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Title: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on January 01, 2011, 10:12:02 AM
For you 64 bit users out there, take a look at FireFox's 64 bit beta (4.0 beta9) I have been running it for a while and it is much faster than 32 bit version on a 64 bit machine. It goes under the name "Minefield" which they name their beta pre-release browsers. I always run multiple windows and multiple tab in each window and 32 bit Firefox would leak memory and get in a background loop and get slow and require browser relaunches. 64bit version does not do this. For what it is worth:)


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on January 01, 2011, 10:03:36 PM
Thank you. That's something I'd like to play with.

However, I've just been all over mozilla.org and firefox.com, and I found nothing about a 64-bit version. It was hard enough to find the Firefox 4 beta page, and I only found that from Google.

A link to the 64-bit FF 4 beta download page would be appreciated. :-)


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on January 01, 2011, 10:10:14 PM
I'm using the latest 32-bit version of FF under Windows 7 on this laptop. I've found that when FF stops responding, often it's another program that's actually to blame. For example, kill HPMSGSVC in Task Manager, and FF takes off again.

I've also seen Adobe Reader and the Adobe Reader update checker crash FF, and even the whole OS on a couple of occasions. They still haven't got the bugs out of that, but it is better than it was.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: WX4O on January 02, 2011, 08:32:25 AM
Yes, please. If you have a link to Firefox Beta 9, please post it. Tnx.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on January 02, 2011, 08:49:37 AM
Sorry about not providing a link for you. (I am used to looking this stuff up and know how to find it) You can find latest nightly build at link below. Select Windows 64 bit from page. I have been using various nightly builds for many years and this 64 bit one is a keeper.

http://nightly.mozilla.org/ (http://nightly.mozilla.org/)


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W6FG on January 15, 2011, 04:04:20 PM
Wow, cool version!  Thanks.

rf


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on January 18, 2011, 10:09:08 AM
It seems they are slowing down on nightly 64 bit builds which means code is getting close to public beta. Latest 64 bit version is Beta 10pre dated 1/12/11. Link above is still valid. Also Firefox has now released a public beta of FireFox 4.0 32 bit. No public 64 bit yet.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: AJ3O on January 22, 2011, 07:21:53 AM
New build as of Jan. 21


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on January 22, 2011, 07:39:59 AM
You will find that when the beta stops updating itself it is because the current version (like  4.0 b10) it is because there is a new beta version (is like 4.0 b11) that will require a fresh download from nightly builds.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on February 05, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
It is now up to Beta 12. I have had no problems with beta 11 but did see some stability issues with a nightly beta 10 build.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on February 13, 2011, 01:01:13 PM
I finally downloaded and installed the latest 64-bit Firefox beta (4.0b12pre). Wow!

 I've heard others talk about how good, fast, and stable it is (for a beta) and I fully agree. I feel like a kid with a new toy. :-)

Those guys think of everything! Among other things, the interface has been slightly rearranged, in a way that it should have been before. I thought my current version of FF was good, but this one is GREAT. I'm running it under Windows 7.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on February 24, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
It is up to 4.0 beta 13 now. I have recently been using 32 bit version on 32bit machines and it works well there too.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on February 24, 2011, 05:42:45 PM
I just love it the 64-bit Windows 7 version! The only complaint I have is that the Flash plug-in doesn't work yet.

Any ideas?


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on February 24, 2011, 07:01:56 PM
I just love it the 64-bit Windows 7 version! The only complaint I have is that the Flash plug-in doesn't work yet.

Any ideas?

I have been using flash for close to a year with 64 bit.  You have to did around Adobe site to find their 64 bit beta support as they have had it for some time now.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on February 24, 2011, 08:32:08 PM
Oh really? I just let Firefox automatically "install missing plugins" when it offers to, but it doesn't work with this 64-bit Windows 7 beta version.

I really don't miss the Flash feature. I don't watch many videos on the Web. But it would be nice to have.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on February 24, 2011, 08:40:46 PM
Once you install the 64 bit beta flash plugin then it will update automatically but it will not install first time on demand.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on February 24, 2011, 08:46:29 PM
Once you install the 64 bit beta flash plugin then it will update automatically but it will not install first time on demand.

I just Googled it, and looked around on adobe.com, but can't find it. Do you happen to have a link? TIA.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on February 24, 2011, 08:58:32 PM
Did not take long to find it (about 30 seconds via google) It is code named "Square"

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html (http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html)


BTW I just did a search for 64 bit flash


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on February 24, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
Thanks! I found "square", but not that page. The link on adobe.com that I found kept looping back on itself.

FLASH WORKS NOW! Thank you!  :D


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on February 24, 2011, 09:24:24 PM
Actually link I sent was correct, if you scroll down page you will find two 64 bit downloads. One for IE and another for other browsers.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on February 24, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
Actually link I sent was correct...

I wasn't saying your link was wrong; that's how I found what I needed.

What I meant was, what I found via my own Google search and my own browsing at adobe.com wasn't what I needed.

You solved my issue, and I appreciate that! :-)

Life is good again.  :)


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on February 24, 2011, 10:13:53 PM
I was not offended. Glad you found it. I used to do IT support so I kinda do and look for things without thinking and tend to assume others do too. Adobe has not main streamed the 64 bit flash support because "official" 64 bit browsers are limited and mostly beta. Once 64 bit browsers go main stream I look for Flash support to as well. On a side note, I would stay away from Adobe reader 10.x as I have found it to be a bit quirky on a 64 bit OS and rolled back to 9.4 until 10.x has more time to mature.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on February 24, 2011, 10:31:31 PM
... I would stay away from Adobe reader 10.x as I have found it to be a bit quirky on a 64 bit OS and rolled back to 9.4 until 10.x has more time to mature.

Absolutely! I've had trouble with the regular version of Adobe reader ever since I started using the 64-bit version of Windows 7! I should have uninstalled it and replaced it with http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader, but I haven't yet.

I very much appreciate your advice! Thank you!


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on February 27, 2011, 07:59:05 AM
I just read the FireFox 4.x has graduated from nightly build release to public beta release.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on March 02, 2011, 12:03:24 AM
Houston, we have a problem. Thank God and Microsoft for System Restore.

The latest version of Minefield (FF 64-bit for Win7) breaks the "reply" pages on qrz.com. I had to do a system restore to fix it.

After the system restore, it was OK, then I applied the Minefield update. Same problem. Had to do a System Restore again.

I turned off automatic updates in Minefield, but that's not a good long-term solution, since I can't get auto security updates.

Anyone have a solution?

FYI, similar post at http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?287236-Problem-with-latest-Firefox-64-bit-beta-and-qrz.com


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on March 03, 2011, 05:21:19 AM

I turned off automatic updates in Minefield, but that's not a good long-term solution, since I can't get auto security updates.

Anyone have a solution?


If you turn off automatic updates for minefield you can still do them manually. I have always done mine manually. Go to help menu, select about and click on update button.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on March 04, 2011, 12:22:43 AM
Now I'm not so sure that the qrz.com bug was Minefield (Firefox). They were working on the site and I saw some other bugs.

Regardless, when NoScript became disabled (which may have been because I didn't update Minefield), I uninstalled it and went back to FF 3.6.14. If I would have been in a different mood, I might not have done that, but I was tired of these issues getting in the way.

Sure do miss some of Minefield's features, though. :-)


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on March 04, 2011, 04:40:30 AM
I have seen little glitches in Minefield at times but they usually disappear for nightly builds. You did now that you did not need to uninstall it because minefield and regular release of FireFox co-exist nicely and share bookmarks, history and such.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: N3ZH on March 08, 2011, 11:32:36 AM
For you 64 bit users out there, take a look at FireFox's 64 bit beta (4.0 beta9) I have been running it for a while and it is much faster than 32 bit version on a 64 bit machine. It goes under the name "Minefield" which they name their beta pre-release browsers. I always run multiple windows and multiple tab in each window and 32 bit Firefox would leak memory and get in a background loop and get slow and require browser relaunches. 64bit version does not do this. For what it is worth:)

Wow, minefield is really fast.
And all my printer problems are gone.

Thanks,

Howard


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on March 08, 2011, 04:16:12 PM

Wow, minefield is really fast.
And all my printer problems are gone.


It has been my "experience" that FireFox/Minefield has always been much better about printing from the web than IE.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on March 23, 2011, 02:39:39 PM
Wow, minefield is really fast.

I just installed the new public release of FF 4.0. I think the 64-bit version of Minefield was faster. Anyone else think so?

And I just noticed that it didn't use all the cookies from the previous version. I have to re-enter some passwords and personalize the MSNBC and BBC web sites again. Having said that, double-clicking in the user and password fields did bring up the old info.


I didn't see a 64-bit version of FF 4 being offered. Must still be in beta?


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on March 23, 2011, 03:06:38 PM
I am still using 64bit Minefield and not 4.0 32bit release as 64 bit does not have memory limitation that 32 bit does. I could find not 4.0 release for 64 bit but did find a FireFox 4.2 beta.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on April 07, 2011, 09:27:52 AM
Update. Still no official 64 bit FireFox but they are at 4.2a pre 1 level and it seems stable now. Earlier versions had some quirks but latest one dated 3/29/11 is playing well here. the 32 bit version of FireFox 4 just does play nearly as well speed and snap wise on 64 bit machines as the 64 bit beta does


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on April 12, 2011, 05:14:34 PM
It seems that 64 bit Minefield is now called "Nightly" in the about part of browser.  Latest build is 4.2a1pre dated 4/12/11. It is likely safe to say that there may be no FireFox 4.0 64 bit main stream. It will be 4.x  or 5.x when it is finally released.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on April 14, 2011, 06:36:31 AM
Another update. Firefox's 64 bit beta browser recently renamed "Nightly" is now at 6.x version. The dropped the ver 4.2 naming. Very fast browser. 


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: KL7IPV on April 17, 2011, 02:25:45 PM
I removed the 4.0 due to limitations it has with some Norton stuff and other programs it wont run. I just now upgraded my Firefox to 3.5.18 which is good enough for me until they fix the limits on 4.anything.
Frank


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on April 17, 2011, 03:14:50 PM
I removed the 4.0 due to limitations it has with some Norton stuff and other programs it wont run. I just now upgraded my Firefox to 3.5.18 which is good enough for me until they fix the limits on 4.anything.
Frank

Norton is kinda the worst security software you can use. It kinda takes over and is a resource hog  and even kills other legit spyware apps. (Norton does not like you using free apps) When I encounter a system that is flakey with some apps and it has Norton it is the first thing to go. 


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W0BTU on April 17, 2011, 03:42:07 PM
Here's my own experience with Norton.

I gave up on all the free apps, usually due to problems with the PC slowing down. All I use now on all the PCs in my home and business is Norton. Period.

I have never used Norton with any other security software (Except Windows Defender) running, as I see no need to. In that context, Norton is the fastest, most stable security app that I have ever run on any PC, WinXP and Win7.

Now that I think about it, I did have a bad experience with Norton somewhere around Win98 or Win2k. But someone recommended it not long after XP came out, and I've loved it ever since.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on April 17, 2011, 05:12:13 PM
I have never lost a PC to spyware or virus by not using Norton. Never had to reload one either because of it. I have cleaned up so "nasty" infections or others computers too. Norton uses to many resources and I have run across few machines that required registry repair after a proper Norton uninstall because Norton crippled WinSock settings when it was removed (Norton redirects all traffic via a "proxy" through its own "socket" and does not always properly restore registry) There is better and cheaper software out their than Norton and they will not cripple your system either when removed. The college my daughters went to provide free MS software and Norton Suite too but even their IT guys on campus advise against using it because of "issues" with some configurations. 


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on May 17, 2011, 07:35:05 AM
Still using the FireFox beta 64 bit browser called Nightly. I tried using Firefox 4.0 32 bit for a while just to see but found it lacking and went back to Nightly. Current version is 6.0a1 5/16/11


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: KK4KIN on June 08, 2011, 07:08:53 PM
Try the  FIRE FOX ... NEW Nightly 7.0   Sweet :)


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on June 21, 2011, 11:32:49 AM
Firefox has now jumped up to 5.x in release versions for 32 bit. I am still using 64 bit 7.x nightly though.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on July 07, 2011, 06:22:43 AM
FireFox 64 bit Beta is now up to Nightly version 8.x. The 32 bit browser is a big step down on 64 bit systems in overall performance. 


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: KB1TXK on July 07, 2011, 08:40:33 AM
I don't mean to nitpick but the browser isn't named  "Nightly"...those are simply nightly builds as in...the developers are compiling new code on a nightly routine and releasing it as a beta version of whatever revision they are up to (rev 8 from the sounds of it).


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on July 07, 2011, 11:40:36 AM
I don't mean to nitpick but the browser isn't named  "Nightly"...those are simply nightly builds as in...the developers are compiling new code on a nightly routine and releasing it as a beta version of whatever revision they are up to (rev 8 from the sounds of it).

Well you are mistaken because Mozilla calls the FireFox 32 and 64 bit beta "Nightly".  They used to call it MineField for several years and switched name to Nightly a few months ago.  It even calls it "Nightly" in the about tab under help.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: KB1TXK on July 07, 2011, 11:55:15 AM
Ok :)


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on August 21, 2011, 01:48:54 PM
FireFox 64 bit beta is now up to 9.x version. It seems that Mozilla plans to release it to main stream when FireFox 9 is released.  Given the Firefox is now at 6.x level and 7.x is due out in a couple months this fall, version 9 may be out early next year.


Title: RE: FireFox 4.0 64 bit
Post by: W8JX on December 22, 2011, 06:22:27 AM
Update, Fire Fox 64 bit beta is now up to 12.x series. Still very stable