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Title: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KA2UFP on September 09, 2017, 03:18:41 PM
...should I renew my ARRL membership?...is it worth it???...


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K9MHZ on September 09, 2017, 04:22:55 PM
Oh boy....hang on, here we go.


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Post by: W0WCA on September 09, 2017, 04:43:18 PM
Jes . . .


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Post by: NZ4ZN on September 09, 2017, 06:00:35 PM
Bump


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Post by: K2OWK on September 09, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
Yes, just for the magazine. It's pretty good.


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Post by: WZ7U on September 09, 2017, 06:16:01 PM
Yes, but beware of the spiders


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: SWMAN on September 09, 2017, 09:42:40 PM
Yah, I guess so ! 


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K8AXW on September 09, 2017, 09:48:29 PM
I've been an ARRL member for over 50 years.  I recently opted out of receiving QST because I don't care for what I see in it....BUT I do support them 100% because they are our go-between our hobby and existence.  

They alone are responsible for us keeping our frequencies plus gaining some and those who lust after said frequencies for their own use.

They also are our representatives when it comes to FCC matters.

Yes, it's worth it!


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: NK7Z on September 10, 2017, 12:28:00 AM
Here is the question to ask...  Has the ARRL helped Amateur Radio, if the answer is yes, then you should join.  I am sure the ARRL is a force for good in Amateur Radio, so I renew.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: G3RZP on September 10, 2017, 03:23:59 AM
Their support for amateur radio at organisations like the ITU and CITEL as well as their support of the IARU is vital. Personally, I find QST not terribly interesting most of the time, but although us overseas members don't get to vote on appointments to the Board, I am keeping up my membership of over 30 years.

Peter G3RZP


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: DL8OV on September 10, 2017, 04:31:26 AM
Yes

I believe that every radio amateur should be a member of their national society. Whilst you may not make use of their up-front services you need someone to walk the halls of government and speak on your behalf.

Peter DL8OV


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: W9FIB on September 10, 2017, 04:50:16 AM
I think it is worth renewing. I don't always agree with them, but most of the time I do.

QST has become a bit too dumbed down at times. But still offers some useful information.

Overall ARRL is a plus for the hobby.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K0UA on September 10, 2017, 06:06:57 AM
Yes.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KC8KTN on September 10, 2017, 06:16:51 AM
Wow. Yes. I was a member . But all they want is more $$$ Donation Donation Donation.. Wow. Take Care Have a Joyous Day and a Blessed Day.  Ham Radio making me a more Informed Person and Radio Adventureer. 73zzz Waiting for November Fever...                                                                                                                                                                                                                    



All the cool hams say cute little sayings here:::                                                                        
November Fever Is Coming:::::::73~~~~
Making Ham Radio Great Again~~~~


  


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: NK7Z on September 10, 2017, 06:55:57 AM
Back in July, you said:
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Quote from: KC8KTN on July 26, 2017, 02:37:28 PM
I got a double o card threatening a fine once of 150.00 Wow.All because of a mistake.
At which point I asked you:
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Quote from: NK7Z
Who exactly sent you an OO card threatening a fine?
and you replied:
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Quote from: KC8KTN, July 2nd, 2017
When i get home or back from Vacation i will tell you who sent me the oo information call signs and the like so we can settle this and move forward and trust will be reaffirmed..Have a joyous day.And remember that our hobby is only as strong as our trust that we have with one another. God bless to all. Later Gator.... 73s.Happy 4th of JULY.
Trust will be established strong and true.
So you must be back from your vacation, so please again, who sent you the first OO card, that is three times now that I have asked.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: WD4CHP on September 10, 2017, 08:58:50 AM
Yes

I got a life membership when I could afford it.

Now that I am retired, I do not have to scrape up the money.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KB2SMS on September 10, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
...should I renew my ARRL membership?...is it worth it???...

Sure. Who else do we have to fight for us? Promote us? Speak for us?
Been a member since I became a ham in 1994. I'll renew.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K8AXW on September 10, 2017, 10:23:40 AM
Kraus:  You WAS a member but quit because of "donations, donations. donations?"  

Name one organization that doesn't solicit "donations!"  It a simple matter to throw such requests into File 13.  Surely there must be a better reason for you to quit?

This is a case of cutting your nose off to spite your face!  You have a "happy day" while playing with your ham gear, while the others pay for it.

While I'm on my soap box I take issue with the new "hams" who just use ham radio as another 11 meter band......

While I have and do take issue with the ARRL dumbing down license requirements I also understand that ham radio was dying because of the Internet/cell phone growth and something had to be done to keep the numbers up.  While all of this is a bitter pill to swallow......I guess it's inevitable.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K5NOK on September 13, 2017, 02:15:59 PM
Did 2 pages of comments just go "missing"?
We need a eHam milk carton with a picture of the post and a "Have you seen this post" caption under the picture.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: WI8P on September 13, 2017, 03:29:54 PM
Did 2 pages of comments just go "missing"?
We need a eHam milk carton with a picture of the post and a "Have you seen this post" caption under the picture.

Apparently the mods didn't like Chuck being called out for what he is.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KC8KTN on September 13, 2017, 04:13:03 PM
Like I have stated before E ham has the BEST MODERATORS THEY HAVE COMMON SENCE and see the right thing to do..Thanks.Have a blessed Day.God bless us ALL


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: W9FIB on September 13, 2017, 05:24:02 PM
Did 2 pages of comments just go "missing"?
We need a eHam milk carton with a picture of the post and a "Have you seen this post" caption under the picture.

Nothing of significance was lost.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: WZ7U on September 13, 2017, 08:09:44 PM
Wow. Yes. I was a member . But all they want is more $$$ Donation Donation Donation.. Wow. Take Care Have a Joyous Day and a Blessed Day.  Ham Radio making me a more Informed Person and Radio Adventureer. 73zzz Waiting for November Fever...                                                                                                                                                                                                                    



All the cool hams say cute little sayings here:::                                                                        
November Fever Is Coming:::::::73~~~~
Making Ham Radio Great Again~~~~


  

Again, the perfect stump to run for Atlantic Division Director, or whatever it was. Go for it

You can clean out the cat box but the smell lingers..


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KOP on September 14, 2017, 04:38:47 AM
Renew hell I never started, and never will.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K8AXW on September 14, 2017, 10:08:00 AM
KOP:  We have a LOT of Techies around here that feel the same way.  Can't blame them though.  They're strictly 2m "Taxi Band" operators and former CBrs.

No interest in ham radio at all and have no idea or could care that the ARRL got them where they are now.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: NK7Z on September 14, 2017, 10:10:29 AM
I must second that, I can't imagine a world without the ARRL in which Ham's would have so much in the way of representation, and backing.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: W0BKR on September 14, 2017, 10:50:24 AM
I don't see why not....you can do year to year, see how that floats and if you decide, go life membership or just forget it...
Good stuff in the QST rag too...



Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KC2QYM on September 16, 2017, 11:40:31 AM
UFP...why don't you tell us if it's worth it? Aren't you a junior G man Official Observer for the ARRL? Hasn't the ARRL afforded you a splendid amateur career in part 97 interpretations and post card citation operations? Why would you throw out this land mine thread if you hadn't already been provided with a meaningful life by belonging to the ARRL's elite Official Observer Corps?

I just have to laugh. As a recipient of one or two OO cards from you (minor part 97 infractions which I may have committed) why would you ask others if it's worth belonging to the ARRL? Isn't it fulfilling to be part of that elite organization dedicated to policing the bands and ridding all undesirables out of ham radio. Why would you question others and not give your own reasons?

Are you disillusioned with ham radio altogether. Was the ARRL supposed to be something beyond the commercialized, paplum spewing organization it has become? Well if so, turn in your badge and join the regular people who simply enjoy radio as a mostly friendly hobby without any lofty expectations.

At the end of the day, your license is via the FCC, your spectrum allocation privledges are at the pleasure of the government. If the government has a mind to change the rules and use privledges they will. Amateurs don't need the ARRL to protect those privledges. Amateur radio enthusiasts are voters and some are very good at directing communications to politicians if they don't like how their special interest is affected by government decisions.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: W0BKR on September 16, 2017, 11:51:06 AM
ARRL membership is like anything else, you have a right to choose to belong or skip it..no right or wrong about it...do what you feel is right for you...


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: G3RZP on September 17, 2017, 03:35:49 AM
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Amateur radio enthusiasts are voters and some are very good at directing communications to politicians if they don't like how their special interest is affected by government decisions.

Didn't seem to have much effect during the big PLT debacle. Or the amount of noise radiated because of lax enforcement on part 15 devices, although it seems that FCC are starting to look into that.

Who but ARRL briefs the government at the time policy is being made, rather than reacting afterwards? Who, other than ARRL, sends amateur representation in the US delegations to ITU and CITEL to advise against accepting recommendations from other countries that are inimical to amateur radio?


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KOP on September 24, 2017, 11:48:42 AM
G3RZP ,
            All due respect sir . You mind the crown , we'll look after the colonies .

    Who but ARRL briefs the government at the time policy is being made...
I would be extremely remiss if I allowed myself to be represented by any organization that practiced repetitive group insanity by backing the same legislation year after year expecting a different result.

     Rather than reacting afterwards?
Like coexisting with foreign broadcast stations on 40M ?

    Who, other than ARRL, sends amateur representation in the US delegations to ITU and CITEL to advise against accepting recommendations from other countries that are inimical to amateur radio?

...and is repeatedly mocked, belittled, and ignored by the world Amateur Radio community because it is routinely ignored, consulted after the fact, belittled and ignored by it's own home government.

    I'll admit to a strong personal bias concerning the A.R.R.L. In this I am intractable . I see nothing in recent history nor in the foreseeable future to sway this opinion. I will offer as a counterpoint that In rare cases the A.R.R.L. and I are in agreement  by way of coincidence or happenstance . This in no way means that I will ever align myself with  the A.R.R.L. It simply means we agree.

    I will represent myself to my elected officials personally .


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K8AXW on September 24, 2017, 09:29:04 PM
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I will represent myself to my elected officials personally

Good luck with THAT!  I'm sure you'll get satisfactory results!   ::)


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: G3RZP on September 25, 2017, 03:35:00 AM
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  I will represent myself to my elected officials personally .

But do they understand the technical issues involved in spectrum engineering and management? For that matter, how well versed are you on those issues?

The broadcasters got into 7MHz at the 1938 Conference in Cairo: ARRL persuaded the government that that would be a bad thing in Region 2 and the US position influenced the other R2 governments. The 1959 conference chopped 7 MHz down to 100kHz in regions 1 and 3 and it took 50 years to get back to having 200kHz. Whether we will ever get back 7200 to 7300 worldwide is another matter...


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: NK7Z on September 25, 2017, 03:55:06 AM
ARRL membership is like anything else, you have a right to choose to belong or skip it..no right or wrong about it...do what you feel is right for you...
That pretty well sums up how all these ARRL threads should go...


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K9MHZ on September 25, 2017, 01:27:05 PM
Yeah, I guess I just don't understand the huge grievance, if any.  Sure they're slow, slower, and slowest, but on balance having them is much, much better than not.

The visceral hatred of the ARRL is very strange behavior, though.  Reminds me of the Apple vs. MS passions over the years, and the goofballs who threw themselves completely into that fray, while the well-adjusted world just thought: "get a life!"

Dunno, maybe just goes with the territory in an awkward/Asperger's infused hobby.  
  
 


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: NK7Z on September 25, 2017, 01:29:33 PM
Yeah, I guess I just don't understand the huge grievance, if any.  Sure they're slow, slower, and slowest, but on balance having them is much, much better than not.

The visceral hatred is strange behavior, though.  Reminds me of the Apple vs. MS passions over the years, and the goofballs who threw themselves completely into the fray, while the well-adjusted observers just thought: "get a life!"
 
Nor do I, but alas, I guess we don't have to understand.  As I have said many times, I can't imagine Amateur Radio without the ARRL...


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: N9AOP on September 25, 2017, 02:19:45 PM
Absolutely, if for no other reason, they need the revenue.
Art


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: WZ7U on September 25, 2017, 03:32:04 PM
.. snip..  Dunno, maybe just goes with the territory in an awkward/Asperger's infused hobby.

My my, lest we forget those of us afflicted with Tourettes......  :D  ;)


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KOP on September 25, 2017, 04:01:48 PM
~snip The visceral hatred of the ARRL is very strange behavior, though.  Reminds me of the Apple vs. MS ~snip

 Just to clarify, I would not describe my feelings toward the A.R.R.L. as hatred.
It's a choice. I choose not to support the A.R.R.L. . That I provide my reasons my be interpreted as a strong dislike. I reserve hatred as a final resort to much more important, much more personal issues.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K9MHZ on September 25, 2017, 06:43:22 PM
KOP, not supporting is just fine.  You have reasons...OK, FB.  I wouldn't internalize it too much.  The remark was very generally made, since the "Never Leaguers" have been around a long time.
 


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KA5ROW on October 02, 2017, 12:14:52 AM
I like what I get out of QST, The digital QST is great but needs work. I can make it larger to read. But it will not let me save a copy of the monthly issue. I would be even to buy a whole year on CD if offered, but they don't even do that.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: N0XAX on October 03, 2017, 09:59:16 PM
I didn't renew mine. The ARRL does "not" represent me. They are an organization thats time has come and gone.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: W3WN on October 04, 2017, 03:43:58 AM
I like what I get out of QST, The digital QST is great but needs work. I can make it larger to read. But it will not let me save a copy of the monthly issue. I would be even to buy a whole year on CD if offered, but they don't even do that.
Well, they switched from CD-ROM to DVD a couple of years ago, but the ARRL does sell the entire year's publications (including QST, QEX, and so forth) on a disk.  Check the ARRL store.  I think they usually go for about $25


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KA4AQM on October 05, 2017, 08:42:51 AM
Yes. Yes.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: G3RZP on October 07, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
I've been a member for more years than I care to remember. Even though as a non US resident, one does not get to vote for directors. Wasn't the cry in 1776 'No taxation without representation'?

But I am a member because of their support for IARU and through IARU, the support for amateur radio at ITU and the various RTOs. Without which, there wouldn't be any international amateur radio.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K8AXW on October 07, 2017, 08:10:06 PM
Peter:  Excellent reply but I figure it went over the head of many!


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: WA7PRC on October 08, 2017, 12:06:16 AM
I've been an ARRL member for over 50 years.  I recently opted out of receiving QST because I don't care for what I see in it....BUT I do support them 100% because they are our go-between our hobby and existence.  
[snip]
You may want to rethink that. If they're between our hobby and existence then, our hobby must be non-existent.  ;)

And, I could care less (but, not much).
OTOH, I couldn't care less.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: N2MG on October 09, 2017, 04:48:54 AM
@Peter:  Wasn't the cry in 1776 'No taxation without representation'?

Yes, but taxation is done by force of law (using sword, gun, jail, etc)
Joining ARRL is voluntary.

Bu you know that. ;-)

Mike N2MG


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K8AXW on October 09, 2017, 09:54:19 AM
PRC:

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because they are our go-between our hobby and existence. 

Go ahead and pick at and make fun of my terminology or phrasing.  I couldn't care less.  Any reasonably intelligent person understands what I am trying to say.

If you can't understand me, may I suggest you go back to your comic books?


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: N8YX on October 09, 2017, 10:02:46 AM
If you can't understand me, may I suggest you go back to your comic books?
El Oh El ...


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K9MHZ on October 09, 2017, 10:34:33 AM
You may want to rethink that. If they're between our hobby and existence then, our hobby must be non-existent.  ;)

And, I could care less (but, not much).
OTOH, I couldn't care less.

Eh....huh?

Must be ham humor.
 


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KOP on October 09, 2017, 02:52:57 PM
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Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: N8AUC on October 09, 2017, 03:24:44 PM
...should I renew my ARRL membership?...is it worth it???...

Whether it's worth it or not, is a personal decision that you, and only you can make.
No one can dictate to you whether you think it's worth it. People will try, but only
you can make that decision for yourself.

As for me, (and I just renewed my ARRL membership) I happen to think it is worth it.

But I didn't always think this way.

Once upon a time, a long time ago, back when I was young, skinny, and had a full
head of hair (none of which was gray), I had an encounter with a person who,
at the time, was the ARRL Great Lakes Division Director. I was a very broke college
student at the time. It was at a hamfest, and he was manning an ARRL table, and
he was clearly attempting to recruit new members. But he was such a pompous,
condescending jerk who left such a bad impression of what ARRL was all about,
that I swore I'd never, ever support an organization that had a complete jack
wagon like him as one of its directors.

And I held that opinion for quite a few years. But "never" is a very, very long time.

Until one day, at a club meeting when I was living in St. Louis, I had the good
fortune to meet Paul and Helen Grauer. Paul was the Midwest Division director at
the time, and he had been invited to be our guest speaker. I went into that
meeting thinking, "yeah, whatever, another ARRL dork, when do we get to the
donuts?". Paul and his wife Helen, who traveled with him at the time, were such
nice, genuine, gracious people. I was very surprised, because I thought that all the
ARRL bigwigs were pompous, condescending jerks. He spoke very honestly and
candidly about what ARRL was, and what it wasn't. What the ARRL did, and what
it didn't do. And what he thought the ARRL should be doing that it wasn't doing.
He also explained, very clearly, about why he thought that the work ARRL did on
behalf of Amateur Radio as a whole, was important and worthy of support.

He didn't try to tell me what to think, how to think, or what to do. He didn't
demand that I fill out an application and pay the dues that night.
But he planted a seed. He changed my opinion of ARRL that night.  

Is the ARRL perfect? Absolutely not. It's run by humans, who are decidedly
imperfect. They've certainly made some bone-headed mistakes in the past.
But the ARRL is much more than the publisher of QST magazine.
Based on my experience, they do attempt to operate and do things that
benefit Amateur Radio as a whole. They support lobbying efforts on
behalf of our hobby in Washington when no one else does. They also represent
the United States at international conferences, as our friend from the UK has
mentioned, when no one else does. And they are, by default if nothing else,
our National Society for Amateur Radio, and are recognized as such by the
ITU, and IARU. Doing these things costs real money. More than can be raised
through membership dues. Which is why they sell books and advertising in QST.
But these things are important for the continued existence and growth of our
hobby. And these are things I see as worthy of my financial support as a member.

But here's the thing. ARRL is a membership organization. Which means that if
you decide to become (or remain) a member, you get a voice in what happens.
Even if that voice is small, it's very real. And it's very difficult to effect any
kind of change in a membership organization if you are not a member.

I am an ARRL member. I currently hold a field organization appointment. And
I will continue to remain an ARRL member for three reasons:
1) I believe that the work that ARRL undertakes for the benefit of Amateur
    Radio as a whole is worthy of my support,
2) I want to help ensure that Amateur Radio continues to be here for the
    next generation just as those who came before did for me, and
3) If I have a voice and a vote, I want to make sure that at least where I
    live, we never again have pompous, condescending jerks running the show.

Frankly, I hope you decide to remain with us.
But that's a decision that only you can make.
Good luck in making your decision.

73 de N8AUC
Eric



Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K9MHZ on October 10, 2017, 05:30:41 AM
Eric,

If your comments are for general consumption, then great.  If they're for the OP specifically, he's not interested in anything thoughtful or well-reasoned.  He's clearly telling a question with this thread topic, and if you look him up, you'll find some bizarre reading by his hand.

Good post.

Best,
Brad


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: AA4HA on October 10, 2017, 01:56:17 PM
I gave up on the ARRL a few years ago. They seemed to be preoccupied by jousting at windmills for the entire HOA thing. Other things that they could of been working on (band protections, spectrum usage and public outreach) were left by the wayside.

I am sure that many people are happy with their membership. I just could not justify the annual amount for such little return.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: G3RZP on October 10, 2017, 02:27:56 PM
Eric said
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But the ARRL is much more than the publisher of QST magazine.
Based on my experience, they do attempt to operate and do things that
benefit Amateur Radio as a whole. They support lobbying efforts on
behalf of our hobby in Washington when no one else does. They also represent
the United States at international conferences, as our friend from the UK has
mentioned, when no one else does. And they are, by default if nothing else,
our National Society for Amateur Radio, and are recognized as such by the
ITU, and IARU. Doing these things costs real money. More than can be raised
through membership dues. Which is why they sell books and advertising in QST.
But these things are important for the continued existence and growth of our
hobby. And these are things I see as worthy of my financial support as a member.

Without ARRL in 1925, we wouldn't have got IARU when we did, or the voices for amateur radio at the Madrid Conference in 1932 or Cairo in 1937 or Atlantic City in 1947....It took RSGB many years to be allowed to send a delegate to as part of the UK delegation to what are now WRCs. There are a good number of other countries who go to a WRC without amateur representation on their team....

Eric is totally correct - which is one reason why, I as a G station, am an ARRL member (with no vote on Directors!). Yes, I am also an RSGB member and am entitled to two simultaneous free Life memberships - one as a Past President and the other as Honorary Life Vice President.
I do a lecture for radio clubs on IARU. It ends up with "Without wavelengths, there is no Amateur radio, and without IARU, there are no wavelengths".


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KOP on October 10, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Peter,
       I with out a doubt or exception agree that the A.R.R.L. was...

     Our path and experience couldn't be more different. I come from a mechanical backround that never strayed far from radio. Until recently I never had formal involvement with amateur radio. I did however acquire military, maritime, commercial and broadcast experience over the last 40 years.
      I am fully aware of and thankful for what the A.R.R.L. has done in the past. Without the A.R.R.L. there would be no amateur radio in the U.S. , at least not as we know it. That was then.
     The A.R.R.L. today is not the A.R.R.L. of yesteryear. To cite example would be stating the obvious. I'll represent myself to elected officials. I'll chance my voice being lost in comment to the FCC. I'll teach as I can and learn as I must. I will promote amateur radio to the best of my ability. I will not support the A.R.R.L. as long as their efforts are largely contrary to well being of amateur radio.
     I can easily see your point of view and agree wholeheartedly with your decision to support the A.R.R.L. I just can not in all conscience support them.
     I suppose that it is fortunate it's a matter of personal choice.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: G3RZP on October 11, 2017, 03:11:26 PM
Without ARRL, IARU would be a lot weaker. Even worse would be the loss in influence in CITEL. Now that doesn't affect directly us Europeans, but the effect on international working for US hams could be a problem if CITEL decided on R2 allocations that didn't accept amateurs - or only on a secondary basis. The US could footnote their abstention, but the QRM US amateurs could get could make some bands practically useless - even in the US.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: PLANKEYE on October 11, 2017, 04:48:05 PM
I'm not sure exactly what the ARRL does and if they were to go away completely what would happen to ham radio.  When CB radio started back in 1945 and then became mainstream in the late 1970's could explain why we need SOMETHING or someone to enforce rules now within ham radio.  Or lobby for stuff ETC...  I don't know you guys know more about the ARRL so please enlighten us.   



CB radios required a licensed to operate. The license cost about $20 in the early 1970’s and was reduced to $4 in the late 1970’s. In addition, there were many rules and regulations concerning antenna height, distance restrictions, allowable transmitter power, and call sign rules. People ignored the laws and to hide their identity, developed “handles” or fake names to identify themselves on the radio. After the FCC started receiving over 1,000,000 license applications a month, the license requirement was dropped entirely but as the culture had already developed, people continued using handles such as “Big Mama” or “Timberwolf” to identify themselves while on the air.



In 2017 the ham radio license is extremely easy to obtain, yes you still have to test for it but a young child can and have passed it.  It's pretty easy I think all of us would agree.  What if the FCC made it harder to get your license?  Lets start by everyone retesting by Jan 1st 2019 change the question pool and bring back the 20 WPM code for extra 13 general 5 novice.  No published questions you just study your theory and procedures via a NEW handbook.  The FCC will provide the book.  If you don't retest your license is gone.  You have to retest every 3 years to keep your license. 


Anyone willing to do that?  Plus the FCC would enforce these rules if your caught your in trouble.  That would help ham radio because people wouldn't like it and they would leave and then you would have nice folks left over. 

Just a thought.  Or just drop the license requirement.       



     


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: K9MHZ on October 12, 2017, 07:33:45 PM
If you're referring to the Class D Citizen's Band, which is 11 meters and popularized in the 1970s, it was started on Sept 11th, 1958, not in 1945.  That's why you see Heath DX-100 transmitters with 11 meters, because it was offered in the 1950s.  The band was targeted because most rigs and hence, band utilization, involved utilizing the harmonics of the oscillators of the 80 and 40 meter bands, and 27 MHz wasn't a multiple. 

There was no testing for CB.  No matter what you think of the current ham testing process, nothing like it existed for CB.       


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: NK7Z on October 12, 2017, 07:37:18 PM
There was no testing for CB.  No matter what you think of the current ham testing process, nothing like it existed for CB.
You had to know how to fill out the application...  That was sort of a test...  <snicker>


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: N8AUC on October 12, 2017, 09:32:59 PM
Eric,

If your comments are for general consumption, then great.  If they're for the OP specifically, he's not interested in anything thoughtful or well-reasoned.  He's clearly telling a question with this thread topic, and if you look him up, you'll find some bizarre reading by his hand.

Good post.

Best,
Brad


General consumption, Brad.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: PBJOK on October 13, 2017, 02:51:00 AM
There was no testing for CB.  No matter what you think of the current ham testing process, nothing like it existed for CB.
You had to know how to fill out the application...  That was sort of a test...  <snicker>

Another superior being heard from.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: PLANKEYE on October 13, 2017, 04:52:32 PM


The CB radio was invented in 1945 by Al Gross, the inventor of the walkie-talkie and owner of the Citizens Radio Corporation.  The radio became popular with small businesses and blue collar workers like carpenters, plumbers, and electricians who used the radio as a tool to communicate with coworkers. By 1960, the costs to produce the 23 channel radio were low enough that everyday Joes could afford to buy one.  By 1973, coinciding with the onset of the oil crisis, the CB Radio craze erupted.

I think back then it was so popular because it was NEW a new way to communicate with others.  Now days it's antique with all of the other devices we have that do so much more.  Much like ham radio is today.  I know you didn't have to pass a test back then for your CB callsign.  I don't know maybe the ARRL is keeping this hobby alive right before our very eyes.  Good luck have fun and have a blessed day.       


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: N0YXB on October 13, 2017, 06:31:19 PM
Ok now I really think Plankeye = KTN.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: WZ7U on October 14, 2017, 01:49:15 AM
Ok now I really think Plankeye = KTN.

Even if it were true, would either persona admit it publicly? Admittedly there are similarities, but I think it's a stretch to make the linkage.  :o  At least I hope not.

That's a pretty hard slap to the face if it weren't true, and a pretty swift kick to the jewels if it were true. Either way, ouch.....  :'(

It is weird that one quits posting then the other posts and vice versa. Sometimes I wish I were better at these interwebs thingies so I could find out if the I.P. addresses matched or not.


So, what say you there Mr. Plankeye? Is there any truth to the (persistent) rumor?  ???


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: N0YXB on October 14, 2017, 08:55:44 AM

It is weird that one quits posting then the other posts and vice versa. Sometimes I wish I were better at these interwebs thingies so I could find out if the I.P. addresses matched or not.


One has slightly better grammar than the other, but the passive aggressive posting patterns are very similar. If they are the same guy he's putting a lot of effort into this, so I admit that's pretty weird. At the very least they're birds of a feather.


Title: RE: ...ARRL RENEW MEMBERSHIP...
Post by: KA2UFP on October 27, 2017, 03:49:07 AM
Received 3rd member renew in 8 weeks...lack of interoffice communication...listened 10/26 on 75 meters to harasser, heard NO IDing...