feet and have a very low noise level.

Almost every single day what I described does indeed occur.   And many stations tell me they're using KX3s, K3s, etc -- so I know their receivers are "laboratory good."  The problem may be cockpit error, or even more likely just local noise levels.   Mine is very low (usually S1 on 20m, depends a bit on beam heading); if yours isn't, you're not going to hear me as well as I hear you.

When working some QRP stations, I find they don't answer many signals I hear fine.   Common for me to hear a QRP op call CQ, get three answers, then call CQ again.   When I finally call with a kilowatt, they respond. :D


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W7ASA on August 16, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
Your Great antenna and a low noise location go a very long way. As the old saying goes : 'a good antenna is the best amplifier' as you also pointed-out: local noise level is critical. I used to routinely keep a sked with a /mm out on the other side of the Pacific, using my QRP rig, but 2 Watts from a Rocky Mountakn ridge long to his ham set in the ocean is what made that work: none of the residential electronics around to ruin reception, and frankly: he was a very good Op.

73 de Ray ...-  .-


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: K0OD on August 17, 2016, 07:18:30 AM
I hate when posters repeatedly say, "what really grinds my gears," unless perhaps when a robot says it.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W8GP on August 17, 2016, 09:33:53 AM
I have been operating 5W QRP for 46 years and I have never (intentionally) made a contact on any QRP calling frequency.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: WB4M on August 20, 2016, 08:37:13 AM
Well. the ham in question might not have been aware of a QRP frequency.  Right off the top of my head I could not tell you all of the SSTV gathering holes.   Just like FISTS or SKCC have their designated frequencies but unless you are in those clubs I seriously doubt you know them all.
Secondly, he may have been in a QSO with a QRP station that you couldn't hear.   Nobody owns any frequency or has any particular rights to a certain frequency.  You can run 1KW on 14.060 if you want, some guys like to work QRP stations even though they are not low power themselves.   You also can run QRP anywhere on 20 meters you want.  I've had a FT-817ND for over 2 years now and you will really enjoy it.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: WB4M on August 20, 2016, 08:46:55 AM
I'll ask again. What is the CURRENT worldwide 20 meter QRP frequency and can someone provide a link to it? 

The suggested QRP frequency for CW on 20 meters is 14.060.   Try a Google search for SSB and CW QRP frequencies for all the bands.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: N8YX on August 30, 2016, 03:19:11 PM
I have been operating 5W QRP for 46 years and I have never (intentionally) made a contact on any QRP calling frequency.
2-10w here, depending on rig...I just call CQ or respond to one and away I go. Most times I only mention power levels after I exchange station info with the other op.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: NN4RH on September 04, 2016, 06:43:07 AM
Last week I bought a Yaesu FT-817ND from DX Engineering.  I'm low on testosterone so their sale price plus the rebate from Yaesu sucked me in.  Today I tried it on 20 meters on the designated 20 meter QRP frequency using battery power and 2.5 watts.  I didn't hear any one so after questioning if the frequency was in use, I tried a CQ.  I then got a response that the frequency was in use from a strong signal.  I listened and found out it was from a 1X2 call sign, which I wrote down, but won't mention, and he was in Colorado (I'm in Texas) and running a 1,000 watts.  Seriously?  why do we have a band plan?  

Do we need a forum called "Toads" where we list the call signs, date and time, of these lids?


Was this CW or SSB?  

Apparently you had a QSO anyway, right, if you found out that he was in Texas and running 1000 Watts.

As someone else mentioned, it's a good sign that anyone even heard your 2.5 Watts. Especially if this was on SSB QRP. If it was CW QRP not such a big deal.


As for "frequency in use".  Maybe it was.  20 meter propagation is such that you might not be able to hear everyone who is in QSO on the frequency.  

As for "qrp calling frequency".  You don't own it. The band plan is just a suggestion.  Especially on SSB on 20 meters you can't realistically expect anyone else to NOT use the frequency. And especially especially if there was a contest on.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W2UIS on September 08, 2016, 06:53:08 AM
Yesterday afternoon (9/7/16) two ham were having a nice long QSO in 14.285. First activity on this frequency in ages.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W2UIS on September 08, 2016, 07:19:24 AM
I wish my fellow Hams would understand that the ARRL Band Plans are not FCC rules.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W2UIS on September 12, 2016, 05:43:32 PM
Conducted my net on 14.285 yesterday without any complaints from the contesters who were using the frequency through out the weekend.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: W3ATT on October 04, 2016, 07:07:50 AM
This happens often on 40 meters 7.030 - and I can only assume that many ops don't know or care about qrp watering holes. It's not a crime to use QRO on those frequencies, it's just the plain fact that they don't know and have not read about or heard about it.

I've already looked up the op on QRZ and sent a POLITE email explaining. You'd be surprised at how well it is received.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: AA4GA on October 08, 2016, 12:27:57 PM
I look at the QRP "watering holes" not as frequencies reserved for QRPers, but as frequencies where I may be more likely to find someone else running QRP, should I want to do that.  And I'll tune by those frequencies a fair bit, depending on what I'm doing, but more often I'm just operating wherever I'd like.  If I hear a 1500 watter on 14.060, it doesn't bother me. 

FWIW, I've operated almost exclusively QRP for over five years now...with a few excursions at 50 to 100 watts...maybe a total of 100 out of 9000 QSOs in that time.  I see no reason to limit myself to one or two channels per band.


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: AK0B on October 10, 2016, 05:29:01 AM
There're NO QRP calling frequencies. 

Never has been.

Stan akob


Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: AB1LT on October 10, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
Can't believe this is still going on.
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Title: RE: Venting: QRP calling frequency misuse
Post by: ND6M on October 10, 2016, 02:15:49 PM
There're NO QRP calling frequencies. 

Never has been.

Stan akob

Guess that depends on if one complies with any (Gentlemans') band plan.