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Title: An Open Letter...
Post by: AD8DT on March 12, 2018, 09:55:37 AM
... to the two or three (unidentified) station operators who QRMed and then totally disrupted the North American Traffic and Awards Net on 3.835 MHz at approximately 0010 UTC on March 11, 2018:

Congratulations on providing the worst possible example of Amateur Radio operating procedures, and leaving a lasting negative impression on the 30 or so station operators participating in the net, some of whom were new and inexperienced operators.

A refresher on FCC regulations and accepted Amateur Radio operating practice seems to be in order, even though you were obviously experienced operators.

1) Standard procedure, before starting a QSO, is to first listen on the frequency you wish to use. Provided you hear nothing, the next step is to ask, on air, if the frequency is in use. If you hear a reply, the proper procedure is to QSY to another frequency and begin the process again. "A net? Not gonna happen here" is NOT an acceptable response to "The frequency is in use.", followed by a station ID. Continuation of your QSO on the same frequency is a violation of FCC Part 97 regulations and acceptable Amateur Radio Practice.

2) As you well know, no station or group "owns" any particular frequency at any given time. Frequencies are used on a first-come, first-served basis, except in the unique circumstances of a bona fide emergency. Your regular rag-chew does not qualify.

3) Had you identified your station(s), you would have been reported to the FCC for the violations. You did not, and therefore avoided any disciplinary action, including possible license revocation, which you so richly deserve.

Be aware that this frequency will be monitored daily at and around the time of the violation and any further violation reported to the FCC.

David Thorpe, W8WMM


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N8YX on March 12, 2018, 10:19:25 AM
Oh...this ought to be good...


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K1FBI on March 12, 2018, 11:18:08 AM
No need to ask if the frequency is in use if you haven't heard any activity in the past 5 minutes. Since no one owns the frequency you can't "hold" it in radio silence.

The standing by for pre-pre-Net check-in nonsense doesn't cut it either.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: ND6M on March 12, 2018, 11:20:36 AM
He posted this exact same thing on that "other" forum... and ..............GASP... is getting nice comments. ::)


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K4JJL on March 12, 2018, 11:22:11 AM
I'd imagine this is the addressee's reaction...

(https://i.imgur.com/xhJgAlN.gif)


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N8YX on March 12, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
He posted this exact same thing on that "other" forum... and ..............GASP... is getting nice comments. ::)
Shades of the old Marconi Net, perhaps?


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: W8JX on March 12, 2018, 04:54:27 PM
No need to ask if the frequency is in use if you haven't heard any activity in the past 5 minutes. Since no one owns the frequency you can't "hold" it in radio silence.

Not best advise since some are long winded and a ID is required every ten minutes so frequency can be in use and you cannot hear other half in just 5 minutes. So always best to check.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K9MHZ on March 12, 2018, 05:12:14 PM
Be aware that this frequency will be monitored daily at and around the time of the violation and any further violation reported to the FCC.

Do you honestly believe that this will do anything other than amuse those guys?  The FCC enforcing anything...today?


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KM1H on March 12, 2018, 05:45:05 PM
YAWN

Why blabber and bluster on here? 75 hasnt changed since it was created. Im sure there are forums for rants especially that "other place" which is more into that stuff.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K1FBI on March 12, 2018, 06:26:02 PM

Not best advise since some are long winded and a ID is required every ten minutes so frequency can be in use and you cannot hear other half in just 5 minutes. So always best to check.


Here is some better advice:

Don't talk 10 minutes straight before ID'ing and allowing the other stations to get a word in, or worse yet talk for 10 more minutes.

Doing so becomes a broadcast and that's prohibited. Also your amp tubes are probably melting by now.

In such a scenario you would have some really good friends if anyone was still listening to your blabbering after 10 minutes.

Now that's some Extra REAL advise.⚠️


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: W8JX on March 12, 2018, 09:09:48 PM

Here is some better advice:

Don't talk 10 minutes straight before ID'ing and allowing the other stations to get a word in,

Real depends on nature of chat, A two way can go 5 minutes or more while a round table is typically less

Now that's some Extra REAL advise.⚠️

Not really, best advise is to QRZ when in doubt.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: AA4HA on March 13, 2018, 06:02:56 AM
Is it meant that the net could not QSY to a different frequency when there was a pre-existing QSO?

How does that work?  "Hey you guys, get off of our frequency, we are about to start an 'impotent net on this freq!"?


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: W8JX on March 13, 2018, 06:16:15 AM
Is it meant that the net could not QSY to a different frequency when there was a pre-existing QSO?

How does that work?  "Hey you guys, get off of our frequency, we are about to start an 'impotent net on this freq!"?

Well it is kinda a unwritten rule when a scheduled net needs frequency, you QSY.   


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K1FBI on March 13, 2018, 06:44:13 AM
Is it meant that the net could not QSY to a different frequency when there was a pre-existing QSO?

How does that work?  "Hey you guys, get off of our frequency, we are about to start an 'impotent net on this freq!"?

Apparently they only borrow a time slot. As the last sentence of their preamble hands the frequency off to the next net, which must own that frequency. Ironic that they return it to "REGULAR AMATEUR USE" which they consider OMISS.  ::)

"WE NOW RETURN THIS FREQUENCY TO REGULAR AMATEUR USE, THE OMISS NET CONTROLLER."

http://www.natanet.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9&Itemid=320



Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: AA4HA on March 13, 2018, 07:22:42 AM
Nobody owns anything. It is first-come, first-serve, unless it is emergency traffic and that takes prescience and can break in on any frequency.

It is unreasonable to expect every ham to keep track of what nets are going to pop up on what frequency. If a frequency is already in use then you QSY.

Most nets should have some established procedures that if the frequency is already in use than you should do something like QSY +2 KHz and if that too is in use then QSY -2 KHz from the original frequency.

Amateur radio is founded around the idea of QSO's with anyone who happens to spin the dial and light on a frequency while you are calling CQ. The practice has ended up becoming a bunch of bitchy people who feel that it is "their" frequency and they set a watch on that spot and snarl at anyone who starts calling on that spot; no matter how far in advance of their private net-time.

I have been sniped at several times to "move off" 10-20 minutes before a net was planning on starting. Sometimes I just lay-low and listen (after all, it must be 'impotent net-stuff) only to hear it start out all formal sounding with the net-announcement and then to turn in to a hour long gab-fest for the proctology, erectile dysfunction and boils net.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: W8JX on March 13, 2018, 07:39:21 AM
It is unreasonable to expect every ham to keep track of what nets are going to pop up on what frequency.

There are not that many nets and if you have been around a long time you know there around and steer clear. It is not a big deal to QSY but it seems some would suggest it is a free for all shout match. That is not was Ham radio was but it seems "modern" want to change rules that worked well in past for many decades. 


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: ND6M on March 13, 2018, 07:49:15 AM
...
There are not that many nets and if you have been around a long time you know there around and steer clear.... 

I remember quite a few years ago, that I once heard a net on 3.782.1234 MCs.......... I haven't used that freq since. ::)


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K4JJL on March 13, 2018, 07:59:52 AM

Doing so becomes a broadcast and that's prohibited. Also your amp tubes are probably melting by now.


Unless you own an Alpha.  Remember the advertisement back in the day with a brick sitting on the key?


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N8YX on March 13, 2018, 08:32:56 AM
Well it is kinda a unwritten rule when a scheduled net needs frequency, you QSY.   
Wrong.

See FCC vs. Misek et al (W1CWR and the Liberty Net, c. 1999) for clarification on the matter. There are other examples if one bothers to dig.

First come; first served. Period.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K9MHZ on March 13, 2018, 08:37:15 AM
I once heard a net on 3.782.1234 MCs.......... I haven't used that freq since. ::)

Trying to remember....wasn't there a crystal oscillator freq in console TVs back in the day, that was somewhere around that frequency?  I remember grabbing those crystals out of old discarded sets, and using them on 80 or 75.  Seemed like the stamped frequency on them went to five or six significant digits.... maybe in the neighborhood of 3883.12345 kc or something.  Lots of people had them, and dropped them into simple homebrew transmitters.

Dunno.

 


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N8YX on March 13, 2018, 08:45:47 AM
I once heard a net on 3.782.1234 MCs.......... I haven't used that freq since. ::)
Trying to remember....wasn't there a crystal oscillator freq in console TVs back in the day, that was somewhere around that frequency?
3.579545MHz is the rock you're after.  ;)


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N9AOP on March 13, 2018, 08:57:10 AM
My rub with traffic nets today is that they are still using voice.  Digital is faster and more efficient.  Also, what soured me on the traffic nets is that I got 3 messages in a short time and when I delivered them to the 3 recipients  I was told that they died a while ago. 

One thing is for sure, whether these nets are good or bad, there will always someone who will get on the net frequency 1 minute before the net starts and monopolize it just because they can rather than select another frequency.  Makes you think you are on 7.200.
Art


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K1FBI on March 13, 2018, 09:01:33 AM

Doing so becomes a broadcast and that's prohibited. Also your amp tubes are probably melting by now.


Unless you own an Alpha.  Remember the advertisement back in the day with a brick sitting on the key?

Yes, great ad! Unfortunately my budget says Heathkit or Ameritron.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KC8KTN on March 13, 2018, 11:13:12 AM
I have one question. Can an open letter be wrote if that same person has a closed mind on the subject.? What is the big deal if a couple of Donkeys mess with a net on 80 meters. Try an hold a net on 7.200 just a thought. This is why I am studying for Extra Class to get out of general area.Have a safe and blessed day.73s


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: W4KVW on March 13, 2018, 12:34:33 PM
No need to ask if the frequency is in use if you haven't heard any activity in the past 5 minutes. Since no one owns the frequency you can't "hold" it in radio silence.

The standing by for pre-pre-Net check-in nonsense doesn't cut it either.


LOL,they will have you on Santa's Naughty list from every Net around the globe. LOL Now we all know that these nets are Important stuff & you can ask anyone who wastes their time on them & they will tell you how they are saving the world from something but they are just not sure what it is.Waste 5 minutes of your life & listen to any of them & you can get a weather report,medical report,how many squirrels their dog chased yesterday afternoon,& what they had for breakfast, lunch,& what's on the menu for dinner over & over & over again for the entire important bunch.Saving the world one checkin at a time & as many say just check me in for the numbers.LOL I guess them numbers are Important stuff? {:>) The nets are almost Important as those Contests that wipe out the bands most every weekend because the ARRL says it's a great way to make lots of noise on all except the WARC Bands but I'm sure because they are so out of touch that next they will say we should have WARC BAND Contest weekends at least 48 weekends a year like so many other Stupid ideas they push.By the way you are 5x9 & thanks for checking into the Loose Nut Net & 73.   :D ;D ;)

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N8YX on March 13, 2018, 01:12:33 PM
Try an hold a net on 7.200 just a thought.
Not an issue if you have enough amplifier and antenna.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: W8JX on March 13, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
Try an hold a net on 7.200 just a thought.
Not an issue if you have enough amplifier and antenna.

Antenna will not fix that unless it is very directive and can notch out 40 db or more


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N8YX on March 13, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
Try an hold a net on 7.200 just a thought.
Not an issue if you have enough amplifier and antenna.

Antenna will not fix that unless it is very directive and can notch out 40 db or more
An electrically steerable null is a wonderful thing. A legal null is an even better one.

I look for the latter to eventually deal with much of that particular "problem".


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KC8KTN on March 13, 2018, 04:14:08 PM
Lets not make fun of nets.  After zombie apocalypse they will be very very useful.Just an open ended thought. Be safe. Turning it back to net control.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: W4KVW on March 13, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
Lets not make fun of nets.  After zombie apocalypse they will be very very useful.Just an open ended thought. Be safe. Turning it back to net control.

 :D ;D ;)  LOL now that there is FUNNY I don't care who you are.I actually think some of these nets have a lot of Zombies that check into them or at least they smell like it anyways when you pass them at a Hamfest.  :o ::) :P Back over to NUT control. hehe

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 13, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
Lets not make fun of nets.  After zombie apocalypse they will be very very useful.Just an open ended thought. Be safe. Turning it back to net control.

 :D ;D ;)  LOL now that there is FUNNY I don't care who you are.I actually think some of these nets have a lot of Zombies that check into them or at least they smell like it anyways when you pass them at a Hamfest.  :o ::) :P Back over to NUT control. hehe

Clayton
W4KVW
Nut control. Good grief!  :D ;)


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KOP on March 21, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Lets not make fun of nets.  After zombie apocalypse they will be very very useful.Just an open ended thought. Be safe. Turning it back to net control.

Chuck, did you change writers ? This one actually has a definable sense of humor. I recommend you keep them on staff  . ;D ;D


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: AC7CW on March 21, 2018, 10:36:03 AM
My rub with traffic nets today is that they are still using voice.  Digital is faster and more efficient.  Also, what soured me on the traffic nets is that I got 3 messages in a short time and when I delivered them to the 3 recipients  I was told that they died a while ago. 

One thing is for sure, whether these nets are good or bad, there will always someone who will get on the net frequency 1 minute before the net starts and monopolize it just because they can rather than select another frequency.  Makes you think you are on 7.200.
Art

Agreed, it's been demonstrated many times over a few decades that traffic via voice results in garbled messages. CW is a lot better but a chatty digital mode needs to come to the forefront eventually and be used for traffic, especially if it can work in worse conditions than CW, which is almost certain to be true of any digital mode. Jammers might not be able to stay on top of a digital mode. I tried to use a repeater that was designated for emergency comms after the Northridge earthquake. Some sicko was jamming it for several days, making sick comments, etc... Voice comms just opens things up to abusive psychos.

I'm underfunded right now but eventually I'll have a portable rig that forwards cellphone generated texts so that all the health and welfare messaging can be done by the very individuals that need to get their message out. A ham in Texas offered such a rig last year and I've completely lost the link to him so I don't know if it's still available. It might be great if every club had one. Facebook has a way to text a health and welfare post and have it appear on a user's page, maybe it would be good to integrate everything with Facebook, or Twitter or whatever is in vogue at the time...


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N0XAX on March 21, 2018, 11:15:19 PM
FCC Enforcement?  Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! To the original op, welcome to 2018 on the amateur bands! Far be it from me to tell you how to spend your time, but that post was a waste of time.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K1FBI on March 22, 2018, 04:12:31 AM

Agreed, it's been demonstrated many times over a few decades that traffic via voice results in garbled messages. CW is a lot better but a chatty digital mode needs to come to the forefront eventually and be used for traffic, especially if it can work in worse conditions than CW, which is almost certain to be true of any digital mode. Jammers might not be able to stay on top of a digital mode. I tried to use a repeater that was designated for emergency comms after the Northridge earthquake. Some sicko was jamming it for several days, making sick comments, etc... Voice comms just opens things up to abusive psychos.

I'm underfunded right now but eventually I'll have a portable rig that forwards cellphone generated texts so that all the health and welfare messaging can be done by the very individuals that need to get their message out. A ham in Texas offered such a rig last year and I've completely lost the link to him so I don't know if it's still available. It might be great if every club had one. Facebook has a way to text a health and welfare post and have it appear on a user's page, maybe it would be good to integrate everything with Facebook, or Twitter or whatever is in vogue at the time...
Maybe Verizon and the FCC could get together and include a free Extra license with every new phone contract. Higher end phones can also include a florescent colored safety vest.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: W8JX on March 22, 2018, 04:35:28 AM
Maybe Verizon and the FCC could get together and include a free Extra license with every new phone contract.

As far fetched as this sounds, it is within the realm of possibly given what has happened to ham radio


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N0YXB on March 22, 2018, 06:55:27 AM
Maybe Verizon and the FCC could get together and include a free Extra license with every new phone contract.

As far fetched as this sounds, it is within the realm of possibly given what has happened to ham radio

Nope.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: AC7CW on March 22, 2018, 08:31:45 AM
1) I park my mobile in the center of town after a disaster 2) I invite the public to bring their smartphones 3) they connect to my wifi and tell their friends and family they are ok using communication methods they and their friends and family are accustomed to. I don't see much of a problem...


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KOP on March 22, 2018, 09:30:40 AM
Maybe Verizon and the FCC could get together and include a free Extra license with every new phone contract.

As far fetched as this sounds, it is within the realm of possibly given what has happened to ham radio


You passed the exams, at whatever level, that were available to you at that time. If a code requirement had been reduced or eliminated, that was beyond your control. So from my point of view, if you have an FCC issued license, you passed those tests, and you are an Amateur Radio Operator. Period.

I don’t care if you’re a No Code Tech or a Tech Plus or an Old school Tech. I don’t care if you are or consider your a General Lite, Advanced Lite, or Extra Lite; or for that matter, No Code General, Advanced, or Extra, whatever the heck those are supposed to actually mean. I don’t care if you passed a Novice and still hold that.

You’re an Amateur Radio Operator. A Ham. A member of our community. Period. End Discussion.

Anything else is divisive, demeaning, misleading, and in some cases, insulting. To say nothing of a waste of time and bandwith to argue over trivia.

You’re a ham. Regardless of license class or time in the saddle or activity level.

John, you tired litany bores to irrational extreme. At every chance, at every opportunity it becomes all about you, when and how you got your license, and how anyone that followed after is something less.

Just what have you done for, rather than to amateur radio lately? Rather than demean and denigrate, what have you done to support and educate? What, other than contribute to to your immensely inflated self importance at the expense of others have you given back to the community? With privilege comes responsibility. John, you have a responsibility to represent all within amateur radio. As an extra class licensee you should be representing amateur radio with an extra amount of class, yet you continue to be a cancer, spewing forth poisonous innuendo. 

John, cancel your license. No matter how you earned it you don't deserve it. For all your professing the demise of amateur radio it is you, and amateurs like you, that present the greatest threat to the continuing growth and existence of amateur radio. Give your equipment DARA, not that they need it but even they would put it to better use. Cancel your membership here and any other forum having to do with amateur radio. Your disgusting commentary isn't wanted or needed. Your very presence within amateur radio diminishes us all.

AF7XT 


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N8YX on March 22, 2018, 09:47:07 AM
^^^ Pure GENIUS, that post. Well written, sir. ^^^


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: W8JX on March 22, 2018, 09:57:02 AM
you are an Amateur Radio Operator. Period.

Not really, requirement were greatly reduced for commercial lobbying for more profit and the ticket today mean little compared to past.

The point is if there is more profit to be made with free give away tickets (that are nearly that now) it is just a matter of time before it happens as they have long gutted standards and enforcement.

If anyone should cancel ticket its DARA, they close up shop and let someone else do the show because last year they showed that they learn nothing about a proper venue.

You attack the truth and prefer the fake stories and excuses.

^^^ Pure GENIUS, that post. Well written, sir. ^^^

Genius? more like serious denial...


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N2EY on March 22, 2018, 10:20:13 AM
Maybe Verizon and the FCC could get together and include a free Extra license with every new phone contract.

As far fetched as this sounds, it is within the realm of possibly given what has happened to ham radio

No it isn't.

Some things have changed. Some things haven't.



Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N2EY on March 22, 2018, 10:31:47 AM
You passed the exams, at whatever level, that were available to you at that time. If a code requirement had been reduced or eliminated, that was beyond your control. So from my point of view, if you have an FCC issued license, you passed those tests, and you are an Amateur Radio Operator. Period.

I don’t care if you’re a No Code Tech or a Tech Plus or an Old school Tech. I don’t care if you are or consider your a General Lite, Advanced Lite, or Extra Lite; or for that matter, No Code General, Advanced, or Extra, whatever the heck those are supposed to actually mean. I don’t care if you passed a Novice and still hold that.

You’re an Amateur Radio Operator. A Ham. A member of our community. Period. End Discussion.

Anything else is divisive, demeaning, misleading, and in some cases, insulting. To say nothing of a waste of time and bandwith to argue over trivia.

You’re a ham. Regardless of license class or time in the saddle or activity level.

John, you tired litany bores to irrational extreme. At every chance, at every opportunity it becomes all about you, when and how you got your license, and how anyone that followed after is something less.

Just what have you done for, rather than to amateur radio lately? Rather than demean and denigrate, what have you done to support and educate? What, other than contribute to to your immensely inflated self importance at the expense of others have you given back to the community? With privilege comes responsibility. John, you have a responsibility to represent all within amateur radio. As an extra class licensee you should be representing amateur radio with an extra amount of class, yet you continue to be a cancer, spewing forth poisonous innuendo. 

John, cancel your license. No matter how you earned it you don't deserve it. For all your professing the demise of amateur radio it is you, and amateurs like you, that present the greatest threat to the continuing growth and existence of amateur radio. Give your equipment DARA, not that they need it but even they would put it to better use. Cancel your membership here and any other forum having to do with amateur radio. Your disgusting commentary isn't wanted or needed. Your very presence within amateur radio diminishes us all.  

Well said, sir!

I say this as someone who has been a ham more than 50 years and has seen all the changes in that time. Some were good, some were bad. Overall, I say Amateur Radio is in good shape. Sure, there are problems - but there have ALWAYS been problems.

I went from Novice to Extra in less than 3 years. Would have been 2 years but the Extra used to require 2 years' experience. I took all the exams except Novice at the FCC office in Philly, back in the days of code sending and receiving, secret writtens, the whole mess. No VEs, no Bash books, no CSCEs. My callsign is so old it is not a vanity call. Yada yada yada.

(I didn't have to walk barefoot in the snow - instead, I braved summer heat and humidity, and the office wasn't air-conditioned. No "ten miles uphill both ways", either - less than mile to 69th street, then a subway ride and a short walk at the other end. No big deal, really. Piece of cake. )

My license just says "Amateur Extra", same as everyone else's who passed the tests which were in effect when they got theirs.

And I say what reallymatters is what someone does after they get the license. The addy-tood they display towards others, the example they set, etc.

The day I stop learning is the day I start dying. Today is not that day.

73 de Jim, N2EY



Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N0XAX on March 22, 2018, 01:12:35 PM
It says on this piece of paper I got from the FCC "Amateur Radio License" So that must mean that I'm an amateur radio operator. Some of the CW curmudgeons will beat this horse until it's bag of bones! Notice I said "some". What did Rodney King say? Can't we all just get along!


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 22, 2018, 02:29:26 PM
If the frequency was not being used prior to the net all is good.  Sounds like other people just wanted to make trouble for the net.   


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K1FBI on March 22, 2018, 05:36:42 PM
Maybe Verizon and the FCC could get together and include a free Extra license with every new phone contract.

As far fetched as this sounds, it is within the realm of possibly given what has happened to ham radio

No it isn't.

Some things have changed. Some things haven't.


Never say never.
 KAHN1356; my old CB call sign.
Remember when a license was required?


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: ND6M on March 22, 2018, 05:41:35 PM
... edit...
Not really,...

Yadda, Yadda, and more Yadda.............

Won't be long and he will be whining about a ham fest that he doesn't attend,......Again.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 22, 2018, 05:43:35 PM
Does the FCC enforce the freeband guys? 


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 22, 2018, 06:38:33 PM
Maybe Verizon and the FCC could get together and include a free Extra license with every new phone contract.

As far fetched as this sounds, it is within the realm of possibly given what has happened to ham radio

No it isn't.

Some things have changed. Some things haven't.


Never say never.
 KAHN1356; my old CB call sign.
Remember when a license was required?

KBSG8019. Yeah I remember it. Been sniffing into the ether for many days now...


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N0YXB on March 22, 2018, 07:08:37 PM
... edit...
Not really,...

Yadda, Yadda, and more Yadda.............

Won't be long and he will be whining about a ham fest that he doesn't attend,......Again.

Yep, or the FT-450, and a few other predictable triggers.   

https://hbr.org/2014/03/why-are-some-people-so-critical (https://hbr.org/2014/03/why-are-some-people-so-critical)


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K9MHZ on March 23, 2018, 11:29:40 AM
LOL!


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K9MHZ on March 23, 2018, 11:32:57 AM
Does the FCC enforce the freeband guys?

It's a cesspool that they leave alone.  They wouldn't be able to collect any fines from the trailer park 10-20s of those idiots anyway.  Now that TV is cable etc, the first harmonic doesn't get into any TVs today.  Problem solved.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 24, 2018, 09:45:43 AM






Nobody OWNS anything!! If the net is not a problem for anyone on the frequency all is good.  If the net wants to talk about impotent net-stuff that's fine.  If it turns into a hour long gab-fest for erectile dysfunction and boils that is OK too.   


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 24, 2018, 01:54:48 PM
Oh boy


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 25, 2018, 12:43:45 AM
I was working in the shack the other day on a rig I was fixing for a friend of mine.  I had it on the bench and had my rig on listening on 40 meters around 7.150 I think it was.  Anyway there was no activity for at least 45 minutes but I didn't care I was working on a rig just listening to background static.  A gentleman came in and asked if the freq was in use and gave his call.  Another gentleman came back to him and said yes it is without giving his call.  Band conditions lately are bad so I thought I couldn't hear the QSO that was going on.  About 15 minutes later another person asked if the freq was in use and gave his call.  Same response yes it is without a callsign.  To me it sounded like the same person but I don't know he didn't use a callsign.  This guy asked him for his call.  No response.  He asked again if the freq was in use. No response.  He asked again if the freq was in use no response.  Now I'm listening and the guy calls CQ twice someone came back to him and they were having a great QSO.  That is when all the jamming, music playing, carriers ETC... started happening.  They finally just signed and left.     


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K9MHZ on March 25, 2018, 06:33:10 AM
....without a callsign.  ....he didn't use a callsign.  This guy asked him for his call.  No response...... No response.
Pot, meet kettle.
Hmmmm.....


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 25, 2018, 10:20:13 AM
This is a internet forum that does not require it's users to use a callsign, name ETC... just a username like almost ALL internet forums do.  If you would like that to change please voice your concerns to E-Ham.  On the air you are required to identify yourself.  What I heard on the air and described above is a example of what is becoming the norm.  I own this freq and will run you off without identifying myself.  That's exactly what happened.  Very sad.   


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K9MHZ on March 25, 2018, 10:48:14 AM
Well, whatever ridiculously inconsistent logic soothes your conscience, I suppose.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 25, 2018, 01:48:04 PM
What I said is what I mean.  If you can't understand it that's unfortunate.  I don't think I could have made it more simple to understand.     


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K9MHZ on March 25, 2018, 01:50:48 PM
Uh, clarity wasn't the issue, OM.  Sorry you don't understand that.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 25, 2018, 02:05:38 PM
When you ain't got no money, you gotta get an attitude. 


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 25, 2018, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from:  link=topic=119624.msg1062443#msg1062443 date=1522010884
What I said is what I mean.  If you can't understand it that's unfortunate.  I don't think I could have made it more simple to understand.     

I think what K9MHZ meant to say was that even though the forum allows anonymous (meaning without call sign) account creations, the inhabitants of some of the forums give more "street cred" to posters that use an actual call sign vs a "handle", because it's looked at as just that - a handle. Which upsets some of the inmates in the asylum around here. Hopefully that makes it more clear as to why the static crashes of late you are experiencing here on the frequency.

Thanks for your check in, any traffic for the net?


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KOP on March 25, 2018, 03:34:01 PM
This is a internet forum that does not require it's users to use a callsign, name ETC... just a username like almost ALL internet forums do.  If you would like that to change please voice your concerns to E-Ham.  ~snip 

BOOMBA , It's well known who I am. I just never got around to changing the Nic here. While I'm at it I do have some input on freebanders that I choose not to share here. Feel free to ask off forum anytime.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 25, 2018, 04:02:21 PM
I don't care who any of you are within this internet forum.  The content of your speech and points you make are what defines you.  If your stupid you will prove it via keyboard.  If your not you won't.   


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 25, 2018, 04:24:30 PM
Quote from:  link=topic=119624.msg1062478#msg1062478 date=1522018941
I don't care who any of you are within this internet forum.  The content of your speech and points you make are what defines you.  If your stupid you will prove it via keyboard.  If your not you won't.   

I won't say it, but maybe if you read real close between the lines you will understand what I think of that last statement and where it just firmly planted you.

Hint - I don't deal well with stupid. Ask a certain 8 land member of the group how I get with stupid. You are correct in that your speech and contents of said speech also define your position in many arenas, not just this forum. Be careful where you plant your flag. Here and elsewhere.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 25, 2018, 04:58:28 PM



No I'm not sure where it firmly planted me. I'm not sure what you mean by dealing with stupid and asking others how you get with stupid.  I'm not sure of anything you posted, at the end you said be careful where you plant your flag.  Here and elsewhere.  What in the world are you talking about?   


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: AA4HA on March 25, 2018, 06:05:35 PM
When you ain't got no money, you gotta get an attitude. 
If you "ain't got no money" maybe you need to get a job or do better at managing what money you do have.

In this hobby you will have a very difficult time doing anything without the means to acquire a radio, antenna, mic, computer,key, or to pay for the electricity to power said devices.

A bad attitude removes another thing that might help you succeed if you are lacking in means... being a jerk also means that nobody will want to help you with pieces-parts. This also translates in to nobody wanting to help you with advice or by including you in their extended circle of friends.

So sure, you can be a ham with a bad attitude; Without a radio or a station, friends or anyone who would even consider giving you a helping hand.

If Stupid is, as stupid does; well, that type of behavior will give you the results you deserve, just not the results you may want.

Following your postings on this thread for the last few days I can confidently say that I have no ambition to help you in the slightest.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 25, 2018, 06:13:06 PM



No I'm not sure where it firmly planted me. I'm not sure what you mean by dealing with stupid and asking others how you get with stupid.  I'm not sure of anything you posted, at the end you said be careful where you plant your flag.  Here and elsewhere.  What in the world are you talking about?   
fail


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 25, 2018, 06:19:00 PM
I appreciate your support thank you. 


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 25, 2018, 06:29:42 PM
No I'm not sure where it firmly planted me. I'm not sure what you mean by dealing with stupid and asking others how you get with stupid.  I'm not sure of anything you posted, at the end you said be careful where you plant your flag.  Here and elsewhere.  What in the world are you talking about?   

Allow me to put it in such a way that you will understand. I will be as supportive as I can within this context.

Come in here and act a snarky dick and it will get you zero. Act stupid on top of that and see how far that gets you. Exhibit A.

Quote from:  link=topic=119624.msg1062478#msg1062478 date=1522018941
I don't care who any of you are within this internet forum.

Nobody is going to give a rats rectum who you are after that. Just who the [redacted] do you think you are, coming in here and acting like you own the place or are better than everyone or anyone else? The only Boomba you're likely to hear is your butt bouncing on outta here with the attitude you exude. I'm pretty sure Tisha said it waaaay nicer than I have, but I wanted to make sure you understand exactly where you stand, as far as I'm concerned. Don't come in here and piss on the floor. What's the matter with you?

Quote from:  link=topic=119624.msg1062506#msg1062506 date=1522027140
I appreciate your support thank you. 

Maybe we can start over on better terms. My name is Eric and my amateur call is wz7u. I'm a cranky middle aged phart that does not suffer fools gladly, because I yam what I yam ya see? So, let's try that again, shall we?


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 25, 2018, 06:42:51 PM
Are you guys mentally ill?  My quote was from Richard Pryor When you ain't got no money, you gotta get an attitude.  Damn Tisha wrote a term paper on that quote schooling me on how much money I don't have.  You guys need to ease up just a little.     


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KOP on March 25, 2018, 07:43:07 PM
Are you guys mentally ill?      
It's not a requirement but it does actually help at times.

You guys need to ease up just a little.     
No, not really. HTFU. Grow a pair. It is what you make it.


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: BOOMBA on March 25, 2018, 07:48:53 PM
Ok I have more quotes I may use from Richard Pryor though every once in a while.  Is Tisha and other sensitive people going to lose their mind over them?  Sorry I don't spell that good.  Thank you. 


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KC8KTN on March 25, 2018, 08:12:42 PM
On a open letter.  Thanks Mike for letting me be a part of the group here. My Mom who has Alzheimer and I am helping her it is ham radio in her house she supported me and my father who passed away in 2009 .Nothing but good memories  .GREAT MOM AND DAD OLD SCHOOL ...Thanks Everyone.73s. What a Sad Disease.73s


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 25, 2018, 08:43:01 PM
And there's your example.

Hi Charles! Where ya been?


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N0YXB on March 25, 2018, 09:27:31 PM
After reading all that Bonehead, er Boomba stuff, it's a relief to have Charles posting.   ;)


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 25, 2018, 10:20:14 PM
After reading all that Bonehead, er Boomba stuff, it's a relief to have Charles posting.   ;)
It is!


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: K9MHZ on March 26, 2018, 08:52:21 AM
Ha, yep!

Remember the Unknown Comic on the Gong Show?  "Chucky, Chucky, Chucky!...."


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: N8YX on March 26, 2018, 09:57:51 AM
Just need Gene-Gene the Drinkin' Machine and the gang's complete.  ;)


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KB2WIG on March 26, 2018, 02:10:44 PM


And i thought Gene waza dancin machine.

KLC


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: ND6M on March 26, 2018, 04:13:59 PM


And i thought Gene waza dancin machine.

KLC

That would be The JACKSONS


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: AA4HA on March 26, 2018, 07:21:56 PM
And i thought Gene waza dancin machine.
KLC
That would be The JACKSONS
Or I can drift back to my university days where we knew "all sixteen dances" (B-52's reference)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSSuKtLcasc


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KOP on March 26, 2018, 09:26:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xi4O1yi6b0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xi4O1yi6b0)


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KC8KTN on March 27, 2018, 07:55:07 AM
...........LOCK DOWN COUNT DOWN.......

Have a nice Day . Be Safe......1973ssss


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KB2WIG on March 27, 2018, 08:33:30 AM


They should have left the flight line and gone to the land of 1000 dances.

KLC


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KB2WIG on March 27, 2018, 08:43:56 AM


True talent will always find a way.

https://youtu.be/iib2OGUPJI0

KLC


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KC8KTN on March 27, 2018, 09:25:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usQem53fDH8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNYu1Y8pGh4



Have a nice day 1973s...


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 27, 2018, 12:33:52 PM
...........LOCK DOWN COUNT DOWN.......

Have a nice Day . Be Safe......1973ssss

Look out, Charles knows of what he speaks!


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: SWMAN on March 27, 2018, 12:40:16 PM
 LOCKER ON DOWN BOYS !!


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KB2WIG on March 27, 2018, 03:50:04 PM

KOP

20 & gone?

klc


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KOP on March 27, 2018, 04:22:35 PM
^^^ ????


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 27, 2018, 06:56:24 PM
Were you on 20 today KOP?


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: KOP on March 27, 2018, 10:07:59 PM

KOP

20 & gone?

klc

...and no . 20 is kinda broken atm

PM if you're that curious Eric. It really isn't that big a deal.
The KB2WIG post confused me


Title: RE: An Open Letter...
Post by: WZ7U on March 27, 2018, 11:51:15 PM

The KB2WIG post confused me

You're not alone there  :D