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Title: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: K3GM on August 06, 2018, 03:31:36 PM
This just released by a Hamvention spokesperson:

"In the spirit of being transparent to our Hamvention family, we are distributing this update:

 Hamvention/Dayton Amateur Radio Association has spent many hours working with Greene County officials to reach an agreement on a long-term contract where both the Fairgrounds and Hamvention would feel comfortable erecting a new building. Unfortunately, we have currently been unable to successfully reach an agreement satisfactory to all parties.

This does not mean our relationship with Greene County and the fair board is not good, quite the contrary, it is excellent.  It does mean that we will not have a new building for Hamvention 2019.   Some of the significant upgrades accomplished in 2018 were, improved tents, permanent paths in the infield (flea market area) and we added an additional forum room.  More improvements are planned for 2019."


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: K5UJ on August 07, 2018, 03:06:46 AM
http://www.arrl.org/news/hamvention-officials-say-no-new-building-for-2019


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: DL8OV on August 07, 2018, 11:11:07 AM
It's a big site, plenty of room for more tents (and there's nothing wrong with tented exhibition space).

Peter DL8OV


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: K3GM on August 07, 2018, 01:52:20 PM
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Hamvention/Dayton Amateur Radio Association has spent many hours working with Greene County officials to reach an agreement on a long-term contract where both the Fairgrounds and Hamvention would feel comfortable erecting a new building.
To me, that suggests that a change in venue is being planned. i.e. Greene County wanted a long term commitment, but DARA was only willing to go for a short term contract.  Something's up...


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: N2SR on August 07, 2018, 04:12:31 PM
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Hamvention/Dayton Amateur Radio Association has spent many hours working with Greene County officials to reach an agreement on a long-term contract where both the Fairgrounds and Hamvention would feel comfortable erecting a new building.
To me, that suggests that a change in venue is being planned. i.e. Greene County wanted a long term commitment, but DARA was only willing to go for a short term contract.  Something's up...

Maybe.   I thought they signed a 3 year deal.   So, 2019 is the 3rd year.   Though it may give dara time to find a place. 

The issue though is that they have been working out the kinks from last year, and other then mud, there really weren't any kinks this year.   

Moving it again may cause people to not attend.   



Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on August 07, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
   I thought they signed a 3 year deal.   So, 2019 is the 3rd year.   Though it may give dara time to find a place. 

All I ever heard in local news was a two year deal and this was year two. According to news they paid 85k total when they signed deal for 2 years. A mere fraction of what Hara cost for one year. Been nothing in local news about a new deal. New Montgomery county fairgrounds off 35 near Dayton VA is up and running.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: K5UJ on August 08, 2018, 03:20:32 AM
(and there's nothing wrong with tented exhibition space).

Tents on grass pretty much stink in the true sense of the word.  They fill up with dank funky air from the wet grass and ground and speaking for myself, I can barely stand to walk through one on the way to something else.  If the sides are pulled up that's okay, but they usually are not because of wind and rain.  Almost all the tent vendors had stuff I never saw because I couldn't stand the reek inside those things. 


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on August 08, 2018, 04:02:09 AM
(and there's nothing wrong with tented exhibition space).

Tents on grass pretty much stink in the true sense of the word.  They fill up with dank funky air from the wet grass and ground and speaking for myself, I can barely stand to walk through one on the way to something else.  If the sides are pulled up that's okay, but they usually are not because of wind and rain.  Almost all the tent vendors had stuff I never saw because I couldn't stand the reek inside those things. 


I do agree but tents do fit it with past barn yard setting theme and paying higher admission fees for less facilities.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: N2SR on August 08, 2018, 05:29:19 AM
New Montgomery county fairgrounds off 35 near Dayton VA is up and running.

Looking at a satellite view of the site, there is very little, if any onsite parking.   

Please provide a detailed parking plan similar to what the Greene County Fairgrounds/dara uses now.  You may use offsite parking.  If so, then provide a minimim of 5 satellite lots similar in size to what dara used this year.   



Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on August 08, 2018, 05:54:10 AM

Looking at a satellite view of the site, there is very little, if any onsite parking.   


How old is your satellite view? It is likely out of date. New fairgrounds was just completed this spring. It was built on land that had been a park that did not have much parking.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: N2SR on August 08, 2018, 06:47:33 AM

Looking at a satellite view of the site, there is very little, if any onsite parking.   


How old is your satellite view? It is likely out of date. New fairgrounds was just completed this spring. It was built on land that had been a park that did not have much parking.

I have a special secret CIA/NSA clearance that allows me to view real time map images. 



Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on August 08, 2018, 06:53:44 AM
 

Looking at a satellite view of the site, there is very little, if any onsite parking.   


How old is your satellite view? It is likely out of date. New fairgrounds was just completed this spring. It was built on land that had been a park that did not have much parking.

I have a special secret CIA/NSA clearance that allows me to view real time map images. 




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Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on August 08, 2018, 11:09:40 AM
You know that DARA forced a furniture business that operated for 44 year on Greene county fairgrounds to move last year because they had county force them to close during month of May 2017 and repurposed their building and spaces to accommodate hamfest because of lack of space and facilities there. The closure cost furniture company about 30K in lost profits in May and they moved a few months latter causing county to loose 1000's in steady rental income which they are not happy about. I am sure they want a lot more rent money from DARA now that they do not want to pay and why there is no deal. 


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: N2SR on August 08, 2018, 01:34:40 PM

Looking at a satellite view of the site, there is very little, if any onsite parking.   


How old is your satellite view? It is likely out of date. New fairgrounds was just completed this spring. It was built on land that had been a park that did not have much parking.

I have a special secret CIA/NSA clearance that allows me to view real time map images. 




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Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W3UC on August 08, 2018, 01:48:33 PM
W8JX For someone who doesn't attend Hamvention , you sure complain a lot about it.  
 It must be true what they say , sour grapes do make good "whine" :D


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W5JON on August 08, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
(and there's nothing wrong with tented exhibition space).

Tents on grass pretty much stink in the true sense of the word.  They fill up with dank funky air from the wet grass and ground and speaking for myself, I can barely stand to walk through one on the way to something else.  If the sides are pulled up that's okay, but they usually are not because of wind and rain.  Almost all the tent vendors had stuff I never saw because I couldn't stand the reek inside those things. 


Hi,

I absolutely agree, cramped, dank, and humid tents to me just does not convey a "classy", techy electronics event.  I also noticed that even with the "improvements" in the flea walkways, and it seemed by noon Saturday a LOT of the outdoor venders were long gone.  The food was a great improvement, to bad there were few seats out of the rain to enjoy it.  YMMV

73,

John


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on August 08, 2018, 06:12:39 PM
W8JX For someone who doesn't attend Hamvention , you sure complain a lot about it.  
 It must be true what they say , sour grapes do make good "whine" :D

For someone that does not live in the area, LIKE I DO, or that that has been attending their event since they were little more than garage sales and has even work at shows too in past you act like you know alot and for some strange reason you are very defensive of them. In reality you not aware of the BS and scams DARA has pulled over the years to make a buck. I suspect you think it is fine for DARA be allowed to force a business to move because of a 3 day even once a year. (maybe instead they should force DARA to move) Did some digging and it seems that Greene county is trying to attract some regular vendors for new spaces to pay for upgrades and it is possible that they want DARA to compensate them for lost business and expenses for shutting down for hamvention and want DARA to foot bill in form of much higher rent.

You really should not comment on things that are not in area where you live and that you do not know local news as I would not comment on events on your town. I learned many many years ago, what DARA put in Koolaid or says in their blogs or comments vs what is in actually stated in local news and reported in local grape vine are two different matters. I commented on this thread because I wanted to clarify it was a 2 year contract and way they are likely having problems getting a new contract. Personally I would love to see them force to move like they did a 44 year old year round business for a once a year 3 day show.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: VE3WGO on August 08, 2018, 07:59:44 PM
W8JX, what kind of "44 year old year round business" needed to move and lost business, and shut down, in order for DARA to hold their show?

if DARA paid more than that other business did for the 3 days, well that's the fairgrounds decision, isn't it?  If the fairground wants compensation for lost business, why would it even want to lease to DARA then?

The explanation is hard to understand.... maybe I'm missing something here.

Since you live around there, and as you said this is already known to people in the area and even stated on the local news and the grapevine, can you name names or at least descriptions of the affected businesses on this forum?  Or put in a link or two to those online versions of the local news stories about this?

73, Ed


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: K3GM on August 08, 2018, 08:51:24 PM
W8JX, what kind of "44 year old year round business" needed to move and lost business, and shut down, in order for DARA to hold their show?....
From a year old issue of the Daily Daily News:
"....the Greene County Fairgrounds Board of Directors chose to terminate the lease for the store. Board President Jerry Liming said at the time the lease was terminated after an agreement could not be reached with Smith on relocating the store in May to accommodate Hamvention......"


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W3WN on August 09, 2018, 05:09:52 AM
You know that DARA forced a furniture business that operated for 44 year on Greene county fairgrounds to move last year because they had county force them to close during month of May 2017 and repurposed their building and spaces to accommodate hamfest because of lack of space and facilities there. The closure cost furniture company about 30K in lost profits in May and they moved a few months latter causing county to loose 1000's in steady rental income which they are not happy about. I am sure they want a lot more rent money from DARA now that they do not want to pay and why there is no deal. 
You mean that empty building with nothing in it, the first year at Xenia?

Oh, that's right.  I forgot.  You wouldn't know.  You were never there.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on August 09, 2018, 06:03:15 AM
You know that DARA forced a furniture business that operated for 44 year on Greene county fairgrounds to move last year because they had county force them to close during month of May 2017 and repurposed their building and spaces to accommodate hamfest because of lack of space and facilities there. The closure cost furniture company about 30K in lost profits in May and they moved a few months latter causing county to loose 1000's in steady rental income which they are not happy about. I am sure they want a lot more rent money from DARA now that they do not want to pay and why there is no deal. 
You mean that empty building with nothing in it, the first year at Xenia?

Oh, that's right.  I forgot.  You wouldn't know.  You were never there.

Been to fair ground for other events in past and thats why I knew at start it was a poor choice of location dah.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on August 09, 2018, 06:34:19 AM
W8JX, what kind of "44 year old year round business" needed to move and lost business, and shut down, in order for DARA to hold their show?....
From a year old issue of the Daily Daily News:
"....the Greene County Fairgrounds Board of Directors chose to terminate the lease for the store. Board President Jerry Liming said at the time the lease was terminated after an agreement could not be reached with Smith on relocating the store in May to accommodate Hamvention......"

It was terminated because they wanted compensation for lost income from forced shutdown which greene county did not want to pay so they used a escape clause and terminated lease after 44 years for a 3 day show! Furthermore, green county lost future income from that lease that has cost them close to 1/3 of what DARA paid to rent it for two years now so they made little money if any when other costs form accommodating 3 day event are factored in. DARA in their arrogance expects the world to revolve around them and shut down businesses and schools for them at no cost to them. At HARA there was no vendors or businesses other than concessionaires so no businesses or school had to shut down for event. Not so in Xenia which is also a small town too ill suited to event. Also with new building they are banking on some businesses leasing year round space there and they cannot be shut down or evicted for a month for DARA (it is a farm community and facility and May is farm month) It seems now that the free ride is over for DARA as county has realized it made a poor deal in past and DARA will have to dig deeper into pocket book or move. I suspect they will move. Lets see what plan "C" is. 

As fair grounds go, for many years I have see ads for Clark, Campaign, Miami, Darke and even new Montgomery county fairgrounds location for events other than annual fairs ( gun show at Montgomery this week end) but very rarely see anything for Green county as it is a poor location with limited access and that will not change unless they move fairgrounds.  The country is full of abandoned buildings that were built to accommodate businesses or events but they died because of a poor location. 


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W3UC on August 09, 2018, 11:33:39 AM
Would you like some cheese with that whine ?

W8JX For someone who doesn't attend Hamvention , you sure complain a lot about it.  
 It must be true what they say , sour grapes do make good "whine" :D

For someone that does not live in the area, LIKE I DO, or that that has been attending their event since they were little more than garage sales and has even work at shows too in past you act like you know alot and for some strange reason you are very defensive of them. In reality you not aware of the BS and scams DARA has pulled over the years to make a buck. I suspect you think it is fine for DARA be allowed to force a business to move because of a 3 day even once a year. (maybe instead they should force DARA to move) Did some digging and it seems that Greene county is trying to attract some regular vendors for new spaces to pay for upgrades and it is possible that they want DARA to compensate them for lost business and expenses for shutting down for hamvention and want DARA to foot bill in form of much higher rent.

You really should not comment on things that are not in area where you live and that you do not know local news as I would not comment on events on your town. I learned many many years ago, what DARA put in Koolaid or says in their blogs or comments vs what is in actually stated in local news and reported in local grape vine are two different matters. I commented on this thread because I wanted to clarify it was a 2 year contract and way they are likely having problems getting a new contract. Personally I would love to see them force to move like they did a 44 year old year round business for a once a year 3 day show.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: VE3WGO on August 09, 2018, 02:49:28 PM
still hard to understand.

if it's such a poor location, why did the furniture business want to be there?

and it seems that the Green County owners are the ones who might have made the bad decision here...  they decided they wanted Hamvention more than the furniture company.  That wasn't up to DARA, cuz DARA does not own the property.

Can't blame DARA (I have nothing to do with DARA or any other American club...  just trying to understand the problem as it is written).  They will go wherever there is enough space in a reasonable facility, and it sounds like you're saying this part of Ohio is not the place to be these days.  Neither for a hamfest nor a furniture store.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W3WN on August 09, 2018, 07:30:45 PM
You know that DARA forced a furniture business that operated for 44 year on Greene county fairgrounds to move last year because they had county force them to close during month of May 2017 and repurposed their building and spaces to accommodate hamfest because of lack of space and facilities there. The closure cost furniture company about 30K in lost profits in May and they moved a few months latter causing county to loose 1000's in steady rental income which they are not happy about. I am sure they want a lot more rent money from DARA now that they do not want to pay and why there is no deal. 
You mean that empty building with nothing in it, the first year at Xenia?

Oh, that's right.  I forgot.  You wouldn't know.  You were never there.
Been to fair ground for other events in past and thats why I knew at start it was a poor choice of location dah.
But you’ve never attended Hamvention at the fair grounds, by your own frequent admission.

Well, look on the bright side.  You still have something to kvetch about.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: WI8P on August 11, 2018, 12:54:21 PM
still hard to understand.

I've given up trying to understand him.  The tighter he gets wound up about something, the less intelligible he becomes. Rambling, run on sentences that are missing words and/or cohesion. He does get unintentionally humorous at times though which is the only reason I haven't used the "Ignore" button for him.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W9FIB on August 12, 2018, 07:44:51 PM
still hard to understand.

I've given up trying to understand him.  The tighter he gets wound up about something, the less intelligible he becomes. Rambling, run on sentences that are missing words and/or cohesion. He does get unintentionally humorous at times though which is the only reason I haven't used the "Ignore" button for him.

LOL I have noticed that for several years now. But it is humorous to read!


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: KC4ZGP on August 23, 2018, 07:16:56 AM

What's DARA?

Kraus


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: N8AUC on August 23, 2018, 08:06:30 AM

What's DARA?

Kraus

Dayton Amateur Radio Association. The group that puts on Hamvention.
And for some reason, the arch-nemesis of W8JX.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: KC4ZGP on August 23, 2018, 09:14:08 AM

OK Got it. Hamvention. That's the Dayton hamfest? The big one? The chick magnet.

If JX considers it his nemesis, that's his business, he has his reason.

I almost drowned once so I have an eternal fear of water.

How do JX. How's the family? How's everyones' families.

Kraus


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W4KVW on October 23, 2018, 03:19:02 PM
It's a big site, plenty of room for more tents (and there's nothing wrong with tented exhibition space).

Peter DL8OV

I had more than enough tent time in the Boy Scouts.AC does not work well for them either since they usually don't have any.

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on October 30, 2018, 12:00:23 PM

I had more than enough tent time in the Boy Scouts.AC does not work well for them either since they usually don't have any.


Especially when they charge high admin rates for cheap barnyard/tent setting. Apparently DARA falling out with fairgrounds because they think they should "own" fairground for a week a year and push all other year round vendors out of their spaces. Well that dog is not going to hunt.  DARA should of taken the mega bucks they sunk in clubhouse compound over the years and instead leased a building long term that they could rent out the other 51 weeks in a year rather than the millions they wasted at HARA over the years.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: VE3WGO on October 30, 2018, 06:32:15 PM
...... DARA should of taken the mega bucks they sunk in clubhouse compound over the years and instead leased a building long term that they could rent out the other 51 weeks in a year rather than the millions they wasted at HARA over the years.


well DARA must be doing something right, making millions by hosting one of the world's largest hamfests all these years!

73, Ed


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W9FIB on October 30, 2018, 08:56:50 PM
...... DARA should of taken the mega bucks they sunk in clubhouse compound over the years and instead leased a building long term that they could rent out the other 51 weeks in a year rather than the millions they wasted at HARA over the years.


well DARA must be doing something right, making millions by hosting one of the world's largest hamfests all these years!

73, Ed

They did. Just a few complain about anything DARA does.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on November 02, 2018, 06:41:16 PM
...... DARA should of taken the mega bucks they sunk in clubhouse compound over the years and instead leased a building long term that they could rent out the other 51 weeks in a year rather than the millions they wasted at HARA over the years.


well DARA must be doing something right, making millions by hosting one of the world's largest hamfests all these years!

73, Ed

They did. Just a few complain about anything DARA does.


No it just dumb luck and stupid sheep that willing to pay real show prices for a barn yard show. Take a drive past DARA Compound and look how they spared no expense there and how they cut every corner on cost for barn yard shows.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W9FIB on November 02, 2018, 10:42:09 PM
...... DARA should of taken the mega bucks they sunk in clubhouse compound over the years and instead leased a building long term that they could rent out the other 51 weeks in a year rather than the millions they wasted at HARA over the years.


well DARA must be doing something right, making millions by hosting one of the world's largest hamfests all these years!

73, Ed

They did. Just a few complain about anything DARA does.


No it just dumb luck and stupid sheep that willing to pay real show prices for a barn yard show. Take a drive past DARA Compound and look how they spared no expense there and how they cut every corner on cost for barn yard shows.

Who cares? If you don't like the show...don't go. If you do like the show...enjoy it.

Some will complain about DARA no matter what they do. Again...if you don't like what DARA does...join and work for change. If you like what DARA does, simply congratulate them on their success.

Maybe someday you can do something besides whine and complain. Oh wait...that's right...you can't.

I would rather be a sheep and produce wool than be what ever you are that just complains from behind a keyboard. At least I would be doing something that adds to the betterment of the world. Much more beneficial than your continuous anger that produces nothing.

Did you ever consider a different hobby so you don't have to spend half your life complaining about DARA?


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: KR4BD on November 04, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
I attended a LARGE Model Train Show yesterday at the NEW Montgomery County (Dayton) Fairgrounds.  This train show also was formerly held at HARA Arena for many, many years and has been looking for a new home, like HAMvention, since HARA’s demise.  This was my first visit to the new venue.  In my opinion, It has “possibilities” as far as being a future site for the HAMvention.  There is PLENTY of land available.  There are currently two fairly large exhibit halls on site. Two tents were also set up for displays and vender’s use.  For it to work for the HAMvention, Two or Three more exhibit halls would be nice along with more paved parking.  It is conveniently located west of Dayton a short distance off of US-35.  The access road (Infirmary Rd) would have to be widened for better ingress/egress.  A “NEGATIVE”, however, is the fact that there are NO Hotels or Restaurants nearby.  If Dayton is SERIOUS about bringing back the area’s largest annual convention, the local government there will have to make some tough decisions and spend some money to optimize the new Fairgrounds.  It really does have some potential....


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: VE3WI on November 05, 2018, 06:34:32 AM
But if Hamvention relocated to Montgomery Co., wouldn't it be just another "barn yard show" (to quote a frequent poster on this topic)?  In a web article on the attractions at the Montgomery Co. Fair, I read "... 4H, livestock, petting zoo, dog show, harness racing, rodeo ...".  Sounds a lot like the description of the Greene Co. Fair (and every other county fair that I've attended).

I thought this years' Hamvention was pretty good, all things considered.  I'll take a little mud over sewage any day :-)  I'd definitely recommend the remote parking lots & shuttles over the on site grass parking lots, unless you're driving a 4x4 or like getting towed.

See you there next year.

73
Dave, VE3WI




Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: K3GM on November 05, 2018, 10:57:43 AM
I attended a LARGE Model Train Show yesterday at the NEW Montgomery County (Dayton) Fairgrounds.  This train show also was formerly held at HARA Arena for many, many years and has been looking for a new home, like HAMvention, since HARA’s demise.  This was my first visit to the new venue.  In my opinion, It has “possibilities” as far as being a future site for the HAMvention.......
The Montgomery County Fairgrounds building have a reported total floor space of 42,000 sq. ft.  The Greene County Fairgrounds buildings have a total floor space of 48,000 sq. ft.  Compare that to the Hara complex which had a total floor space of 165,000 sq. ft.  There are big plans for the new Fairgrounds, with additional buildings.  But it remains to be seen if those plans ever come to fruition.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: KM1H on November 05, 2018, 11:52:17 AM
Just curious but what are the airports serving Xenia and how far are they. My only time to Xenia was on the way to Nashville for a NSRA National Street Rod meet shortly after that monster F5 tornado in 74.........what a mess that was!!

Dayton was convenient in that respect however in the ~25 times I went there I drove a 1T extended wheelbase and body van full of goodies to sell.

Ive no horse in this race.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: KR4BD on November 05, 2018, 12:34:50 PM
But if Hamvention relocated to Montgomery Co., wouldn't it be just another "barn yard show" (to quote a frequent poster on this topic)?  In a web article on the attractions at the Montgomery Co. Fair, I read "... 4H, livestock, petting zoo, dog show, harness racing, rodeo ...".  Sounds a lot like the description of the Greene Co. Fair (and every other county fair that I've attended).


The property at the NEW Montgomery Fairgrounds is FLAT.  The exhibit buildings are modern and clean.  There was no evidence of cattle, but I am sure the 4H and others would make use of the facilities there.  Traffic from downtown Dayton would be quick and easy as the new, multi-lane US-35 bypass goes within a few hundred yards of the property at Infirmary Road.  Infirmary Rd. would need to be widened off of US-35 for easier access to the fairgrounds.  There is plenty of room for more exhibit halls, parking and flea market....all on ONE Site.  Just thinking ahead in case the Xenia venue becomes problematic down the road....


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: KD8IWZ on November 06, 2018, 04:15:58 PM
Just curious, wonder how much furniture W8JX bought form the store that was 'forced' to move.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on November 07, 2018, 07:22:11 AM
Just curious, wonder how much furniture W8JX bought form the store that was 'forced' to move.

It is totally amazing how many "experts" there are on DARA actions that bless them and do not even live here and yet someone who does and sees through smoke screen because they are local and know what is really going on is attacked. It boils down to is that the truth is what they want it to be and they do not want to here what it real is.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W3UC on November 07, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
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Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W9FIB on November 07, 2018, 07:43:16 PM
It is totally amazing how many "experts" there are on DARA actions that bless them and do not even live here and yet someone who does and sees through smoke screen because they are local and know what is really going on is attacked. It boils down to is that the truth is what they want it to be and they do not want to here what it real is.

So only JX knows the truth. You heard it here folks. Everyone else knows nothing. He says so...LOL

Seems like those that appoint themselves as the true truth keepers are the same ones that do nothing besides whine and complain.

Score another one for the sheep. At least sheep do something. Something as simple as attending and drawing their own conclusions based on real experience. Far more expertize then those who whine but do not attend.

Score another one for the sheep. We read up on what's happening and comment based on the information provided. Most of which does not come from DARA members. But the gospel of JX dismisses any information that he has not filtered to remove anything good that is done either by DARA or Hamvention attendees. In that gospel only the bad (in JX's wisdom) is stated.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W8JX on November 08, 2018, 03:24:15 AM

So only JX knows the truth. You heard it here folks. Everyone else knows nothing. He says so...LOL

Unlike the non resident expert FIB who is pretty clueless but claims otherwise I live here and here local grapevine and even comments in daily news from time to time and have even been involved with DARA shows in past too and know their game well. I have nothing to gain telling stories but other have and when truth tastes bad they make up their own just like politics.

The irony is with money DARA spent on HARA and the fortune they spent on DARA compound they could of taken a different path years ago and bought a abandoned facility and moved club house there and hosted hamfest too in one spot. DARA wants to believe that facilities they do not own should pattern their life around them, guess again. Once again just look at money they have spent on their compound, it tops 7 figures now vs the peanuts they spend on what they sell as worlds greatest hamfest (what a joke) 


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W6EM on November 08, 2018, 07:43:41 AM

So only JX knows the truth. You heard it here folks. Everyone else knows nothing. He says so...LOL

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The irony is with money DARA spent on HARA and the fortune they spent on DARA compound they could of taken a different path years ago and bought a abandoned facility and moved club house there and hosted hamfest too in one spot. DARA wants to believe that facilities they do not own should pattern their life around them, guess again. Once again just look at money they have spent on their compound, it tops 7 figures now vs the peanuts they spend on what they sell as worlds greatest hamfest (what a joke) 

By chance, do you have a photo to share of the DARA "Taj Mahal"?  It might help prove your point.  Also, I seem to recall reading about some three and four-figure "awards" being presented to DARA members for "jobs well done."  Part of their 501.c.3 filing, if my memory is correct.



Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W9FIB on November 08, 2018, 08:31:43 AM

So only JX knows the truth. You heard it here folks. Everyone else knows nothing. He says so...LOL

Unlike the non resident expert FIB who is pretty clueless but claims otherwise I live here and here local grapevine and even comments in daily news from time to time and have even been involved with DARA shows in past too and know their game well. I have nothing to gain telling stories but other have and when truth tastes bad they make up their own just like politics.

The irony is with money DARA spent on HARA and the fortune they spent on DARA compound they could of taken a different path years ago and bought a abandoned facility and moved club house there and hosted hamfest too in one spot. DARA wants to believe that facilities they do not own should pattern their life around them, guess again. Once again just look at money they have spent on their compound, it tops 7 figures now vs the peanuts they spend on what they sell as worlds greatest hamfest (what a joke) 

You just proved my point. Thank you.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: N9AOP on November 08, 2018, 10:57:32 AM
It might not matter much longer.  The way Orlando is gaining ridership every year they should surpass Dayton soon. 
Art


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: WI8P on November 08, 2018, 03:39:21 PM

So only JX knows the truth. You heard it here folks. Everyone else knows nothing. He says so...LOL

......
The irony is with money DARA spent on HARA and the fortune they spent on DARA compound they could of taken a different path years ago and bought a abandoned facility and moved club house there and hosted hamfest too in one spot. DARA wants to believe that facilities they do not own should pattern their life around them, guess again. Once again just look at money they have spent on their compound, it tops 7 figures now vs the peanuts they spend on what they sell as worlds greatest hamfest (what a joke) 

By chance, do you have a photo to share of the DARA "Taj Mahal"?  It might help prove your point.  Also, I seem to recall reading about some three and four-figure "awards" being presented to DARA members for "jobs well done."  Part of their 501.c.3 filing, if my memory is correct.



Photo? Probably not since he was kicked out years ago, and I'm sure they've upgraded the bowling alley, Olympic pool and gaming room. 


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: VE3WGO on November 08, 2018, 04:44:16 PM
hardly a Taj Mahal.  But 40+ years of evolution has made it nice.

The DARA club station W8BI was an old converted microwave TR shack.  They have added a lot to it over the years, and that's good.   http://www.w8bi.org/index.php/faq

Any ARC that can organize a hamfest and make money from it, and keep it alive all these years, deserves to be commended.  And the money they made was used to put their new club station on the air.  That's the best thing they could possibly have done for Dayton area hams...  putting the money back into the hobby.

So W8JX is a local.  I wonder why he doesn't take advantage of the fact that he is so close to the Taj Mahal?  Their website even says "Guests are welcome to come and operate."

73, Ed


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W6EM on November 08, 2018, 05:26:52 PM
hardly a Taj Mahal.  But 40+ years of evolution has made it nice.

The DARA club station W8BI was an old converted microwave TR shack.  They have added a lot to it over the years, and that's good.   http://www.w8bi.org/index.php/faq

Any ARC that can organize a hamfest and make money from it, and keep it alive all these years, deserves to be commended.  And the money they made was used to put their new club station on the air.  That's the best thing they could possibly have done for Dayton area hams...  putting the money back into the hobby.

So W8JX is a local.  I wonder why he doesn't take advantage of the fact that he is so close to the Taj Mahal?  Their website even says "Guests are welcome to come and operate."

73, Ed
What is pictured is certainly not a Taj Majal.  But, noticeably absent is their very large bobtail truck and antenna trailer.
Now, the interior of the truck is, I am told, nothing short of a Taj Majal for all of its gear.  Also, the photo of their site is quite old.  Perhaps more than fencing and paving the parking area has transpired in the interim since 2013.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: K3GM on November 08, 2018, 08:52:57 PM

What is pictured is certainly not a Taj Majal.  But, noticeably absent is their very large bobtail truck and antenna trailer.
Now, the interior of the truck is, I am told, nothing short of a Taj Majal for all of its gear.  Also, the photo of their site is quite old.  Perhaps more than fencing and paving the parking area has transpired in the interim since 2013.
Run up Google Maps Street View.  There's a more recent view of the building, towers, and grounds.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: N2SR on November 09, 2018, 05:52:23 AM
Any ARC that can organize a hamfest and make money from it, and keep it alive all these years, deserves to be commended.  And the money they made was used to put their new club station on the air.  That's the best thing they could possibly have done for Dayton area hams...  putting the money back into the hobby.

73, Ed

I diagree somewhat.  I have no issue with a club making money.   What I have an issue with is:  Why did it take for the hara arenta to close for dara to look for another venue?   

If hamvention is the "biggest hamfest in the world" (in terms of what exactly?, and eventually they may lose that self proclaimed title), then why not make it a place that people want to attend, a semi-first clase venue, rather than the crap hole that was hara?


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: N2EY on November 09, 2018, 08:14:02 AM
Any ARC that can organize a hamfest and make money from it, and keep it alive all these years, deserves to be commended.  And the money they made was used to put their new club station on the air.  That's the best thing they could possibly have done for Dayton area hams...  putting the money back into the hobby.

73, Ed

I diagree somewhat.  I have no issue with a club making money.   What I have an issue with is:  Why did it take for the hara arenta to close for dara to look for another venue?   

If hamvention is the "biggest hamfest in the world" (in terms of what exactly?, and eventually they may lose that self proclaimed title), then why not make it a place that people want to attend, a semi-first clase venue, rather than the crap hole that was hara?

I suspect two reasons:

1) They got comfortable with the Hara site and never seriously imagined it would go away....until it did.

2) They figured any other site would raise ticket prices so much that it would kill attendance.

All IMHO.

But the whole thing reminds me of the person who never does any home maintenance until something breaks. Then it's an emergency because there's no heat, or the basement is flooded, or the roof collapsed.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W3WN on November 09, 2018, 10:29:30 PM
Just curious, wonder how much furniture W8JX bought form the store that was 'forced' to move.
It is totally amazing how many "experts" there are on DARA actions that bless them and do not even live here and yet someone who does and sees through smoke screen because they are local and know what is really going on is attacked. It boils down to is that the truth is what they want it to be and they do not want to here what it real is.
Translation:  None, which is why he completely avoided answering the question.

I don’t know what his real beef with DARA is, but reading between the lines, clearly his disagreement over their spending on the clubhouse is part of it.  The impliciation is that he was a member at one time, and his disagreement with the rest of the group reached the point where either he decided to quit, or was forced out.

So it is clear that his opinion is biased.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W3WN on November 09, 2018, 10:32:16 PM
hardly a Taj Mahal.  But 40+ years of evolution has made it nice.

The DARA club station W8BI was an old converted microwave TR shack.  They have added a lot to it over the years, and that's good.   http://www.w8bi.org/index.php/faq

Any ARC that can organize a hamfest and make money from it, and keep it alive all these years, deserves to be commended.  And the money they made was used to put their new club station on the air.  That's the best thing they could possibly have done for Dayton area hams...  putting the money back into the hobby.

So W8JX is a local.  I wonder why he doesn't take advantage of the fact that he is so close to the Taj Mahal?  Their website even says "Guests are welcome to come and operate."

73, Ed
What is pictured is certainly not a Taj Majal.  But, noticeably absent is their very large bobtail truck and antenna trailer.
Now, the interior of the truck is, I am told, nothing short of a Taj Majal for all of its gear.  Also, the photo of their site is quite old.  Perhaps more than fencing and paving the parking area has transpired in the interim since 2013.
Truck?  You mean their mobile command station?  I’ve seen it — actually been inside it.  And it is impressive.  Well laid out, well designed.  I have pictures around somewhere.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: W9FIB on November 10, 2018, 04:18:35 AM
Just curious, wonder how much furniture W8JX bought form the store that was 'forced' to move.
It is totally amazing how many "experts" there are on DARA actions that bless them and do not even live here and yet someone who does and sees through smoke screen because they are local and know what is really going on is attacked. It boils down to is that the truth is what they want it to be and they do not want to here what it real is.
Translation:  None, which is why he completely avoided answering the question.

I don’t know what his real beef with DARA is, but reading between the lines, clearly his disagreement over their spending on the clubhouse is part of it.  The impliciation is that he was a member at one time, and his disagreement with the rest of the group reached the point where either he decided to quit, or was forced out.

So it is clear that his opinion is biased.

Yep...very biased.

Yep, he avoids questions and tells you that you are stupid and know nothing and only he is right for an answer to most questions. Oh yea he is local and knows all. Even when he never attends, he describes things like he spent his whole life there at the event. But those that do attend are just wrong due to QTH, not being an antique extra, and numerous other reasons.


Title: RE: New building at Hamvention is a no-go
Post by: AF8JC on November 20, 2018, 09:14:21 PM
I have been in DARA's "Taj-Majal" numerous times. It is a very nice "clubhouse" with two rooms for four amateur work stations. These rooms also contain the repeaters, patch panels, and amplifiers that allow members to work with very high-quality equipment. The really neat thing is that any member can get an electronic key fob that allows them to enter and operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week! They constantly emphasize the facility is for the MEMBERS to enjoy. An additional room is a very nice "presentation room" with quality work tables, wi-fi, projectors, etc. This room is for seminars, classes, license testing, and experimental work and repair. Every Thursday night, various members with all sorts of expertise show up to share their projects, help others with their radios or projects, and socialize. I think there are 3 (maybe 4) electronics work stations with all the standard equipment for electronics work, and shared test equipment of almost any sort. No matter what your experience or skill level, everyone is there to help and support each other. In between those two rooms is a nice, but modest-sized, socialization area. Comfortable chairs, refreshments, magazines, etc make it a comfortable environment for members and their families to just "hang out". In the 6 years that I have been a DARA member, I haven't seen or heard of any cliques, secret handshakes, or "koolaid" dispensers. I have only seen good people that enjoy the hobby, willing to give their time and energy to make DARA a success. DARA is not a mega corporation with executives, behind the scenes, pulling strings and conspiring to fleece the public. It is simply people, like you and me, doing the best they can.