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Title: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: W4JCK on August 05, 2016, 11:05:01 PM
Way, way back, in the "before time", if you wanted a flashlight, you went to the store (most any kind of store it seemed) and bought a package consisting of a flashlight and 2 "D" batteries.  It was around $1.25 and the flashlight was usually made of light gauge corrugated steel.

You brought it home, unscrewed the end or the head and inserted the 2 D batteries.  And with ONE hand, you picked it up and slid the switch to ON with your thumb.  If it worked, the full intensity of light burst forth.  And still with ONE hand, you slid the switch to OFF with your thumb.  If your flashlight had it, you might test the momentary contact button just forward of the slide switch.

Fast forward to today's LED flashlights.  They all seem to have rubber covered pushbuttons mounted on the end or along the side.  A few are large enough, you can operate them with the flat of your thumb - some require you have enough thumbnail in order to fully press the switch.  I don't much care for the end-mounted switches as many are too small to be operated with the flat of the thumb - requiring me to hold the flashlight in one hand while I try to engage the switch with the other.

But, that's not the worst of it.  Most all (except for a wee few) have multiple "modes".  Great.  Now when I grab the flashlight, I may have to sequence through all these modes just to get to the "high" setting.  Some require an On/Off cycle between each mode, some just require you to keep pressing that annoying pushbutton.  So after 4 to 8 presses, I finally get my high beam.

No, don't get me wrong, I like the light provided by these flashlights.  I liked the light provided by my old Maglite with a Krypton bulb.  It was a two-handed flashlight though and could be aggravating when you needed a quick focused light and replacing bulbs was always a challenge (trying to find one).  No, I don't want to return to the old incandescent flashlights.  I just want a normal-sized flashlight I can grab and operate with one hand and one activation of a easy to use switch.

OK, rant over. 


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: ONAIR on August 06, 2016, 01:38:42 AM
Why not just install a flashlight app on your smartphone?    ::)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: OK4FX on August 06, 2016, 01:58:08 AM
Every current flashlight which isn't totally dumb remembers last mode. So if you want to use maximum light then there is no need for cycling through different levels. But I'm sure you know it. :-)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: N0IU on August 06, 2016, 05:05:20 AM
Way, way back, in the "before time", if you wanted a flashlight, you went to the store (most any kind of store it seemed) and bought a package consisting of a flashlight and 2 "D" batteries.  It was around $1.25 and the flashlight was usually made of light gauge corrugated steel.

Like this one? (https://img0.etsystatic.com/128/1/13044630/il_214x170.988285414_87bs.jpg)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ray-O-Vac-Flashlight-Metal-Magnet-Light-/142075846919?hash=item2114616107:g:UHEAAOSwimdXo8Ui

Yeah, I miss those days too, but for $10 (plus shipping!), I am willing to leave those olden days to distant memories.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: W8JX on August 06, 2016, 05:21:46 AM
Let me see, today's LED flashlights are generally water proof, can be very compact, do not damage bulb when dropped and have vastly superior battery life while also giving off more light too. Do I miss old flash lights? Not one bit.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KJ6ZOL on August 06, 2016, 09:27:17 AM
There ARE simple LED flashlights out there that don't have "modes", that you simply click the button on the end and the light turns on, click again and it's off. Also, there ARE single mode LED flashlights that are more like traditional flashlights. OP must not be looking very hard.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: N0IU on August 06, 2016, 09:28:56 AM
I think he was just waxing nostalgic remembering the goode olde daze.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: DL8OV on August 06, 2016, 09:30:31 AM
You always have the option of ripping out the electronics and substituting your own. A latching switch (push for on and long push for off) can be made using a handful of components.

Peter DL8OV


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: W4JCK on August 06, 2016, 10:09:10 AM
Every current flashlight which isn't totally dumb remembers last mode. So if you want to use maximum light then there is no need for cycling through different levels. But I'm sure you know it. :-)

Interesting, I have 7 or 8 LED lights I've bought over the last few years and not a single one has that feature, nor have I seen it referenced in the description of flashlights I've looked at.  Of course, I'm not looking for a $75- $200 "tactical" flashlight either.  I must be shopping in all the wrong places.  On the other hand, a "smart" flashlight, really?  Can a smart toothpick be far behind?

And I would be very much interested in this long list of easy to operate, single mode LED flashlights referenced by ZOL.  As I said in my post, I've found a few, very few that meet that criteria. I have a couple of Streamlights that are single function, but they have that small end-mounted pushbutton that requires a thumbnail to fully engage - a two-handed operation.

And as I said in my post, I like LED flashlights - when they function as a normal flashlight.  They remind though, of the software bloat of the late 80s to the early 90s.  By the 4 or 5th "upgrade" to a piece of  software, it became more cumbersome, slow and annoying to use, making the original functionality it had almost unrecognizable.

But again I rant.  As I said in my post, I have no longing for the old incandescent lights or their constant need for percussive maintenance as they got older.
And yes, I have one of those little AA metal flashlights in the drawer - it's not a Ray O Vac though.



Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: WW7KE on August 06, 2016, 11:46:18 AM
The "Flashlight Apps" may have spyware installed on them.  One has been caught, but I forgot which one.

If you just want a simple on/off LED flashlight, Walmart has them for $1.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: N6PJB on August 06, 2016, 12:07:38 PM
I really like the Dorcey flashlights. I have been using them for years.

https://smile.amazon.com/Dorcy-41-4304-500-Flashlight-619-lumen/dp/B00IECPYJS/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1470510322&sr=8-14&keywords=Led+flashlight&refinements=p_89%3ADorcy (https://smile.amazon.com/Dorcy-41-4304-500-Flashlight-619-lumen/dp/B00IECPYJS/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1470510322&sr=8-14&keywords=Led+flashlight&refinements=p_89%3ADorcy)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SWMAN on August 06, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
I have been fascinated with flashlights ever since I was a kid. I must have about 25 or so. I have the old bulb type, lanterns and LED type. I have converted some of the older ones to led just by changing the lamps which you can buy. I think my favorite is an old Eveready 3 D cell which has a huge 4 inch head on it, all metal and still works perfect. I bought it about 40 years ago while working as an electrician. If I see something new and cool I usually buy it.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KJ6ZOL on August 06, 2016, 12:35:12 PM
And I would be very much interested in this long list of easy to operate, single mode LED flashlights referenced by ZOL.  As I said in my post, I've found a few, very few that meet that criteria. I have a couple of Streamlights that are single function, but they have that small end-mounted pushbutton that requires a thumbnail to fully engage - a two-handed operation.

And as I said in my post, I like LED flashlights - when they function as a normal flashlight.  They remind though, of the software bloat of the late 80s to the early 90s.  By the 4 or 5th "upgrade" to a piece of  software, it became more cumbersome, slow and annoying to use, making the original functionality it had almost unrecognizable.

I have a little single LED flashlight that runs on one AAA battery, it has a raised pushbutton on the end that you can click on with your full thumb instead of needing the end of the thumbnail. It is labeled "Coast", but I think that it's really made by Cree. Also, there is a company called Rhino that makes small LED lights, including a very nice keychain light that won't click on and stay on while in your pocket, I had at least one light burn out due to this. You might look at the website of Fry's Electronics, frys.com , which is where I got most of my flashlights from.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: N4UE on August 06, 2016, 12:59:10 PM
JTK, I LOVE the term 'percussive' maintenance! ha ha

About 10 years or so ago, My XYL and I were driving to a fri nite street rod meet. I had the lower hose come off.
A very nice (Lexington, Ky) police officer pulled up behind me to help. Since it was dark, I couldn't see the hose clamp. I asked him to borrow his flashlite. It 'looked' like a 5 D cell Maglite. I was surprised that it was a very flimsy rubber POS.

I asked him what's up with this. He told me that the dept made them use these, because the Maglites had been used in the past as a 'club'.

Now, he might have been just BSing me, but I'll NEVER forget it! ha ha

ron
N4UE


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: DRBEN on August 06, 2016, 01:17:02 PM
Way, way back, in the "before time", if you wanted a flashlight, you went to the store (most any kind of store it seemed) and bought a package consisting of a flashlight and 2 "D" batteries.  It was around $1.25 and the flashlight was usually made of light gauge corrugated steel.

Finding flashlights is like finding elusive DX; you have to know where to look. In your case, Home Depot is your friend.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Dorcy-Deluxe-High-Impact-Resin-LED-Flashlight-Red-41-2460/204305336

Long-life LED bulb, classic shape, sliding switch, 2 D cells included, for the modest price of only $6.99.

Taking inflation into account, that's probably less than you paid back in the day.

"Nothing is more responsible for the good old days than a bad memory."




Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SOFAR on August 06, 2016, 01:35:43 PM
JTK, I LOVE the term 'percussive' maintenance! ha ha

About 10 years or so ago, My XYL and I were driving to a fri nite street rod meet. I had the lower hose come off.
A very nice (Lexington, Ky) police officer pulled up behind me to help. Since it was dark, I couldn't see the hose clamp. I asked him to borrow his flashlite. It 'looked' like a 5 D cell Maglite. I was surprised that it was a very flimsy rubber POS.

I asked him what's up with this. He told me that the dept made them use these, because the Maglites had been used in the past as a 'club'.

Now, he might have been just BSing me, but I'll NEVER forget it! ha ha

ron
N4UE

Chicago officers are no longer allowed to carry Maglites. They were being used as clubs. The city was paying substantial settlements to disfigured individuals.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SOFAR on August 06, 2016, 01:45:23 PM
I say adapt and overcome.

Focus on your search instead of dwelling on rusty tin flashlights. Home Depot is a good place to start.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: WA8ZTZ on August 06, 2016, 03:13:05 PM
Recently picked up an angle head plastic TL-122 flashlight (new) at the local Army-Navy surplus store for about 5 bucks.  Takes 2 D cells and has a slide switch (with pushbutton) so one-hand operation is no problem.  If you want LED, get a drop in replacement LED bulb.
 


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: K0OD on August 06, 2016, 03:33:14 PM
The newest LED flashlights are better in every way. There's no need to cycle thru the various modes; the first mode is always the brightest because the main need of a cop or watchman may be to blind an attacker. Subsequent clicks on the button reduce the brilliance, go to colors or strobe.

BTW, some have a mode that flashes SOS.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: K0OD on August 06, 2016, 04:10:07 PM
(https://img0.etsystatic.com/128/1/13044630/il_214x170.988285414_87bs.jpg)

The light output of those old flashlights was about 20 lumens versus 100-500 for modern flashlights that are smaller, more reliable, have several modes and are less heavy.

They are so popular that there are several discussion groups devoted to flashlights. For example:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/content.php


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: K0OD on August 06, 2016, 04:29:04 PM
I paid about $39.99 at Walmart last year for this Coast HP7. Its 360 lumens will throw a strong beam way beyond our 1-acre yard. RadioShack was liquidating some Coast lights at >50% off at the end of their bankruptcy, and I bought two of them for like $15 ea. They were somewhat bigger, useful as clubs for defense or to break car windows.
(https://coastportland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/coast_hp7_master.png)
Coast is one of many good brands. Some, designed for military or law enforcement, can cost more than $200. https://coastportland.com/product/hp7/


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SWMAN on August 06, 2016, 05:06:40 PM
Besides HomeDepot, Ace Hardware and Academy have some good flashlights. Walmart has a few good ones also.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: VE1IDX on August 06, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
If you liked the Maglite but do not want incandescent bulbs anymore why not get a new Maglite with the LED bulb? Very nice light output, much easier on batteries, and functions just like the old Maglites.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: K0OD on August 06, 2016, 05:49:24 PM
From what I've read on various online flashlight groups, Maglites have lost much of their market share in the past few years.   


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KC2MMI on August 06, 2016, 06:07:00 PM
The classic the OP was thinking of was probably the Eveready and until the switch contacts start to get dirty they're great.

Maglite still makes a 2D flashlight with simple on/off button. Press down to turn on, press a little harder and it clicks to stay on. Much better quality switch assembly and outstanding warranty support. Should be available with varying LED bulbs for something like $20 online or at WalMart.

And yes, I'm pretty sure that's inflation-adjusted-cheaper than the old $1.25 ones were. Certainly built better.

The 3D-cell models are more common, but the 2D is still available. And it will cost less than I'd sell my old Eveready one for.(G)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: AA4HA on August 06, 2016, 07:12:05 PM
This is about as simple as it gets;


https://www.hobbymods.com/Ultra%20Lite%209%20volt%20bright%20led%20cap%20flash%20light.htm


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KD2AJN on August 06, 2016, 07:53:09 PM
Every current flashlight which isn't totally dumb remembers last mode. So if you want to use maximum light then there is no need for cycling through different levels. But I'm sure you know it. :-)

Interesting, I have 7 or 8 LED lights I've bought over the last few years and not a single one has that feature, nor have I seen it referenced in the description of flashlights I've looked at.  Of course, I'm not looking for a $75- $200 "tactical" flashlight either.  I must be shopping in all the wrong places.  On the other hand, a "smart" flashlight, really?  Can a smart toothpick be far behind?



Smart Toothpick:
https://www.smarttoothpicks.com/ (https://www.smarttoothpicks.com/)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: WD4CHP on August 07, 2016, 09:20:33 AM
Why not just install a flashlight app on your smartphone?    ::)

My iPhone already has that.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: ONAIR on August 07, 2016, 10:14:51 AM
New "tactical" flashlights are on the horizon, powerful enough to temporarily blind "attackers" even in broad daylight!  They won't be cheap however.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: W4JCK on August 07, 2016, 10:34:30 AM
Every current flashlight which isn't totally dumb remembers last mode. So if you want to use maximum light then there is no need for cycling through different levels. But I'm sure you know it. :-)

Interesting, I have 7 or 8 LED lights I've bought over the last few years and not a single one has that feature, nor have I seen it referenced in the description of flashlights I've looked at.  Of course, I'm not looking for a $75- $200 "tactical" flashlight either.  I must be shopping in all the wrong places.  On the other hand, a "smart" flashlight, really?  Can a smart toothpick be far behind?



Smart Toothpick:
https://www.smarttoothpicks.com/ (https://www.smarttoothpicks.com/)

Excellent!  I was concerned about clicking on the link - thinking somebody had actually crammed an embedded microcontroller, LDO buck/boost regulator and batteries into a toothpick.

As far as Home Depot goes, I'm apparently missing out on the mother lode.  I don't go there anymore for a variety of reasons.  The Walmart is not "on the way" to anywhere we go, so I guess I've missed out there too.

I have been to a couple of Lowes, a couple of ACE stores, Target, several drugstores and grocery stores, Dick's Sporting Goods and one of those "Batteries" franchise stores with no success.  It's possible they carry what I was looking for but none were in stock on the days I was there.

I then went to Amazon and after perusing 75 or so models to no avail, I decided to go to the battery sites.  The Eveready light met the functionality reqs, but the output was disappointing.  I did find one at the Energizer site - single function, side switch and using 2 D batteries for a little heft.  Light output isn't great, but better than an incandescent.

But as I noted in my first post, in the past (I know), you could get a flashlight most anywhere that was simple to use, had a little size and weight so you could handle it, balance it on something, etc.  Again, it's all about what you grew up with.

For you smartphone app guys, the next time I go under the house or need to balance a light on my engine block, can I borrow your iphone or S6/7?  ;)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: AC7CW on August 07, 2016, 02:02:57 PM
This one is very bright, runs from three AAA's very nicely, remembers the last mode, costs $10 or so. The button is convenient enough if you hold it like cops to and operate it with the switch but no momentary position [I hadn't thought of that until reading this thread, might look for it next time] https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R5VM3FM/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Aside: anybody that is using D, AA, AAA, 9 volt etc. batteries can save a heap of $ with eneloop type rechargeable batteries. Biggest problem is when roommate says "I need a battery for... " and I give them a rechargeable. I tell them to get it back to me but they seem to be like books; nobody returns them... I think they toss them same as they are used to...


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KC8KTN on August 09, 2016, 09:11:27 AM
Nebo redline select... Is a great flashlight I carry this everyday.. Now everybody can quit crying..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL5on5XlxiI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QblkQ-J6zio


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SHORTWIRE on August 09, 2016, 06:29:10 PM
But, that's not the worst of it.  Most all (except for a wee few) have multiple "modes".  Great.  Now when I grab the flashlight, I may have to sequence through all these modes just to get to the "high" setting.  Some require an On/Off cycle between each mode, some just require you to keep pressing that annoying pushbutton.  So after 4 to 8 presses, I finally get my high beam.

No, don't get me wrong, I like the light provided by these flashlights.  I liked the light provided by my old Maglite with a Krypton bulb.  It was a two-handed flashlight though and could be aggravating when you needed a quick focused light and replacing bulbs was always a challenge (trying to find one).  No, I don't want to return to the old incandescent flashlights.  I just want a normal-sized flashlight I can grab and operate with one hand and one activation of a easy to use switch.

Agree!

I have got some small led flashlights with 3 led, two AA cells gives not A LOT, but THE RIGHT amount of light to see with, just enough to see what you are doing, without completely clobbering your night vision.
The batteries last quite a long time.

I'm not parting with those…  ;)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KC8KTN on August 09, 2016, 10:31:37 PM
wow.  Flashlights on a ham radio site.. Wow.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SWMAN on August 10, 2016, 08:59:51 AM
KTN, Why not, flashlights are part of the radio/light spectrum. Otherwise known as the Electromagnetic Spectrum.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: N0YXB on August 10, 2016, 01:11:55 PM
KTN, But flashlights are part of the radio/light spectrum. Otherwise known as the Electromagnetic Spectrum.

Indeed, and it is called the "Misc" forum.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: AC7CW on August 10, 2016, 03:43:32 PM
wow.  Flashlights on a ham radio site.. Wow.

They do CW, not in the daytime so much but when it's dark...


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KD0REQ on August 10, 2016, 07:59:30 PM
pshaw, you young fellas, when my candle burns out I light my finger and the dripped wax goes for another hour. no batteries. heh, in my day, had to make my own battery acid.....


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: AB3LW on August 10, 2016, 08:01:55 PM
the only flashlight i need is my 3D cell maglight, it does double duty as a defensive weapon!

i dont like led light ( i find it irritating! ) but if i wanted to, theres an led upgrade available for it.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SOFAR on August 10, 2016, 09:02:02 PM
the only flashlight i need is my 3D cell maglight, it does double duty as a defensive weapon!

i dont like led light ( i find it irritating! ) but if i wanted to, theres an led upgrade available for it.

Do you know a reputable company that supplies the LED upgrade?

I've seen kits for $15, I would be more likely to just buy another Maglite if I decide to go LED.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: AB3LW on August 10, 2016, 09:10:33 PM
home depot has them for 8.97 usd. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Nite-Ize-C-D-Cell-LED-Flashlight-Upgrade-Kit-LRB2-07-PR/204787538?keyword=maglite+led+upgrade

the same bulb is used for 2 - 6 cell flashlights? thats different!

8.97 is still too much, should be 5 or less imo.

a new concern i have: are led bulbs prone to emp? they are a solid state device.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SOFAR on August 10, 2016, 09:23:39 PM
Thanks!

Yeah.. I'd be better off keeping this one the way it is.
Just pick up another, if I like the LED.
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Maglite-3D-LED-Flashlight-with-Batteries-in-Black-ST3DDX6/203840391 (http://m.homedepot.com/p/Maglite-3D-LED-Flashlight-with-Batteries-in-Black-ST3DDX6/203840391)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KC8KTN on August 10, 2016, 09:27:19 PM
 Wow.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: AB3LW on August 10, 2016, 09:31:40 PM
i googled my question and there are many pages of stuff saying that they are very prone to emp and so are laser sights!

if you go led, keep a spare krypton bulb around!

in fact ive decided to order a quanity of the old bulbs and upgrading to the 6 cell maglite!


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SOFAR on August 11, 2016, 06:13:01 AM
I'm gonna try a Xenon incandescent upgrade. Candlepowerforums gave good reviews. Worth a try for $4. Some of the other incandescent upgrades require a aluminum reflector, glass lens.
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Maglite-Mag-Num-Star-II-Xenon-Replacement-Lamp-for-3-Cell-C-and-D-Flashlights-LMA301/100384229 (http://m.homedepot.com/p/Maglite-Mag-Num-Star-II-Xenon-Replacement-Lamp-for-3-Cell-C-and-D-Flashlights-LMA301/100384229)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KC8KTN on August 11, 2016, 07:30:03 AM
OK now spend the money... . Wow


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: K6LCS on August 11, 2016, 08:19:02 AM
MagLite still has your answer: their newest 2-C-cell LED unit.



Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KC2QYM on August 11, 2016, 09:25:25 AM
I wouldn't buy a mag-lite product if you paid me to take it.  Had two of them become absolutely useless.  The batteries leaked and completely sealed the access cap from the inside.  There was nothing I could do to open the caps.  I called the company and they flat out told me that the problem was not theirs but the battery manufacturer even though the batteries were the originals supplied by mag-lite.  I suggested that I would send them the two flashlights and that all I wanted was one new one in return.  They flat out refused and offered no solution other than deal with the battery manufacturer.   Their customer service was horrible because their arrogant attitude underscored what must be a deficient business acumen.  Maybe it was the wrong person in the customer service seat but it was enough to form my opinion.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: N0YXB on August 11, 2016, 10:16:26 AM
Interesting. My Maglites are tanks that haven't given me any problems for many years. And I also recommend the LED upgrade for older units.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KM4OBL on August 11, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
And I would be very much interested in this long list of easy to operate, single mode LED flashlights referenced by ZOL.  As I said in my post, I've found a few, very few that meet that criteria. I have a couple of Streamlights that are single function, but they have that small end-mounted pushbutton that requires a thumbnail to fully engage - a two-handed operation.

And as I said in my post, I like LED flashlights - when they function as a normal flashlight.  They remind though, of the software bloat of the late 80s to the early 90s.  By the 4 or 5th "upgrade" to a piece of  software, it became more cumbersome, slow and annoying to use, making the original functionality it had almost unrecognizable.

I have a little single LED flashlight that runs on one AAA battery, it has a raised pushbutton on the end that you can click on with your full thumb instead of needing the end of the thumbnail. It is labeled "Coast", but I think that it's really made by Cree. Also, there is a company called Rhino that makes small LED lights, including a very nice keychain light that won't click on and stay on while in your pocket, I had at least one light burn out due to this. You might look at the website of Fry's Electronics, frys.com , which is where I got most of my flashlights from.

Cree makes the LED - not the flashlight.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SOFAR on August 11, 2016, 01:01:05 PM
Interesting. My Maglites are tanks that haven't given me any problems for many years. And I also recommend the LED upgrade for older units.

Yeah.. I've never had a battery leak, keep a 3-D cell Maglite in my car year round. Temperatures can range from -15°F to 100°F. Also have a AA MiniMag that I bought in 1995, nice worn look to it.

Work as they should.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KA0SBL on August 11, 2016, 03:54:20 PM
Interesting. My Maglites are tanks that haven't given me any problems for many years. And I also recommend the LED upgrade for older units.

I've had a 3D, 4D and 6D for years. Any recommends on specific brands, models and vendors for LED upgrades?


-K


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KC8KTN on August 12, 2016, 06:54:20 AM
It is a flashlight.. Not the end of the world . Making it way to hard....

https://www.nebotools.com/


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: N0YXB on August 12, 2016, 02:54:53 PM
Interesting. My Maglites are tanks that haven't given me any problems for many years. And I also recommend the LED upgrade for older units.

I've had a 3D, 4D and 6D for years. Any recommends on specific brands, models and vendors for LED upgrades?

-K
I got a Nite Ize conversion kit from at Home Depot a couple of years back for less than 10 bucks. You can find them on Amazon too.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KD6VXI on August 12, 2016, 06:56:04 PM
Man,  4 pages.

I went on eBay.   Typed in Maglite led replacement.

Take your pic.

And batteries leaked in a flashlight,  and you want the flashlight mfg to replace your light?   Not sure how that works.   You expect your refrigerator mfg to replace food that rots because it sat too long?

I totally see MAG industries point of view.   Had it happen to mine before.   I replaced it.   No biggie.

--Shane
KD6VXI


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SOFAR on August 16, 2016, 03:11:00 AM
Interesting. My Maglites are tanks that haven't given me any problems for many years. And I also recommend the LED upgrade for older units.

I've had a 3D, 4D and 6D for years. Any recommends on specific brands, models and vendors for LED upgrades?


-K

If you're interested in doing more than a cheap upgrade, there are glass lenses with anti-reflective coating, drop-in LEDs with regulated drivers and heat sinks.

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/search?q=d+cell+maglite+ (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/search?q=d+cell+maglite+)


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: K1DA on August 16, 2016, 10:05:12 AM
A two AA cell Mag light with a Cree replacement bulb is very bright and easy on batteries.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KA0SBL on August 16, 2016, 04:30:09 PM
Interesting. My Maglites are tanks that haven't given me any problems for many years. And I also recommend the LED upgrade for older units.

I've had a 3D, 4D and 6D for years. Any recommends on specific brands, models and vendors for LED upgrades?


-K

If you're interested in doing more than a cheap upgrade, there are glass lenses with anti-reflective coating, drop-in LEDs with regulated drivers and heat sinks.

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/search?q=d+cell+maglite+ (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/search?q=d+cell+maglite+)


Thanks, Some nice looking upgrades on that site, will BM for future reference. Maglite has a 3D LED unit, the model ML300L and claims 650 lumens for ~$35. It also has high/medium/low settings. To me that seems like the better investment, unless there's something about those new maglites I don't know.

For $15 or less to update the old units to something a little brighter and easier on batteries seems worth it, like the Nite Ize that N0YXB uses.

I like the 4D or 6D for walking the dog after dark, we have coyotes & javelina here and some people in our neighborhood have had bad encounters. Seems to happen when people walk through brushy areas without a light and startle them. Comes down to situational awareness and carry a skull checker.   ;D


-K


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: AC6CV on August 17, 2016, 07:49:13 AM
If you are looking for a quality flashlight you may check out your local police uniform store. Using a flashlight 8 hours a day every day requires a flashlight that is easy on batteries and a flashlight that will hold up under heavy use. Mag Light makes a pretty good flashlight. Yes, in the old days they were called electric saps. ;D


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SWMAN on August 23, 2016, 03:28:58 AM
 I just bought another new flashlight at Ace Hardware. It is probably the brightest light I have so far. It is made by Slyde and the model is the NEBO. It can be used for one hand operation on and off. It cost 29 dollars. Google it and read about. Really cool light.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KB2FCV on August 23, 2016, 06:24:03 AM
On our volunteer fire dept we use these two LED flashlights. They take a lot of abuse:

http://www.streamlight.com/en-us/product/product.html?pid=309

http://www.streamlight.com/static/document/data_sheet/FireVulcanLEDDataSheet.pdf

All incandescent, etc flashlights have been retired.

Edit: I see now the Liteboxes are also LED.. we had the incandescent version of those that were replaced by the Vulcan model.

Streamlight makes some nice stuff.



Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SOFAR on August 09, 2018, 10:43:56 AM
Interesting. My Maglites are tanks that haven't given me any problems for many years. And I also recommend the LED upgrade for older units.

I've had a 3D, 4D and 6D for years. Any recommends on specific brands, models and vendors for LED upgrades?


-K

If you're interested in doing more than a cheap upgrade, there are glass lenses with anti-reflective coating, drop-in LEDs with regulated drivers and heat sinks.

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/search?q=d+cell+maglite+ (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/search?q=d+cell+maglite+)


Thanks, Some nice looking upgrades on that site, will BM for future reference. Maglite has a 3D LED unit, the model ML300L and claims 650 lumens for ~$35. It also has high/medium/low settings. To me that seems like the better investment, unless there's something about those new maglites I don't know.

For $15 or less to update the old units to something a little brighter and easier on batteries seems worth it, like the Nite Ize that N0YXB uses.

I like the 4D or 6D for walking the dog after dark, we have coyotes & javelina here and some people in our neighborhood have had bad encounters. Seems to happen when people walk through brushy areas without a light and startle them. Comes down to situational awareness and carry a skull checker.   ;D


-K


Just picked up a Maglite ML300L 3rd Gen.
2D puts out 524 lumens, 3D puts out about 100 more.

Think you are correct, with the features/settings, and output, its a better investment.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: K0RS on August 09, 2018, 11:18:30 AM
This is a thread?  With 5 pages?

Guess it keeps you guys off the streets.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: DL8OV on August 09, 2018, 11:56:07 AM
There are Yahoo groups for this, not flashlight owners in general but owners of a particular brand or model. They sit there for hours discussing how their favorite light source would be used or held. How do I know this? Someone I know was looking for a particular flashlight and he stumbled on the group.

Me? I have a Grundig LED flashlight that my YL picked up as a promo item from work, it turns on and turns off which is all I need.

Peter DL8OV


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: WZ7U on August 09, 2018, 12:24:26 PM
This is a thread?  With 5 pages?

Guess it keeps you guys off the streets.
It is eHam....


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: K6CPO on August 09, 2018, 12:27:21 PM
Way, way back, in the "before time", if you wanted a flashlight, you went to the store (most any kind of store it seemed) and bought a package consisting of a flashlight and 2 "D" batteries.  It was around $1.25 and the flashlight was usually made of light gauge corrugated steel.

You brought it home, unscrewed the end or the head and inserted the 2 D batteries.  And with ONE hand, you picked it up and slid the switch to ON with your thumb.  If it worked, the full intensity of light burst forth.  And still with ONE hand, you slid the switch to OFF with your thumb.  If your flashlight had it, you might test the momentary contact button just forward of the slide switch.

Fast forward to today's LED flashlights.  They all seem to have rubber covered pushbuttons mounted on the end or along the side.  A few are large enough, you can operate them with the flat of your thumb - some require you have enough thumbnail in order to fully press the switch.  I don't much care for the end-mounted switches as many are too small to be operated with the flat of the thumb - requiring me to hold the flashlight in one hand while I try to engage the switch with the other.

But, that's not the worst of it.  Most all (except for a wee few) have multiple "modes".  Great.  Now when I grab the flashlight, I may have to sequence through all these modes just to get to the "high" setting.  Some require an On/Off cycle between each mode, some just require you to keep pressing that annoying pushbutton.  So after 4 to 8 presses, I finally get my high beam.

No, don't get me wrong, I like the light provided by these flashlights.  I liked the light provided by my old Maglite with a Krypton bulb.  It was a two-handed flashlight though and could be aggravating when you needed a quick focused light and replacing bulbs was always a challenge (trying to find one).  No, I don't want to return to the old incandescent flashlights.  I just want a normal-sized flashlight I can grab and operate with one hand and one activation of a easy to use switch.

OK, rant over. 


Now you're bitching about flashlights?  Slow day over in the no-code Extra thread?


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: SOFAR on August 09, 2018, 12:41:59 PM
This is a thread?  With 5 pages?

Guess it keeps you guys off the streets.
It is eHam....

Was a quality thread. Another good thread was the one about physical fitness/diet.

A lot of 'should I buy this radio', and 'I can't program my D-Star' threads lately.


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: KC8KTN on August 09, 2018, 04:25:42 PM
How is this about ham radio. Wow if it was a handheld with a flashlight then it would be all right. Or a flashlight on a ham billboard or a flashlight with billboard winter glue on the handle. Lets try and be more professional. Jeeezz.
Everyone be safe . Enjoy Life. Stay positive.73s


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: WZ7U on August 09, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
Doesn't your Baofeng have a flashlight?


Title: RE: A simple LED flashlight? (rant)
Post by: LYFAN on August 10, 2018, 04:32:36 PM
Doesn't your Baofeng have a flashlight?
ROFL. What is it about Chinese products and flashlights and "sirens" ?  Did someone there confuse the toy market and the radio market? Or do they also make chopsticks with a built-in LED illuminator, just in case you need light while you are eating, too? One chopstick has siren, other has light?