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Title: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: K3NRX on June 25, 2010, 07:50:40 AM
And do you still have your original licenses/CSCEs from your exam sessions???...I'll start it off....

Novice received February, 1985 ---Orignial License & CSCE Gone Forever.....(actually, I don't recall a CSCE from back then)......

Upgraded to General, September, 1986 ---Still have license, however, it's pretty chewed up...Still have CSCE too.....

Upgraded to Advanced, April, 1989 ---Still have license and is in good condition. CSCE Gone...

Upgraded to Extra, May, 1989---Still have the initial first license and is in good condition. Still have the CSCE as well....The crowning achievment!...LOL.....

What say you???

V
KA3NRX





Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: K0BG on June 25, 2010, 09:24:45 AM
It depends on which circa you're asking about.

A long time ago, you went to the FCC for your other than Novice (and Conditional sometimes), and you waited for the upgrade in the mail. You didn't operate on the new privileges until you got the license in the mail.

Later on, there was a provision to add a descriptive suffice, which indicated that you passed the next level test. No CSCE from the FCC, however, until just before they switched over to the VEC program.

At that time, you received a CSCE from the VEC who gave you the test, and you still used the suffice.

Lots of changes over the years; some good, some bad, depending on your point of view.


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: W7ETA on June 25, 2010, 05:04:58 PM
Jan 1977.

It took over 6 weeks to get my ticket from the FCC.

If I remember correctly, my QST subscription started in mid 1976.

I think KP5 was my first deleted country?
China was the first country to allow ham radio again?
First new ham radio country was ZS1?

My trusty Tempo One CB rig got me interested in ham radio; I bought it from a ham.

73
Bob





Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: G3RZP on June 26, 2010, 12:32:15 AM
April 29, 1963. Still have my original licence, issued by the General Post Office (who were responsible for radio licencing etc in the UK in those days), mimeographed on 4 sheets of paper!


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: W3LK on June 26, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
Originally ...

1961, KN4ZQG. It took forever (well, about six weeks really) for the license to come in the mail.


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: KE3WD on June 26, 2010, 08:05:32 PM
Which time?  *grin*  

Originally, 'twas 1959 at the tender age of 8.  Upgraded to General at some point, still a kid livin' at home, then got busy and after a bit of college, then a stint in the USAF and first marriage, somehow let it expire.  Was so busy for awhile there I didn't miss it.  

Then came back to the hobby in the late 80s or so because I got married again and my new brother-in-law is an avid ARO.  Didn't believe that he believed me and my, "been there done that" stories, so I brushed up and took all the tests to Advanced in one day.  Month later, did the Extra but kept the Advanced callsign.  

Not all that active on the bands at present, but can still copy up around the 40wpm mark.  Maybe I'll participate in local club's Field Day.  If they run a CW post, that is...



Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: KA5N on June 27, 2010, 10:54:38 AM
Hi,

April 1954 Novice WN5FIP.  In those days you had to find a ham to administer the test including
written, receiving code test at 5 WPM and sending code test same speed.  Then mail the test to the
FCC and wait weeks for the license to arrive (still have it and all subsequent license upgrades ).
Since the original Novice license was only good for one year no renewals, no retaking after the year expired, you were halfway through with your young ham career before you had gotten started.  Upgraded to technician while still a Novice (was possible in those days) just to see how hard the
General test was since they were the same.  Since it was so easy I then upgraded.  Stayed a Conditional (same as General) until 1979 and got a 20 wpm Extra and later had my call changed from W5FIP to KA5N cause I wanted a shorter call that nobody else had ever had (and didn't have to pay for a vanity call).
Wonderful hobby.  I have heard of many hams who said that being a ham helped get them a job
somewhere along the line.  I once told the guy who was interviewing me that I was a ham and he
said:  "We won't hold that against you."  They didn't and I got the job.  Hi Hi.
Just think, if every ham replies to your post, it will put eHam out of business.

Allen



Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: KC9PRE on June 29, 2010, 08:30:21 AM
April 2009 :D


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: N2EY on June 29, 2010, 09:10:34 AM
Summer 1967: Passed 5 wpm code tests (sending and receiving) at volunteer examiner's house. He sends away for written test.

Wait six weeks

Later summer 1967: Written test arrives, take it at volunteer examiner's house. He sends it back to FCC; no idea whether I passed or not.

Wait six weeks

October 14, 1967: Novice license arrives; one of the first 2 year ones. On the air that day.

Spring 1968: Take General exam at Philadelphia FCC office. Miss 13 wpm code because examiner can't read my longhand well enough, but get credit for 5 wpm. Pass written exam; qualify for Technician to go with Novice (you could hold both at the same time back then).

Went home, taught self to block-print at 30 wpm and copy 18 wpm W1AW bulletins solid beginning to end.

Summer 1968: Go back to FCC office; pass 13 wpm code. FCC examiner "suggests" trying Advanced. Even at 14, not dumb enough to refuse FCC examiner, try it and pass Advanced.

Went home, made 2 year calendar to get ready for Extra (needed 2 years' experience)

Fall 1968: Advanced arrives. Have full privileges for a few weeks, then incentive licensing goes into effect.

Summer 1970: Back at FCC office, pass Extra. Arrives six weeks later.

1977 : Move to NY state, trade in 2x3 call from 3 land for 1x2 in 2 land. Not a vanity call; sequentially issued.

1979 - Move back to PA, keep 1x2 call.

The licenses are around someplace, as are logbooks going back to the very first day. Will dig them out sometime and record actual dates.

No CSCEs back then, no partial credit, no waivers. Most licenses require going to FCC office for exams.

Doesn't seem like 43 years.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: AD5X on June 29, 2010, 09:45:45 AM
Took the Novice test in April 1964 and received my license in June (WN3BCQ).  Had just finished 9th grade.  What a rush!!  Upgraded to General three months later (Dad had to take a day of vacation to take me to the FCC office in Washington, DC - so lots of pressure to pass!).  Been licensed continuously since then.

Phil - AD5X


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: AE4RV on June 29, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Well, Jim, I had it somewhat easier in the 1990's   :P

Background:
Semi-casual SWL and broadcast DXr since childhood. 5 WPM code speed in early '80s via cassette tapes but no one to "talk to". Relearned Morse in the early 90s via Amiga computer freeware, just for kicks. Relearned again in late '95 with software that I wrote in Amiga Basic then ported to QBasic. Practiced sending with a Commodore 64 and a code-reader cartridge. Again, this was all just for fun, I wasn't thinking about Amateur radio. Got up to 10+ WPM with no QSOs. A friend at tech school (who held a Technician license) learned what I was doing and urged me to get licensed. The lifelong semi-ambition of getting a Ham radio license finally made sense to me.

Late Jan. '96 obtained Tech+ with 13WPM endorsement via book learning (Now You're Talking), SWL experience and Morse software. Also, finally met some Elmers thanks to my new ticket and the local 2M repeaters. That sure helped.

Feb. '96 obtained General with 20WPM endorsement via book learning, practice tests on Floppy disk (thanks Elmers!) and the fact that the Morse test was multiple choice, as my copy was not great. I didn't want to hand over my scratch sheet as I thought it might embarrass me at best, or disqualify me at worst. But fortunately, if you get 8 out of ten right, you're in. (I wasn't even planning on taking the Morse test as I was still only good for about 13WPM and figured that I would be a General or maybe Advanced for a good while, like most people. But the VE's encouraged me to try it. "You paid for it!", they said.)

Early March '96, with my 20WPM CSCE burning a hole in my pocket, my work was cut out for me. I managed to pass Advanced and Extra in one session. I freely admit the practice tests helped tremendously, but not as much from a memorization perspective as one might think. More like showing me where I needed help. I also picked a difficult subject or two to skip studying as I wasn't likely to get more than one or two questions about them.

Took about six weeks  :D


It was the Morse endorsements that really pushed me to keep upgrading. I would not have thought about seeing how fast I could get to Extra without them.

The lead VE from my first session loaned me a 20M QRP rig after I got Extra, and gave me wire to make a dipole. I still have and use that antenna.

73 Geoff


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: KC8WUC on June 29, 2010, 11:18:20 AM
I admit, I had it easily... too easy by some standards.  I entered ham radio late in the game (2003) as a Technician.  I purchased the study guide, although did not study for the test very much and still passed with flying colors. I went on to obtain my GROL later that year after having had several years in broadcast engineering under my belt (the GROL wasn't required then and typically a SBE certification was only occasionally asked for).  I went on to get the GMDSS Maintainer and Operator, as well as the Radar Endorsement that same year, although this was more of an option than a necessity, as at that time my boat was only voluntarily equipped.  I have since obtained my STCW for Radar, ARPA (automatic radar piloting aids), and GMDSS Operator and added them to my Merchant Mariner Credential, which required a fair amount of classroom work (about a month and a half). 

Michael KC8WUC


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: G0CVL on July 05, 2010, 02:15:40 PM
1982 B license (vhf, but passed all the exams minus the morse)
1984 full class A, (passed morse requirement) and still have all three pass certificates !!

Spike - G0CVL


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: KU4UV on July 05, 2010, 05:35:17 PM
My story:

Saturday October 17, 1992.  Had my older brother drive me to ham test site after about 4 weeks of studying for my No-Code license.  I passed the test at 100% correct.  Three weeks later, November 1, 1992, One day after my 18th birthday had an automobile accident that almost killed me.  Ham radio was the last thing on my mind, as I was thanking God that I was able to walk away from a crash that in honesty, should have killed me.

Summer of 1993, Decided to go ahead and take the code requirement and get my Techinicain license in case I wanted to get on 10 meters and enjoy the openings while in college.  Passed the code test after a couple of tries.

March 1998, After graduating from college and moving to Lexington, Kentucky to work at the local ABC affiliate, decided to study for my General class ticket.  I passed on the first try after a couple months of studying the code and theory.

September 1998, Decided to go ahead and get my Advanced ticket since I had just passed the General and the material would be similar.  My Advanced ticket was probably the hardest one to get, but I passed after having studied for the exam most of the summer and taken some online practice tests.

December 2001, Started studying for the Extra ticket around the time of the terrorist attacks.  Passed the exam on the first try with one or two questions missed.

And yes, I still have all of my original paperwork.

73,
KU4UV


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: N3DF on July 05, 2010, 07:02:00 PM
2012 will mark the 100th anniversary of amateur radio licensing in the U.S.  Wonder what the license structure will look like in another hundred years. 


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: AB4D on July 06, 2010, 06:29:28 AM
I was first licensed in 1993. I passed the Technican in September, and the license (KE4IAQ) did not show up until about two weeks before Christmas.  The wait seemed like forever.


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: N4KZ on July 06, 2010, 12:22:01 PM
I took my novice exam in December 1968 when I was a high school freshman. The novice ticket came in early February 1969. Six months later, I upgrade to general because I was chomping to get into the general bands for DX chasing. I worked 50 countries on 15m as a novice -- in about a three-month period. Yes, putting up a 3-element monoband yagi at 45 feet helped that cause. Got my general in September 1969 and went back a year later and passed the advanced exam. (See August 1997 QST - "Thanks, Barry" for that story.) I took the extra exam in 1979 at the Detroit FCC office. All of my exams, except the novice, were in front of FCC examiners because that's all there was. Volunteer examiners came a bit later. The trip to take the general was fun because three of went together -- my elmer and a buddy. We all passed that day. We got our generals and my elmer got his advanced. A year later, I secured an excused absence from school and rode the Greyhound by myself to the federal building in downtown Louisville and got my advanced. Then I had a big delay in getting the license in the mail -- remember, no instant upgrades in 1970 -- while the FCC lost my paperwork. Then I ran into Barry Goldwater on the air, told him of my long wait for my new ticket -- and he had his secretary call the FCC the next day on my behalf and got it all straightened out and I got an apology for the FCC for the debacle. 

I've been active on the air continuously from Feb. 9, 1969 to present. I've lived in 14 residences since being first licensed and had an HF station on the air from all 14. And that includes using the gutter on the side of an apartment building in Sterling Heights, Mich. Actually, it wasn't a bad antenna. Made lots of 40m CW contacts with it, including working the Marshall Islands one morning. Not bad for 100 watts and a gutter.

73, N4KZ


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: AE4RV on July 06, 2010, 12:28:31 PM
"Then I ran into Barry Goldwater on the air, told him of my long wait for my new ticket -- and he had his secretary call the FCC the next day on my behalf and got it all straightened out and I got an apology for the FCC for the debacle."

Fantastic!


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: K7KBN on July 06, 2010, 08:00:04 PM
Took Novice test at High School in December 1959, (K7LBQ was the "VE").  Then took Conditional test in February 1960 in the workshop of a TV repair place two blocks from my folks' house in Las Vegas.  Both the Novice and the Conditional tickets took 7 weeks to arrive.

Upgraded from Conditional to General at the FCC office in Los Angeles at the same time I took the First Class Commercial Radiotelephone and Second Class Commercial Radiotelegraph tests in the summer of 1960 - must have been July.  For those who ask why I didn't take the Extra at the same time: simple.  You had to have been licensed for at least two years as a General or Advanced before you could even apply to take the Extra.  Conditional didn't count.

Upgraded to First Class Commercial Radiotelegraph in 1963 while on active duty in the Navy.  We handled a lot of commercial traffic for a time while in 7th Fleet and with letters from the CO of USS Kitty Hawk, endorsed up the line, FCC had no problem in my taking the test.

Then as an afterthought, I upgraded to Extra in 1975 at the FCC office in Portland OR.


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: N2EY on July 07, 2010, 03:32:05 AM
Took Novice test at High School in December 1959, (K7LBQ was the "VE").  Then took Conditional test in February 1960 in the workshop of a TV repair place two blocks from my folks' house in Las Vegas.  Both the Novice and the Conditional tickets took 7 weeks to arrive.

Upgraded from Conditional to General at the FCC office in Los Angeles at the same time I took the First Class Commercial Radiotelephone and Second Class Commercial Radiotelegraph tests in the summer of 1960 - must have been July.  For those who ask why I didn't take the Extra at the same time: simple.  You had to have been licensed for at least two years as a General or Advanced before you could even apply to take the Extra.  Conditional didn't count.

According to all the sources I've seen, Conditional did count towards the Extra experience requirement. But in the summer of 1960 you didn't have two years as a Conditional.

The Conditional was the same as the General, only issued by-mail using a volunteer examiner. Same tests, same privileges. And it counted for the Extra experience requirement.

However, there was a time when, if a Conditional and wanted an Advanced or Extra, the 13 wpm code and General theory had to be taken and passed all over again in front of an FCC examiner before you could even try the Advanced or Extra. That requirement eventually went away.

---

But Novice and Technician time did not count towards the Extra.

From the 1954 and 1962 ARRL License Manuals (same in both editions):

"12.21 Eligibility for license. Persons are eligible to apply for the various classes of amateur operator licenses as follows:

(a) Amateur Extra Class. Any citizen of the United States who either (1) at any time prior to the receipt of his application by the Commission has held for a period of two years or more a valid amateur operator license issued by the Federal Communications Commission, excluding licenses of the Novice and Technician classes, ..."

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: WA9BXB on July 07, 2010, 05:19:51 AM
First licensed in 1962 as a Novice.  I have my original Novice license hanging on my ham shack wall.  Upgraded to General six months later by testing in downtown Chiago in front of an FCC Commissioner. Upgraded to Advanced class about five years later.  I have all my original licenses.


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: W0ZS on July 07, 2010, 12:44:10 PM
Received my novice call, WN0LVU in 1974 when it was only a two year nonrenewable license. Let it lapse in 1976 to go to college, etc.  Plus I would have had to go to an FCC office in Sioux Falls, SD when the FCC would be there to give exams.
The FCC changed the rules and anyone with a novice license previously could apply for a permanent novice license.  My call then became KA0FPG
In 1980, I drove to the FCC office in St. Paul, MN and took the general class test and passed both the code and theory.  New call, N0CRK.
In 1981, I took my advanced test at a hamfest in Sioux City, IA and received the call, KD0TD.
In 1988, I took the Extra class and 21 WPM code test at the same hamfest in Sioux City, and received my call of WK0F.
In 2007, I decided to change my 2 x 1 call for a 1 x 2 and applied for a vanity call, W0ZS.  The WK0F was a difficult call for contest exchanges.  The DX got confused with a W and a K in the prefix.


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: AB7KT on July 09, 2010, 10:50:53 AM
Got my Novice ticket in 1979. Took the test at school from one of my teachers. Me and a few other guys went into his office at lunch time to learn CW and study for the Novice exam. When we were ready, he gave us the test. I think about seven of us started. All but one got the Novice ticket. Maybe four of those got on the air. And I think I am the only one that remained active past a few years. The one guy that never got his ticket, today, works professionally in radio  ???

Took my General about a year later from the FCC (1980 ?). It wasn't at an FCC office. They had an exam team give the exams once a month in the Pittsburgh area (I don't remember where it was held). I was able to use my new privliges right away with some kind of identifier, but I don't remember what it was. I know I owned a two meter rig before I was a General and took it with me to the test. On the way home I made an autopatch to tell my dad that I had passed.

I remained a general for something like 20 years. Then I took my Advanced and Extra under the VEC program.............But (as I always point out) I did have to pass the 20 wpm CW test for my Extra. I applied for a new callsign with both my Advanced and my Extra ticket since I no longer lived in my original call area.


I still have all the associated paperwork from all my licenses in my log book. I have my Novice ticket in a frame as well as my present license.


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: K4DPK on July 10, 2010, 06:05:48 PM
1955

Phil C. Sr.
k4dpk


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: NK6Q on July 21, 2010, 10:43:20 PM
Got my Novice ticket in summer of 1967.  Based on Jim's story, I must have been one of the last of the 1-year novices.  I remember waiting by the mail slot in my house day after day for the license to arrive (I still have the original in my personal "treasure box", along with my General and Advanced tickets).

No VE's back in those days: in '68 I took a bus into NYC and the subway to lower Manhattan to the FCC building and then upstairs to the legendary (infamous?) 2-room office allocated for amateur exams.  I sat in one room behind an old schoolroom desk, a WWII-era set of headphones clamped to my ears, sweating to copy the 13 WPM code.  After passing the CW portion, I was handed a multiple-choice form for the written test.  The cranky old guy administering the exams would check the results with a manila card punched out in the appropriate locations.  When I passed, I celebrated by going out to lunch at the Automat for a hot dog and baked bean casserole.  The whole process (ordeal) made getting my license seem like a very big deal!

A year later I was back in that same musty office taking my written exam for my Advanced license.  Unfortunately, a year after that, my ardor for ham radio was eclipsed by my ardor for girls, and I left it all behind for over 40 years.  My recent experiences taking VE-sponsored exams (with no code), and finding many convenient locations to take them, is a lot easier than "schlepping" into the big city to take the tests, but it didn't have the same excitement and romance as my earlier experiences.  But that might be 'cause I'm old now.

Peace, Love, es 73's

Bill in Pasadena


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: K1XV on July 22, 2010, 12:01:23 PM
Bill, NK6Q

I went before the same FCC examiner in New York City in late 1962.   My experience was the same as yours.  My test was near the Hudson River at Christopher Street.  I understand they later moved to Varick Street.  The grumpy guy's name was Jules Finkelman.   Remember his half glasses, green cigars and white shirts?   He terrorized us.

When I got my license, they had just finished the WA2 series of calls, and had started on WB2.  Somehow, they must have missed a few, and went back to pick them up, because I would up with WA2WXV a few weeks after some of my friends got WB2Axx calls.  They were all mad at me for somehow getting an older series call.

The license in those days was a thin small piece of paper.  As I recall, when you renewed your license you were supposed to send in the expired one, so not too many people kept their original license.  I let mine lapse in 1968 for much the same reasons as you.  As a result, I still have that little paper license issued on January 2, 1963.  Returned to amateur radio after an almost 30 year lapse in 1997.

Are you sure you and I are not the same person?

Ray   K1XV


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: W5LZ on July 23, 2010, 06:54:37 PM
First license in 1966, Novice, WN5LZK.  Girls, college, and a job.  Not necessarily in that order.  Got back into the hobby 15 - 20 years later.  AA5AN (sounded like a barking dog in phonetics), then tried to get the 'old' call back.  Ended up with W5LZ.  Guess they figured I couldn't remember all those letters?  Whatever...
Paul


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: NK6Q on July 23, 2010, 09:23:26 PM
Ray, K1XV

Oh yeah, Jules Finkelman. He was as skinny and dried up and ornery as an old barnyard rooster.  I think the guy must have been at least 500 years-old by the time I got around to visiting the Federal Building in Manhattan.

I still have all my original licenses, those small pieces of paper with the information typed in on a manual typewriter (it's really a hoot to see the typed lettering on my tickets slightly askew, probably from some poor office grunt barely hitting the shift key to make the capital letters).

The reason I still have all three (Novice: WN2BVN, General & Advanced: WA2HDS) was because I never renewed any of the licenses.  The Novice ticket was a one-year nonrenewable deal, I upgraded to General, and then Advanced.  Back then, renewal was every 4 years, I think, and you had to submit your logs as proof of being an active radio op. By the time my Advanced was coming up for renewal my interests had shifted elsewhere.

Lots of good memories.  Man oh man, times sure have changed! 

73

Bill in Pasadena



Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: N2EY on July 24, 2010, 03:15:16 AM

Oh yeah, Jules Finkelman. He was as skinny and dried up and ornery as an old barnyard rooster.  I think the guy must have been at least 500 years-old by the time I got around to visiting the Federal Building in Manhattan.

Hello, Bill - we are the same "vintage"! Except you got one of the last 1 year Novices and I got one of the first 2 year ones.

Here in Philly, The Examiner was Joe Welsh, nicknamed "Joe Squelch". And similar tales were told.

I found out much later that Joe was also a ham and a really nice guy away from work. But when he was on duty, he was All Business.

Plus when you're a teenager, anybody over about 24 seems ancient.

Back then, renewal was every 4 years, I think, and you had to submit your logs as proof of being an active radio op.

It was every 5 years in those days. 10 year licenses started in 1984, so by 1989 everybody had one. And then, for 5 years nobody's license expired!

Submitting logs in order to renew wasn't required. But back then renewal required signing a statement saying you'd been on the air at least 2 hours in the previous 3 months or 5 hours in the previous 12 months. And since logs of all amateur operation were required, the FCC could easily check. Not many hams would fib about something like that!

There was also a statement where you affirmed that you could still pass the Morse Code tests, both sending and receiving, at the time of the renewal application.

(I have some old License Manuals - they're interesting to read...)


Lots of good memories.  Man oh man, times sure have changed! 


If I haven't said it already (and even if I have): Welcome Back!

Yes, a lot has changed, but a lot is still the same.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: W4FID on July 29, 2010, 03:31:45 AM
At the end of 1960 the 9th call area had issued all the W9 and then all the K9 calls and were about to issue the first WA9 calls. But at that time the novice was one year not renewable. So in addition to the normal amount of silent keys vacating calls there were some unused/expired calls from novices who didn't upgrade in the old pool. The FCC decided to use them up first and then go to the WA9 series. I got lucky and my novice exam was on their desk early in 1961 and got one of the reissued calls .......... Kn9FID. The original one was likely issued about 5 years earlier from what I can tell from asking guys who got the original series with calls near mine in sequence. So I got a 1 x 3 and "unearned seniority" by dumb luck.

Later I moved to the Detroit area in the early 70s but I kept an Illinois address as my operator's/primary station license official address and kept the 1 x 3. I got a secondary station license WB8TOY. When they did away with secondary station licenses in the late 70s I was able to choose and decided to keep the 1 x 3 call. A couple years later we moved back to suburban Chicago and I was glad I had kept the 1 x 3 9th area call --- plus it was way better on CW than the 8 call.

In 2005 I decided I was in FL for a couple years already and likely to stay for the rest of my life (as much as the good Lord allows us to decide anything) and got W4FID as a vanity call.


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: W5CBO on July 29, 2010, 01:41:51 PM
General since 1976


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: AB2T on July 29, 2010, 04:20:42 PM
Tech Plus 1994, Extra 1996.  Both in my teens.  Did the General, Advanced, Extra, and code back to back in two months.  We young club members raced to see who could pass all the tests fastest.  Judging from the other posts, the VEC made things lots easier.  Luck of age that I didn't have to trek into Manhattan, I suppose.  

Weren't there certain geographical requirements attached to the Conditional?  I thought that a Novice had to live beyond a certain distance from the FCC exam offices in order to sit the Conditional.  I can't remember where I read the following.  Supposedly some Novices went as far as registering their first license with a relative far from the FCC offices to avoid writing the General.  That person must've traveled far out of the way to get their ticket.

Were Conditionals eventually grandfathered into General?    



Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: N2EY on July 30, 2010, 02:54:46 AM
Weren't there certain geographical requirements attached to the Conditional?

Yes.

First off, there was never a requirement to start with Novice. Most hams did so because it was the easiest.

In the bad old days, FCC had exam points in major cities and would send traveling examiners to smaller cities. But there were still parts of the country where the distance to an FCC exam session was considerable.

Until 1954, the rule was that a ham had to live more than 125 miles "air-line" from an FCC exam site where exams were held at least 4 times a year to get a license "by mail". This included the Novice, Technician and Conditional. Advanced and Extra could not be earned by-mail.

Also, if the ham moved to within 125 miles of such a site, s/he had 90 days to show up and be retested by an FCC official, or lose the license.

In 1954 the distance requirement was reduced to 75 miles "air-line", and the retest-if-you-move requirement abolished. Also, all routine Novice and Technician were changed to "by-mail".

In 1964 the distance was increased to 175 miles "air-line" and the number of exam sites increased. Almost all of the area of the 48 states were then no longer "Conditional territory"

Supposedly some Novices went as far as registering their first license with a relative far from the FCC offices to avoid writing the General.  That person must've traveled far out of the way to get their ticket.

Depends on the situation.

It might be closer to a relative's house than to an FCC exam point, particularly when you consider travel distance rather than "air-line" distance. It might cost a lot less and be a lot more convenient to go to the relative's house than to go to the big city for an exam (exam sessions were held weekday mornings at prescheduled times; a by-mail exam session could be held whenever convenient for the volunteer examiner and the ham being tested).

Were Conditionals eventually grandfathered into General?

Yes. About 1975, the FCC announced that all Conditionals would be renewed as Generals. License terms were 5 years then, so by 1980 all Conditionals had been renewed as Generals or had expired.

It should be remembered that back before the Interstate Highway System, travel by car or bus could be slow and expensive. Rail travel was more common then, but trains didn't go everywhere.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: AE5JU on August 01, 2010, 07:08:18 PM
October 16, 2008.

I'm just glad to be here.

 ;D


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: NM7L on August 02, 2010, 10:04:06 PM
Received Novice in mail on 3/17/77 (license was dated 3/14/77).  Original call was WB3GOK

Upgraded to General on 2/28/78, Advanced 4/8/92,  & finally Extra on 4/20/02.



Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: KB2FCV on August 12, 2010, 10:42:31 AM
Got my Novice back in early 1988 when I was in 8th grade.

Within a year and a couple of months I went to Tech - Gen - Advanced and Extra. I had passed my 20wpm code test by just enough so I had my incentive to get my Extra while the CSCE was still good. I still have my first extra license in a frame with a date somewhere in June of 89 when I was 15 years old.

I have most of my CSCE's. My Novice class was administered by my science teacher and another ham at our school when several of us took the test.


Title: RE: When was everyone licensed???.....
Post by: K6LHA on August 12, 2010, 12:18:30 PM
And do you still have your original licenses/CSCEs from your exam sessions???...I'll start it off....

What say you???

KA3NRX

I can truthfully say that I have NO CSCEs.  I tested for Extra on 25 February 2007 and passed all 3 test elements.  Never had an amateur radio license before.  At the time I was 74.  Got the license grant on 7 March 2007, almost on the 51st anniversary of passing my First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) license.  I might have been the oldest person in the test session, examiners included.   :D

73, Len K6LHA