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Title: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KK4FGF on November 04, 2018, 07:51:37 AM
While perusing the forums, I've always noticed that there are a lot of good ideas along with a healthy debate of those ideas. As a relatively inexperienced Ham I'm curious, are there any universally good ideas or axioms that are pretty much recognized by everyone? I'm not saying something that is scientific fact like P = E x I, but things like -- (I am making no claims about these ideas, just perhaps poor examples):

i. You should join your local amateur radio club
ii. The antenna is more important than your rig
iii. Call signs instead of #Hashtags

This may be a stupid forum question and I apologize for wasting anyone's time, but I thought it might be a good way to communicate those indispensable nuggets of "truth" that beginners would do well to heed.

73

JoAnn Peeler, KK4FGF


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: N9AOP on November 04, 2018, 09:58:18 AM
JoAnn, nothing stupid about it at all.  The issues are the trolls that inhabit this venue and end up trashing anything good because they have no life.
Art


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: WZ7U on November 04, 2018, 10:46:25 AM
Art is right, JoAnn. In my mind, stupid questions are the ones you have and don't ask. Like any internet forum, the troll factor is here and at times quite high; those should become self evident in time. Hopefully not for a long time. I'm sure some here consider me a troll, only because of my intolerance of fools and their fodder. On to great ideas...

The three ideas you listed so far are great. At this time I might augment #2 with "and understanding how it works is paramount". SWR isn't the be all and end all of ones system. There are factors that go into the swr one is presented with that are as important as the final result. Meaning, a 1000' spool of RG-8X will present a 1.1-1 swr but is it really radiating anything? So yes, the antenna system is more important than any particular radio. Its height above average terrain vs wavelength and its polarity play into all this too. Lots to learn if one wants a big signal and to hear well too.


Here's one for submission, pending approval -
iv. Standard phonetics are appropriate when needed, where cutesy slang and codes from another service are not. Ever.

I would include Q codes on phone and the ever ridiculous hihi for laughter. If it's funny, then laugh; don't be a good buddy about it.
That's what I have, pre-coffee on the first morning of standard time here at the tip of NW Oregon.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KB5UZB on November 04, 2018, 10:51:01 AM
i. You should join your local amateur radio club
ii. The antenna is more important than your rig
iii. Call signs instead of #Hashtags

Those 1st 2 are great - with one modification to the first.  :-)

i. You should join your local amateur radio club, unless it's full of politics and drama that you don't want to deal with. In that case find a different club.

I haven't experienced it, but I've read some stories that are an embarrassment to the community ... alas a problem with all types of clubs.

What's the 3rd one refer to?

& I add my approval to WZ7U's submission. :D (I had to look up hihi when seeing it on the forums - I figured that's what it was, but wanted to be sure).


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: WZ7U on November 04, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
i. You should join your local amateur radio club
ii. The antenna is more important than your rig
iii. Call signs instead of #Hashtags

Those 1st 2 are great - with one modification to the first.  :-)

i. You should join your local amateur radio club, unless it's full of politics and drama that you don't want to deal with. In that case find a different club.

I haven't experienced it, but I've read some stories that are an embarrassment to the community ... alas a problem with all types of clubs.

What's the 3rd one refer to?

& I add my approval to WZ7U's submission. :D (I had to look up hihi when seeing it on the forums - I figured that's what it was, but wanted to be sure).
I like the addendum for #1. I live that and didn't realize it till now.
The third I believe refers to using "handles" on the forum instead of a call sign to ID with.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KB5UZB on November 04, 2018, 11:08:12 AM
I thought that might be it, but I wasn't sure. :)



Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: DL8OV on November 04, 2018, 11:41:01 AM
Never try to catch a falling soldering iron.

Peter DL8OV


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: WZ7U on November 04, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Never try to catch a falling soldering iron.

Peter DL8OV
Or solder in shorts.

Saw this over yonder and felt it needed repeating - "Listen to the way the DX is working stations for at least a few minutes before you make a call to one."
Which I would add "Don't call the DX if you can't completely copy them."


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KS2G on November 04, 2018, 12:06:45 PM

Don't depend on on-line forums for accurate information.  ;)



Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: JAZZMAN on November 04, 2018, 02:10:42 PM
Before you speak on the air or on any forum THINK first type or talk later.  Treat people how you would want to be treated and try to be nice. 

Good luck and God Bless you!!


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: K5DH on November 04, 2018, 04:17:38 PM
Don't operate your ham rig, or your computer, if you've been drinking. 


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: JAZZMAN on November 04, 2018, 05:39:43 PM
Don't operate your ham rig, or your computer, if you've been drinking. 

Snap really great point. 



Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: N5INP on November 04, 2018, 06:40:31 PM
Don't depend on on-line forums for accurate information.  ;)

But saying that on an on-line forum then could make the reader wonder if your advice is in itself accurate!


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: NW7OR on November 04, 2018, 09:21:19 PM
While perusing the forums, I've always noticed that there are a lot of good ideas along with a healthy debate of those ideas. As a relatively inexperienced Ham I'm curious, are there any universally good ideas or axioms that are pretty much recognized by everyone? I'm not saying something that is scientific fact like P = E x I, but things like -- (I am making no claims about these ideas, just perhaps poor examples):

i. You should join your local amateur radio club
ii. The antenna is more important than your rig
iii. Call signs instead of #Hashtags

This may be a stupid forum question and I apologize for wasting anyone's time, but I thought it might be a good way to communicate those indispensable nuggets of "truth" that beginners would do well to heed.


73

JoAnn Peeler, KK4FGF

Always ask yourself what you can do to give back to the community, even if it's simply something you know.....it always pays forward, even if you never find out.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: G3RZP on November 05, 2018, 12:42:04 AM
Quote
iv. Standard phonetics are appropriate when needed, where cutesy slang and codes from another service are not. Ever.

I agree about 'cutesy slang'. But the problem with the ITU phonetic alphabet is that it lacks syllabic redundancy for weak signals. Remember that it came from NATO requirements in the 1940s, where the major consideration was speed and use by people with strong accents while not speaking their native language. Under very poor SNR conditions, many of the words can be confused because the voiced energy is low. It was this which led to the 1930's international phonetic alphabet of Amsterdam, Baltimore, Casablanca etc, although using Xanthippe (pronounced Zantippy as near as I can get) assumed to some extent that the other operator knew who Xanthippe was! (She was the wife of Socrates, the ancient Greek philosopher, who, having had an argument with him, is reputed to have emptied a chamber pot over his head!)

The VHF SSB DXers back in the 1980s, found the lack of syllabic redundancy in the ITU alphabet a problem under very weak signal conditions and started using longer words to get around this. On the other hand, when signals have a 'decent' SNR, the ITU alphabet has the advantaged of brevity and is widely known. In the digital world, for poor SNR conditions, we add Forward Error Correction and check sums to provide redundancy - longer words on telephony do the same. This is basic communications theory.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: WZ7U on November 05, 2018, 04:02:10 AM
I will change Zanzibar for Zulu in rough conditions with good results and almost always use United vs Uniform. So I guess I can't take my own advice!  ;D


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: K4JJL on November 05, 2018, 05:38:12 AM
Don't operate your ham rig, or your computer, if you've been drinking. 

Well there goes Field Day. 


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: G3RZP on November 06, 2018, 12:35:31 AM
WZ7U,

Quote
I would include Q codes on phone and the ever ridiculous hihi for laughter. If it's funny, then laugh; don't be a good buddy about it.

Sixty years ago, there were comments in various UK amateur radio magazines saying exactly that! So it is hardly a new phenomena.....but that doesn't make Q codes and 'hihi' right, though Q codes may be easier for a non-English native language speaker.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: WZ7U on November 06, 2018, 02:49:16 AM
Yes, Q codes are almost a necessity for folks who English is a second language. I was thinking more about the guys on phone for who English is a first language that are trying to sound "ham". Like I said, if you're going to laugh, just do it. Saying hihi makes you sound like a good buddy.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: JAZZMAN on November 06, 2018, 03:48:44 PM
Yes, Q codes are almost a necessity for folks who English is a second language. I was thinking more about the guys on phone for who English is a first language that are trying to sound "ham". Like I said, if you're going to laugh, just do it. Saying hihi makes you sound like a good buddy.

When I listen on the air now I hear a variation of both old school and different things.  I personally could care less if you say hihi on phone it happens a lot or just hi for a laugh.  Most all of these short "codes" are for CW not phone we all know this don't we? 

Listen have fun and remember it's a hobby.  Not pro radio but Amateur radio.     


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KB2CRK on November 06, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
Yes, Q codes are almost a necessity for folks who English is a second language. I was thinking more about the guys on phone for who English is a first language that are trying to sound "ham". Like I said, if you're going to laugh, just do it. Saying hihi makes you sound like a good buddy.

When I listen on the air now I hear a variation of both old school and different things.  I personally could care less if you say hihi on phone it happens a lot or just hi for a laugh.  Most all of these short "codes" are for CW not phone we all know this don't we? 

Listen have fun and remember it's a hobby.  Not pro radio but Amateur radio.     


10-4 good buddy


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KC8KTN on November 06, 2018, 04:14:40 PM
Universal good ideas in ham radio practice what ya preach. Everyone have a Blessed day and be safe. 73s.

Jesus keep me focused and give me patience.

P.S. Do not let someone upset you spin the dial. Keeping it real . Nuff said.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: JAZZMAN on November 06, 2018, 04:17:25 PM
KB2CRK why would you say this as your  signature after every post.  You smile when you push people down a flight of stairs?  



Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KB2CRK on November 06, 2018, 04:48:48 PM
KB2CRK why would you say this as your  signature after every post.  You smile when you push people down a flight of stairs?  



what? you don't understand a Joke? it says every one is good for something. And everyone is equal in my eyes chuck


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: K1FBI on November 07, 2018, 03:09:00 AM
I will change Zanzibar for Zulu in rough conditions with good results and almost always use United vs Uniform. So I guess I can't take my own advice!  ;D
Wild Zebra
Seven Up
 :o


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: K5DH on November 07, 2018, 11:48:54 AM
How 'bout this for some real silliness? 

OK:
73 = Best regards
Very 73 = Very best regards

Not OK:
73s = Best regardses
Best 73s = Best best regardses
Best of 73s = Best of best regardses
Very best of 73s = Very best of best regardses
Seventy thirds = I am still a CBer

Hi, hi!  ;) 


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KB2CRK on November 07, 2018, 12:00:48 PM
How 'bout this for some real silliness? 

OK:
73 = Best regards
Very 73 = Very best regards

Not OK:
73s = Best regardses
Best 73s = Best best regardses
Best of 73s = Best of best regardses
Very best of 73s = Very best of best regardses
Seventy thirds = I am still a CBer

Hi, hi!  ;) 

But what if you are still a cb'er???


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: K1FBI on November 07, 2018, 02:15:40 PM
How 'bout this for some real silliness? 

OK:
73 = Best regards
Very 73 = Very best regards

Not OK:
73s = Best regardses
Best 73s = Best best regardses
Best of 73s = Best of best regardses
Very best of 73s = Very best of best regardses
Seventy thirds = I am still a CBer

Hi, hi!  ;) 
Totally agree!
Worse yet: Seventy Turds


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: WZ7U on November 07, 2018, 04:41:47 PM
How 'bout this for some real silliness? 

OK:
73 = Best regards
Very 73 = Very best regards

Not OK:
73s = Best regardses
Best 73s = Best best regardses
Best of 73s = Best of best regardses
Very best of 73s = Very best of best regardses
Seventy thirds = I am still a CBer

Hi, hi!  ;) 
Totally agree!
Worse yet: Seventy Turds
That's a lot of turds


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: WZ7U on November 07, 2018, 04:43:45 PM
I will change Zanzibar for Zulu in rough conditions with good results and almost always use United vs Uniform. So I guess I can't take my own advice!  ;D
Wild Zebra
Seven Up
 :o

That's actually really good, thanks for that.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: AD8CC on November 10, 2018, 05:25:08 AM


Those 1st 2 are great - with one modification to the first.  :-)

i. You should join your local amateur radio club, unless it's full of politics and drama that you don't want to deal with. In that case find a different club.

I haven't experienced it, but I've read some stories that are an embarrassment to the community ... alas a problem with all types of clubs.


This.  I've found that every town has a club, ...and then another club which has split off from the first club due to drama.  There will be 2 'main' repeaters in a given area, and depending on which "local big-shot" you come to know first in the hobby, you will gain both friends and enemies just by using it.  This is why $20 baofengs are probably the only VHF radios worth buying, because that's really all the value that VHF FM has to offer, at least in the US in this era.  Personally, I just stay far away from local ham scenes, and just dah and dit to other locales when I feel like it.

So I would modify # 1 to:

"1. Avoid your local clubs at all costs, unless you want to immediately be discouraged from the hobby."


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KB2CRK on November 10, 2018, 05:55:19 AM


Those 1st 2 are great - with one modification to the first.  :-)

i. You should join your local amateur radio club, unless it's full of politics and drama that you don't want to deal with. In that case find a different club.

I haven't experienced it, but I've read some stories that are an embarrassment to the community ... alas a problem with all types of clubs.


This.  I've found that every town has a club, ...and then another club which has split off from the first club due to drama.  There will be 2 'main' repeaters in a given area, and depending on which "local big-shot" you come to know first in the hobby, you will gain both friends and enemies just by using it.  This is why $20 baofengs are probably the only VHF radios worth buying, because that's really all the value that VHF FM has to offer, at least in the US in this era.  Personally, I just stay far away from local ham scenes, and just dah and dit to other locales when I feel like it.

So I would modify # 1 to:

"1. Avoid your local clubs at all costs, unless you want to immediately be discouraged from the hobby."

Believe it or not that is not 100% true. But yes I have seen it first hand and know what you are talking about. If there are clubs that are competing, use it to your advantage. Don't join either but say you are looking to join one or the other and use both repeaters at will. Make it known you will not get into discussions why the other club is bad and only want to hear about the positives of the clubs. Just string them along as the repeaters are open. I joined a club once. That was to gain access to the only phone patch on a repeater in the area. Yes this was in the pre cell phone days.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: G3RZP on November 10, 2018, 07:01:52 AM
Our local 2m repeater merely sends its call every few minutes - there is very little use made of it now compared with fifteen years ago. Listening to Durango CO machine three years ago, it was much the same.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KB2CRK on November 10, 2018, 08:22:04 AM
I live near a repeater that has great coverage but is rarely used. It is owned by an individual that is the most common user. No club to worry about and he loves for people to use his repeater. There are a couple of regulars that use it in the morning during the morning drive time. Good group and welcoming as can be. There are club repeaters in the area where it is hit or miss. The owner of the Crawford GA machine has it right.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KM1H on November 10, 2018, 12:48:25 PM
I offered locals free use on my 180' tower for repeaters on 6, 70, 33, and 23cm. No club, just individual efforts to get it done.

Even with the antennas on top of the highest hill in ~20-25 miles activity was mostly commuting and then silent. All gone for about 20 years. Great range all the way into Boston and the surrounding hi tech business towns up into Manchester, Worcester, Seacoast, and beyond.

Carl


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KB2CRK on November 27, 2018, 10:33:22 AM
Universal good idea for a new ham.
Listen to the bands. Get a feel for it before jumping in.
Yes this can be done even before you get your license.
Look for the areas you might want to get into.
There is something for most in Ham Radio.


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KC8KTN on November 27, 2018, 11:17:55 AM
Remember that it is a hobby. Remember we are called Amateurs.  Remember if a new person makes a mistake do not rag on him. Remember keep it real. Nuff said.. Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the rest of the holidays. 73s


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: K1FBI on November 27, 2018, 03:18:13 PM
Remember Pearl Harbor. Remember the Alamo. Remember to wear clean underwear. While you are at it, Try to remember the kind of September....


Title: RE: Universal Good Ideas in Ham Radio
Post by: KB2CRK on November 28, 2018, 01:08:24 PM
Remember Pearl Harbor. Remember the Alamo. Remember to wear clean underwear. While you are at it, Try to remember the kind of September....

Remember to wipe before leaving the Crapper. Remember no job is complete until the paper work is complete