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Title: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VE3VEE on December 01, 2017, 06:13:40 AM
14 ops, 14 days, October / November 2018 http://vp6d.com/

Would be an ATNO for me. Anyone else still need Ducie?  ;D

Marvin VE3VEE


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: AB8MA on December 01, 2017, 06:23:27 AM
Need them on 10, 12, 30 and 40. Got them on 15, 17, and 20.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: KK7JS on December 01, 2017, 06:28:25 AM
Great news.

I have one 15m SSB QSO with VP6DI in 2002, so will be looking for lots of band and mode fills.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K2QB on December 01, 2017, 06:58:22 AM
Sitting at 345 for a while...still need this one!


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W2IRT on December 01, 2017, 07:10:23 AM
Don't need 'em anywhere at all. Not even a greenie on 10 through 160 CW and SSB. ;D
VP6DX was one of the first mega-DXpeditions I encountered, and their operation was my introduction to SVDAs on the beach. Even on my lousy K9AY loop they were a real S9 on 160m. So other than for a Marathon point, I"m probably sitting this one out for a change.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: NU1O on December 01, 2017, 07:54:29 AM
14 ops, 14 days, October / November 2018 http://vp6d.com/

Would be an ATNO for me. Anyone else still need Ducie?  ;D

Marvin VE3VEE

ME!!  Ducie is one of the 7 remaining countries I need to have worked them all.  I've been waiting for Ducie for several years as it's the lowest hanging piece of fruit I need.  I was away from the hobby during the last DXpedition to VP6.

Thanks for the news, Marvin!

73,

Chris  NU1O


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VE3VEE on December 01, 2017, 08:12:54 AM

I was away from the hobby during the last DXpedition to VP6.


Me, too, Chris. When VP6DX was QRV, I was in the middle of my 25+ year long ham radio hibernation.  ;D

Marvin VE3VEE


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N2SR on December 01, 2017, 08:25:19 AM
Need on 80 and 40. 


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N3QE on December 01, 2017, 08:32:34 AM
I was just getting back into ham radio in 2008 when VP6DX was there and was very happy to work it on many bands in 2008. But I sure do need it on 160M and the WARC bands.

One place that I completely SPACED OUT on was REVILLAGIGEDO in 2011. I somehow completely and totally spaced out and didn't work it a single time. How did I miss it? I am stumped how I so totally missed out.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VE3VEE on December 01, 2017, 09:00:05 AM

One place that I completely SPACED OUT on was REVILLAGIGEDO in 2011. I somehow completely and totally spaced out and didn't work it a single time. How did I miss it? I am stumped how I so totally missed out.


Tim, the positive thing about it is that you have something to look forward to in the future.

Marvin VE3VEE


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W6GX on December 01, 2017, 09:24:00 AM
I need Ducie on 160m!  Plus 10-80m would be nice too ;D

I wasn't even a ham when the last Ducie dxpedition was on the air.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: AE5X on December 01, 2017, 10:10:13 AM
Need them on 630 meters.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 01, 2017, 10:41:17 AM
14 ops, 14 days, October / November 2018 http://vp6d.com/

Would be an ATNO for me. Anyone else still need Ducie?  ;D

Marvin VE3VEE

And they plan to use that 'nasty' mode, FT8. ;D

I may have a chance at this ATNO, most people avoid FT8. ::)


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K8CMO on December 01, 2017, 10:55:17 AM
I am on Honor Roll at 352/332 but need Ducie for ATNO.  I am really looking forward to this one on all modes and bands.  K8CMO


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K7KB on December 01, 2017, 12:12:12 PM
It will be a new one for me. I wasn't active during the VP6DX operation almost 10 years ago. Happy to see this one being activated again :)

John K7KB


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K3NRX on December 01, 2017, 02:48:26 PM
Nope....nearly ran the table with VP6DX back in Feb '08....just gonna sit back and laugh at the mayhem..... ;D ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o :o.........BUT I MAY attempt to work'em once for LOTW under the neutered call sign.....

V
K3NRX



Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N5VYS on December 01, 2017, 04:08:11 PM
A couple low bands.

Obie N5VYS


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N5UD on December 01, 2017, 05:00:31 PM
Looking forward for this one. This might make 3 "new ones" for 2018 mobile. After ZERO for 2017.
73


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: WD4ELG on December 01, 2017, 05:05:29 PM
Wow.  I can't believe how fast time passes by.  It's been TEN YEARS since VP6DX.  Just wow.

Need them on 160, hopefully they can get something decent up for that band.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: KM4SII on December 01, 2017, 05:08:09 PM
Great news! Looking forward to this one! Need them for a new one  :)

73 de KM4SII - Mason


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VK3HJ on December 02, 2017, 01:00:41 AM
VP6D was my first rare DX after I started setting up my station again.

I have them only on Low bands, starting with 160 m SSB. I wasn't doing any CW at all back then!


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K4HB on December 02, 2017, 07:57:55 AM
VP6DX was one for the record books. From 11 Feb to 27 Feb during 2008, they made 183,584 QSOs with 38,754 unique calls. This was the world record at the time, after they surpassed D68C, which had 168,695 QSOs with 43,673 uniques during 2001. So many ops had all 20 possible band/mode slots with VP6DX that some of us with all 20 didn't make it to the top 100 on the leaderboard, which operates on a first come basis.

The record was broken again with T32C (Christmas Island) from 25 Sep to 26 Oct during 2011. They made 213,022 QSOs with 48,966 uniques. But they operated almost twice the time as VP6DX, and the top of the leaderboard had 37 band/mode slots, which included JT65, RTTY, FM, and PSK. I rode this one out, since I already had all the bands/modes for T32. This may have been about the time I decided to discontinue operating for piggy board points.

All stats above are from https://secure.clublog.org (https://secure.clublog.org).





Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K0YQ on December 02, 2017, 08:10:38 AM
VP6DX was one for the record books.


I'm very surprised how many serious-DXer ops still need VP6D for a new one.  Should be fun.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VE8EV on December 02, 2017, 08:49:43 AM
Will be a new one for me as well.  I was just getting back on the air in 2008 and I missed VP6DX by a couple of months.  I was elmering a new ham at the time and he was all excited about working Ducie Island and I remember thinking it must be an IOTA or something because I'd never heard of it...

2018 is shaping up to be a pretty good year!

Season's Greetings
John VE8EV


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: WO7R on December 02, 2017, 09:13:14 AM
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I'm very surprised how many serious-DXer ops still need VP6D for a new one.

DX is a renewable resource.  A lot of people taking hamming, and serious DX even if long licensed, every year. 

And, people do have lives that keep them away from the rig for this and that critical interval. 

This is what "needed list surveys" are for.  You just don't know what everyone else needs unless someone, somewhere keeps track.

If you watch Clublog, which now continuously 'keeps track' you can watch the relative rankings move on a fairly regular basis as DXpeditions do or do not happen to this or that place.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: LA7DFA on December 02, 2017, 09:54:18 AM
I missed VP6DX also.  With a rented appartment in a dense city, its not easy being a DXer :)
Since moving to a decent QTH in 2014, I have worked my way from 284 to 318 DXCCs.
VP6D, 3B7 & KH1 possible ATNO's.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: KB8GAE on December 02, 2017, 10:05:05 AM
VP6DX was one for the record books.

Yep, VP6DX set a record in my shack for the most informative QSL card I have ever received.  One of my favorite cards, at 36 pages long I consider it the War and Peace of QSL cards and a nice reminder of an epic dxpedition.

Good luck to KG5S Gene, the team, and all who need VP6D.

See ya in the pileups,

Rich KB8GAE


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N1UK on December 02, 2017, 01:44:39 PM
It is an ATNO for me.  I was away working and missed the last one.


Mark N1UK


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: KB2FCV on December 03, 2017, 07:52:21 AM
I can't believe it's been 10 years already since VP6DX... it doesn't seem like it was that long ago. As K4HB mentioned, they had quite the QSL 'book' which I enjoyed reading!

At that time I made only 2 QSO's with VP6DX. My attic dipole at the time could not hear them so I drove up the hill to a high school and tossed a dipole up in some trees and worked them with 5 watts on 40 and 30.

I'm looking forward to some band fills with this one.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: KJ3N on December 03, 2017, 08:02:24 AM
Worked VP6DX in 2008 on every band, except 10m. 160m-12m on SSB. RTTY on 17, 20, and 30m.

I might try for some band fills on RTTY, or FT8. I'm also going to hold out hope for a 10m opening.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K4HB on December 03, 2017, 09:27:21 AM
Actually, it was KB8GAE who mentioned the QSL book. I've never seen anything like. Yep, 36 pages counting the front and rear cover. For those who haven't seen it, here's a small sample.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/15p33ts.jpg)


(http://i65.tinypic.com/105zk84.jpg)


(http://i66.tinypic.com/23ww3nb.jpg)


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 03, 2017, 09:37:11 AM
Actually, it was KB8GAE who mentioned the QSL book. I've never seen anything like. Yep, 36 pages counting the front and rear cover. For those who haven't seen it, here's a small sample.


Thank you for posting. A QSL to remember!


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K7KB on December 03, 2017, 04:26:09 PM
Does anyone know if the entire QSL has been scanned and uploaded? I would love to read it :) And indeed it looks like a QSL card for the record books.

John K7KB


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: KB8GAE on December 03, 2017, 05:40:55 PM
Does anyone know if the entire QSL has been scanned and uploaded? I would love to read it :) And indeed it looks like a QSL card for the record books.

John K7KB

John,

Here is a link and be sure to use the link at the bottom of the first page to check out the second.

http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/Ducie_Island/vp6dx.htm

73's  Rich  KB8GAE



Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: AF5CC on December 03, 2017, 09:37:29 PM
I could use them on 10m FM and 60 meters, if they are doing either.

73 John AF5CC


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W2IRT on December 05, 2017, 10:34:00 PM
VP6DX was one for the record books.

I'm very surprised how many serious-DXer ops still need VP6D for a new one.  Should be fun.

I agree. But with the rise of the MegaDXpeditions, that statement will soon be true for everyone with more than a half-dozen years in the hobby. How many folks here either cleaned out completely or came darned close with other ultra-rare maga operations? Navassa, Desecheo, Libya, Iran, Malpelo, Amsterdam, Tromelin, Glorioso, Aves, Rivella Gigedo, South Sandwich/Georgia/Orkney, Peter I, Heard, Auckland-Campbell, Yemen (!), VU4, VU7, etc? In 10 or even 20 years from now, only the newbies will need most of those, even on 160 and 10.

When I first got in to the hobby, if you found a guy who worked a VU4, VU7, ZA or BY, on both CW *and* phone, they were basically spoken of in hushed and revered tones. Today it's "Oh, South Orkney? Yeah, I don't need it anywhere either." Definitely a GoodThingâ„¢ for us, but the mystique is quickly going away.

And I'm predicting that in less than a decade, anybody just starting out seriously today, and who has a simple amp and a Hexbeam will be between 325 and Honor Roll, with 7-, 8-, and 9-band/3-mode DXCC being comically easy. Is that a bad thing? No, but it takes the lustre off those plaques that used to be lifetime achievements for the generations before us.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VU2CDP on December 05, 2017, 11:14:23 PM

..... but the mystique is quickly going away.....

.... it takes the lustre off those plaques that used to be lifetime achievements for the generations before us.
 

Amen. Throw in FT8 and DXCC Challenge is within reach of everyone. You don't need to invest in antennas or work on your operating skills anymore.

Staying on topic, VP6DX was my first real DX too. Worked on 20m phone when all i had a was dipole for 20m and 100w. Should be workable 15m and below.

73,
Deepak VU2CDP



Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: EI2GLB on December 06, 2017, 03:28:07 AM
Any chance they would go to Peter 1 instead,  ;D


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W6GX on December 06, 2017, 06:09:36 AM
Slightly off topic.  I also need Desecheo and Midway for ATNOs.  Does anyone else here need them too besides me and KM4SII :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VE3VEE on December 06, 2017, 07:49:59 AM
Slightly off topic.  I also need Desecheo and Midway for ATNOs.  Does anyone else here need them too besides me and KM4SII :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Could certainly use those as well... on CW, Phone, and Digi. ;D ;D ;D

Marvin VE3VEE


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: KK7JS on December 06, 2017, 07:51:23 AM
Slightly off topic.  I also need Desecheo and Midway for ATNOs.  Does anyone else here need them too besides me and KM4SII :D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Desecheo yes - was off the air at the time. It's possible that one will get deleted someday if the administration of it gets turned over to KP4.

Worked K4M a couple of times back in 2009. Maybe the guys going to KH1 will stop over there on the way back, though I would prefer it if they went to KH7K which I need for an ATNO. Both are more than a little out of their way but perhaps KH3 is a possibility...?  ;D


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: WO7R on December 06, 2017, 07:59:22 AM
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Amen. Throw in FT8 and DXCC Challenge is within reach of everyone. You don't need to invest in antennas or work on your operating skills anymore.

How I wish that was true.

It certainly makes it easier to make QSOs with less significant equipment.  However, there are still many times and places where I have needed every bit of my pretty good station to make the Q even on FT8.

Right now, for instance, I am trying to work VU on zone 22 on 80m, which would nearly complete all 200 zones of 5BWAZ for me.  A couple of your colleagues have been very patient and helpful in terms of trying at their grey line or mine.  Yet, after repeated tries, we have only done decodes in one direction or the other and only on JT65.  It's that polar absorption thing.  Have barely seen traces on the "JT" modes.  I think it will work, but things have to be just right.  Have heard absolutely nothing on CW.

For this path, I'm going to need every advantage I can get.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: WO7R on December 06, 2017, 08:09:02 AM
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And I'm predicting that in less than a decade, anybody just starting out seriously today, and who has a simple amp and a Hexbeam will be between 325 and Honor Roll, with 7-, 8-, and 9-band/3-mode DXCC being comically easy.

If that turns out to be true, then what will inevitably happen is that we'll all adapt.  We'll raise the bar.  (Or, maybe, our kids will).

HR is now too easy?  Then DXCC Challenge at 3000 will become the thing to shoot at.  Anyone who thinks that is easy even with "the JT modes" isn't paying attention.

Maybe new operating awards that account for the difficulty of the path.  For instance, I worked ZS on midsummer on 80m on JT65.  That wasn't "comically easy".  It was fun.  And, it took more than simply turning on the rig to accomplish.  It also took more than an attic dipole for a setup.

In the end, we (or our kids, more likely) will speak in hushed tones about something else.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N3QE on December 06, 2017, 08:11:44 AM
For this path, I'm going to need every advantage I can get.

I think the advantage you need is an east coast QTH.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's anything in the WAZ rules against a second QTH in the same country, you would still be "Traditional" category. Even a modest east coast station can work 8Q pretty much every year when it's activated, just visit one of us.

And of course you could remote in the same country and still get 5BWAZ in the "Remote" category.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N3QE on December 06, 2017, 08:14:03 AM
If that turns out to be true, then what will inevitably happen is that we'll all adapt.  We'll raise the bar.  (Or, maybe, our kids will).

HR is now too easy?  Then DXCC Challenge at 3000 will become the thing to shoot at.  Anyone who thinks that is easy even with "the JT modes" isn't paying attention.

My personal goal for the next solar cycle, is 5BDXCC in a single weekend. Both N3RS and K3WW did it in 2014: https://www.cqww.com/results/2014_cq_ww_dx_cw_results.pdf

Remember the vast majority of HF-active hams never even get to base DXCC.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: WO7R on December 06, 2017, 08:36:27 AM
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I think the advantage you need is an east coast QTH.

I have thought along those lines.  Maybe someone has a nice rent-a-shack in the Carolinas I could use in December.

As far as doing it here goes, supposedly, the best conditions for the year will take place soon.  If that doesn't work, my other option is to finish the four square for 80 I have in mind.  Right now, and I mean "this week", it is almost working with a single, full sized vertical.  If there is a day where conditions are about 3 to 5 dB better (quieter) than they now are, it would work.

I also need zone 21 to finish the whole thing, but am currently focused on zone 22 as it appears to be the harder of the two.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 06, 2017, 09:11:03 AM
My personal goal for the next solar cycle, is 5BDXCC in a single weekend. Both N3RS and K3WW did it in 2014: https://www.cqww.com/results/2014_cq_ww_dx_cw_results.pdf

Remember the vast majority of HF-active hams never even get to base DXCC.

That's my goal as well, but not in a weekend, in a lifetime. 5BDXCC is what I remember as the pinnacle of hamradio when I was a kid. I don't recall reading about Honor Roll, and the WARC bands were not even a dream, maybe.

The past CQWW CW allowed me to complete 40M DXCC for 4BDXCC. Focus will be on 80M now. Will I achieve that, considering my station and QTH, probably not. The upside is that I won't need another hobby if I fullfilled the goal. ;D


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N5VYS on December 06, 2017, 04:08:16 PM
My personal goal for the next solar cycle, is 5BDXCC in a single weekend. Both N3RS and K3WW did it in 2014: https://www.cqww.com/results/2014_cq_ww_dx_cw_results.pdf

Remember the vast majority of HF-active hams never even get to base DXCC.

That's my goal as well, but not in a weekend, in a lifetime. 5BDXCC is what I remember as the pinnacle of hamradio when I was a kid. I don't recall reading about Honor Roll, and the WARC bands were not even a dream, maybe.

The past CQWW CW allowed me to complete 40M DXCC for 4BDXCC. Focus will be on 80M now. Will I achieve that, considering my station and QTH, probably not. The upside is that I won't need another hobby if I fullfilled the goal. ;D
Take it One band at a time, for the first six, after then one step at a time?

Obie N5VYS


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 06, 2017, 04:43:10 PM

That's my goal as well, but not in a weekend, in a lifetime. 5BDXCC is what I remember as the pinnacle of hamradio when I was a kid. I don't recall reading about Honor Roll, and the WARC bands were not even a dream, maybe.

The past CQWW CW allowed me to complete 40M DXCC for 4BDXCC. Focus will be on 80M now. Will I achieve that, considering my station and QTH, probably not. The upside is that I won't need another hobby if I fullfilled the goal. ;D
Take it One band at a time, for the first six, after then one step at a time?

Obie N5VYS

Game plan for the next few years:

a) Work on 80M. With only 19 entities confirmed, there is room for growth;
b) Complete CW DXCC, 18 entities to go. Mixed, Phone, and Digital in the bag already;
c) 5BWAS. HI and AK on 80 will be 'fun';
d) Triple Play;
e) DXCC Challenge at 1000.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W2IRT on December 06, 2017, 07:13:39 PM
My personal goal for the next solar cycle, is 5BDXCC in a single weekend. Both N3RS and K3WW did it in 2014

I came fairly close myself a few years back. Maybe in the same contest. Over 100 on 10 through 40, and 77 or something like that on 80. That was wild. I think I topped 3M in that one.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: WD4ELG on December 06, 2017, 07:15:58 PM
VA3VF, what is your antenna setup for 80 meters? 


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 06, 2017, 07:23:39 PM
VA3VF, what is your antenna setup for 80 meters?  

....whispering....a Hustler 6BTV at ground level, with two random length radials. The backyard is 15x30 ft...you did not hear it from me.  ;D


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: KJ3N on December 06, 2017, 09:05:43 PM
Slightly off topic.  I also need Desecheo and Midway for ATNOs.  Does anyone else here need them too besides me and KM4SII :D

Don't need Desecheo (worked it on 7 bands), but still need Midway.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W1VT on December 06, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
My personal goal for the next solar cycle, is 5BDXCC in a single weekend. Both N3RS and K3WW did it in 2014: https://www.cqww.com/results/2014_cq_ww_dx_cw_results.pdf

Remember the vast majority of HF-active hams never even get to base DXCC.

I did 10M WAS during the 2014 10M contest after getting 5B WAS during this solar cycle.

I've found that CW is still by far the most effective mode for working new challenge points.
As I have 2228 Challenge points, new ones just don't show up very often on the digital modes.

Zack W1VT


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VK3MEG on December 07, 2017, 01:18:27 AM
i worked vp6 pitcairn on 80m  bu need this for a new one  10m would put a smileon m face but any band will do then slots


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N3QE on December 07, 2017, 05:04:56 AM
My personal goal for the next solar cycle, is 5BDXCC in a single weekend. Both N3RS and K3WW did it in 2014

I came fairly close myself a few years back. Maybe in the same contest. Over 100 on 10 through 40, and 77 or something like that on 80. That was wild. I think I topped 3M in that one.

I got 89 mults this year on 80M in that weekend, even though most of my dark hours were spent on 40M instead of 80M. If I used the DXCC list instead of CQ list that would drop a couple. I will have to look at N3RS and K3WW log and see how they did it (other than just "SO2R") and if they were over 100 by DXCC list or by CQ list. Even though it's a CQ contest I'm thinking to claim "DXCC in one weekend" it would have to be real DXCC's and not the expanded CQ list.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K5GS on December 07, 2017, 05:37:08 AM
i worked vp6 pitcairn on 80m  bu need this for a new one  10m would put a smileon m face but any band will do then slots


I received several e-mails about operation from Pitcairn Island.

While we "might" stop at Pitcairn for a few hours during the trip back to Mangareva, there is no plan to operate radio.

We do have a license for Pitcairn, if that plan changes we'll announce in the DX bulletins.

Cheers,
GS


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: KM4SII on December 07, 2017, 06:52:45 AM
i worked vp6 pitcairn on 80m  bu need this for a new one  10m would put a smileon m face but any band will do then slots

Funny thing is that the only band I have Pitcairn Island on is 10m  :)


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K2FW on December 07, 2017, 04:41:11 PM
VP6DX was one for the record books.
And I'm predicting that in less than a decade, anybody just starting out seriously today, and who has a simple amp and a Hexbeam will be between 325 and Honor Roll, with 7-, 8-, and 9-band/3-mode DXCC being comically easy. Is that a bad thing? No, but it takes the lustre off those plaques that used to be lifetime achievements for the generations before us.

With the ARRL now counting QSO's that Hams no longer have to hear,  it may be easier then you think.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N5VYS on December 08, 2017, 04:02:56 AM
Maybe or maybe not?

Obie N5VYS


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VK3HJ on December 08, 2017, 05:53:20 AM
With the ARRL now counting QSO's that Hams no longer have to hear,  it may be easier then you think.


I don't log QSO I can not hear.

I would rather read a good book.

Looking forward to hearing the guys on Ducie next year.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W1VT on December 08, 2017, 08:06:26 AM
I remember talking to a ham 30 years ago about the huge change  in which you no longer needed to be "old" to have worked every country on the active DXCC list.  You could now be at the very top of the Honor Roll and have a couple decades to go, just by starting out as a young DXer and just getting lucky at timing your career and family activities.  You could even have spent a couple years overseas...


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 08, 2017, 02:11:43 PM
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I don't log QSO I can not hear.


That's so 20th century. ;D

I don't log QSOs I cannot decode.

As long as the signal is there, I'm happy. ;D


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: N9AOP on December 08, 2017, 04:27:12 PM
Worked Ducie last time and looking forward to doing it again.
Art


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: WO7R on December 09, 2017, 02:33:25 AM
Well, we may be entering the era where QSOs are not necessarily heard, but if you don't want to be a total nuisance on the "JT" modes (especially FT8), you had better damn well see them on your waterfall and even the main display.

Anyone who things this stuff is fully automatic hasn't worked anything challenging.  You do have to pay attention to what's on display if you a) want to work anyone even "medium rare" and b) don't want to be a total nuisance on the bands.

It's just different skills than we have elsewhere.  To some extent, conventional RTTY has the same issues, actually.  I can and have worked RTTY with the sound off.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: K4HB on December 09, 2017, 06:47:03 AM
I don't log QSOs I don't hear either, if it's Phone or CW. If this conversation is about digital modes, they have a sound, even the newest FT8. You have the option to hear the sound or not, but it's still there. I guess the poster who brought this up was referring to us not being able to get intelligence from the sound alone, and needing a computer to decode the sound.

My question is, what's new? How is FT8 or any of the FT modes different from RTTY when it comes to needing a machine to decode the message? How many out there can copy RTTY in their head? Radioteletype on the amateur radio bands has been around longer than most of us have been breathing. I remember seeing a Kleinschmidt machine in a hamshack during the early 60s, and that thing was noisy. I found history of RTTY on the amateur bands dating back to 1946, and back to 1922 when the US Navy successfully transmitted between airplane and ground. Of course in recent years, the mark and space impulses are decoded by a computer sound card rather than a noisy machine, thank goodness. I operated teletype in the Air Force between 63-67, and I never want to hear another one of those machines again.

BTW: Totally off topic but nice to know... 3C0L and 3C1L uploaded to LoTW!


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 09, 2017, 06:57:55 AM
I don't log QSOs I don't hear either, if it's Phone or CW. If this conversation is about digital modes, they have a sound, even the newest FT8. You have the option to hear the sound or not, but it's still there. I guess the poster who brought this up was referring to us not being able to get intelligence from the sound alone, and needing a computer to decode the sound.

My question is, what's new? How is FT8 or any of the FT modes different from RTTY when it comes to needing a machine to decode the message? How many out there can copy RTTY in their head? Radioteletype on the amateur radio bands has been around longer than most of us have been breathing. I remember seeing a Kleinschmidt machine in a hamshack during the early 60s, and that thing was noisy. I found history of RTTY on the amateur bands dating back to 1946, and back to 1922 when the US Navy successfully transmitted between airplane and ground. Of course in recent years, the mark and space impulses are decoded by a computer sound card rather than a noisy machine, thank goodness. I operated teletype in the Air Force between 63-67, and I never want to hear another one of those machines again.


I actually started writing a post along the same lines as yours, but then I realized it would be a waste of time. We are dealing with personal agenda based comments here. One never wins these arguments, even if the other side eventually sees the light, pride prevents public admission of errors with many individuals. Some will argue to the bitter end, while others disappear, go silent.

Carry on having fun in any ethical and legal way possible. Logging a QSO is not mandatory, anyways.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VE3VEE on December 09, 2017, 07:45:08 AM

Carry on having fun in any ethical and legal way possible.


The above sentence is worth repeating... again and again... This is just a hobby... nothing more, and nothing less. People should be able to enjoy any aspect of this hobby without being subjected to the criticism of others who may happen not to currently enjoy a particular mode, or some new technology, or anything at all. Can we all get along? Let the FT8 users enjoy their FT8 QSOs, let CBers use their CB radio, let people use their stations remotely, let people enjoy their DX nets, or what ever. It's just a hobby for crying out loud. ;D

Marvin VE3VEE


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: WO7R on December 09, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
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Can we all get along?

We should be, but my entire experience at hamming says "no".

Some doggedly persist with the idea that DXing is a "competition" simply because the ARRL posts ordered lists.  Somehow, this is a trump argument for some.  Actually, it is the only such argument they have.  There's about a hundred reasons why it isn't, starting with the evident fact that we started at different times and so have different levels of achievement available to us (most of the lists include deleted countries which means most of us do not have the same "top" number).

But, they feel the competition aspect of it in their heart, so they persist.  It's not all bad -- it motivates some to keep DXing.

Where it hurts is where they think, in the teeth of the available evidence, that there is some sacred set of rules (almost all of them absent from the actual DXCC rules) that have to be defended to preserve the purity of our collective accomplishments.

But, this is not baseball or golf, where comparability (and competition over long spans of time) is much more reasonable.  There is no "comparability" because everything keeps changing.  We went from spark to narrower band modes.   From AM to SSB.  RTTY went from an expensive toy where you had to actually own a teletype or some other custom gear, to some scheme or other where you fed a PC's sound card output to your radio.  Countries were added.  Countries were deleted.  Heck, we aren't even supposed to call them countries any more.  On and on it goes.

None of that matters to the true believer in the unwritten rules.

And as a result, for every advance, every single one, there will be killjoys saying "this isn't real ham radio".  Eventually, after much "sturm and drang", they either decide to shut up (because even they are tired of or abandon their arguments in the face of reality) or perhaps even just die off.

Meanwhile, those joining our ranks over time have no reason to respect these supposed eternal verities (which aren't in the rules, mind you) and the vast majority do not.

If you think hard, you can probably come up with a dozen examples of this.  It's both predictable and tiring.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W1VT on December 09, 2017, 08:51:59 AM
Curiously enough, many of the "traditionalists" have fewer countries on the CW DXCC Standings list than I do--I'm currently sitting at 317.  And 3C0L will make it 318 when I file another application.  Most of mine were worked after having a stroke and re-learning how to send CW again despite ataxia issues.

Zack W1VT


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 09, 2017, 09:26:13 AM

Meanwhile, those joining our ranks over time have no reason to respect these supposed eternal verities (which aren't in the rules, mind you) and the vast majority do not.


Those joining, or about to join, may have second thoughts about what they just did, or were about to do, because of the 'killjoys' infesting the forums.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 09, 2017, 09:28:25 AM
Most of mine were worked after having a stroke and re-learning how to send CW again despite ataxia issues.

Zack W1VT

Zack, I did not know about your stroke. I'm very happy that you are back in fine form. Well done!!!


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W1VT on December 09, 2017, 11:23:42 AM
Thanks!  It took a lot of work to rehab completely from a stroke but I think the results are worth it!

Zack W1VT


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: WA8UEG on December 09, 2017, 12:02:58 PM
Curiously enough, many of the "traditionalists" have fewer countries on the CW DXCC Standings list than I do--I'm currently sitting at 317.  And 3C0L will make it 318 when I file another application.  Most of mine were worked after having a stroke and re-learning how to send CW again despite ataxia issues.

Zack W1VT

If you use LOTW they confirmed my QSO today.


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: W1VT on December 09, 2017, 03:05:45 PM
Yes, I got the LoTW QSLs, but those won't show up in the DXCC Standings until I actually file an application. I also got a bunch of 40M QSLs that pushed my 40M total to 251--another endorsement sticker.

Zack W1VT


Title: RE: VP6D - DUCIE ISLAND
Post by: VA3VF on December 09, 2017, 03:10:18 PM
Thanks!  It took a lot of work to rehab completely from a stroke but I think the results are worth it!

Zack W1VT

They most certainly are!!! For you first and foremost, but also for us. We learn a lot from your expertise.