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Title: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 06, 2012, 12:29:40 AM
QUOTE:

"Host and moderator Natalie Jacobson asked an increasingly-agitated Governor Romney questions about communications interoperability, and communication without commercial power. Romney was next asked by Jacobson, "...so does it come down to ham radio?..."
The Governor replied in a disgusted tone, "No, we don't need to deal with ham radio operators..."
Embarrassed public safety officials later tried to put in a good word for Amateur Radio. National Weather Service Warning Coordination Meteorologist Glenn Field was prepared to state the importance of Amateur Radio, when Salvation Army Colonel Fred Van Brunt was called upon. Van Brunt remarked about his organization's quest to improve its communications capabilities and how Amateur Radio has aided his organization. "The ham radio situation helps a great deal," he stated."

END QUOTE..

This governor thinks his rear doesn't stink and says it with arrogance. Mean while for the last hundred plus years Amateur Radio (Ham Radio) has been more than a pillar in this countries dark years when in need and around the world. We're always prepared to run towards the fire not asking for nothing in return and he dismiss's it with no regard.

The fact that he over looks our devotion, dedication and commitment to God and country is an insult. Lets not forget the image not only as Americans but from hams all across the world that represent "Ambassadors of Good Will".

I believe once you make a statement like that it's what you believe in and no PR representative can fix that error.

Every ham around the world needs to make sure our government officials don't get to comfortable on their high horse. Every now and then we need to remind them we do vote and quite many of us can vote quite differently if they over look us and take us for granted. Attitudes like this can lead to future changes not in favor of frequencies allocated to us.

Write or E-Mail Gov. Romney's office addressing his comment. You don't have to be an American to speak out in which if needed in other countries I'd gladly protest the same. A ham is a ham no matter what part of the world your in. We stand together!!!

What do you think?

Article can be found here: http://ema.arrl.org/node/802

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2EY on January 06, 2012, 04:11:11 AM
It just shows what he thinks of us. Even as a back-up resource.

And yet hams will vote for him. Go figure.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: NA4IT on January 06, 2012, 04:22:30 AM
I won't vote for him unless he is the one that runs against O, but only because I don't want O back in.

But... you might want to post the actual date of that comment made by him. He did it in 2005.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: NA4IT on January 06, 2012, 04:24:27 AM
What would be funny is if the ARRL had the guts to ask him where he stands now. How much you bet he answers differently?


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 06, 2012, 04:43:41 AM
What would be funny is if the ARRL had the guts to ask him where he stands now. How much you bet he answers differently?

I wouldn't think his opinion has changed since 2005 since I know first hand for a fact Ham's did a HELL of a job during 9/11 2001 here in New York that was absolutely priceless in a crises such as the one we experienced in this nation. Not to mention Katrina so how could he make such a negative comment.

Plus! Assuming he had any actual knowledge of our value historically in the past 100 years then his opinion should've differed given our history world wide during times of crisis.

The fact he might be up for the running this year I think this article needs to remind Ham's world wide let alone here in our country this guy is "not" ham (Amateur Radio) friendly.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 06, 2012, 04:45:17 AM
It just shows what he thinks of us. Even as a back-up resource.

And yet hams will vote for him. Go figure.

73 de Jim, N2EY

We may be a back up these days but we sure weren't this last decade. We were right in the mix with the best of them.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KE4YOG on January 06, 2012, 05:41:26 AM
The reason that ham radio is a wonderful assets is that we are not centralized. Hams in a particular are may be shutdown but hams outside the area of the disaster can be used. Even the hams in the disaster area that have back up power and antenna system could be a great assest by taking stress off the other communication systems. Mr. Romney may need to be shown the importance of ham radio as a hobby that can fill in when an emergency happens. Here in North Carolina hams are ready to assist during our number one disaster which is hurricanes. Winds could damage all communication systems in an area but hams with our knowledge and equipment could get communication with the state emergency command center in a matter of hours.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 06, 2012, 05:49:39 AM
The reason that ham radio is a wonderful assets is that we are not centralized. Hams in a particular are may be shutdown but hams outside the area of the disaster can be used. Even the hams in the disaster area that have back up power and antenna system could be a great assest by taking stress off the other communication systems. Mr. Romney may need to be shown the importance of ham radio as a hobby that can fill in when an emergency happens. Here in North Carolina hams are ready to assist during our number one disaster which is hurricanes. Winds could damage all communication systems in an area but hams with our knowledge and equipment could get communication with the state emergency command center in a matter of hours.

We're also self sufficient in some ways and don't depend on government for information in form of their communication. Maybe he doesn't like we don't have to depend on them entirely.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2EY on January 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
I won't vote for him unless he is the one that runs against O, but only because I don't want O back in.

How would Romney be any different?

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: AK4KZ on January 06, 2012, 09:32:27 AM
I'm not gonna let it bother me. To say that he relies on hams might lead to questions about whether or not existing services were adequate. If he was growing aggravated with the interview already, I'm not going to write much into a potentially rash statement.

Personally, I don't care if he didn't like me personally and singled me out as being a useless waste of skin. If he can do the job well, I don't need him to pander to my vanity. I don't suspect I'll get invited to the White House either way.

73,
Chris
AK4KZ


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on January 06, 2012, 09:43:27 AM
  I always suspected that Romney was a CBer.  This confirms it!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 06, 2012, 12:03:49 PM
I'm not gonna let it bother me. To say that he relies on hams might lead to questions about whether or not existing services were adequate. If he was growing aggravated with the interview already, I'm not going to write much into a potentially rash statement.

Personally, I don't care if he didn't like me personally and singled me out as being a useless waste of skin. If he can do the job well, I don't need him to pander to my vanity. I don't suspect I'll get invited to the White House either way.

73,
Chris
AK4KZ

Good points Chris and good advice except if he can't handle an interview such as that one imagine one under more extreme pressure. Giving the benefit of a doubt that he may have been having a bad day unfortunately is not my problem neither do I care. He should always act professional.

I'm not trying to impose on him or anyone that one has to feel the need to have a ham to be dependent on but show a little appreciation. If he doesn't know how valuable we could be or have been in the past he should check himself before speaking.

Just feel he could have responded very differently and appropriately.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: AK4KZ on January 06, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
Good points Chris and good advice except if he can't handle an interview such as that one imagine one under more extreme pressure. Giving the benefit of a doubt that he may have been having a bad day unfortunately is not my problem neither do I care. He should always act professional.

I'm not trying to impose on him or anyone that one has to feel the need to have a ham to be dependent on but show a little appreciation. If he doesn't know how valuable we could be or have been in the past he should check himself before speaking.

Just feel he could have responded very differently and appropriately.

73!

Yeah, that would've been nice but.. meh.. stuff happens. Who knows? Maybe he had a gastro-intestinal problem or maybe an awkward itch or something and was in a hurry to get someplace to deal with it. Just hard to tell. Heck, I've been slighted by people I actually care about.

Besides.. I hear he's a CBer  ;D


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KA2UUP on January 06, 2012, 01:30:54 PM
Geeeeez!!!!   :-\ This is old news, and the editorial comments look like they came out from the Boston "Blob", the New York "Slimes" or the Washington "Com"post.  This happened 6-7 years ago when Romney wasn't even thinking seriously about running for President.  I saw the broadcast myself on Channel 5 in Boston and attributed his comment as ignorant of the capabilities of ham radio.  Maybe he should have consulted Gov. Pataki on the subject.  George Pataki is an active ham operator, BTW, for those that don't know.

However, seeing the reaction of some in this thread, makes me wonder of the way people think about some politicians.  To think that a simple comment due to a lack of understanding of the Amateur Radio Service will disqualify a person from becoming President makes me shudder.  I think we all agree that our Great Nation has problems that need to be solved that are bigger that just one narrow issue like ARS.  If we are basing our decision at the ballot box on an ignorant comment like that, then, God, help us!!!!

73 and have a wonderful day!!!!! ;)

Bert @ KA2UUP


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 06, 2012, 02:04:52 PM
Geeeeez!!!!   :-\ This is old news, and the editorial comments look like they came out from the Boston "Blob", the New York "Slimes" or the Washington "Com"post.  This happened 6-7 years ago when Romney wasn't even thinking seriously about running for President.  I saw the broadcast myself on Channel 5 in Boston and attributed his comment as ignorant of the capabilities of ham radio.  Maybe he should have consulted Gov. Pataki on the subject.  George Pataki is an active ham operator, BTW, for those that don't know.

However, seeing the reaction of some in this thread, makes me wonder of the way people think about some politicians.  To think that a simple comment due to a lack of understanding of the Amateur Radio Service will disqualify a person from becoming President makes me shudder.  I think we all agree that our Great Nation has problems that need to be solved that are bigger that just one narrow issue like ARS.  If we are basing our decision at the ballot box on an ignorant comment like that, then, God, help us!!!!

73 and have a wonderful day!!!!! ;)

Bert @ KA2UUP

Maybe I don't like him because he's a politician and because he's a CB'er. ;)

I was sent an email two days ago about this and it was the first I heard of it. Guess I'm really late on this topic but maybe we need a reminder for those who didn't hear about it like me.

I'm still gonna send him an email as a reminder in case be has a different point of view. If your passionate about this hobby like I I'm sure it's gotta ruffle some feathers.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KE4YOG on January 06, 2012, 02:36:33 PM
Mr. Romney also may have meant we dont to have to use ham radio. That could also mean that he wants a communication system that can withstand anything. I am not sure but having a strong community of people that has the knowledge that is in the ham community reminds me what a prisoner told me. He said "Sarge it is better to have a shank and not need it than to need it and not have." Words of wisdom from a man serve 2 life sentences but so very true.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on January 06, 2012, 03:33:00 PM
Besides that piece being old news, it is well known that that clown has been 'considering' running for President ever since he was Governor of Massachusetts.  He just doesn't have the b*lls to continue to try if he gets shown up--which he has been several times.

The people of Mass. know what a screw up he is--and I would be EXTREMELY surprised if he took even ten percent of this state's vote.  He fowled the works up in this state--and then publicly stated that he had run for Governor just as a stepping stone to get to the Presidency and quit.  As a result, the Mass. Lieutenant Governor became Governor--but Romney fowled up the campaign and lost the nomination anyway.

If that bozo gets into the White House, this country is going further into the crapper for sure.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 06, 2012, 07:03:36 PM
Besides that piece being old news, it is well known that that clown has been 'considering' running for President ever since he was Governor of Massachusetts.  He just doesn't have the b*lls to continue to try if he gets shown up--which he has been several times.

The people of Mass. know what a screw up he is--and I would be EXTREMELY surprised if he took even ten percent of this state's vote.  He fowled the works up in this state--and then publicly stated that he had run for Governor just as a stepping stone to get to the Presidency and quit.  As a result, the Mass. Lieutenant Governor became Governor--but Romney fowled up the campaign and lost the nomination anyway.

If that bozo gets into the White House, this country is going further into the crapper for sure.

Even more fuel to make my point what an idiot he is to have made such a comment. Proves again he can't handle a local television interview he sure as HELL isn't gonna be able to handle the White House let alone governor.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KU2US on January 06, 2012, 09:24:22 PM
I will vote for anyone apposing BO including Mickey Mouse, BUT, I also vote in the primary's and will not vote for Romney after this remark. He said this 7 years ago? OK, it was a freudian slip (What he really believes). Now, I wonder how Santorum feels about us! We know BO wants the FCC to control the internet too! So which way do we turn! Time to stock up on food, ammo and antenna wire!      ;D


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N4NYY on January 07, 2012, 06:06:54 AM
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I won't vote for him unless he is the one that runs against O, but only because I don't want O back in.

I will not vote for Romney, especially now after this quote. The one thing that concerns me about this crop of conservative candidates, is that the republican party constituents cannot seem to decide on a candidate. There has been a musical chairs of candidates leading in the polls. And that is a big concern, considering that I am looking for an alternate to O.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N4NYY on January 07, 2012, 08:07:34 AM
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Geeeeez!!!!   Undecided This is old news, and the editorial comments look like they came out from the Boston "Blob", the New York "Slimes" or the Washington "Com"post.  This happened 6-7 years ago when Romney wasn't even thinking seriously about running for President.

And that is my biggest concern. Since he was not pandering, he must have been serious. Think about it.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: AA4PB on January 07, 2012, 10:12:26 AM
Yup, what someone thinks about ham radio ranks right up there as "the" top issue when selecting a president.  :-\  The economy, dept, and healthcare pale in comparison.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N4NYY on January 07, 2012, 10:41:26 AM
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Yup, what someone thinks about ham radio ranks right up there as "the" top issue when selecting a president.  Undecided  The economy, dept, and healthcare pale in comparison.

Those issues are there for every candidate, including Romney. If the economy is good, healthcare costs are low, and debt is kept in check, then the person looks like a genius. if those are not doing well, then the person looks like a failure.

If anyone if going to tell me that those issues are not on the top of the list of EVERY candidate, they they are a fool. It's the secondary issues that sets them apart.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on January 07, 2012, 11:00:41 AM
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I won't vote for him unless he is the one that runs against O, but only because I don't want O back in.

I will not vote for Romney, especially now after this quote. The one thing that concerns me about this crop of conservative candidates, is that the republican party constituents cannot seem to decide on a candidate. There has been a musical chairs of candidates leading in the polls. And that is a big concern, considering that I am looking for an alternate to O.

Romney is really loaded/rich (I hear his worth over 100 mil) so this is kinda a game to him. I think GOP can do better but historically it is tougher to defeat a incumbent and losing in a presidential election kinda tarnishes credentials for future ventures so some of the smarter ones are staying out of race.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K3WEC on January 07, 2012, 12:42:25 PM
This seems like much ado over nothing.   


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KD8GTP on January 07, 2012, 05:55:07 PM
Yup, what someone thinks about ham radio ranks right up there as "the" top issue when selecting a president.  :-\  The economy, dept, and healthcare pale in comparison.


I agree. The hell with the economy and jobs.  As long as the candidate likes ham radio he gets my vote :)

Bart


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N4NYY on January 07, 2012, 06:48:05 PM
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I agree. The hell with the economy and jobs.  As long as the candidate likes ham radio he gets my vote Smiley

Oh, I did not know he had the fix for it. Seems like everyone has the fix.

The bottom line is that he won't fix the economy. His advisers would. He would just get the credit. But as I said. That is a top button issue for all candidates. Why is he special?


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 07, 2012, 07:09:12 PM
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I won't vote for him unless he is the one that runs against O, but only because I don't want O back in.

I will not vote for Romney, especially now after this quote. The one thing that concerns me about this crop of conservative candidates, is that the republican party constituents cannot seem to decide on a candidate. There has been a musical chairs of candidates leading in the polls. And that is a big concern, considering that I am looking for an alternate to O.

Romney is really loaded/rich (I hear his worth over 100 mil) so this is kinda a game to him. I think GOP can do better but historically it is tougher to defeat a incumbent and losing in a presidential election kinda tarnishes credentials for future ventures so some of the smarter ones are staying out of race.

I agree 100%!

What does a multi millionaire know anything about our poor/middle class woes if be wasn't a self made millionaire? Nothing!!

It is just a game for people like him.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on January 07, 2012, 11:18:55 PM
Mr. Romney also may have meant we dont to have to use ham radio. That could also mean that he wants a communication system that can withstand anything.
That's seems to be what he meant - our daily emergency communications shouldn't have to turn to amateur radio just because of a power failure. We can't be 100% sure if he meant he'd never use amateur radio even if the situation got so bad that the fail-safe system fails, unless we look closer at if he spoke about it at other occasions. However, the official word from the campaign, is that he recognizes the role of amateur radio, but was speaking about hardening the emergency response infrastructure, so it appears you can vote for Romney with good conciseness if the only issue is amateur radio.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on January 08, 2012, 09:53:07 AM


Maybe I don't like him because he's a politician and because he's a CB'er. ;)

I was sent an email two days ago about this and it was the first I heard of it. Guess I'm really late on this topic but maybe we need a reminder for those who didn't hear about it like me.

I'm still gonna send him an email as a reminder in case be has a different point of view. If your passionate about this hobby like I I'm sure it's gotta ruffle some feathers.

73!                                                                                                             
[/quote]  I could most likely overlook the fact that Romney was a CBer, as long as he stays within the CB band limits and keeps his power under 5 Watts.  However, if information came out that he is a freebander, then I doubt that any self respecting ham could vote for him!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: NN4RH on January 08, 2012, 08:05:43 PM
This seems like much ado over nothing.   

Yeah. Really, who friggin gives a hoot what any prez candidate thinks about ham radio. There are bigger issues with the country.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on January 09, 2012, 06:11:03 AM
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Geeeeez!!!!   Undecided This is old news, and the editorial comments look like they came out from the Boston "Blob", the New York "Slimes" or the Washington "Com"post.  This happened 6-7 years ago when Romney wasn't even thinking seriously about running for President.

And that is my biggest concern. Since he was not pandering, he must have been serious. Think about it.

But he WAS pandering, and this piece was part of an interview he did the first time he was 'considering' a run for the presidency.  To add to the insult, this interview was a discussion about how emergency situations were handled by the government.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on January 09, 2012, 06:12:45 AM
Mr. Romney also may have meant we dont to have to use ham radio. That could also mean that he wants a communication system that can withstand anything.
That's seems to be what he meant - our daily emergency communications shouldn't have to turn to amateur radio just because of a power failure. We can't be 100% sure if he meant he'd never use amateur radio even if the situation got so bad that the fail-safe system fails, unless we look closer at if he spoke about it at other occasions. However, the official word from the campaign, is that he recognizes the role of amateur radio, but was speaking about hardening the emergency response infrastructure, so it appears you can vote for Romney with good conciseness if the only issue is amateur radio.


You can guess all day, but you'll still be guessing.  See my last post.  BTW, I believe his exact words were something like 'We don't need ham radio.'


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K7RBW on January 09, 2012, 06:52:59 AM
I wouldn't vote for Mitt in any event, but, in all fairness, while he may have uttered the words "we don't need ham radio," the context of the question that answer are such that you really can't read much into it. When pressed for clarification, later, he (his office) said that they were trying to say that they were building an emergency response capability that would not need to rely on ham radio (i.e. be self- sufficient), however, they still understood the need for ham radio as a backup to that system.

Of course, Gov. Mitt, like so many other candidates for public office, has been know to say whatever he thinks will resonate with his audience so who knows what he "really" means.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: WA4VBC on January 09, 2012, 08:31:07 AM
I know those hams involved with "emergency communications" don't want to hear it , but the honest truth is that ham radio is not needed as it was back years ago.  Most government agencies now have much better equipment than the average ham and hams are not the only ones that have expertise in radio related equipment.   A ham station with no emergency power or someone with only a hand held radio will not be needed during a real emergency.  Just my opinion and I am sure others disagree. 


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on January 09, 2012, 12:56:11 PM
Mr. Romney also may have meant we dont to have to use ham radio. That could also mean that he wants a communication system that can withstand anything.
That's seems to be what he meant - our daily emergency communications shouldn't have to turn to amateur radio just because of a power failure. We can't be 100% sure if he meant he'd never use amateur radio even if the situation got so bad that the fail-safe system fails, unless we look closer at if he spoke about it at other occasions. However, the official word from the campaign, is that he recognizes the role of amateur radio, but was speaking about hardening the emergency response infrastructure, so it appears you can vote for Romney with good conciseness if the only issue is amateur radio.


You can guess all day, but you'll still be guessing.  See my last post.  BTW, I believe his exact words were something like 'We don't need ham radio.'
  Just what we don't need, a President who will tell the FCC to cut our frequencies!!   :(   Guaranteed that a CBer like Romney will move to expand the CB band down to 80 Meters.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on January 10, 2012, 01:06:10 AM
1: Candidate wants resilient emergency communication systems that will work even if the power goes out.
2: ?? ?? 
3: Candidate will shut down amateur radio.

I think you panic guys skipped a logical step there.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KN4X on January 10, 2012, 07:37:41 AM
Ignorance in it's PUREST form.   :(

I don't think Mitt Romney understands the role that AR has, and still does play in Emergency Communications, plain and simple.  It's just another example of our need to continue to educate our elected "elite" rulers.

God help us all if this is the best we can find to be our leader.

David
KN4X


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on January 10, 2012, 08:20:07 AM
I suspect step 2 is "RON PAUL!!!1!"


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KC2EIW on January 10, 2012, 08:28:02 AM
We need Barry Goldwater back!  Seriously, I could care less what this clown thinks of amateur radio, his ignorance speaks for itself.  Ham radio will still be around when this idiot is a small historical footnote.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: AJ4YQ on January 10, 2012, 08:53:29 AM
Sadly, I think that even the door knob is better than what we have now, so if it's the doorknob, I'm voting for it. 

73
AJ4YQ


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 10, 2012, 03:19:29 PM
I wouldn't vote for Mitt in any event, but, in all fairness, while he may have uttered the words "we don't need ham radio," the context of the question that answer are such that you really can't read much into it. When pressed for clarification, later, he (his office) said that they were trying to say that they were building an emergency response capability that would not need to rely on ham radio (i.e. be self- sufficient), however, they still understood the need for ham radio as a backup to that system.

Of course, Gov. Mitt, like so many other candidates for public office, has been know to say whatever he thinks will resonate with his audience so who knows what he "really" means.

I didn't mean for this to be a electoral debate for presidency but I guess a reminder ,or news flash for the ones that missed it like myself. Since it has become a political topic which I guess was inevitable let's think about this.

1. He needed his office to "clarify" what really means "clean up his screw up comment" to make peace with the millions of Ham's which can be possible votes.

2. He wants to build a structure that replace's Ham's for emergency use.

As an elected official in these times you don't want him/her to look for a way to spend more money in our devastated economy to increase the deficit.

Does it make sense to create more of a deficit by building something at cost when an alternative already in place that has no negatives that has worked for over a hundred years at no cost be done away with? HELLLOOOOO!!!

If government needed secret messages passed in time of emergency I'm sure they have something in place. As for state/city emergency communications the equipment used is not ,and will not be any more high tech than what we have now. Not to mention they'll probably turn to more digital crap and wind up leaving something out.

Going back to needing his office to clarify his screw up. Do we really need someone who can't clarify for himself. He's always been looked at as not the sharpest tool in the shed and now I know why.

Someone said Ham's are not needed anymore for emergency communications. That was a dumb ass comment because as seen in very recent times in this country alone with Katrina and 9/11 they sure were needed no questions asked.

They weren't only used for Red Cross and FEMA but the city of New York FDNY, NYPD and EMS surely needed them to transport and direct via communication all of them from all over the world all over the city.

73!



Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on January 11, 2012, 05:44:30 AM
That is what is known as spin, pure and simple--that is, the governor's spokesperson explaning what he actually meant.  It is otherwise known as the spokesperson pulling the governors foot--and shoe out of his mouth.  On second thought, not his mouth--his throat!

That's what is to remember here--Romney has foot in mouth disease.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KC9TNH on January 11, 2012, 10:35:15 AM
That's what is to remember here--Romney has foot in mouth disease.
The all get innoculated with it when they decide to run. He's a wanker, but whoever's left to run against the current resident at the White House will get my vote. I will not let my Amateur ticket stand on ceremony over an ill-considered comment by someone who probably didn't understand what he was talking about & probably thought Amateur Radio means CB or Walwart bubble-paks.

Shakespeare's Much Ado about Nothing.




Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on January 11, 2012, 11:09:37 AM
Perhaps the ARRL should ask Romney to publicly clarify his statement, just for the record.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K3WEC on January 11, 2012, 03:23:13 PM
I sincerely hope, and guarantee, that no presidential candidate is worrying about amateur radio right now.   It is likely, on par with most citizens, that none of them really know what it is, and that's fine by me.   Although it won't happen in the long term, I'd like to see them concern themselves with subjects infinitely more important to the country.   Amateur radio is first and foremost a hobby.  Of course it has its place in emergencies, but so do many hobbies.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on January 12, 2012, 11:19:51 AM
I sincerely hope, and guarantee, that no presidential candidate is worrying about amateur radio right now.   It is likely, on par with most citizens, that none of them really know what it is, and that's fine by me.   Although it won't happen in the long term, I'd like to see them concern themselves with subjects infinitely more important to the country.   Amateur radio is first and foremost a hobby.  Of course it has its place in emergencies, but so do many hobbies.
    True, but not like ours!  What other hobby could take credit for the thousands of lives that have been saved by amateur radio operators over the last century?


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 12, 2012, 01:52:05 PM
I sincerely hope, and guarantee, that no presidential candidate is worrying about amateur radio right now.   It is likely, on par with most citizens, that none of them really know what it is, and that's fine by me.   Although it won't happen in the long term, I'd like to see them concern themselves with subjects infinitely more important to the country.   Amateur radio is first and foremost a hobby.  Of course it has its place in emergencies, but so do many hobbies.
    True, but not like ours!  What other hobby could take credit for the thousands of lives that have been saved by amateur radio operators over the last century?

EXACTLY!!

It has a unique commitment to patriotism for it's countries people, community and life. No other hobby offers that same ability to make a detremental difference in an emergency.

It's also that last bit of difference of freedom of speech to be heard. Not restricted by media or being at jeopardy of restrictions by government. It's value of technical education lays the foundation for future generations. You have to understand the basics and origin of communication to progress.

It's more than just a hobby if you look at the whole picture. If you don't see that then your just an appliance operator that don't understand much of anything. Same reason why most appliance operators are to lazy to operate CW. It's too easy for you people to push the mic PTT button and call it "just a hobby" than learn CW and call it "skill".

When you work hard at something it becomes a skill with pride. When you don't it's easily thrown to the side like a pair of skates and call it a hobby. So keep skating through this hobby and if you ever loose the privilege of frequency band spectrum and rely on government media speaking for you maybe you'll realize the "value" this so called hobby has.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K3WEC on January 12, 2012, 02:25:13 PM
  True, but not like ours!  What other hobby could take credit for the thousands of lives that have been saved by amateur radio operators over the last century?

I guess piloting, boating, diving, and many others have saved a similar number if not more...but again, I'm not disputing that amateur radio has its place in emergencies.   What I am saying is that I think it's a little overboard to go off on this guy (tool or not) for something he said 7 years ago about a subject he likely knew little about.   I'm not fond of him either, but it's not because of some years-old silly statement about ham radio.   He is a politician and if I could be assured that his old statement about a hobby is the worst thing he'd do in office I'd be TICKLED to vote for him.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K3WEC on January 12, 2012, 02:37:29 PM
It's more than just a hobby if you look at the whole picture. If you don't see that then your just an appliance operator that don't understand much of anything. Same reason why most appliance operators are to lazy to operate CW. It's too easy for you people to push the mic PTT button and call it "just a hobby" than learn CW and call it "skill".

I realize that was probably a shot at me and that's OK.  My newest HF rig is a 40 year old boatanchor and I'm not terribly interested in VHF and higher.   I have an engineering degree.  Although I'm certainly not even close to being the electronics and operating whiz that a lot of hams are, I'm interested and learn when I can.  I do much more listening than talking.  I know CW.   Certainly there's an enormous amount of skill amongst amateurs.  However, it is still a hobby.  Oh well, that's all.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on January 14, 2012, 07:16:56 PM
It looks like Romney is the frontrunner for the republican nomination--so far.  Boy, is this country screwed!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on January 15, 2012, 03:55:03 AM
Because apparently, public safety radio sites having redundant power supply will destroy everything that made America great.  ::)


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on January 15, 2012, 06:02:29 AM
It looks like Romney is the frontrunner for the republican nomination--so far.  Boy, is this country screwed!

He is very likely un-electable in general election as he has too much baggage he will not be able to sidestep there. He reminds me of old "snake oil" salesmen.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on January 15, 2012, 07:02:40 AM
It looks like Romney is the frontrunner for the republican nomination--so far.  Boy, is this country screwed!

He is very likely un-electable in general election as he has too much baggage he will not be able to sidestep there. He reminds me of old "snake oil" salesmen.

I was referring to the choice we're likely to have--between Romney and Obama.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: WB4LCN on January 15, 2012, 09:51:55 AM
I saw the interview and it's an old one (2005). Plus, he didn't say that Ham Radio was not needed. He said we don't need to 'deal' with ram radio operators. I saw the context and it's clearly an issue that he's not concerned about. It's not that he has no regard for Ham Radio, it's that he doesn't see it as an issue that needs his attention. I hear that as a positive. It's a Fed issue anyway, not a State one.

It's amazing what some people will read into something when they've made up their political mind.

dave :)


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on January 15, 2012, 10:00:13 AM
I saw the interview and it's an old one (2005). Plus, he didn't say that Ham Radio was not needed. He said we don't need to 'deal' with ram radio operators. I saw the context and it's clearly an issue that he's not concerned about. It's not that he has no regard for Ham Radio, it's that he doesn't see it as an issue that needs his attention. I hear that as a positive. It's a Fed issue anyway, not a State one.

It's amazing what some people will read into something when they've made up their political mind.

dave :)

While is is possible to look at anything more than one one way many feel the true intent is he feels it would be better to sell spectrum for profit if possible because he is a of "vulture" capitalist at heart looking for quick profits regardless of collateral damage caused by it. What I also found interesting is that average return for investors in his company was 50% profit while he took not 100 or even 200 but rather a 600% profit himself.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K3WEC on January 15, 2012, 11:47:21 AM
I don't care if a guy takes 1,000,000,000% profit if he can deliver 50% to me.   I'll take that deal any day.  

Seems to me bizarre to reach a conclusion that he's wanting to sell spectrum.   However, if he can get $15 trillion for it, I hope he does!  That goes for whoever ends up in office!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on January 15, 2012, 12:32:55 PM
I don't care if a guy takes 1,000,000,000% profit if he can deliver 50% to me.   I'll take that deal any day.  

Seems to me bizarre to reach a conclusion that he's wanting to sell spectrum.   However, if he can get $15 trillion for it, I hope he does!  That goes for whoever ends up in office!
   If he can sell off some of the spectrum above 33cm, and send each ham a check for $50K from the proceeds, I think I could forgive him!  :)


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on January 15, 2012, 02:04:37 PM
I don't care if a guy takes 1,000,000,000% profit if he can deliver 50% to me.   I'll take that deal any day.  

You should because for that big a "jackpot" there will be train loads and train loads of losers and one day it can be you or someone you know.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 15, 2012, 04:44:29 PM
I don't care if a guy takes 1,000,000,000% profit if he can deliver 50% to me.   I'll take that deal any day.  

Seems to me bizarre to reach a conclusion that he's wanting to sell spectrum.   However, if he can get $15 trillion for it, I hope he does!  That goes for whoever ends up in office!

You must be a millionaire!

Unless you are your not getting 50% of nothing so wake up. If your middle class or poor your gonna get screwed. So what ever we can prevent them from taking if any intentions is what I'm fighting for. Seems like they just take a little give a little then take more to keep some people fooled.

Guess what? It works!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 15, 2012, 04:58:15 PM
I saw the interview and it's an old one (2005). Plus, he didn't say that Ham Radio was not needed. He said we don't need to 'deal' with ram radio operators. I saw the context and it's clearly an issue that he's not concerned about. It's not that he has no regard for Ham Radio, it's that he doesn't see it as an issue that needs his attention. I hear that as a positive. It's a Fed issue anyway, not a State one.

It's amazing what some people will read into something when they've made up their political mind.

dave :)

While is is possible to look at anything more than one one way many feel the true intent is he feels it would be better to sell spectrum for profit if possible because he is a of "vulture" capitalist at heart looking for quick profits regardless of collateral damage caused by it. What I also found interesting is that average return for investors in his company was 50% profit while he took not 100 or even 200 but rather a 600% profit himself.

I'd say that's exactly what I was trying to convey. It's not just entirely about what be said about a hobby I'm or all of us are passionate about. The fact his true feelings came out in his expression to the answer and being a politician I can no doubt conclude the same as you. Their filthy rich powerful politicians that care nothing else but profit. If he could he would!!

Again, let's not forget how bright he is. I ask this question. Does it make sense for him to construct a system that cost money and leaves a door open for him to funnel money which is hard to track in a budget already in a deficit smart to do?

NO!!

Why when you have volunteers to do the same effective job for nothing.





Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K3WEC on January 15, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
You must be a millionaire!

Unless you are your not getting 50% of nothing so wake up. If your middle class or poor your gonna get screwed. So what ever we can prevent them from taking if any intentions is what I'm fighting for. Seems like they just take a little give a little then take more to keep some people fooled.

Guess what? It works!

Not a millionaire, but I would like to be someday...and I don't think you can get there by whining about the success of others.  If we were speaking about a guy who deals drugs or some other illegal profession, my reaction would be quite different.

I don't buy the "if you're middle class or poor your [sic] gonna get screwed."   While Romney is not one of them, there are tons of folks who have come out of a poor state to succeed enormously...even in times of economic depression.   Not everyone can, for certain.  However, hunkering down and feeling sorry for oneself doesn't seem to work either.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 15, 2012, 11:16:07 PM
You must be a millionaire!

Unless you are your not getting 50% of nothing so wake up. If your middle class or poor your gonna get screwed. So what ever we can prevent them from taking if any intentions is what I'm fighting for. Seems like they just take a little give a little then take more to keep some people fooled.

Guess what? It works!


Not a millionaire, but I would like to be someday...and I don't think you can get there by whining about the success of others.  If we were speaking about a guy who deals drugs or some other illegal profession, my reaction would be quite different.

I don't buy the "if you're middle class or poor your [sic] gonna get screwed."   While Romney is not one of them, there are tons of folks who have come out of a poor state to succeed enormously...even in times of economic depression.   Not everyone can, for certain.  However, hunkering down and feeling sorry for oneself doesn't seem to work either.

That's fine by me. I wish you success on your endeavor on becoming wealthy.

You could care less about a hobby ,or a hobby that performs not only a pleasant neurological stimuly but a humanitarian function as well. Yet, you own a call sign and for what purpose? I guess just like for many just to meet your selfish pleasantrie needs and I guess that's okay. Isn't that part of why we all have a license?

The difference is like many you belong to a different group. You don't care about anything but what benefits you. Nothing more! So this hobby means not enough for you to help preserve it but enough for you to soak it up while it's around and willing to sell it for profit. When it's all soaked up for a few bucks you (we) would lose many years of gratification. Some things are not worth it for a few bucks to certain group of people. Money isn't everything!

See I'm wealthy in many ways but don't live in a mansion. If I felt the need I can be more successful than I am now. It's not worth the price you pay to get there from my stand point of view for now. Even then I wouldn't sell half my ham band spectrum for $1,000,000 dollars. So it's not about whining over poverty or trying to ride someone else's coat tail.

We're just cut from two different moral grains!

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K3WEC on January 16, 2012, 08:42:43 AM
I have a callsign because I enjoy the hobby...not to make money from ham radio.

My reference to selling spectrum was tongue-in-cheek to express that if the proceeds could be applied to bring our national debt to zero, I'd happily make that sacrifice.  That would seem to be the epitome of a moral act for the better of the country....over 300,000,000 people.   Not for profit to me or anyone!

You have drawn conclusions about me relative to caring about my own personal benefit that are simply false.   While I don't know about the moral grain part, I do know that we both certainly approach logic differently.  

I'll end my participation in this thread at this point, as I'm sure the moderators would prefer that things end here.  I hope we can exchange other posts in non-political, non-controversial matters related to the hobby.   I wish you the best in your endeavors!

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on January 16, 2012, 12:08:42 PM
I'll just note that nobody has explained yet how having redundant power supply in the public service infrastructure will end up destroying everything that made America great. I suppose the answer goes something like "RON PAUL !!!!1!" or "I'm a sovereign citizen, the government has no right to take my money and spend it on UPS'es and generators that might save other people's lives"?


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 17, 2012, 05:41:44 AM
I have a callsign because I enjoy the hobby...not to make money from ham radio.

My reference to selling spectrum was tongue-in-cheek to express that if the proceeds could be applied to bring our national debt to zero, I'd happily make that sacrifice.  That would seem to be the epitome of a moral act for the better of the country....over 300,000,000 people.   Not for profit to me or anyone!

You have drawn conclusions about me relative to caring about my own personal benefit that are simply false.   While I don't know about the moral grain part, I do know that we both certainly approach logic differently.  

I'll end my participation in this thread at this point, as I'm sure the moderators would prefer that things end here.  I hope we can exchange other posts in non-political, non-controversial matters related to the hobby.   I wish you the best in your endeavors!

73!

Agreed and again you the same on your endeavor's.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 17, 2012, 05:51:42 AM
I'll just note that nobody has explained yet how having redundant power supply in the public service infrastructure will end up destroying everything that made America great. I suppose the answer goes something like "RON PAUL !!!!1!" or "I'm a sovereign citizen, the government has no right to take my money and spend it on UPS'es and generators that might save other people's lives"?

Probably because the professional opinion from highly recognized scientists that know more than Romney are suggesting we are due and will be effected by C.M.E.'s in the future that will render all those UPS systems useless along with new solid state technology.

One thing their be calling on us for is to use our tube gear cause that'll be what it takes to get back up and running. So why spend the money?

If you don't know what CME's are and what I'm talking about do some research on this solar cycle. Hey, anything is possible!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: WA4VBC on January 17, 2012, 06:47:10 AM
Better not depend on hams with tube gear to save us as hams with working tube gear are getting mighty scarce and most are aging-out.  Sid.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 17, 2012, 07:56:09 AM
Better not depend on hams with tube gear to save us as hams with working tube gear are getting mighty scarce and most are aging-out.  Sid.

LOL! I'm fairly young but I own a Swan 500C I rebuilt and want to get a Heathkit HW-8 or something for QRP. If you wanna be wise it's wise to cover all base's. I see what your saying though.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KB4QAA on January 17, 2012, 06:50:15 PM
Probably because the professional opinion from highly recognized scientists that know more than Romney are suggesting we are due and will be effected by C.M.E.'s in the future that will render all those UPS systems useless along with new solid state technology.

One thing their be calling on us for is to use our tube gear cause that'll be what it takes to get back up and running. So why spend the money?

If you don't know what CME's are and what I'm talking about do some research on this solar cycle. Hey, anything is possible!
1.  Scientists are NOT saying we are 'due' for a massive solar storm.  Sure, one might occur, but we are not 'due".

2. Even if we have a large CME that causes damage to some of the power grid that does not mean it will damage home appliances, radios etc.   The power grid vulnerability is due the long 'antennas' (transmission lines) it has.

3. Who are we supposed to talk to, anyway?   Take care of your family, your home, your neighbors.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K7CB on January 20, 2012, 04:46:53 AM
It just shows what he thinks of us. Even as a back-up resource.

And yet hams will vote for him. Go figure.

73 de Jim, N2EY

The alternative would be Obama...and I don't think this country can survive 4 more years of his "hope and change."


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K7CB on January 20, 2012, 04:50:46 AM
How would Romney be any different?

73 de Jim, N2EY
How would Obama be any better?  Has anyone ever asked HIM the same question?  I'm sure that, right now, he'd tell you what you want to hear to get your vote.  After all, that's what he did in 2008 - told everyone what they wanted to hear.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on January 20, 2012, 06:34:01 AM
How would Romney be any different?

73 de Jim, N2EY
How would Obama be any better?  Has anyone ever asked HIM the same question?  I'm sure that, right now, he'd tell you what you want to hear to get your vote.  After all, that's what he did in 2008 - told everyone what they wanted to hear.

I agree!

You could also say the republicans surely beyond a proven doubt didn't allow him to try out some of his ideas. That's nothing new though. There's always a fight ,or tiff because one of the other party won that year. Games get played behind closed doors like it's a video game. Yet politicians are playing with our lives like it's one.

Ridiculous!

Either way I didn't agree with some of Obama's ideas but was willing to try some. Problem is hitting the rich in the gut for once wasn't gonna happen with all those republicans saying no to taking pay cuts. It's easier to cut the middle class pay checks.

Still don't think Romney is gonna do any better. One thing he'll do is do away with ham radio emergency volunteers. No more Emmcomm! He doesn't need them!

Next it'll be our frequency spectrum but we can't assume ,or prove that so let's not worry about it for now. I worry about his crude idea to get rid of a proven working system unbroken for decades to implement a cost in a budget already in deficit. Then looking to tax us more to fund it ,or comes out of our reserve. Then in all that funneling of money losing track of who's pockets its going into and for what else. No different from how criminal interprise works.

What! You don't think the president has the right to tell the FCC "I want to meet with you and this is what I want"? Think again!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on January 22, 2012, 06:09:10 AM
Still don't think Romney is gonna do any better. One thing he'll do is do away with ham radio emergency volunteers. No more Emmcomm! He doesn't need them!
How much would you be willing to bet that Romney would close down MARS, RACES and ARES - everything about it - as well as stopping SATERN and the Red Cross use of amateurs, within 100 days of taking office as PotUS? Because I don't think he will. FEMA and many states and NGOs see the value of amateur radio as backup communication method.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on January 22, 2012, 09:06:12 AM
FEMA and many states and NGOs see the value of amateur radio as backup communication method.

This is 2012 and Ham radio simply does not have the clout in this area it once did and is being phased out like it or not.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: CBISBACK on January 23, 2012, 02:12:52 PM

"What do you think?"

I think you EMCOM people need to get a life.

Just a bunch of wannbes who think you're important.





Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on January 28, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
This is 2012 and Ham radio simply does not have the clout in this area it once did and is being phased out like it or not.
If that were true, then wouldn't it be a good thing if Romney had wanted to cut it back?


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N5RWJ on January 28, 2012, 02:06:03 PM
Well he don't think much of our space program, saying he would fire anyone bring up the subject of a base on the moon .

     Or ROMNEY SAYS BY BY TO NASA


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on January 28, 2012, 06:26:03 PM
I think I see a pattern here:
 :( "Romney wants more robust public service communications."
 :o "Romney will ban emcomm and sell the amateur frequencies"

 :( "Romney won't colonize the Moon within eight years"
 :o "Romney will close down all space activity"

 :( "Romney wants to make it easier to replace our insurance providers and get better deals"
 :o "Romney wants us all to lose our jobs"


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on January 29, 2012, 10:33:59 AM
I think I see a pattern here:
 :( "Romney wants more robust public service communications."
 :o "Romney will ban emcomm and sell the amateur frequencies"

 :( "Romney won't colonize the Moon within eight years"
 :o "Romney will close down all space activity"

 :( "Romney wants to make it easier to replace our insurance providers and get better deals"
 :o "Romney wants us all to lose our jobs"
  Everyone seems to be overlooking the three most important questions about a Romney Presidency!   1)   Since he is known to be a CBer, does he stay within the legal output power limit?  2)  Is his modulation under 100%, and  3)  Is he a Freebander?     IMHO, an incorrect response to any of those questions, would immediately disqualify him as a potential candidate.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on January 30, 2012, 06:09:08 AM
Romney will try to sell anything for a quick buck regardless of long term fallout from it. It is who he is.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 01, 2012, 03:25:01 PM
Romney will try to sell anything for a quick buck regardless of long term fallout from it. It is who he is.

Got that right!

In fact I just watched candidate for president Romney state "he is "not" worried about the poor". He also doesn't think there are holes in the so called safety net for the poor.

 Let's clarify a couple things. We may not be destitute but we are the poor. The 95% of Americans are poor by the 1% wealthy standards. To say what he said pertaining to amateur radio, paid only 14.5% in taxes to our broken down economic country and now he's not worried about the poor.

LOL! this guys is something else and all the idiot poor/middle brain washed fools are buying his crap and voting for him. Idiots!!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N0MKC on February 02, 2012, 12:15:22 PM
I wouldn't buy a used car (or ham rig, for that matter) from any of the current crop of politicians in either party!

Well, maybe I'd consider buying from Ron Paul, so long as I have a free day to go over it with a fine-tooth comb...


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KC0SHZ on February 03, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
Ham radio will not be very useful in a mega disaster, but nothing will.   Ham radio, inc (ARRL, ARES) misses the point that its not the communication function that is needed, but the state of mental preparedness that is needed.

How many of us have multiple sets of screwdrivers or multitools?  Most of us.  This week on GIZMODO (a website for the geek community), there was an article about tools and what kind you should have.   Seriously, a website for IT geeks had to have a piece on screwdrivers.   Would such a piece be needed here?

Ham radio promotes self dependency because its fun to build antennas and talk to the world on them.  We build up tool supplies and batteries because we use them.   In an emergency, your solar battery charger that you use for Field Day may charge a baby monitor or provide energy for a nebulizer.   You have these things because they are toys to you and me. 

Whether we are actually doing comms work, this is a great hobby to relax for a while and cruise 20 meters.  In a pinch we might be needed.  If not, then I know that if my neighbors have a problem, I probably have the tools to help them.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 03, 2012, 03:01:38 PM
Ham radio will not be very useful in a mega disaster, but nothing will.   Ham radio, inc (ARRL, ARES) misses the point that its not the communication function that is needed, but the state of mental preparedness that is needed.

How many of us have multiple sets of screwdrivers or multitools?  Most of us.  This week on GIZMODO (a website for the geek community), there was an article about tools and what kind you should have.   Seriously, a website for IT geeks had to have a piece on screwdrivers.   Would such a piece be needed here?

Ham radio promotes self dependency because its fun to build antennas and talk to the world on them.  We build up tool supplies and batteries because we use them.   In an emergency, your solar battery charger that you use for Field Day may charge a baby monitor or provide energy for a nebulizer.   You have these things because they are toys to you and me. 

Whether we are actually doing comms work, this is a great hobby to relax for a while and cruise 20 meters.  In a pinch we might be needed.  If not, then I know that if my neighbors have a problem, I probably have the tools to help them.

You are absolutely correct! For one exception.

I don't know how many times I need to emphasize that it's not about dependency of EMMCOMM. The bigger picture is how important the value of Emmcomm is to our nation ,culture and moral value. It may be a small role but it plays its part sychologically. As well as a political question we need to address due to our economical status where Emmcomm within our community has it's value.

Why should any president due away with a system that other organizations like Red Cross and FEMA agree has it's value?

Is it smart to spend, spend and spend more out of recourses already in dyer turmoil when it's already free?

System isn't broke so why fix it even if a government run communication system is in place that as you said wouldn't even help in the worst of natural Diaster acurr's ,or man made?

Volunteers of EMMCOMM being ham radio operators show that the commited humanitarian patriotic duty of Americans is alive and well even today. Willing to give up time when in need at a moments notice for what ever it's worth. It shows the people of this country by example that Americans are willing to serve their communities and country willingly. We don't need to be dependent on government or government funding. That keeps our nation cost down is one of the parts we play.

Today the government wants to control more the mass's by making us feel we need to depend on them. We don't!!!

That's the point you and many are missing!

How much more clearer does do we need to make you guys realize it's not abou a bunch of geeks playing rescue 911. Its a bigger picture than that and I'm not even an EMMCOMM guy and I see the value of not letting government step all over us and some nit wit like governor Romney talk out his behind.

73!





Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K3LUE on February 09, 2012, 08:24:25 AM
The fact that he said this in 2005, before then or since then is absolutely irrelevant. The fact is he said it, it's his opinion and the way he feels. Guess he's still miffed his daddy didn't buy him that Collins station way back when.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on February 09, 2012, 10:25:19 AM
The fact that he said this in 2005, before then or since then is absolutely irrelevant. The fact is he said it, it's his opinion and the way he feels. Guess he's still miffed his daddy didn't buy him that Collins station way back when.
  Romney is actually still angry because his dad didn't get him that Browning Eagle 23!  It is now completely obvious that since his anti-Ham comments came out, he is beginning to lose in the primaries.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 09, 2012, 10:12:10 PM
The fact that he said this in 2005, before then or since then is absolutely irrelevant. The fact is he said it, it's his opinion and the way he feels. Guess he's still miffed his daddy didn't buy him that Collins station way back when.
  Romney is actually still angry because his dad didn't get him that Browning Eagle 23!  It is now completely obvious that since his anti-Ham comments came out, he is beginning to lose in the primaries.

Actually it's because of his comment about not caring or worrying about the poor. Just another one of his stupid commments that he tried retracting. Cough....excuse me! His speakers for him tried retracting the statement.

He's an imbecile!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on February 10, 2012, 05:48:06 AM
Romney is actually still angry because his dad didn't get him that Browning Eagle 23!  It is now completely obvious that since his anti-Ham comments came out, he is beginning to lose in the primaries.

Since those comments came out in 2005, your statement about him losing in the primaries is somewhat--shall we say--irrelevant.  He has made many, many statements that have come back to bite him in his rear end, yet he still does win enough to be considered the Republican frontrunner. 

Still, it's a sorry state of affairs in this country that such a man--with his checkered record and past--should be considered a frontrunner for the presidential nomination of one of the two major political parties today.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N5RWJ on February 10, 2012, 10:26:39 AM
I don't think Ham's will a problem,when he find out we work for free. :o


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on February 10, 2012, 11:46:06 AM
I don't think Ham's will a problem,when he find out we work for free. :o
   Free??   This equipment cost me a small fortune!  It is actually costing us money to work for them!!  :(


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1DA on February 12, 2012, 08:37:42 AM
Hit piece.  And what do we all think about Obama's administration wanting to BAN mobile operation? 


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 12, 2012, 05:53:05 PM
Hit piece.  And what do we all think about Obama's administration wanting to BAN mobile operation? 

That's a pretty broad statement and misleading.

I'm sure it's more pertaining to cell phone mobile use and mobile tablets but still a narrow category of hand held electronics.

Besides if you havent heard the state of Illinois said "no" to banning operating mobile transceivers operated by FCC licensed operators including CB radio in their latest amendments.

If you wanna start that topic I suggest you check out the "mobile ham" category. You'll find all your questions answered there. Besides this thread is about Romney and his possible threat to a well structured life saving system he thinks he doesn't need.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 12, 2012, 06:09:00 PM
I don't think Ham's will a problem,when he find out we work for free. :o
   Free??   This equipment cost me a small fortune!  It is actually costing us money to work for them!!  :(

I have to disagree with the "working for them" statement.

Those who "volunteer" do so as an obligation and committed duty to assisting their country and community in time of need in what ever big ,or small situation arises. If it were "work" you'd be compensated by way of salary.

Let's not forget that Ham's represent and are an "Ambassador of Good Will" community ready and willing to volunteer our time and radio gear for any situation. That's what it's all about and we should be proud that we are skilled and knowledgeable enough to make a difference for everybody. We can do it better than anybody!

73!



Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on February 12, 2012, 07:13:09 PM
As opposed to one whose self proclaimed mentor and spiritual advisor taught him to sing "Goddamn America" and who has a close political ally whos only regret about bombing the pentagon was that he didn't set off enough bombs?

No, not as opposed.  We haven't had a decent president--or even a decent presidential contender since before 1960.  And yes, that includes JFK.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: AC5UP on February 13, 2012, 10:41:00 AM
As opposed to one whose self proclaimed mentor and spiritual advisor taught him to sing "Goddamn America" and who has a close political ally whos only regret about bombing the pentagon was that he didn't set off enough bombs?

A year or so ago I was flipping channels and came across a short video piece on a local university station... Time filler, just music and pictures, recreating the golden days of the Old South. Mint Juleps on the veranda, Tennessee Walkers in the pasture, and everything was just as neat & tidy as you can imagine. My, My, My.

Couldn't help but wonder if the same perception of 'Southern Culture' illustrated by that video is shared by those of the negro persuasion.

For some Americans, "Goddamn" is putting it politely. http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/lynching/lynch_01.jpg

But don't you worry....... Ol' Mittens will unleash the campaign hounds from the roof of his station wagon in time for Super Tuesday and as every good conservative knows, there is nothing more powerful in Republican politics than campaign visits and endorsements from Darth Dick Cheney and boy wonder George W Bush!

[/snark]


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N0MKC on February 13, 2012, 03:21:15 PM
No, not as opposed.  We haven't had a decent president--or even a decent presidential contender since before 1960.  And yes, that includes JFK.

The GOP hasn't had a real, honest-to-goodness statesman since Goldwater.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 14, 2012, 03:29:59 AM
As opposed to one whose self proclaimed mentor and spiritual advisor taught him to sing "Goddamn America" and who has a close political ally whos only regret about bombing the pentagon was that he didn't set off enough bombs?

No, not as opposed.  We haven't had a decent president--or even a decent presidential contender since before 1960.  And yes, that includes JFK.

I agree with you based on historical documentary's. Sometimes I read about some of our past presidents and speechs and realize that not only did they follow through with what they said ,but truely believed in saying it. They had their hands on truely morally building a great nation and when they spoke you can tell they each well thought out what they said by searching deep in their heart and soul.

Today our presidents look for words of wisdom through professional motivational speakers. It is known that they have speech advisors.

Romney doesn't think before he speaks and that's clear to me. He may seem to be great with numbers which has been proven based on how he's been able to mask his wealth in off shore accounts to pay only 14.5% in taxes ,but surely that's because he's a business man. As well as laws that are made to be broken for guys like him which only the wealthy could possibly attain without repercussion.

If he really wants to earn my trust as president I'd like him to start being honest with the rest of his wealthy buddies in his wealth category to pay the same taxes I'm paying. If their making so much money it can't hurt them. He's got over 100,000,000. Dollars sitting in accounts doing nothing and he made a lot of it off our blue collar backs. He should contribute back into our deficit that he and his buddies created. CONTRIBUTE ROMNEY, CONTRIBUTE!!

If you think about it all presidential candidates are scrutinized for their faults. When you have so many in the running and one paticular (like Romney) is already be pointed out for their faults and creating controversy before he even gets into the White House, there's a big problem! A red flag it is!

Yet, people will still vote for him. How crazy is that?

What do men of wealthy blue blood line at birth right understand anything of the poor or middle class? They couldn't possibly unless they walked not the "blue blood" line but the "blue collar" line.

73!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on February 14, 2012, 02:27:18 PM
Looking at it from the outside, Romney's "faults" look pretty silly, and especially the one that started this thread. Somehow trying to twist his words into being anti-amateur radio when he was answering a provocative question about the resiliency of public service communications. If he were to say he wouldn't rely on the National Guard to provide day-to-day policing, would you call him anti-military on that basis?

I remember back in 2000, debating with some animal rights activists online who thought Al Gore was too soft on whaling so they'd vote for Bush instead. This discussion reminds me on this one. And we all know it was pretty close in 2000.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on February 14, 2012, 03:26:40 PM
I remember back in 2000, debating with some animal rights activists online who thought Al Gore was too soft on whaling so they'd vote for Bush instead. This discussion reminds me on this one. And we all know it was pretty close in 2000.

You do know that several months later that they "unofficially" manually recounted by hand WHOLE state of Florida and that indeed Gore did win popular vote there even with a lot of votes still thrown out but it was too late and was swept under carpet too by GOP. Gore mistake was not letting them certify count THEN ask for a state wide recount rather than fussing about a few counties and draw out certification and closing window time for a full recount. They also found out in 2004 that computer voting left no paper trail and was easy to compromise.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 14, 2012, 04:55:05 PM
Looking at it from the outside, Romney's "faults" look pretty silly, and especially the one that started this thread. Somehow trying to twist his words into being anti-amateur radio when he was answering a provocative question about the resiliency of public service communications. If he were to say he wouldn't rely on the National Guard to provide day-to-day policing, would you call him anti-military on that basis?

I remember back in 2000, debating with some animal rights activists online who thought Al Gore was too soft on whaling so they'd vote for Bush instead. This discussion reminds me on this one. And we all know it was pretty close in 2000.

LMAO!

Im just gonna say it. Your an idiot! It's gonna serve you right since your remark deserves a response.  ;)

Hypocrite talking about others twisting words. Clearly you haven't read most of your own posts. It's obvious your being very hipocritical. Doesn't surprise me though.

You remind me of a French women that I knew who would always ridicule the way our country was run and the people in it. Always had something sarcastic to say ,but really didn't know what it's been like to be a "tax paying citizen" in this country, but seemed to know better than everyone else.

Point is you always have a sarcastic remark to say and nothing of intelligence, common sense, or logic to contribute and yes....a foreign call sign. Hmmm!

All this reminded me of you when W8JX made a very good point that proves the stuff coming out of your mouth should be coming out the other end. How is it that you would side with Bush after 8 years of turmoil and didn't even help what so ever with the whale industry issue. None what's so ever!! People were right about him on many levels and predicted it before he stole office.

Just like you couldn't reflect back with common sense to realize Bush politically ambushed and stole Florida from Gore. Complete utter corruption in plane sight but you can't even see that.

I don't think you should be giving any advice about Romney. Romney stuck his foot in his mouth again with the whole "I'm not worried about the poor" issue. Even the experts who know more than you and I say he screwed up. Creating all this controversy and he hasn't even made it to the White House yet. God help us if he does!

So as a passionate ham operator I show concern. That was the reason for the topic but like always you'll have trolls. All this and I'm sure you still won't even see that not only was he an idiot for the ham Emmcomm remark but he continues to prove my point over and over again.

Gezzz! Need I say more? What don't you understand? LOL!  ::)




Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on February 14, 2012, 05:38:11 PM
Im just gonna say it. Your an idiot!

If there is any "idiots" here it should be the person that looses temper and resorts to name calling.

You should read the link below and calm your temper. Lot of smoke and mirrors in that vote tabulation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000)


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 14, 2012, 08:59:14 PM
Im just gonna say it. Your an idiot!

If there is any "idiots" here it should be the person that looses temper and resorts to name calling.

You should read the link below and calm your temper. Lot of smoke and mirrors in that vote tabulation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000)

Name calling is my favorite part. I call it has I see it and if you haven't noticed he insulted me first. HELLLOOOO!!

Another one!!

That web site means nothing to me. It's clearly just documenting the final results in way of how they masked what actually happened. Either way numbers can always be fudged of course especially after the debochery.

I may not be quick to just yell conspiracy but this would not be the thread to prove or disprove a conspiracy theory ,or fact of event taking place. We all know that at that time the nation screamed corruption.

Plain and simple!!



Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on February 15, 2012, 01:47:57 AM
W8JX, you agree that it was a close election in 2000, right? For the purpose of this discussion, that's all we have to agree on.
How is it that you would side with Bush after 8 years of turmoil and didn't even help what so ever with the whale industry issue. None what's so ever!!
Well it seems in your furious anger you're making my point for me: The people who voted for Bush because they thought Al Gore was too soft on whaling ended up voting for a candidate who has had an even weaker animal rights/environmental policy in their eyes. So not only is it a wedge issue, it's a false wedge issue. That's why I brought up that example here. If you're voting for Ron Paul because you think he'll be a better president for hams, I suspect you'll have the same experience as those anti-whaling wedge issue voters.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 15, 2012, 07:22:37 AM
Your assuming I would vote for Ron Paul because of my dislike for Romney. Truth is I don't like either but yet I know one must prevail. As it gets closer to the finals hours will each candidate have to prove which one will be most qualified.

Right now....Romney keeps putting his foot in his mouth and thats not good for a president.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N5RWJ on February 16, 2012, 03:56:20 PM
Your assuming I would vote for Ron Paul because of my dislike for Romney. Truth is I don't like either but yet I know one must prevail. As it gets closer to the finals hours will each candidate have to prove which one will be most qualified.

Right now....Romney keeps putting his foot in his mouth and thats not good for a president.
Well now he has dog lovers, mad at him?


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on February 17, 2012, 12:43:56 AM
I don't think Ham's will a problem,when he find out we work for free. :o
   Free??   This equipment cost me a small fortune!  It is actually costing us money to work for them!!  :(

I have to disagree with the "working for them" statement.

Those who "volunteer" do so as an obligation and committed duty to assisting their country and community in time of need in what ever big ,or small situation arises. If it were "work" you'd be compensated by way of salary.

Let's not forget that Ham's represent and are an "Ambassador of Good Will" community ready and willing to volunteer our time and radio gear for any situation. That's what it's all about and we should be proud that we are skilled and knowledgeable enough to make a difference for everybody. We can do it better than anybody!

73!


  Good point.  We do it all for free, and just for the satisfaction of helping others in need.  Just a simple thank you is enough for us, and even if we don't get that, we are still out there ready to jump in the very next time the need arises.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on February 21, 2012, 12:12:06 PM
Yeah, we do it for free--but the kicker in that for quite a lot of us is the moneys we would have to pay out if we wanted to continue 'serving the public for free.'  Gotta pay for background checks, gotta pay for identifications, gotta pay for particular things that responders are required to have, and so on.  That is among the reasons I left emcomm.  Too much being asked for while the satisfaction and the pleasure of serving was taken away.  


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KA2UUP on February 21, 2012, 12:47:02 PM
Old news, just old news!!!!!  I say again, if I am going to be so narrow minded as to not give my vote to a candidate because he does not think that ham radio operators are needed, then we are royally scroooooooooood! ;)

We better think long and hard who we want to see inaugurated on 20 January 2013 at 1205 PM.  At the present time, anything looks better than what we have in DC, Congress included!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K0HEA on February 22, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
Romney is one of those idiots that want to squash the internet, ham radio, and anything else that isn't Fox, TBS, ViaComm... anything that might interfere with a 'state' broadcast system...

I have never voted (R) in my life, so I guess he doen't have to worry about losing my vote.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on February 22, 2012, 10:34:22 AM
Romney is one of those idiots that want to squash the internet, ham radio, and anything else that isn't Fox, TBS, ViaComm... anything that might interfere with a 'state' broadcast system...

With Romney it is ALL about a quick profit REGARDLESS of long term impact or fall out from it. Anything to make a quick buck.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: AK7V on February 22, 2012, 05:18:23 PM
Mr. Romney also may have meant we dont to have to use ham radio. That could also mean that he wants a communication system that can withstand anything.
That's seems to be what he meant - our daily emergency communications shouldn't have to turn to amateur radio just because of a power failure. We can't be 100% sure if he meant he'd never use amateur radio even if the situation got so bad that the fail-safe system fails, unless we look closer at if he spoke about it at other occasions. However, the official word from the campaign, is that he recognizes the role of amateur radio, but was speaking about hardening the emergency response infrastructure, so it appears you can vote for Romney with good conciseness if the only issue is amateur radio.


Thank you!  LA9XSA wins the comprehension award. He's not dissing ham radio -- he's arguing against someone who might say that we don't need a good emcom infrastructure because we already have ham radio ops.

Regardless of what any president says about ham radio, we'll be here - communicating - whether or not the other infrastructure is working. 


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 23, 2012, 05:18:08 PM
Mr. Romney also may have meant we dont to have to use ham radio. That could also mean that he wants a communication system that can withstand anything.
That's seems to be what he meant - our daily emergency communications shouldn't have to turn to amateur radio just because of a power failure. We can't be 100% sure if he meant he'd never use amateur radio even if the situation got so bad that the fail-safe system fails, unless we look closer at if he spoke about it at other occasions. However, the official word from the campaign, is that he recognizes the role of amateur radio, but was speaking about hardening the emergency response infrastructure, so it appears you can vote for Romney with good conciseness if the only issue is amateur radio.


Thank you!  LA9XSA wins the comprehension award. He's not dissing ham radio -- he's arguing against someone who might say that we don't need a good emcom infrastructure because we already have ham radio ops.

Regardless of what any president says about ham radio, we'll be here - communicating - whether or not the other infrastructure is working. 

LMAO! Maybe you missed your own point on comprehension.

Remember!

It's wiser to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.



Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on February 24, 2012, 10:52:38 AM
Did anyone hear the rumor that Santorum might be a CBer?


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: AK7V on February 24, 2012, 01:17:11 PM
Mr. Romney also may have meant we dont to have to use ham radio. That could also mean that he wants a communication system that can withstand anything.
That's seems to be what he meant - our daily emergency communications shouldn't have to turn to amateur radio just because of a power failure. We can't be 100% sure if he meant he'd never use amateur radio even if the situation got so bad that the fail-safe system fails, unless we look closer at if he spoke about it at other occasions. However, the official word from the campaign, is that he recognizes the role of amateur radio, but was speaking about hardening the emergency response infrastructure, so it appears you can vote for Romney with good conciseness if the only issue is amateur radio.


Thank you!  LA9XSA wins the comprehension award. He's not dissing ham radio -- he's arguing against someone who might say that we don't need a good emcom infrastructure because we already have ham radio ops.

Regardless of what any president says about ham radio, we'll be here - communicating - whether or not the other infrastructure is working. 

LMAO! Maybe you missed your own point on comprehension.

Remember!

It's wiser to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.



I should have known, even making an a-political comment would rile someone up in a thread that has turned political.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 24, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
Mr. Romney also may have meant we dont to have to use ham radio. That could also mean that he wants a communication system that can withstand anything.
That's seems to be what he meant - our daily emergency communications shouldn't have to turn to amateur radio just because of a power failure. We can't be 100% sure if he meant he'd never use amateur radio even if the situation got so bad that the fail-safe system fails, unless we look closer at if he spoke about it at other occasions. However, the official word from the campaign, is that he recognizes the role of amateur radio, but was speaking about hardening the emergency response infrastructure, so it appears you can vote for Romney with good conciseness if the only issue is amateur radio.


Thank you!  LA9XSA wins the comprehension award. He's not dissing ham radio -- he's arguing against someone who might say that we don't need a good emcom infrastructure because we already have ham radio ops.

Regardless of what any president says about ham radio, we'll be here - communicating - whether or not the other infrastructure is working. 

LMAO! Maybe you missed your own point on comprehension.

Remember!

It's wiser to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.



I should have known, even making an a-political comment would rile someone up in a thread that has turned political.

LMAO....again!

Funny how some people wanna be critics but can't take critismn themselves when thrown back at them. Even more when they try to twist things and convince others. No wonder this world is screwed up.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on February 25, 2012, 08:41:30 AM
RRA, I suggest you look at some of your own posts on this thread and then look at the last statement you just made.  You don't, by any chance, have a mirror in your shack, do you?


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on February 25, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
RRA, I suggest you look at some of your own posts on this thread and then look at the last statement you just made.  You don't, by any chance, have a mirror in your shack, do you?

Your not one too talk because the ones I've read from you in the last year surely shouldn't be lending advice or making comments.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KE7FD on March 19, 2012, 12:53:09 PM
OK, let's put his comments into perspective and set aside trite CB'er remarks (there have been lots of CB'ers who have stepped up to emergency calls just as many hams albeit a smaller %: I have no figures to support that I'll admit up front).  I was told by a well read and well informed public servant recently that ham radio was on its way out because of the Internet.  To this remark I kindly and diplomatically informed this person that in fact there were now more hams than at any other time in the past and even sited some sources to confirm this.  This surprised them and they graciously appreciated the information.  Wherever people not of our ranks express this impression, understand that it is rooted both in assumptions like the example I gave thinking the Internet and cell phones cures all ills AND that other avenues of communication trumps radio.  I have some familiarity with  Mr. Romney's background and will tell you this much:  his opinion IS rooted in the perception laid out before him by those 1.) experiences as governor and, 2.) other non-government positions he has held which portrayed "Ma Bell", the Internet, satellite phones and any common carrier as all that are needed in an emergency.  In other words, he sees emergencies through the eyes of other people, not his own.  Sometimes, oftentimes, that IS all you need.  But as any of use know, there's a reason why even those folks with cans of "Insta-Flat-Inflater" also have spare tires and even auto club memberships in the event they get a flat tire. The success of any leader, be it a U.S. president, a CEO, Boy Scout leader, what have you, will hinge not only one their own knowledge and experience but on those people they surround themselves with.  I would rather have a leader who has the ability to adapt than one who thinks he knows everything then drags everyone down with him.  If Mr. Romney has the ability to learn from those around him then adapts to accurate information, great.  That goes for anyone running for public office.  If he rejects what all of us already knows be it from first hand experience with encomm or awareness of countless written accounts of those who have had first hand experiences, he does not deserve your vote now or later in the year. Not for the sake of radio but because he demonstrates bad decision making skills in areas that are key.  Running a smooth Olympics is one thing, but orchestrating the affairs of a nation is another.  The latter is a team effort but the President takes responsibility for what he and his cabinet decide to do.

CB'ers notwithstanding.

IMHO,
Glen - KE7FD


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N0MKC on March 19, 2012, 03:02:34 PM
<snip>The success of any leader, be it a U.S. president, a CEO, Boy Scout leader, what have you, will hinge not only one their own knowledge and experience but on those people they surround themselves with.  I would rather have a leader who has the ability to adapt than one who thinks he knows everything then drags everyone down with him.  If Mr. Romney has the ability to learn from those around him then adapts to accurate information, great.  That goes for anyone running for public office.  If he rejects what all of us already knows be it from first hand experience with encomm or awareness of countless written accounts of those who have had first hand experiences, he does not deserve your vote now or later in the year. Not for the sake of radio but because he demonstrates bad decision making skills in areas that are key.  Running a smooth Olympics is one thing, but orchestrating the affairs of a nation is another.  The latter is a team effort but the President takes responsibility for what he and his cabinet decide to do.

Bravo!  That goes right to the  core of the issue - it's not just the leader, but those people he surrounds himself with and how he wants them to do their jobs...  Many enterprises have gone down the tubes because the man in charge had a staff of "yes-men", whose primary focus was in telling the boss what he WANTED to hear instead of what he NEEDED to hear.

This principle has been recorded as far back as Machaivelli - "The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him."


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on March 19, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
  Many enterprises have gone down the tubes because the man in charge had a staff of "yes-men", whose primary focus was in telling the boss what he WANTED to hear instead of what he NEEDED to hear.

And many enterprises or ventures have gone belly up because somebody taps all the equity or capital reserves out of it for personal profit rather than re-investing it in business. This is Romney's trademark.  Take the money and run.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K5OF on March 21, 2012, 03:21:05 PM
Hey Governor Romney! Tell that to our Emergency Manager here in Carteret County NC! Ground zero during hurricane Irene August 2011. One of the Net Control operators during that incident at the EOC. Eye of the storm passed directly over us.  Ed K5OF 73! (and I am not sure if the 73! applies to your election efforts).


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on March 21, 2012, 04:44:04 PM
For new those who haven't read the whole thread:
- Romney was answering a question of whether or not the funds should be spent to make public service infrastructure hardened enough to work in case of power outages. I would hope everyone agrees that it should take more than a few seconds of power failure before the situation becomes a communication emergency and they need to call in the hams.
- Romney's campaign has released an official statement recognizing the importance of amateur radio in emergencies. It's not like he's promised to close down either amateur radio or the emcomm portion of it.

Romney is by all indications not going to touch amateur radio, and the people who pushed this story probably already knew that.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on March 21, 2012, 06:43:13 PM
Romney is by all indications not going to touch amateur radio, and the people who pushed this story probably already knew that.

Romney's position on things changes often and you really cannot take him at his word but rather the history or pattern of his actions. He will say anything to try to get a vote and forget what he said next day.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W4KVW on March 22, 2012, 02:24:31 PM
ANYBODY will get my vote that is NOT on the CURRENT team in the White house.The FURTHER "RIGHT" the BETTER in my opinion!  ;D

Clayton
W4KVW



Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on March 22, 2012, 04:06:56 PM
ANYBODY will get my vote that is NOT on the CURRENT team in the White house.The FURTHER "RIGHT" the BETTER in my opinion!  ;D

Clayton
W4KVW



Well the "right" got us into this mess and caused the greatest recession since great depression (which was also birthed under GOP) and also brought us $4+ a gallon gas 4 years ago but they never talk about that because they have selective memories and act like it has only happen under current watch. Nor do they tell you that 4 years ago that oil was 140+ a barrel when gas was 4 bucks and that speculators are driving fuel prices higher than they should. Nor to they tell you that oil companies are shutting down a few major refiners this year further driving up fuel prices and profits, not because of current Admin. (they always blame current guy for last ones mess that can take years to clean up)  So "right" is not answer here at but rather something in the middle not the extreme "right" that sees it as their way or no way at all. Is current guy perfect? No but it is the lessor of possible evils here. This is no time for extremist views.  I do love the promises of $2.50/gal and people gullible enough to believe it. They drill for oil at $100 a barrel that they never would for 60 or 70 a barrel. Sure price of fuel "uncomfortable" but producers do not want to take a 30 or 40% pay/revenue cut any more than you do duh....  You want more fuel you will have to pay for it.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on March 23, 2012, 06:06:27 PM
I think you can blame policies on both the right and the left for the current situation. Actually, even some of the ideas which had some bi-partisan support turned out to be bad ideas. Also, while the President of the United States certainly is a powerful position, especially in foreign policy, Democrats actually had a majority in Congress since January 2007, and it's they who actually decide the laws and budgets. Looking at it simplistically, the financial crisis happened with the Democrats in control - but of course the problems had been building for many years with both Bush and Clinton as Presidents.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: ONAIR on March 24, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
  Hams must think long and hard before putting a CBer in the White House!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K0HEA on March 24, 2012, 09:02:30 PM
"The ham radio situation helps a great deal,"

Situation ????? we are a situation.....


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N4MJG on March 25, 2012, 03:08:36 PM
Maybe he doen't know what we do to help others !

i won't vote for  him if he doen't know what ham radio is!! maybe he can stay on cber's break one nine for radio check  ;D


73
Jackie
N4MJG


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K0HEA on March 26, 2012, 04:58:18 AM
Theoil companies (rich daddy warbucks... aka GOP) always screw with the gas prices around election time when they are not the party in the White House...



Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on March 29, 2012, 12:42:03 PM
Theoil companies (rich daddy warbucks... aka GOP) always screw with the gas prices around election time when they are not the party in the White House...



That's right!

Then new guy comes in after a while and says "look what I did". BLOODY BOLLOX!

Bottom line is all those that think they know what's going on like those that are so supportive of the next politician keep making the same mistakes on electing the next guy. Their all cut from the same cloth if they make it that far as being a candidate. That's why I don't trust none of them!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N4UED on April 01, 2012, 12:28:14 AM
HE WANT GET MY VOTE . I E-MAILED HIM ABOUT A FEW MONTHS AGO .
HE NOR ANY OF  HIS STAFF ANSWERED MY MESSAGE .
HE JUST WANTS VOTES , THEN HE WILL DO AS HE PLEASES .


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on April 01, 2012, 04:06:52 AM
Did you email him in all capital letters too? You might have been caught by the spam filter.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on April 01, 2012, 06:30:45 AM
Theoil companies (rich daddy warbucks... aka GOP) always screw with the gas prices around election time when they are not the party in the White House...

Isn't it also strange how short a memory they have. We had 4 dollar gas 4 to 5 years ago yet they act like the it is all new guys fault


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KJ4ETG on April 02, 2012, 08:04:56 AM
QUOTE:

"Host and moderator Natalie Jacobson asked an increasingly-agitated Governor Romney questions about communications interoperability, and communication without commercial power. Romney was next asked by Jacobson, "...so does it come down to ham radio?..."
The Governor replied in a disgusted tone, "No, we don't need to deal with ham radio operators..."
Embarrassed public safety officials later tried to put in a good word for Amateur Radio. National Weather Service Warning Coordination Meteorologist Glenn Field was prepared to state the importance of Amateur Radio, when Salvation Army Colonel Fred Van Brunt was called upon. Van Brunt remarked about his organization's quest to improve its communications capabilities and how Amateur Radio has aided his organization. "The ham radio situation helps a great deal," he stated."

END QUOTE..


This governor thinks his rear doesn't stink and says it with arrogance. Mean while for the last hundred plus years Amateur Radio (Ham Radio) has been more than a pillar in this countries dark years when in need and around the world. We're always prepared to run towards the fire not asking for nothing in return and he dismiss's it with no regard.

The fact that he over looks our devotion, dedication and commitment to God and country is an insult. Lets not forget the image not only as Americans but from hams all across the world that represent "Ambassadors of Good Will".

I believe once you make a statement like that it's what you believe in and no PR representative can fix that error.

Every ham around the world needs to make sure our government officials don't get to comfortable on their high horse. Every now and then we need to remind them we do vote and quite many of us can vote quite differently if they over look us and take us for granted. Attitudes like this can lead to future changes not in favor of frequencies allocated to us.

Write or E-Mail Gov. Romney's office addressing his comment. You don't have to be an American to speak out in which if needed in other countries I'd gladly protest the same. A ham is a ham no matter what part of the world your in. We stand together!!!

What do you think?

Article can be found here: http://ema.arrl.org/node/802

73!

::)

"Hams across Massachusetts and eventually across the nation only seemed to hear the words "we don't need to deal with ham radio operators" and reacted negatively. This, even though the remark was taken out of context. Most hams never bothered to find out what really transpired even though the entire program has been available on the WCVB website since it was broadcast. Instead they relied on inaccurate and incomplete information being passed along on the World Wide Web".

http://www.southgatearc.org/news/january2008/mitt_romney.htm

People misspeak, especially in politics, and a lot of times the "knee jerk" reaction is to crucify the person who misspoke.  Also, the entire story is not given accurately and people form their opinions based on only part of the information given.  I'm not here to start a fight;  all I'm saying is get all the accurate information before stoning the man. 
I am politically neutral and will end up voting for the individual who I think will do the country the best service and benefit the American people.  That being said don't judge until you have all the correct information.

If nothing else ask the man directly, what he meant.  I have found that the media tends to construe the facts to best serve the media. 


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KC9TNH on April 02, 2012, 11:59:37 AM
I'm awfully glad I don't need Romney or Obama (or mainstream media as my unwanted proxy) to validate my existence on radio.
I can't even believe this thread is still going on. Everyone done working through the punchlist of other stuff that is of concern in the Emerg Mgmt world?
 ::)


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N0YXB on April 03, 2012, 08:26:32 AM
W8JX said, "Isn't it also strange how short a memory they have. We had 4 dollar gas 4 to 5 years ago yet they act like the it is all new guys fault."

So true.  It seems Americans have a very short term memory.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W1JKA on April 05, 2012, 03:53:17 AM
     Where's Ross Perot when we need him?


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: KE5JPP on April 05, 2012, 03:54:53 AM
Do you seriously think that Obama or Romney cares anything about Ham radio?  Or that the general US population has high regard for Ham radio operators?  Most non-Hams look down on Ham radio operators as socially inept goofballs.  If they would bother to attend any Hamfest, the public's generally held opinion would be confirmed.

Gene


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on April 07, 2012, 08:12:40 AM
Do you seriously think that either Obama or Romney gives a rat's @$$ about the common man either--unless it's to get his vote?  All their promises don't amount to squat.  This thread--about Romney and ham radio isn't anything to worry about.  Romney isn't going to squash ham radio single handedly, neither is he going to do much about how ham radio is utilized.

Even though started with some possibly 'good intentions', this thread has become nothing but a waste of bandwidth.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: NC4TB on April 07, 2012, 11:24:05 AM
Appears to me his ignorance and arrogance is showing. Not my first choice as GOP candidate either. The Great Uniter he won't be, but I'll have to vote for him against O.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8LGZ on April 08, 2012, 09:06:34 AM
I don't know if anyone else bothered to put for the effort to research a bit deeper on this or not, but... Apparently, this interview actually took place 11/16/2005. Here is a link that contains a writeup from Don Wilbanks, AE5DW where he put forth the effort to contact Romney about this. The second link is for the video of the interview so you can draw your own informed conclusions.

http://www.southgatearc.org/news/january2008/mitt_romney.htm

www.thebostonchannel.com/video/5334306/index.html

Personally, I NEVER trust a "sound bite" or "clip" of what someone says, it's too easy to twist it to mean what you want. And no, I'm not trying to sway anyone to be for or against Romney (or any one else for that matter); I just don't like only half the story being told, like so frequently happens in politics these days.

Jim


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on April 08, 2012, 09:35:45 AM
Well party aside, he is not to be trusted. They now suspect that he is using a questionable loop hole to hide a lot more wealth than he reported and why he does not want to release returns prior to 2010 which may show this hidden wealth. If it is not true he could simply releases his returns and lay it to rest. When you run for this office, nothing is really private anymore unless you have something to hide. 


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: FORMER_K0PD on April 12, 2012, 10:59:01 AM
Not all public officials feel Hams are a asset and are entitled to there opinion. I'm sure Romney spoke out of no for thought on the subject. Just as i'm sure the author of this thread is a Obama an Democrat party supporter and was using his political preference to post this about Romney.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: W8JX on April 12, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
I'm sure Romney spoke out of no for thought on the subject.

No worries, you can just shake him up like a Etcher Sketch and start with a clean slate.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: K1CJS on April 15, 2012, 06:38:20 AM
It just shows what he thinks of us. Even as a back-up resource.

And yet hams will vote for him. Go figure.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim, With due respect, everybody's world doesn't revolve around ham radio.  Some of us consider ham radio a hobby   ;D  and not the centerpoint of our lives, and as such have many other more important things that we consider those fools--uh.... candidates, by!


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N4UED on April 16, 2012, 10:59:44 AM
I SENT HIM AN E-MAIL ASKING HIM ABOUT  HIS REMARKS A FEW MONTHS AGO .
HE NOR ANYONE ON HIS STAFF HAS ANSWERED .
HE WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE .


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: AK4KZ on April 16, 2012, 11:22:30 AM
I SENT HIM AN E-MAIL ASKING HIM ABOUT  HIS REMARKS A FEW MONTHS AGO .
HE NOR ANYONE ON HIS STAFF HAS ANSWERED .
HE WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE .

You sent a guy who's running for perhaps the most powerful political office (perhaps) in the world an email asking him to explain something he said 7 years ago in some obscure interview about a relatively very small group of people and he didn't answer? Huh.. odd. I'm sure they don't get much email so there's really no excuse. Well, he'll sure regret it when he doesn't get your vote. Maybe he'll think twice then.

On the other hand.. there is the fact that, while email seems to be an "assumed" guaranteed communication these days, the possibility exists that the email servers didn't deliver it.. or it got filtered in SOMEONE's spam filter along the way.. that someone was deleting the tons of spam that DOES get thru and accidentally deleted your email.. or half a dozen other things that could happen to email.

I guess my point is that there could be plenty of other explanations. Or he might have just roared with laughter, hit the big DELETE button and went back to killing puppies.

73,
Chris
AK4KZ


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on April 17, 2012, 02:56:07 AM
At last using ALL CAPS is a sure-fire way to increase an email's spam score.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N5RWJ on April 19, 2012, 12:44:28 PM
Well then ,all he needs is Hams who can inform him ,of what hams can do to help in a emergency. also I plan to vote for him as our next President.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: N2RRA on April 22, 2012, 09:56:43 PM
For new those who haven't read the whole thread:
- Romney was answering a question of whether or not the funds should be spent to make public service infrastructure hardened enough to work in case of power outages. I would hope everyone agrees that it should take more than a few seconds of power failure before the situation becomes a communication emergency and they need to call in the hams.
- Romney's campaign has released an official statement recognizing the importance of amateur radio in emergencies. It's not like he's promised to close down either amateur radio or the emcomm portion of it.

Romney is by all indications not going to touch amateur radio, and the people who pushed this story probably already knew that.

Start by giving us a link of his "official statement" and maybe we'll consider paying any attention to what you ,or he has to say about his screw up.

Still doesn't make up for all his other mishaps especially not worrying out the poor or middle class situation.


Title: RE: Gov. Romney says "Hams are not needed" with agitation.....
Post by: LA9XSA on April 23, 2012, 09:39:18 AM
Start by giving us a link of his "official statement" and maybe we'll consider paying any attention to what you ,or he has to say about his screw up.
Is that "we" the Royal "we", or are you representing someone else?
Here's the link: http://www.southgatearc.org/news/january2008/mitt_romney.htm (http://www.southgatearc.org/news/january2008/mitt_romney.htm)
They didn't write in ALL CAPS, so maybe that's why they got a response to their email.

Still doesn't make up for all his other mishaps especially not worrying out the poor or middle class situation.
If there are so many other mishaps, it might have been a good idea to focus on those then. If you exaggerate or just make stuff up about your opponent, by the time you make an actual good point you've lost your credibility with the voters. It's called "cry wolf", I believe.