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Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: KJ4CAO on March 17, 2008, 06:57:24 PM
Subject: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:10:43 -0400
From: r3k4him@gmail.com


 
> Dropping Gas Prices
>
> THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR  ONE DAY, BUT IT  WILL SHOW YOU HOW
WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN
> TO $1.30 PER  GALLON.
>
>
>
> This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive.   It came from one of his
engineer buddies who
> retired from Halliburton.  If  you are tired of the gas prices going up
AND they will continue to
> rise this  summer, take time to read this please.
>
> Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.
>
>
> This  makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
campaign  that was going
> around last April or May! It's worth your consideration.   Join the
resistance!!!!
>
> I  hear we are going to hit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer, and
it might  go higher!!
> Want gasoline prices to come down?
>
> We need  to take some intelligent, united action.  The oil companies just
laughed at  that because
> they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
>
> It was more  of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever  thought of
> this idea has come up with a plan that can really work.  Please  read on
and join with us!
>
> By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at  about $2.00 is super
cheap.  Me too!  It is
> currently $3.19 for  re gular unleaded in my town.
>
> Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nation s have  conditioned us to
think that the cost of a
> gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 -  $1.75, we need to take aggressive
action to teach them that
> BUYERS control the  marketplace..not sellers.
>
> With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we  consumers need to
take action.
>
> The only way we are going to see the price of gas come  down is if we hit
someone in the
> pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!   And, we can do that WITHOUT
hurting ourselves.
>
> How?  Since we all rely on our cars, we can't  just stop buying gas.
>
> But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act  together to force
a price war.
>
> Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T  purchase ANY gasoline
from the two biggest
> companies (which now are one), EXXON  and MOBIL.
>
> If they  are not selling any gas, they will be inclin ed to reduce their
prices.    
>
> If they reduce th eir prices, the  other companies will have to follow
suit.
>
> But to  have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and
Mobil gas  buyers.  It's
> really simple to do!  Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep
reading and I'll explain how
> simple it is to reach millions of people!!
>
> I am sending  this note to 30 people.  If each of us send it to at least
ten more (30 x  10 = 300)
> ..  and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x10 =  3,000)...and
so on, by the time the
> message reaches the sixth group of people,  we will have reached over
THREE MILLION consumers. If
> those three million get  excited and pass this on to ten friends each,
then 30 million people will
> have  been contacted!
>
> If it  goes one level further, you guessed it.....  THREE HUNDRED MILLION
PEOPLE!!!
>
> Again, all  you have to do is send this to 10 people.  That's  al l !
>
> (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to
do is send this to  10
> people....)
>
> How long would all that take?  If each of us  sends this e-mail out to
ten more people within one
> day of receipt, all 300  MILLION people could conceivably be contacted
within the next 8 days!!!
>
> I'll bet you  didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we  can
> make a difference.
>
> If this makes sense to you, please pass this message  on.  I suggest that
we not buy from
> EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR  PRICES TO THE $2.00 RANGE AND KEEP
THEM DOWN.  THIS CAN REALLY
>  WORK.
>
> Keep it going
>


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: KI9A on March 17, 2008, 08:20:10 PM
Wow, is this BS still going around?

So, you are saying if I don't buy gas on, say, Monday, but, buy it Tuesday, the prices will come down??

LMAO!!!!

I'm still buying the same amount, just on different days.

How about this? Carpool, make fewer trips, use ethenol, use mas transit. These will help prices come down.

Read the news. Oil is traded in U.S. $'s. The dollar is falling in value. Say, a year ago, the dollar would buy you 1 gallon of oil. Now it buys 3/4 gallon of oil. So, that means is takes more $$ to buy the same amount as last year. Basic math.

The above is a load of crap. Read this on snopes.com.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp

BS BS BS BS


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: AI4NS on March 17, 2008, 08:45:33 PM
Ethanol is not the answer either. It takes more than a gallon of fossil fuel and 1500 gallons of water to make one gallon of ethanol. Combined with 20% less energy per gallon, it is no answer.


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: KI9A on March 18, 2008, 03:55:16 AM
1500? Nope. Not even close!!! Try 4 gallons, and even less as technology goes on.
 http://acad.carleton.edu/projects/ethanol/EthanolandWaterFAQs.htm

You do understand making ANYTHING uses both fuel & water, right?

Wow. Learn to use google to do research prior to posting what you might have heard around the water cooler at work! ;-)


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: AB2RC on March 18, 2008, 04:41:49 AM
"1500? Nope. Not even close!!! Try 4 gallons, and even less as technology goes on."


I think that the 1500 gallons comes from the water used in the production of the corn used in the production of the ethanol. The 4 gallons you quote is about what is used just in the processing of the corn/grain/other organics into ethanol. It is in the rasing of the plant material that uses up most of the water.


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: KI9A on March 18, 2008, 02:43:26 PM
Ahh, OK, the 1500 makes more sense now.

I also read that they are working on extracting ethenol from switch blade grass, corn cobs, and a bunch of other stuff. No way it will ever replace oil, but, lower demand = lower prices. Anything at this point will help!


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: ONAIR on March 19, 2008, 01:27:18 AM
   The solution is coming.  Plug in hybrids will soon be on the market, which will enable one to drive 60 miles without burning an ounce of gas, and can fully recharge in about 6 hours from your home outlet.  Now if we can eliminate the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity into the grid, our dependence on foreign oil could be drastically curtailed, and we could put a huge dent in greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere.


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: WW5AA on March 19, 2008, 07:16:58 AM
Actually if everyone bought gas from the lowest priced location within 5 miles of where they usually buy gas and not buy from Exon or Mobile, the price would come down rapidly. Even better would be to put the futures traders in jail (:-)

73 de Lindy


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: AD7KE on March 19, 2008, 09:53:10 AM
The only way to lower gas prices is to use less of it.  BTW, Hybrids do use fossil fuels.  Where do you think the electriciy comes from even if you charge it from a wall outlet.  If everyone owned a hybrid and did not use the "gas" engine to charge the batteries but instead used a wall outlet we would need more power plants (that use fossil fuels).

You want to lower gas prices, get your fat arse out of the car and use some form of transportation where you use your own energy (walking, bicycling, etc).  Until you do this, you should not complain since you are part of the problem.


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: W0FM on March 19, 2008, 10:32:39 AM
Obviously, this site needs a "Resurrected Tired Old E-Mail Nonsense" Forum.

Terry, WØFM


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: ONAIR on March 19, 2008, 04:37:48 PM
    We must concentrate on greater use of solar, wind, wave and hydroelectric energy to produce power.  That will make electric vehicles the most practical way to go.


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: KE4DRN on March 19, 2008, 06:56:23 PM
hi,

great idea !

Now if I can only get the HOA to ammend the
restrictive covenants to allow me to install a
tower with wind generator, that will be great !

I live in North Carolina, where Tobacco was KING.

We have many, many farms sitting idle that no longer
produce tobacco or any other crops.

instead of corn that grows above the ground and is vulnerable to
weather and high winds, we should look to growing crops underground !

the purple sweet potato is one of them, it has very high sugar content
and with machine harvesting and drip irrigation could help with ethanol production.
two crops, one planted early and late will do the job.

NC State University is conducting research for alternatives to corn for ethanol production.



Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: N3OX on March 19, 2008, 10:11:17 PM
"get your fat arse out of the car and use some form of transportation where you use your own energy (walking, bicycling, etc). "

My fat arse is doing its part.

Almost always ride my bike to work.  Still a little mystified what this has to do with ham radio... but at least it's in "Misc"

:-)

Dan


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: K3NRX on March 20, 2008, 07:00:29 AM
So you want gas prices to come down? Then DRILL FOR OIL IN ALASKA AND OFF OF OUR OWN SHORES, WHERE THE FRIGGIN RED CHINESE AND THE VENEZUALENS DRILL!!!..AND STOP WITH THIS ENVIRO-ETHANOL CRAP!!!!....The World Runs on OIL!!!!!...GET OVER IT!!!!!



Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: K1CJS on March 20, 2008, 04:34:14 PM
"Actually if everyone bought gas from the lowest priced location within 5 miles of where they usually buy gas and not buy from Exon or Mobile, the price would come down rapidly. Even better would be to put the futures traders in jail."

Lower price = lower quality = less gas mileage and possible deposits in the combustion chamber of your engine, not to mention the intake/exhaust valves, the intake manifold, the oxygen sensors, etc. etc.  Then you spend money on repairs and replacement parts.  Either way, you lose.

Even if you don't buy gas from the two big ones, this won't make the prices come down.

The second idea is better--but won't be done.

The one thing that may help is to get ourselves out of the mess we're in is to get out of the foreign countries where we aren't welcome and leave them alone to pursue their visions of freedom just like we pursue ours.  We aren't doing anybody favors by forcing our ways on other countries--and that is why we're hated in some places and disliked in others.

We can stop financing those countries where we're not welcome too.  (Especially the ones we get out of.)  Keeping our wealth home and helping our own people should be foremost in our minds anyway.

As soon as these other countries see we aren't going to give them anything more, they'll fall over themselves trying to win back our favor--and we may be able to see lower oil prices again when and if that happens.

Well, welcome to King Dubyas country--it ain't going to.  The 'politicians' running for president won't either--they'll want to stay there to clean up Dubya's mess and curry favor with the rest of the world.

Tell you what--vote for Richard Nixon for president again--even though he's dead, he's better than any of those who are running now.



 


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: ONAIR on March 21, 2008, 12:25:24 AM
   Bush has so far failed to complete the mission of turning Iraq into the 51st US State.  We could then have grabbed all that oil and kept all our huge SUVs going indefinitely!


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: KI9A on March 21, 2008, 05:09:47 PM
AD7KE: "You want to lower gas prices, get your fat arse out of the car and use some form of transportation where you use your own energy (walking, bicycling, etc"

Wow. thanks for the hot tip. But, I work as a construction electrician, normally at least 30 miles one way from home..ever try to lug 100 pounds of tools on foot? Didn't think so.  Or, how about just running the grocery store, 4 miles one way. Have you ever carried 6 or 7 bags of groceries that far? Didn't think so..



Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: KD4AC on March 22, 2008, 05:15:56 AM
I think hydrogen is the way to go.  Unfortunately, for now, it requires the use of fossil fuel to generate the electricity needed to separate the hydrogen from whatever it is bonded to...on earth, that would most readily be oxygen.  However, technology will improve making the production of hydrogen less expensive and more efficient.  It seems to me, though, that someone could easily build a large solar complex in the desert outside of Phoenix or Tucson, where sun is plentiful, for the sole purpose of making hydrogen.  Although, I suppose it would make more sense to do that near a large water source.  Of course, another problem is the people who will cry, "I don't want to see windmills/solar panels in my neighborhood."  Hey, I'd love to put up a windmill in my backyard.  This would help cut down on my electric bill.  If EVERY home had a small windmill in their backyard, in conjunction with roofs shingled with solar cells, we could cut down on our power demands significantly.  We could then get plug in hybrids and not worry about putting a demand on the power grid to charge them.  And, since we'd be using less oil for gas, the price would come down.  But hybrids present a problem....what do you do with all those batteries once they no longer hold a charge?  


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: WA4DOU on March 22, 2008, 01:07:54 PM
OK, I'll bite. I drive an average of 13,100 miles a year in my personal vehicle. While taking inventory of the mileage I'd drive just to and from work, it's 7000. I can't cut out all of the other 6,100 miles per year but I'm sure a lot of it is inefficient use of the vehicle and can be eliminated by careful planning of my trips. Thus I'll bet I can eliminate 3,050 miles. That's >23%. I'll bet many of us doing the same thing can certainly put the break on this thing. I've already begun.


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: WA4DOU on March 22, 2008, 01:16:44 PM
As interesting as solar/wind power is, they're not cost efficient in many settings. Most of us cannot afford to pay our power bill in advance for the next 30-40 years and that is exactly what you have to do with these forms of energy in order to purchase them as all costs are up front. The average American home/family wastes much energy. In order to make a transition to solar/wind power for most or all of their energy needs, folks have to learn every method possible to cut their consumption and then size those reduced needs to appropriate solar/wind packages.


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: KE4DRN on March 25, 2008, 02:58:04 PM
Mr. Fusion

http://www.ketzer.com/delorean_model/delorean_mrfusion.html


Title: Making a drop in gas prices happen.
Post by: VE6BGM on March 29, 2008, 01:59:57 PM
Well, maybe this is an Old E-mail Thread, but to some it is an Old Thorn in our sides.  The middle and low income earners not only pay for the gas and power, but pay more [you can figure this one out].  It is not just what we put in our vehicles that we pay more, everything we purchase will be going up.  I'm sure truckers and trucking outfits will pass on their increases to consumers.  Instead of just brushing this off, do something.  Support a one or more day trucker boycott of driving their rigs.  I have reduced [drastically] the amount of driving I do.  This also hurts recreation facilies as I no longer can afford to drive to them [urbaninization].  It is time that we really do something to eliminate this outright rip off by multinational monopolies!
Well, onto the stationary bicycle for my daily excerse.  Will turn of the radio while doing this to save sky rocketing electrical costs, and adding to pollution.