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Title: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: BURGERLOVER65 on November 23, 2018, 03:15:46 PM
I never tell anyone I am a ham because it leaves a negative impression. First of all people will suspect you will interfere with their television reception if you live nearby. Second the word implies a bent at best or a compulsion at worst and a non professional compulsion like a eccentric relative or neighbor who moved years ago unexpectedly

I just tell people I am a technician, engineer and will be down in the Covar Valley on a job.

I don't mention radio whatsoever because that opens up another can of worms....illegal operation, pirate radio, religious fanatic, political nut.

Never post as a ham online so everyone knows your home address. Think most hams are nice? You must be a newbie or deceived. Friends are only people you've know very well for a long time.

You will save much grief if you follow my advice.

Dave
Electrical engineer


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N5INP on November 23, 2018, 03:46:52 PM
Never post as a ham online so everyone knows your home address.

Here we go again!  :D


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on November 23, 2018, 04:12:19 PM
I never tell anyone I am a ham...

And the ham community thanks you.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: AB4ZT on November 23, 2018, 04:57:27 PM
I never tell anyone I am a ham...

And the ham community thanks you.

Touchdown!


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on November 23, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
I tell everyone... I don't care what they think or how dirty my CB amp is


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K0UA on November 23, 2018, 05:59:59 PM
I never tell anyone I am a ham because it leaves a negative impression. First of all people will suspect you will interfere with their television reception if you live nearby. Second the word implies a bent at best or a compulsion at worst and a non professional compulsion like a eccentric relative or neighbor who moved years ago unexpectedly

I just tell people I am a technician, engineer and will be down in the Covar Valley on a job.

I don't mention radio whatsoever because that opens up another can of worms....illegal operation, pirate radio, religious fanatic, political nut.

Never post as a ham online so everyone knows your home address. Think most hams are nice? You must be a newbie or deceived. Friends are only people you've know very well for a long time.

You will save much grief if you follow my advice.

Dave
Electrical engineer

We know two things for sure,  well maybe 3 things.  1: You are not a ham or you would have a call-sign
2:  You really really love burgers
3:  Your paranoid as all getout.   In other words, "Lighten up Francis"*

*Appologies to Warren Oates in Stripes.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N8AUC on November 23, 2018, 06:25:08 PM

Never post as a ham online so everyone knows your home address. Think most hams are nice? You must be a newbie or deceived. Friends are only people you've know very well for a long time.

You will save much grief if you follow my advice.

Well, what this really hints at is that Dave is a bit anti social.
True, friends are people you know very well, for a long time.
Should be an "or" in there.

My direct long term (40 years) experience is that most hams ARE nice people, who usually
have a genuine desire to help and be helpful. I learned this by going out to meet other hams
and get to know them. The most common venue for doing this is to get involved with a
local club. It might be a "breakfast bunch" who gets together on a Saturday morning.
And I don't mean just show up at a few meetings, and grouse about how things aren't
how you like them. I mean attend meetings, participate in the events, help out at Field
Day and the club picnic. Stick around for the "meeting after the meeting", whether it's
a shoot the bull session out in the parking lot afterwards, or coffee and donuts, or
maybe even going out for a bite to eat with the group after the meeting.

Over the past 40 years, I've made a LOT of friends via ham radio. Some of those
friendships have even led to employment opportunities. But hams are generally not
that outgoing socially. You have to go to them, because they aren't going to come
to you, usually due to shyness. Especially if you're new. Oh, some can be plenty
bold with a microphone in their hands, but in person, not so much. Once you make
the effort though, it becomes totally worth it.

Now when it comes to dealing with neighbors, etc. I've never had a problem there
either. You will save yourself much grief if you just treat other people the way you
want to be treated. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
Be nice to people, and they'll usually be nice to you. I've never had anyone complain
about the antennas in my back yard, or on my house. I've had a few ask about them.
But once I explain what it's for and what we do with them, they usually walk away
glad that they're up there. But never speak to a neighbor in a condescending manner.
Even if you really ARE way smarter than they are, it is generally a bad idea to point
it out to them. All that does is piss them off, and create an adversarial relationship
from which it is very difficult to recover.

Now that's just my experience over the years. Naturally, your mileage may vary.
It's kind of an attitude thing, and believe it or not, yours makes a huge difference.

73 de N8AUC
Eric
(I am an electrical engineer also!)
 


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K6BRN on November 23, 2018, 08:34:30 PM
I've usually been treated well whe I tell people I'm a ham.

First, they look at me a little strange.

Then often ask, "Is that, like, CB?" (usually the older ones)

Often they develop a sad look on their faces.

Pat me on the head.

And sometimes give me a biscuit.

I like the biscuit.

I wish they gave me biscuits at work.

I'm an engineer, too.  We work for food.

(Apologies to all - Just could NOT help myself!)


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: G3RZP on November 24, 2018, 03:08:37 AM
A few years back, I was in a bar at Washington National airport. The guy beside me was chatting and asked where I was going and I told him Dayton. He asked 'what the hell is there in Dayton worth going for? I told him I was going for the Hamvention, the biggest ham radio event in the US. The bar maid broke in and said that 'radio hams are really marvellous people'. Apparently when she was about 8 years old and living in the US Virgin Islands, a hurricane came and there was no power or communications. Her dad heard about a radio amateur who had a generator and could send messages to the mainland and they went to his house. They were only allowed a 25 word telegram, but they heard afterwards from her uncle that he had a long distance 'phone call from somebody he had never heard of who lived three states away, relaying the message. Almost 50 years later, she had never forgotten this and still felt radio amateurs were marvellous people........


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: WI8P on November 24, 2018, 03:27:53 AM
Never post as a ham online so everyone knows your home address.

I'm glad I don't live my life with that kind of paranoia. Not only do I not hide my call sign online, my major ride has my sign as its license plate.  Maybe I'll get to talk to John Malkovich when he decides to stalk and assassinate me.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Windows-Picture-File/n-BQ2vfS/i-Nnbspw5/0/e02eca7d/S/i-Nnbspw5-S.jpg)


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K5LXP on November 24, 2018, 05:14:26 AM
You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Hams' hygiene issues attracts them too.

Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM



Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N5INP on November 24, 2018, 05:21:59 AM
This is so funny though. As I said before - OK you can see a callsign (a set of symbols) on the internets and look up a name and address ... SO WHAT LOL.

I can do the same thing all day long by getting symbols from the street - it's called an address number. I can go to the taxing authority and get name after name after name  - as many as I want.

I could dig in most people's trash or recycling and get your name, electric company, water company, bank name, receipt showing how many drill bits you bought from Amazon last week. Sure you can shred all that but do most people? NO!

SO WHAT?  ::)


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K7MEM on November 24, 2018, 06:05:45 AM
I can do the same thing all day long by getting symbols from the street - it's called an address number. I can go to the taxing authority and get name after name after name  - as many as I want.

You don't even need a street address. You can go onto the county web site and see all of the properties in the vicinity. From there you can get the owners name, address (sometimes this is different then the physical address), what they paid for the property, tax information, check for variances and permits, etc.. Lots of information is available.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N5INP on November 24, 2018, 08:17:04 AM
You don't even need a street address. You can go onto the county web site and see all of the properties in the vicinity. From there you can get the owners name, address (sometimes this is different then the physical address), what they paid for the property, tax information, check for variances and permits, etc.. Lots of information is available.


Right - but OMG!

DO NOT POST YOUR CALLSIGN ON THE EHAM FORUM!

Don't you know that criminal masterminds scour the forums looking for hams addresses so they can steal their antenna analyzer!


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: WA2ONH on November 24, 2018, 10:02:03 AM
From the VISUAL CAPITALIST site a recent article is noted below.
http://www.visualcapitalist.com/

Here’s What the Big Tech Companies Know About You
JEFF DESJARDINS on November 19, 2018
http://www.visualcapitalist.com/heres-what-the-big-tech-companies-know-about-you/

If you wish to maintain a very low profile, the worse thing to do is get a cell phone, use a Computer
and get on the Internet for interactions via social media forums and/or shop!

Let's be careful out there!


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N8AUC on November 24, 2018, 09:34:14 PM
You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Hams' hygiene issues attracts them too.

Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM



This is funny. But sometimes true.
I rarely see hams with hygiene issues at club gatherings.
But at hamfests it seems much more likely. Still not the majority though.

73 de N8AUC
Eric




Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KC8KTN on November 24, 2018, 09:44:06 PM
I smell a TROLL with this topic... Keeping it real.. Nuff said.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N8AUC on November 24, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
I'm glad I don't live my life with that kind of paranoia.
Not only do I not hide my call sign online, my major ride has my sign as its license plate. 


I proudly display Amateur Radio call sign plates on my vehicle as well.

In Ohio, they are the least expensive personalized license plates you can get.
The story I heard behind that, is that it is in recognition of the public service that
hams perform.

I think they also make you drive a bit more carefully and considerately.
Piss someone off on the road, and they could be waiting for you when you get home.
I've never had this happen in the 25 years I've had call sign plates either.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K1FBI on November 25, 2018, 06:32:55 AM
@KTN.. You may smell the Troll due to HIS hygiene problem.  :o


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K1FBI on November 25, 2018, 06:35:35 AM
The term Ham always reminded me of the phrase ham-and-egger.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N4MU on November 25, 2018, 06:48:16 AM
Awww...come on all of you. I heard through the grapevine that Dave is a real hoot at his ham...I mean AMATEUR club's annual Christmas party. He's the one they talk about all year.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KC9YTJ on November 25, 2018, 06:56:17 AM
This kind of discussion gets old.  We all know what to do about problems of perception.  Sitting around whinging about it on an Internet forum doesn't make the situation better.

The only actual impression a random person will have of amateur radio operators is the one you present them with.  (I'll never forget pulling up to a gas pump in Logansport, Indiana, and the two good ol' boys on the other side of the pump going, "KC9YTJ.  Wonder what that means?"  Most people have not a clue.)

If you have the misfortune to meet people who do have a negative impression of hams, it's up to YOU to present a positive example, whether it corrects their preconceived notions or not.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K7MEM on November 25, 2018, 08:05:51 AM
I proudly display Amateur Radio call sign plates on my vehicle as well.

In Ohio, they are the least expensive personalized license plates you can get.
The story I heard behind that, is that it is in recognition of the public service that
hams perform.

I think they also make you drive a bit more carefully and considerately.
Piss someone off on the road, and they could be waiting for you when you get home.
I've never had this happen in the 25 years I've had call sign plates either.

I don't know if it makes you be a bit more careful and considerate. I have had my call sign on my license plate since I made Extra (1999). I am a fairly aggressive driver, but have never had anyone use my call sign to find me.

As KC9YTJ pointed out, most people, except for hams, don't recognize a Amateur Radio call sign. My call sign plates are not Amateur Radio plates. They are simply vanity plates. So there is no bolt of lightening or antenna tower or anything else to identify the plate as a Amateur Radio plate. So I always get questions on my plate. They expect to see a "K9" on the plate and are stumped with the "K7".


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: G3RZP on November 25, 2018, 10:36:16 AM
Not that many years ago, there were some major floods in the North West. IIRC, it was the Governor of Washington state who visited a refugee centre for those made homeless and made the statement the 'real heroes here are the hams'....


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K1FBI on November 25, 2018, 11:19:31 AM
In Colorado they are known as Baked Hams.  8)


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: JAZZMAN on November 25, 2018, 02:21:36 PM
I dont know on the air but here you ge more respect if you have a call sign.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on November 25, 2018, 02:28:09 PM
I dont know on the air but here you ge more respect if you have a call sign.

This is true. it is better if the FCC doesn't cancel it.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on November 25, 2018, 02:34:50 PM
I dont know on the air but here you ge more respect if you have a call sign.

This is true. it is better if the FCC doesn't cancel it.

It helps if one can play well with others.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K1FBI on November 25, 2018, 02:43:42 PM
How can you be a ham if you don't have a callsign? More of a pirate, I would think, if the FCC took away your callsign and privileges.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: BURGERLOVER65 on November 25, 2018, 03:15:15 PM
Thanks for all the humorous responses that pretty well prove my points. Out of 600 reads there are at least half a dozen kooks living less than a hundred miles away. Yeah, you with the face.....


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: JAZZMAN on November 25, 2018, 04:15:45 PM
What point were you trying to prove?


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on November 25, 2018, 04:33:21 PM
Thanks for all the humorous responses that pretty well prove my points. Out of 600 reads there are at least half a dozen kooks living less than a hundred miles away. Yeah, you with the face.....


We aim to please


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: JAZZMAN on November 25, 2018, 04:46:23 PM
No you dont you aim to hurt people and make them feel bad.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K6CPO on November 25, 2018, 07:23:36 PM
No you dont you aim to hurt people and make them feel bad.

I thought for a minute you'd gotten a new screen name...


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on November 26, 2018, 05:09:46 AM
No you dont you aim to hurt people and make them feel bad.

Who is trying to hurt people?
Have a nice day Jazzman


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KC8KTN on November 26, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
 ;D ;D
When I tell people that I am a ham I allways hear is that like cb. Keeping in Real. Nuff said..


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K6UJ on November 26, 2018, 05:32:01 PM
I never tell anyone I am a ham because it leaves a negative impression. First of all people will suspect you will interfere with their television reception if you live nearby. Second the word implies a bent at best or a compulsion at worst and a non professional compulsion like a eccentric relative or neighbor who moved years ago unexpectedly

I just tell people I am a technician, engineer and will be down in the Covar Valley on a job.

I don't mention radio whatsoever because that opens up another can of worms....illegal operation, pirate radio, religious fanatic, political nut.

Never post as a ham online so everyone knows your home address. Think most hams are nice? You must be a newbie or deceived. Friends are only people you've know very well for a long time.

You will save much grief if you follow my advice.

Dave
Electrical engineer


https://i.postimg.cc/fRJWm2j2/107320-full.jpg

Nuff said..........
K6UJ


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KD7YVV on November 26, 2018, 06:42:35 PM
C'mon Dave,
Tell us how you REALLY feel.
There are sites like Zabasearch, Peoplefinders etc. that not only list your name, your address, and possibly your telephone number.
They also list your possible relatives, and clicking on their name will bring up all their info as well.
There are also these nefarious shopping sites like E-Bay, and OfferUp, as well as Google that keeps track of
every search from your IP address. If you have an IP enabled camera, you might be watched by people on the internet.
Careful Dave, they ARE out to get you. Best get rid of all your electronics, leave your house, go out into the remote
wilderness, find a cave or build an underground (ie: invisible) room, and hide.
Whatever you do, don't forget your towel. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy says the Earth is mostly harmless.
Merry Christmas :)


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: VE3PP on November 27, 2018, 12:39:30 PM
I once told my regular Sunday golf partners I would not be playing the following Sunday. When asked why I said "I am going to a hamfest"

One of them asked me if I could pick him up a honey baked ham.

True story  ;D

As far as telling people I have my amateur radio license, I never get "So you're the guy interfering with my TV" or any other negative comments.

Maybe Burgerlover has a bad attitude to begin with and that is the reason no one likes him. Not the fact he is a ham!


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on November 27, 2018, 12:53:45 PM
I once told my regular Sunday golf partners I would not be playing the following Sunday. When asked why I said "I am going to a hamfest"

One of them asked me if I could pick him up a honey baked ham.

True story  ;D

As far as telling people I have my amateur radio license, I never get "So you're the guy interfering with my TV" or any other negative comments.

Maybe Burgerlover has a bad attitude to begin with and that is the reason no one likes him. Not the fact he is a ham!

Maybe he made his burger with ham instead of beef .... That is a lot stranger than being a Ham....


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KS2G on November 27, 2018, 03:06:43 PM

As far as telling people I have my amateur radio license,...

I think if you ask around, you'll find that the most common response is: People still do that?!!

 ;)


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on November 27, 2018, 03:51:09 PM
Maybe Burgerlover has a bad attitude to begin with and that is the reason no one likes him. Not the fact he is a ham!

Precisely! Sadly he and his type (Jazzman, FBI and KTN, etc.) will never figure that out.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: RENTON481 on November 28, 2018, 02:43:38 AM
I can see the OP's point. Perhaps he has had bad interactions with neighbors complaining about RFI, QRM to their TVs and the like.

Not everybody has the same experiences.



Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KC8KTN on November 28, 2018, 11:11:58 AM
Let me be Perfectly Clear . Ham Radio does not have a negative Impression. If anyone believes this is Mistaken. Keeping it Real. Nuff said.
Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the hobby. 73

P.S. Elvis Presley was a ham it can not be all that bad..


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K4JJL on November 28, 2018, 01:44:39 PM
Let me be Perfectly Clear . Ham Radio does not have a negative Impression. If anyone believes this is Mistaken.

(https://i.imgur.com/V0l2ZSW.gif)



Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: WXSHAM on November 30, 2018, 09:12:05 PM
While I really like amateur radio, there seems to be a significant percentage of people when they think about ham radio think about either those zombie shows or preppers which they seems to have a rather negative vibe with them. (We all know TV can have a big influence... it apparently still does)

 I've tend to not talking about amateur radio to most non-ham folks (partly that and I'm guessing lack of interest from those folks or maybe I'm just not interesting :) ).  (Even my XYL thinks I'm doing something crazy when when using FT-8 hearing all those FT-8 sounds :) ).

So we should continue to think about how to attract folks into the hobby and how it can be portrayed in the best light.

Lots of folks have pointed out the privacy issues with the internet, cell phones, etc.  Most people dont use their real names on random websites they post to, other than things like facebook to a "smallish" group of friends.  Ham radio is sort of like posting your information to random websites you visit if you leave your callsign.  Why don't people use their real names and addresses on all craigslist ads? Well maybe because they are worried about people coming to take their stuff or worse perhaps?  Same is true for a lot of other websites like that.  It wouldn't hurt the hobby for the FCC public database to just have first name, callsign and town/state available would it?

In this day and age when someone can leave a bad tip at a restaurant (Maybe they deserved it) - and they could in turn post that name on the internet to publicly shame the person (and it goes viral) is that acceptable or not? (And they did that with perhaps just a name - What can someone else do with a name and address?)  In some cases what people has posted (possibly with just a name) has cost them their job or more.

We are in a new age of data where data can be used to help people or hurt them, so it might not be a bad idea to be mindful about your data.

I think there are lots of great things about this hobby and it can be a great help to people and the community.
I love the breadth and depth of this hobby from everything from operating to learning electronics, building your own radio, etc.
I also realize not everyone shares this view (though that is probably true of many things.  It's good to be aware of though so we can work on improving where we can).



Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K1QQQ on December 01, 2018, 02:06:47 AM
 ??? ???


Who is behind the HAM thing?


#1--- half the earth hates PORK.  Seems to me a stupid choice. If you throw a HAM into a pig pen the pigs will eat it instant. Why do you think ham can be so economical at times...from countries with too much population...??? ??? ??? ???


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2WIG on December 01, 2018, 06:53:07 AM



Post Office Box.


Another worry sent to bed W/O dinner.

KLC


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: WXSHAM on December 01, 2018, 08:00:10 AM



Post Office Box.


Another worry sent to bed W/O dinner.

KLC

That is a great idea though you would have had to do that prior to ever getting your license, because the license database has address/name history I believe.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2WIG on December 01, 2018, 10:31:04 AM
People do move......

Anyways, now we're back to worrying what other people think, or ' they'll find out where I live  '.  I have to show my name & address to buy beer.... ( I caused a problem in the grocery store when I showed the 17 YO clerk a draft card. The supervisor had a hard time understanding what it was. "This is not a valid military ID." Fun times.)

A long time ago, there were things called "phone books", that had your name, address and telephone number. You had to pay to not have this listed. And then  buy something at RadioShaft without giving them your address. 1984 Oceania Way, Oceania NY was nice.

On another note, what is the call of the YL in John's .gif ?

klc



Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on December 01, 2018, 04:21:40 PM
People do move......

Anyways, now we're back to worrying what other people think, or ' they'll find out where I live  '.  I have to show my name & address to buy beer.... ( I caused a problem in the grocery store when I showed the 17 YO clerk a draft card. The supervisor had a hard time understanding what it was. "This is not a valid military ID." Fun times.)

A long time ago, there were things called "phone books", that had your name, address and telephone number. You had to pay to not have this listed. And then  buy something at RadioShaft without giving them your address. 1984 Oceania Way, Oceania NY was nice.

On another note, what is the call of the YL in John's .gif ?

klc



phone books still exist, they are also online, they still ave your address, if you do not want to be listed you still have to pay extra


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: WXSHAM on December 02, 2018, 06:52:06 AM
People do move......

Anyways, now we're back to worrying what other people think, or ' they'll find out where I live  '.  I have to show my name & address to buy beer.... ( I caused a problem in the grocery store when I showed the 17 YO clerk a draft card. The supervisor had a hard time understanding what it was. "This is not a valid military ID." Fun times.)

A long time ago, there were things called "phone books", that had your name, address and telephone number. You had to pay to not have this listed. And then  buy something at RadioShaft without giving them your address. 1984 Oceania Way, Oceania NY was nice.

On another note, what is the call of the YL in John's .gif ?

klc



phone books still exist, they are also online, they still ave your address, if you do not want to be listed you still have to pay extra


The phone book comparison is not quite equivalent in this case.  Since nearly everyone's info is in the phonebook the information and most people don't post their real name on most sites like craigslist or most others (with the exception of facebook but they typically post to smallish groups of friends) that isn't really a problem for folks since when most folks post online they don't use their real names or full names (even amazon reviews don't usually have full real names).

What if the list of all gun owners was posted online?  Is that a potential problem?  I'm thinking yes there was quite an uproar when that happened to some folks recently.

Why doesnt everyone use their real name and address on craigslist or other sites (other than the exception facebook)?

The answer is often privacy and safety.   

While Ham radio is a public license, does it really need to publish full name and address?  Why not just first name , callsign and town/state?  Wouldn't that cover most of the requirements for the license database?  If there was ever an issue someone could file a complaint on the FCC site that could get emailed to the person without the originator needing to even know their full name and address.

In this day and age where data can both help and hurt people it's probably useful to be mindful of your data.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on December 02, 2018, 08:11:13 AM

While Ham radio is a public license, does it really need to publish full name and address?  Why not just first name , callsign and town/state?  Wouldn't that cover most of the requirements for the license database?  If there was ever an issue someone could file a complaint on the FCC site that could get emailed to the person without the originator needing to even know their full name and address.


Of course if one doesn't have a license this is a moot point, but I'll play along. If one is so concerned about the mean people of the internet finding out where they live, then don't get an amateur radio license. Join an online crochet club, or an online gaming club, or one of the many other online activities that allow anonymity. It's quite silly to expect special treatment when it comes to an amateur radio license...


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: WXSHAM on December 02, 2018, 09:54:32 AM

While Ham radio is a public license, does it really need to publish full name and address?  Why not just first name , callsign and town/state?  Wouldn't that cover most of the requirements for the license database?  If there was ever an issue someone could file a complaint on the FCC site that could get emailed to the person without the originator needing to even know their full name and address.


Of course if one doesn't have a license this is a moot point, but I'll play along. If one is so concerned about the mean people of the internet finding out where they live, then don't get an amateur radio license. Join an online crochet club, or an online gaming club, or one of the many other online activities that allow anonymity. It's quite silly to expect special treatment when it comes to an amateur radio license...

We should try to be inclusive for more folks to join this hobby.

Also why is it special treatment?  When you get a passport they don't post all of your info online? When you get a gun license they don't put your info online?  When you get an auto license they don't post all of your info online? (At least I believe they don't for all of those and a lot more).  Why the special exposure for the ham license?

People don't use their real names on craiglist or almost any other site other than facebook, why is that?

So perhaps it is the amateur license that seems to get special treatment.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: W4KVW on December 02, 2018, 02:48:56 PM
I never tell anyone I am a ham because it leaves a negative impression. First of all people will suspect you will interfere with their television reception if you live nearby. Second the word implies a bent at best or a compulsion at worst and a non professional compulsion like a eccentric relative or neighbor who moved years ago unexpectedly

I just tell people I am a technician, engineer and will be down in the Covar Valley on a job.

I don't mention radio whatsoever because that opens up another can of worms....illegal operation, pirate radio, religious fanatic, political nut.

Never post as a ham online so everyone knows your home address. Think most hams are nice? You must be a newbie or deceived. Friends are only people you've know very well for a long time.

You will save much grief if you follow my advice.

Dave
Electrical engineer

Not nearly as bad of a taste as someone using BURGERLOVERS as an id on an Amateur Radio website like you are either not licensed or you are ashamed that you are a Ham Operator? I remember many years ago when my mother told me that I was a Ham a long time before becoming a Ham Operator.As usual she was right.

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N1KWW on December 06, 2018, 04:44:41 PM
I am a qualified Amateur Radio operator and yes, code is no longer a barrier to becoming a "ham!" If someone has a problem being called a "ham" or calling themselves a "ham" well, each to their own!


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KC8KTN on December 07, 2018, 07:39:02 AM
Look to OHMS LAW..Nuff Said..73ss



Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: SWMAN on December 07, 2018, 09:03:50 PM
                                                 CHEESEBURGERLOVER


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on December 08, 2018, 08:35:55 AM
                                                 CHEESEBURGERLOVER

I like taters.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on December 08, 2018, 09:32:07 AM
Dem french Fried Taters


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: G8YMW on December 09, 2018, 04:52:04 PM
Come back Tony Hancock


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on December 17, 2018, 01:13:52 PM
People do move......

Anyways, now we're back to worrying what other people think, or ' they'll find out where I live  '.  I have to show my name & address to buy beer.... ( I caused a problem in the grocery store when I showed the 17 YO clerk a draft card. The supervisor had a hard time understanding what it was. "This is not a valid military ID." Fun times.)

A long time ago, there were things called "phone books", that had your name, address and telephone number. You had to pay to not have this listed. And then  buy something at RadioShaft without giving them your address. 1984 Oceania Way, Oceania NY was nice.

On another note, what is the call of the YL in John's .gif ?

klc



phone books still exist, they are also online, they still ave your address, if you do not want to be listed you still have to pay extra


The phone book comparison is not quite equivalent in this case.  Since nearly everyone's info is in the phonebook the information and most people don't post their real name on most sites like craigslist or most others (with the exception of facebook but they typically post to smallish groups of friends) that isn't really a problem for folks since when most folks post online they don't use their real names or full names (even amazon reviews don't usually have full real names).

What if the list of all gun owners was posted online?  Is that a potential problem?  I'm thinking yes there was quite an uproar when that happened to some folks recently.

Why doesnt everyone use their real name and address on craigslist or other sites (other than the exception facebook)?

The answer is often privacy and safety.   

While Ham radio is a public license, does it really need to publish full name and address?  Why not just first name , callsign and town/state?  Wouldn't that cover most of the requirements for the license database?  If there was ever an issue someone could file a complaint on the FCC site that could get emailed to the person without the originator needing to even know their full name and address.

In this day and age where data can both help and hurt people it's probably useful to be mindful of your data.


The phone book comparison is equivilent. Many do list their phone numbers andd online phonebooks allow reverse look up.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: WXSHAM on December 28, 2018, 10:26:08 AM


Quote
The phone book comparison is equivilent. Many do list their phone numbers andd online phonebooks allow reverse look up.


Let's look at that a couple ways.

Phone book listings there are about 46% listed phone numbers.  Let's just use as an estimate that's 46% of 325 million people in the U.S. that's about 149 million people.  What do the listings tell you about them?  Name, phone #, address.  But since most people don't list anything identifying online for them to find that entry on 90+% of websites the large number of listings just makes this a atomic sized needle in a universe size haystack.  So those listings don't provide much of a security concern given the huge haystack and not much we can glean from those listings.
Yes criminals could target a specific person but not from their online information they would just have to randomly select someone local or based on their address with no other useful info.  Slightly derogatory or other  comments online since not tied back won't get them a visit from a crazed lunatic.


Let's take the listings of folks with guns if that were a thing... I think it's estimated that maybe one third have guns so that would be around 100 million or so.  It's a big haystack and those folks may not post online anything identifiable but there is one thing a nefarious person might know about their household they might be able to get a gun if they rob there.


Let's take the ham radio list now in the U.S. it may only be around 800,000 total.  When on air everyone gives their call which if someone finds their comments a bit derogatory or they don't like how they have been using the repeater with their baoefeng could result in someone showing up at their house (and as the one link I provided in this chain there was speculation a murder was related to something like that already.)
Again many folks post their calls online so an off comment that offends someone not of right mind could cause much more damage than in the other situations.  Also what else is known about these folks is they could have expensive radio equipment that might be sold.  Say what you will but that is more info than a criminal would know about the white pages, and with a list of gun owners that would be pretty ugly.  (You can say you aren't worried and for the most part the percentage chance is low... but most people probably  90+% of people on most sites i.e. craigslist, etc. other than facebook don't use their real names or something that could tie them back to a white page listing to avoid these scenarios.   Even if you aren't concerned we can see 90+% of people are not using identifiable info on most sites)



 


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on December 28, 2018, 03:57:41 PM
sheer paranoia


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on December 29, 2018, 07:41:18 AM
sheer paranoia

Perhaps this is the wrong hobby for the excessively paranoid.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on December 29, 2018, 12:14:28 PM
sheer paranoia

Perhaps this is the wrong hobby for the excessively paranoid.

I do believe you might be correct


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2WIG on December 29, 2018, 03:22:14 PM



Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.


klc


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on January 03, 2019, 09:23:00 AM



Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.


klc

This is true, but it might be another they.......
Back in the 60s it was be careful what you say on the phone, the Gubmint has it tapped.
Today it is, Hey alexa tap, whats the weather for today?


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KC8KTN on January 08, 2019, 04:28:35 PM
I am proud to be a ham. I do not understand why ham has a negative connotation.  ????. Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the New Year 2019. 73s


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on January 09, 2019, 06:48:18 AM
I am proud to be a ham. I do not understand why ham has a negative connotation.  ????. Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the New Year 2019. 73s

It doesn't unless the poor ham lives in a HOA or a NIMBY neighborhood.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N8YX on January 09, 2019, 08:04:16 AM
I am proud to be a ham. I do not understand why ham has a negative connotation.  ????. Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the New Year 2019. 73s

It doesn't unless the poor ham lives in a HOA or a NIMBY neighborhood.
Or they have their onions onin the 'Bowl ...


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KC8KTN on January 09, 2019, 11:17:40 AM
Proud to be ham radio operator. Proud to be a White male working. Proud to be a American. Proud to be a Navy veteran. Proud to be a member of the best ham radio site Eham Radio. Proud to Live on the Best Planet in our solar system. Nuff Said.
Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the new year 2019.

https://youtu.be/68cbjlLFl4U


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K1FBI on January 09, 2019, 12:24:48 PM
Obscure random posts...multiple personalities?
Full deck?
 :o


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on January 09, 2019, 02:18:36 PM
Obscure random posts...multiple personalities?
Full deck?
 :o

Yes....perhaps.
No.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on January 09, 2019, 02:55:12 PM
Obscure random posts...multiple personalities?
Full deck?
 :o

Yes....perhaps.
No.

Your guess is as good as mine.... where is that onion?


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KC8KTN on January 09, 2019, 04:18:45 PM
Typical close minded rude Ham. Just Saying. Nuff said.. Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the hobby calm down it is a Knew Year. 77s


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on January 09, 2019, 06:17:21 PM
Don't get your onion in an uproar.   ;)


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KE6EE on January 09, 2019, 06:22:26 PM
I do not understand why ham has a negative connotation.

Only among practicing Jews and Muslims.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2WIG on January 09, 2019, 07:21:11 PM


Vegans aren't especially happy with 'em.


klc


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KE6EE on January 09, 2019, 08:31:54 PM
Vegans aren't...

I forgot about them, and vegetarians also.

But they say that pigs like ham--they have a lot in common.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KC8KTN on January 10, 2019, 11:23:15 AM
I was doing car insurance quotes today. I got a discount for being an active ham radio operator.  Yeah baby. Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the hobby.
https://youtu.be/JBHKVAs85Ko


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K1FBI on January 10, 2019, 05:55:09 PM
..............Just Saying. Nuff said.. Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the hobby calm down it is a Knew Year. 77s

Knew
Definition of Knew
past tense of KNOW

Just Saying. Nuff said.. :o


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K7MEM on January 11, 2019, 05:05:55 AM
..............Just Saying. Nuff said.. Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the hobby calm down it is a Knew Year. 77s

Knew
Definition of Knew
past tense of KNOW

Just Saying. Nuff said.. :o

Maybe he meant "Gnu Year" and his spell checker fixed it for him.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KA4DPO on January 11, 2019, 01:37:25 PM
I never tell anyone I am a ham because it leaves a negative impression. First of all people will suspect you will interfere with their television reception if you live nearby. Second the word implies a bent at best or a compulsion at worst and a non professional compulsion like a eccentric relative or neighbor who moved years ago unexpectedly

I just tell people I am a technician, engineer and will be down in the Covar Valley on a job.

I don't mention radio whatsoever because that opens up another can of worms....illegal operation, pirate radio, religious fanatic, political nut.

Never post as a ham online so everyone knows your home address. Think most hams are nice? You must be a newbie or deceived. Friends are only people you've know very well for a long time.

You will save much grief if you follow my advice.

Dave
Electrical engineer

For what it's worth I agree with you Dave.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N9AOP on January 12, 2019, 09:37:58 AM
The folks in my neighborhood that know about ham radio are very rare any more.  Most reside in the cemetery.  Most of the current residents think that the yagi on my tower is for receiving TV from the UK or Canada.  Millennial's only know about their pricey cell phone and social media. 
Art


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K1FBI on January 13, 2019, 05:48:32 AM
The folks in my neighborhood that know about ham radio are very rare any more.  Most reside in the cemetery.  Most of the current residents think that the yagi on my tower is for receiving TV from the UK or Canada.  Millennial's only know about their pricey cell phone and social media. 
Art

I like Millennials. They are so bad at math. They just get frustrated and give me back too much change. If you own a business never put a Millennial on the cash register.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KI7RS on January 14, 2019, 02:20:50 PM
Never put a Baby Boomer in charge of your email.  They'll send half their pension to Nigeria, and add 13 search bars to your web browser. 


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on January 14, 2019, 02:48:14 PM
The folks in my neighborhood that know about ham radio are very rare any more.  Most reside in the cemetery.  Most of the current residents think that the yagi on my tower is for receiving TV from the UK or Canada.  Millennial's only know about their pricey cell phone and social media. 
Art

I like Millennials. They are so bad at math. They just get frustrated and give me back too much change. If you own a business never put a Millennial on the cash register.

Want to cripple the millennial generation?  Change all fonts to cursive and make all cars with manual transmissions.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KI7RS on January 14, 2019, 07:12:00 PM
The folks in my neighborhood that know about ham radio are very rare any more.  Most reside in the cemetery.  Most of the current residents think that the yagi on my tower is for receiving TV from the UK or Canada.  Millennial's only know about their pricey cell phone and social media. 
Art

I like Millennials. They are so bad at math. They just get frustrated and give me back too much change. If you own a business never put a Millennial on the cash register.

Want to cripple the millennial generation?  Change all fonts to cursive and make all cars with manual transmissions.

They’ll look it up on YouTube and figure it out in about 10 minutes.  Wanna cripple baby boomers? Ask them to show a basic level of respect to service workers.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: K1FBI on January 14, 2019, 09:24:54 PM
The folks in my neighborhood that know about ham radio are very rare any more.  Most reside in the cemetery.  Most of the current residents think that the yagi on my tower is for receiving TV from the UK or Canada.  Millennial's only know about their pricey cell phone and social media. 
Art

I like Millennials. They are so bad at math. They just get frustrated and give me back too much change. If you own a business never put a Millennial on the cash register.

Want to cripple the millennial generation?  Change all fonts to cursive and make all cars with manual transmissions.

They’ll look it up on YouTube and figure it out in about 10 minutes.  Wanna cripple baby boomers? Ask them to show a basic level of respect to service workers.
Get back to work, McDonald’s is paying you to work and my stock will go down if you’re not productive.


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KB2CRK on January 15, 2019, 04:18:10 AM
The folks in my neighborhood that know about ham radio are very rare any more.  Most reside in the cemetery.  Most of the current residents think that the yagi on my tower is for receiving TV from the UK or Canada.  Millennial's only know about their pricey cell phone and social media. 
Art

I like Millennials. They are so bad at math. They just get frustrated and give me back too much change. If you own a business never put a Millennial on the cash register.

Want to cripple the millennial generation?  Change all fonts to cursive and make all cars with manual transmissions.

They’ll look it up on YouTube and figure it out in about 10 minutes.  Wanna cripple baby boomers? Ask them to show a basic level of respect to service workers.
Get back to work, McDonald’s is paying you to work and my stock will go down if you’re not productive.

Cant learn cursive or how to drive a stick on youtube. The only manual transmissions on you tube are from fast and the furious and have 30 gears they can go through in a 5 minute 1/4 mile. ;D


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KI7RS on January 15, 2019, 06:12:40 AM
If you can learn how to fix your furnace and program a DMR radio on YouTube, you can learn cursive and how to operate a stick. Don’t forget that they never stop for gas in Fast and the Furious, they they won’t learn how to pump gas :)


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on January 15, 2019, 09:26:11 AM
If you can learn how to fix your furnace and program a DMR radio on YouTube, you can learn cursive and how to operate a stick.

Indeed, one can learn almost anything from YouTube videos. Most recently I've learned how to repair a friend's gas dryer and a dozen ways to apply Double Wrist locks.   :)


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: KI7RS on January 15, 2019, 09:31:28 AM
If you can learn how to fix your furnace and program a DMR radio on YouTube, you can learn cursive and how to operate a stick.

Indeed, one can learn almost anything from YouTube videos. Most recently I've learned how to repair a friend's gas dryer and a dozen ways to apply Double Wrist locks.   :)

Was the dryer not getting hot? That’s the problem I fixed thanks to YouTube.  Spoiler alert it’s an easy to replace sensor. 


Title: RE: Term ham leaves negative impression
Post by: N0YXB on January 15, 2019, 09:43:18 AM
If you can learn how to fix your furnace and program a DMR radio on YouTube, you can learn cursive and how to operate a stick.

Indeed, one can learn almost anything from YouTube videos. Most recently I've learned how to repair a friend's gas dryer and a dozen ways to apply Double Wrist locks.   :)

Was the dryer not getting hot? That’s the problem I fixed thanks to YouTube.  Spoiler alert it’s an easy to replace sensor. 

Right, it would run but not get hot. It was the thermal fuse, which appears to have failed because they allowed the dryer outlet to clog with lent. Thanks YouTube!