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Title: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: W9KDX on February 12, 2012, 12:30:30 PM
I am just looking around; don't jump on me for getting in over my head.  I promise not to do anything stupid, but up here in winter one's mind wanders.

In terms of measurable differences, ignoring CW and power differences and video display, what could I expect to notice between these four different models (Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000), assuming the basic lowest cost versions?

I other words, when I am listening, what would I experience as worth the additional money?

Thanks for the feedback.  I have looked at the specifications, I know what one has over the other, and it is hard to tell how it would translate into improved reception.



Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: K8AC on February 12, 2012, 04:37:24 PM
Different people will give you very different answers on this question.  What you hear or don't hear different will depend on your knowledge and skill level.  A technical person will be able to observe differences that an appliance operator wouldn't hear.   Assuming you're not long on experience, I suggest you buy the lowest cost model, use it for some time, and see if you can identify and explain shortcomings that you'd like to improve on.  If you can't, then just enjoy the rig.  If you find something you think could be better, see if the next model up is better in that respect.  All rigs have some features that could be improved - even the most expensive.  All of the rigs you mentioned, with the exception of one, is superior to anything available a decade or two ago.  Since you choose to ignore CW, there's no reason to go into the CW problems with the 5000.



Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: W9KDX on February 12, 2012, 04:48:59 PM
...All of the rigs you mentioned, with the exception of one, is superior to anything available a decade or two ago.  ....

I am guessing that one is the FT-2000, but let me know.

Thanks for the response.


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: W7ETA on February 12, 2012, 07:20:31 PM
I was playing around on the Sherwood Engineering Receiver site and saw that the Icom 706markIIG receiver does pretty good for an all band rig.

If you can find used one locally? it might make a good first rig.

I'm guessing that if you find a used one in good condition you'll be able to re-sell it in a year or two if you decide that you want a better rig.

I don't have any experience with it, but I'm guessing you can find quite a few hams that have or still own one.

The better the receiver the quieter it is on crowded bands.  All of the bands will become crowded as we go up the sunspot cycle.  Quieter, in essence, means more signals will be easier to copy.

I'm guessing you'll have more FUN with a good receiver at home that you will getting one you can take camping.

I've never been too interested in mobile HF or VHF/UHF.

73
Bob


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: W8JX on February 12, 2012, 08:51:06 PM
I was playing around on the Sherwood Engineering Receiver site and saw that the Icom 706markIIG receiver does pretty good for an all band rig.

I kinda question some of the value of that site because while it has some good raw data it does not cover skirt selectivity or how it "sounds"  or how user friendly they are so do not use it as a absolute reference here.


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: W7ETA on February 13, 2012, 01:54:30 PM
W8JX

Excellent points.

Unfortunately, his site is the only one I know of that has good measurements of receiver performance on line.

73 OT
Bob


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: W9KDX on February 16, 2012, 09:52:43 AM
Thanks all.  The Sherwood site was very interesting as were all the reviews here.  When read collectively, they tend to push towards the FTDX-5000 and that is the conclusion I came up with on my own.  Always nice to get your own choices confirmed.  I especially appreciated the reviewers comments on how small and frustrating the K3 controls were.  Given I cut my teeth on tubes, compact anything in the ham shack just doesn't seem right.


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: K8AC on February 16, 2012, 10:35:36 AM
If you must consider the 5000, don't waste your money on the companion scope unit.  It's beyond any doubt the worst I've ever seen, and I've owned them all.


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: W9KDX on February 16, 2012, 01:15:57 PM
If you must consider the 5000, don't waste your money on the companion scope unit.  It's beyond any doubt the worst I've ever seen, and I've owned them all.

I would agree, based on the reviews, especially as I already have the DMU-2000.  However, I have also read that the speakers are superb, so for an additional $80 or so, it looks like a good deal.

Thanks much for the tip.


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: TANAKASAN on February 19, 2012, 12:42:32 AM
The FT950, FT2000 and FT9000 are all built using the same technology with a VHF first IF. A basic rule, the higher the number the more features and the more knobs you'll get.

The FT5000 is a high specification rig with a low first IF frequency. This gives a sharper and a better filter on the first IF amplifier. The second receiver uses a more conventional VHF first IF.

Tanakasan


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: VE3PP on February 22, 2012, 07:40:53 PM
I have a FT-950 and for the cost it offers good value. Check the reviews here and see what others say about the rig.

I talked to a guy on 17 one day who was running a FT-5000. He told me he had owned a FT-9000 and the 5000 was head and shoulders over it. The FT-9000 is older technology, the FT-5000 is newer.

Now a friend of mine owns a K3, loaded, 2nd receiver etc. He told me for the money (K3 loaded was cheaper than a FT-5000) he would take the K3 any day of the week. He does a lot of low band DX'ing, so he must really like the features of the K3.



Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: W4HLN on March 02, 2012, 06:51:38 PM
I own the FT-950 (Times TWO!) and the FT-2000D

If I had to do it all over again I'd forget the FT-2000D

The FT-950 is just as good in EVERY way (Except 100 watts less output than the 2000D) and really rocks in weak DX and contest work!

And no the FT-450 is not a "BABY 950 or 2000" It's not even close!

I used to own the Ft-450 too!

Ernie / W4HLN


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: N8TI on March 03, 2012, 04:59:47 AM
Do you guys feel that the FT-950 would outperform the FT-1000 on receive? A new FT-950 is same price as a used FT-1000.

Joe


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: VE3PP on March 03, 2012, 06:04:15 AM
Do you guys feel that the FT-950 would outperform the FT-1000 on receive? A new FT-950 is same price as a used FT-1000.

Joe

Joe bring your FT-1000 here for two months and I will compare it to my FT-950  ;D All in the name of research of course!


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: N8TI on March 03, 2012, 10:44:35 AM
Well Rick, what do you think? Do you think 20 years of advancements brought the FT-950 up to the FT-1000?  If it did, which it really should have,  then the 950 must be a hell of a bargain for $1300 US.

Joe


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: VE3PP on March 03, 2012, 02:30:07 PM
Well Rick, what do you think? Do you think 20 years of advancements brought the FT-950 up to the FT-1000?  If it did, which it really should have,  then the 950 must be a hell of a bargain for $1300 US.

Joe

Well Joe I have never operated a FT-1000. However that must be a very good rig when you consider the selling price of them after all these years on the market.

I am happy with my FT-950. I will say this about the FT-9000 when compared to the FT-5000. I talked to a guy in CA one day on 17 M SSB. He was using a FTDX-5000. He had owned a FT-9000 and told me the 5000 was a far superior rig. Remember that the 9000 is older technology when compared to the 5000.

For what you pay for the FT-950 it is a pretty good radio. You can go join the Yahoo FT-950 group and ask all the questions you might have about the rig.

Rick


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: W9KDX on March 03, 2012, 03:15:02 PM
Well, I don't want to add to any conflicts and I certainly don't want to start a war.  But I have both the FT-950, used for about a year, and an FT-DX5000 now for about two weeks, both with the same antenna.  The largest difference I can see so far is that the notch, the shift, the DNR, and the contour all work quite a bit better than with the FT-950.  I never could get the notch or shift to do anything that benefited my signal reception, however the FT-DX5000 controls make a significant difference when I am working on getting rid of signal interference from close stations.  I especially could see the difference this weekend during the DX contest where I had plenty of opportunity to work with adjacent signals.

The DNR with the FT-950 was always a hit or miss deal with the degree of reduction kind or scattered all around.  Sometimes a higher number was quieter and sometimes a lower number.  It made getting noise down a real time burner as I would have to try each number and wait a second to see what was going on.  With the FT-DX5000, the DNR is progressive as the number rise, which is what would be expected.

As for the scope unit with speakers, these speakers are amazing and often work as well as my Koss Pro4AA headphones which is way ahead of anything else I have used.  Also, the scope display is limited, but it is helpful, and it matches what I am used to with the DMU-2000.  For the $80, it should not be skipped.

The receiver specs speak for themselves and the reception is better as expected.  The big differences are with the way the controls work when listening.


Title: RE: Primary differences, Yaesu 950/2000/5000/9000
Post by: NA0AA on March 10, 2012, 08:34:55 AM
I may get a chance to A/B an FT-2000 vs 5000 at the same QTH.  Should be interesting.  I've owned the 5000 for a year now, but it's in a different shack, 1000 miles distant.

In my CA QTH where the 2000 is located, the supposed lack of receiver performance is not obvious to me, but the noise level at that location is so high.  Here in CO, it's S-0 to S1 noise so it should be a better test.

I think if it was my money, I'd buy a 950 instead of a 2000 today, but the 5000 is really a great rig - I say that as an operator who loves to have all buttons and knobs for operating controls.  Once you set up a 5000 you practically can pitch the manual, everything is on the front.