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Title: Goodbye Google
Post by: KC8KTN on November 21, 2018, 11:17:36 AM
I am trying a new search engine.
www.duckduckgo.com
Good luck
Now I will probably find out google owns them..Jeeeezze


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: SOFAR on November 21, 2018, 12:21:46 PM
I tried duckduckgo, search results don't show dates. You have to click/open, only to realize it's 15 year old info.

So I went with Bing. Had to get away from go0gle and its AMP (Accelerated Mobile Pages).


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: KX4OM on November 21, 2018, 01:48:34 PM
I've been using Duck as default on Firefox for 3 or 4 years on Linux, Windows and Android.

Ted, KX4OM


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: NE1U on November 21, 2018, 02:50:15 PM
It depends ... it depends on what I am looking for and/or how long it has been since I last used duck or Bing or Google. On rare occasion baidu which is very conservative. He!!s bells I even rotate in MS Edge.  Seriously, I do.


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: W4AMP on November 22, 2018, 09:46:25 PM
I miss Alta Vista.

and 

WOW

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Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: K5CQB on November 24, 2018, 01:05:49 PM
QWANT


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: LYFAN on November 24, 2018, 01:12:33 PM
Giggle returns more results than DDG, but Giggle also records and datamines every keystroke you make. Including voice scans on the Giggle Assistant, messages on the GVoice phones, Gmail...incredibly comprehensive. And even when you can turn things off, that option is usually so well buried that you can't find it. And, regular updates tend to turn the datamining back on, even if you said "NO" on the last version.

DDG supposedly records nothing, and so far hasn't been caught at any of that.

Of course, most internet providers also record every IP address of every DNS request that you make, so they're keeping records of everyplace you go and datamining from that--unless you also use a DNS provider that keeps no records.


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: AC7CW on November 24, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
ProtonVPN is available. They provide their own DNS and afaik encryption of the last mile. I tried them out at the local coffee shop where I will always get a man in the middle attack; not a problem at all. If google and all the other data miners don't know who/where you are they can't collect much info. Targeted advertising will be the tipoff I guess, so far I'm not seeing anything of the sort...


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: W8JX on November 24, 2018, 02:20:21 PM
Giggle returns more results than DDG, but Giggle also records and datamines every keystroke you make. Including voice scans on the Giggle Assistant, messages on the GVoice phones, Gmail...incredibly comprehensive. And even when you can turn things off, that option is usually so well buried that you can't find it. And, regular updates tend to turn the datamining back on, even if you said "NO" on the last version

I wonder how many that "worry" about Google use Facebook which is far worse about tracking than google. Facebook knows everywhere you go on web and keeps every chat you have had thru them. I have never had a FB account and never will and I block all FB scripts on web sites.


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: PU2OZT on November 24, 2018, 02:40:40 PM
QWANT

searx.me

CompuServe was great! ... in its days, thinking of it

Oliver


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: W8JX on November 24, 2018, 04:28:14 PM

CompuServe was great! ... in its days, thinking of it


I remember using it. I recall using something before that but cannot remember name.


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: WW7KE on November 24, 2018, 06:39:02 PM

CompuServe was great! ... in its days, thinking of it

I remember using it. I recall using something before that but cannot remember name.

I used GEnie back in the mid/late 1980s, as well as various local BBSes, but once Al Gore invented the Internet, it was Compuserve for me, then AT&T Worldnet after AOHell bought out Compuserve. 

But once high speed Internet became available to me in 2000, I signed up immediately.  It cost only a few bucks ($40) more than AT&T Worldnet ($23) + the 2nd phone line ($12).


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: K1FBI on November 25, 2018, 06:27:41 AM
I use InBrowser, SwiftKey Keyboard and Bing. Do not use the voice typing as it utilizes Google Voice. Google Voice keeps recordings and a text description of ALL your typing/searches. That I find unnerving.


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: K7MEM on November 25, 2018, 09:05:17 AM
I do a lot of searches and find that Google gives me the best links. I run the latest version of Google Chrome and have Adblocker Plus and Chrometana installed. I seldom see any advertisements. I can usually see anywhere from 10 to 200 ads being blocked. QRZ is a big site for blocked ads. Some sites complain when they see it, but I never allow it to be turned off. I guess there is nothing wrong with Bing, but I just never cared for it. Chrometana automatically redirects Bing searches to Google. Overall it works great.

I'm sure Google Chrome, like most of the other browsers, collects info on your site visits and searches. So I regularly throw away all my cookies and delete my browsing history. But then, I guess, they have a history of your history.


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: W8JX on November 25, 2018, 10:02:18 AM

I used GEnie back in the mid/late 1980s, as well as various local BBSes, but once Al Gore invented the Internet, it was Compuserve for me, then AT&T Worldnet after AOHell bought out Compuserve. 


That was it, I used GEnie for several years before Compuserve. BTW The Internet was invented in 70's and was first between a few Universities then government got involved and started using it too. It went public in mid 90's.


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: KC1GCG on December 08, 2018, 10:17:01 PM
I tried duck as the no tracking thing sounded good but the date thing and the overall results keeps me going back to google even though I dislike those punk butts that run it:) 
Now I was a big fan of Alta Vista but what about hotbot.com?
And compuserve? Wow I loved that site. Some of the forums were amazing. On the space forum I posted about my visit to the cape and how blown away I was by the Saturn V on display and Jesco von Puttkammer replied (google him-  or ddg him:) . That was pretty cool.
On another I wrote about my distant contribution to the shuttle program being the test tech who tested and calibrated a fiber optic temp measuring system Rockwell used in developing the heat shielding tiles and I got a reply from the then current payload manager for the shuttle program thanking me for my part in keeping his payloads cool. Dick Scobie used to post on there also....
Pretty cool stuff in its day....probably around the time we were marveling at the "high speed" 128k speed dial up we recently got.
And what about Netscape? Looks like Netflix is doing a series based on Netscape.
Pretty cool for those of us that lived before anything beeped at us but also got to see all this stuff be born and grow.....


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: WI8P on December 09, 2018, 02:54:22 AM

I used GEnie back in the mid/late 1980s, as well as various local BBSes, but once Al Gore invented the Internet, it was Compuserve for me, then AT&T Worldnet after AOHell bought out Compuserve. 


That was it, I used GEnie for several years before Compuserve. BTW The Internet was invented in 70's and was first between a few Universities then government got involved and started using it too. It went public in mid 90's.

More than that, back then people ran bulletin boards (precursor to forums) that you needed the phone number to call into using a modem.  Each bulletin board had a different phone number to call, and yes, long distance rates did apply, so you had to know where you were calling unless you were phone freaking (fooling Ma Bell into believing you were calling from another number). Downloads at 300 baud took eons! Like forums, the bulletin boards were generally themed about a specific interest with a general topics area.


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: KM1H on December 09, 2018, 02:48:18 PM
I started with Arpanet in the late 70's thru Mitre and MIT-Lincoln Labs when I was in a very secure group at Sanders Associates working on a DoD/CIA project.

Slow and error recovery was almost nil via an acoustic 300 baud modem.

Carl


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: KD0REQ on December 09, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
CompuServe on an Atari 400, augmented to 48 Kb RAM and an old keyboard I rewired and connected to the 400 via db25s. Then AOL and finally after a road project shortened the cable, a blistering 384 kB dsl circuit. I’m one of the thousands who voted to open The Connected Internet to commercial use. I get paid to ride herd on 14 states’s worth of dsl and GPON and fix things. I adhere to a simple flowchart...find trouble, fix it. Don’t find trouble, make it :-D.


Title: RE: Goodbye Google
Post by: WI8P on December 11, 2018, 03:08:19 AM
CompuServe on an Atari 400, augmented to 48 Kb RAM and an old keyboard I rewired and connected to the 400 via db25s. Then AOL and finally after a road project shortened the cable, a blistering 384 kB dsl circuit. I’m one of the thousands who voted to open The Connected Internet to commercial use. I get paid to ride herd on 14 states’s worth of dsl and GPON and fix things. I adhere to a simple flowchart...find trouble, fix it. Don’t find trouble, make it :-D.

LOL - I owned a 400 for about two hours.  I took it back to the store and they let me trade it in on a 800.  I just couldn't live with that keyboard!  Losing data on bad cassette recorders drove me to disks too.  How incredibly far we've come.  ;D