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Title: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KE4KY on December 07, 2016, 04:15:51 PM
Bouvet DXpedition 2017

Rumors still continue to persist that an unnamed group is planning a DXpedition in early 2017 to one of the world’s most desolate, dangerous, and inhospitable islands.

It is rumored that the group has hired Captain Jonas Grumby as their charter. The unnamed group will comprise of a very small group of radio operators, but will also be accompanied by:

-Philanthropist couple that will provide the bulk of the financing for the operation
-A Hollywood starlet
-A young lady from Kansas currently on a world tour
-Renowned scientist/professor Roy Hinkley
-The Captain’s 1st Mate and travel companion

It is believed that the radio group traveling to Bouvet wishes to advance their “rebel” approach to modern DXing.

The motto for the group is: “We can get there quicker than you can!”


As the rumors persist, hopefully more information will come available via the normal DX news outlets.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: AE5X on December 07, 2016, 04:41:19 PM

-Philanthropist couple that will provide the bulk of the financing for the operation
-A Hollywood starlet
-A young lady from Kansas currently on a world tour
-Renowned scientist/professor Roy Hinkley
-The Captain’s 1st Mate and travel companion


Hopefully, a DXpedition composed of these characters will last a bit longer than a three-hour tour.

(https://www.startalkradio.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gilligans-island-radio.jpg)

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: ONAIR on December 07, 2016, 05:27:24 PM

-Philanthropist couple that will provide the bulk of the financing for the operation
-A Hollywood starlet
-A young lady from Kansas currently on a world tour
-Renowned scientist/professor Roy Hinkley
-The Captain’s 1st Mate and travel companion


Hopefully, a DXpedition composed of these characters will last a bit longer than a three-hour tour.

(https://www.startalkradio.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gilligans-island-radio.jpg)

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/

    What kind of radio is that??  :o


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N0UN on December 07, 2016, 09:52:13 PM
KE4KY. Weren't you part of the $100,000.00+ T31W team that cancelled after T31T ran 30k+ QSO's with no up front funding?

N0UN


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KE4KY on December 07, 2016, 10:54:09 PM

-Philanthropist couple that will provide the bulk of the financing for the operation
-A Hollywood starlet
-A young lady from Kansas currently on a world tour
-Renowned scientist/professor Roy Hinkley
-The Captain’s 1st Mate and travel companion


Hopefully, a DXpedition composed of these characters will last a bit longer than a three-hour tour.

(https://www.startalkradio.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gilligans-island-radio.jpg)

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/


Couple of days would be nice....  :)


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KE4KY on December 08, 2016, 02:41:50 AM
KE4KY. Weren't you part of the $100,000.00+ T31W team that cancelled after T31T ran 30k+ QSO's with no up front funding?

N0UN

Thanks for the mention in the blog. No worries on this end.

Since T31W was cancelled I was unexpectedly able to keep a bunch of money in my pocket. Living in Kentucky, that money will go a long way in fixing up the house trailer and mending the fence on the chicken coup. Our one hog just died, so it's going to be a lean Christmas. Thankfully, there is fresh venison in the freezer. They say if the deer are close enough to smell the inside of the truck, you're too close, but that's a different conversation all together. I'm still finding that I'm blessed beyond most measures. I've learned to not take life so serious, even more so for my hobbies.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N5VYS on December 08, 2016, 05:47:40 AM
Will MaryAnn be included ?

Obie N5VYS


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: K1EBU on December 08, 2016, 06:04:01 AM
And Ginger ?


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: AB8MA on December 08, 2016, 06:05:22 AM
Everybody knows Mary Ann was the better CW op.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KE4KY on December 08, 2016, 07:12:53 AM
Ginger, or Mary Ann? Hopefully both!


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N0UN on December 08, 2016, 07:34:08 AM
KE4KY. Weren't you part of the $100,000.00+ T31W team that cancelled after T31T ran 30k+ QSO's with no up front funding?

N0UN

Thanks for the mention in the blog. No worries on this end.

Since T31W was cancelled I was unexpectedly able to keep a bunch of money in my pocket. Living in Kentucky, that money will go a long way in fixing up the house trailer and mending the fence on the chicken coup. Our one hog just died, so it's going to be a lean Christmas. Thankfully, there is fresh venison in the freezer. They say if the deer are close enough to smell the inside of the truck, you're too close, but that's a different conversation all together. I'm still finding that I'm blessed beyond most measures. I've learned to not take life so serious, even more so for my hobbies.

We're all about saving people money.  Glad the Rebel DX Group saved you some.

N0UN


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KD8MJR on December 08, 2016, 08:39:23 AM
I noticed on the updated web page that they will be using Nigel Jolly as the Captain for the trip.  They also they mention the helicopter.  Does the Braveheart have facilities for a helicopter?  I think I remember reading that Nigel had a second boat, but I am not sure.

73
Rob




Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KE4KY on December 08, 2016, 10:24:43 AM

We're all about saving people money.  Glad the Rebel DX Group saved you some.

N0UN

Thanks! My other hobbies and pursuits are appreciative.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: W6GX on December 08, 2016, 03:47:42 PM
I noticed on the updated web page that they will be using Nigel Jolly as the Captain for the trip.  They also they mention the helicopter.  Does the Braveheart have facilities for a helicopter?  I think I remember reading that Nigel had a second boat, but I am not sure.

73
Rob

They are not using the Braveheart.  Nigel owns another ship and that ship has a larger helicopter pad and can carry a larger crew.  This was mentioned in one of their previous press release.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

(http://3y0z.w2qo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Claymore-II_3.jpg)


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: G4AYU on January 04, 2017, 05:02:56 AM
Just noticed this on twitter:-

"Michael G7VJR
‏@g7vjr

3Y0G expedition added to Club Log http://bit.ly/2hQ8w6z 
 

    Michael G7VJR ‏@g7vjr 4h4 hours ago

    Requested by Dom, 3Z9DX today. No further details!"

Regards
Norman G4AYU

   





Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: LA7GIA on January 04, 2017, 12:03:58 PM
You can donate to 3Y0G Bouvet
https://secure.clublog.org/make_donation.php?call=3Y0G


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: VE3VEE on January 05, 2017, 01:22:14 AM
You can donate to 3Y0G Bouvet
https://secure.clublog.org/make_donation.php?call=3Y0G

Ken, thanks for sharing the link. I had overlooked the small Donate button on the 3Y0G Clublog link. Good luck to both DXpeditions.

Marvin VE3VEE


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: VE3VEE on January 08, 2017, 01:52:15 PM
Dom, 3Z9DX, just minutes ago, returned money via PayPal, saying: "I had to cancel project due missing operators willing to join the trip".

Marvin VE3VEE


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: W6GX on January 08, 2017, 05:10:52 PM
I got a refund too.  It's a sad day.  Finding operators willing to go to a remote location for two months is challenging, and I don't blame Dom a bit.  Let's hope Dom will redirect this energy to activate another rare entity.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N5VYS on January 08, 2017, 06:37:53 PM
Unfortunate.

Obie N5VYS


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KB2FCV on January 09, 2017, 07:29:23 AM
Sad to hear the trip had to be cancelled. Thank you Dom for your efforts.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: EI2GLB on January 09, 2017, 03:32:42 PM
But isn't K4UEE and team going to Bouvet in 2018

Why did Dom feel the need to go there too ???

We lost one top expedition to one of the T3 last year due to him going there first, I would be afraid to comment on his motivation to try to activate Bouvet even after a top team have announced plans to go there,

There is lots of top 10 stuff to be activated there is no need for everyone to go to the same island,

Trevor
EI2GLB


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N2RJ on January 09, 2017, 05:24:32 PM
I doubt that Dom's operation would have been as big, so there would still be plenty of demand.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: 3Z9DX on January 10, 2017, 01:33:59 AM
But isn't K4UEE and team going to Bouvet in 2018

Why did Dom feel the need to go there too ???

We lost one top expedition to one of the T3 last year due to him going there first, I would be afraid to comment on his motivation to try to activate Bouvet even after a top team have announced plans to go there,

There is lots of top 10 stuff to be activated there is no need for everyone to go to the same island,

Trevor
EI2GLB

hi Man

You lost top expedtiton to t31 becouse of me?  You are so funny . Ask them why they didn't go there !?  becouse of small 3 people team? who did 31.000 qso's in 6 days  ?

Don't you think they should go and show the world ''who's the boss'' ?  why they canceled? they had a great team, equiment ready , boat redy so WTF happend to them ? People are still waiting for T31 !  there is planty of space for even 3 more expedtitons to T31

Some of you guys are acting like a real AMATEURS !

If you thik you good , better,smart enough....GO !  do it , show us !

unfortunately most of ham radio guys are brave....... just from behind the laptop.

3y0 project did't die !   and is still valid. I need 3 more people ( 6 people team) ready and willing to go for up to 7 weeks. Who not ask milion questions,who is just  ready to go.

My project no need helicopter, no need sherpas, no need cook, no need hostes ,drink bars and a heater in the toailet.

I went to Bouvet in 2001 with no radio and i know what i'm dealing with !

My trip budget is  1/10 of  3y0z budget and will be split by 6 operators .  Trip will be made by Southern Oceans expedition boat .

So......are you willing to go ? or just want to say that i should go to Crozet becouse you are missing some points from them ?
Dom







Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: K3NRX on January 10, 2017, 04:22:27 AM
Ginger, or Mary Ann? Hopefully both!

I hope they bring their dual VFOs, so the antenna masts remain vertical..... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.....

V
K3NRX



Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KD6KVL on January 10, 2017, 07:43:27 AM
I think Dom showed how it doesn't necessarily take the large budget to pull of some of these expeditions.  This is what seems to be keeping some of the rarer entities from being activated.  There was a group that did lower budget activations some years back called the Microlite? Group.  The argument seems to be perceived safety vs budget.  Yeah, its probably safer to get on Bouvet with a helo instead of dragging Alpha's up off a skiff.  We now have Elecraft radios and amps that take far less space and weigh far less than the old FT-1000's and Alphas.  Low budget dxpeditions are potentially more within reach than when equipment was bigger and weighed more.  Tom and Hari activated some awesome stuff with 2 guys and simple gear, PY0S was awesome.  I recall some of the local qrp'ers complaining they couldn't get through the pileups, but I managed with 100 watts and a hex beam.  Those 2 left it on the operators to have skill to work them.  I'd rather have that and smaller operations that go more places, than the larger groups.  Of course we know when Fedor and Alphin tool up on the Braveheart that we're all getting in the log 160-6 and on 2m eme, but they can't afford to go everywhere with what they take in from donations and qsl revenues.  So we have a choice, smaller operations like Dom or Tom and Hari, or fewer big operations.
The more operations the better.  It seems they'll have to diversify this if we want to keep expeditions going.  My bigger concern is the age of the same characters we keep seeing in the dx club movies.  I saw a video from AH1 many years ago and those guys looked a lot younger!
Frank KG6N


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KD8MJR on January 10, 2017, 02:40:24 PM
I think Dom showed how it doesn't necessarily take the large budget to pull of some of these expeditions.  This is what seems to be keeping some of the rarer entities from being activated.  There was a group that did lower budget activations some years back called the Microlite? Group.  The argument seems to be perceived safety vs budget.  Yeah, its probably safer to get on Bouvet with a helo instead of dragging Alpha's up off a skiff.  We now have Elecraft radios and amps that take far less space and weigh far less than the old FT-1000's and Alphas.  Low budget dxpeditions are potentially more within reach than when equipment was bigger and weighed more.  

--SNIP--

Frank KG6N

Frank I am not sure if Dom just typed that stuff up in anger but I personally see no way to get to Bouvet without a Helicopter.
I am not saying it is not possible but my understanding is that there is no place near to land that you can possibly anchor a ship, so you would need to use small boats to get in and from what I am reading it is extremely dangerous.  Then assuming you got that far you would need a team of very young guys in their 20s-30s that are willing to accept being put in a lot of danger as they navigate the cliffs to get up and send ropes down to haul things to land.  If at any point bad weather hits you would be SOL.

As for the weight of the Radios and Amps, that is the least of the problems. You need to Haul Generators, Tents, food and Gas to last for 2 weeks.  This expedition will consume a lot of energy to be able to survive in that kind of cold for 2 weeks.  Gas alone would be in the hundreds of gallons and at a weight of 600 plus pounds per 100 gallons plus hauling several Generators that will probably clock in at 200lbs each it would be a massive undertaking without a helicopter.  Can it be done?  Yes!  Would it be practical?  No!  Why?  Because it would take so long to haul and setup all the gear that you would lose almost half the Dxpedition time in setup and pull down time.  And if that is not a good enough reason, you need to take into account that the ship is clocking off the hours of rental time, and that will create an expense that vastly out weigh the expense of bringing a helicopter in the first place.

73s
Rob


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N5PG on January 10, 2017, 08:45:07 PM
I'd be interested to know what ship he proposes to use and whether he's truly stand alone or piggy backing on another group.

Was the solo ON4 proposing to use a helo ?


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: PA1MR on January 11, 2017, 03:43:20 AM


or just want to say that i should go to Crozet becouse you are missing some points from them ?
Dom


[/quote]

By all means, please go to Crozet!
Since 2000 I've always managed to work a new DXCC each year. For 2017 nothing new has been sceduled, so such an expedition to Crozet will be highy appreciated ;-)


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: SM5GLC on January 11, 2017, 08:19:05 AM
One more vote for Crozet!
That would be a new one... not like Bouvet, already in the log  :D


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: WO7R on January 11, 2017, 04:42:43 PM
Quote
You need to Haul Generators, Tents, food and Gas to last for 2 weeks.

You might want to talk to last year's South Sandwich / South Georgia team.  They did exactly what you said was impossible (to do in a timely way) and in at one case, they hauled it all up -- and down -- a formidable cliff to boot.  I saw the presentation -- it did not take up an impossibly large amount of the team's time and yes, they were hauling generators and like things.  Still, it was a close run thing.  You could see video where one of the generators nearly disappeared into the ocean -- forever.

It was not easy, but that one, at least, could barely be done without a helicopter.  I think the issue at some of these places may be more that (these days) the authorities require the helo.  That was the case, according to what I read, at Deschero, for instance.  In the old days, it was done more like SSandwich was last year.

The other oncoming problem may be shelter.  The presenter was of the opinion that the "mountaineering" type tents they took -- lightweight and supposed to be very good for this -- were simply decimated by the incredibly high winds they experienced.  I don't know if anyone can get these or pass them around, but the Heard group managed to get some very, very good shelters for their DXpedition.  Whether other groups can obtain the same is questionable, but I can see this becoming part of the mission creep over time.  The SSandwich group suffered some real hardship.  It wouldn't have taken a lot more for that to turn into real danger.

It's easy to say "do it on the cheap."  But, the southern ocean stuff is where "cheap" can mean death.  Speaking for myself, nobody needs to die to activate these places.  If the cost goes up so they don't get blown off of these places or have to be helo-ed in, we should get off our cheapskate duffs and pay or man up and delete them from the list.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N6PSE on January 11, 2017, 06:24:25 PM
While we were at South Georgia, we decided that our next target of activation would be Bouvet. On the voyage back to Stanley, we had many discussions with Nigel Jolly, owner of the RV Braveheart about going to Bouvet and we were given a cost for the charter.

When we got home, I explored possible ways to get onto Bouvet and carry out a safe DXpedition without the benefit of a Helicopter, pilot and mechanic.

I had significant conversations with noted Film maker Jason Rodi and his mountaineering guide Aaron Halstead about their visit to Bouvet in 2012. They told me that accessing Bouvet was very difficult and immediately after landing they had to climb an ice cliff. They felt that it would be impossible to haul heavy generators, fuel cans etc up the face of the ice wall. I also met with Erling-LA6VM who had previously activated Bouvet. Erling felt that a helicopter was essential for a safe activation.

Given the costs associated with a helicopter, pilot and mechanic and our previous challenges is raising money to activate South Sandwich and South Georgia, we decided not to attempt to activate Bouvet. We are delighted that K0IR, K4UEE and LA6VM are leading the 3Y0Z effort.

Regarding our VP8STI/VP8SGI tents. These tents were selected as they were robust and light weight. We needed tents that two men could carry up the rocky face at Southern Thule Island.

This model is typically used at Base Camp-Mount Everest. They are suitable for high wind environments. Our challenge was that during each of the heavy storms that we experienced on each island, we experienced high winds and heavy snow fall that exceeded the capability of these tents. Considerable effort was used to clear the top and sides of these tents during the storms of snow. Using a 400 lb tent such as the Airbeam tents that were moved via an ATV were not an option for us. Statements that these particular tents were damaged or destroyed are untrue. We had two other latrine tents of the regular camping variety that were destroyed.

I believe that the 3Y0Z team has the best plan and capability to make a safe and productive DXpedition from Bouvet. There are many other rare and much needed entities that are in great need of activation and should be of focus to other teams.

73,

Paul N6PSE
Co-Leader, VP8STI/VP8SGI DXpeditions.



Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: 3Z9DX on January 12, 2017, 08:36:59 AM
(http://wantexpeditions.com/pic/trip00127/Bouvetoya%20I/Images%20of%20Bouvetoya%20during%20our%20first%20day%20of%20climbing%20in%202012%20on%2020%20February-42.jpg)

If somebody can't climb that 100f long (45deg angle) snow patch  ....better stay at home and complaine about those who can climb and easy get even heavy equipment up there, using rescue board or even long snow sled.

I'm looking for 3 operators willing to join that trip. We have 2 weeks before boat departs from a the Cape Town.

Who wants to join ''life trip'' ?

here is a ''camp'' place

 (http://wantexpeditions.com/pic/trip00127/Bouvetoya%20I/Morning%20images%20of%20Bouvetoya%20during%20our%20second%20day%20of%20climbing%20in%202012%20on%2021%20February-52.jpg)

and overal view  on landing spot

(http://wantexpeditions.com/pic/trip00127/Bouvetoya%20I/Morning%20images%20of%20Bouvetoya%20during%20our%20second%20day%20of%20climbing%20in%202012%20on%2021%20February-3.jpg)

So... brave BOYS !  who want to join ?





Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N2RJ on January 12, 2017, 08:50:12 AM
Quote
It was not easy, but that one, at least, could barely be done without a helicopter.  I think the issue at some of these places may be more that (these days) the authorities require the helo.  That was the case, according to what I read, at Deschero, for instance.  In the old days, it was done more like SSandwich was last year.


It was Navassa and I believe it was the team's judgment call since the old ladder was gone.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N0UN on January 12, 2017, 08:50:28 AM

If somebody can't climb that 100f long (45deg angle) snow patch  ....better stay at home and complaine about those who can climb and easy get even heavy equipment up there, using rescue board or even long snow sled.

I'm looking for 3 operators willing to join that trip. We have 2 weeks before boat departs from a the Cape Town.

Who wants to join ''life trip'' ?


C'mon Rebel.  Don't you know it is much easier to sit in nice warm shacks, smoke cigarettes and belittle DXpeditioneers efforts to go to places like Bouvet, Heard, S Sandwich, S Georgia, Crouzet, etc.?

You better listen to all the Monday Morning Quarterbacks 'round these parts because they'll tell you how to do it.  Even if you don't ask.

There's only a handful - maybe 50 or so DXpeditioneers that I intently listen to their words.  Their words carry meaning and weight.  They've done it.  All the rest (including myself) are nothing more than background static.

Good luck in all you endeavors!

N0UN


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: W6GX on January 12, 2017, 09:01:52 AM
So... brave BOYS !  who want to join ?

It doesn't look too challenging to me.  Count me out ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: 3Z9DX on January 12, 2017, 10:09:57 AM
So... brave BOYS !  who want to join ?

It doesn't look too challenging to me.  Count me out ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

becouse is not that hard  like 90% of hams think


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: AE5X on January 12, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
But, the southern ocean stuff is where "cheap" can mean death.  Speaking for myself, nobody needs to die to activate these places.

Why do we so easily associate the combination of risk and ham radio as something completely adverse to our sensibilities? With so many claiming ham radio to be a "sport" isn't it in keeping with other sports that some would accept that we have a risky component to our sport?

Scuba diving can be relaxing and beautiful in the Caribbean. Or it can take place in a dangerously dark cave 200 feet down - and for what? Ham radio is a hobby for most of us, but for some, it is a sport. Casual motorcycle riding vs. motorcycle racing, etc.

Let's man up and either quit calling this hobby a sport or let's treat it like a sport and let those so inclined assume risk without preaching to them.

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: 3Z9DX on January 12, 2017, 11:24:56 AM
and here is the point you have to deal with ! is it that scary for you?

(http://wantexpeditions.com/pic/trip00127/Bouvetoya%20II/Our%20first%20landing%20on%20a%20beach%20south%20of%20Svarthamaren%20in%202012%20on%2020%20February-4.jpg)


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N0UN on January 12, 2017, 11:30:13 AM
But, the southern ocean stuff is where "cheap" can mean death.  Speaking for myself, nobody needs to die to activate these places.

Why do we so easily associate the combination of risk and ham radio as something completely adverse to our sensibilities? With so many claiming ham radio to be a "sport" isn't it in keeping with other sports that some would accept that we have a risky component to our sport?

Scuba diving can be relaxing and beautiful in the Caribbean. Or it can take place in a dangerously dark cave 200 feet down - and for what? Ham radio is a hobby for most of us, but for some, it is a sport. Casual motorcycle riding vs. motorcycle racing, etc.

Let's man up and either quit calling this hobby a sport or let's treat it like a sport and let those so inclined assume risk without preaching to them.

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com


Hear, hear!

N0UN


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KB2FCV on January 12, 2017, 11:49:07 AM

So... brave BOYS !  who want to join ?


Someday I wish I could! Too many family & work obligations for me at this time, otherwise I would sign up in a heartbeat! Until then, I have the utmost respect and admiration to all the hams that make the sacrifices of time, energy & money to put these rare places on the air for us to work.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: SM5GLC on January 12, 2017, 04:29:53 PM
Is this a ham-version of Scott vs Amundsen??

I thought one of the main reason for telling the world about an upcoming expedition is to avoid clashes!
Rather than having two major expeditions go to the same place in a short period of time, to me it makes more sense to pick a spot has NOT
been announced for an upcoming expedition. Especially if the announced do seem be able to pull it through.

But what do I know?  ???


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: WO7R on January 12, 2017, 06:09:33 PM
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Why do we so easily associate the combination of risk and ham radio as something completely adverse to our sensibilities? With so many claiming ham radio to be a "sport" isn't it in keeping with other sports that some would accept that we have a risky component to our sport?

How bravely you bear risks for other people.

Look, we begin to forget at our peril how arbitrary all of this is.  There was never really any "plan" for DXCC and what did and did not qualify.  Look at the original statement.  Look at how the list has changed over the years.

The current contents of the DXCC list aren't some sacred item handed down according to well-understood principles.  What we have is a long journey, with many rule changes, and a heck of a lot of grandfathering.  Today's rules say this.  Tomorrow, they may say that.  We may change them tomorrow for reasons not currently obvious.  We may creatively interpret them to allow this or that that we disallow today.  Kosovo is an interesting test of all of this.

In the end, that list is ratified by nothing except history.  Except for our own inertia, we can change it tomorrow if we like. We usually don't.  And when we don't, we create demand that otherwise would not be there for particular god-forsaken places (as opposed to other god-forsaken places).

Meanwhile, there are some very risky places that we don't go to because it is in an island group with safer choise or too close to the continent or some such and therefore not on the list.  Even South Sandwich has riskier choices than the island usually picked.

IOTA sometimes activates Snake Island, which I personally find insane (read up on it sometime).  But, it is not a DXCC target so far as I know and I hope it never becomes one.  Yet, change the rules a little here, a little there, and we start arguing and even lobbying for people to go to an island full of deadly snakes and no anti-toxin.

There's no particular reason DXCC locations need to be high risk.  There's even less need for our own cheapness to incentivize people to cut corners.

This isn't mountain climbing.  It's a bunch of guys (mostly guys) of mostly below average physique sitting on various rocks playing radio.  It's fun.  It need not be particularly dangerous.  Especially if we, the non-participants, can make it less so with a little extra money.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: WO7R on January 12, 2017, 06:57:35 PM
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Statements that these particular tents were damaged or destroyed are untrue.

Well, I was not there, so I dare not contradict you.  And, it appears that I did so unknowingly.  The tents sure looked pretty bad after some of those windstorms, so I presumed at least some of them were destroyed.  I guess I just misremembered what I was told.

Moving on, the point was hardly to criticize your choices on a particular expedition.  You achieved what at least one of us armchair generals didn't think could be done on the very place we are discussing.

My point was, rather, that I perceive a marked tendency, either from the authorities or from experts like yourselves, to generally upgrade the requirements to go to these places over time.  Whether from an abundance of caution or better technology, only someone like you can really tell me.

But, I would rather hear what you and Dom have to say on the subject than to have those of us who sit home safe and warm as we cheer on people other than ourselves to take who knows what risks.  That shouldn't be our call at all, other than perhaps to urge more caution.  And, we should organize ourselves, overall, especially those of us who don't actually go, to make activating these god forsaken places as safe as reasonably possible.  Which means, in my case, ponying up a little money at least and suggesting that in extremis, maybe the current list isn't so sacred after all in this or that case after due consideration.

I was very glad to see Kingman go, for instance.  As I heard it anyway, the authorities seemed firmly against us ever going again, claiming that they themselves don't like to be there due to sundry risks.  That seems worth some thought on our side of it.  If the "pros" aren't keen, why should we be so keen?


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: AE5X on January 14, 2017, 04:31:41 AM
Don't call us, we'll call you:
http://k38dom0.wixsite.com/rebeldxgroup/new-dxpeditions-ideas

or:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3KeiPjbgcE

John AE5X


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: VA3VF on January 15, 2017, 11:50:01 AM

Let's man up and either quit calling this hobby a sport or let's treat it like a sport and let those so inclined assume risk without preaching to them.

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com


No preaching here, Amen.  ;D

I was under the impression that only contesting was considered a sport within the hobby. OK...add fox hunting and/or radio orienteering to the list. If the entire hobby is considered a sport, then your reasoning is correct.

As also stated elsewhere on this thread, maybe the DXCC list needs to be reevaluated. Some of these places are becoming too risky and/or expensive. As long as they remain on the list, some people will try to get there. While we can correctly say that willing adults can do whatever they want, sometimes removing the incentive becomes necessary to avoid potential disaster. As we donate and help fund some of these dxpeditions, we do have some moral/ethical, for lack of a better term, responsibility towards the outcome, good or bad.

When Sir Edmund Hillary was asked why he climbed mount Everest, his answer was, "because it was there". If these places are not 'there' (DXCC list), we can focus on other less risky/costly activations.

Regarding the age of dxpeditioners, part of the reason for their prevalence is that they got the time, and the discretionary income for it. Unfortunately their health, as good as they are at any given moment, can take a hit when they least expect.

Going back to the sport/hobby thing, I see hamradio as a hobby, so the risks of going to some of these places far outweights the benefits, in my opinion.

I do have tremendous respect for the people going on these trips, but I also think it's crazy sometimes.

Regards,

Vince, VA3VF


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: W5JON on January 15, 2017, 03:45:00 PM
From the 3Y0Z Website:

A Message From the DXpedition Team

Our Commitment to You

A DXpedition to Bouvet is not to be taken lightly.  Bouvet is a serious and dangerous place that demands attention to safety, serious planning, physical and mental endurance, time to allow for storms and rough seas and a team with the right balance of size, experience, talent, emotional stability and sense of purpose.  We feel we have met these criteria, but when we arrive at Bouvet, we also need to attend to our obligations to you, our financial supporters and DX audience.  How we meet those obligations and expectations will define us as a team.

It is our belief that, given the rarity of this entity, we must pull out all the stops.  We must utilize maximum legal power, the best antennas, world class transceivers, propagation studies, the best location on the island, a safe vessel and crew, highly qualified helicopter pilots and the complimentary resources of our team.  We will need near real-time information flowing to us through our extensive pilot system, so that we can maximize our primary purpose — providing QSOs.

We have a conscience.  We will not do this just for the sake of doing it and end up using a compromised location, less than 24/7 coverage of all open bands, limited power, inefficient antennas and insufficient time at the island.  We want to do this right, and give everyone the best possible chance of making the QSOs they desire, be they on 160, the WARC bands, SSB, CW, RTTY or 6 and 2 meter EME.

Rest assured that we will do our very best for you!  No shortcuts or compromises!

The 3YØZ Bouvet Island DXpedition Team


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: WD9Q on January 15, 2017, 06:48:28 PM
I saw some discussions about shelters.

You might want to consider these for future DXPeditions.

http://www.intershelter.com/polar.html


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: PA1MR on January 16, 2017, 04:27:12 AM
From the 3Y0Z Website:

A Message From the DXpedition Team

It is our belief that, given the rarity of this entity, we must pull out all the stops.  We must utilize maximum legal power, the best antennas, world class transceivers, propagation studies, the best location on the island, a safe vessel and crew, highly qualified helicopter pilots and the complimentary resources of our team.  We will need near real-time information flowing to us through our extensive pilot system, so that we can maximize our primary purpose — providing QSOs.



Investing in this really is no unnecessary luxury.

I remember the time 3Y0C (Chuck Brady, RIP) was active from Bouvet (2000/2001). Back then I was primarily focused on 10m. Getting a decent signal from him on 10m was extremely hard (the QSL with a picture of his antenna and take-off position is on my online QSL album on my website to give you an idea). In all the months he was active I must have heard him literally just a handful of times. And just twice really strong. And this was with a 5 elements monoband yagi around the peak period of the previous cycle.

Since Chuck was mainly active in SSB I’m glad that very experienced CW-operators are in the 3Y0Z team. I do support widescale expeditions like these, without them many so-called ‘little pistols’ would never get a shot at working such an interesting DXCC. Thanks guys, for making this happen for us!

PA1MR Douwe


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: W2LO on January 16, 2017, 02:02:51 PM
   Chuck Brady, 3Y0C, was a truly gifted individual, versatile in many fields and possessing a phenomenal memory. His South African pilot station was very open to inquiries, suggestions, etc. and would pass them on to Chuck. I sent the pilot station an email asking if Chuck worked CW and he responded that he had forwarded the message to Chuck. I thought no more about it for everyone then was chasing 3Y0C.

  About three or four months later I found Chuck in a moderate pileup on 12 meter SSB and was fortunate to snag him. We exchanged reports but then he said, "Wait a minute. Didn't you send my pilot station a message a few months back about CW? Do you want a CW contact now? Let me get my key." I didn't want to hold up the pileup but before I knew it he was calling me on CW, we exchanged reports and then he worked several more on that mode.

 How he remembered a lone inquiry months earlier with all that he had to do on Bouvet is beyond me. TU, Chuck!


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: VE3VEE on January 16, 2017, 03:30:03 PM
Love this video... almost like Bouvet island... https://www.facebook.com/ve3vee/posts/1205193866224765

 ;D

Marvin VE3VEE


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: YU4DX on January 16, 2017, 03:58:00 PM
HAM Fellows,

I had a death case in the closest family, recently. So I need to be quiet for sometime as I m in deep grief. But, when I open my mouth those barking dogs around these days breaking Constitutional Rights of another personas, they will feel my Barrister wolf teeth literary at EtCHR in Strasbourg.. Direct charges will be raised against some for they statements at a very table of of my Mentor, Commissioner for Human Rights, MR. Nils Muiznieks..
This is no more HAM radio issue, some public statements drove down to violating one's human most intimate personal rights and freedoms.

I appeal all of you to come down to the Earth a bit and spread peace and love and respect between eachother

Spread the waves, go to BOUVET 10000 times THE BETTER, why the hack are you barking at each other making other people pointless of being around you nor even to respond to any signal from 3Y0. Don't make such a circus out of HAM radio movement.
But when it comes to my profession as Barrister/advocate  - Master of Laws degree (LL.M.) - I will tell everyone where they got wrong holding skills and tools how to bring those human errors down to Justice.

As a HAM I am looking forward to anyone who is capable of spreading radio-amateur movement everywhere from and at anytime - in 2017, 2018, 2050, 2099..

God Bless!
73s


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: PA1MR on January 17, 2017, 02:48:35 AM
  Chuck Brady, 3Y0C, was a truly gifted individual, versatile in many fields and possessing a phenomenal memory. His South African pilot station was very open to inquiries, suggestions, etc. and would pass them on to Chuck. I sent the pilot station an email asking if Chuck worked CW and he responded that he had forwarded the message to Chuck. I thought no more about it for everyone then was chasing 3Y0C.

  About three or four months later I found Chuck in a moderate pileup on 12 meter SSB and was fortunate to snag him. We exchanged reports but then he said, "Wait a minute. Didn't you send my pilot station a message a few months back about CW? Do you want a CW contact now? Let me get my key." I didn't want to hold up the pileup but before I knew it he was calling me on CW, we exchanged reports and then he worked several more on that mode.

 How he remembered a lone inquiry months earlier with all that he had to do on Bouvet is beyond me. TU, Chuck!

Just in case my point was misunderstood; my posting was not intended as criticism of Chuck. Far from it actually. If a guy pulls you out of a pile-up from hell with my modest set-up back then (100 Watts), at what was literally my first call,  he’s definately very skilled. And apparently a very intelligent person too, being a former astronaut from NASA. I am still very grateful to him for this QSO and I can’t thank Chuck enough for that!

My point simply is that when a DX-expedition T-E-A-M goes to Bouvet, they’d better invest in extremely good gear. Band conditions can be very poor in these regions, as I’d explained in my previous posting. VK0EK for instance had experienced those poor band conditions too. Because they’d invested in very good gear they’ve managed to pull off a fantastic result considering the disappointing band conditions. VK0EK has therefore got my vote for being one of the best DX expeditions in 2016, along with VP8STI/VP8SGI, because of their professional way of organizing (and operating) a DX-expedition under extreme circumstances. Thanks guys, for all your work!

PA1MR Douwe


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: HS0ZIB on January 17, 2017, 03:56:06 AM
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and here is the point you have to deal with ! is it that scary for you?

Yes!!  I recognise those 'friendly' penguins as nothing less than the much-feared, Greater Ham-Eating Penguin, infamous for devouring well-intentioned ham operators and leaving nothing after the meal except for their backpacks....  ;D


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KD8MJR on January 17, 2017, 09:42:05 AM
3Y0Z still needs $214,000 to make the trip happen.  I donated already, if just 4,280 hams donate $50 they will have all the needed money.  IMHO it's now or never for those of us who do not have Bouvet

73s
Rob


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: 3Z9DX on January 17, 2017, 10:23:28 AM
3Y0Z still needs $214,000 to make the trip happen.  I donated already, if just 4,280 hams donate $50 they will have all the needed money.  IMHO it's now or never for those of us who do not have Bouvet

73s
Rob


or 400 hams donate 100$ will make another 3y0  trip in February 2017 or 3 more operators who willing to join ?!


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: LA7GIA on January 18, 2017, 11:56:19 PM
I am not sure 3Y0Z will be able to raise the remaining $215.000. Remember how Intrepid struggled with their 200' goal when going to VP8. I have donated $100 to 3Y0Z and will do that to any team no matter who was first to announce their trip, small or large team.

Unless we see a real boost in donations, I am afraid we will see 3Y0Z cancelled within summer 2017 because of lack of funding (or they will have to come up with another 10 operators.)


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: W6GX on January 19, 2017, 08:34:24 AM
I don't think the $215,000 short-fall takes the NCDXF pledge into account.  On the 3Y0Z website it shows the NCDXF logo however when I searched the NCDXF website it doesn't list 3Y0Z as a grant recipient.  My guess is that the NCDXF has pledged support however the money has not been transferred over.  Since NCDXF donated $50,000 to VK0EK I would assume 3Y0Z would also get $50,000 if not more.  The $50,000 grant will reduce the short-fall to $165,000.  There's still a year left for fundraising and currently there's no major dxpeditions competing with 3Y0Z.  I believe 3Y0G will meet the $165,000 target.

http://www.ncdxf.org/pages/news.html

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: MM0NDX on July 11, 2017, 02:39:35 PM
Most interesting.

(https://dx-world.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/3y-e1499809212328.jpg)


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KE4KY on July 11, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
Best of luck to all involved.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N5PG on July 11, 2017, 04:46:49 PM
Polish  Bouvet site:  http://www.bouvet2017.pl (http://www.bouvet2017.pl)

Link currently not working.

(Works a bit on Android, get pretty pics but then "500 server error")


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: SM5GLC on July 12, 2017, 11:48:49 AM
When I picked up a BGAN Inmarsat terminal for my upcoming adventure, I was told that the point where one used to land at Bouvet has calved away and they told me that trying to get access to Bouvet would be very dangerous if not by air. So a helicopter (or two) seems a pretty smart way of staying alive trying to activate 3Y :D


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N2RJ on July 14, 2017, 09:30:56 AM
Polish  Bouvet site:  http://www.bouvet2017.pl (http://www.bouvet2017.pl)

Link currently not working.

(Works a bit on Android, get pretty pics but then "500 server error")

500 error as well


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: VA3VF on July 14, 2017, 09:37:15 AM
Polish  Bouvet site:  http://www.bouvet2017.pl (http://www.bouvet2017.pl)

Link currently not working.

(Works a bit on Android, get pretty pics but then "500 server error")

500 error as well

This is why we need Mega DXpeds. The low budget ones cannot even maintain a web presence.  ;D ;D ;D

73 de Vince, VA3VF


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N0UN on July 21, 2017, 08:05:03 AM

This is why we need Mega DXpeds. The low budget ones cannot even maintain a web presence.  ;D ;D ;D

73 de Vince, VA3VF

Now that's funny, lol!

 ;D ;D ;D

N0UN   ;)


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: MM0NDX on August 05, 2017, 02:43:54 PM
https://dx-world.net/ncdxf-100000-awarded-to-3y0z-bouvet-island-dxpedition/

The Northern California DX Foundation is pleased to announce a contribution of $100,000 to the 3YØZ Bouvet Island DXpedition planned for January 2018. Bouvet is #2 on the ClubLog Most Wanted List. This is the largest contribution in the history of NCDXF.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KD0PO on October 13, 2017, 09:16:15 AM
so, they meet the boat on the South Shetlands on January 13, 2018...

I almost can hear the cops, DQRM and solar flare now

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ray


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: WA8UEG on October 13, 2017, 09:30:55 AM
Correct you are Ray but it will be music to my ears really need this one!!


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N5VYS on October 13, 2017, 11:17:02 AM
I need this one also! They also have a new antenna for 160M?

Obie N5VYS


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: W2LO on October 13, 2017, 11:40:11 AM
 I may be wrong on some details but from what I've read and heard for 160 they'll be using 1) the same wire yagi-on-ice concept that they used on Peter I and 2) a very tall vertical that was built by DXEngineering especially for Bouvet's challenges.

 Sounds like 160 will have some serious antenna artillery. Exciting days ahead. GL to all!


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: 3Z9DX on February 03, 2018, 02:46:36 PM
Polish  Bouvet site:  http://www.bouvet2017.pl (http://www.bouvet2017.pl)

Link currently not working.

(Works a bit on Android, get pretty pics but then "500 server error")

500 error as well

This is why we need Mega DXpeds. The low budget ones cannot even maintain a web presence.  ;D ;D ;D

73 de Vince, VA3VF

And how funny is that now?


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: KD0PO on February 03, 2018, 02:52:27 PM
wasn't there a scientific expedition going there a month or so ago??

Did they make it??

inquiring minds want to know.. ???

Ray


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: VA3VF on February 03, 2018, 03:02:14 PM
This is why we need Mega DXpeds. The low budget ones cannot even maintain a web presence.  ;D ;D ;D

73 de Vince, VA3VF

And how funny is that now?

You are not serious, right? Are you comparing a very complex dxpedition, that had to be cancelled due to factors beyond anybody's control, with your inability to have a web page work properly?

But let me lift your spirits now. We're all waiting for your departure in the dinghy you said is all that is needed to go there. Imagine all the glory, and money you'll make.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: 3Z9DX on February 03, 2018, 03:08:06 PM
This is why we need Mega DXpeds. The low budget ones cannot even maintain a web presence.  ;D ;D ;D

73 de Vince, VA3VF

And how funny is that now?

You are not serious, right? Are you comparing a very complex dxpedition, that had to be cancelled due to factors beyond anybody's control, with your inability to have a web page work properly?

But let me lift your spirits now. We're all waiting for your departure in the dinghy you said is all that is needed to go there. Imagine all the glory, and money, you'll make.

You see :)
if you will know the story....but you don't
I was on Bouvet in 2001 and i jump on shore from the dinghy..but anymore talking about that is not important..
You are brave as many...behind the laptop...
take your a.. up there, go with  with me !   ready?


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: K2FW on February 03, 2018, 03:09:33 PM
The DxPedition has been cancelled due to severe weather & engine problems within the boat.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: N0UN on February 03, 2018, 03:15:12 PM
This is why we need Mega DXpeds. The low budget ones cannot even maintain a web presence.  ;D ;D ;D

73 de Vince, VA3VF

And how funny is that now?

You are not serious, right? Are you comparing a very complex dxpedition, that had to be cancelled due to factors beyond anybody's control, with your inability to have a web page work properly?

But let me lift your spirits now. We're all waiting for your departure in the dinghy you said is all that is needed to go there. Imagine all the glory, and money, you'll make.

You see :)
if you will know the story....but you don't
I was on Bouvet in 2001 and i jump on shore from the dinghy..but any more talking about that is not important..
You are brave as many...behind the laptop...
take your a.. up there, go with  with me !   ready?


Spoken like a true Rebel DX Group Charter Member!

Jesteś następny

N0UN


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: VA3VF on February 03, 2018, 03:24:26 PM

you see :)
..if you will know the story....but you don't

No, I don't know the story, care to share? If not, why even mention it? Are we like little girls here, keeping secrets and being jealous?

..i was on Bouvet in 2001 and i jump on shore from the dinghy..but any more talking about that is not important...

And I think I praised you for that, and defended you up to a point, but them you changed your posture, and I said enough.

You are brave as many...behind the laptop...take your a.. up there with me ?!   ready?

I never said I was brave, quite the contrary. I would never go on such a dxpedition, and it has nothing to do with you. I would not go period.

And if you recall, I have been very worried about Mega DXpeds for a variety of reasons. DXing is not that important, that people need to risk life, family, and finances to please a bunch of other people, some of them very dysfunctional.

But back to your attempt to activate Bouvet, when is it going to happen? Don't worry about me. If I hear you calling with no replies, I may try to contact you with my modest station, otherwise I'll just be happy for the others that do.


Title: RE: Bouvet 2017???
Post by: K0YQ on February 03, 2018, 03:26:05 PM
Getting safely back to port is the only concern the DX community should have right now.