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Title: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 03, 2016, 04:29:23 AM
I just installed the latest build or update of WIN 10 last nite.(from version 1511 to 1607) It takes some time to install with a few reboots but up and running with no issues. Changes to start panel are visible (for better I think) and no big surprises and works same as before otherwise. I will dig into it of next several days. One machine down and 3 more to go. I will update them when I next use them.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KJ4RWH on August 03, 2016, 12:09:45 PM
Where does one find the OS version #? I looked in the usual System Info but didn't see it.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: N9KX on August 03, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
i have noticed with my Windows 10 PC that even after i set Mozilla Firefox as my default browser, it almost weekly undoes my setting... maybe after every update(?)...  i find it annoying, anyone have a work around or experience the same?

also, are updates on 10 automatic and you cannot choose which ones like with 7?  I went to change my update settings and lately it only has an option for how they are delivered and whether to notify me of a needed restart before just doing it on me...

i use spybot anti-beacon but note that it often wont respond after a Windows update and i end up having to do a restart to get it to load...  anyone know if MS has implemented things to thwart or disable SpyBot anti-beacon?



Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 03, 2016, 02:27:21 PM
Where does one find the OS version #? I looked in the usual System Info but didn't see it.

It will say build 1607 when you download it. It is a big download nearly size of first release of 10 (build 1511) and takes some time to install and a couple of reboots too.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: K7MEM on August 03, 2016, 02:34:47 PM
Where does one find the OS version #? I looked in the usual System Info but didn't see it.

I use the WIN + R key and then type in "winver", without the quotes. It will pop up a window with the version number.

i have noticed with my Windows 10 PC that even after i set Mozilla Firefox as my default browser, it almost weekly undoes my setting... maybe after every update(?)...  i find it annoying, anyone have a work around or experience the same?

This is mostly the fault of Cortana. The default search engine for Cortana is Bing and even if you set your browser default to anything else, you will get a Bing search. There is a selection in Cortana for selecting your preferred search engine, but it only has Bing in the list. Currently I have Cortana disabled except for the search capability. I never enable the microphone and the audio out is always disabled. They say the new update will prevent disabling Cortana, but no one is sure of anything. I guess we will see when the update happens.

One way to get around it is to install Chrome and then install a extension called Chrometana. I don't know if Firefox has the same extension. This forces a override of the Bing searches and changes them to the search engine of your choice. While you at it, install AdBlock Plus at the same time.

also, are updates on 10 automatic and you cannot choose which ones like with 7?  I went to change my update settings and lately it only has an option for how they are delivered and whether to notify me of a needed restart before just doing it on me...  

The system can be set to notify you that a update is available and that you need to reboot. But it schedules a reboot for a specific time and if you don't check it, you might get a surprise. I don't like being interrupted, so I set the scheduled time to "Tomorrow at 2:00 AM". However, I am never up at 2:AM and my computer is always asleep. So no reboot happens. Then I can choose when I want the reboot to happen. It can get very insistent if you put it off for too long.

i use spybot anti-beacon but note that it often wont respond after a Windows update and i end up having to do a restart to get it to load...  anyone know if MS has implemented things to thwart or disable SpyBot anti-beacon?  

I have no idea about SpyBot, because I don't use SpyBot. I just made sure that, everything that wanted to report back to MS (or whoever) was disabled. I have been using Windows 10 since December 2015, and haven't seen any of my setting change. I also use the Task Manager to make sure the OS didn't start up some extra junk.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KX4OM on August 03, 2016, 02:47:22 PM
Martin, all of the stuff that Windows 10 Pro users disabled previously cannot be disabled in in Windows 10 1607. Only Enterprise and Education are allowed to turn off the telemetry, the ads, Cortana, "tips" pop-ups and a litany of other things. The Anniversary Update is a downgrade for Win10 Pro users. I consider it a nasty trick played on Pro users with the "free" upgrades from Win7.

Fortunately, I was able to delay the Upgrade (it is actually called that in the Updates box) for at least 4 months, which puts me in the Business Branch. I'll be watching closely for work-arounds developed by individual contributors. This was a shameless scam by Microsoft, IMHO.

Ted, KX4OM


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 03, 2016, 03:17:15 PM
The Anniversary Update is a downgrade for Win10 Pro users. I consider it a nasty trick played on Pro users with the "free" upgrades from Win7.

As usually people that are pretty clueless about OS updates and changes and their reason ALWAYS assume gloom and doom and hidden agendas. Since they are clueless they bitch it is bad and answer is to move backwards.

What totally escapes these poster and others like him is that MS is pushing 10 out not for reasons poster thinks but because Win 7 is a dead end and MS will die if it does not move beyond it. (it clung to 7 too long and that mentality hurt them badly in smart-phone world) 7 is not viable at all on todays cross platform environment and has NO SUPPORT for the new cross platform friendly programing API that is replacing WIN32 API that has on cross platform support. FYI Win 8x and 10 DO NOT have WIN32/64 API library in them. It has been replaced with a new standard that at this time provides lgacy support for old WIN32/64 API apps if they are properly written and compiled.

One more thing, you should see the "data" your smart phone OS collects for performance and future bug fixes. 10 is more actively monitoring code performance to further develop it. Also if you read up on 1607 build you will find unlike first build this one is tailored for hardware it is running on to work better on old hardware based on performance data.

The clueless cry foul the most and then likely post on FB which snoops EVERYTHING you do. 


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: K5PHW on August 03, 2016, 04:44:49 PM
Have you always been a total ahole?  :D


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 03, 2016, 04:52:19 PM
Have you always been a total ahole?  :D

Why because I do not buy into gloom and doom or lament Win 7 dying? There was a time when Hams were on cutting edge of new technology in computers but today the are afraid of change and lot for excuses to justify moving backwards rather than forward. Any a-holes here are ones saying do not upgrade and stay in the past and they are one because they have no real understanding of where computing is headed yet they think they do.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KX4OM on August 03, 2016, 04:52:34 PM
All of your bellicose rhetoric on the subject is absurd. This was a clear example of a bait-and-switch by Microsoft. Hey, a free upgrade, you can opt out of the ads, the store, the privacy issues...just go ahead and trade in your Windows 7 Pro for Windows 10...it's a great deal!

So, in the end, after the "Update", MSFT reduces their costs on Win7 support and slams the suckers with ads, "TIPS", less privacy. Well, they weren't really Professional users; they were just Amateurs who don't know what is good for them.  Downgrade 'em!

Ted, KX4OM



Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: ND6M on August 06, 2016, 01:18:11 PM
Some of us couldn't care less about a "smart" phone.

Bottom line: Win 10 SUX (thats a highly technical term)


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: WW7KE on August 06, 2016, 01:58:43 PM
Martin, all of the stuff that Windows 10 Pro users disabled previously cannot be disabled in in Windows 10 1607. Only Enterprise and Education are allowed to turn off the telemetry, the ads, Cortana, "tips" pop-ups and a litany of other things. The Anniversary Update is a downgrade for Win10 Pro users. I consider it a nasty trick played on Pro users with the "free" upgrades from Win7.

Fortunately, I was able to delay the Upgrade (it is actually called that in the Updates box) for at least 4 months, which puts me in the Business Branch. I'll be watching closely for work-arounds developed by individual contributors. This was a shameless scam by Microsoft, IMHO.

Ted, KX4OM

Between your post and this article from InfoWorld (http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104389/microsoft-windows/the-case-against-windows-10-anniversary-update-grows.html), I think I'm going to have to just remove Windows 10 Pro completely from my laptop and use Linux Mint exclusively.  I haven't booted into Windows for about 3 months, so I haven't received this "update," and I'm pretty sure I don't want to.

The only bad thing is that I wasted spent $100 on the upgrade from Win 10 Home to Pro last October.  I did it for work-related uses that are no longer applicable.  I hate having to eat that cost, but that's the way it goes.  Never again.  Micro$oft is now a complete nonentity, as far as I'm concerned.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 07, 2016, 05:37:06 PM

Between your post and this article from InfoWorld (http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104389/microsoft-windows/the-case-against-windows-10-anniversary-update-grows.html), I think I'm going to have to just remove Windows 10 Pro completely from my laptop and use Linux Mint exclusively.  I haven't booted into Windows for about 3 months, so I haven't received this "update," and I'm pretty sure I don't want to.


One day you will realize the folly of this downgrade to Linux.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: WW7KE on August 07, 2016, 10:05:04 PM
Between your post and this article from InfoWorld (http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104389/microsoft-windows/the-case-against-windows-10-anniversary-update-grows.html), I think I'm going to have to just remove Windows 10 Pro completely from my laptop and use Linux Mint exclusively.  I haven't booted into Windows for about 3 months, so I haven't received this "update," and I'm pretty sure I don't want to.

One day you will realize the folly of this downgrade to Linux.

And why, O Great Computergeniusizer, would you pontificate such an oxymoron?  There is absolutely nothing that I need in Windows, now that I no longer have to have it for work.  I am in total control of all aspects of my life, including computing and ham radio, now that I'm retired.  Micro$oft is now an irrelevancy, rather than merely a necessary irritant. 

If you have issues with that, too bad.  Not my problem.  All of a sudden, I'm channeling Bob Dylan's Positively 4th Street, especially the last verse.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KD8MJR on August 08, 2016, 12:20:23 PM
Martin, all of the stuff that Windows 10 Pro users disabled previously cannot be disabled in in Windows 10 1607. Only Enterprise and Education are allowed to turn off the telemetry, the ads, Cortana, "tips" pop-ups and a litany of other things. The Anniversary Update is a downgrade for Win10 Pro users. I consider it a nasty trick played on Pro users with the "free" upgrades from Win7.

Fortunately, I was able to delay the Upgrade (it is actually called that in the Updates box) for at least 4 months, which puts me in the Business Branch. I'll be watching closely for work-arounds developed by individual contributors. This was a shameless scam by Microsoft, IMHO.

Ted, KX4OM

Well I figured MS was going to screw the users in some way!  When MS says something is free, you just know that something unpleasant is going to happen.  Thats why I have been saying from day one do not upgrade to Win10 until the software costs money and they have removed the spyware.  Once you have a freeware OS on your PC it now allows MS to do anything they want and there is not a dam thing you can do about it. 

JX I am still enjoying my Win7 Pro and the fact that it runs everything without a problem, I am still waiting for my PC world to crash as you predicted!  Oh and no encrypted data packets going out. 

73
Rob


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: VE3JEC on August 08, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
I have seen lots of hate and some love everywhere i look on the Win10 subject.

Myself i like Win 7, more so likely because i know how it will behave and react. I installed Win 10 on apc i built mom but have not played much with it, i didnt note anything i disliked really though.

My GF's laptop came with win8.0 no there was a OS i hated, we did the free upgrade to Win 10 with it just to gt away from win 8, she likes it. 

Enough rambling, my question i have is, i seen lot of people saying that the Win10 OS forces updates. To me i find this troublesome as quite a bit of the time i am tethered (wifi)to my cell phone for internet, and while its quick i don't want to lose the bandwidth i pay for to an update. So is their an option to check and notify but NOT download until given permission to do so? 

Thoughts?


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W4JCK on August 08, 2016, 01:51:34 PM
<<So is their an option to check and notify but NOT download until given permission to do so?  >>

In the Home version -NO
There was/is an option in the Pro version to allow you to at least manage when the updates were done.  With the recent "Anniversary" update, there are reports that the option in Pro is no longer available.  But it's early for the update, so this might not be permanent.  In any case, if you want some control over the updates, the Home version is not a good choice.

Good luck



Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: K0BT on August 08, 2016, 01:58:24 PM
I have seen lots of hate and some love everywhere i look on the Win10 subject.

Myself i like Win 7, more so likely because i know how it will behave and react. I installed Win 10 on apc i built mom but have not played much with it, i didnt note anything i disliked really though.

My GF's laptop came with win8.0 no there was a OS i hated, we did the free upgrade to Win 10 with it just to gt away from win 8, she likes it. 

Enough rambling, my question i have is, i seen lot of people saying that the Win10 OS forces updates. To me i find this troublesome as quite a bit of the time i am tethered (wifi)to my cell phone for internet, and while its quick i don't want to lose the bandwidth i pay for to an update. So is their an option to check and notify but NOT download until given permission to do so? 

Thoughts?

In Windows 10 Pro, you can defer updates.  In Windows 10 Home, you have less control.  You can, however, tell Windows that you are running on a metered connection, which makes Windows restrict how applications use your network bandwidth.

This will only work if you are using WiFi.  It does not work for a hardwired Ethernet connection.  The downside is that you'll need to remember to check for updates on your own schedule.

You can find this under Settings / Network & Internet / WiFi / Manage known networks.  Click on the name of your WiFi network, then on Properties, and enable 'Set as metered connection'.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: K7MEM on August 08, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
Martin, all of the stuff that Windows 10 Pro users disabled previously cannot be disabled in in Windows 10 1607. Only Enterprise and Education are allowed to turn off the telemetry, the ads, Cortana, "tips" pop-ups and a litany of other things. The Anniversary Update is a downgrade for Win10 Pro users. I consider it a nasty trick played on Pro users with the "free" upgrades from Win7.

Thank you for your information. I was already aware of the possible issues with the 1607 update. While I won't go out and get it, when it comes to my PCs I will install it. I have been using Windows 10, on three separate systems, for 8 months now (more than that on one of them). Two were updates from Windows 7 and the other was pre-installed on a new laptop. There were some issues initially, but either they were resolved with a simple google search or the updates took care of it. I expect the same from the 1607 update.

It's just that, I have just been working with computers for too long (about 45 years) and have survived hundreds of updates. Some were not a lot of fun, some brought new and exciting changes, but they all happened, no matter how much I wanted them to go away. These days, I can't seem to get excited about them any more.

So when the update comes, I will install it. How else am I going to know whether all the hype about the update is true or not? I'll be sure to report back. However, if I disappear from the internet suddenly after the update ....


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: AA4PB on August 08, 2016, 03:45:54 PM
I've been through quite a few automatic Win10 updates and haven't had an issues yet. In general, updates don't bring you any new features - they mostly bring you security updates that may keep you from being hacked. I've run across a few "home" computers that either had updates turned off or had "ask before install" and the user always clicked cancel, not knowing what a Windows update was. Then when they get a virus or hacked they can't understand why Microsoft didn't do something to prevent it. I would guess that this is why Win10 home version makes it more difficult to avoid updates.

In the corporate world IT people often get the updates first themselves, check them out to ensure they have no negative impact on any of their software, and then push them over their network to their user's computers. Thus, Microsoft gives them more control over their updates.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KOP on August 08, 2016, 06:18:02 PM

Between your post and this article from InfoWorld (http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104389/microsoft-windows/the-case-against-windows-10-anniversary-update-grows.html), I think I'm going to have to just remove Windows 10 Pro completely from my laptop and use Linux Mint exclusively.  I haven't booted into Windows for about 3 months, so I haven't received this "update," and I'm pretty sure I don't want to.


One day you will realize the folly of this downgrade to Linux.

OS: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64/x86_64 - Distro: Debian 7.8 - CPU: 8 x Intel Xeon (3000.000 MHz) - Processes: 207 - Uptime: 4d 15h 52m - Users: 2 - Load Average: 0.30 - Memory Usage: 2595.21MB/32247.37MB (8.05%) - Disk Usage: 2266.33GB/3948.30GB (57.40%)

Data redundancy in a RAID6 array . Memory management extending to interleaving as well as real time error correction . A transparent operating system that doesn't need a MCSE in order to disseminate opinion from fact because the API as well as the source is obfuscated , occluded and hidden from all but "partners" that even then have only a portion of the source . 

I made my switch to open source in 1998 and use microsoft products to demonstrate the superiorities of open source . I will admit that M$ office is the benchmark and has been for some time .

John , would you by a $1000 transceiver with the covers welded on ? . Would you buy a car with the hood welded shut ?
That is what M$ is and has been asking the consumer to do for decades . I refuse .

AF7XT Dennis


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 08, 2016, 06:35:25 PM

JX I am still enjoying my Win7 Pro and the fact that it runs everything without a problem, I am still waiting for my PC world to crash as you predicted!  Oh and no encrypted data packets going out. 


When you finally figure out you missed the boat it will be long out of port. You do not understand that WIN 32 API is a dying API as it has been replaced with a new API since 8x that currently supports legacy API apps. I suspect though that by Win 11 that support will be gone just like WIN 16 was dropped long ago. Win 7 has no support for new API and never will. Stay with 7 is kinda like staying with WIN 98 when XP rolled out. WIN98 was a sinking ship and so is 7 you just do not realize it yet.

You are convinced that there is a secret agenda with 10 but only agenda ia dumping 7 because MS has to move into new cross platform world. & has zero future there and MS is behind curve because it clung to 7 too long. The sooner 7 is buried, the quicker MS can move forward.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KD8MJR on August 08, 2016, 08:41:02 PM

JX I am still enjoying my Win7 Pro and the fact that it runs everything without a problem, I am still waiting for my PC world to crash as you predicted!  Oh and no encrypted data packets going out.  


When you finally figure out you missed the boat it will be long out of port. You do not understand that WIN 32 API is a dying API as it has been replaced with a new API since 8x that currently supports legacy API apps. I suspect though that by Win 11 that support will be gone just like WIN 16 was dropped long ago. Win 7 has no support for new API and never will. Stay with 7 is kinda like staying with WIN 98 when XP rolled out. WIN98 was a sinking ship and so is 7 you just do not realize it yet.  

Windows XP on day one was clearly better from a user stand point than Win98.  Thats why adoption of it was so quick.  That is not the case with Win10, it's more of a you might like it or you might not if your already a Win7 user.

As for me missing the boat, thank God I did not listen to you and buy a ticket for the Win8 Boat  ;)  That ticket costed good money and the accommodations stunk  :D

You fail to realize that even as we speak numerous organizations and people are not going to move to Win10 so long as the spyware remains intact.   Thats why if you go right now to DELLS website you can order a corporate PC with Win 7 Pro on it just as easily as you can buy one with Win10.   You also fail to realize that Microsoft can do nothing so long as the Win10 market share remains low.  You cannot convince any software developer to dump Win7 compatibility or drivers when Win10 only has 19% of the market share!   That software company would be writing software that could only be sold to a maximum of 19% of windows users.

The Death of Win7 will be determined when Microsoft can reach a magical number that convinces developers to abandon making software for Win7.  In the meantime there is very little MS can do about Win7 lingering on for many more years.



Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: N9KX on August 09, 2016, 02:15:14 AM
Quote from: WW7KE
Bob Dylan's Positively 4th Street, especially the last verse.

well-played OM


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KK4GGL on August 09, 2016, 08:46:27 AM

Between your post and this article from InfoWorld (http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104389/microsoft-windows/the-case-against-windows-10-anniversary-update-grows.html), I think I'm going to have to just remove Windows 10 Pro completely from my laptop and use Linux Mint exclusively.  I haven't booted into Windows for about 3 months, so I haven't received this "update," and I'm pretty sure I don't want to.


One day you will realize the folly of this downgrade to Linux.
One day you will realize t moving to GNU/Linux is quite an upgrade from Windows.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KK4GGL on August 09, 2016, 08:50:59 AM

JX I am still enjoying my Win7 Pro and the fact that it runs everything without a problem, I am still waiting for my PC world to crash as you predicted!  Oh and no encrypted data packets going out. 


When you finally figure out you missed the boat it will be long out of port. You do not understand that WIN 32 API is a dying API as it has been replaced with a new API since 8x that currently supports legacy API apps.
You don't get to tell anyone what they do or do not understand.
I suspect though that by Win 11 that support will be gone just like WIN 16 was dropped long ago. Win 7 has no support for new API and never will. Stay with 7 is kinda like staying with WIN 98 when XP rolled out. WIN98 was a sinking ship and so is 7 you just do not realize it yet.
A sinking ship? W7? Hardly.
You are convinced
You don't get to tell people of what they are convinced.
that there is a secret agenda with 10 but only agenda ia dumping 7 because MS has to move into new cross platform world. & has zero future there and MS is behind curve because it clung to 7 too long. The sooner 7 is buried, the quicker MS can move forward.
MS needs to be buried.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W4JCK on August 09, 2016, 10:11:05 AM
Win 10 has certainly become a contentious issue.  I passed on the free upgrade.  For me there was no compelling reason to switch to the newer version.  From my perspective, that's all it was - "newer".

As someone else noted, if you've been using computers awhile, the next update is around the corner.  I started with PC DOS 1.1 and have pretty much been through all of them, even the DOS 4 fiasco and the pitiable Windows 1.0.

For those who have upgraded to 10 and are satisfied, jolly good.  It's your computer, your programs and data, you should damn well run what you want to on it.  If you liked Vista or Win 8, good for you.  Again, it's your computer and only you know exactly how you want to use it.  I've still got a couple of DOS programs I need to run from time to time.  These were custom programs so there will be no new versions.  I keep a Dell laptop with XP Pro just for those programs - such is life.

I don't have any inherent fear of a particular API - I've seen these change multiple times.  If it affects something I do and perceive a need for, I'll address it when and if I want to.  I certainly don't lose sleep over it.

All this almost reminds me of the Commodore vs Atari or Apple vs PC arguments of days long ago.  It all was "fun" depending on the camp you were in, but it invariably changed nothing.  I subscribe to the notion that if it's your computer and you're happy with it and it does what you want it to, "nuts" to anyone who tells you differently - regardless of what operating system you use.

So, let the great debate continue.  It's fun to follow, but as Ricardo Montalban once said, standing next to a Chrysler Cordoba - "I know my needs".



Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: K7EXJ on August 09, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
One day you will realize the folly of this downgrade to Linux.
One day you will realize t moving to GNU/Linux is quite an upgrade from Windows.

JX has long since drank the Kool-Aid. He thinks Linux is a crippled OS but, in reality (and somehow beyond his capacity to discern) it's far and away better. Linux is truly the Swiss Army Knife of operating systems. I was once asked by a client to configure a router that can log every connection attempt by time, the server, and the IP address and computer-name. With Linux there are open-source utilities that can do all this easily. The first week she got my report she gasped and turned white and told me to stop logging. Apparently all the top executives were doing things that were firing offenses according to corporate policy. (Later, the top executives installed their own ISP connection to go around the corporate make an end-run around the corporate LAN and there are now 6 WiFi routers in the plant.)

I just had yet-another client get hit by a ransomeware that propagated by the same trick most of them use. Outlook hides the file type (the three letters after the dot in the file name). So myphoto.jpg.zip looks like myphoto.jpg.

Linux does not hide that file extension.... so, if nothing else, a user could at least see that it's not a real photo.

But the capper is that Windows will automatically execute that file based on the .zip extension. And it will automatically execute .exe, .bat, .jar, and a host of other files BASED UPON THAT EXTENSION. And so, with one click the file server that user shares with 75 other people in the organization is encrypted. And if they don't have backups they pony up a Bitcoin (or more).

Linux, of course, doesn't execute .exe or.bat files at all. Even executing .jar files is impossible unless the user has been stupid enough to allow it by changing the permissions in the file system.

JX doesn't know any of this. His opinions are solidly grounded in MS marketing speak.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: WW7KE on August 09, 2016, 02:41:50 PM
I just had yet-another client get hit by a ransomeware that propagated by the same trick most of them use. Outlook hides the file type (the three letters after the dot in the file name). So myphoto.jpg.zip looks like myphoto.jpg.

Linux does not hide that file extension.... so, if nothing else, a user could at least see that it's not a real photo.

There are no "extensions" in a Linux/UNIX filename.  A period is just another character in the filename, as far as the OS is concerned.  Any use of ASCII characters after the last period is by the application software.

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But the capper is that Windows will automatically execute that file based on the .zip extension. And it will automatically execute .exe, .bat, .jar, and a host of other files BASED UPON THAT EXTENSION. And so, with one click the file server that user shares with 75 other people in the organization is encrypted. And if they don't have backups they pony up a Bitcoin (or more).

Linux, of course, doesn't execute .exe or.bat files at all. Even executing .jar files is impossible unless the user has been stupid enough to allow it by changing the permissions in the file system.

By convention, a file ending in .exe gets associated with WINE, if it's installed.  It should never be used to indicate a Linux executable, even if permissions are set that way.  Unless WINE is installed, nothing should happen when a .exe file is double-clicked.

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JX doesn't know any of this. His opinions are solidly grounded in MS marketing speak.

He probably does, but he still prefers to pimp an inferior OS, made by a company that has seen far better days.  My laptop runs far faster under Mint 17.3 than under Windows 10 Pro.  The only thing that doesn't work under Mint is the touch screen, and I don't care about that.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: N9KX on August 09, 2016, 03:39:15 PM
anyone have a "how to set up Linux Mint for Dummies" link?  i tried once but think i got a bad copy of Mint and now i kind of feel like i am on a Moon landing and if i mess up there goes the oxygen...

after i set up dual boot, if i like Linux Mint and dont mind any resulting sacrifice -- can I end up killing Windows completely and taking back the space?   :)



Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: G8YMW on August 09, 2016, 04:56:31 PM
anyone have a "how to set up Linux Mint for Dummies" link?  i tried once but think i got a bad copy of Mint and now i kind of feel like i am on a Moon landing and if i mess up there goes the oxygen...

after i set up dual boot, if i like Linux Mint and dont mind any resulting sacrifice -- can I end up killing Windows completely and taking back the space?   :)



My own thoughts, have a good look on youtube for dual booting. The UEFI bios can be a pain.
Lucy managed it on the Lenovo she bought last November.

She has to press F12 at startup to get to Grub (the universal  bootloader) or it boots into Win10.
She has not ripped 10 out yet but I know she is warming up the chainsaw
If you find that you don't need Windows. By all means, rip Windows out, as said further up.
Its your computer, no one elses


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 09, 2016, 05:58:21 PM

As for me missing the boat, thank God I did not listen to you and buy a ticket for the Win8 Boat  ;)  That ticket costed good money and the accommodations stunk  :D


I still use Win 8x on two devices and always will. Win 8x is WAAAY better than any WIN7 OS big time. Rock solid and it supports old and new API apps. Those that knock 8x never bothered to learn it. Many of those same ones thought Metro was a OS when it is merely a shell that you do not even have to use. I am typing this on a WIN8.1 netbook.

The ticket that stunk was XP/7 as they sold them way too long and it has cost MS a lot in new multi-platform world.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KD8MJR on August 09, 2016, 07:30:52 PM
JX I don't know what was wrong with your Win7 installations but mine are all rock solid and I have over two dozen applications installed on my home machine and work station at work.

The reason MS sold Win7 for so long was because it was fairly solid and they had just come off of the Vista disaster and did not want to take any chances.  Seems they were correct because Win8 might have cost them the company had they not pre-sold 60 million copies before it's release.  It's interesting that just today MS stock finally hit back it's high point that it had in 1999.  Of course when you adjust for inflation long time investors are still seriously in the red.



Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: VK6IS on August 09, 2016, 08:29:25 PM
anyone have a "how to set up Linux Mint for Dummies" link?  i tried once but think i got a bad copy of Mint and now i kind of feel like i am on a Moon landing and if i mess up there goes the oxygen...

after i set up dual boot, if i like Linux Mint and don't mind any resulting sacrifice
 -- can I end up killing Windows completely and taking back the space?   :)


there is indeed, several of them:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=163126
it's written for win-8x but does apply to win-10 as well.

note: that it's written for a dual_boot setup, though.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: WW7KE on August 09, 2016, 10:39:57 PM
anyone have a "how to set up Linux Mint for Dummies" link?  i tried once but think i got a bad copy of Mint and now i kind of feel like i am on a Moon landing and if i mess up there goes the oxygen...

Installing and setting up any OS is not for the faint of heart, but Linux Mint is far better than Windows.  For one thing, you'll only have to reboot once after the install, and one more time if you need an NVIDIA graphics driver.  The last time I installed Win 7 Pro from scratch, it took 7 reboots.  XP Pro took 10 reboots, since not all drivers were available on the generic CD I had (it was an IT-department-made PC in both cases, not a name brand where the drivers for that machine were included on the CD).

Mint is easy to install, but it is not like Windows in any way (THANK GOD!!!!!! ;D ).  If you have another OS installed and you want to keep it, along with Mint, you have to learn to use partitioning software.  Mint can do this for you, but you might have to delete one or more Windows backup partitions (HP is notorious for maxing out partitions for no reason) and shrink the main Windows partition (the C: drive) in order to make room.

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after i set up dual boot, if i like Linux Mint and dont mind any resulting sacrifice -- can I end up killing Windows completely and taking back the space?   :)

Back up anything you want to keep to another drive, of course.  Then you can tell Mint to use the entire drive if you want to.  Personally, I think that one partition for everything is a big mistake, because if that partition crashes, you lose everything.  If you separate the OS from your own home directories, at least you have a better chance of recovering your data.  It's happened to me more than once, where the root partition crashed, but my /home partition remained intact.  You can recover from a live version of Mint, mounting the drive partitions as needed and copying what can be saved.  I suggest the following (assuming your hard drive is /dev/sda):

/dev/sda1:  Swap file, which should be the size of your RAM.  Some people think this is no longer necessary with modern machines with larger RAM, but I've always found that every once in a while it still gets used.  But the old rule of the swap file being twice the RAM size is long obsolete.

/dev/sda2:  Your root, or system partition (the C: drive in Windows-ese).  Doesn't need to be any more than 50 Gb in any case.  Most Linux distros fully install in 20 Gb, but if you want to add things like LibreOffice (the one that comes with the distro is usually too old), or Chrome/Chromium (same thing -- the provided one is too old), you'll need the extra space.

/dev/sda3:  Your home directory, using the rest of the drive.  User accounts go here.  It would be the rough equivalent of the D: (if you don't have a DVD-ROM drive installed) or E: drive (if you do) in Windows if you have more than one hard drive partition.

Since all that is probably as clear as mud, I suggest reading the installation guide.  If you have a spare PC to play with, then install it there first:  https://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/MATE/english_17.3.pdf


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: N8AUC on August 10, 2016, 10:16:03 PM
Well, Win 10 pro WAS working nicely. I have had it on my machine for about a month now.
I was getting to actually like it. Mainly because it booted much faster than Win 7 Pro did on my dual core laptop.

Then it tried to update today.
When it was done, no network connectivity was available.
Wifi didn't work, neither did the ethernet port. Tried to update the drivers. Win 10 wouldn't do it because it couldn't see a network. And nothing I could do would make it connect to my router.
But all the other devices in the house connected just fine, so I knew it was definitely the computer.
So, I backed up all my data files, pulled out the Win 7 restore disk and my USB hard drive with the system image on it,
and went back to Win 7 Pro.

Now everything works again.

Well, at least I have the digital entitlement for this machine, and I have an ISO image of Win 10 64 bit build 1511.
Maybe they'll get it to work better with a future build. We'll see. But for now, it's back to Win 7 for me.

73 de N8AUC
Eric





Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: AB3LW on August 10, 2016, 10:44:44 PM
Well, Win 10 pro WAS working nicely. I have had it on my machine for about a month now.
I was getting to actually like it. Mainly because it booted much faster than Win 7 Pro did on my dual core laptop.

Then it tried to update today.
When it was done, no network connectivity was available.
Wifi didn't work, neither did the ethernet port. Tried to update the drivers. Win 10 wouldn't do it because it couldn't see a network. And nothing I could do would make it connect to my router.
But all the other devices in the house connected just fine, so I knew it was definitely the computer.
So, I backed up all my data files, pulled out the Win 7 restore disk and my USB hard drive with the system image on it,
and went back to Win 7 Pro.

Now everything works again.

Well, at least I have the digital entitlement for this machine, and I have an ISO image of Win 10 64 bit build 1511.
Maybe they'll get it to work better with a future build. We'll see. But for now, it's back to Win 7 for me.

73 de N8AUC
Eric
 
that happened to me too, go to device manager and disable device, and then re-enable it. create short cut to it. so when it does this once in a while all i have to do is click the short cut and disable it. and click it again and it will re enable by it self.

thats what i did.

i really hate when it does that! (every other power on !)i should have stayed with win 7pro.





Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: G4AON on August 11, 2016, 04:08:45 AM
Here we go again, back in November the Win 10 update wouldn't work with my multi-RS232 card. Eventually I found Amazon selling DeLock external USB to RS232 boxes which said "Windows 10 64 bit", bought one and it worked fine until yesterday when I updated my Win 10 to the Anniversary version...

To be fair to Microsoft, it appears to be the manufacturers of RS232 cables, boxes and cards that aren't bothering to test their products with the latest Win 10 updates. DeLock pointed me to drivers that are dated 2015, the ones I had been using were dated 2016.

If it wasn't for the RS232 requirement, I would be happy with Win 10, but for my needs the hassle is getting beyond a joke and I'm in the process of reverting back to Win 7 from an Acronis backup.

73 Dave


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: N8AUC on August 11, 2016, 05:50:23 AM
Well, Win 10 pro WAS working nicely. I have had it on my machine for about a month now.
I was getting to actually like it. Mainly because it booted much faster than Win 7 Pro did on my dual core laptop.

Then it tried to update today.
When it was done, no network connectivity was available.
Wifi didn't work, neither did the ethernet port. Tried to update the drivers. Win 10 wouldn't do it because it couldn't see a network. And nothing I could do would make it connect to my router.
But all the other devices in the house connected just fine, so I knew it was definitely the computer.
So, I backed up all my data files, pulled out the Win 7 restore disk and my USB hard drive with the system image on it,
and went back to Win 7 Pro.

Now everything works again.

Well, at least I have the digital entitlement for this machine, and I have an ISO image of Win 10 64 bit build 1511.
Maybe they'll get it to work better with a future build. We'll see. But for now, it's back to Win 7 for me.

73 de N8AUC
Eric
 
that happened to me too, go to device manager and disable device, and then re-enable it. create short cut to it. so when it does this once in a while all i have to do is click the short cut and disable it. and click it again and it will re enable by it self.

thats what i did.

i really hate when it does that! (every other power on !)i should have stayed with win 7pro.

I tried that. It had no effect.

It had to be a driver problem though. Because as soon as I restored my Win 7 Pro image, everything worked like it should.

Computers don't last forever. When this one gives up the ghost, I'll get a new one which undoubtedly have Win 10 on it.
Until then, I think I'll just stick with Win 7 Pro. That should give MS more time to get the kinks out of Win 10.
I just don't have time to waste wondering if my system will work right the next time I turn it on.

And just in case, I have an older laptop here that still has XP on it. Kind of an emergency backup computer.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: AA4PB on August 11, 2016, 06:50:20 AM
Did you run the W10 compatibility test software from Microsoft before attempting to upgrade? I ran that on all my computers before attempting to upgrade. One failed the test (incompatible memory chips) so I didn't upgrade it. The other 4 computers (Win7) worked fine after upgrade.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: N8AUC on August 11, 2016, 11:13:05 AM
Did you run the W10 compatibility test software from Microsoft before attempting to upgrade? I ran that on all my computers before attempting to upgrade. One failed the test (incompatible memory chips) so I didn't upgrade it. The other 4 computers (Win7) worked fine after upgrade.

Yes I did.
The test showed my machine (a Dell Latitude E6400) was 100% compatible.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W4JCK on August 12, 2016, 10:33:04 AM
It's gotten a little quiet.  No one else has the "Anniversary" update?
Well, I bought a brand new computer yesterday with Win 10.  I picked up one of those monster HP Stream 13s for $200.
It ranks right above an abacus hardware-wise.
I got it to tinker a bit with Win 10 - we only have one other 10 machine and it's my wife's - one of those laptop/tablet convertible thingies she wanted.  I only use it when asked (usually when there is a problem and there have been a number of those) - she has it the way she wants it.

My end goal is to remove 10 and install Mint 18.  I never thought I would go down the Linux path, but it's now a valid consideration.  I was happy to leave the Command Line behind with DOS and 4 wonderful years of SCO Xenix.  I wonder how the general public will react to MS wanting a monthly fee for the OS in a year or two?  But who knows, maybe that will never happen.  Not to stir the pot or anything...



Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 12, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
I just applied from 1511 to 1607 to another laptop here that originally shipped with 7 and 8 when I got it. I had no issues other than it resetting default browser.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KC1BMD on August 19, 2016, 07:21:23 AM
Win10: installed two machines (one upgrade from Win7/Pro64 and one clean install) with latest updates applied. Only problem I have is after some hours IE11 crashes (excessive memory usage) with multiple tabs open in one browsing session (maybe 6 or so). If I catch it early enough I can just close IE and restart and all is OK. Otherwise, PC locks up and I need to hit power switch and reboot. It's annoying and never happened with Win7/Pro64. Anyway, it runs all my previous s/w including (free) HRD v5.

Win7: <not ham related> One machine remains on Win7 and will never be upgraded until I can no longer use it for whatever reason, mostly due to MS decisions. That PC runs Windows Media Center which is my cable box (with installed cable card from Comcast). I really like the interface and with 2nd 2TB drive installed, I have a whopping DVR storage. I cannot run PLEX, XBMC or similar because WMC does one thing that nobody else can (yet). It can stream live TV broadcast using a cable card. Only MS was licensed to do that. Too bad MS dumped WMC with Win10.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 19, 2016, 07:32:10 AM
Only MS was licensed to do that. Too bad MS dumped WMC with Win10.

It should still be supported with 8.1. Microsoft allowed Media Center from 7 to be added to 8x manually but not with 10.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: VK6IS on August 19, 2016, 07:58:02 AM
I've now installed win-10-AV on a few machines, all laptops.
and in all cases, the upgrade had to be "pushed" to get it started,
as I'd not wanted to wait, for any "auto update" to occur.

the update tool, was downloaded from a Microsoft site,
and it took 40Min to download it.
then it took another hour to install it, re-starting three times.

there are some people who have said that they installed it in 15 -20 min,
and if that is to be believed, then they must have a seriously fast 'net connection,
& be running some fairly spiffy machine, as well.. ..


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: K7MEM on August 19, 2016, 08:16:52 AM
It's gotten a little quiet.  No one else has the "Anniversary" update?

It's gotten quiet because the update was not very exciting. I installed the 1607 release on two machines about a week ago. One was a HP G62 that was originally purchased 6-7 years ago and had Windows 7. It was updated to Windows 10 this past January, and has been working fine ever since. The other is a HP Beats that came with Windows 10 pre-installed. Both were 64 bit machines running the "Home" edition. It was purchased this past December, and has been working fine.

The download took a while, but after that, it was pretty quick. I noticed a small change to the Windows menu and I has some issues with the desktop. Other than that, there was no difference from before the update. All of my applications still worked fine. I did turn off all of the reporting and skipped over configuring Cortana. I also deleted the Cortana link from the toolbar.

Win10: installed two machines (one upgrade from Win7/Pro64 and one clean install) with latest updates applied. Only problem I have is after some hours IE11 crashes (excessive memory usage) with multiple tabs open in one browsing session (maybe 6 or so). If I catch it early enough I can just close IE and restart and all is OK. Otherwise, PC locks up and I need to hit power switch and reboot. It's annoying and never happened with Win7/Pro64. Anyway, it runs all my previous s/w including (free) HRD v5.

I use Chrome as my default browser. But I can also use Firefox and Edge. My system doesn't even have IE11. A quick look around shows that IE11 is problematic on Windows 10. Is there a reason to stay with IE11? My systems are on all the time, but one of them I do put to sleep every night. But the browser is always running, with lots of tabs, and I have never seen a crash. Have you tried a different browser?


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 19, 2016, 08:32:27 AM

I use Chrome as my default browser. But I can also use Firefox and Edge. My system doesn't even have IE11. A quick look around shows that IE11 is problematic on Windows 10. Is there a reason to stay with IE11? My systems are on all the time, but one of them I do put to sleep every night. But the browser is always running, with lots of tabs, and I have never seen a crash. Have you tried a different browser?


I still use IE 11 with 10. 1607 update kinda buried it from easy access but it is still available. I rarely use Edge as it is still a bit quirky and may not render some sites properly. I use Firefox or Opera and rarely use Chrome. Opera performs well on low resource machines too.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KC1BMD on August 19, 2016, 09:56:07 AM
Only MS was licensed to do that. Too bad MS dumped WMC with Win10.

It should still be supported with 8.1. Microsoft allowed Media Center from 7 to be added to 8x manually but not with 10.

Yes, I didn't add that detail but unfortunately I didn't get the download for 8.1 when I had that OS (was free for a while and later cost $10). I could load the media center PC with 8.1 to extend support life but... a) I'm not sure if the WMC download is available from MS or anyone else now and, b) It won't matter too much if MS pulls the plug on remaining support for WMC, such as the online program guide (indispensable to operation, etc). They already deleted support for Netflix, although I can get to that directly on the web easily enough. If I cannot get the WMC download then I'll just run Win7 as long as I can. Since I use it exclusively for WMC and rarely go to other web sites on it, nor do any e-mail, etc, it's unlikely to be infected with any virus or malware.

Update: I missed opportunity for WMC (Media Pack) for 8.1 since the download link says it's no longer available:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3107057


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KC1BMD on August 19, 2016, 10:01:51 AM

Win10: installed two machines (one upgrade from Win7/Pro64 and one clean install) with latest updates applied. Only problem I have is after some hours IE11 crashes (excessive memory usage) with multiple tabs open in one browsing session (maybe 6 or so). If I catch it early enough I can just close IE and restart and all is OK. Otherwise, PC locks up and I need to hit power switch and reboot. It's annoying and never happened with Win7/Pro64. Anyway, it runs all my previous s/w including (free) HRD v5.

I use Chrome as my default browser. But I can also use Firefox and Edge. My system doesn't even have IE11. A quick look around shows that IE11 is problematic on Windows 10. Is there a reason to stay with IE11? My systems are on all the time, but one of them I do put to sleep every night. But the browser is always running, with lots of tabs, and I have never seen a crash. Have you tried a different browser?

IE11 was included with Win10Pro64 on my machines. Sure, I could try another browser if I get really annoyed :).


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: N8AUC on August 19, 2016, 10:03:25 AM
It's gotten a little quiet.  No one else has the "Anniversary" update?
Or maybe they all got the update, and got their network cards whacked like mine did.


I wonder how the general public will react to MS wanting a monthly fee for the OS in a year or two?  But who knows, maybe that will never happen.  Not to stir the pot or anything...
I refuse to pay someone a monthly fee to operate a computer that I bought, paid for, and own.
If that happens, it will be good bye Microsoft for me.





Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: KX4OM on August 19, 2016, 10:18:44 AM
As to things getting "whacked" by the update, millions of users can't use their aftermarket web cams because of the update. Microsoft decided to drop support for MJPEG and H264, which has made Skype fail on devices that need to use those.

Here is a link to Paul Thurrott's site with an article about it. Thurrott and his associate, Brad Sams were not able to do their web shows. Microsoft apparently is not going to be able to fix the issue until September, after first deciding that they would do nothing.

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/76719/microsoft-broken-millions-webcams-windows-10-anniversary-update

Ted, KX4OM


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: K7MEM on August 19, 2016, 11:20:23 AM
I still use IE 11 with 10. 1607 update kinda buried it from easy access but it is still available. I rarely use Edge as it is still a bit quirky and may not render some sites properly. I use Firefox or Opera and rarely use Chrome. Opera performs well on low resource machines too.

Yea, I found it. It is still there and works, but it isn't linked any where in the Windows Menu. But that's OK. I never use it anyway.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: W8JX on August 19, 2016, 11:25:45 AM
Update: I missed opportunity for free WMC for 8.1 since the download link says it's no longer available:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3107057

The Web is a big place with lots of mirrors and archives. You might be able to find it somewhere.


Title: RE: Lastest Win 10 build Installed
Post by: AC7CW on August 19, 2016, 02:09:37 PM
I had a bad feeling about upgrades but the price was free so eventually I put Win 10 on three laptops designed to work with Win7. I can not get drivers from Lenovo! I can not get audio out of the dock so I like to leave the phones plugged into the dock for easy switching of laptops. I rolled one back to Wn7, installed some drivers and lo, I can't get the driver that allows audio via the dock! I can work around it with a usb adapter I guess... big waste of time essentially. Win 10 isn't more secure without the newer Intel hardware anyhow... Note to self: keep the os the hardware shipped with and once it's working don't fix it...