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Title: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 17, 2019, 09:29:19 PM
A little birdie told me that the Omni VII Plus is in production.  Now for the naysayers who will carp about price, etc.  Rig being shown at Hamvention now.Can't edit subject line... it is the Omni VI


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: NN4RH on May 18, 2019, 05:18:20 AM
A little birdie told me that the Omni VII Plus is in production.  Now for the naysayers who will carp about price, etc.  Rig being shown at Hamvention now.Can't edit subject line... it is the Omni VI

Can you clear up what you posted.

The first sentence says Omni VII Plus is "in production".

Then it seems like you're saying that the rig "being shown at Hamvention" is an Omni VI ??





Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 18, 2019, 06:46:32 AM
That is very interesting.  A couple of friends have told me that Ten Tec doesn't have anything new at Xenia.  No flyers, no brochures, and most of all, no published specs for an Omni VII plus. 

If they indeed do have a new rig it had better be good because the competition is pretty stiff.  The Icom IC-7300 or the Kenwood TS-590SG offer far better performance and lots more features than the old Omni VII, and at much lower prices.  Please provide more detail about this plus model.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 18, 2019, 07:35:40 AM
A little birdie told me that the Omni VII Plus is in production.  Now for the naysayers who will carp about price, etc.  Rig being shown at Hamvention now.Can't edit subject line... it is the Omni VI

Can you clear up what you posted.

The first sentence says Omni VII Plus is "in production".

Then it seems like you're saying that the rig "being shown at Hamvention" is an Omni VI ??



READ what I wrote...  Eham does NOT allow editing the subject line or deleting your own post.  I added the information about 30 seconds after posting.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 18, 2019, 07:36:43 AM
That is very interesting.  A couple of friends have told me that Ten Tec doesn't have anything new at Xenia.  No flyers, no brochures, and most of all, no published specs for an Omni VII plus. 

If they indeed do have a new rig it had better be good because the competition is pretty stiff.  The Icom IC-7300 or the Kenwood TS-590SG offer far better performance and lots more features than the old Omni VII, and at much lower prices.  Please provide more detail about this plus model.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/49629325776/

shown in their Face Book group... first news I've seen. Price is high, but it is hard to compete with offshore production.



Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: NN4RH on May 18, 2019, 07:45:03 AM
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READ what I wrote...  Eham does NOT allow editing the subject line or deleting your own post.  I added the information about 30 seconds after posting.

Yes I get that you messed up the title of the thread.

What I was asking about was the BODY of the post where you say the VII Plus (7+) is in production, and you seemed to be saying that they are displaying an Omni VI (6). That doesn't make any sense.

So it turns out you made two dumb mistakes.

And now it turns out that you are not actually there.

Would have been better if you had simply posted the link to your source of information in the first place, rather than going for the drama of saying "little birdy told me".  


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 18, 2019, 07:53:27 AM
Quote
READ what I wrote...  Eham does NOT allow editing the subject line or deleting your own post.  I added the information about 30 seconds after posting.

Yes I get that you messed up the title of the thread.

What I was asking about was the BODY of the post where you say the VII Plus (7+) is in production, and you seemed to be saying that they are displaying an Omni VI (6). That doesn't make any sense.

So it turns out you made two dumb mistakes.

And now it turns out that you are not actually there.

Would have been better if you had simply posted the link to your source of information in the first place, rather than going for the drama of saying "little birdy told me".  

Poor baby... into the ignore file you go.  You're dumb mistake was NOT reading where I corrected the title.  As I said, EHam does not allow editing, nor contacting a moderator for help on your own post. Take it up with site owner. 


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 18, 2019, 08:47:12 AM
That is very interesting.  A couple of friends have told me that Ten Tec doesn't have anything new at Xenia.  No flyers, no brochures, and most of all, no published specs for an Omni VII plus. 

If they indeed do have a new rig it had better be good because the competition is pretty stiff.  The Icom IC-7300 or the Kenwood TS-590SG offer far better performance and lots more features than the old Omni VII, and at much lower prices.  Please provide more detail about this plus model.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/49629325776/

shown in their Face Book group... first news I've seen. Price is high, but it is hard to compete with offshore production.


And therein lies the problem.  Unless they bring something that is competitive in price and performance to the table no one, with the exception a very few die hard fans is going to buy the Omni VII.  The one shown on the Facebook page looks like the same old Omni VII with a flat front panel.  So unless it is packing some very new technology, the IC-7300 and the TS-590SG totally blow it out of the water for far less money.  They have to do better.


 


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 18, 2019, 08:50:26 AM
I've never argued those points.  It took too long to get the updated Omni VII to market. I suspect TenTec will remain a niche market for TenTec fans.  I'd love to see an updated Orion III, but.... 

I also wonder how much success Elecraft is going to have with the K4, a nice rig, and being American made is always a plus in my book.  But with a 5K starting price there are options from Icom and others that a very, very competitive. Hard to compete with imports... but if Trump keeps going with tariffs these may be bargain prices.



Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 18, 2019, 09:04:19 AM
I've never argued those points.  It took too long to get the updated Omni VII to market. I suspect TenTec will remain a niche market for TenTec fans.  I'd love to see an updated Orion III, but.... 

I also wonder how much success Elecraft is going to have with the K4, a nice rig, and being American made is always a plus in my book.  But with a 5K starting price there are options from Icom and others that a very, very competitive. Hard to compete with imports... but if Trump keeps going with tariffs these may be bargain prices.



The tariff thing is narrow focused, we don't put any tariffs on Japanese goods, and even if they have Chinese content, the Japanese have not imposed tariffs on China.  I don't see any way in the world that rig could sell at 5K given what is currently on the market for substantially less.  I thought it was going to be priced at somewhere around $2K, and even that is too much for old technology.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 18, 2019, 09:12:08 AM
Omni VII Plus is $2999 from what I have read.  The Elecraft K4 is under preorder for close to a 5K deposit for the first batch. Both are steep prices.

Mike always said the first rig out of the gate would be an enchanced Omni VII Plus.  Most of us had faith he would produce what he promised . Never argued about whether the market could support it.   I just give the guy credit for doing what he said he would.

At the very least, I expect to see some bargain prices on used K3 rigs if the K4 takes off.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 18, 2019, 09:50:32 AM
Omni VII Plus is $2999 from what I have read.  The Elecraft K4 is under preorder for close to a 5K deposit for the first batch. Both are steep prices.

Mike always said the first rig out of the gate would be an enchanced Omni VII Plus.  Most of us had faith he would produce what he promised . Never argued about whether the market could support it.   I just give the guy credit for doing what he said he would.

At the very least, I expect to see some bargain prices on used K3 rigs if the K4 takes off.

I certainly can't argue that the K4 will be a high dollar rig.  But three grand for a Omni VII seems pretty steep for that rig.  Don't forget that an IC-7610 is not a great deal more than that.

I saw what I assume is a photo of it on the Facebook site.  The display and controls looks just like the old one but with a flat metal front panel.  Evidently the old plastic front panels were no longer available for whatever reasons.  So credit to the extent that he is putting some on the market.  It would be nice to see some specs and features so we can see what, if anything has actually been enhanced.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 18, 2019, 03:31:52 PM
Just a rumor, but I believe the old mould for the faceplate was lost during the factory closing.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 19, 2019, 07:07:04 AM
A little birdie told me that the Omni VII Plus is in production.  Now for the naysayers who will carp about price, etc.  Rig being shown at Hamvention now.
Can't edit subject line... it is the Omni VI

why not just use the "Report to moderator" link at the bottom of your first post and ask for the title to be fixed so that it reads: "Omni VII+ -- Ten-Tec is back"
 ;)

yesterday at Hamvention I visited the Dishtronix/Ten-Tec/Alpha booth and got to speak with Mike Dishop about the new Omni VII+ -- below is a pic of it from the TT Facebook Group:

(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60346359_10217337350217895_8377297938065391616_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=38a41ac19033ce2c9b3c228f2e928a25&oe=5D634BE9)

Mike had me check out the way the new knobs on the left spin like butter and how the front panel buttons are now new and improved and very tactile sensitive.  The Auto-tuner is new and improved.  The front panel is metal.  Stay tuned: there are performance improvements too. 

The Eagle Plus i believe is slated next.

i see the naysayers have already chimed in protesting a little too much about the stiff competition, outdated performance etc, etc.  ::) ... a loud TT hater (aka: dQRMer) in this thread (who proclaimed Ten-Tec dead and buried before the present owner had even bought it) apparently sees everything Ten-Tec thru a dark distorted lens as if it is destined for failure, and seems to spend a lot (most?) of his eham posts decrying the fact that the brand is still around -- but it is hard to take seriously anyone who suggests the owner of Dishtronix, Ten-Tec and Alpha is naive and merely seeking to cater to old Ten-Tec fanboys who only care about the name...  i highly doubt he ever took Mike up on the offer to pick up the phone and call him.  ::)

newsflash: Mike Dishop understands that there is competition and that performance matters and he has invested a lot of time and energy and resources in working to bring Ten-Tec back as a viable company.  Let's wish him luck and be thankful for that. 

former Ten-Tec (contracted?) engineer John Henry (who knows Mike) recently posted the quote below on the TT Group FB page this morning: (i believe the original Omni VII was his baby) --
 
Quote
So many people saying so many bad things about TenTec in so many public forums and on the air, even when the news is good.



Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: NN4RH on May 19, 2019, 08:19:27 AM
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former Ten-Tec (contracted?) engineer John Henry (who knows Mike) recently posted the quote below on the TT Group FB page this morning: (i believe the original Omni VII was his baby) --
 
Quote
So many people saying so many bad things about TenTec in so many public forums and on the air, even when the news is good.

He also, in that post, asked people to "Feel free to repost/cut/paste this, but remember, please post the whole thing, only cutting snippets is just egging people on to say further negative things."


Wondering why you chose to ignore his request and posted only a snippet.   Were you "egging people on" ?

So, here is the entire post:

Quote
Post by John Henry at https://www.facebook.com/groups/49629325776/

I guess people show their true nature, even when the news is good. So many people saying so many bad things about TenTec in so many public forums and on the air, even when the news is good. Yes, the OMNI-VII+ is an OMNI-VII with a new front face plate, and maybe a few extras, maybe not. The point is, they are attempting to "test the waters", see if there is ANY interest in the market. They are looking to see if the 100s of promises of "I'd buy one today, check in hand, if it was on the market again" were these real promises or just empty promises. Yes, it is using some of the parts in stock to make a limited run, BUT, there are a lot more parts still in stock. It won't take but a few rigs actually sold to show there is an interest still in the OMNI-VII, there are quite a few parts in house to build from, but of course some parts would have to be purchased, and a few rigs sold means the purchasing cycle starts again for the next run. Simple supply an demand. Except he is supplying it first, now let's see the demand. If you never see another set of OMNI-VII+s or other made, then this test proved two things, those touting they would purchase have moved on, and it really isn't a viable product to sell anymore. There are several things in the works between TenTec and others helping them, some interesting, new things, but, they might not make it to the light of day if the negativity ruins it for the honest customers who did want to buy but were scared away due to the negativity. Yes, there have been a lot of promises made, but, then again, there has been so much negativity that the amateur products did not continue selling, even though there were some in stock, or took a few years to sell what normally would have taken a couple of months, again, due to the negativity. Granted, sometimes the owner is a bit quick with interesting come backs, but if you were told a thousand times a day how you were doing things wrong, when your heart was in the right place trying to do the right thing, I think you'd be peeved too. One reason why I am where I am today, I didn't need the negativity in my life, and I see it hasn't changed. Feel free to repost/cut/paste this, but remember, please post the whole thing, only cutting snippets is just egging people on to say further negative things. Quit the cycle, and help if you really want a rig, or just watch for a while if you don't. But don't make your post the reason some young enterprising mind of a young ham gets scared away from a company that had they not invented most of what they did, most of the other companies would not be where they are today.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 19, 2019, 09:05:23 AM
A little birdie told me that the Omni VII Plus is in production.  Now for the naysayers who will carp about price, etc.  Rig being shown at Hamvention now.
Can't edit subject line... it is the Omni VI

why not just use the "Report to moderator" link at the bottom of your first post and ask for the title to be fixed so that it reads: "Omni VII+ -- Ten-Tec is back"
 ;)

 

I wish that would work.  I could NOT edit the title, and eHam does NOT allow reporting or deleting your own post!  I tried both.  Perhaps you could report this to a moderator and have the issue corrected?  I am not allowed to do it, which seems to be a very odd limitation.  Most forums allow deletion or changes if no replies were made, esp. within a few minutes of making a new post.

73

Pete


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 19, 2019, 09:06:45 AM
Seems like one person is here to create discord, start a fight, and making an effort to get thread locked.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 19, 2019, 09:19:45 AM
Quote from: N9FB
former Ten-Tec (contracted?) engineer John Henry (who knows Mike) recently posted the quote below on the TT Group FB page this morning: (i believe the original Omni VII was his baby) --

Quote
So many people saying so many bad things about TenTec in so many public forums and on the air, even when the news is good.

He also, in that post, asked people to "Feel free to repost/cut/paste this, but remember, please post the whole thing, only cutting snippets is just egging people on to say further negative things."

Wondering why you chose to ignore his request and posted only a snippet.   Were you "egging people on" ?


i had made a quick run to checkout the FB group and the photo there of the Omni VII+ to link it here in this thread in my above post, and saw the top lines of his post but did not click "read more" to read the entirety.  i have been following TT threads and reflectors over the years and know John supports Mikes efforts and wants the naysayers to fallback and give TT a chance. i have no intention of throwing hate at Mike or John or TT or "egging on" those who do, as should be easily gleaned from my past posts...  ::)

Quote from: NN4RH
So, here is the entire post:

Quote
Post by John Henry at https://www.facebook.com/groups/49629325776/

I guess people show their true nature, even when the news is good. So many people saying so many bad things about TenTec in so many public forums and on the air, even when the news is good. Yes, the OMNI-VII+ is an OMNI-VII with a new front face plate, and maybe a few extras, maybe not. The point is, they are attempting to "test the waters", see if there is ANY interest in the market. They are looking to see if the 100s of promises of "I'd buy one today, check in hand, if it was on the market again" were these real promises or just empty promises. Yes, it is using some of the parts in stock to make a limited run, BUT, there are a lot more parts still in stock. It won't take but a few rigs actually sold to show there is an interest still in the OMNI-VII, there are quite a few parts in house to build from, but of course some parts would have to be purchased, and a few rigs sold means the purchasing cycle starts again for the next run. Simple supply an demand. Except he is supplying it first, now let's see the demand. If you never see another set of OMNI-VII+s or other made, then this test proved two things, those touting they would purchase have moved on, and it really isn't a viable product to sell anymore. There are several things in the works between TenTec and others helping them, some interesting, new things, but, they might not make it to the light of day if the negativity ruins it for the honest customers who did want to buy but were scared away due to the negativity. Yes, there have been a lot of promises made, but, then again, there has been so much negativity that the amateur products did not continue selling, even though there were some in stock, or took a few years to sell what normally would have taken a couple of months, again, due to the negativity. Granted, sometimes the owner is a bit quick with interesting come backs, but if you were told a thousand times a day how you were doing things wrong, when your heart was in the right place trying to do the right thing, I think you'd be peeved too. One reason why I am where I am today, I didn't need the negativity in my life, and I see it hasn't changed. Feel free to repost/cut/paste this, but remember, please post the whole thing, only cutting snippets is just egging people on to say further negative things. Quit the cycle, and help if you really want a rig, or just watch for a while if you don't. But don't make your post the reason some young enterprising mind of a young ham gets scared away from a company that had they not invented most of what they did, most of the other companies would not be where they are today.

one additional mistake i may have made is saying the Omni VII+ has an updated auto-tuner. It could have been that only pertains to the future Eagle + -- as I discussed both rigs a little with Mike -- and now i cant remember for certain if his talk about how quick the new autotuner is and the different sound it makes pertains to both the Omni VII+ and the Eagle + or just one... we all need to stay tuned -- or buy an Omni VII+ from Mike / www.tentec.com (http://www.tentec.com) and report back here on topic.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 19, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: W1BR
A little birdie told me that the Omni VII Plus is in production.  Now for the naysayers who will carp about price, etc.  Rig being shown at Hamvention now.
Can't edit subject line... it is the Omni [VII +]

Quote from: N9FB
why not just use the "Report to moderator" link at the bottom of your first post and ask for the title to be fixed so that it reads: "Omni VII+ -- Ten-Tec is back"
 ;)

I wish that would work.  I could NOT edit the title, and eHam does NOT allow reporting or deleting your own post!  I tried both.  Perhaps you could report this to a moderator and have the issue corrected?  I am not allowed to do it, which seems to be a very odd limitation.  Most forums allow deletion or changes if no replies were made, esp. within a few minutes of making a new post.

73

Pete

done, however it may carry more weight and get quicker attention if you go to the "site talk" forum https://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/board,27.0.html (https://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/board,27.0.html) and create a post there asking that the title be changed and a link to this thread...


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 19, 2019, 10:58:50 AM
Quote from: N9FB
former Ten-Tec (contracted?) engineer John Henry (who knows Mike) recently posted the quote below on the TT Group FB page this morning: (i believe the original Omni VII was his baby) --

Quote
So many people saying so many bad things about TenTec in so many public forums and on the air, even when the news is good.

He also, in that post, asked people to "Feel free to repost/cut/paste this, but remember, please post the whole thing, only cutting snippets is just egging people on to say further negative things."

Wondering why you chose to ignore his request and posted only a snippet.   Were you "egging people on" ?


i had made a quick run to checkout the FB group and the photo there of the Omni VII+ to link it here in this thread in my above post, and saw the top lines of his post but did not click "read more" to read the entirety.  i have been following TT threads and reflectors over the years and know John supports Mikes efforts and wants the naysayers to fallback and give TT a chance. i have no intention of throwing hate at Mike or John or TT or "egging on" those who do, as should be easily gleaned from my past posts...  ::)

Quote from: NN4RH
So, here is the entire post:

Quote
Post by John Henry at https://www.facebook.com/groups/49629325776/

I guess people show their true nature, even when the news is good. So many people saying so many bad things about TenTec in so many public forums and on the air, even when the news is good. Yes, the OMNI-VII+ is an OMNI-VII with a new front face plate, and maybe a few extras, maybe not. The point is, they are attempting to "test the waters", see if there is ANY interest in the market. They are looking to see if the 100s of promises of "I'd buy one today, check in hand, if it was on the market again" were these real promises or just empty promises. Yes, it is using some of the parts in stock to make a limited run, BUT, there are a lot more parts still in stock. It won't take but a few rigs actually sold to show there is an interest still in the OMNI-VII, there are quite a few parts in house to build from, but of course some parts would have to be purchased, and a few rigs sold means the purchasing cycle starts again for the next run. Simple supply an demand. Except he is supplying it first, now let's see the demand. If you never see another set of OMNI-VII+s or other made, then this test proved two things, those touting they would purchase have moved on, and it really isn't a viable product to sell anymore. There are several things in the works between TenTec and others helping them, some interesting, new things, but, they might not make it to the light of day if the negativity ruins it for the honest customers who did want to buy but were scared away due to the negativity. Yes, there have been a lot of promises made, but, then again, there has been so much negativity that the amateur products did not continue selling, even though there were some in stock, or took a few years to sell what normally would have taken a couple of months, again, due to the negativity. Granted, sometimes the owner is a bit quick with interesting come backs, but if you were told a thousand times a day how you were doing things wrong, when your heart was in the right place trying to do the right thing, I think you'd be peeved too. One reason why I am where I am today, I didn't need the negativity in my life, and I see it hasn't changed. Feel free to repost/cut/paste this, but remember, please post the whole thing, only cutting snippets is just egging people on to say further negative things. Quit the cycle, and help if you really want a rig, or just watch for a while if you don't. But don't make your post the reason some young enterprising mind of a young ham gets scared away from a company that had they not invented most of what they did, most of the other companies would not be where they are today.

one additional mistake i may have made is saying the Omni VII+ has an updated auto-tuner. It could have been that only pertains to the future Eagle + -- as I discussed both rigs a little with Mike -- and now i cant remember for certain if his talk about how quick the new autotuner is and the different sound it makes pertains to both the Omni VII+ and the Eagle + or just one... we all need to stay tuned -- or buy an Omni VII+ from Mike / www.tentec.com (http://www.tentec.com) and report back here on topic.

I don't think anyone is throwing shade here Rob, it's just kind of discussing the obvious stuff.  There is great competition at that price point, and Ten Tec is calling it an Omni VII+.  Unfortunately no one know what that is right now.  I talked to several people who visited their booth at Xenia, they said there was really no information on it.  So stay tuned we will but Ten Tec had better bring their A game to the table.

One quick thing Rob, don't know if you noticed or not, I refer to Ten Tec (the company), not Mike.  This is about a company, it is not personal unless people make it that way.

Anyway, hope to see some specs real soon so we can see what plus means.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: NN4RH on May 19, 2019, 12:14:51 PM
Those JH posts now seem to have been deleted from the Facebook page ...


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 19, 2019, 05:23:56 PM
I don't think anyone is throwing shade here Rob, it's just kind of discussing the obvious stuff.  There is great competition at that price point, and Ten Tec is calling it an Omni VII+.  Unfortunately no one know what that is right now.  I talked to several people who visited their booth at Xenia, they said there was really no information on it.  So stay tuned we will but Ten Tec had better bring their A game to the table.

John, what is obvious is that you came in here and tried to add negative spin to the thread...  Pretty sure the present owner of Ten-Tec is aware that it is important to bring his A game to the table and that the other xcvr manufacturers havent been frozen in time over the past several years.  did you ever take Mike up on his request that you call him to discuss Ten-Tec (the company)? https://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,123601.15.html (https://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,123601.15.html) if yes, what did you learn; if not, why not  ???

Quote from: KA4DPO
One quick thing Rob, don't know if you noticed or not, I refer to Ten Tec (the company), not Mike.  This is about a company, it is not personal unless people make it that way.

John, it is good to hear you arent wanting to get personal here, but also remember that Ten-Tec the company *is* Mike and the employees.  

Quote from: KA4DPO
Anyway, hope to see some specs real soon so we can see what plus means.

it seems a little bit odd too that you are now in a hurry for the Omni VII+ specs to come out even though you are on record saying you would not be holding your breath when Mike stated the Omni VII+ would be coming out soon (and asked you to call him about Ten-Tec)...  let's just take a wait and see approach and not attempt to push the river

"when you throw dirt; you lose ground"


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 19, 2019, 08:50:55 PM
I don't think anyone is throwing shade here Rob, it's just kind of discussing the obvious stuff.  There is great competition at that price point, and Ten Tec is calling it an Omni VII+.  Unfortunately no one know what that is right now.  I talked to several people who visited their booth at Xenia, they said there was really no information on it.  So stay tuned we will but Ten Tec had better bring their A game to the table.

John, what is obvious is that you came in here and tried to add negative spin to the thread...  Pretty sure the present owner of Ten-Tec is aware that it is important to bring his A game to the table and that the other xcvr manufacturers havent been frozen in time over the past several years.  did you ever take Mike up on his request that you call him to discuss Ten-Tec (the company)? https://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,123601.15.html (https://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,123601.15.html) if yes, what did you learn; if not, why not  ???

Quote from: KA4DPO
One quick thing Rob, don't know if you noticed or not, I refer to Ten Tec (the company), not Mike.  This is about a company, it is not personal unless people make it that way.

John, it is good to hear you arent wanting to get personal here, but also remember that Ten-Tec the company *is* Mike and the employees.  

Quote from: KA4DPO
Anyway, hope to see some specs real soon so we can see what plus means.

it seems a little bit odd too that you are now in a hurry for the Omni VII+ specs to come out even though you are on record saying you would not be holding your breath when Mike stated the Omni VII+ would be coming out soon (and asked you to call him about Ten-Tec)...  let's just take a wait and see approach and not attempt to push the river

"when you throw dirt; you lose ground"


Talk about spin......  All companies are made up of people.  I just recently remarked on what seems to be less than acceptable spectral purity for the K3, given it's cost I think they could do better.  I did not see anything from you regarding that.

I do want to see specs, when a company says they are introducing a new model, in this case a plus version of the Omni VII, I would like to see exactly what the differences are between it and the old Omni VII.  There is nothing wrong with that at all.  Perhaps you should try being a little less self righteous.  No one cares.

The only thing that seems odd is that you feel as though you have to flame anyone who tries to have a discussion about, or questions what Ten Tec is doing.  If you are willing to buy a radio for three grand that is less capable than a nine hundred dollar Icom then please be my guest.

Stop trying to make this a personal issue, you are just being a troll.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KF5HWG on May 20, 2019, 01:19:39 AM
I am just glad to see an American company making a radio.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 20, 2019, 07:47:47 AM
I am just glad to see an American company making a radio.

There are several doing just that, most notably, Elecraft and Flex Radio.  I remember when the very first Japanese radios came out, we thought they were junk.  I did not own a Japanese radio until 1977 when I got my Kenwood 599-D twins.  I had two more American rigs after that, A KWM-2, and a Drake TR4CW, easily one of the best radios I ever owned. 

Yaesu just proved a point with the FTDX-101D that analog front ends are still more robust that A to D converters right up front.  I hope Ten Tec is thinking along those lines but it costs a lot of money to come up with a competitive design that you can sell at a reasonable price point and still make a profit.  So far Elecraft has done well at that but even they must be feeling the heat from off shore.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: WB8NUT on May 20, 2019, 09:55:06 AM
OK, I went by the TenTec booth several times and did not notice the "new" Omni. Not saying it was not there, but I and my other two ham buddies just did not notice. However, in looking at the pictures, I noticed the back showed model 588 which is the same model number of the original Omni 7. So is this really a new radio or is this batch of radios just the sub-qty 20 that Mike said he had parts for and could build? Seems that it would have had a different model number if it was truly a newly upgraded model.

Aside from that, the traffic at the Hamvention was really around Flexradio and Elecraft when it came to U.S. based companies. As I have said many times, my concern for Mike delaying manufacturing of radios would have the TenTec customer base migrating away to Flexradio and Elecraft. By the traffic analysis of Flex, Elecraft and TenTec, I was correct. Very little interest in TenTec compared to the other two who were constantly slammed with people.

Also, the radio designs from Flexradio and Elecraft are SDR based now and continuing to migrate in that direction. If TenTec is going to compete, they need new designs around SDR that will offer something new to garner attention from that buyer of U.S. manufactured radios. It is just not going to work with those old designs.

JMHO


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 20, 2019, 10:05:14 AM
In other news... CQ Magazine is still publishing. May issue arrived in...... May....


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 20, 2019, 05:02:43 PM
the radio designs from Flexradio and Elecraft are SDR based now and continuing to migrate in that direction. If TenTec is going to compete, they need new designs around SDR that will offer something new to garner attention from that buyer of U.S. manufactured radios. It is just not going to work with those old designs.

Obviously in order to compete a company must innovate unless it is only interested in selling vintage gear.  But that said, Ten-Tec was pretty cutting edge when it went on hiatus and it may not be as far behind as you suppose.  i am not a user of contest grade stations, but i have no reason to doubt N3QE's experience or assessment below:


I have two Eagles, and have made over a quarter million QSO's with them. I also get to frequently use K3's at contest superstations. The Eagle is pretty much the same generation as the K3 (if anything, Elecraft was following Ten-Tec's lead in terms of downconversion high-performance DSP rigs) and is just as good in every demanding situation I've ever encountered (in fact I prefer the Eagle in terms of user interface).

I would be glad to support the new Ten-Tec with my wallet if they had anything for sale. I can't comment on their current service department because my Eagles never break :-).



Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: K5XS on May 21, 2019, 06:14:31 AM
OK, I went by the TenTec booth several times and did not notice the "new" Omni. Not saying it was not there, but I and my other two ham buddies just did not notice.

Duffy,

Thanks for the report.  If you can share, what _was_ in the Ten Tec booth?

73,
Bernie


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 21, 2019, 06:23:17 AM
There are some photos posted on the Ten Tec  Facebook page.  I asked my friend, who was there, to check out the booth. He said he couldn't get near it--eight deep.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W5JON on May 21, 2019, 07:40:41 AM
There are some photos posted on the Ten Tec  Facebook page.  I asked my friend, who was there, to check out the booth. He said he couldn't get near it--eight deep.

Hi,

He must have been there at a different time then I was. When I went by there it was ONE deep.

73,

John


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W0BKR on May 21, 2019, 08:53:19 AM
Wonder exactly what the 7+ is, if they are using labels from the 7.  I am guessing they are builds of the 7 from residual stock but what do I know, wasn't there and didn't ask.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: WB8NUT on May 21, 2019, 09:53:10 AM

Duffy,

Thanks for the report.  If you can share, what _was_ in the Ten Tec booth?

73,
Bernie

Bernie, the only thing I noticed were the same old models of radio that TenTec had prior to Mike buying the company. There was also a chrome microphone for sale as I recall. Then at the right side of the booth were the Alpha amps. I am not an amp person so I did not really pay attention to the amps at all. I guess the Omni 7+ was there based on other reports and photographs, but again to tell you the truth, we did not notice it. If it really is going to go into production, I would have thought there would have been something in the booth announcing it to draw your attention. But it just looked like the same booth and display they had over the past years since Mike took over the company so we really were not that interested in spending any time there.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 21, 2019, 04:43:29 PM
what _was_ in the Ten Tec booth?

here are two photos i took late morning Saturday; the Omni VII+ is the rig on its own table back behind the right front table.  I think the plan is to release the Omni VII + and the Eagle + first before moving to an Orion III, Argonaut VII and / or other new models. The Omni VII + has a metal face front panel that will be made in Ohio.  The Omni VII+ also has new improved buttons and knobs and i believe there are other upgrades and that info will likely be coming out soon.   There was an Omni VI that later became the VI+ so it seems they are following that approach in the interim.  

(https://i.postimg.cc/W3gsGCnH/IMG-0677.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bY0zsXdG/IMG-0676.jpg)


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: WB8NUT on May 22, 2019, 05:59:00 AM
N9FB, thanks for the pictures. They back-up my statements. First, hardly any traffic at the TenTec display. Second, on the right it appears to be the Omni 7+. Notice there is nothing to note "New" or "coming soon!" or anything to grab your attention so you want to go over and look and inquire as to what it is all about.

Mike, I know you read these posts. For cripe sakes, do some marketing and sales! You missed a big opportunity by failing to have any signage around the Omni 7+ at the Hamvention. Some simple low-cost black and white handouts talking about the improvements, pricing, specs, availability would also have been nice. And again, keep the website updated with regular updates. While you may be mostly a one-man band right now, as the saying goes, "nothing happens until somebody sells something" so start doing some selling to build excitement and interest.

Now I will return you to your regular programming.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 22, 2019, 06:27:27 AM
Yawn.... 


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 22, 2019, 07:54:47 AM
Every new radio I have ever seen at Dayton was prominently displayed with lots of enticing specs, colorful photos and charts, and other information about the product.  These are designed to draw your attention, and they always did.  Since I did not go to Xenia, I have to take the word of others but the pictures say a lot.

Based solely on the photographs, I see what appears to be the same old Omni VII with a new front panel and no signage saying it is new or improved.    I also noticed John Henry deleted his post from the Ten Tec Facebook page.  That makes me wonder what was in it that he didn't want anyone to read.

There is a lot of hype surrounding this radio, only it's not the good kind.  If this thing is indeed a plus model, then please publish some specifications and documentation telling everyone how much better it performs than the legacy Omni VII and what technological advancements it contains over the old one.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W5JON on May 22, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
Yawn.... 

That is exactly what I did as I walked through the Ten-Tec booth....


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: WB8NUT on May 24, 2019, 09:34:45 AM
Yawn.... 

That is exactly what I did as I walked through the Ten-Tec booth....


LOL, now that was a funny response!


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 24, 2019, 07:05:49 PM
Quote from: W1BR
Yawn.... 

Quote from: W5JON
That is exactly what I did as I walked through the Ten-Tec booth....

Quote from: WB8NUT
LOL, now that was a funny response!

you premature funeral committee guys have a "funny" sense of humor  ::)


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 24, 2019, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: W1BR
Yawn.... 

Quote from: W5JON
That is exactly what I did as I walked through the Ten-Tec booth....

Quote from: WB8NUT
LOL, now that was a funny response!

you premature funeral committee guys have a "funny" sense of humor  ::)

I don't think he meant his comment to be funny, evidently everyone else yawed as well. 


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 25, 2019, 09:28:39 AM
the radio designs from Flexradio and Elecraft are SDR based now and continuing to migrate in that direction. If TenTec is going to compete, they need new designs around SDR that will offer something new to garner attention from that buyer of U.S. manufactured radios. It is just not going to work with those old designs.

Obviously in order to compete a company must innovate unless it is only interested in selling vintage gear.  But that said, Ten-Tec was pretty cutting edge when it went on hiatus and it may not be as far behind as you suppose.  i am not a user of contest grade stations, but i have no reason to doubt N3QE's experience or assessment below --  [emphasis added] --


I have two Eagles, and have made over a quarter million QSO's with them. I also get to frequently use K3's at contest superstations. The Eagle is pretty much the same generation as the K3 (if anything, Elecraft was following Ten-Tec's lead in terms of downconversion high-performance DSP rigs) and is just as good in every demanding situation I've ever encountered (in fact I prefer the Eagle in terms of user interface).

I would be glad to support the new Ten-Tec with my wallet if they had anything for sale. I can't comment on their current service department because my Eagles never break :-).

The current owner of Ten-Tec may not be moving fast enough for his detractors here, nor focusing as much time on PR as the armchair CEOs & "experts" here expect, but he is spending his time, energy and money on trying to bring Ten-Tec back and keeping the service department in TN open -- and i find that commendable.  He also has not made false guarantees or promises, as can be seen from the older quote below:

Quote from: https://www.tentec.com/
The Ten Tec team is working on production improvements to our facility and business. We are fully occupied with our commercial business at this time. When I have capacity the next step is to run the first batch of Omni 7+ which is the Omni 7 with some minor cosmetic changes and improvements such as a flat metal front for improved shielding. Following this we are releasing the Super Eagle which brings into the Eagle most of the DSP features found on the Orion II and is the first step on the path to the Orion III. This is different hardware from existing product so it is not a firmware upgrade. There are no firm dates or guarantees for when these things will occur.



Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA1CNK on May 25, 2019, 10:33:17 AM
Would people rather see Elon Musk type Tesla comments coming out of Ten Tec?   Constantly moving release dates and pricing for things that won't be built until enough more expensive versions are sold?

I would like to see some sort more recent news on the website though.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: WB8NUT on May 26, 2019, 02:43:19 AM
I wish more people who comment had a better sense of how a business should function.

Marketing is not PR. Not sure what an "armchair" CEO is as most CEOs are very involved with their businesses. But one thing about most CEOs, they are always selling their company's products. Some may do PR, but all are selling and marketing since the only way their companies can be successful is if someone buys/consumes their products.

As I recall, the word from last (2018) Hamvention was that TenTec would be manufacturing those Omni 7+ by the end of last year. Maybe that was not a commitment.

Before the previous TenTec failed, it was pretty state-of-the-art; I will give you that one. Probably why I owned so much TenTec gear. Shack was pretty much filled with it. However, the state-of-the-art continues to advance at an ever increasing rate. Why do you think Kenwood, Yaesu and Icom are constantly refreshing their product lines? Even Flex did a complete refresh from the radios they manufactured five years ago. So what is TenTec's direction? Enhancing the old models from five years ago.

Will they sell some radios if they ever bring them to market? Sure, some old customers will return to make a purchase; no doubt. Will they set the ham world on fire? I don't see it. Too far behind the current state-of-the-art. SDR based radios are the current state-of-the-art and those radios are not just for contest stations. They have great operational advantages for the average ham station.

One thing can be said, if Elon Musk was running TenTec you can bet they would be offering state-of-the-art SDR radios and they would be selling radios by now. Elon Musk is a risk taker. While a little quirky, he does no how to take a risk and is very successful. The other thing Elon would be doing is updating his customers and potential customers on the progress of the company and its products. So yes, I would like to see Mike act a bit more like Elon Musk.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA1CNK on May 29, 2019, 08:24:42 AM
He'd also be taking deposits for stuff that will be delivered much later than promised, cost more than first announced, have quality control issues, sell more expensive ones to new customers, while ones with deposits are still waiting....

The ham radio market is lots smaller, probably won't support this marketing strategy.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: NN4RH on May 29, 2019, 09:30:30 AM
It's on the TenTec.com web site today.

Store page:  https://www.tentec.com/?page_id=1555

Product page: https://www.tentec.com/?p=2844





Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on May 29, 2019, 10:27:27 AM
It's on the TenTec.com web site today.

Store page:  https://www.tentec.com/?page_id=1555

Product page: https://www.tentec.com/?p=2844



I just saw it, good job at long last, It seems a little pricey for the segment though.  If you add the antenna tuner, optional filters, and a fan, the price shows as $3,525.00.

An IC-7610 comes in at three grand (R&L has them for $2998.00) fully loaded.  A Flex 6400M is at thirty three and change with the built in AT.  I did see that the Omni VII + has a dedicated rear connector for a pan adaptor.  That's a good feature considering the sample and hold spectrum scope on the front panel is pretty antiquated.

So now we will see if they sell like hotcakes or vending machine fish sticks.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: WB8NUT on May 30, 2019, 05:48:41 AM
I just put an Omni 7+ in the basket just for kicks. I noticed it said that there are 13 remaining in stock. So this initial batch of Omni 7s were most likely manufactured from the remaining parts Mike mentioned several years ago that he had in inventory, and that he just needed the new front panel. As I recall he said he'll see how the sales of this limited group goes to determine if he will do a new run of Omni's.

I did not see any mention of the warranty period. I did notice that Flex is providing their equipment with a 2-year warranty. Like DPO mentioned, other competitive offerings have a price advantage, not to mention a technology advantage.

For now, I am going to hang on to my shovel. Even if Lazarus came back from the dead, he still ultimately died, so just in case, I might need the shovel.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W1BR on May 30, 2019, 06:55:38 AM
Mike has said all along he would a limited production run to test the waters--but that the commercial end of his business came first.  I looked the other day, and the Omni VII count was 17.  So, they are selling.  I doubt he used "old boards" since the original factory inventories were pretty well decimated during the fire sales.   Mike said what he was going to do, and he did.  Personally, if I ever buy a new rig it would be a K4 or hopefully an Orion III if one is offered.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 30, 2019, 07:39:04 AM
I wish more people who comment had a better sense of how a business should function.

and what experience (pray tell) do you have running a business?  The person who owns Ten-Tec now has owned Dishtronix for some time and also had experience working at some major manufacturing companies.  Mr. Dishop has pointed out that the focus of Ten-Tec has been on the commercial business heretofore, and that it will take additional resources for him to fully fund the amateur radio xcvr vision he has for Ten-Tec, so at some point that may well include more allocations to the marketing and promotion areas. 
The Omni VII+ is now out and being sold -- https://www.tentec.com/?p=2844 (https://www.tentec.com/?p=2844)
Since you are posting online here attempting to school folks on how a business should function -- please share what professional experiences and education you hold that make you so quick to offer advice?  


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W9IQ on May 30, 2019, 08:02:17 AM
It is odd that the downloadable manual on that link is a 2007 edition. That doesn't make it possible to look at the new features in any detail.

- Glenn W9IQ


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 30, 2019, 08:26:42 AM
Here is a video interview of owner Mike Dishop at the Ten-Tec / Alpha / Dishtronix booth at this year's Hamvention, and in it is a discussion & showing of the new Omni VII Plus:
https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA (https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA)


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W9IQ on May 30, 2019, 08:27:59 AM
It is also odd that the last software update on that link is from 2016.

- Glenn W9IQ


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA1CNK on May 30, 2019, 10:23:46 AM
Well, nowr we have a product to see how it actually works and compares to the competition.  Looking forward to seeing reviews and lab tests.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W9IQ on May 30, 2019, 11:52:19 AM
Well, nowr we have a product to see how it actually works and compares to the competition.  Looking forward to seeing reviews and lab tests.

Since there doesn't seem to be any change to the receive RF chain or the firmware, I would think it would not change on Sherwood's chart - except perhaps for component and manufacturing variances.

- Glenn W9IQ


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: WB8NUT on May 30, 2019, 01:17:08 PM

and what experience (pray tell) do you have running a business?  

Thanks for asking. I ran a $20M Commercial Information Services division at McDonnell Douglas Corporation. When I took it over it was unprofitable and in two years I had it profitable. I also developed a new market for their mainframe computing systems services giving it new life. I then took over creating a channel sales group for a 4G language McDonnell Douglas acquired which was the first time they ever did channel sales. When I left that position, 95% of the revenue from that product came from channel sales. For 19 years I was one of five board members running one of Ohio largest township park districts. Financially it was very successful and we went from being totally dependent on tax revenue when I started, to being only 50% dependent on tax revenue when I left the board. Never once increased tax milage (which required a vote of the people); something quite unheard of in government. BTW, that position was completely voluntary. I could go on with other business, sales and marketing successes, but that should give you a good idea.....and you???


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 30, 2019, 11:29:26 PM
me?  I'm not the one offering unsolicited marketing and manufacturing advice to someone who has experience running a company that manufactures ham radio equipment for amateur radio operators.  ::)

Hamvention video interview of Ten-Tec booth: https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA (https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA)


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: WB8NUT on May 31, 2019, 04:35:15 AM
me?  I'm not the one offering unsolicited marketing and manufacturing advice to someone who has experience running a company that manufactures ham radio equipment for amateur radio operators.  ::)


So I guess by your response, that means none.

Most companies like and solicit feedback from their customers. It helps them improve their business. The worst thing for businesses is when customers just walk away without telling a company why they are unhappy. Businesses need feedback on their products and service in order to learn how to improve and better respond to the needs of their customers and prospective customers.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9VO on May 31, 2019, 05:00:36 AM
me?  I'm not the one offering unsolicited marketing and manufacturing advice to someone who has experience running a company that manufactures ham radio equipment for amateur radio operators.  ::)

Hamvention video interview of Ten-Tec booth: https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA (https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA)


I'd say his comments were not unsolicited. You specifically asked (pray tell) for them. Guess he dropped the mic on ya.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 31, 2019, 06:44:42 AM
Quote from: WB8NUT
So I guess by your response, that means none.

you and i both apparently have no experience owning a company.  and while i have no experience managing my own company, i am familiar with the general cliches & mantras you are offering here -- like the importance of innovating & being customer centric -- and with how easy it is to be an armchair critic. 

Quote from: N9FB
me?  I'm not the one offering unsolicited marketing and manufacturing advice to someone who has experience running a company that manufactures ham radio equipment for amateur radio operators.  ::)

Quote from: N9VO
I'd say his comments were not unsolicited. You specifically asked (pray tell) for them. Guess he dropped the mic on ya.

re-read the context here -- his unsolicited advice to which i was referring is in his posts over the past few years in which he attempts to school the new owner of Ten-Tec.
If NUT's comments weren't unsolicited, please quote or link where the owner of Ten-Tec asks NUT for advice.   If NUT has advice he wants to offer as a good Samaritan and not as an armchair critic, he ought to call or email Mr. Dishop -- not post it on eham where the advice amounts to little more than peanut gallery criticism of the new owner's efforts...

- - - -

Hamvention video interview of Ten-Tec booth: https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA (https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA)


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: WB8NUT on May 31, 2019, 07:12:15 AM
Actually, he did ask for my advice several years ago on website tools that I use. If you also read his comments a few years back (I think they are on QRZ), he did make mention that compared to the comments from others, at least mine were constructive.

I believe Mike may be a great engineer for all I know. One thing for sure is that I am not a good judge of engineering talent. I am however a very good business generalist and excellent at sales and marketing. These are some areas I think Mike needs help with to really get TenTec back to where it was ten years ago.

In spite of what others may think, I do wish him the best and success. His path is not the one I would have chosen for TenTec, and I have made that clear. His path may work, I just think it is going to take a long time to do it his way. I also think the longer he takes to build the business, the more customers and potential customers will lose faith and fall away. Can you imagine if GM took four years or more after their business collapsed to start building cars again how that would have impacted their future success?

I use the 2019 Hamvention as an example of missing a major opportunity. Nothing around the Omni 7+ to note it is coming back in a few weeks. Nothing to draw a customer's attention to the radio to have a discussion. That is the largest ham radio gathering in the world and a huge miss of an opportunity. There should have been balloons and huge "new" and "coming soon" all around that radio; but nothing. I walked right past the TenTec display several times as did the friends I was with thinking, same old stuff on display and nothing new so keep moving.

If Mike is going to run the business and do the engineering work, then he really needs to find someone to do sales and marketing to get some excitement going around the new TenTec.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on May 31, 2019, 07:55:25 AM
thanks for the non-adversarial, constructive, reply. 

2019 Hamvention on-site video interview of Ten-Tec owner: https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA



Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on June 06, 2019, 06:26:06 AM
If Mike is going to run the business and do the engineering work, then he really needs to find someone to do sales and marketing to get some excitement going around the new TenTec.

at some point he probably plans to do that, but right now he is still in the very early stages of transitioning Ten-Tec from a focus on the commercial business (which brings in revenue) to fully updating the Ten-Tec line.  

the Ten-Tec website quote below was taken from earlier this year --

Quote from: https://www.tentec.com/
The Ten Tec team is working on production improvements to our facility and business. We are fully occupied with our commercial business at this time. When I have capacity the next step is to run the first batch of Omni 7+ which is the Omni 7 with some minor cosmetic changes and improvements such as a flat metal front for improved shielding. Following this we are releasing the Super Eagle which brings into the Eagle most of the DSP features found on the Orion II and is the first step on the path to the Orion III. This is different hardware from existing product so it is not a firmware upgrade. There are no firm dates or guarantees for when these things will occur.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on June 06, 2019, 07:40:47 AM
If Mike is going to run the business and do the engineering work, then he really needs to find someone to do sales and marketing to get some excitement going around the new TenTec.

at some point he probably plans to do that, but right now he is still in the very early stages of transitioning Ten-Tec from a focus on the commercial business (which brings in revenue) to fully updating the Ten-Tec line.  

the Ten-Tec website quote below was taken from earlier this year --

Quote from: https://www.tentec.com/
The Ten Tec team is working on production improvements to our facility and business. We are fully occupied with our commercial business at this time. When I have capacity the next step is to run the first batch of Omni 7+ which is the Omni 7 with some minor cosmetic changes and improvements such as a flat metal front for improved shielding. Following this we are releasing the Super Eagle which brings into the Eagle most of the DSP features found on the Orion II and is the first step on the path to the Orion III. This is different hardware from existing product so it is not a firmware upgrade. There are no firm dates or guarantees for when these things will occur.


You are an interesting personality.  You just flame anyone who utters even the slightest hint that Ten Tec might not be all that and a bag of chips, but you have not purchased an Omni VII+.  Why not?


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on June 06, 2019, 08:41:02 AM
Quote from: WB8NUT
If Mike is going to run the business and do the engineering work, then he really needs to find someone to do sales and marketing to get some excitement going around the new TenTec.


Quote from: N9FB
at some point he probably plans to do that, but right now he is still in the very early stages of transitioning Ten-Tec from a focus on the commercial business (which brings in revenue) to fully updating the Ten-Tec line. 
the Ten-Tec website quote below was taken from earlier this year --

Quote from: https://www.tentec.com/
The Ten Tec team is working on production improvements to our facility and business. We are fully occupied with our commercial business at this time. When I have capacity the next step is to run the first batch of Omni 7+ which is the Omni 7 with some minor cosmetic changes and improvements such as a flat metal front for improved shielding. Following this we are releasing the Super Eagle which brings into the Eagle most of the DSP features found on the Orion II and is the first step on the path to the Orion III. This is different hardware from existing product so it is not a firmware upgrade. There are no firm dates or guarantees for when these things will occur.



Quote from: KA4DPO
You are an interesting personality.  You just flame anyone who utters even the slightest hint that Ten Tec might not be all that and a bag of chips, but you have not purchased an Omni VII+.  Why not?


There is of course no rule against it, but why it is that literally hundreds of your posts here on eham here have been spent badmouthing Ten-Tec? Dont you own an Icom 7610???  did you ever take Mike up on his request that you call him on the phone to discuss your questions about TT?  my presence here is because i would like to see Ten-Tec come back and prosper and, lest these threads be little more than detractors like you throwing peanuts from the gallery, i figure it is worth my time to try to relay actual information from TT itself as a sort of counter-balance.   As it is, I am very happy with my Dec 2009 model Jupiter.  I got to play with the Omni VII+ at Hamvention and the new metal front panel & the upgraded user-friendly tactile buttons and buttery smooth turning knobs were nice -- i would love to be in a position to support Ten-Tec and acquire a new xcvr ... if buying a brand new xcvr wouldnt put me in something much too close to this guy's domestic situation:  https://youtu.be/O7kirdtdI1c (https://youtu.be/O7kirdtdI1c)  ;)
^That^ said, if and when the Super Eagle comes out I will likely be ready to bite the bullet & upgrade regardless.

Quote
video interview of the Ten-Tec booth at Hamvention 2019
 https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA (https://youtu.be/RqvCDt6X5eA)



Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: NN4RH on June 06, 2019, 09:18:51 AM
Slight distraction from the thread but it appears that they have finally gotten the Ten Tec trademark out of limbo.

The current listed owner is now Dishtronix.   http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4805:nrpwj6.2.1


I doubt if they'd go thorugh the trouble and expense of doing that, unless they were serious.

They might have to sell at least 13 of those radios just to pay for the lawyer. Unless they have a cheap lawyer.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on June 07, 2019, 06:01:34 AM
Looks like the TT website store has an updated pic of the Omni VII+ now; some day these original versions of the TT Omni VII+ may be worth a lot to collectors:

https://www.tentec.com/store/ (https://www.tentec.com/store/)


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9AOP on June 07, 2019, 08:11:16 AM
If a lawyer is any good at all he (or she) will not be cheap.  Hopefully Ten Tec is doing a good business outside of the amateur market.
Art


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on June 13, 2019, 07:57:31 PM
If a lawyer is any good at all he (or she) will not be cheap.  Hopefully Ten Tec is doing a good business outside of the amateur market.
Art

I don't think they are doing anything outside of the amateur market.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: W9FIB on June 15, 2019, 06:41:49 AM
If a lawyer is any good at all he (or she) will not be cheap.  Hopefully Ten Tec is doing a good business outside of the amateur market.
Art

I don't think they are doing anything outside of the amateur market.

Of course you wouldn't. N9FB has a point.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on June 15, 2019, 06:59:10 AM
Quote from: KA4DPO
I don't think they are doing anything outside of the amateur market.

Quote from: W9FIB
Of course you wouldn't. N9FB has a point.

i think(?) you meant the point that --

[they are] still in the very early stages of transitioning Ten-Tec from a focus on the commercial business (which brings in revenue) to updating & releasing the new Ten-Tec amateur radio xcvr line.
  
the Ten-Tec website quote below was taken from earlier this year (before the release of the Omni VII+ last month) --

Quote from: https://www.tentec.com/
The Ten Tec team is working on production improvements to our facility and business. We are fully occupied with our commercial business at this time. When I have capacity the next step is to run the first batch of Omni 7+ which is the Omni 7 with some minor cosmetic changes and improvements such as a flat metal front for improved shielding. Following this we are releasing the Super Eagle which brings into the Eagle most of the DSP features found on the Orion II and is the first step on the path to the Orion III. This is different hardware from existing product so it is not a firmware upgrade. There are no firm dates or guarantees for when these things will occur.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on June 15, 2019, 07:44:42 AM
Quote from: KA4DPO
I don't think they are doing anything outside of the amateur market.

Quote from: W9FIB
Of course you wouldn't. N9FB has a point.

i think(?) you meant the point that --

[they are] still in the very early stages of transitioning Ten-Tec from a focus on the commercial business (which brings in revenue) to updating & releasing the new Ten-Tec amateur radio xcvr line.
  
the Ten-Tec website quote below was taken from earlier this year (before the release of the Omni VII+ last month) --

Quote from: https://www.tentec.com/
The Ten Tec team is working on production improvements to our facility and business. We are fully occupied with our commercial business at this time. When I have capacity the next step is to run the first batch of Omni 7+ which is the Omni 7 with some minor cosmetic changes and improvements such as a flat metal front for improved shielding. Following this we are releasing the Super Eagle which brings into the Eagle most of the DSP features found on the Orion II and is the first step on the path to the Orion III. This is different hardware from existing product so it is not a firmware upgrade. There are no firm dates or guarantees for when these things will occur.


Here is what commercial/government/military radio receivers look like these days.

 http://www.sunairelectronics.com/web/hf-radios/r-9000e-software-defined-mf-hf-ssb-isb-receiver/

This is but one example, there are a dozen more, but suffice to say, all are cutting edge DSP with full networking capability to the latest standards.  It is difficult for me to conceive that any commercial, (non-military, non-government) enterprise would need or want HF receivers. 

If they did I don't think they would want 20 year old stuff considering what's out there, and has been out there in the last ten years or so.

Right now I am waiting to see the new, updated Eagle to see what it brings to the table.  I am also waiting to see a review, not Eham, of the OmniVII+ perhaps by ARRL or Sherwood.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N9FB on June 15, 2019, 09:05:01 AM
Quote from: KA4DPO
Right now I am waiting to see the new, updated Eagle to see what it brings to the table.  I am also waiting to see a review, not Eham, of the OmniVII+ perhaps by ARRL or Sherwood.

Okay so why not stay there then and stop the trend of your incessant (literally hundreds) of posts expressing your endless & repetitive disdain for all things Ten-Tec over the last 5 years here  ???
i have yet to use it on anyone, but i suppose the "Ignore" button would clean up these threads nicely.  You dont even have the common courtesy to take up the Ten-Tec owner's request that you call him rather than endlessly ranting your negative opinions about TT and its chances of success  :-\


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: KA4DPO on June 15, 2019, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: KA4DPO
Right now I am waiting to see the new, updated Eagle to see what it brings to the table.  I am also waiting to see a review, not Eham, of the OmniVII+ perhaps by ARRL or Sherwood.
You dont even have the common courtesy to take up the Ten-Tec owner's request that you call him rather than endlessly ranting your negative opinions about TT and its chances of success  :-\

That has nothing to do with courtesy.  I have no intention of calling him, or anyone else for that matter.  That is, in my estimation, a very childish game.  I am too old for that kind of nonsense.  Why don't you call him for me.


Title: RE: Omni VII Plus --Ten Tec is back
Post by: N5KO on June 16, 2019, 10:42:39 AM
This thread has run its course and has been locked.