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Title: Icom 9700
Post by: N4UE on February 10, 2019, 04:31:54 PM
It seems that the new Icom 9700 has created a huge surge of interest. Lots of pre-orders for this high performance 2/432/1296 radio.
If it is as successful as it's hf/6m twin, there will be LOTS of older VHF/UHF radios on the market.

Rob Sherwood has already sold his trusty Icom 275H in anticipation of the 9700.

He has 2 7300s.

Yes Clayton, the 9700 has the despised (by only you) touch screen.
Horror of horrors... ha ha

ron
N4UE


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: K3GM on February 10, 2019, 06:38:11 PM
Does anyone have a confirmed US price yet?  Based on a post on my club reflector, it would appear that the initial price is more than what has been floated here.

"....a while back, I sent a $50 deposit to DX Engineering to reserve this new rig which is now FCC approved, but decided at $2100 I won't be purchasing it....."

If that price is true, it would be a few hundred dollars more than what has been speculated based on the European price with VAT.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: WD9EWK on February 10, 2019, 09:46:05 PM
Does anyone have a confirmed US price yet?  Based on a post on my club reflector, it would appear that the initial price is more than what has been floated here.

"....a while back, I sent a $50 deposit to DX Engineering to reserve this new rig which is now FCC approved, but decided at $2100 I won't be purchasing it....."

If that price is true, it would be a few hundred dollars more than what has been speculated based on the European price with VAT.

Price is $2099.95 from dealers like HRO, Universal Radio, and Gigaparts. DX Engineering wants $2098.99 for it. Prices went up on web sites Friday. BTW no FCC certification is required for the IC-9700, as it only covers the 3 ham bands.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: WB8LBZ on February 13, 2019, 04:50:10 PM
Give R and L a look for $300 less. http://www.randl.com/shop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=74768

73, Larry  WB8LBZ
El Paso, TX


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: K3GM on February 13, 2019, 06:21:25 PM
Give R and L a look for $300 less. http://www.randl.com/shop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=74768
...........
Out of stock already, but I think that price is closer to what was being discussed in previous threads.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: WD9EWK on February 13, 2019, 08:44:24 PM
Out of stock already, but I think that price is closer to what was being discussed in previous threads.

Nobody has them in stock in the US yet, but stores are taking orders. R&L is undercutting the other stores on the price right now, but perhaps we can use that for price-matching at other stores.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: WB8LBZ on February 13, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
There was an estimate of 05/29/2019 delivery on DX Engineering website. that might be when the dealers start getting them.

73, Larry  WB8LBZ
El Paso, TX


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: WB8LBZ on March 31, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
I was just notified by DX Engineering that I can expect my 9700 on 04/08/2019, before my taxes are due!

73, Larry  WB8LBZ
El Paso, TX


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: N0YXB on March 31, 2019, 05:30:04 PM
I was just notified by DX Engineering that I can expect my 9700 on 04/08/2019, before my taxes are due!

73, Larry  WB8LBZ
El Paso, TX


Sweet. Hope you let us know what you think once you've had time to put it through its paces.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: AB1XG on April 06, 2019, 08:23:56 AM
HRO called me yesterday, my 9700 came in.

I took a road trip and picked it up, though I won't be able to install it until tonight or tomorrow.

David AB1XG


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: N8LRG on April 26, 2019, 08:25:05 AM
Hello Everyone,
 
Just used the IC-9700 in the 432 Sprint. I thought I would post my thoughts on performance. I went from an FT-847 to the IC-9700. All of my usage has been mostly SSB/CW/Digital.

1. RX is exceptional. I can and see hear the difference. I am hearing beacons that were not heard before. Stations I have worked before were 3db or better on the the RX side.
2. Contest performance. Built in Voice and CW TX memories. Make or buy your keyer box and you will be pleased.
3. Dual band RX. Perfect for satellite work.
4. One USB cable and ICOM driver and you are up and running with digital or logging software. I use WSJT-X and N1MM.
5. Band Scope is nice to have but would be better to have higher bandwidth settings.
6. 10mhz  Ref in is not Phased locked but allows the radio to adjust the internal TXCO to the reference signal.

Overall I am very pleased with the radio as I did several 432 contacts over 450 miles away during the 432 Sprint(17 Grids). I am looking forward to using the abundance of features on this radio. If you are a weak signal operator, this needs to be in your ham shack.

73 Phil
N8LRG
 


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: W4KVW on May 08, 2019, 05:56:29 PM
It seems that the new Icom 9700 has created a huge surge of interest. Lots of pre-orders for this high performance 2/432/1296 radio.
If it is as successful as it's hf/6m twin, there will be LOTS of older VHF/UHF radios on the market.

Rob Sherwood has already sold his trusty Icom 275H in anticipation of the 9700.

He has 2 7300s.

Yes Clayton, the 9700 has the despised (by only you) touch screen.
Horror of horrors... ha ha
Ron-N4UE



Well I am so Excited about the New 9700 that I have a KENWOOD TS-2000 on the way as my New VHF/UHF all mode base. I will continue using my ICOM 7600 for HF/6 meters. I will however be parting with my ICOM 275A,amplifier,& SM-8 with both cords. I have already read & heard about issues of frequency drift so may they be lots for those blind sheep who can't read the handwriting on the walls. Nothing like a drifting transceiver that reminds you of the good old days. ICOM is Out Of Touch & thinks they now make Cell Phones,iPads,& Laptops. LOL  :o ;D :D :-[

Clayton
W4KVW



Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: N4UE on May 09, 2019, 04:48:23 PM
Clayton, unwind those panties. What's wrong? Can't afford a 9700 or just mad because you can't figure out how to use a touch screen?

You need to move up into 2019. I'll bet your 7600 doesn't even have he waterfall update.

Too much fried chicken on those chubby digits to use a touch screen? They make screen protectors for guys like you.  :)

HA HA

If, and a BIG IF, you have been following any recent 9700 info, you would realize this 'drift' you are talking about is a non-issue.
Lots of folks have had extended QSOs on 70 CM and report no SSB issues.

Are you going to do moon bounce on 23 CM? I doubt it.

In addition, Icom is about to release a Firmware update to control the drift for the digital modes ….
You need to stay on 11 Meters with your D-104 collection. No moon bounce there, good buddy....10-4?


'ron
N4UE


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: W4KVW on May 10, 2019, 09:08:08 AM
Clayton, unwind those panties. What's wrong? Can't afford a 9700 or just mad because you can't figure out how to use a touch screen?

You need to move up into 2019. I'll bet your 7600 doesn't even have he waterfall update.

Too much fried chicken on those chubby digits to use a touch screen? They make screen protectors for guys like you.  :)

HA HA

If, and a BIG IF, you have been following any recent 9700 info, you would realize this 'drift' you are talking about is a non-issue.
Lots of folks have had extended QSOs on 70 CM and report no SSB issues.

Are you going to do moon bounce on 23 CM? I doubt it.

In addition, Icom is about to release a Firmware update to control the drift for the digital modes ….
You need to stay on 11 Meters with your D-104 collection. No moon bounce there, good buddy....10-4?


'ron
N4UE

Latest eHam Review of the Perfect ICOM 9700 in case you missed it. LOL  Digital Disaster Radio    Time owned: 0 to 3 months
While the other reviewers have focused on SSB and CW, if you are a digital weak signal operator you are in for a horrifying surprise. First, frequency stability with the fan running is a disaster, its all over the place.

Worse yet, the radio will NOT pass 9600 baud packet of any kind.

I spoke with ICOM this morning they are "aware" of these issues, no plan to release a solution "at this time"

If you are a weak signal guy, or digital guy do NOT sell your other radio and buy this one.

Peter
W2PP

Shame it's a NON ISSUE but I know it is difficult admitting it after being out the $2000 that you can't get back. LOL Myself & many others know the TRUTH about this Disaster for a VHF/UHF transceiver. It has issues much like you & you won't admit either but others can read the blogs & watch the YouTube videos & not take your biased reports.Have a great weekend now.  :P :P :P :-* :-* :-* ;D ;D ;D

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: K6JH on May 10, 2019, 07:18:23 PM
Peoples still use packet?   ;)
I suppose if you want to packet repeat through ISS or use some of the other satellites.

9600 baud uses straight FSK, not AFSK. So with normal FM rigs you have special I/O provisions for 9600 FSK, as the voice/mike circuits won't maintain proper signal fidelity to do AFSK. Now I suppose with that fancy FPGA doing all the heavy lifting they could have designed in the proper modulation/demod functions. I expect Icom just made the decision it wasn't worth it, having simply lifted much of the signal processing logic from their HF radios.

More 9600 tech info:
https://www.amsat.org/articles/g3ruh/109.html (https://www.amsat.org/articles/g3ruh/109.html)
ftp://ftp.tapr.org/general/9600baud/96man2x0.txt (http://ftp://ftp.tapr.org/general/9600baud/96man2x0.txt)

I'm not going to make excuses for the frequency stability issue. With the popularity of weak signal JT modes these days, in normal use and EME, ICOM should have foreseen the need for better stability.

Both issues may be able to be addressed in software updates (can the FPGA be updated that way?) I expect ICOM is feeling enough lack of sales pressure to want to update for stability, but I doubt if there will be enough complaining about no packet.

It feels a little like the 9700 was rushed to market before it was time.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: KD7RDZI2 on May 12, 2019, 01:39:24 AM
Peoples still use packet?   ;)
.... I expect Icom just made the decision it wasn't worth it, having simply lifted much of the signal processing logic from their HF radios.

Of course, packet is used for Winlink. No words if this is true... sending emails over radio is possible even with my UV2D Wouxun and a small packet interface PLXTracker.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: VE3WGO on May 12, 2019, 03:57:47 PM
I noted in my reply in the "ARTICLE: VK7MO-Review of IC-9700 for Weak Signal Digital Modes" in this same forum post that the IC-9700 is actually performing better than spec.  It's just that the spec is loose and nobody noticed it last year when the specs were first published...

73, Ed


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: K6JH on May 13, 2019, 01:41:39 AM
I noted in my reply in the "ARTICLE: VK7MO-Review of IC-9700 for Weak Signal Digital Modes" in this same forum post that the IC-9700 is actually performing better than spec.  It's just that the spec is loose and nobody noticed it last year when the specs were first published...

73, Ed

Yes, for non-critical applications most users can accept 0.5 ppm.

But the fact is that there was a "10MHZ Reference In" jack on the back in publicity photos and the show units on public display, but with no explanation of it's limitations. On other ICOM transceivers that jack allows the radio to be locked to an external reference for more critical applications, like JT modes or 10GHz transverters. So ICOM knows how it should work. Yet on the 9700 that only allows for on demand calibration.

They just about hit another home run like on the 7300, but tripped and only made it to second base.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: K3GM on May 13, 2019, 08:14:31 AM
I’m sure this will be a popular question at Dayton this week.  I know I’m going to ask what they were thinking.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: VE3WGO on May 13, 2019, 06:01:58 PM
It is interesting that maybe roughly a year and a half ago, when the IC-9700 was first making the rounds at the Japan Hamfair and later last year at Hamvention, and the first photos of the radio were surfacing, the rear pictures did not show a 10 MHz input connector at all.  The space below the RJ-45 LAN connector was empty back then.

It was not until summer of 2018, when the pre-release brochure came out, that the 10 MHz input connector showed up, located below the RJ-45.

The background story must be interesting for that 10 MHz connector's sudden appearance.

73, Ed


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: K3GM on May 13, 2019, 07:53:04 PM
....the IC-9700 is actually performing better than spec.  It's just that the spec is loose and nobody noticed it last year when the specs were first published.....
But is it?  The advertised frequency stability of 0.5ppm is over a 126° F span. The drifts seen are no doubt over a much narrower temperature span.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: K3GM on May 13, 2019, 08:26:29 PM
Hmmm... let's try that again...

But is it?  The advertised frequency stability of 0.5ppm is over a 126° F span. But the drifts seen in the videos are no doubt over a much narrower temperature span.  To me, there isn't enough data to determine if the observed drift may actually  exceed the spec for that span.  I had a sweaty wad of cash in hand hoping to come home from Dayton with an order for one, but not until this problem is addressed and rectified.


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: W9IQ on May 14, 2019, 02:57:14 AM
I think you are misinterpreting the specification. The 0.5 ppm is guaranteed if the radio is kept anywhere within that temperature range. It does not mean the 0.5 ppm occurs at the extremes of the temperature range.

- Glenn W9IQ


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: AA2UK on May 14, 2019, 05:44:35 AM
I think there might be some bad assumptions on the freq drift issue. It has yet to be verified that we are dealing with a thermal issue. I'm thinking it might be a voltage regulation issue?
Bill AA2UK


Title: RE: Icom 9700
Post by: W4KVW on May 14, 2019, 08:31:50 AM
Hmmm... let's try that again...

But is it?  The advertised frequency stability of 0.5ppm is over a 126° F span. But the drifts seen in the videos are no doubt over a much narrower temperature span.  To me, there isn't enough data to determine if the observed drift may actually  exceed the spec for that span.  I had a sweaty wad of cash in hand hoping to come home from Dayton with an order for one, but not until this problem is addressed and rectified.

LOL,I am guessing that you will NOT be bringing one home because it won't be corrected by then if at all since the specs pretty much show that it drifts pretty badly.Not sure why it would ever be considered an EME Rig or any digital mode which is pretty much what people want them for since few people need a microphone any longer.Better off with a 910H,9100,or other model that is far more stable.Being the Newest Toy does NOT make it the Best Toy.

Clayton
W4KVW