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Title: Ten-Tec
Post by: DL8OV on November 11, 2018, 09:43:24 AM
You know the scene, it's been shown countless times on TV, the doctors try their best to save a patient but then the person in charge looks up and says 'I'm calling it, patient dead at 12:05.

Well, nobody put me in charge but I'm calling it anyway, Ten-Tec is dead on the table.

1) The web pages have not been updated for well over a year.

2) The 'store' on the web page shows twelve items and only one of those is a ham transceiver.

3) It's impossible to purchase an Eagle, an Omni or an Argonaut, even direct from the factory.

4) The last news update was in February 2017 when we were shown some pictures of PCB production and one image of a large shed with no sign above the door.

5) Although Ten-Tec did have a stand at Xenia I understand that it was nothing special and they had very little to sell apart from microphones.

6) Searching at HRO, Hamcity, Gigaparts and Universal Radio shows only second hand items and microphone cables

As a Ten-Tec rig owner I mourn their passing, but they're gone.

Peter DL8OV


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W1BR on November 11, 2018, 10:11:16 AM
Blah Blah Blah...  TT is still servicing ham gear. Still selling commercial gear.  Go buy an Icom or a Kenwood.  What good is this continued Ten Tec bashing???  The old Ten Tec is dead.  Whatever comes from the new owner will happen or not... but the new company is still there.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KS2G on November 11, 2018, 10:28:12 AM
Blah Blah Blah...  TT is still servicing ham gear. Still selling commercial gear.  Go buy an Icom or a Kenwood.  What good is this continued Ten Tec bashing???  The old Ten Tec is dead.  Whatever comes from the new owner will happen or not... but the new company is still there.

Amen!


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 11, 2018, 12:12:24 PM
Blah Blah Blah...  TT is still servicing ham gear. Still selling commercial gear.  Go buy an Icom or a Kenwood.  What good is this continued Ten Tec bashing???  The old Ten Tec is dead.  Whatever comes from the new owner will happen or not... but the new company is still there.

I also agree. It is what it is. But it is not dead. Just different. Just like some other brands from the past.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 11, 2018, 08:59:50 PM
Blah Blah Blah...  TT is still servicing ham gear. Still selling commercial gear.  Go buy an Icom or a Kenwood.  What good is this continued Ten Tec bashing???  The old Ten Tec is dead.  Whatever comes from the new owner will happen or not... but the new company is still there.

I also agree. It is what it is. But it is not dead. Just different. Just like some other brands from the past.

I agree, just like Hallicrafters, Harvey Wells, Henry, Drake, Swan, SBE, Galaxy, Gonset, Hammarlund, National, Knight, Cubic, Astro, Signal One, Collins, Allied, Lafeyette,  and at least a dozen others.  Yep, you nailed it,  just like them.

They are now classic boat anchors.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KAPT4560 on November 12, 2018, 04:44:14 AM
Domestic commercial and government contracts net far more profits than selling competitive amateur radio gear to the tightwads.
It is a smart manufacturing business move and is probably the only way to assure their survival.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 12, 2018, 08:08:25 AM
Domestic commercial and government contracts net far more profits than selling competitive amateur radio gear to the tightwads.
It is a smart manufacturing business move and is probably the only way to assure their survival.

No one can dispute that commercial and government contracts are money makers compared to ham radio.  There are thousands of small electronics companies in the US that do commercial and military contract work either directly, or by subbing to larger companies on contract, and they don't make amateur radio equipment either. 

Alas, this is an amateur radio forum so we don't really care about companies who make commercial equipment. 



Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 12, 2018, 02:10:07 PM
Alas, this is an amateur radio forum so we don't really care about companies who make commercial equipment. 

Got a mouse in your pocket? Cause you don't speak for everyone with that "we". Some may not care, but it is arrogant to speak for everyone.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W1BR on November 12, 2018, 04:35:59 PM
I think Ten Tec owners are happy that the factory service exists.  Muddling through an Omni V is easy peasey, but you want an expert working on your Orion.  And, they are selling Rebels, so I guess that means they are still selling ham gear.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: AF5CC on November 12, 2018, 08:00:56 PM
If you have an Orion, Eagle, or Omni 7, are there other repair shops that will service them also?  If so, what are some of the most recommended one?

73 John AF5CC


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 12, 2018, 09:05:45 PM
If you have an Orion, Eagle, or Omni 7, are there other repair shops that will service them also?  If so, what are some of the most recommended one?

73 John AF5CC

Here are a few John, there are others, and many are less expensive and they do just as good of a job.

http://www.amateurradiorepair.biz/

http://www.affordableradiorepair.com/

http://hamradio.repair/

http://hamrepair.com/

https://www.mcveyelectronics.com/

http://www.w4bbn.com/

Here are a bunch more. https://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Shopping_and_Services/Radio_Equipment_Repair/

There are a lot of small businesses that repair amateur radio. 

As for the Orion, some of the parts for them are unobtainium and no ne can repair them if the parts can't be found.  A lot of hams have sold them for that very reason.





Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 12, 2018, 09:44:08 PM
I think Ten Tec owners are happy that the factory service exists.  Muddling through an Omni V is easy peasey, but you want an expert working on your Orion.  And, they are selling Rebels, so I guess that means they are still selling ham gear.

http://www.hfsignals.com/  No jumpers, tunes 3 to 30 MHZ, 10 watts output, great receiver, best of all, a hundred bucks cheaper.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: DL8OV on November 13, 2018, 09:39:12 AM
I admire the tenacity of those who replied, however I have yet to see anybody provide a reasonable explanation for the points I raised. Ten-Tec may be producing commercial equipment but their amateur radio range of transceivers are now outdated and unavailable for purchase. To their credit they are still servicing the rigs that they sold, but once the custom parts such as LCD displays are used up this arm of the business will also shut up shop.


Peter DL8OV



Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KS2G on November 13, 2018, 09:55:57 AM
I admire the tenacity of those who replied, however I have yet to see anybody provide a reasonable explanation for the points I raised. Ten-Tec may be producing commercial equipment but their amateur radio range of transceivers are now outdated and unavailable for purchase. To their credit they are still servicing the rigs that they sold, but once the custom parts such as LCD displays are used up this arm of the business will also shut up shop.

Peter DL8OV


What's your point?

You consider Ten-Tec gone.

Others do not.

So?  ???


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 13, 2018, 09:58:22 AM
I admire the tenacity of those who replied, however I have yet to see anybody provide a reasonable explanation for the points I raised. Ten-Tec may be producing commercial equipment but their amateur radio range of transceivers are now outdated and unavailable for purchase. To their credit they are still servicing the rigs that they sold, but once the custom parts such as LCD displays are used up this arm of the business will also shut up shop.

Peter DL8OV


What's your point?

You consider Ten-Tec gone.

Others do not.

So?  ???

Well put!


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 14, 2018, 08:45:44 AM
I admire the tenacity of those who replied, however I have yet to see anybody provide a reasonable explanation for the points I raised. Ten-Tec may be producing commercial equipment but their amateur radio range of transceivers are now outdated and unavailable for purchase. To their credit they are still servicing the rigs that they sold, but once the custom parts such as LCD displays are used up this arm of the business will also shut up shop.


Peter DL8OV



Well put.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W1BR on November 14, 2018, 09:33:18 AM
Must be a slow day.  Time to bash the new Ten Tec start up and hopefully announce a premature funeral. Sad.  Get a life.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 14, 2018, 09:50:09 AM
Must be a slow day.  Time to bash the new Ten Tec start up and hopefully announce a premature funeral. Sad.  Get a life.

If you had a life you wouldn't be here. ::)

I do agree that it is like bashing Hallicrafters.  Same difference.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W1BR on November 14, 2018, 09:51:20 AM
I have more of a life than being an internet troll looking for companies to bash. 


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 14, 2018, 10:01:34 AM
I have more of a life than being an internet troll looking for companies to bash. 

OK, then please either show me, and everyone else, where in this thread I bashed Ten Tec or get lost. 

If not then you are the troll.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: N9AOP on November 14, 2018, 10:05:35 AM
I completely forgot about Ten Tec.  Why did someone have to bring up this subject again?
Art


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W1BR on November 14, 2018, 10:34:16 AM
I have more of a life than being an internet troll looking for companies to bash. 

OK, then please either show me, and everyone else, where in this thread I bashed Ten Tec or get lost. 

If not then you are the troll.

With every breath you make, with every post you make... continually degenerating the new Ten Tec by equating to the old company.  And you know it.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: NA4IT on November 14, 2018, 10:44:29 AM
It's not dead until the horse has been beaten on eHam...


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: DL8OV on November 14, 2018, 12:10:32 PM
I completely forgot about Ten Tec.  Why did someone have to bring up this subject again?
Art

Last week I attempted to order a new Ten-Tec Eagle on behalf of an amateur who has limited skills in English. After four days I finally gave up and wrote the original post on Eham. I'm a Ten-Tec owner myself and would have loved to see them survive but now I know that this is not the case. Maybe this makes me an Internet troll, I don't know, I'm just calling it as I see it.

Peter DL8OV


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W3WN on November 14, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
You know the scene, it's been shown countless times on TV, the doctors try their best to save a patient but then the person in charge looks up and says 'I'm calling it, patient dead at 12:05.

Well, nobody put me in charge but I'm calling it anyway, Ten-Tec is dead on the table.

1) The web pages have not been updated for well over a year.

2) The 'store' on the web page shows twelve items and only one of those is a ham transceiver.

3) It's impossible to purchase an Eagle, an Omni or an Argonaut, even direct from the factory.

4) The last news update was in February 2017 when we were shown some pictures of PCB production and one image of a large shed with no sign above the door.

5) Although Ten-Tec did have a stand at Xenia I understand that it was nothing special and they had very little to sell apart from microphones.

6) Searching at HRO, Hamcity, Gigaparts and Universal Radio shows only second hand items and microphone cables

As a Ten-Tec rig owner I mourn their passing, but they're gone.

Peter DL8OV
Again?

You and the rest of the Premature Funeral Committee do like to beat this dead horse time after time, don't you?

Give it a rest!


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: AE5GT on November 14, 2018, 01:24:17 PM
It's not dead until the horse has been beaten on eHam...

OOOPs , missed a spot  :o. Still a little fresh meat left on this one. 


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 14, 2018, 03:50:52 PM
It's not dead until the horse has been beaten on eHam...

OOOPs , missed a spot  :o. Still a little fresh meat left on this one. 

LOL Guess there will be something there to beat for a while yet since the company is still in business. Including on a limited basis Ham Radio.

TT-1 Funeral Committee-0


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 14, 2018, 09:09:32 PM
I have more of a life than being an internet troll looking for companies to bash. 

OK, then please either show me, and everyone else, where in this thread I bashed Ten Tec or get lost. 

If not then you are the troll.

With every breath you make, with every post you make... continually degenerating the new Ten Tec by equating to the old company.  And you know it.

Like I thought, you have nothing.  I have not made one single denigrating statement about Ten Tec in this thread or you would have posted it.  Someone asked a question and I answered it. 

You my friend are an internet troll.



Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 14, 2018, 09:18:29 PM
You know the scene, it's been shown countless times on TV, the doctors try their best to save a patient but then the person in charge looks up and says 'I'm calling it, patient dead at 12:05.

Well, nobody put me in charge but I'm calling it anyway, Ten-Tec is dead on the table.

1) The web pages have not been updated for well over a year.

2) The 'store' on the web page shows twelve items and only one of those is a ham transceiver.

3) It's impossible to purchase an Eagle, an Omni or an Argonaut, even direct from the factory.

4) The last news update was in February 2017 when we were shown some pictures of PCB production and one image of a large shed with no sign above the door.

5) Although Ten-Tec did have a stand at Xenia I understand that it was nothing special and they had very little to sell apart from microphones.

6) Searching at HRO, Hamcity, Gigaparts and Universal Radio shows only second hand items and microphone cables

As a Ten-Tec rig owner I mourn their passing, but they're gone.

Peter DL8OV
Again?

Give it a rest!

Why? Because you say so?? 

You do that a lot, jump into these threads all indignant over nothing.  I mean if you owned stock in the company I could understand your angst you are ridiculous.  You're just some guy with an opinion, same as everyone else.  Do us a favor and give it a rest so we can discuss this like grown ups without your sanctimonious rubbish about funeral committees.   


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 15, 2018, 02:10:20 AM
Do us a favor and give it a rest so we can discuss this like grown ups without your sanctimonious rubbish about funeral committees.   

a. What is being discussed? Just the same old tired argument as to whether a company is alive or dead based on whether they produce ham radio equipment or not. Sorry, but being raised by a small business owner, and looking at TT; the company is still servicing their product, they are still selling TT brand equipment that may not be HR product, has a physical facility that they operate out of, exchanges goods and services for money, and pays any and all required taxes still constitutes a business entity.

So how "grown up" is it to say TT is dead? How "grown up" is it to base a wide reaching conclusion that something that is proven not true by a myriad of proof, i.e. namely TT company is dead? Does changing business models and the end product being changed really constitute the complete death of a company and be a "grown up" thing to say?

b. How is it sanctimonious rubbish when someone's opinion  of your "grown ups discussion" leads them to conclude that the only thing left are funeral committees to bury an entity that is not dead yet? A look back in other threads based around the life or death of TT uses words like "dead", "closed", "out of business", etc. One can conclude that some who use those words repeatedly could constitute a funeral committee due to some people repeating words that are, from a simple business standpoint, not true. While funeral committee may not be the best description of this group, it does summarize the opinion that can be formed from that "grown ups discussion".

The only "sanctimonious rubbish" I can see are generalized opinions that do not match up to the facts. "Give it a rest" is a personal opinion that neither supports or challenges the "grown ups discussion". So maybe it is "sanctimonious rubbish" to conclude that the opinion of another free thinking human who would like the world to move on to bigger and better subjects could be "sanctimonious rubbish".

But alas, this opinion will be considered by some as "sanctimonious rubbish" as well. But that's OK. I just consider those who would render such consideration as "funeral committee members". Works both ways boys and girls!


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: WB8NUT on November 15, 2018, 03:20:23 AM
I completely forgot about Ten Tec.  Why did someone have to bring up this subject again?
Art

Last week I attempted to order a new Ten-Tec Eagle on behalf of an amateur who has limited skills in English. After four days I finally gave up and wrote the original post on Eham. I'm a Ten-Tec owner myself and would have loved to see them survive but now I know that this is not the case. Maybe this makes me an Internet troll, I don't know, I'm just calling it as I see it.

Peter DL8OV

Hi Peter, I thought Mike said he was going to start producing Eagles again around this time/end of the year. I am surprised you are not able to order one as I know he was looking for buyers for the first production run.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W0BKR on November 15, 2018, 10:09:59 AM
When TT starts putting radios on the market, certain we will hear about it....until then..not much to say or post so.....
(just sayin).... ???


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 15, 2018, 11:07:52 AM
I completely forgot about Ten Tec.  Why did someone have to bring up this subject again?
Art

Last week I attempted to order a new Ten-Tec Eagle on behalf of an amateur who has limited skills in English. After four days I finally gave up and wrote the original post on Eham. I'm a Ten-Tec owner myself and would have loved to see them survive but now I know that this is not the case. Maybe this makes me an Internet troll, I don't know, I'm just calling it as I see it.

Peter DL8OV

Hi Peter, I thought Mike said he was going to start producing Eagles again around this time/end of the year. I am surprised you are not able to order one as I know he was looking for buyers for the first production run.

On the 2nd of August the owner posted that he had 10  Omni 7+ rigs built and ready, and enough material to build a hundred more but he was waiting to see if the 10 on hand sold before committing to building more.  That made sense, because he doesn't want to pour resources into the Omni 7+ if they are not going to sell.   I have not heard if anyone has bought one of the ten that were mentioned or not.  I would think if someone had bought one they would have posted about it on at least one of several sites. 

Also, there is nothing in the way of advertising, at least none that I can find right now.   Don't see any ads in QST or on any of the amateur radio chat boards so who knows what the status of those radios is.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: NN4RH on November 16, 2018, 06:51:42 PM

On the 2nd of August the owner posted that he had 10  Omni 7+ rigs built and ready, and enough material to build a hundred more but he was waiting to see if the 10 on hand sold before committing to building more.  That made sense, because he doesn't want to pour resources into the Omni 7+ if they are not going to sell.   I have not heard if anyone has bought one of the ten that were mentioned or not.  I would think if someone had bought one they would have posted about it on at least one of several sites.  


Close but not quite right.  Here's what N8WFF posted in QRZ on August 2 regarding the Omni 7+.  

For completeness, folks should read the whole post:  https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/is-ten-tec-still-in-business.622713/page-8#post-4752917

Quote
I stated that the updated Omni 7+ will be the first thing brought back. We've finished the sheet metal work and will place ten units up for sale sometime in the last quarter of this year. I will see how they sell and decide what to do next. A lot of people have said to me that if I make them available they will buy one. I'm doing my part to do what I said I will do. Now I will see if others will keep their promise to me.



Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 16, 2018, 08:34:38 PM

On the 2nd of August the owner posted that he had 10  Omni 7+ rigs built and ready, and enough material to build a hundred more but he was waiting to see if the 10 on hand sold before committing to building more.  That made sense, because he doesn't want to pour resources into the Omni 7+ if they are not going to sell.   I have not heard if anyone has bought one of the ten that were mentioned or not.  I would think if someone had bought one they would have posted about it on at least one of several sites.  


Close but not quite right.  Here's what N8WFF posted in QRZ on August 2 regarding the Omni 7+.  

For completeness, folks should read the whole post:  https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/is-ten-tec-still-in-business.622713/page-8#post-4752917

Quote
I stated that the updated Omni 7+ will be the first thing brought back. We've finished the sheet metal work and will place ten units up for sale sometime in the last quarter of this year. I will see how they sell and decide what to do next. A lot of people have said to me that if I make them available they will buy one. I'm doing my part to do what I said I will do. Now I will see if others will keep their promise to me.



And five posts later, his last post in the very same thread:

 
Quote
I'd like to counter the point that we are a specialty manufacturer of one offs. Look at the surface mount facility article. We have the capability of producing thousands and thousands of units. It is all a question of supply and demand. I said ten units of the Omni 7+ because that is what I have built up right now. I've got material to build a hundred more. Is it worth it to build them if the ten don't sell?

I didn't pluck that out of thin air but for completeness folks should read the whole post and compare it to the one quoted by NN4RH just to see if there are any inconsistencies between them.   https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/is-ten-tec-still-in-business.622713/page-9  

He also talks about a High Speed Sweep mod that can be installed in existing Omni 7's.

And just in case no one got the memo, we are in the last quarter of this year right now.



Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: WB8NUT on November 17, 2018, 05:02:52 AM
Actually, we are half-way through the quarter. It's almost over.

Also, can you order the Omni 7+ transceivers on the website? How does a company sell anything if the website cannot accept the orders?


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 17, 2018, 06:20:33 AM
Actually, we are half-way through the quarter. It's almost over.

Also, can you order the Omni 7+ transceivers on the website? How does a company sell anything if the website cannot accept the orders?

Phone system is not obsolete yet.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KC1BMD on November 17, 2018, 08:14:23 AM
I'm possibly interested in an Omni 7. FWIW, on 08-Oct-2018 I inquired through their web site and the same-day response was:

We hope to have the Omni VII in production within the next 2 months.
Thanks
Sales


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 17, 2018, 08:49:09 AM
I'm possibly interested in an Omni 7. FWIW, on 08-Oct-2018 I inquired through their web site and the same-day response was:

We hope to have the Omni VII in production within the next 2 months.
Thanks
Sales

If you are serious you should contact this guy ASAP.  He says it is brand new, never used and the price is very attractive.

https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/new-omni-vii.635000/


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: WB8NUT on November 18, 2018, 04:14:21 AM

Phone system is not obsolete yet.

That is so 20th Century. Yuck.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W5JON on November 18, 2018, 05:54:29 AM
I'm possibly interested in an Omni 7. FWIW, on 08-Oct-2018 I inquired through their web site and the same-day response was:

We hope to have the Omni VII in production within the next 2 months.
Thanks
Sales

Also:
1. The check is in the mail.
2. I will respect you in the morning.
3. There will be no changes after the acquisition.

73,
John





Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 18, 2018, 09:39:42 AM

Phone system is not obsolete yet.

That is so 20th Century. Yuck.

Don't have a modern phone then? Poor excuse for laziness.

Besides, your a ham...talk to someone.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 18, 2018, 03:55:31 PM

Phone system is not obsolete yet.

That is so 20th Century. Yuck.

Don't have a modern phone then? Poor excuse for laziness.

Besides, your a ham...talk to someone.

What good is a phone?  Who are you going to call?

Here is the contact page, do you see a phone number anywhere?


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 18, 2018, 04:27:16 PM

Phone system is not obsolete yet.

That is so 20th Century. Yuck.

Don't have a modern phone then? Poor excuse for laziness.

Besides, your a ham...talk to someone.

What good is a phone?  Who are you going to call?

Here is the contact page, do you see a phone number anywhere?


https://www.tentec.com/?page_id=12

No phone number.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 18, 2018, 05:02:49 PM

Phone system is not obsolete yet.

That is so 20th Century. Yuck.

Don't have a modern phone then? Poor excuse for laziness.

Besides, your a ham...talk to someone.

What good is a phone?  Who are you going to call?

Here is the contact page, do you see a phone number anywhere?


https://www.tentec.com/?page_id=12

No phone number.

Well I found a number in .13 seconds on google. But apparently they no longer want to talk to people anymore as the listed number says its no longer in service. Oh well. Guess Mike got sick of people calling and telling him how to run HIS business. Can't say I blame him. Too many armchair CEOs out there.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KA4DPO on November 19, 2018, 12:39:56 AM

Phone system is not obsolete yet.

That is so 20th Century. Yuck.

Don't have a modern phone then? Poor excuse for laziness.

Besides, your a ham...talk to someone.

What good is a phone?  Who are you going to call?

Here is the contact page, do you see a phone number anywhere?


https://www.tentec.com/?page_id=12

No phone number.

Well I found a number in .13 seconds on google. But apparently they no longer want to talk to people anymore as the listed number says its no longer in service. Oh well. Guess Mike got sick of people calling and telling him how to run HIS business. Can't say I blame him. Too many armchair CEOs out there.

Your post doesn't even make sense since I very seriously doubt that anyone called and told him how to run his business. 


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 19, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
Your post doesn't even make sense since I very seriously doubt that anyone called and told him how to run his business. 

Of course it doesn't make sense to those who claim the company is dead. Dead because Mike doesn't follow a particular line of thinking or others perceived business models.

Maybe you didn't call him John, but I am sure others did. I can't find the post, but Mike said he got calls way too often early after the takeover. It's natural for some to tell others how to run their business. If it were not so, there would be no controversy in these TT threads. It is also natural that some that did call would be the loudest deniers that they did. Just as many are the loudest detractors in these threads.

The good part is at least emails can be deleted unread where phone calls waste time. As I said, I can't blame him.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W0BKR on November 19, 2018, 04:15:56 AM
Looks like TT is really busy....(LOL)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z6nrFpLRS4

oldie but goodie


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W5JON on November 19, 2018, 09:53:12 AM
Hi,

Sounds about right to me . A "Amateur Radio company", that has no phone number to take orders, no sales department to take orders, no products to sell, no advertising, no distribution, an old web site with no products to order, has not made any Amateur Radios in years,  but says they "HOPE" to have TRIAL run of an Amateur Radio product soon.   No thank you....

73,

John


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: N5INP on November 19, 2018, 10:41:51 AM
Sounds about right to me . A "Amateur Radio company", that has no phone number to take orders, no sales department to take orders, no products to sell, no advertising, no distribution, an old web site with no products to order, has not made any Amateur Radios in years,  but says they "HOPE" to have TRIAL run of an Amateur Radio product soon.   No thank you....

Well this thread is so active I decided to take a look at their products, such as they are, as sort of an uninterested party with no particular bias. The Ten-Tec website has a slide show of products which are presented in such a shoddy manner I'd personally never consider any of them. If you look at the pictures they are just awful photography, the "top-of-the-line" radio looks like it has dust sprinkled all over it, the QRP Transceiver Kit - Model 1380 looks like a 6th grader scanned it in on a 1990's scanner.

The parent company is who? Dishtronix? I went to that site via the link on their page, and it shows two ham products a +$10,000 amp  :o and a wattmeter ... which is no longer produced -

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"THIS PRODUCT IS DISCONTINUED DUE TO THEFT OF THE PRODUCT BY THE TAIWANESE SUBCONTRACTOR.
ANY “NEW” METERS FOR SALE AFTER 2008 ARE PIRATE COPIES AND NOT ELIGIBLE FOR DISHTRONIX WARRANTY SERVICE"

http://www.dishtronix.com/wattmeter.html

Not impressive.

I hope they can survive but they won't get much business with such unprofessional marketing.  ::)


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: WB8NUT on November 23, 2018, 06:15:35 AM
Well Mike is trying to rebuild the business with limited capital and that is difficult. He seems to be successful with producing commercial radios. Going forward he is going to have much difficulty re-entering the amateur market. The radio designs are now old and no longer competitive with the radios from Flex and Elecraft.

The crowd (and I am in that crowd) that bought from TenTec in the past, bought from them because they were an American manufacturer, had repair services at a reasonable cost, and frankly they were really good radios and were not that difficult to operate like the Japanese radio with their complicated and at time confusing menus systems.

I think the TenTec crowd for the most part has moved onto Flex and Elecraft. Flex has really stolen the show now with their new radios sporting front panels. If I were in the market for another HF transceiver right now, it would be a Flex for sure.

At this point I think it is a waste of time for Mike and TenTec to produce "upgraded" Eagle or Omni radios. The only thing that I see working is a new SDR design that will build excitement and get people to take a look at the new TenTec.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W4KVW on November 23, 2018, 06:52:09 AM
Hi,

Sounds about right to me . A "Amateur Radio company", that has no phone number to take orders, no sales department to take orders, no products to sell, no advertising, no distribution, an old web site with no products to order, has not made any Amateur Radios in years,  but says they "HOPE" to have TRIAL run of an Amateur Radio product soon.   No thank you....

73,

John

AMEN & AMEN! They were a Bad Joke when they were in Tennessee.I went in & looked around & it was like a ghost town.One guy in the entire place & he could not even answer most questions.I was no longer wondering why they were failing once I spent that 45 minutes or so there.I have been playing radio since 1965 & I have never seen anything quiet like the TEN-TEC headquarters & I knew then I would never waste my time or money on anything they build.No wonder they could not produce or work on a piece of gear when there was nobody around to do it.Even the crank up tower outside with the TH-7 yagi was cranked all the way down & looking as if it had seen much better days long ago.Just what I want is to purchase a piece of gear & have an issue & no way of contacting the company for repairs or better yet nobody to work on it if I sent it back.

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: WD0BCT on November 23, 2018, 09:32:53 AM
I had a Ten Tec Triton IV purchased new.  I thought it was a wonderfull transceiver.  The company was well then (1977) and many products followed.  :)
I think Ten Ten was having problems long before it quit producing.  New ownership and relocation was a noble attempt at keeping the name and production alive.  So far it does not appear to be going anywhere and with the current state of affairs in the amateur marketplace I don't imagine it will.  A number of things would have to happen before Ten Ten could become a successful amateur market producer.  Like Judy Tenuda used to say "IT COULD HAPPEN!"  The reality is "not very probable".  :(

A business can be alive but if not profitable it won't be around for long.  And electronic gear production here in the states has always been "borderline"....pun intended.  We specialize in ideas not nuts and bolts production.  What production remains is often niche oriented however....and amateur radio is a niche.  8)
 


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: AK4YH on November 24, 2018, 01:20:48 AM
What Ten Tec should do is go back to basics, produce a simple quality kit, not try to come back to the level of Elecraft of Flex. Elecraft has practically left the kit business with the demise of the KX1 and K1. Well, they still sell the K2 kit, but for how long? But the kit business is what brought them to where they are now...

Gil.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: KAPT4560 on November 24, 2018, 05:15:51 AM
 I have fun building kits, project prototyping, and tinkering. I have built Eico, Heath, Radio Shack, Ten-Tec, MFJ, home-brews, etc. kits, but the old days of 'basics' are pretty much gone.

 The problem with electronic hobby kits nowadays in that the through-hole circuit board technology is so 20th century. Ten-Tec has heavily invested in SMT, multi-layer circuit board technology.
 SMT does not lend itself to easy kit-building or service at home without special tools. ESD controls and lead-free solder are other workbench considerations that must be taken into account.
 I know that this doesn't apply to all of you, as some of you have advanced service facilities at home.

 Household voltages can be hazardous. Most kits are battery-operated so there is little chance of bodily harm. We live in an increasingly litigious society. Death or injury just cannot be chanced for a responsible corporate entity. It is sad, but it is the way things are now.

 The manufacturer can only control product quality under their own roof. Vendors and suppliers are vetted and under constant scrutiny. Variability in kit-builders assembly skills and other things that are out of Ten-Tec's control, may come back to hurt their reputation if the kit-builder claims that their poor results is the fault of the company and not them.
 
 Kits that are returned for service or warranty repair can be a real headache for the technical service staff. As long as a factory-manufactured product returns with its tamper seals intact, they can honor any agreements or adjustments. Otherwise, no.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W1BR on November 24, 2018, 08:09:03 AM
I find it amazing that hams still bash the new startup company based on their opinions of a defunct company that no longer exists.

If Mike ever runs a production line of new Ten Tecs ham rigs,  it will never be to the satisfaction of the haters.  They will hate the design, the packaging, or bash based on whatever trivia they can dredge. 

Personally, I am happy the legacy lives on to some extend, even if commercial in nature.  There is always the chance that they will do more in the ham field besides the Rebel, which is still being sold.

By the way,  besides Elecraft and Flex, there is also the made in the USA  DZ Sienna transceiver, which is available as a kit.  Expensive radio, a small one man company, an excellent product, and still in business.  DZ is probably comparable to what Ten Tec could become.   



Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: N9AOP on November 24, 2018, 09:14:07 AM
I have owned TT equipment and it was top shelf.  These days it is very hard to compete with the big three.  If Mike puts a new ham radio on the market and hopes to sell more than a few it probably should have lots of bling and also be super competitive price wise. 
Art


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: AC7CW on November 24, 2018, 01:40:47 PM
Maybe somebody with engineering talent could design a direct sampling sdr that does qsk like the Ten Tec radios of yore? Said individual could team up with Ten Tec and let them cobble it into a box with great ergonomics. More than a few might find their way into our hamshacks...


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: AK4YH on November 24, 2018, 02:08:09 PM
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SMT does not lend itself to easy kit-building

I disagree. I have built a few Weber designs, all SMT, and in many ways find it easier than through-hole. I have built them with a fine-tip soldering iron, no special tools. The ICs are not easy, but soldering anything else is a breeze. People fear SMT because it's new, but it isn't much harder than through-hole.

Gil.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: W9FIB on November 24, 2018, 02:14:52 PM
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SMT does not lend itself to easy kit-building

I disagree. I have built a few Weber designs, all SMT, and in many ways find it easier than through-hole. I have built them with a fine-tip soldering iron, no special tools. The ICs are not easy, but soldering anything else is a breeze. People fear SMT because it's new, but it isn't much harder than through-hole.

Gil.

When you have shaky hands like I do, SMT is a PITA to work on. While it is great for some, it's not great for all.


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: N9FB on November 24, 2018, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: DL8OV
You know the scene, it's been shown countless times on TV, the doctors try their best to save a patient but then the person in charge looks up and says 'I'm calling it, patient dead at 12:05.
Well, nobody put me in charge but I'm calling it anyway, Ten-Tec is dead on the table.
[....]
As a Ten-Tec rig owner I mourn their passing, but they're gone.

The current thread title is false advertising unless you change the title to:
DL8OV's opinion on the future of Ten-Tec

afterall that is all it is.  we all have opinions but Ten-Tec is not dead until the owner buries it and that has not happened.
so the proper thing for us to do is put a lid on this and stop badmouthing or fanboying the owner's chances of success.

I will leave this link here and maybe a moderator will do the right thing and lock this thread until such a time as the link no longer works or the link shows xcvrs for sale.  73

www.tentec.com (http://www.tentec.com)


Title: RE: Ten-Tec
Post by: N9AOP on November 24, 2018, 08:24:52 PM
Why lock this thread?  Right now it is the liveliest on this venue.
Art