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Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W4YA on December 31, 2008, 03:56:17 PM
For those who may have considered an ARRL Life Membership, and wonder if it's worth it, this was my experience:

Sometime in the 60's, a year after ARRL started Life Membership, our Division Director was bugging me at a hamfest to get a life membership. I told him I wasn't a millionaire and couldn't afford to shell out 20 years' dues. At the time membership was $6, so Life Membership would be a whopping $120!! No way I would do that!

He prevailed, and I finally signed the paper just to get him off my back.

Now, 40+ years later, I can brag about the great investment that I made.

However, I have noticed that my QST subscription will expire in 2099. I knew there was a trick to it!!!!

73,
Jim W4YA


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: ND4MR on February 05, 2009, 04:56:32 AM
At some point, ARRL Life Membership just isn't worth it. Do the math. The median life expectancy here is the USA is currently 74.8 years. A life membership costs 20 times the current annual dues. That means anyone over 55 is (on average) never going to get back a value equal to what they've paid. This line of reasoning makes a good case for taking out a Life Membership when you're young!
      Of course, getting your money's worth isn't the only reason to "invest" in a Life Membership. As a Director once explained to me, these Life Member revenues go into an income earning fund, and their intentions are to use that fund's earnings to pay for subscription costs, without having to touch the original investment.
      Now I realize that financial wizards and bean counters will want to complicate this simple logic by factoring in future inflation that we annual members will experience, and they will probably want to calculate the "net present value" of a lifetime membership that you buy now. If you want to make your financial decisions based on that kind of complex calculation, have at it. The simple fact remains that you are essentially buying a 20 year subscription, and that just isn't worth it if you don't expect to live for 20 more years.
       


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WA1K on February 06, 2009, 07:37:13 PM
I've been a life member for about 20 years.  While the ARRL may not be perfect (who is?), I couldn't imagine how ham radio would be without it.  I remember being very interested in ham radio as a teenager and it was the ARRL that got me information in the mail that told me what to expect in the hobby and how to get started.  The price of membership is going to keep going up, so if you plan on being around for a while, why not lock in today's rates?  I'm glad that I did many years ago.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: ND4MR on February 07, 2009, 07:00:01 AM
May I say, so that no one is confused, that I am an ARRL member, just not a Life Member. As stated by the previous post'er, how could there be an amateur radio without the League.
      Having said that, I think that saying that ARRL membership is a good investment is a dubious claim. A good friend of mine had a "life" subscription to 73 Magazine, and they went belly up. Just a few days ago I overhead a QSO where another ham had a "life" subscription to WorldRadio and, as we all know, they have now discontinued printed publication.
      My original point remains: if you are over 50, a life membership in the ARRL just isn't worth it.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K8WV on February 13, 2009, 09:48:40 PM
Yes, it is.  It's worth it in two slightly different ways.

First, it's a pretty good investment.  I became a life member as soon as I got my first "real" job after college - 37 years ago.  I've saved a ton of money in dues.  But that's not the best reason

The best reason is the second one.  It's an investment in amateur radio.  Over the years I've found that true supporters of a cause or idea contribute to it in many more ways than just money, and typically don't count the money they do contribute.  I think amateur radio is worth preserving, and I absolutely believe that the League is devoted to that idea.

I should mention that I don't always agree with the League, but I never doubt their dedication.  Over the years I've gotten to know a lot of League officials, and I've been uniformly impressed.

I know many hams disagree with my sentiments, and that's fine.  But they are hams, and without the League, wouldn't be.  Amateur Radio would have ended decades ago.  Not with a bang, but a wimper.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KD4LLA on February 15, 2009, 10:38:28 AM
I belong to other organizations that have life memberships.  Nothing against the ARRL, but had I paid earlier in life it may have been worth it.  But as said in prior posts, after you are 55, one will probably never live long enough to "pay" for it.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on February 22, 2009, 07:47:41 AM
If you really believe that the ARRL is going to defend ham radio, spend your money.  It isn't worth it if you're over 50, but if that's what you want.....

My view is that the ARRL has shifted its focus to defending emergency communications at any cost and has ABANDONED the rest of the hobby outside of promoting contesting--and that even has an emergency communications theme.  Look at the 'membership journal', QST--you'll see that its main focus in any of the articles is toward--emergency communications--and what isn't is nothing but sales catalogue!

I'm 53, and I would gladly spend the money for a lifetime membership even if I wouldn't get my moneys worth--IF THE LEAGUE WAS MORE CENTRALLY FOCUSED ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE HOBBY.  Since it isn't, I may not even keep up my annual subscription.

You're mileage may vary--and if you think membership is worth it--go for it!



Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W6KGP on March 02, 2009, 01:53:01 PM
My opinion...

It's not a matter of cost per se although ones personal cash flow circumstances should be considered.

It's a matter of supporting the voice of Amateur Radio and its interests.  Yes it's worth it!

Not to mention that it's also convenient!


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on March 09, 2009, 04:27:25 AM
What is the difference, Len, if you buy into life membership--or you pay by the year?  You're still supporting the interests of ham radio--the interests of those who control the ARRL, that is.

The only thing you're doing by going for life membership is trying to save yourself a little money by paying a lesser fee per year (as figured by your age and the length of your life) as opposed to the yearly fee.  For those of us over 50 or 55, it just isn't worth it.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K5LXP on March 12, 2009, 08:03:17 PM
It's a good bet the League invests life membership dues and they get some return from it (well, maybe not currently).  When you send in $40 a year or whatever, they're probably doing little more than breaking even.  Life memberships give them some working capital.

Last time I thought about being a life member the dues were not that much less than what I could buy a nice HF rig for.  So I bought the rig.  :-)  If I'd had that kind of coin when I got my ticket at 16 then for sure by now I'd be "ahead" and even now I could probably still beat the odds, but I'd still rather put that kind  of money into equipment.  As others have noted I think it's more a matter of support for the cause than economy.

Wondering though, since they have nonprofit status, if you could somehow deduct your life membership dues?  


Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: JLEVERIN on April 22, 2009, 02:24:55 PM
 
  You raise a good point, if one is over a certain age it truly wouldn't be worth it. One collector's society that I belong to offers life membership but prorates it on a scale according to your age so the older ones don't end up paying as much as the younger people. Maybe the ARRL should look at something along those lines and they might get more life members. I've only got a few more years and it will no longer be beneficial either.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KE6WNH on August 01, 2009, 04:39:53 PM
Much of it boils down to what the ARRL or any other ham org has to offer you. I've never become an ARRL member, but I've bought the Handbook and a few of their other project books, and it's a comfort to know the options are available for those who want them. OTOH someone who may have just recently gotten their ticket and wants to learn more about ham radio, could benefit from joining... particularly if they live in a region where there aren't many resources for hams.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N3AWS on August 08, 2009, 11:35:02 PM
Consider this--the ARRL periodically raises the price of dues.  Since Life Membership is the cost of 20 years at the current rate, next year or the next, dues may jump up.  Over 20 years there might be lots of dues hikes!

73,  Jim N3AWS
From the Land of the Morning Calm


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N2EY on August 09, 2009, 04:57:03 AM
It All Depends

Sure, if everything stays the same, there comes an age when you'll never get back what the life membership cost. But when is that age? It's important to use the right number for life expectancy, and that number depends on a lot of factors. The CDC and insurance companies have a lot of data online but you have to sift through it.

The usually-quoted-by-the-media numbers are life expectancy for babies born in a certain year, and includes all income levels, ethnic groups, genders, risk factors, etc.

But when you get more specific, the numbers look very different. For a white male who is 65 now, future life expectancy is almost 20 years, not less than 10. Nonsmokers can add a couple of years, smokers deduct a couple, etc.

Then there's the fact that things don't stay the same. 20 years ago, ARRL membership was $25/year, now it's $39/year. That's a little more than 2% increase per year. Depending on your income situation, that may be more money *to you* or less.

And there's more! If you renew for multiple years, (I usually do 3 years) there's a discount. If you're over 65, there's another discount on top of that.

Of course the big thing is the psychology of spending money. A lot of people will balk at paying one big bill for something, but will not question paying a lot of little ones.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W3WN on August 10, 2009, 08:03:37 AM
I'll tell you what.

When I was 16 and a newly minted ham, I was all gung-ho to get a Life Membership.  My father, who didn't think I'd stick with it, point blank told me not to do it.  So I didn't, even though I could have snuck the money out of my bank account without his knowledge.

That was over 35 years ago.

Do the math.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W3WN on August 10, 2009, 08:03:55 AM
I'll tell you what.

When I was 16 and a newly minted ham, I was all gung-ho to get a Life Membership.  My father, who didn't think I'd stick with it, point blank told me not to do it.  So I didn't, even though I could have snuck the money out of my bank account without his knowledge.

That was over 35 years ago.

Do the math.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WB5JEO on August 11, 2009, 07:48:38 PM
Now if I'd known where to invest my life membership money back in the 70's, I could now buy all of us life memberships. But it's been worth it, if only not to have renewals keep coming up.

If you think about what most of us will spend on our radio toys over the years (or often in one year), the life membership fee is trivial. It's kind of like when people would complain about the $5 a year dues in the volunteer fire department. If that was a burden, you needed to quit the fire department and get a second job.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on September 05, 2009, 11:21:05 AM
Maybe I should not have been as broad 'brushed' as I were in my first post, but I still believe that the ARRL is too 'emergency communications' minded.  The REAL part of the ARRL bureaucracy that is emergency communications 'gung-ho' is my section manager and his staff.  Eastern Massachusetts--as a matter of fact, ALL sections--would be better served by a manager and staff that held ALL INTERESTS of amateur radio as equal, not one aspect of the whole thing.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K9FON on September 05, 2009, 07:57:59 PM
A ham pal of mine got his lifetime membership in 1960 when the membership was like $100.00 or so. Now its up over $1000.00. I dont have that kind of $$ to just toss away now.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: OLDFART13 on October 25, 2009, 12:29:49 AM
You guys are just some cheap a$$ SOBs.  The idea is to support the ARRL.  Now just quit yer complaining and count up all yer little pennies and ask the XYL to pitch in a little en allow you girlymen to support the ARRL and get yer Life Membership.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1XV on November 01, 2009, 02:23:13 PM
I am with OLDFART13.  You guys are all looking at this like an insurance actuary or beady eyed bean counting engineer doing your discounted cash flow analyses.  

What this is about is, do you stand with Amateur Radio, and do you stand with the League?  A Life Membership says yes to both questions.   And when you get old and suffer from dementia, or are too poor to find a pot to piss into, you will still be a League member.  Just do it.


Title: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W9TAM on November 18, 2009, 12:27:51 PM
I just turned 28 and am on my way to being a Life member.  Sure, $975 is a lot of money for anyone to shell out, but they offer a quarterly billing option to soften the blow.  7 payments of $122 and a final payment of $121 gets you Life membership.  If you don't complete all the payments, you revert to annual membership and are credited with years equivalent to the total amount you paid under the plan.  My first payment got me a membership card that says "Life Member Pledge" and a 3-1/2-year extension on my current membership, for now.

Everyone has their differences with the ARRL, but they continue to be "the voice of ham radio."  They've got our back, so I've got theirs.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K9RJ on November 27, 2009, 09:15:57 PM
For me it is because ham radio is my major hobby and you have to support the national organisation to help ham radio to continue. In considering the math part of the issue, I would pay more attention to how long your parents live than the average. My Dad is 90 and my Mom is a little younger. My chances of living to 90 are good so if I wasn't already a Life Member, I would still consider it a good deal up to age 65 - 70.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W5DQ on December 29, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
If you're 35 and younger, stop wasting time and do it before it goes up more.

If you're under 50 and in decent health, you should be able to 'recoup' the investment. If you family life expectancy is low, say death before age 65, maybe you should do the every 3 year renewal.

If you're 50 and over, health may be a major contributing factor. It is a fact that men usually die younger than women and that the average age of men today is upwards of 70+ so again it should be a good thing for both sexes. If you're in great health and family life expectancy is really up there, say over 70 or more, I'd say go for it.

I got my Life membership in my late 40's and feel it was money well spent. Wish I had done it back when I was first licensed in the mid-70's. Sure would have saved some money on the Life fees.

W5DQ


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W4YA on December 29, 2009, 08:12:01 PM
As usual, I am surprised at all of the comments that my original post has generated.

Two of the responses from K1XV and OldFart13 got what I was trying to say in a somewhat humorous way. The tip-off should have been my complaint that my membership expires in 2099!

Of course any ARRL membership is worth it.

73, W4YA
ARRL member since 1951


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: AA4PB on December 30, 2009, 10:47:25 AM
And you could have bought it with 1974 dollars!


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KH6DC on July 11, 2010, 06:33:20 AM
Yes it is, they're fighting to save our bands from being gobbled up when the FCC auctions spectrums to balance the federal budget that was used to bail out them greedy banks.  I just started my life membership several months ago on a pay every quarter and is on my 3rd payment.  It's worth every penny because I'm committed to amateur radio so my 4 year old son can talk on HF in the future when he gets his license.  QST has become 1 big Sears catalog and full of ads but that's how they bring in funds also besides our membership dues.  Don't know if they're non-profit though with the Inc after ARRL (ARRL, Inc.).  I'm in my 40s and even if I was 60 I still would sign up for life membership for my grandkids to have some frequency left.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KA5N on July 11, 2010, 02:18:18 PM
When Wayne Green (W2NSD) had the ad for lifetime subscription to 73 Magazine he added "your life
or ours." 
I think Wayne was a great editor.  When he was editor of CQ, the mag had great articles.  The same for
the early years of 73.  In the 1970's he crammed the mags full of articles some good some not so.
Of course there is the other side of Wayne (his editorials) that got to be pretty hard to take.  I didn't
take his offer because at that time I had no money to spare.
Now I am too old to get the savings value of a lifetime memebership to ARRL and I find that the articles are for the most part uninteresting.  The various departments are even less interesting.  So I go from
year to year renewing and wishing for the old days when I relished each copy of QST and reading and
rereading the articles.
Allen


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KD8DEY on July 13, 2010, 11:49:42 AM
If I became a lifetime member then I would miss all those free book offers to join. too bad they don't offer a better selection to choose from. I think they only offer a choice from 3 and I already have 2 of them (antenna handbook & vhf antenna book) with no interest in the 3rd book (no I am not a member)


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WY3X on July 18, 2010, 04:48:38 PM
I see lots of conjecture about how much it will cost, but nobody has said "I visited the ARRL website and this is how much it costs". Well, I just did, and it's $975.00. That's 25 years worth of dues, not 20, as someone else said. At current savings account interest rates (if you plopped $975.00 in a savings account and waited 25 years at 1.5% interest), you'd have about $1425.00. If interest rates were 5%, you'd have about $3400.00. This as compared with inflation and how much the price of QST is probably going to increase, if you expect to live 20 more years, it's "probably" not such a bad deal. I don't see interest rates rising as long as the Obamacrats are in office, but if We the People take power away from the Obamacrats as expected in November, I'm hopeful we'll see interest rates begin to rise based on consumer confidence. In the meantime, I'll consider it.
-WY3X


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KC9QFP on July 19, 2010, 06:50:48 PM
I'm convinced.  Just renewed for three years within the past 30 days or so.  Any chance they'll let me tack on $11 more which would put me on the quarterly payment schedule?  I've sent in the question to the customer service department and will find out for sure from them, just wondering what you all thought.

73s

John KC9QFP


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W5LZ on July 23, 2010, 06:57:37 PM
If you like the magazine, and you are young enough, it's probably worth it.  Other wise, no it isn't.
Paul


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WM9V on August 19, 2010, 03:23:33 PM
i just got one  those packets the nra sends with a promo check towards life membership
400 dollars towards a thousand dollar life membership
i wont be renewing my NRA membership anymore
especially after seeing the latest debacle in congress,
 where they got special dispensation in legislation designed to protect campaign donors
see the gun owners of america site for that info
ditto about the league ....their political clout is nill to limp
i still cant fly in to Illinois with a firearm to this day ...
after decades of lawsuits nationwide , the brady bunch in Illinois has just made all of US
criminals
now the governor appointed to fill BLaggos old job wants to ban all guns in Illinois
we did our part ...dues and letter writing and tables at the gun shows
when the state of Illinois and CHicago city council continue to defy the US SCOTUS,
it's time to give up


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W5JON on August 19, 2010, 05:57:40 PM
As I remember it, the XYL Cathy (W5HAM), puchased my Life Membership for $104.00 (4 quarterly payments of $26.00) in the early 1970's.  So it has been a really good deal for me. Your results may vary.

73,

John W5JON


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W7ETA on August 20, 2010, 08:56:39 PM
When I bought my Life Time membership, it was about supporting The League.  It wasn't about buying a life time subscription to QST.

For me, there isn't any way to calculate the Net Present Value of a Life Time Membership.

After I became a widower, I put the ARRL in my will--ZERO net present value to that!!!

73
Bob


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KJ4VTH on September 14, 2010, 07:36:58 PM
I think it's a pretty good deal.  Ask me again in 25 years.  :)


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W8DPC on October 11, 2010, 05:33:29 PM
Well, a lifetime membership equates to about 25 years at the current $39 rate. So I guess you have to factor in how long you think you're going to live (I'm 38, I hope I have another 25 years in me, but my father died in his mid 50's), and you have to factor rising membership costs. I think yearly costs have only gone up about $5 since I became licensed 10 years ago.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N7DM on October 14, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
Monetarily, *my* $150 Lifer, circa 1971, has been worth every cent.  QST has become a three minute read, and most of that is either out of my realm or PAST my realm. HI HI. ARRL?  Losing cause. If ZZ wasn't propping it up so he can retire soon, it'd be as gone as the whole wonderful hobby....................

Sadly

dm


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W5GNB on October 15, 2010, 06:46:45 PM
NO, it is NOT worth it.... Neither is the annual membership fee worth it...

The "League" has lost touch with the "Hobby" and is now trying to turn it into a bunch of CB'ers running Contests and playing World Savior on the weekends........

I have always wondered just what it is that makes someone with a radio in his fist a self proclaimed "Expert" in the Emcom world.

We have PAID professionals to do these jobs and they are PROPERLY trained.  The Hams need to get out of the way and quit trying to stroke thier ego's.

And that is MY opinion of the ARRL !!

73's
Gary - W5GNB



Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W4KVW on October 16, 2010, 10:01:08 PM
"NO"! ???

CLAYTON
W4KVW


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on October 18, 2010, 05:27:39 AM
NO, it is NOT worth it.... Neither is the annual membership fee worth it...

The "League" has lost touch with the "Hobby" and is now trying to turn it into a bunch of CB'ers running Contests and playing World Savior on the weekends........

I have always wondered just what it is that makes someone with a radio in his fist a self proclaimed "Expert" in the Emcom world.

We have PAID professionals to do these jobs and they are PROPERLY trained.  The Hams need to get out of the way and quit trying to stroke thier ego's.

And that is MY opinion of the ARRL !!

73's
Gary - W5GNB



I couldn't have put it any better!  Thanks!


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N4VNV on October 23, 2010, 09:05:43 AM
I'm sure glad I didn't!  The list of what's wrong is a lot longer than the list of what's right!


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: AD6KA on October 29, 2010, 09:42:31 PM
Oh gosh, the old "The ARRL is protecting our bands" argument.
Wake up, nobody wants our HF bands, not even the military.
Everything is done with Satcoms now. More reliable,
easier, cheaper. And the ARRL sure did a fine job
of protecting the 220 MHz band, a part of which we
lost to UPS.


Every issue of QST has at least one photo of ARRL
officials off on an all expenses paid junket (or two)
to an obscure "who cares" conference.

Like another poster said, the League protects
the League's interests, not my amateur radio interests.



Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KE4DRN on November 02, 2010, 07:52:46 PM
hi, 

put the cash in a ROTH account and draw on it every
year to  pay the subscription once you're retired.

73 james


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on November 03, 2010, 10:08:48 AM
Better yet, put the cash in a ROTH account and let it gather.  THEN, look at the ARRL every year, compare it to what YOU can do with the money you save, sit back and smile.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K0IC on November 08, 2010, 06:38:37 PM
I bought my life membership in 1976 which I payed on for two years.  It seemed like it was 150 dollars total back then.  I do not remember for sure.  I was 23 years old at the time.  I have no regrets in that purchase.  I might join their group to pay more every year for the cause as a lifer.  I have a percentage to the ARRL in my will.  I had one grandfather that lived to 97 years young.  My dad is 88 years young now.  I think so much of life memberships I just became a life member of the QCWA.  Someday I might become a life member of the NRA and BASS.  It is the thought that counts even if one does not reap maximum dollars.  I am sure inflation has to raise its ugly head and what we think is expensive in today's dollars is going to be a bargain in the future at some time.

The ARRL does things I do not 100% agree with.  The main thing is is to get younger and more other people to become licensed.  I do not know if people realize thefts from hams are seen as automatic felonies.  Not bad to have the federal government in looking out for you.  You might not be able to do that in other hobbies.

I do miss traffic handling which has mostly gone by the wayside except for emergency communications.  Most of the civilized world is wired up for communications so that is not as needed as it was in the past.  I tried to become an emergency communicator but did not get information on the way to do it from my instructor so I gave up on certification.  Since I am now on SSI due to insurance and mobility issues I really can not be expected to shell out money for the newest equipment on my dime.  For those who are a good fit for emergency work I say more power to them.  I could not get certified for storm weather work last February because of my restricted lung disease in giving me bad colds and coughs in training season.  Too bad it can not be done on the Internet.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N9RLO on November 08, 2010, 08:05:15 PM
It's not worth it to me. Besides, I can't afford it at this time in my life anyway. The ARRL has an agenda that they're going to pursue whether I or any other amateur likes it or not. I've been able to pay yearly, (I'm a member presently) but I'm not sure I'm going to renew. I'm 60 years old, work CW only on the HF bands, I like old tube rigs and have an interest in radio history. The ARRL has no interest in me or other hams like me. I use the computer for information from the internet and to email. I don't use it with radio communication nor do I have any urge to do so. I find most big contests annoying and the ops rude. QST mostly bores me, I don't care about the latest digital whiz bang or Ham politics. I do like John Dilks, K2TQN Vintage Radio and some of the antenna articles though. So why should I support an organization that doesn't really support me or others like me?   73,John


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on November 09, 2010, 08:51:22 AM
The ARRL most certainly has an agenda that they're going to pursue, and they will attract more younger people into the league--following that agenda.  Right now, almost all they think about is emergency communications, and that is the type people they're attracting.  In short, what they're doing is skewing ham radio to the direction of emergency communications only.

Is that really what the rest of the ham radio license holders would like to see?  I, for one, don't think so.  And THAT is the best reason to let the ARRL know that their course isn't approved by us--by not supporting them by continuing a membership OR by not buying into a life membership.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N2EY on November 10, 2010, 03:35:18 PM
I'm 60 years old, work CW only on the HF bands, I like old tube rigs and have an interest in radio history. The ARRL has no interest in me or other hams like me.

You sound a lot like me. I'm 56, my main rig is all-hollow-state, CW-only and homebrew. And if you want to talk ham radio history...

So I am curious as to why you say the ARRL has no interest in hams like us.

Several years back, maybe. But now we have a whole issue of QST devoted to vintage radio, plus K2TQN's column. There are articles about history and classic rigs scattered throughout the rest of the years' issues, too. The "Doctor Is In" questions often deal with hams trying to get a classic rig back on the air.

Some time back, they reprinted the first edition of the Handbook, and gave it away with every order for a new one. I missed my chance (sigh).

They also have every issue of QST from Vol 1 No 1 to about 4 years ago online for members. Of course you have to search by article, and it's not the same as having the real paper, but it's the same info. Often it's easier to find a particular article online even if you have the magazines!
 
I use the computer for information from the internet and to email. I don't use it with radio communication nor do I have any urge to do so. I find most big contests annoying and the ops rude. QST mostly bores me, I don't care about the latest digital whiz bang or Ham politics. I do like John Dilks, K2TQN Vintage Radio and some of the antenna articles though. So why should I support an organization that doesn't really support me or others like me? 

Serious question: What would you have ARRL do differently?

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One thing I'd like ARRL to do is to reprint some of the older books. Like the first edition of "Understanding Amateur Radio". I bet there are plenty of hams who would pay for such books in good condition. The production cost shouldn't be much, since IIRC they own all the copyrights and it's mostly a matter of scanning an old copy and getting it printed. They did it with the 1926 Handbook; a lot of other books are smaller and easier to do.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on November 11, 2010, 11:16:26 AM
"So I am curious as to why you say the ARRL has no interest in hams like us."

Maybe the word 'no' should be substituted with the word 'little'.  It is true that the ARRL does throw some crumbs to their members who don't consider emcomm the be all and do all of ham radio, but I would not consider any of what was said is "done" for members not interested in emcomm as the league actually doing much of anything in that regard.

The plain simple fact of the matter is that the league is interested in pushing emcomm to extremes to get and keep getting government interested in what ham radio does--AND to keep getting grant monies coming into the league coffers.  THAT is all the ARRL is interested in right now, and it's sad that the premier ham radio organization is sinking to such depths.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N2EY on November 12, 2010, 05:38:29 PM
"So I am curious as to why you say the ARRL has no interest in hams like us."

Maybe the word 'no' should be substituted with the word 'little'.  It is true that the ARRL does throw some crumbs to their members who don't consider emcomm the be all and do all of ham radio, but I would not consider any of what was said is "done" for members not interested in emcomm as the league actually doing much of anything in that regard.

The plain simple fact of the matter is that the league is interested in pushing emcomm to extremes to get and keep getting government interested in what ham radio does--AND to keep getting grant monies coming into the league coffers.  THAT is all the ARRL is interested in right now, and it's sad that the premier ham radio organization is sinking to such depths.

I think your perception is rather distorted.

Let's take a look at this month's QST. Leaving out ads, tables of contents and League officers, small fillers etc, we have:

Front cover: Something called WSPR, "Weak Signal Propagation Reporter".

Page 9: Editorial about the history of WRTC (World Radio Team Championship), an HF contest.

Pages 12 & 13: News. Couple of small blurbs that are emcomm related. Picture of AWA convention folks promoting amateur radio in schools, and teaching a ham radio class.

Page 20: "Up Front" - various small articles - suitcase antenna mast, sunspots, interesting picture, and an article about a pumpkin patrol.

Page 24: Correspondence. Nothing about emcomm

Pages 30-32: Cover article about WSPR.

Pages 33-35: Portable vertical antenna made from tape measures. Sort of a manual SteppIr at a tiny fraction of the price. Might have emcomm applications if you do emcomm on 20 trhough 10.

Pages 36-39: Infrared remote control for your HF transceiver - adapter for the FT-817. Amazingly simple - couple of small parts, a PIC, and an infrared detector.

Page 40: Antenna Gain Specs - What Do They Really Mean? - Article on antenna pattern interpretation.

Pages 41-42: An Improved Center Insulator For Antennas Fed With Window Line - old idea brought up to date.

Pages 43-44: An Expanded Scale Voltmeter for 120 or 240 V AC - With A Bonus - Know your line voltage so the tubes in your amp aren't running with low or high filament voltage.

Pages 45-46: Revisitng a 10 and 6 meter Mobile Antenna - homebrew dual band whip for 10 and 6

Page 46: ARRL Homebrew Challenge III - Contest for designers to come up with a low cost homebrew SSB/CW rig for 10 and/or 6 meters.

Pages 47-54 and some others: Product Reviews/New Products:
Icom IC-R6 portable receiver, Hamtronics R303-137 Weather Satellite Receiver Board, Wouxun KG-UV2D and KG-UVD1P Dual Band Handheld Transceivers, APRS Live add-on software, Lightning Protection products from Times Microwave, MFJ matching unit for 160/80 verticals, Bird wattmeter upgrade, Radio Operations Center software, Solid state 9 cm amplifier, Alexloop magnetic loop antenna,

Pages 55-57: Technical Correspondence - Automatic lowpass filter bypass switch.

Pages 58-59: Doctor Is In Q&A. No emcomm

Page 60: Short Takes: S9V vertical antennas

Pages 61-62: Noise figure article

Pages 63-64: Hands-On Radio: Experiment 94 (SWR and line loss)

Pages 65-66: Hints and Kinks

Pages 67-68: Ham Friendship Transcends Time and Space - DX friends meet

Pages 69-71: Article about EME from Kyrgyzstan

Pages 72-73: Alt-Rock Meets Ham Radio - Rock band from Canada

Page 74: FMT announcement

Page 75: Use Beacons to Spot Band Openings

Page 76: W2SKE Award Announcement

Pages 77-80: Happenings of the month

Pages 81-83: Public Service/Emergency Communications (Finally! Three whole pages!)

Page 84: Eclectic Technology - SDR

Pages 85-87: Contest announcements

Pages 88-89: How's DX

Pages 90-92: World Above 50 MHz

Pages 93-94: Vintage Radio

Pages 95-101: At The Foundation, Convention, Hamfest, Special events, 25, 50 & 75 years ago in QST, PSHR, Strays, Silent Keys, Hamspeak

Seems to be a lot of non-emcomm stuff in there.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on November 13, 2010, 12:00:41 PM
I'm not talking of what is published in their 'membership journal' but of what the ARRL is actually doing these days.  95 percent of it is emcomm.  In the section where I am, that figure goes to 100 percent.  In other words, if it isn't emcomm related, they could care less about what a member would want or need.  Time and again in years past, my requests for information or help went unanswered at section level.  To get any kind of response, I had to go to the national level by contacting Newington directly, and then I almost always was asked why I didn't go through my section.  That gets rather tiring.

However, if you notice, I did say that the word 'no' should be substituted with the word 'little', because that is what the league does do for members not involved in emcomm--little.  I consider the magazine QST to be a panacea to the membership at large to try to show they are interested in the rest of ham radio.  What they are interested in is their membership rolls and keeping the money coming in.  What is obvious if you look closely is what they're doing to get and stay in favor with the FCC and the government, while keeping the federal and other grant money rolling into their coffers.  I'll stand by my last statement too--It's sad that the premier ham radio organization is sinking to such depths.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N2EY on November 13, 2010, 02:09:04 PM
I'm not talking of what is published in their 'membership journal' but of what the ARRL is actually doing these days. 

QST and other publications are a lot of what ARRL does. You may discount those efforts, but they are a big part of ARRL nonetheless.

95 percent of it is emcomm.  In the section where I am, that figure goes to 100 percent.  In other words, if it isn't emcomm related, they could care less about what a member would want or need.  Time and again in years past, my requests for information or help went unanswered at section level.  To get any kind of response, I had to go to the national level by contacting Newington directly, and then I almost always was asked why I didn't go through my section.  That gets rather tiring.

What is it, exactly, that you wanted from them that wasn't provided?

However, if you notice, I did say that the word 'no' should be substituted with the word 'little', because that is what the league does do for members not involved in emcomm--little. 

What, exactly, do you want ARRL to do that they are not doing?

Let's see....

They could do Consumer Reports type testing of new ham gear, complete with lab results.

Oh, wait, they do that.

They could organize contests and on-air activities from 160 through UHF, for hams of many interests.

Oh wait, they do that too.

They could have a long list of awards for various operating achievements and skills...oops, they do that as well.

How about a wide selection of amateur-radio-specific books and publications at low cost? Or a station that transmits bulletins, code practice, and other info? wait...

I consider the magazine QST to be a panacea to the membership at large to try to show they are interested in the rest of ham radio.

Is it not a good magazine? What changes would you make in it? How about the other publications?

Those things don't write themselves, and a lot goes into producing them.

What they are interested in is their membership rolls and keeping the money coming in. 

If there's no membership and no money, they won't be able to do anything. Do you think an organization like ARRL could exist and do what it does solely with unpaid volunteer staff?

  What is obvious if you look closely is what they're doing to get and stay in favor with the FCC and the government, while keeping the federal and other grant money rolling into their coffers.  I'll stand by my last statement too--It's sad that the premier ham radio organization is sinking to such depths.

I see them challenging FCC in several areas. There was even a lawsuit against FCC over BPL - which ARRL *won*! That's hardly a way to get and stay in favor with FCC!

What grant money rolls into ARRL? Seems to me that the agencies which get the grant money are local emcomm folks, not ARRL Hq. Can you name some specifics?

And I'll ask again: What would you have them do differently?


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I understand that some hams don't like to see *any* mention of public-service comms, let alone emcomm, in association with amateur radio. What I don't understand is why anyone would object to it.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on November 14, 2010, 06:38:18 AM
Jim, you do bring up some points that bear thought, but it is plain that you and I have a vast difference of opinion on what is done by the ARRL and what is not.  I will say this much--I did get in touch with people in Newington that, once I explained what I was after and the difficulty that I was having in getting it through the section people I was trying to deal with, were very helpful and sympathetic.  But the point remains that there are many of us who believe that all the ARRL is mainly concerned with is the emergency communications on ham bands.

Lets just say that we agree to disagree, and leave it at that.  Then again, I'm planning a move, and when I get into a different ARRL section, I may have a change of opinion.  Right now, however, I am sticking by what I said.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N2EY on November 16, 2010, 06:17:40 PM
To K1CJS:

I think I see how we come to such different opinions and conclusions about ARRL.

From what I read in your posts, your viewpoint of ARRL is at the local level, in your particular section. And what you see is an extreme focus on emcomm, and not much else - including stuff you're interested in. (What that is I don't know).

Main point is that your main consideration is your local ARRL field organization, and what it does/doesn't do for you.

OTOH, my viewpoint is at the national level, looking at what the HQ staff do - publications, legal, product reviews, VEC, operating activities,  etc. And I see a wide variety of services and products, some of which I find of interest and some of which I don't.

Neither viewpoint is necessarily "right" or "wrong". They're just different.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on November 17, 2010, 03:54:49 AM
Jim,

On that, I would agree.  As I said, I'm planning a move--and I probably will come to a different opinion of the whole thing when I get out of this area.  But for right now, Eastern Mass. is an ARRL section that is emcomm all the way--and anything else just does not exist.

73!  Chris, K1CJS


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WD4CHP on November 22, 2010, 05:05:27 AM
When I was still working and could afford it, I got life memberships in all the organizations I belonged to that offered it.

Now that I am retired and on a limited income, I am glad I do not have to worry about where I can scrape up the yearly dues.

Plan ahead for your retirement.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KA1YBS on February 28, 2011, 12:12:06 PM
I just signed up today. I'm 37, I've been a ham for almost 20 years. My Elmer told me to do it back in 1990 but I didn't have the funds (probably only $250 back then) of course.

All this useless banter of ARRL members on Junkets, EMCOMM, and the other stuff I can ignore.

Look at government waste by state employees. Some only put 6% per year into pensions, which are subsidized by taxpayers, the same ones squirreling their own earnings over taxes and expenses into unprotected and often non-matched 401K's or IRA's. How about Health Care... go on strike because the taxpayers ask you to pay a paltry 12% for a Cadillac plan? go back to work!

So, no, I can't complain about the ARRL. I too, get to go on a 'junket' now and then with my employer, and always it meets my professional and social expectations.

I do believe QST has a lot of ads, but it supports ARRL like I do, and I always find interesting and engaging articles every month, plus it's great outhouse material where even an iPad is questionable, lol.

To each his/her own. I believe in the organization itself, with it's rich history and broad support for the brotherhood of radio amateurs is enough. Even if only 50% of the annual revenue goes to our radio causes, it's a great deal more money than we can put up as individuals.

Are you paying attorney fees to fight BPL?
Did you help draft and pass PRB-1?
Did you alone have any clout to even try and protect what was saved in the loss of 220Mhz spectrum?
Do you think that you and your friends alone can stop the entire 70cm band from disappearing? (truth, we'll lose half)
Do you annually provide scholarship money to kids and teens around the country for college?
Do you organize groups that help license new amateurs daily?
Do you provide financial support to schools and colleges for worthwhile projects?

If you answered YES to ALL of the above, you are an ARRL member.

73 de KA1YBS




Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K5MF on March 03, 2011, 06:47:16 PM
I am not a life member, but I intend to be.  If you are relatively young, what could it possibly hurt? I am 57 so will probably not ever see the payback, but that is OK.  There are a lot of things like SS that I don't ever expect to see a payback on either.  In fact, I would be completely willing to give up any claim to SS if we could stop the madness today and just phase out the entire system.  But I digress.

I too am confused about what some of the posters are looking for.  From my vantage point there is a little bit of everything out there.  In fact, there is so much that I am frequently torn about where I want to direct my next discretionary dollar.  Just having access to the archives is worth the dues to me.  I get a rush going back and reading the articles around the war years.  Just the other day I read the letter that "The Man" wrote to the Secretary of the Navy offering the services of the league at the outbreak of war.  Just the historical context of radio and the entire world in the archives is fascinating to me.

I happen to be a math and science teacher and was fortunate enough to attend the Teacher's Institute on Wireless technology.  I don't know the true cost of that but I know it was right around $1000 to get me there and home.  I left with probably another $1000 worth of kits for my classroom.  So I have already gotten my monies worth.  The cool thing is that not a dime of this money came out of general revenues. These schools are all funded by donors -- good hearted people who just want to see ham radio survive and thrive.  My students and I are very grateful for the support given to us by the league and its supporters.

So let's all get off of our high horses and quit asking, "What is in it for me?"  The fact is you will get out of it what you want to get out of it.  More importantly, you will get out of it what you put into it.  Consider it a form of volunteer work to help my students and others and to help the next young kid get a foothold into ham radio.  You may not agree with some of the things the league does and that is OK.  But the fact of the matter is that we as a hobby probably wouldn't exist if the league didn't exist.

Come on lighten up and don't be so serious.  I find it sad that we live in a world in which so many view every action is terms of the payback.  The way to get ahead is to give more than you expect in return -- I know your momma told you that.  Don't worry about whether or not you are going to beat the odds and get one over on the league.  If you do, great!  If you don't, so what?  You have just helped out someone else down the road and in the process you will be appreciated.  I just let a life insurance policy lapse that I paid on for 20 years.  Oh well!  I lose!  Or did I?  I just paid $3.00 for a gallon of gas and complained about it, but I think nothing of paying $4.00 for a gallon of milk or $6.00 for a Big Mac, Fries, and a Coke.

It is worth it.  Please support the league and all that it does.

73

Tom
AE5QB


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on March 04, 2011, 10:04:45 PM
Tom,

I can certainly see your point, and I do agree that you've gotten your moneys worth--as most ARRL supporters say they also do.  I don't argue that the ARRL doesn't do a lot for ham radio.  What I DO say is that there are needs and wants that some ARRL sections and/or their management just does not take care of, not at all. 

When you take the time and the patience to contact your section management or his staff about something, and all they do is either acknowledge your query and say they'll get back to you--and never do, or they just ignore you entirely, then there is a definite problem.  I have, more than once, been forced to contact Newington for questions and information that the section should have supplied--but didn't.  I've been asked whether I had contacted the section management--and I've had to tell them that those people were unresponsive to the point of ignoring ARRL members in their section.

Face it.  When you belong to an organization and are forced to jump through hoops because you can't get a decent answer from local representatives, why bother being a member at all?  THAT is my complaint--my ONLY complaint--and has been from the start of my holding a ham license and joining the ARRL.  I haven't been an ARRL member for the past two years now, and I really don't miss it either.

 


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K5MF on March 05, 2011, 11:22:48 AM
When you take the time and the patience to contact your section management or his staff about something, and all they do is either acknowledge your query and say they'll get back to you--and never do, or they just ignore you entirely, then there is a definite problem.  I have, more than once, been forced to contact Newington for questions and information that the section should have supplied--but didn't.  I've been asked whether I had contacted the section management--and I've had to tell them that those people were unresponsive to the point of ignoring ARRL members in their section.

Face it.  When you belong to an organization and are forced to jump through hoops because you can't get a decent answer from local representatives, why bother being a member at all?  THAT is my complaint--my ONLY complaint--and has been from the start of my holding a ham license and joining the ARRL.  I haven't been an ARRL member for the past two years now, and I really don't miss it either.

Hey Chris, don't take this wrong, I do understand your frustration.  Noting is more frustrating than no response.  As a matter of courtesy, you do deserve a response even if it is no. But lets face it, there are incompetent, lazy, ideological, busy people in every organization.  I don't know all of the details of your situation, but I would advise you to just be persistent.  Contact them again, and again, and again, until they either tell you to go away because your issue is not a priority in the big scheme of things or they give you an adequate response.  Don't feel that they owe you something.  If the issue is really that important to you, then take it by the horns and fight for it.

Borrowing some words from John F. Kenedy, "Ask not what your organization can do for you.  Ask what you can do for your organization."  It sounds like the situation you are in is a good opportunity to get involved and make some positive changes.  That section manager is only the section manager because he/she garners enough votes to stay in that position.  Apparently there are enough hams that approve of the priorities this section manager is setting...or at least are not unhappy enough to make a change. Or are at least involved enough to get enough votes for the guy/gal. More than likely it is because few people care enough to take the time to make a change.  We see the same thing with local, state, and federal government, although I will say that I am encouraged to see so many people in the silent majority standing up to be heard.

So don't run away from the fire, run into it.  Find a way to make the organization better.

I am not a big emcomm person myself, and personally I don't see that the value of ham emcomm is all that great.  But apparently some do and it at least provides a reasonable rationalization for our existence as we fight to keep our band share.  So if that is what it takes, I am OK with it.  I just kind of accept it as the way it is and go on about my business looking for what the league has to offer that does interest me.  Heck, if nothing else, they run a pretty good buro so that in itself should be worth supporting.  Yes hams can use it without being members, but someone has to pay for it.  And it isn't like they are asking for an arm and a leg.  Just $40 a year.  Heck, I spend more than that when we eat out or go to a movie.  Even if you get absolutely nothing out of it, which I doubt would happen, support the league simply to support ham radio and to give us a united voice in legislative matters.  If you look at it as expecting nothing in return, then you will surely come out ahead.

When we look for organizations to cater to our needs, we are sure to be disappointed.  If we look to them as a vehicle through which our hard work and involvement can effect some of the changes we would like to see, then we will begin to understand how organizations work.  Being a player at least allows you to influence the agenda.  Being out of the game provides no opportunity to change anything.

Good luck to you!  I hope you can find a club to which you can feel a belonging and can find a way to support the league and amateur radio as a whole in spite of the issues you are facing.

73!
AE5QB
Tom


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on March 05, 2011, 04:11:42 PM
Tom, I WAS involved--on the staff of a past section manager no less.  Making a long story short, politics reared its ugly head one too many times.  I was told that I was not wanted around because of the support I showed the old section manager.  Now, tell me, how do you get involved when section management doesn't want you involved?

Politics is one thing that shouldn't affect things in section management, but most of us know that it does, whether it should or not.

 


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K5MF on March 05, 2011, 07:53:39 PM
Chris, politics is a part of every organization it happens and won't go away.  Even if you decide to become a part of the system.  Obviously, your ideas are contrary to those of the current regime so they are not supportive of you...sound familiar?  That pretty much describes what is going on at the national level today.  The answer is not an easy one.  They will not accept you with open arms.  You will need to take charge and organize with those with similar mindset.  If your ideas are sound, find someone who wants to run for office and hit the pavement and convince those in your area that a change is needed.  I know that is easier said than done, but that is exactly why I ran and became a member of my HOA.  I know the very thought turns people off, but I can do more good inside than out. I am working hard to change things, but change comes slowly. Don't give up. Good luck to you!  In the meantime, please find it in your heart to support the ARRL as a whole.  It really is a good organization.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KM3W on September 28, 2011, 05:04:52 AM
I have been a ham since 1982, 29 years. I am now 59. About a year ago, I became a life member. Why? Well, number one, because I believe in Amateur Radio. Two, I have always wanted to do it...even when I first started out. I have been fairly active since I got my license, owning and building several repeaters over the years. My wife also is a ham, as is my oldest son. The two younger kids have even expressed interest when they saw my plaque. while I don't agree with the league, on everything, I DO believe they have our best interests at heart, and lets face it, we are sitting on very valuable frequency space. Space I'm sure the powers that be would love to sell off to the highest bidder, ala UPS and 220. Without the league, we would be in much worse trouble. To me, it wasn't an issue of economics...it was pride in our public service, and the organization that enables us to do it.


Paul Dallard, jr
KM3W


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KL0S on September 28, 2011, 06:41:24 AM
BTW, if your better half is a ham you can purchase a life membership for them as well at a very reduced rate....no second issue of QST but I thought it was worth it to support the League.  Think it was just over $200 a couple of years ago when I found out about the program.  Been a life member since the early 1980's so I'm pretty sure I've gotten my $$ worth.

Dino KL0S


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W7HBP on July 05, 2015, 06:51:10 PM
For those who may have considered an ARRL Life Membership, and wonder if it's worth it, this was my experience:

Sometime in the 60's, a year after ARRL started Life Membership, our Division Director was bugging me at a hamfest to get a life membership. I told him I wasn't a millionaire and couldn't afford to shell out 20 years' dues. At the time membership was $6, so Life Membership would be a whopping $120!! No way I would do that!

He prevailed, and I finally signed the paper just to get him off my back.

Now, 40+ years later, I can brag about the great investment that I made.

However, I have noticed that my QST subscription will expire in 2099. I knew there was a trick to it!!!!

73,
Jim W4YA

Wow, killer deal. Especially if you were much younger. I did it, but at a cost of $995. Its a good deal if you are young and/or you like supporting ARRL. Without the ARRL, I bet we would have a lot less of the bands we have now.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 10, 2015, 11:33:12 AM
Hmmm a reply to a 7 year old post  ??? ???

Anyway if 20 years is what it takes for payback then your probably still on the losing side.
In even 5-10 years time I doubt their will be any print publications left in the USA. So unless the ARRL plans to buy their own printing press you are SOL on a print edition later down the road.  Secondly the question of will Ham Radio even exist in 20 years is an unknown and if it does, will the ARRL be the leading Ham Radio organization?  They are so  far behind the times right now, that it's hard to imagine them being the leaders in Ham Radio info years from now. Without they lose money and without money there ability to influence legislation dies.

I come to eHam, QRZ , DXWorld and Clublog about 100 times more than I go to the ARRL website.  I read 10 times more ham related articles on the web than what I read in QST or CQ.

If the ARRL was heading with technology your investment would be worth it, but the ARRL is clinging to what they have always been doing and that is now becoming a dead end for them.

73s
Rob


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WA2ISE on September 22, 2015, 10:04:34 AM
I know someone who's life membership just expired.  He's a silent key now.   :(


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: NV7SY on September 22, 2015, 07:47:01 PM
I got my first "tickets" on the same day in July 1956 (both the Novice and Technician) and was granted the call signs KN4KAI and K4KAI, respectively. In the mid 60's, I was a Chief Radioman in the Navy and stationed in Japan with the call sign KA2AI.  I opted for life membership then (forgot the $$$ I paid, but think it was around $120.  That  gives me about 50 years of continuous ARRL membership, costing about $2.40 for each year...and at 75 years "young", I may have another 25 years to keep enjoying my investment :-)

Looking back, here it is 2015, have been continuously licensed for more than 59 years, and still love the hobby. I kind of regret swapping my K4KAI call for my present call sign, NV7SY this past year.....but it now reflects my initials and the state where I have chosen to retire. 

Living on my military retirement and social security, I think I would have second thoughts if I had waited until now, but purely for economical reasons.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KB4QAA on September 26, 2015, 01:30:16 PM
I know someone who's life membership just expired.  He's a silent key now.   :(
Do Buddhist hams get a renewal notice when they are reincarnated?


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WB2PKR on September 29, 2015, 03:50:56 AM
Last time (2012?) I looked, their payroll expenses were about $9M on revenue of $14M. The top five execs total compensation was about $900K. The balance of the other payroll expenses are for staff.

None of the directors get paid. Only CEO @ $185k, CDO@ $157k, CFO @ $144K, COO @ $142K, CTO@ $140K.

All "non profits" must disclose their  tax returns. You can view them at guidestar.org.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: AC7CW on September 29, 2015, 11:28:16 AM
Last time (2012?) I looked, their payroll expenses were about $9M on revenue of $14M. The top five execs total compensation was about $900K. The balance of the other payroll expenses are for staff.

None of the directors get paid. Only CEO @ $185k, CDO@ $157k, CFO @ $144K, COO @ $142K, CTO@ $140K.

All "non profits" must disclose their  tax returns. You can view them at guidestar.org.

I don't know if those figures are so offputting. They deal with government and legal issues, likely they would get paid similarly in the private for-profit sector. They probably are instrumental in getting the current bill passed but possibly that could be done with a change.org petition.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KD8TUT on September 29, 2015, 12:29:30 PM
Last time (2012?) I looked, their payroll expenses were about $9M on revenue of $14M. The top five execs total compensation was about $900K. The balance of the other payroll expenses are for staff.

None of the directors get paid. Only CEO @ $185k, CDO@ $157k, CFO @ $144K, COO @ $142K, CTO@ $140K.

All "non profits" must disclose their  tax returns. You can view them at guidestar.org.

I don't know if those figures are so offputting. They deal with government and legal issues, likely they would get paid similarly in the private for-profit sector. They probably are instrumental in getting the current bill passed but possibly that could be done with a change.org petition.

A mid sized company with roughly 6% of gross to key employee salaries. I can live with that.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K6BRN on December 07, 2015, 07:18:14 AM
After renewing for three years, for minimal savings (about $6), right at ARRLHQ in Newington, I realized that I would no longer have the opportunity to receive a "free" publication each year with my renewal.  Silly me.  After discussing it with a very sour young lady over the phone, she grudgingly agreed to send me the compact ARRL repeater handbook "this year only as, a courtesy" and proceeded to lecture me on ARRL expenses.  This attitude is very unusual at ARRL - they are normally very friendly.  After that, I promised myself never to renew again for more than a year, and to take every advantage of their incentive offeres to do so.  Lifetime membership seems to have no benefits other than a wall plaque and bragging rights.  The financial advantage, as someone pointed out, is about zero if NPV is calculated using the index of inflation.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: NJ0RD on January 05, 2016, 02:31:56 PM
Even ignoring the free books and other renewal bonuses, a lifetime membership is pretty much never worth it as a financial decision, since you'll do better putting that same money in a DOW fund and renewing every year or 3.  That doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it, to demonstrate your support for the hobby and what you feel that the ARRL does for it, or for the convenience if the money doesn't matter to you, but it isn't a "bargain" by any means.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K4FMH on January 09, 2016, 06:04:36 AM
I can assure you that a change.org petition would NOT have gotten the Senate bill submitted. I was directly involved in that effort. The ARRL was instrumentally critical in follow-up lobbying to get this co-sponsored and to get it out of committee to the senate floor. Change.org would, IMHO, had the OPPOSITE effect.

73,

Frank
K4FMH

Last time (2012?) I looked, their payroll expenses were about $9M on revenue of $14M. The top five execs total compensation was about $900K. The balance of the other payroll expenses are for staff.

None of the directors get paid. Only CEO @ $185k, CDO@ $157k, CFO @ $144K, COO @ $142K, CTO@ $140K.

All "non profits" must disclose their  tax returns. You can view them at guidestar.org.

I don't know if those figures are so offputting. They deal with government and legal issues, likely they would get paid similarly in the private for-profit sector. They probably are instrumental in getting the current bill passed but possibly that could be done with a change.org petition.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: NJ2E on January 12, 2016, 01:57:24 PM
The ARRL staff was visiting a local hamfest and I stopped and mentioned I was flattered that they
thought I would make it to 2099. They said that was just a date they picked and no meaning.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K7EXJ on February 07, 2016, 11:55:22 AM
I opted for the life membership of ARRL when I was in my early 30s. Not sure exactly when but I've never considered it a poor investment. Even when I was not especially active in ham radio I found QST interesting. My XYL would have preferred that I keep them somewhere safe.... away from the house. Preferably in another state. :P


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: AA7LX on February 17, 2016, 01:40:29 PM
I agree with many of the posted comments here. If, you are in your teens, 20's -or- 30's...  Life membership is a great deal. It's very true without the ARRL, Ham Radio in this Country with be now-very different if not right now, nonexistent. Certainly, with the input of the U.S. Commerce Department and the U.S. Navy in the 1920's and the 1930's and without the ARRL presence in Washington D.C. Amateur Radio would probably have been controlled by the U.S. Military and be at best restricted to the very few. That is why I am a member of the ARRL. I couldn't afford Life membership in my teens; in my 20's; and even in my 30's; even in my 40's. However, I looked at the life membership options before the membership rates increased on January 1st, 2016; because previously I had "upped" my membership by 2-year/3-year amounts within a years time. When talking with the ARRL Staff, I learned that one could "prorate" your present/current subscription length and apply that towards life membership. Very temping! However, since I'm in my sixties now, having a 10+ year or longer subscription, seems good for now. '73, George, AA7LX


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W8LV on February 15, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
How much is it for a Life Membership?

I guess that there's a few different ways of looking at it:

I'm  56.

If I DO get a Life Membership, and drop over next year,
will the last thing I'll think about really be: "D***n, here I am going Unconscious,
and I'm going to be out of that money that I shelled out to the ARRL?"

When I get to St. Peter's Gate, well I sure DO hope that I'm good in his Call Book.

It would be bad if when they looked you up in the Book of Life, and on that page it reads:
"This Space Intentionally Left Blank."

OR:

If I pull next months QST out of the mailbox in it's usual mangled condition (Thanks to the US Post Office)
And I see MY callsign listed in the Silent Key Section...

Does that mean I'm actually dead, or just in a Parallel Universe, a True Dead Carrier: Permanently Grounded six feet under in actuality?

At least I won't have to worry about lightning anymore.
Even if they bury me in Florida... That's one Good Thing.

Nah... I'll bet in Florida being buried six feet under in a metal box, inside a bigger Concrete Box,
you'll still get hit...

But you won't worry about it.

If I go The "Other" way, No Doubt that guy with the Bifurcated Tail will place me in an HOA for all Eternity.

OR:

If I get a Life Membership, then certainly I'll Live Forever...

But if not?

Thank God they don't let the US Post Office do any embalming work.

73 and All the Best!

DE Bill W8LV



Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KOP on February 15, 2017, 08:00:26 PM
No


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: K1CJS on February 17, 2017, 10:31:04 AM
Just thought to add this.  The national ARRL has always been right there, but the state sections haven't.  I was a volunteer in a state section and was thanked for my services--until another person took over the state section and I was blackballed.  Won't even get a reply to an e-mail from my state division now.

Sad to say, but politics--even though the ARRL claims it doesn't--plays a BIG part of the organization.  So, for my say in this discussion, I have to say no, life membership isn't worth it.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: ONAIR on February 20, 2017, 10:22:32 AM
An ARRL life membership in the US is only $1225 now!  Just think of it as another new rig on the desk!!   ::)


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W9ZIM on April 18, 2017, 08:57:39 AM
Is an ARRL Life Membership worth it?  I suppose that depends on whether or not you look at it as a bulk discount or an investment in the organization.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KOP on April 18, 2017, 11:22:07 AM
    Alright, I'll elaborate . Not for a dime, a dollar, a handshake or a promise will I support the A.R.R.L. in any fashion other than volunteering for exams. A new amateur can make up their own mind about what the league once was and now is . 
    If it was simply a fossilization of principals or ideals I might possibly concede. However it is it is far worse. Brain dead politic, questionable alliances, and alignment with special interest that has no other purpose than padding the league coffers .
     Its not your grandfather's A.R.R.L. nor your father's and will never be your's .
     Other than that its a wonderful organization dedicated to the , um , ahh, yeah , that ...

~kop


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N8AUC on April 19, 2017, 10:35:08 AM
Just thought to add this.  The national ARRL has always been right there, but the state sections haven't.  I was a volunteer in a state section and was thanked for my services--until another person took over the state section and I was blackballed.  Won't even get a reply to an e-mail from my state division now.

Sad to say, but politics--even though the ARRL claims it doesn't--plays a BIG part of the organization.  So, for my say in this discussion, I have to say no, life membership isn't worth it.

I totally agree with the above statement.
ARRL at the national level is pretty decent. But someone's individual experience can vary widely on a section by section basis.
I know that in Ohio, our section leadership right now is really good, and it has been for quite a long time now. Our division
guys are really good too, and have been for quite a while as well.

But I can remember years ago, when our division director was a total knob. He was so bad, that I wanted nothing to so with ARRL back then.

Now is life membership worth it? That depends.

If you look at it as a bulk discount, and you plan to be a member for more than 20 years, then yes it is. Otherwise, maybe not.
If you look at it as an investment in the organization, it probably is at the national level.
But if your division and section leadership has issues, you might not see it that way.

It's definitely a "your mileage may vary" type of thing.




Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WB5UAA on May 03, 2017, 12:27:07 PM
When are they going to quit mailing out dead trees and go fully digital with QST, which can be downloaded from their web site straight into your phone with their ARRL app?

Just think of what would happen to their coffer if they could do away with printing/mailing costs.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: G3RZP on May 05, 2017, 04:25:01 PM
I am an ARRL member. Incidentally, I don't get any vote about Directors - 'Taxation without representation?'

But I am a member because of what they do for amateur radio. Far more than any other national society, they support IARU and send people to ITU Study Groups and Working Parties as part of the US delegation. Now that is important - there are countries whose delegates do not believe in amateur radio, calling it a 'Rich white man's hobby'. The African delegate who said that to me was seen negotiating with a 'professional lady' in the red light area of Geneva - which you must pass through as you walk down to the pub "The Grand Duke". Plus his technical knowledge was, at best, negligible - one can understand his only reason for coming to Geneva - and it isn't Duty Free in the airport which is probably the most expensive in the world ....Regrettably, there are a number of developing countries whose delegates to ITU Study Groups have little or no engineering knowledge, but are there because of their countries' politics. There are also people from Administrations in developed Western European countries at these meetings who have minimal technical knowledge, but sufficient seniority for a 'jolly', too! Lack of technical knowledge is not entirely confined to the developing world -  at World Radio Conferences, the Head of the US Delegation is usually someone from the State Department of Ambassador Rank, not an engineer from NTIA...

But without IARU and ARRL, (the two are inextricably intertwined)  amateur radio internationally would be far worse off. With today's returns on investment, fewer and fewer societies are offering life memberships. RSGB stopped back in the 1990s because we could see us losing money on them overall.....and ARRL probably should do the same.

Yes, I have seen all this, having spent 17 years going to ITU for IARU and as a consultant on Amateur Radio to the UK Administration...


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N8AUC on May 06, 2017, 07:39:31 PM
I am an ARRL member. Incidentally, I don't get any vote about Directors - 'Taxation without representation?'

But I am a member because of what they do for amateur radio. Far more than any other national society, they support IARU and send people to ITU Study Groups and Working Parties as part of the US delegation. Now that is important - there are countries whose delegates do not believe in amateur radio, calling it a 'Rich white man's hobby'. The African delegate who said that to me was seen negotiating with a 'professional lady' in the red light area of Geneva - which you must pass through as you walk down to the pub "The Grand Duke". Plus his technical knowledge was, at best, negligible - one can understand his only reason for coming to Geneva - and it isn't Duty Free in the airport which is probably the most expensive in the world ....Regrettably, there are a number of developing countries whose delegates to ITU Study Groups have little or no engineering knowledge, but are there because of their countries' politics. There are also people from Administrations in developed Western European countries at these meetings who have minimal technical knowledge, but sufficient seniority for a 'jolly', too! Lack of technical knowledge is not entirely confined to the developing world -  at World Radio Conferences, the Head of the US Delegation is usually someone from the State Department of Ambassador Rank, not an engineer from NTIA...

But without IARU and ARRL, (the two are inextricably intertwined)  amateur radio internationally would be far worse off. With today's returns on investment, fewer and fewer societies are offering life memberships. RSGB stopped back in the 1990s because we could see us losing money on them overall.....and ARRL probably should do the same.

Yes, I have seen all this, having spent 17 years going to ITU for IARU and as a consultant on Amateur Radio to the UK Administration...

I wish I could say this story surprises me. But it doesn't. Sadly, there is plenty of that kind of stuff that goes on all the time in our federal government here in the United States. And every time we seem to rid ourselves of one miscreant, another slinks in to take his/her place. It's like a game of whack-a-mole.

When I was 18, and would have nothing to do with ARRL because of that boneheaded division director, I was too young at the time to have any inkling of the "bigger picture". I would like to think that with age, has come a little bit of wisdom and some additional insight. I am a member of ARRL today, and I do not have a life membership. And at age 56, I do not intend to purchase a life membership. (Should have done that back in my 20s!) Regardless, I intend to continue being a member of ARRL, just because of the "bigger picture" work they actually do, as G3RZP points out.

As for me, even if the organization has a few warts (which it does), I will continue to support it because of the lobbying and representative work they undertake. Because if it weren't for the ARRL, we probably would not have amateur radio in the United States today.

73 to all, and warm regards to our friends in the UK!
de N8AUC
Eric


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: ONAIR on May 06, 2017, 11:25:12 PM
Look at it this way...  If you live to be 99, you'll kick yourself for not getting it!  If you kick off before that, you can brag about it to the other SKs in the afterlife!!  ::)


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KC4ZGP on May 08, 2017, 12:16:43 PM

Several months ago, I got the new and improved ARRL Handbook 2017 and the ARRL Antenna book 2017
along with ten to twelve pages of advertisers in each book.

Why? Hmmm....

73 and wear that seat belt.

Kraus


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: VA3VF on May 08, 2017, 05:57:34 PM
In this day and age, any life membership is 'risky business'. In addition to the fact that you have to hang around long enough to make it worthwhile, the early 'death' rate of organizations themselves have increased substantially. I have already lost two life memberships due to the death of the organizations.

The other less talked about 'issue' with life memberships, is that you cannot vote with your wallet anymore, they got all your money already.

73 de Vince, VA3VF






Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KB4QAA on May 15, 2017, 02:18:41 PM
When are they going to quit mailing out dead trees and go fully digital with QST, which can be downloaded from their web site straight into your phone with their ARRL app?

Just think of what would happen to their coffer if they could do away with printing/mailing costs.
Umm, they did that about five years ago.  When are you going to pay attention?  ;)


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WB5UAA on May 26, 2017, 07:25:19 AM
When are they going to quit mailing out dead trees and go fully digital with QST, which can be downloaded from their web site straight into your phone with their ARRL app?

Just think of what would happen to their coffer if they could do away with printing/mailing costs.
Umm, they did that about five years ago.  When are you going to pay attention?  ;)
Umm, me?  Not paying attention?  I'm still getting dead trees mailed to me.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N9AOP on June 03, 2017, 10:03:13 AM
I would have to say yes.  I bought mine in the 70's.  The price was right and they are still there.  I do CQ in their digital version because it is always on time so far but I do prefer a magazine to a digital edition--not so much for the youth who prefer digital everything.
Art


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WA7JCE on July 23, 2017, 05:22:27 AM
I am rejoining amateur radio after a 13 year time out. My life membership is most of the reason. I started as a Novice in the mid 1960s and got my life membership then. two weeks ago I got my 50 year pin in the mail. ARRL is what you make it to be..  Here's hoping I'll get at least a few more years of proud membership. Phil Evans WA7JCE


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N9AOP on August 17, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
I bought a life membership in the early '70's and it definitely has been worth it.  Like a Govt. pension, it keeps giving.  If I had to do it today, I am not sure that I would.
Art


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W3TTT on September 08, 2017, 11:11:05 AM
A ham pal of mine got his lifetime membership in 1960 when the membership was like $100.00 or so. Now its up over $1000.00. I dont have that kind of $$ to just toss away now.

But with inflation factored in, the life membership is cheaper now than then.  $100 in 1960 is like $1500 now.  Even though an entry level rig would cost $500 in 1960 but today it costs $500.  Give or take. 

If you think that it costs too much to be a member every year, then just subscribe every other year.  That would cut your expenses in half but you could read all the past issues online.   Or even share a subscription with another ham.



Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KAPT4560 on September 09, 2017, 08:43:41 AM
 I did a lifetime membership in the AWA.
http://www.antiquewireless.org
 I think that it worth it as the radio hobby is a chronic and incurable affliction. My kind, adoring and patient wife agrees that I am beyond any hope or redemption.
 It will be something that I will always enjoy being a part of and besides, the money goes to good cause.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N2MG on September 10, 2017, 12:14:53 PM
1. As the yearly dues go up regularly,  the "break even " comes sooner than the 25x.
2. Be careful when considering Life expectancy... even if the average LE age is 75, if YOU are already, say, 50, you are very likely to live to 85.
3. A LM is a statement of your commitment to the hobby.

Plus you get the cool pin.  ;-)

Mike N2MG


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W1BR on September 11, 2017, 02:22:53 PM
. even if the average LE age is 75, if YOU are already, say, 50, you are very likely to live to 85.
 
Mike N2MG

Well, that is good news...  I was worried about nearing 70.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KOP on September 18, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
1. As the yearly dues go up regularly,  the "break even " comes sooner than the 25x.
2. Be careful when considering Life expectancy... even if the average LE age is 75, if YOU are already, say, 50, you are very likely to live to 85.
3. A LM is a statement of your commitment to the hobby.

Plus you get the cool pin.  ;-)

Mike N2MG

In most other things we agree Mike. In this case I'm just not drinking the Kool-Aid.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KB6QXM on April 16, 2018, 01:41:19 PM
They always say never say never. I can say without any hesitation. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AND WILL NEVER BE A MEMBER OF THE ARRL.


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KS2G on April 16, 2018, 02:51:32 PM
They always say never say never. I can say without any hesitation. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AND WILL NEVER BE A MEMBER OF THE ARRL.

Don't hold back.
Tell how you REALLY feel.
 :D


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: ND6M on April 16, 2018, 04:36:23 PM
...
  $100 in 1960 is like $1500 now.
an entry level rig would cost $500 in 1960 but today it costs $500.


Soooooooooooooooooo, WHY has (by your own numbers), the ARRL membership cost increased at 15 times the cost of a radio over the same period of time?

Yeah,.................. postage, ::)


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: SOFAR on April 16, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
https://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=100&year=1960 (https://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=100&year=1960)


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KS2G on April 16, 2018, 06:23:30 PM
...
  $100 in 1960 is like $1500 now.
an entry level rig would cost $500 in 1960 but today it costs $500.

s

 WHY has (by your own numbers), the ARRL membership cost increased at 15 times the cost of a radio over the same period of time?

Yeah,.................. postage, ::)

Postage  --- NOT!

If you look at the financials in the most recently-available (2016) ARRL Annual Report, you will see that publications and ALL (not just QST) postage account for about $3M of $15M total expenditures. The largest expense is PEOPLE -- $7.2M for salaries, compensation and benefits.

Radio prices --like all electronics and most other manufactured goods-- have benefited from automation, the use of robotic devices (whose costs keep declining) rather than PEOPLE (in a service organization, like ARRL, whose costs must, by nature, keep increasing to keep up with inflation).

Do some on-line searching and look at photos of radio assembly lines back in the 1950's and '60s -- rows and rows of benches staffed by mostly women, hand-wiring each chassis. Compare that to a YouTube video of a present-day assembly line, which consists of robots stuffing dozens of components into circuit boards each minute, with just a handful of workers doing "final assembly" of those boards into finished radios.



Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W4KVW on April 20, 2018, 09:13:19 AM
NO! 

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: AC7CW on April 20, 2018, 10:55:01 AM
They always say never say never. I can say without any hesitation. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AND WILL NEVER BE A MEMBER OF THE ARRL.

Are you certain of that? There have been cases of hams at the end of a contest weekend finding that they are missing a few hours, and inexplicably that they have an ARRL membership! It happens...


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: WB2LCW on April 27, 2018, 09:13:27 PM
I got my  life membership in 1972! That's 46 years ago!


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: NE1U on July 08, 2018, 09:43:59 AM
I got my  life membership in 1972! That's 46 years ago!
I am pretty sure '72 is when I got my life membership ... isn't that the year that it jumped up $25 additional to ... $125?


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: N9AOP on October 12, 2018, 09:43:19 AM
I got mine 45 years ago and certainly got my money's worth and continue to do so.
art


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KB5UZB on October 18, 2018, 09:17:22 PM
...
  $100 in 1960 is like $1500 now.
an entry level rig would cost $500 in 1960 but today it costs $500.


Soooooooooooooooooo, WHY has (by your own numbers), the ARRL membership cost increased at 15 times the cost of a radio over the same period of time?

Yeah,.................. postage, ::)

Because inflation doesn't apply the same way to electronics. Look at computer prices, or TVs, or just about any other electronic doo dad. Generally, capabilities increase while cost stays the same or goes down (numerically speaking ... once inflation is factored in it goes down even more).


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: ND6M on October 25, 2018, 07:45:23 AM
...
  $100 in 1960 is like $1500 now.
an entry level rig would cost $500 in 1960 but today it costs $500.


Soooooooooooooooooo, WHY has (by your own numbers), the ARRL membership cost increased at 15 times the cost of a radio over the same period of time?

Yeah,.................. postage, ::)

Because inflation doesn't apply the same way to electronics. Look at computer prices, or TVs, or just about any other electronic doo dad. Generally, capabilities increase while cost stays the same or goes down (numerically speaking ... once inflation is factored in it goes down even more).

I'll remember that the next time I buy a vehicle. lets see if I can  get it for 1/15 the price


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KB5UZB on October 26, 2018, 01:55:41 PM
Did I say vehicles? As computerized as vehicles are, I'm pretty sure no-one classifies them as electronics. Not even Teslas. But good luck with that! :)


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: KA4AQM on November 06, 2018, 04:27:17 PM
Depends....


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W5CPT on November 25, 2018, 05:16:55 PM
I wish I had gotten a Life Membership in 1991 when I joined the ARRL. I have been continuously a member and I would have saved a BUNCH of money. 


Title: RE: Is ARRL Life Membership Worth It?
Post by: W0BKR on March 01, 2019, 05:16:47 AM
I have life membership.  Other than the montly mag, not sure what else I would need....