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Title: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KO4JY on August 21, 2016, 11:22:23 AM
Here are some screen captures from the trailer.

(http://pics.kmahler.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7248&g2_serialNumber=2)

(http://pics.kmahler.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7251&g2_serialNumber=2)

(http://pics.kmahler.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7254&g2_serialNumber=2)


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC5UP on August 21, 2016, 12:43:00 PM
Let's do the easy part first... The mic is a noise canceling Shure 522.  Used in gazillions of retail stores to page for a clean-up in aisle three.

As for the "radio" I saved the middle pic to disk then ran it through Gimp to diddle the contrast.  Not much help, but the dial scale has a clear mark of 1.0 / .01 / .001 NNW of the tuning knob.  To the SW of the tuning knob is a selectivity switch ranging from 2.0 KC through 20 KC with an XTAL position.  Considering the small CRT on the right this would suggest it's a selective voltmeter or Panadapter / Spectrum Scope-like piece of test gear.  This works fine until you notice the three toggle switches on the right marked LOW PASS, LIMITER, and SEND / REC.  Below that is a BFO pitch knob.  A selective voltmeter is cool with all of this except the SEND / REC switch.  Which takes me back to the concept of a spectrum display ( ? )  and tempts me to type some variation of the phrase:  " Time Domain Reflectometer ".  That's a total WAG, and I'm also tempted to wonder if it's something like an old-school antenna impedance analyzer using a noise bridge & receiver.  My mind wonders and wanders...........

Spectrum displays are typically much simpler devices tuned to the 1st IF and wouldn't need a variety of selectivity switch settings since 'wide' gives you the best look up & down band.

The tubes look vaguely European but that doesn't mean much, as a pantload of 60's vintage US made Hi-Fi gear shipped with Mullard and Telefunken glass in the sockets...  It's a marketing thing.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KJ6ZOL on August 21, 2016, 01:08:53 PM
The "radio" has Collins-style knobs. I know they're Collins knobs because I bought a civilian BCB tube radio about 8 months ago that I ultimately flipped, and it had the same style of knobs. The knobs didn't fit the radio, of course, so I poked around and finally discovered that one knob was an authentic Collins knob and the other one a third party Collins knockoff knob. I tossed them and got better knobs off ebay. Anyway, I'm thinking that the Frequency rig is some sort of Collins-made testing rig, such as a RF generator. The pix also show a oscilloscope-like screen. I'll go with a RF generator or spectrum analyzer. I seem to remember seeing a pic from Frequency which I thought showed a Heathkit Tribes rig. Maybe that was from the movie and not the show.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC5UP on August 21, 2016, 02:03:16 PM
And, as the stereotype demands, the producers assume the rig is plausible as amateur radio gear because of the tubes..............   ::)

Click this URL for a different view  http://i0.wp.com/bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ77131D6E.jpg  (the pic is large enough to hose the margins of this thread) and note the abundance of cables attached to the rear apron.  For a TV show those cables could be more style than function but suggest the box isn't a transceiver.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: N8CBX on August 21, 2016, 02:15:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL8Rl2n2C6Y
Why can't Hollywood make something enjoyable and not some weirdo movie? This is weird.
Jan N8CBX


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KD0REQ on August 21, 2016, 02:38:46 PM
plain old Daka-Ware knobs.  perhaps it's a FrankenBox from the prop department, after three trips to the dusty back of some surplus stores near the bathroom.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KO4JY on August 21, 2016, 02:58:39 PM
Yeah, I'm beginning to think it's a Frankenbox. Which is just stupid. They could have picked up an old rig and made this more interesting. I agree the concept is pretty off but, it was mildly successful as a movie plot at $30ish million box office profits.

I would be a fan of Last Man Standing even without the Ham Station in the plot but, it does make it more interesting to me and I look forward to working the station and getting one of the special QSL cards from the set.

Kevin


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: W1NK on August 21, 2016, 03:00:30 PM
At 3:00-3:01 in the clip Jan posted, there is a shot of the lower left corner with logo.  Sorry to say, I can't make out what it says....

Frank, W1NK


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KO4JY on August 21, 2016, 03:13:44 PM
Good catch. Unfortunately, it's too fuzzy to read. Does anyone recognize the shape? I also captured a better front view.

(http://pics.kmahler.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7255&g2_serialNumber=1)

(http://pics.kmahler.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7259&g2_serialNumber=2)

The tubes have a strange color glow to them and they are clearly lit from below.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KO4JY on August 21, 2016, 03:15:40 PM
For a TV show those cables could be more style than function but suggest the box isn't a transceiver.

I'm sure one of those cables is a CAT control cable.  ;D


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC5UP on August 21, 2016, 04:16:08 PM
Good catch. Unfortunately, it's too fuzzy to read. Does anyone recognize the shape?

(http://pics.kmahler.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7255&g2_serialNumber=1)

I ran the logo through a resolution enhancement app and this is what came back...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/RCA_Indian_Head_test_pattern.JPG/312px-RCA_Indian_Head_test_pattern.JPG)

No wonder they chose that radio for a TV show!   ;D


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC2EU on August 21, 2016, 04:25:42 PM
I watched the preview clip. That show is going to SUCK. 
Any bets on how many episodes will air before cancellation ?
I'll give it 6.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KJ6ZOL on August 21, 2016, 05:29:55 PM
I watched the preview clip. That show is going to SUCK. 
Any bets on how many episodes will air before cancellation ?
I'll give it 6.

OTA broadcast TV shows nowadays can get axed after just two or three episodes, the days of airing 10 episodes out of 14 in a desperate attempt to recoup the money spent are gone. Nowadays, Hollywood bigwigs will get a movie made, then only AFTER it's in the can and the money is gone will they realize that the whole thing is a steaming pile of hyena crud, and then they will simply shelve it. That NEVER happened 30 years ago. Even worse, the studios dredge up concepts from the 80s and 90s and remake them, presumably thinking that since people liked it 20 years ago they will like it today. Almost without fail, the remake bombs. The original Frequency movie was awful, and it looks like this remake is even worse. It fits a pattern of bad movies being remade as even worse ones. The only exception is the Battlestar Galactica retread a decade ago, whoever realized that they could turn it into an allegory about the war on terror was unusually smart by the standards of modern Hollywood.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KJ6ZOL on August 21, 2016, 05:41:13 PM
Yeah, I'm beginning to think it's a Frankenbox. Which is just stupid. They could have picked up an old rig and made this more interesting. I agree the concept is pretty off but, it was mildly successful as a movie plot at $30ish million box office profits.

I would be a fan of Last Man Standing even without the Ham Station in the plot but, it does make it more interesting to me and I look forward to working the station and getting one of the special QSL cards from the set.

Kevin

Yeah, it's a frankenbox prop radio, made from a grab bag of old parts from god knows where. That "logo" looks like a cheap knockoff of the Collins logo of the 50s and 60s. I'm not sure why they just didn't grab an old tube transceiver off Ebay, QRZ or QTH swap, or even Los Angeles Craigslist. Apparently the original movie at least used a real Heathkit. The pix in the OP look like part of the plot is that the protagonist puts together a rig on her (yep, a young, hot, female cop who knows electronics  ::) ::) ) workbench that can talk to hams from the past. That's even dumber than the original movie, where a cop fires up his dad's Heathkit and talks to Dad the night before he's due to be shot and killed.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AA4HA on August 21, 2016, 06:39:29 PM
Oh, the one that got me perturbed was the Netflix series "Stranger Things". It is good horror/sci-fi and definitely on my list to watch again if they do more seasons.

It was just the middle school science teacher who also runs the AV club, setting up a Heathkit in the AV room and just letting the kids "have at it" any time they want, and without licenses.

But still, if you like science fiction it is a neat series.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: N3QE on August 22, 2016, 04:09:21 AM
As far as manufactured props go, that one from "Frequency" looks neat-o.

There was a stretch from the 1950's through the 1990's where TV shows and movies would go to one of the many "real" electronic/avaiation surplus stores around LA and buy real equipment to use as props.

Now the only one left is Apex Electronics. While they do very much emphasize the rental prop side of their business, as far as I can tell they don't really have anything that looks like a "classic ham radio" anymore. So I guess studios have to roll their own.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC2EU on August 22, 2016, 06:22:56 AM
As far as manufactured props go, that one from "Frequency" looks neat-o.

There was a stretch from the 1950's through the 1990's where TV shows and movies would go to one of the many "real" electronic/avaiation surplus stores around LA and buy real equipment to use as props.

Now the only one left is Apex Electronics. While they do very much emphasize the rental prop side of their business, as far as I can tell they don't really have anything that looks like a "classic ham radio" anymore. So I guess studios have to roll their own.

You would think that they might as least google "ham radio" to see what a real boat anchor  radio looks like or acquire one. Lots to choose from on Ebay!

The show looks like another writers labyrinth like  "Lost". I suspected that those people were all dead by the 5th episode, but they would throw clues in that implied there was something else going on. In the end, it was all about nothing! Never again will I waste my time watching stuff like that!!


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: K5WLR on August 22, 2016, 06:39:31 AM
What was interesting about the rig in the Frequency movie... while it was purported to be a transceiver, it actually was a receiver....  ???

Will Rogers
K5WLR


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KC2QYM on August 23, 2016, 07:23:35 AM
Lets look at this realistically...These programs are all fiction so just an obscure shadow of reality is required for a general audience.  It's so funny to read hams piping in to nit-pick specifics over the use of ham radio as a simple prop thrown into a fictitious production.  I guess it's just geek/nerd retentiveness... ::)


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: K5WLR on August 23, 2016, 11:05:33 AM
Lets look at this realistically...These programs are all fiction so just an obscure shadow of reality is required for a general audience.  It's so funny to read hams piping in to nit-pick specifics over the use of ham radio as a simple prop thrown into a fictitious production.  I guess it's just geek/nerd retentiveness... ::)

The thing is it would not take much effort to make the amateur radio scenes in a movie or TV show truly realistic. A good example would be Last Man Standing. That shack is to die for. Really neat stuff!

One scene that really stands out as inaccurate is in the 4th of July, where the communications personnel are sending out the message about how to terminate the alien spacecrafts. Five minutes of operating that setup would cause my arm to fall off from fatigue. Maybe it looked good for the camera, but WOW!  ::)

Back to the subject at hand...  ;D

73

Will Rogers
K5WLR


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: WA2CWA on August 23, 2016, 11:11:58 AM
On the upper dial is printed a number of U. S. cities. In the upper right corner of the dial and above the city names, it says Japan.

Like lots of things in TV shows, it's a cobbled-up prop, so what's the difference; it's not a historical documentary TV show.

Pete, wa2cwa


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KD8IIC on August 23, 2016, 07:10:25 PM

  Television is a huge waste of time.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: SOFAR on August 24, 2016, 12:39:16 AM

  Television is a huge waste of time.

Got rid of TV 5 years ago. Nothing but a distant memory of blaring noise.



Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KD8IIC on August 24, 2016, 03:24:02 AM

  My Congratulations!
  We dumped ours when we were raising our children.
  It's amazing how de-sensitized we get from viewing violence from either play acting or on the "news".


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AA4HA on August 24, 2016, 03:31:27 AM
After lightning zapped the television again I have not replaced it. Other than when I am in a hotel room while on a business trip I do not watch... Even then, I will have it on for noise or a momentary distraction but I usually read a book on my tablet computer. There are a few shows I watch on Netflix (Stranger Things is a great series).


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KC2QYM on August 24, 2016, 05:16:35 AM
Now that we're diverted to TV...I too disconnected cable after my CRT based TV bit the dust.  In reality, I should have cut the cable years earlier.  Why pay them for all the advertising they push into your head?

Now back to realistic depictions of ham radio in the movies and TV...Remember the 'Frequency' movie? Well there was a thread going around eham about how realistic the depiction and use of the radio was in the film.  That it was too lit up, or not sure if it was just a receiver with a microphone plugged into the phone jack to make it look like a transceiver, and on and on debating. 

Well...Dahhhhhh...after all the geek/nerd hams went back and forth debating the accuracy of the radio's depiction,  did anyone even think that temporal RF propagation distortions (the ability to generate signals back or forward in time) weren't active during the time period that the movie was supposed to represent????  How could that inaccuracy have passed the geek/nerd hams minds during the debate.

How ludicrous some are...


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC2EU on August 24, 2016, 06:50:43 AM
Now that we're diverted to TV...I too disconnected cable after my CRT based TV bit the dust.  In reality, I should have cut the cable years earlier.  Why pay them for all the advertising they push into your head?

Now back to realistic depictions of ham radio in the movies and TV...Remember the 'Frequency' movie? Well there was a thread going around eham about how realistic the depiction and use of the radio was in the film.  That it was too lit up, or not sure if it was just a receiver with a microphone plugged into the phone jack to make it look like a transceiver, and on and on debating. 

Well...Dahhhhhh...after all the geek/nerd hams went back and forth debating the accuracy of the radio's depiction,  did anyone even think that temporal RF propagation distortions (the ability to generate signals back or forward in time) weren't active during the time period that the movie was supposed to represent????  How could that inaccuracy have passed the geek/nerd hams minds during the debate.

How ludicrous some are...

What? I was just talking to Einstein on the radio about that last night! His rig is AM only, though  ;D


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC5UP on August 24, 2016, 03:44:20 PM

Albert Modulation


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KC2QYM on August 25, 2016, 07:49:55 AM
LOL  ;D


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KD0REQ on August 25, 2016, 10:42:31 AM
I talk with strange voices all the time.  cut it out, whiners ;)


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KB2WIG on August 25, 2016, 06:47:13 PM



I think Einstein used a cat.

KLC


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC2EU on August 25, 2016, 08:45:03 PM



I think Einstein used a cat.

KLC

No, that's Schroedinger. He's on the "frequency" from  time to time also.  ;D   :o


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AB4ZT on August 26, 2016, 03:51:27 AM
Psigh...


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: VE7DQ on August 29, 2016, 03:25:41 PM
The son of one of the fellas I chat with on (gasp) 80M is a prop man for that show and I've requested more detailed information and images of this thing.  Unfortunately, they won't let the hoi polloi fondle it!

Please stand by...  ;D


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KC4MOP on August 30, 2016, 05:11:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL8Rl2n2C6Y
Why can't Hollywood make something enjoyable and not some weirdo movie? This is weird.
Jan N8CBX

Yea they always get it wrong when I see a TV antenna as a Ham radio antenna.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KO4JY on September 01, 2016, 01:31:15 AM
The son of one of the fellas I chat with on (gasp) 80M is a prop man for that show and I've requested more detailed information and images of this thing.  Unfortunately, they won't let the hoi polloi fondle it!

Please stand by...  ;D

Do you really expect us to believe anything you hear on 80M?   ;D


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC2EU on September 01, 2016, 08:48:45 AM
The son of one of the fellas I chat with on (gasp) 80M is a prop man for that show and I've requested more detailed information and images of this thing.  Unfortunately, they won't let the hoi polloi fondle it!

Please stand by...  ;D

Do you really expect us to believe anything you hear on 80M?   ;D

Aren't most of those guys sitting next to fridge full of beer?
I love the "fish stories".
Sometimes It's like Jerry Springer on Ham radio!


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: WA2CWA on September 01, 2016, 12:45:47 PM
The son of one of the fellas I chat with on (gasp) 80M is a prop man for that show and I've requested more detailed information and images of this thing.  Unfortunately, they won't let the hoi polloi fondle it!

Please stand by...  ;D

Do you really expect us to believe anything you hear on 80M?   ;D

Aren't most of those guys sitting next to fridge full of beer?


Generally, it's just a large pail full of ice and beer.

Pete, wa2cwa


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KD8MJR on September 01, 2016, 02:22:39 PM
Oh, the one that got me perturbed was the Netflix series "Stranger Things". It is good horror/sci-fi and definitely on my list to watch again if they do more seasons.

It was just the middle school science teacher who also runs the AV club, setting up a Heathkit in the AV room and just letting the kids "have at it" any time they want, and without licenses.

But still, if you like science fiction it is a neat series.

Tisha you were the only person that responded to my thread on that show.  I am glad you liked it  :D   I wish more hams had taken a look, it is one of the best done TV shows I have watched in years and as far as Ham Radio goes it's the only one that did not just show a Ham radio but went into a few details about it and what it could do.  I guess my favorite part was that it really bought back that feeling of life in the late 70's to mid 80's in a way that was realistic and felt spot on.
The horror aspect of it was also well done and did not depend on super gory stuff like modern horror flicks, instead it let the tension build.

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,110523.msg941715.html#msg941715 (http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,110523.msg941715.html#msg941715)

About a week after making that post the show went Viral on the Net from everyone posting about it on Twitter etc, it is such a big hit that the CEO of Netflix was being bombarded by people wanting to know why he had not renewed it yet.  He came out about 2 weeks ago and said "We have not finalized our lineup for next year but we would be crazy not to renew "Stranger Things".

You will be happy to know that 2 days ago CNN actually announced that Stranger Things has been renewed for 10 episodes.  That is the first time I have seen a show go from unknown to 5 weeks later being worthy of a major news organization mentioning it's renewal.


73s
Rob



Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KD8MJR on September 01, 2016, 03:01:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL8Rl2n2C6Y
Why can't Hollywood make something enjoyable and not some weirdo movie? This is weird.
Jan N8CBX

I don't think it looks weird, it just looks like they took the story from the original movie "Frequency" and change it up a bit and then delved into the possible after effects of the original movies conclusion.

I use to believe with absolute certainty that any form of Time Travel to the Past was Impossible.  Then came the "Quantum Eraser" experiments.  Now I am scratching my head at the possibility that it may be possible.



73s
Rob


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: VE7DQ on September 02, 2016, 04:34:53 PM
Oh, ye of little faith!

How do I insert a .jpg into my reply?


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KO4JY on September 02, 2016, 06:44:25 PM
Oh, ye of little faith!

How do I insert a .jpg into my reply?


You have to host the image somewhere first. I have my own web server so it's easy for me. I just googled and found this one. I make no claim about it's reliability or anything else for that matter. It's just the first one to come up.

https://postimage.org/

Once you have posted it somewhere, You'll need the direct link to your photo to insert in the image tags in your post here.

I hope that helps.

If you are having trouble. You can email the picture to me and I'll host it for this thread. My email is kmahler@kmahler.com.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC2EU on September 02, 2016, 06:51:06 PM
Oh, ye of little faith!

How do I insert a .jpg into my reply?


on the lower left of the reply screen, under "additional options"


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: VE7DQ on September 02, 2016, 06:58:52 PM
OK, let's try this:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/lauchlin/Frequency%20Radio_zpss0cu07my.jpg)

Thanks to all for the help with posting the image.

Now: what did this start out as??

Cheers!


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: VE7DQ on September 02, 2016, 10:39:03 PM
This prop smacks of Technical Materiel Corporation.  Compare its appearance to the GPR-90, and you will see that the tuning knob is the same, as are the toggle switches and medium-sized knobs on the panel.



Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: AC2EU on September 03, 2016, 06:48:30 AM
Tried google reverse image search, but came up empty.
It seems to be made of bits and pieces of military surplus. ( Navy?)
I don't know what the dial is from, but is is odd that there is a portion  obscured by the knob on the bottom.  It doesn't make sense. I suspect that the original dial did not have the knob in that position.

The dial looks very "art deco" era.


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: KD8MJR on September 04, 2016, 01:04:50 PM
This prop smacks of Technical Materiel Corporation.  Compare its appearance to the GPR-90, and you will see that the tuning knob is the same, as are the toggle switches and medium-sized knobs on the panel.



Good catch  :)
I am really impressed with the amount of work the guy put into this thing.
He not only built and silk screened a new front panel but he also aged it in a very authentic way.

73s
Rob


Title: RE: Can anyone ID the radio from the new TV show Frequency?
Post by: VE7DQ on September 09, 2016, 03:56:23 PM
AC2EU, from examining other clips from the series the object below the tuning knob appears to be an S-meter, upside down and thus reading backwards. 

The links in the "FREQUENCY!" thread seem to show this, if I recall correctly.

Still a cool piece.  I'd love to construct a working receiver replica of that prop, but that would be another project in the queue.  Hmmmmm....