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Title: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: W1PYZ on February 22, 2018, 09:44:14 AM
Anyone seen this?

http://www.news.gatech.edu/2016/10/27/learning-morse-code-without-trying

de Dennis
W1PYZ


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: K8AXW on February 22, 2018, 10:04:24 AM
While I seldom jump to conclusions without researching a subject, I will this time by saying, "If we could just figure out a way of sacking this load up, we could become rich selling fertilizer!" We could name it, "Southern States Concentrated BS."

IMHO, this one is even more ludicrous than "learning Morse code while one sleeps!"


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: NI0C on February 22, 2018, 10:20:23 AM
Looks like yet another gimmick to research. Too many would be CW operators spend too much time looking for the "optimum" method of learning the code instead of just picking a method and working at it.


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: W4KYR on February 22, 2018, 10:33:39 AM
Anyone seen this?

http://www.news.gatech.edu/2016/10/27/learning-morse-code-without-trying

de Dennis
W1PYZ
From the article

"In the study, participants played a game while feeling vibration taps between their temple and ear. The taps represented the dots and dashes of Morse code and passively “taught” users through their tactile senses — even while they were distracted by the game.

The taps were created when researchers sent a very low-frequency signal to Glass’s speaker system. At less than 15 Hz, the signal was below hearing range but, because it was played very slowly, the sound was felt as a vibration."


The article doesn't say what character rate or how many words per minute. Nor does it explain how learning Morse Code by vibration taps will help someone decode an actual QSO off the radio. 


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: KE6EE on February 22, 2018, 10:52:48 AM
It's too bad that learning something new has become so distasteful to so many.

The human brain is a natual learning machine. When people forget that, they are lost.


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: PA0WV on February 22, 2018, 10:53:56 AM
The article said:

"After less than four hours of feeling every letter, everyone was challenged to type the alphabet in Morse code in a final test.".
Is that 4 hour per letter?

If not, It is meant for text entry not for copy i.e. translating sound in text. Hence QRSS sending instead of listening.

I designed and constructed some time ago the MSIA, that produces Morse code by sound, tactile and visual, at the same time, as an aid for a QRQQ-er SV2KBS to increase the speed reached at RUFZXP

https://pa0wv.home.xs4all.nl/pdfbestanden/MSIA.pdf

I had not the impression that it helped despite intensive training.


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: W3JJW on February 22, 2018, 12:02:36 PM
The article said:

"After less than four hours of feeling every letter, everyone was challenged to type the alphabet in Morse code in a final test.".
Is that 4 hour per letter?

If not, It is meant for text entry not for copy i.e. translating sound in text. Hence QRSS sending instead of listening.

I designed and constructed some time ago the MSIA, that produces Morse code by sound, tactile and visual, at the same time, as an aid for a QRQQ-er SV2KBS to increase the speed reached at RUFZXP

https://pa0wv.home.xs4all.nl/pdfbestanden/MSIA.pdf

I had not the impression that it helped despite intensive training.

Maar moelijk als je Nederlands niet kunnen lezen (of schreven)!  Leuk, hoor!  (Mijn vrouw is Dutch...maar vanuit Limberg, dus zaachte G en zo.  Groetjes!)

jay


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: WY4J on February 24, 2018, 10:47:20 AM
Guess if it appears on the internet it has to be true. Wow, 4 hours banging on your skull and you are ready to go. I wonder if you can speed up the process if you use a couple of hammers. Two hours maybe? How about jackhammer? I'm sure it will cut the time to 15 minutes.

There are no gimmicks or shortcuts to learning morse code. I was a kid when I learned CW and it took me two weeks to learn the entire alphabet and numbers and after 42 years I still have no need for a microphone. But a ham can never own enough keys and paddles.

My two cent worth...73 de WY4J.


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: K7KBN on February 24, 2018, 01:53:06 PM
This seems to explain the "Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech" thing.


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: K8AXW on February 24, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
I think this is another result of a "government study."  Our tax money at work!


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: HB9FXW on February 25, 2018, 02:39:34 AM
If I read that correctly, it only taught them how to send. There's no indication on the speed they reached. 1-2 WPM, I'd guess. I'm pretty confident none of these test subjects would be able to decode an actual QSO, even at 5 WPM.

I've spent hundreds of hours learning the code and I still consider myself as a newbie: I still miss letters or whole words in almost every QSO I make. A 4 hours shortcut would have been welcome, but I wouldn't spend a dime on it...


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: KB4MNG on February 25, 2018, 06:04:34 AM
Learning CW is like learning anything else, repetition. What varies with individuals is the amount of repetition to achieve the goal.

I pretty much head copy cw at 20 + wpm. It took awhile for me to get there, just have to constantly use cw.


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: WA8UEG on February 25, 2018, 02:43:46 PM
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Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: W4KYR on February 25, 2018, 04:52:40 PM
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Cash or money order only.
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Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: WA2ONH on February 28, 2018, 06:50:56 AM
... And now for something completely different...

Morse code shoes send toe tapping texts at MWC 2018 (2.2 Min VIDEO)
A pair of smart shoes has been created to let industrial workers keep in touch via toe-typed coded messages.

The footwear was inspired by Morse code, but made possible by the latest communication technologies.

BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones meets the firm responsible at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona.

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-43205947/morse-code-shoes-send-toe-tapping-texts-at-mwc-2018




Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: N2EY on February 28, 2018, 08:53:03 AM
But.....what if it actually works?

I see a lot of pooh-poohing of the idea, claims that there are no shortcuts, etc.

What if it actually makes learning Morse faster and easier?

Does any of us know enough about how people learn skills to say that it cannot work?


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: K8AXW on February 28, 2018, 09:44:08 AM
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Does any of us know enough about how people learn skills to say that it cannot work?

Yes!


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: N2EY on February 28, 2018, 10:45:18 AM
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Does any of us know enough about how people learn skills to say that it cannot work?

Yes!

Who would that be?


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: KE6EE on February 28, 2018, 04:01:55 PM
Who would that be?

Anyone who has studied developmental psychology, clinically or otherwise. Also, most informed educators.

How people learn is a central topic of scientific investigation in our culture.

And beyond scientific or academic study, many people are aware of the importance of focus, relaxation, personal interest,
enjoyment, repetition and social setting.


Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: K8AXW on February 28, 2018, 08:32:00 PM
EE:  Well said. I worked in a power plant for 22 years and then a power center (The "center" also housed 5 large steam generators) for 16 years. Along with operating I also trained men on a daily basis for 8 years.  After that I 'unofficially' trained men because I am one of those guys that had to know what was between the "button" and what it controlled. 

Prior to that I was responsible for a platoon of GIs. So although I haven't professional training in teaching, I have a pretty good background in knowing how people learn.  



Title: RE: Learn CW in 4 hrs Georgia Tech
Post by: KE6EE on February 28, 2018, 10:16:08 PM
AXW: I only mentioned "social setting" and I neglected to specify a "a good teacher" or, even better, "a great teacher."

Your comment brought to mind memories of the many good and great teachers I've run across in all the different jobs
I've worked at.

Maybe the teacher is the most vital aspect of learning.

So much for all those "best" computer programs.