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Title: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: KD8IZZ on September 08, 2009, 04:16:04 PM
I'm looking forward to the Arkansas QSO party this weekend. AR is a perfect distance for my vertical.

Does anyone know how many counties are activated or the routes of the mobiles?


Title: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: N5NA on September 11, 2009, 07:37:11 AM
I'd be surprised if there's much, if any, activity.  Their web page doesn't have any info about the QSO party other than their standing rules.  It takes promotion to have a good state QSO party.

73,

Alan  N5NA
http://qsoparty.eqth.net/


Title: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: KD8IZZ on September 11, 2009, 10:54:46 AM
I noticed that myself. Most state parties list the activated counties, thus my question. I need a lot of AR counties so I will listening and calling most of the day, but luckily there are two other contests this weekend.

Just got a 5 element beam for 6 meters, for my first VHF contest.


Title: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: W5ESE on September 14, 2009, 08:34:44 AM
Looks like you all were right.

I had fun in the event, but all my contacts were
with one very dedicated mobile station (all on
40m; AR is too close for 20m for me)! Maybe other
stations were just on 20m?

AR is an interesting state, with lots of
interesting features (the Hot Springs, Ozarks,
Mississippi River, etc). It's a pity to not
see more vitality in their state QSO party.

Might help a bit if the AR stations were allowed
to work each other, too.

73
Scott
W5ESE


Title: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: KD8IZZ on September 15, 2009, 10:38:34 AM
I had one AR QSO, and it was to an AM operator who wasn't in the contest. My first AM QSO!


Title: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: KB3LIX on September 15, 2009, 12:05:13 PM
I heard VERY LITTLE activity out of Arkansas.

Want to work two DECENT QSO Parties with
LOTS of activity and LOTS of counties active ???

California October 3 & 4

And the BEST QSO Party of them all:

PENNSYLVANIA  October 10 & 11


Title: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: W5DQ on September 22, 2009, 02:19:48 PM
We had planned to combine the ARRL VHF Contest and the AR QSO Party into one event but while I was in AR from Sept 8th thru 18th, a load of problems prevented it. Car issues and the fact it rained everyday, almost all day long for most of the time really put a damper (no pun intended) on our efforts. Only time I saw the sun was a few minutes on the afternoon on the 14th. Myself and a couple buddies attended the Queen Wilhelmena Hamfest atop Rich Mountain near Mena, AR with plans to do the VHF contest from a old fire tower lookout point high above the surrounding terrain. I had worked Field Day from that spot in 2006 and worked almost 50 grids on 6M with a loop and 100W. This time we had 6M thru 1.2Ghz but the rain and storms were too much. Maybe next year we'll be there putting EM24 on the air on 6M and Polk County on other bands.

Gene W5DQ

with
Steve NS0M
Jerry NR4VT


Title: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: AD5WI on October 23, 2009, 03:28:55 PM
Sorry to hear that there was such a poor showing from the Arkansas hams. I had planned on sitting here at the radio and operating the entire event from Benton Co. but the day before found out about an illness in the family and hit the road for LA. Then spent some time with my oldest son. If nothing happens next year look for me on ssb and cw.

73 to all, Mark AD5WI


Title: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: N5NA on October 25, 2009, 11:25:44 AM
I wonder if there will be an AR QSO Party next year?  

There was absolutely ZERO effort by the sponsor to promote the QSO party this year.  The only reference to the QSO party on the website was a link to the "standing rules" and that link was taken down just a few days after this year's QSO party.

I'm originally from El Dorado in Union County and am interested in the AR QSO Party so it's disappointing to me that no one in AR is interested.


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: K5END on May 10, 2010, 10:40:33 AM
I wonder if there will be an AR QSO Party next year?  

There was absolutely ZERO effort by the sponsor to promote the QSO party this year.  The only reference to the QSO party on the website was a link to the "standing rules" and that link was taken down just a few days after this year's QSO party.

I'm originally from El Dorado in Union County and am interested in the AR QSO Party so it's disappointing to me that no one in AR is interested.

Well, I see they have their standing rules back up, but otherwise little information.

I hope they at least have the contest and if so I would probably go mobile for AR QSOP September 2010.

My hope is to get one or 2 QSOPs in and get more experience before the TXQP in late September.

Kansas and Colorado QPs are on weekends during August and September also. If they don't have ARQP I may do Kansas. It's a long drive from Houston to anywhere in CO.

My OKQP 2009 was my first mobile, and was a lot of fun.

TXQP 2009 was a rush, and I placed low my category. Not bad for a beginner, hi. At least I got a score that was not so low as to be embarrassing. Part of my problem is I screwed up the score submittal and actually scored better than I had thought.

My OKQP in 2010 was beset by logging problems, but at least this year I had a dandy antenna that works very well (HiQ.)

One of these times I might even get a competitive score.

But for now I'm having fun.

When you go into a "rare" county and call CQ, you will find yourself under a pile up.

It's a lot more fun to be at the bottom of a pile up than outside trying to get in.

Hope AR does a QP this year. Let me know. I just drove thru AR back and forth to around Memphis a couple weeks ago.


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: N5NA on May 10, 2010, 03:09:20 PM
Well, I see they have their standing rules back up, but otherwise little information.

I was just looking on the ARKAN website and didn't see anything about the ARQP.  The rules do come up if you do a Google search.

For logging you need to check out CQ/X by NO5W if you haven't already.  It's way cool for mobile QSO party logging!

Alan



Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: AD5WI on May 10, 2010, 04:03:50 PM
If there is a ARQP this year look for me. Unless something comes up I'll be roving around the north of the state. My plans right now are to work my way east along the AR/MO border for half a day, then drop down one county and work back west. Will be operating cw so you speed demons will have to slow down cause I'm a code crawler, around 16-18 wpm, if your going too fast I'll skip you for the next one.

I don't know how many counties I'll get to, I'll have to set up & take down each county, but any is better than none.

Not a super mobile contest station, just a FT-840 and a MP-1 antenna, and a borrowed deep cycle battery for power.

Hope for the best.

73, Mark AD5WI


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: K5END on May 10, 2010, 04:33:53 PM
For logging you need to check out CQ/X by NO5W if you haven't already.  It's way cool for mobile QSO party logging!

Thanks. CQ/X is all I've ever used. Chuck has done FB for TQP, and is the Elmer who inspired me to try contesting.


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: N5NA on May 11, 2010, 07:35:42 AM
Thanks. CQ/X is all I've ever used. Chuck has done FB for TQP, and is the Elmer who inspired me to try contesting.

Oh yeah, I forgot you'd done a review of CQ/X!  It just keeps on getting better!



Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: N5NA on May 11, 2010, 07:41:25 AM
If there is a ARQP this year look for me.

Mark, thanks for the QSO's in the NM & TX QSO parties.  I hear you quite a bit in the other state QSO parties too.  Since you're in AR maybe you could contact the ARKAN folks and offer to help coordinate the ARQP.  Apparently there is no one in that group that is particularly interested in actively promoting the ARQP.  Without someone promoting a QP and recruiting mobiles the activity level is usually low to non-existent.

Alan


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: K5END on May 11, 2010, 09:05:45 AM
My plans right now are to work my way east along the AR/MO border for half a day, then drop down one county and work back west.
73, Mark AD5WI

Mark, if you take that route, I'll probably start at Texarkana and work the West side and turn right to work counties North of I-30 and I-40 over toward Memphis. It depends largely on whether I get a driver or if I have to stop and operate in each county.



Open question to anyone who knows:

Besides promotion, defining the rules, judging the scores and announcing or awarding the winners, what else is required minimally for a QSOP? Other than participants, I mean!

It seems to me that evaluting the logs and judging scores is the most critical task. Without those, there is no QP. It's just a bunch of QSOs, right?

It's hard for me to understand why State and Mobile QSOP seems to be such an arcane niche.

Sure, it takes an enormous amount of preparation and problem solving to build a moveable contest station, and there can be some frustration in that technical effort, but it is still a lot of fun. For me it is like a road trip for the sake of a road trip combined with a contest.

NO5W and crew did some really cool stuff in OKQP this year (aside from a whopping score, that is.) They had set up APRS and some kinda google map kml thingy so that anyone with internet could watch them on the map in real time as they drove the planned route. They also had live streaming video from the vehicle as they drove the route. Chuck has a funny story about an exchange during the contest after they needed to avoid snowbound roads. It may be on the contesting soapbox.

And guys like Scott W5ESE have found a really cool niche by backpacking to the middle of nowhere in the Texas desert mountains and setting up wire antennas to do the contest QRP. How cool is that? Very few things get much better than a weekend like that.

Heck, even for those not who are proficient or competitive contesters (like me for example,) it is still a huge blast.

I guess it's something you have to try before you realize how much fun it is. Glad I did.




Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: W5ESE on May 16, 2010, 11:09:43 AM
Open question to anyone who knows:

Besides promotion, defining the rules, judging the scores and announcing or awarding the winners, what else is required minimally for a QSOP? Other than participants, I mean!

It seems to me that evaluting the logs and judging scores is the most critical task. Without those, there is no QP. It's just a bunch of QSOs, right?

I think fundraising or soliciting award sponsors can require a lot of effort.

And if the sponsor does full log adjudication (checking every entry in
every log, like NO5W does for TQP), that can require a lot of effort.
NARS even types in all the TQP paper logs.

I think some of the smaller state QSO parties don't do full log checking,
but it's becoming more common.

It's hard for me to understand why State and Mobile QSOP seems to be such an arcane niche.

Sure, it takes an enormous amount of preparation and problem solving to build a moveable contest station, and there can be some frustration in that technical effort, but it is still a lot of fun. For me it is like a road trip for the sake of a road trip combined with a contest.

Got to agree with you on that.

I tried to drum up interest in TQP among some in the Austin area, but
found it to be tough. I'm unsure if I persuaded even one other op to get
on the air.

More than a few folks are interested in VHF/FM and Public Service only.

Others aren't interested unless there's a lot of DX to be worked.

For some, the limitations of their station mean that it may be difficult
to complete many contacts. My own home station is quite modest,
and only the fact that I'm "mostly morse" enables me to complete as
many contacts as I do.

State QSO parties even seem to appeal only to a few of the "big
time" contesters. There are several big contest stations in central
Texas, but few of them do TQP.

What fraction of NARS members do TQP?

And guys like Scott W5ESE have found a really cool niche by backpacking to the middle of nowhere in the Texas desert mountains and setting up wire antennas to do the contest QRP. How cool is that? Very few things get much better than a weekend like that.

Thanks, I'm glad that the style in which I participated in TQP appeals to
you, too. I sure have enjoyed it.

I've tried to encourage other QRP ops to participate in state QSO parties
that way by writing up a little puff piece about my adventures for the QRP
Quarterly. It made it into the Spring issue this year.

Hope to hear you in the TQP 2010!

73
Scott W5ESE


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: N5NA on May 16, 2010, 12:00:19 PM
I tried to drum up interest in TQP among some in the Austin area, but found it to be tough. I'm unsure if I persuaded even one other op to get on the air.

Same out here in WTX.  I tried to get some interest last year with a presentation to our club but no one in my club entered except for me.  We have several HF mobile ops I thought might give it a try.

BTW - Congratulations on winning First Place, Outside New Mexico, Single Operator in the NMQP!

73,  Alan  N5NA


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: K5END on May 16, 2010, 01:52:17 PM
My plans right now are to work my way east along the AR/MO border for half a day, then drop down one county and work back west.
73, Mark AD5WI

Mark, if you take that route, I'll probably start at Texarkana and work the West side and turn right to work counties North of I-30 and I-40 over toward Memphis. It depends largely on whether I get a driver or if I have to stop and operate in each county.


Well, it looks like I have successfully bribed the XYL into driving for me in AR QSOP this year.
Now I really hope they have the contest, or my bribe will have been for naught.

Still working on getting a TQP 2010 driver. We may have to remodel the kitchen to make that happen.



Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: K5END on May 16, 2010, 02:01:54 PM

What fraction of NARS members do TQP?


Quite a few, although I don't have a percentage. Chuck would have the exact number.


Hope to hear you in the TQP 2010!

73
Scott W5ESE


Likewise!

Last year I was limited to 20 meters so I made few near contacts and zero in Texas. Had exchanges with Europe, but none in Texas. Weird how that works. Also had some technical problems with PC interfacing and only operated a fraction of the time.

This year I have a much better mobile antenna and may have found the gremlins. Now if I could only improve my skills. :-)

73
Larry K5END


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: W5ESE on May 19, 2010, 07:33:11 AM

BTW - Congratulations on winning First Place, Outside New Mexico, Single Operator in the NMQP!

73,  Alan  N5NA

Thanks, Alan; I owe a great many of my contacts in that contest to you.
Over 1/3 of them; in fact!

I was running QRP, and am still amazed that you could hear me while mobile in
Rio Arriba County (N of Santa Fe), on 80m! That must have been near-ESP!

I hoped to work you in TxQP when you were in CULB, but I was probably on
20m at the time.

73
Scott W5ESE


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: N3AWS on May 22, 2010, 02:41:20 AM
I have enjoyed QSO Parties since the 70's.  PA, GA, and FL are my favorites and I've operated mobile QRP in the GA and FL Parties. 

I think the states with less hams should consider Regional QSO Parties with similar rules to increase participation.

73,

Jim N3AWS


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: N5NA on May 29, 2010, 06:58:20 PM
ARKAN has posted a summary of the 2010 rules on their website.  Looks like a few changes.

For one, there are no multipliers.  The score is just the sum of the QSO points.  I don't think I've ever seen any QSO party rules in which the counties aren't multipliers.  Pretty strange.


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: KD8IZZ on May 30, 2010, 04:05:22 PM
I have enjoyed QSO Parties since the 70's.  PA, GA, and FL are my favorites and I've operated mobile QRP in the GA and FL Parties. 

I think the states with less hams should consider Regional QSO Parties with similar rules to increase participation.

73,

Jim N3AWS

Maybe Arkansas and Missouri could be the same weekend. They have similar beam pointings, and MO is popular. That could help Arkansas get some activity from the searching side. Just my 2 cents.


Title: RE: Arkansas QSO Party
Post by: AD5WI on May 31, 2010, 05:08:40 AM
I agree with N5NA, strange changes to the rules. I'll be nice and say maybe they are still working on the rules and will be updated by Sept.

73, Mark