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Title: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: PS7HD on April 30, 2012, 04:32:17 PM
Hello,
I'm new to CW (3 yrs), but I practice a lot and get my QSOs have around 20 wpm, have an average of three QSOs per day, after much struggle I made my record in LoTW, something hard to do now after 600 LOGs sent, have 17 DXCC entities confirmed. Anyone of you have attained a degree using only LoTW DXCC?, What should I do? I'm on the road?
Thanks for your attention, 73.

Att, Nathan, PS7HD


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: N2CJ on April 30, 2012, 06:22:10 PM
Yes it is not difficult to work DXCC using only LoTW, but you may have to work some countries several times because many stations do not upload to LoTW.


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: N3QE on May 01, 2012, 04:27:45 AM
Hi Nathan!

  An easy way to get more than 50 countries confirmed in a single weekend, is a DX contest (e.g. CQ WPX... coming up May 26.). 3 QSO's a day is decent outside a contest, but in a DX contest you'll be able to do 300 in a day, no problem.

  LOTW confirmation rates in contests is higher than in general QSO'ing. Still not 100%, but close to 50% for CW contests.

  Contests generally are moving along at 25-28 WPM but higher in the CW band there are some who are slowing down, and a plus is that generally those running will be sending their calls and exchanges frequently so you get many chances to decode their call.

  Now getting more than 100 confirmed just in contests, that's hard. (Not impossible, others regularly work more than 100 DX entities in a single contest, but I'm not there yet! Typically I'm at 70 or 80 entities per contest.) But with a little effort to find the DXpeditions especially DXpeditions that confirm by LOTW or even better confirm quickly by LOTW (there are several guys who confirm same day even when on a rock in the middle of the ocean) you can hit 100. With the web you can browse DXpedition schedules and plans.

  Yes, there are many of us with all-LOTW DXCC :-).  I'm just 12 QSO's short of 5BDXCC via LOTW only confirmations.


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: W8CQU on May 01, 2012, 07:16:11 AM
Yes you can do it, just takes a little patience.  As stated earlier, just work the same countries over and over as the opportunity arises until you get the QSL.  I have both DXCC and WAS confirmed by just LoTW.  I use N3FJP’s logbook and at the end of the day upload my contacts to LoTW and the next morning I download them.  Works great for me.  When I was working for the awards it was always a thrill to see a new QSL show up.  Eventually you will have them all.  Good luck to you and have fun.

Paul/W8CQU


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: AE4RV on May 01, 2012, 08:58:33 AM
I earned DXCC last year using LotW only. It only took about eight months of relatively casual operating and dabbling in four big contests. No amp, simple wire antennas in a very small back yard. 90% CW. (I'd still be working on it if it was all SSB!)

DX Lab software helped quit a bit (as did excellent conditions last year). The logger (DX Keeper) is very LotW and awards-pursuits friendly, and the software has a feature to help you visually identify DX (from the clusters) that you need that also is registered with LotW. I can't say enough positive things about this free software.

http://www.dxlabsuite.com/

Good luck! I had so much fun getting my DXCC, and before last year never thought I would earn it.

73, Geoff


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: AC4RD on May 01, 2012, 09:21:48 AM
I earned DXCC last year using LotW only. It only took about eight months of relatively casual operating ...Good luck! I had so much fun getting my DXCC, and before last year never thought I would earn it.

Nathan, I agree with Geoff--and just wanted to point out that you'll find it easier to get that first DXCC via LOTW than you would if you were doing it with paper QSLs, in my opinion!  I hit 100 countries worked nearly 20 years ago but never bothered sending in cards.  It was only when LOTW made it so easy that I finally applied for DXCC!  :)   I only had 2 CW contacts in LOTW as of last winter, but started using CW again for fun.  Just like Geoff did, operating casually and playing in a few contests has brought me 75+ countries on CW without even trying hard!   It'll be easier than you think, Nathan!  73 GL!  --ken ac4rd


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: AD9DX on May 01, 2012, 07:16:29 PM
Yes you can do it, just takes a little patience.  As stated earlier, just work the same countries over and over as the opportunity arises until you get the QSL.  I have both DXCC and WAS confirmed by just LoTW.  I use N3FJP’s logbook and at the end of the day upload my contacts to LoTW and the next morning I download them.  Works great for me.  When I was working for the awards it was always a thrill to see a new QSL show up.  Eventually you will have them all.  Good luck to you and have fun.

Paul/W8CQU


Once you have all the setup bugs worked out, the N3FJP software is blessedly simple to use for LOTW.  I have been doing CW seriously for about 6 months and have over 60 confirmed via LOTW the CW-WPX contest was a bust for me.  A stupid rabbit ate my coax so that kinda screwed me.  BTW I have 134 countries confirmed CW/phone on LOTW.  I have only been a ham for a year. Keep getting QSOs and the DXCC will come sooner than you think.  FWIW I get a few confirmations a month that are over 6 months old. It seems to me that patience is the most important skill in confirming DX.  Good luck.  See you on the bands.


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: K8AC on May 08, 2012, 08:26:57 PM
I just checked my LOTW total and see that I just turned over 302 that way.  It certainly does save a lot of money!  In a couple of cases, I received the LOTW confirmation within 24 hours.  On the other hand, a couple of months ago I received a card from a QSL I sent out over 20 years ago.  With the high confirmation rate from LOTW in contests, I'll bet it's possible to confirm 100 these days via LOTW in a single contest - but it wouldn't be easy. 

73, K8AC


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: PS7HD on September 27, 2012, 06:17:42 AM
Hello, after a few months, I have already submitted QSO 1520, 280 of these were QSL, which resulted in 49 DXCC entities confirmed, WPX not served to me, that is a hell, HI, keep on fighting, patient ...
QRV 73 es QRV
Nathan PS7HD
SKCC # 8094C


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: AE4RV on September 27, 2012, 07:42:32 AM
Great, keep it up. I started in spring of last year and finished in December. You can do it!

73, Geoff


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: AA5TB on September 27, 2012, 08:13:07 AM
Hi Nathan,

I never took DXCC seriously until LotW.  I have shoe boxes full of QSL cards (which I charish) but I earned my DXCC CW  via LotW only QSLs a few years ago.  Most of these QSO's were with QRP and at most 100 W from my antenna restricted city lot.  You'll find that some activities have higher LotW return rates than others.  It seems to me that the larger contests have much higher LotW QSL rates.

If I can do it then it must not be that difficult.  Good luck with your LotW DXCC!

73,
Steve - AA5TB


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: VA7CPC on September 27, 2012, 08:46:19 AM
Hi Nathan!

  An easy way to get more than 50 countries confirmed in a single weekend, is a DX contest (e.g. CQ WPX... coming up May 26.). 3 QSO's a day is decent outside a contest, but in a DX contest you'll be able to do 300 in a day, no problem.

  LOTW confirmation rates in contests is higher than in general QSO'ing. Still not 100%, but close to 50% for CW contests.

  Contests generally are moving along at 25-28 WPM but higher in the CW band there are some who are slowing down, and a plus is that generally those running will be sending their calls and exchanges frequently so you get many chances to decode their call.
. . .

+1.

Two other suggestions:

. . . Get CW decoding software -- CWGet, fldigi, etc.

. . . Get "RufzXP", and practice with it.

That will make it easier to copy the frequent contest signals at 30+ wpm.  [CW decoders are considered "out-of-bounds" by some people.]

    Charles




Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: AE4RV on September 27, 2012, 09:18:58 AM
I'd say no to decoders and yes to RufzXP.

I can't converse much faster than 20 WPM, and at speeds above that can't do it for long, but I can copy a callsign at 40+ WPM, thanks to RufzXP.

And yes to DXLab software suite. Among its many uses is to show you where the DX that you need is and whether or not they are an LotW user. My LotW return rate was very high once I figured out how to use DXLab software. I'm sure it would have taken me at least twice as long to earn my DXCC without it.

http://www.dxlabsuite.com/


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: PA0BLAH on September 27, 2012, 09:33:16 AM
I, and a lot of other guys were always sloppy in filling out logs. Lotw requires .5 hour matching in time, so a lot of QSO's are not confirmed, when you sent in your sloppy logs, not remembering about UTC (GMT) local time, or summer time (daylight savings time) .

However when you submit them again and again with .5 hour difference each batch, the catching rate increases above any reasonable expectation.

You will probably not believe, but over the years I got a lot of paper QSL's via bureau of QSO's I never made. It happens one time that I heard my own call on 80 used in CW  by another guy.

So I easily could apply for DXCC unlis.  

You could say, why is a guy  using your call in CW and not getting his own license, that was when CW was still required. I wondered too, but I think I know the answer. Some commercial or military telegraphist too stupid to learn the simple technical requirements. I am pretty sure, because there are here in the Netherlands novices with a PD call active with CW because they are ex RO, but they are hardly or not able and studying for a year already to perform the test for the full license. No problem they have restricted band use, but work everywhere in each ham band they want , and their appliances are suited for, with CW, because the local FCC is not interested at all, (probably not able to copy their sigs...) , they prefer consuming coffee during paid labor time, bought in the Amsterdam coffeeshops.

Bob


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: PS7HD on September 27, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
Thankful for the tips,
have caught the RufzXP and is now practicing copy call.
My station setup and my way of operating are not the most "aggressive" which might accelerate the achievement.
Rig FT897D pwr 50w ant dipole es G5RV jr,
not have a very competitive spirit, hi, but I enjoy a lot,
ok, no decoders, I have no computer at the station.
If it becomes too easy to lose the charm, hi. (google translate)
73 ES QRV

Nathan PS7HD
SKCC #8094C


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: PS7HD on December 16, 2013, 04:50:59 AM
After 5294 QSOs sent 1418 confirmed QSLs, I finally got my DXCC-CW, all done in a gentle way that began in 2009 when I decided to learn CW and it uses the HF bands, in the beginning I barely copied 8 wpm, now I'm comfortable at 20 wpm, that's it, tks for the tips, ;D  best 73 NathanPS7HD


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: WD4ELG on December 16, 2013, 09:50:06 AM
Excellent, Nathan!  Congratulations!


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: VA7CPC on December 16, 2013, 10:35:16 PM
Quote
. . .   An easy way to get more than 50 countries confirmed in a single weekend, is a DX contest (e.g. CQ WPX... coming up May 26.). 3 QSO's a day is decent outside a contest, but in a DX contest you'll be able to do 300 in a day, no problem.

  LOTW confirmation rates in contests is higher than in general QSO'ing. Still not 100%, but close to 50% for CW contests.

My experience also.   Active contesters use LoTW heavily.  With a computer-based logging program (e.g. N1MM Logger), you can have your log uploaded minutes after the end of a contest.

.           Charles


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: LU7YWC on December 17, 2013, 06:42:21 PM
Just over a year on CW and 6 months of LOTW and 12 entities away from dxcc. Many contests. Working gooooooood! The way to go. Almost all dxpeditions upload fast. Go for it!


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: KF7DS on December 22, 2013, 09:15:29 PM
Hello,
I'm new to CW (3 yrs), but I practice a lot and get my QSOs have around 20 wpm, have an average of three QSOs per day, after much struggle I made my record in LoTW, something hard to do now after 600 LOGs sent, have 17 DXCC entities confirmed. Anyone of you have attained a degree using only LoTW DXCC?, What should I do? I'm on the road?
Thanks for your attention, 73.

Att, Nathan, PS7HD

Nathan:

Good to see you on eHam as well as our contacts in WES. I am CW only and it has been two years since I got back into the hobby. I use Lotw, eqsl and direct qsls. As of today, i have 58 CW DX confirmations on lotw and see no reason why I should not have cw only dxcc on lotw only in the next 18 months.

It is interesting to note that my confirmation rate on lotw is 40% vs 25% for eqsl

Best Don KF7DS SKCC#8281T


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: WX2S on December 26, 2013, 06:28:15 AM
I'm currently one state away from WAS via LotW. It can be frustrating getting confirmations.

I've set up some SQL queries in SpotCollector for unworked states that are on LotW. Skimmer input was helpful in spotting states calling CQ.

For DX, OQRS has been the most reliable in getting confirmations, followed by paper QSL cards, then LOTW.

Congrats on DXCC, BTW!

73, Steve wx2s.


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: KF7DS on December 26, 2013, 10:58:24 PM
Which State do you need Steve. Took me about 650 US CW confirmations to get WAS via LOTW (have yet to apply for it yet).

Don KF7DS


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: WX2S on December 27, 2013, 05:15:18 AM
Which State do you need Steve. Took me about 650 US CW confirmations to get WAS via LOTW (have yet to apply for it yet).

Don KF7DS
Louisiana. I've QSOed about two or three who are on LotW and have at least one paper QSL, but so far no LotW.

If you're using DXLab, uploading to LotW is a matter of a few clicks. I tend to upload every few days or immediately after getting someone I especially want to verify. So I don't understand why some hams wait months or years, or just never do it.

Worked a nice fellow the other day and asked him to QSL via LotW. He sent me a paper card instead. Go figure.

73, Steve.


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: N3QE on December 27, 2013, 06:35:05 AM
Louisiana. I've QSOed about two or three who are on LotW and have at least one paper QSL, but so far no LotW.

In many contests you will find W5EW, N5VU, K5ER, KZ5D, AA5AU, N5RLM on from Louisiana and they all confirm quickly via LOTW.

NAQP and RTTY Roundup (both coming in the next few weeks) may be very good times to pick many of these guys up.


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: N7SMI on December 27, 2013, 09:46:19 AM
I have CW DXCC and just completed CW WAS. But here's the dirty secret - I barely know CW. I can just fumble through a 10 wpm QSO, though am improving all the time. I got this far via contests and working DXpeditions using a code reader and/or listening A LOT. It's easy to send your call sign and a contest exchange or 5NN TU at 25 wpm with some practice (or a keyer), and I can pick out my callsign in QRM at 50 wpm.


Title: RE: DXCC CW- USING ONLY LoTW
Post by: KF7DS on December 28, 2013, 10:03:53 PM
Congratulations on the CW DXCC

Don KF7DS