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Title: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KD5NLV on September 18, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
Maybe i'm just being an old fart but does anyone else think that PSK31 qso's include too much canned useless information? I enjoy the occassional ragchew, but mostly enjoy working new states and DXCC countries. My exchanges are usually vary efficient and consist of relevant information. However almost all of the exchanges I recieve are filled with a ton of unnecessary information like listing every club, with member #, that they belong too, every single piece of radio equipment they own, even if its in storage somewhere else, the computer they use including the cpu speed,  operating system, moden, and router. I've even had a handful of guys send how many kids and grandkids they have. And almost every qso ends with TU for this bpsk31 qso of date, day, and time. I mean come on, really? Its incradible how different psk31 qso's are from anything I've had on CW, SSB, or RTTY.

I have no problem with long ragchews and exchanging any of this info if the qso goes in that direction. What I dont like is guys just mashing a macro early in the qso which sends a page of all this information that I really don not care about. It's a waste of bandwidth. Also, hasnt everyone heard of LoTW? Alot of people I work on psk31 use it but most do not. Too lazy to set up an account? You do know that eqsl means nothing towards DXCC, right?

Im also amaized at the number of psk31 op's who dont know what CQ DX means and insist on calling. FYI - The definition of CQ DX is not what it is on 11 meters.

Maybe the psk31 crowd is made up of new hams who are just happy to talk to someone so they load up macros with their life story, maybe it's borderline poor operating practice,  I dont know.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: N4CR on September 18, 2012, 09:20:10 PM
I agree that a few operators plug the kitchen sink into their macros but a lot of them don't. Take a look at the PODXS contests if you want to see terse exchanges. Most of the members of that group will not send the kitchen sink to you at any time.

What you attribute to 'almost all the exchanges' seems a bit of a stretch to me. I've got a few thousand PSK qso's under my belt and I think you are exaggerating a bit.

There's usually a personal info, an equipment list and a goodbye at minimum. That's pretty typical. Just like CW QSOs have a different flavor and pace than SSB QSOs, so do PSK-31 have a different flavor, pace and customs. Most DX stations won't put the equipment list in, but those that do seem to write a novel.

I see it like this. Everyone is different. It takes all kinds to make a society. Amateur radio is a cross section of society, so we see all kinds. Unless I'm in a hurry, I don't sweat it. If I'm the one calling CQ I can send my 73 at any time and move on to the next one. If I'm answering someone elses CQ then I have to converse with them as they see fit.

I have found it annoying when I do see someone write a novel in the brag sheet and hit the send button. But i never found it to be almost everyone.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AD6KA on September 18, 2012, 09:22:38 PM
"Macro Ops" have been a problem for a
long time. Just button pushers.
MAYBE they don't think they are fast
enough to type ahead while receiving your
transmission, but I think that they are just lazy.

EXCEPTION: Foreign ops with limited language skills.
BUT...those ops don't load their macros with useless
information like how much RAM their computer uses.

When I run into a real "Macro Op" I will try once
or twice
to get them off topic by asking a personal question:
Do you do any fishing?
What other hobbies do you have?
What are you doing on December 21st, 2012? (Kidding.....) ;D

If they come back with yet ANOTHER macro I
just come back with "TNX QSO, BCNU, 73 de AD6KA SK".

Or sometimes if they are REALLY long, I will just tune away
and find another signal. Rude? Maybe, but so are 10 minutes
of macros!

The problem won't go away, only get worse.
There's more "Push Button Ops" every day.
So I guess all we can do is set a good example
or ignore them.
73, Ken  AD6KA


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: N7SMI on September 19, 2012, 08:09:45 AM
This is the first complaint about macros I've ever seen. 
::)

I'm relatively new to PSK and will send the standard Name, RST, QTH, Grid macro at first contact. This is not unlike how you'd start a normal conversation. l then try to engage in a short conversation sans-macros (except a BTU, 73, etc. helper), but rag chewing on PSK is usually painful for me - much too slow, and worse when the other guy only types 5 words a minute. But I like feeling like I'm talking to a human. If they just push macros, I quickly move on. If they are interesting, I'll chat all night.

Devoting an entire line to the QSO data and time is just silly. I don't know anybody that doesn't own a clock, nor do I know anybody that could care what your club membership numbers are or what model of computer you're using.

The best solution to most of these problems is to not fall into the trap of doing it yourself.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AG6WT on September 19, 2012, 08:25:25 AM
The macro problem seems the worst on 20 meters in the late afternoon/early evening when it's most crowded. If a little conversation is your goal, try working the edges of the PSK31 windows or working the less popular bands. I've had a few long winded qsos on 40 and 80 but never on 20. When there are fewer contacts to be had, you are more likely to connect with someone who will chat. Also try "ragchew" modes like Olivia and DominoEX just above the PSK31 watering holes. Those are great modes for talking under marginal conditions where PSK31 just won't cut it.

As for LoTW, check out the K3UK sked page. It's primarily a page for hams to make contacts for WAS and DXCC but there are many digital ops there that will chat and use LoTW.

Ray KJ6AMF


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AA4PB on September 19, 2012, 09:04:53 AM
I think many use macros because they can't type. I'd probably rather see a macro than having a hunt and peck typist send at a rate of 1 character per second.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W5DQ on September 19, 2012, 09:21:34 AM
Maybe i'm just being an old fart but does anyone else think that PSK31 qso's include too much canned useless information?

This is a recurring topic here and on the 'Zed. I know I've posted a couple about it over the last few months or so.

It boils down to the fact that many PSK31 ops are older guys who have brought over the 'ragchew' from SSB but can't think about operating and can't type fast enough or well enough to keep up a good flow so they cram everything they can imagine ever saying to another ham into a myriad of macros. Then when someone comes along for a QSO, they just do a macro dump and you get it all. The really bad thing is once the macro guy starts his dump, you have no other recourse other than to sit there and wait till he done and then ask him to NOT SEND MACROS (that will probably send him over the cliff) or spin the dial and look for another QSO. I have seen some extreme examples of macro dumping that started right off the bat with the FIRST exchange and ran for over 2 minutes of dumping every fact about the guy's life short of his shoe size and favorite 'physical activity' with the XYL  :o

The problem is not so much that they use macros (there is nothing wrong with macros if done correctly) but they use them way too excessively and incorrectly. The ideal way to use macros (IMHO) is to have short responses and facts in a series of macros that can be used in place of typing, stringing them together or one at a time as needed and not a single macro of your life's experiences, successes/failures and medical history. Yet that is exactly what many of them do!!!  >:(

I finally had enough of it and now refuse to use PSK31 anymore. I have migrated on to other digital modes like JT65-HF. It might be boring as watching paint dry but at least there aren't any macros involved and each QSO is roughly the same 4 to 6 minutes long and then on to a new one.

Gene W5DQ


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: NT6X on September 19, 2012, 09:37:18 AM
I think many use macros because they can't type. I'd probably rather see a macro than having a hunt and peck typist send at a rate of 1 character per second.


I think his gripe was about the boat load of useless crap (club memberships, HF Amps, breakdown of computer componients, etc) thats in the macros. Not macros in general. I also think there was a jab at guys with long winded signoff messages with stretched out thank you's followed by day, date, time, bpsk31 qso # on 20m.

All of which I totally agree!


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on September 19, 2012, 02:18:33 PM
I am a very active PSK31 operator (as well as other digimodes).

I think the main reason that the macros are so long is that people do not customize them.
Most of the popular software comes with predefined macros, and there are other tag pages which allow you to enter your information.
So some ops see the page with rig, antenna, power, club, age ...... and just fill it all in.
The macros, by default will cross reference this information and dutifully send it all.

I can usually tell which software the op is using by seeing the info coming from his macro, since the default is rarely changed.

Perhaps many ops are not computer literate enough, or confident to customize the macro's, or they just don't know they should.

Most digimode programs have an option to save your current macros as a file.
You can then reload this macro file anytime to restore your macros to that state.
I do this all the time when reloading digimode software, in the same way that I reload my logbook ADIF file with new software.

So to those ops who are wary of changing macros, first save your current macros (look under the macros heading in your software).
Then reload it to ensure it works ok.
Then customise the macros as you wish and then save a copy of that as another filename.
In this way you can always get back to where you started.

In the same way that many devices and software is left with default passwords and configurations, digimodes software is just the same.
Personally, when I see that long default macro coming down the line, I know I have a few minutes to boil the kettle for a cup of coffee.

Or if you are on Olivia, you could probably make that nice little spice rack the xyl is always nagging you about.

73 - Rob


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: K5TED on September 19, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
Taking notes here... 

1. If you don't tend to conduct your QSO's as I see fit, then you are crap

2. Your operating is crap if you don't do it the way I think is good

3. In the absence of actual regulations, I am the ultimate authority of how you conduct your QSO's. Failure to comply makes you crap.

4. Finally, if you don't log your QSO's the way I like you to, then you are crap.


Good deal. Glad we got that cleared up and well defined.



Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AC4BB on September 19, 2012, 10:23:21 PM
Then either go elsewhere or tell the op TMI.Nuff, said.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: N9AOP on September 20, 2012, 01:50:28 AM
I think that long macros by some folks and this mode go together and I would expect nothing less.  It's sort of like on CW where some op's run all of their words together without any spaces.
What does surprise me is when I have a PSK qso with someone half way around the world and they send me all the macro info including their e-mail and then say to QSL via that tired old burro.
That is like taking a jet to LA and then having to take the stage coach to your hotel.
Art


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: K0JEG on September 20, 2012, 04:53:36 PM
I think many use macros because they can't type. I'd probably rather see a macro than having a hunt and peck typist send at a rate of 1 character per second.


I think that's a lot of it. I tend to be a fast but inaccurate typist, so I do a lot of backspacing. Now, I don't really care if people see me not type every line out perfectly, but maybe some do. I've often thought these people should try Dragon Dictate or some voice recognition software instead of the macro diarrhea. But I guess some people want to see the same old brag files. I really don't want to "brag" about my station, it's just like everyone else's. Japanese radio, Chinese computer and aging operator. American cables tie it all together.

I also think the software is somewhat to blame too. If the programs acted more like an IRC/IM client, where the text is only sent after a carriage return/line feed (that's enter key to those of you who've never used a teletype) instead of keying the transmitter and sending out text immediately, I think it would tend to minimize use of macros. This I think because you wouldn't be under as much pressure to type quickly.

Heck, it might even allow for some round-table style QSOs and nets instead of 1 to 1 conversations.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: N4UM on September 20, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
The solution is really quite simple.  Once the microcephalic macroholic makes his presence known by attempting to inflict his "information" on you...just bump your vfo dial and let him send his useless drivel into the ether.  Don't bother saying  goodbye or 73 or any of that stuff.  Just let him merrily send away while nobody is listening.  Eventually he may just catch on if enough people don't bother coming back to him. 

Rudeness in the face of rudeness is a virtue.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: WA2AAR on September 20, 2012, 06:27:20 PM
If you don't like what goes on on PSK just go to another mode.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: TTOMAS59 on September 25, 2012, 01:45:34 PM
For me qsos are pretty boring esp JT65A. I can't work more than 5 stations at a time without going into a coma. Lately I've been building cheap antennas with pvc, tape, wire and glue. The process itself is the reward. Once it is built I see if it works. If not I try to improve it. If it does I think up a new project. Working qsos? Yawn.
 


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KC5GB on September 25, 2012, 06:15:04 PM
I've always thought the major macro 'villains' are the software suites with HRD heading the list.  Its preproduced macros are usually fiilled with unneeded, and sometimes silly wording.  Since it's possible to be "created" in one year and born in another, I find that particular one a laughable classic.
I'm not against all use of macros, but maybe each op should 'create' his/her own brief set.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W5DQ on September 26, 2012, 01:39:12 PM
Taking notes here... 

1. If you don't tend to conduct your QSO's as I see fit, then you are crap

2. Your operating is crap if you don't do it the way I think is good

3. In the absence of actual regulations, I am the ultimate authority of how you conduct your QSO's. Failure to comply makes you crap.

4. Finally, if you don't log your QSO's the way I like you to, then you are crap.


Good deal. Glad we got that cleared up and well defined.



Other than what you just posted as being crap ..... opinions, which are what is being posted here as far as I can tell, are like crap. Everyone has it in them.

However, if stating that I find some schmuck's life story coming back at me for several minutes in a long continous string after I respond to his CQ is crap, then pass me a roll of paper there, Jack.

I like to ragchew as much as anybody but I like to be able to get a word in edgewise before I go into a coma waiting for the other guy to get done with his 14 chapters of how old he is, how many times he's been to the docs that week, what meds he takes, what he's retired from or works at, ad naseum, ad nasuem, ad naseum.......

Nothing wrong with a macro saying hello, your name, where you live and then either a sig report or a turn over back to the other guy. What most are saying here is break your life story up into manageable sizes. I doubt I have a macro on any digital mode that is more than 8 to 10 words long. Easy to string them together as needed just don't over do it!

Gene W5DQ



Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KJ4YAC on September 27, 2012, 01:32:18 PM
and 'brag files'?  Mine, which I only send when asked "What are you running?" is:

"I'm running a Yaesu 450D feeding a stealth, 18 1/2 foot end-fed, up about 9 feet.
35 watts."

Mercifully brief.



Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W6BP on September 27, 2012, 03:42:37 PM
and 'brag files'?  Mine, which I only send when asked "What are you running?" is:

"I'm running a Yaesu 450D feeding a stealth, 18 1/2 foot end-fed, up about 9 feet.
35 watts."

Mercifully brief.



Not only brief, but conversational in tone, unlike the usual table of station info.  I think it's a good idea.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W5DQ on September 27, 2012, 04:26:59 PM
and 'brag files'?  Mine, which I only send when asked "What are you running?" is:

"I'm running a Yaesu 450D feeding a stealth, 18 1/2 foot end-fed, up about 9 feet.
35 watts."

Mercifully brief.



An excellent model to follow for a PSK31 (or any digital mode) macro.

Gene W5DQ



Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AG6WT on September 27, 2012, 05:28:17 PM
and 'brag files'?  Mine, which I only send when asked "What are you running?" is:

"I'm running a Yaesu 450D feeding a stealth, 18 1/2 foot end-fed, up about 9 feet.
35 watts."

Mercifully brief.



Not only brief but it invites are response before the other op looses interest. Like "how well does your low wire do on EU Dx?"

If you are going to send a macro, at least make it look like you are typing. Usually what I do, or did as I don't do PSK31 anymore, was to taylor my macros so that it could start a conversation and as it was being transmitted, I could type a follow up sentence or question before it was done. The time while the macro was transmitting gave me a chance to think of what to say, then type and correct my typing mistakes before my transmission ended. This helped eliminate some of the dead air of trying to think of something to say. Also, if I was really quick, I'd pop up the other ops qrz page and see if they had anything in their bio that might be interesting to talk about.

Ray KJ6AMF


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: G0GQK on October 08, 2012, 01:56:15 PM
The reason why some PSK users send all the time, date stuff and how many clubs they belong to is they don't have much to say. There is nothing wrong in using macro's if the stuff on them is how you would speak to someone if you were using a microphone.
 I've been operating for years, I keep seeing the same calls each time I operate and seeing the same "All is OK my friend QSL card 100% etc" but almost all my contacts, because of the poor conditions, are in western Europe and many cannot use a keyboard. Even the users in the states are the same ones, when they are able to contact Europe. It would be nice to have contacts with people who are new !

Mel G0GQK


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: K4EZD on October 10, 2012, 03:18:00 PM
My solution seems simple---if I only want the basic contact I press my 73 macro button after the first response that has the basic info of name, signal report, and location.  They always respond with their 73 macro at that point.  As an aside, I have found that psk operators are more polite and considerate than ssb.  Never ran into a rude psk operator but on ssb it is easy to find a wide range of psychopathology and a wide spectrum of personality disorders.  ;D


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W5DQ on October 10, 2012, 03:44:40 PM
My solution seems simple---if I only want the basic contact I press my 73 macro button after the first response that has the basic info of name, signal report, and location.  They always respond with their 73 macro at that point.  As an aside, I have found that psk operators are more polite and considerate than ssb.  Never ran into a rude psk operator but on ssb it is easy to find a wide range of psychopathology and a wide spectrum of personality disorders.  ;D

That's because PSK ops tend not to usually talk about anything specific but rather send macro after macro after macro of canned text about when they were 'created', how many screws there PC case has in it, results of last month's medical checkup and an assorted list of complaint about the government. It's hard to create macros that contain appropriate rude behavior for every given situation :P


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: K0CBA on October 11, 2012, 08:01:14 AM
I think many use macros because they can't type. I'd probably rather see a macro than having a hunt and peck typist send at a rate of 1 character per second.


Then why the heck are they 'playing' on a keyboard mode?
Typing should be should be like CW? either learn it and keep trying to improve or try something else. 


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: N3DF on October 11, 2012, 12:44:21 PM
Canned brag files have been common for a long time.  Used to frequently encounter them on RTTY in the 1960s (loops of punched tape).  I would bet they were common in the 1950s, as well. 


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W6TGE on October 11, 2012, 01:05:09 PM
Yeah, remember RTTY Pictures that took forever?


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W6TGE on October 11, 2012, 02:20:40 PM
WOW, I see what you guys mean! I am not on yet, as I have not put up my antenna(s) from our move to Oregon. BUT, I d/l Digipan and tried the k7age sample! I see some equipment brag files showing their computers memory! GEEZE!

One thing I did not expect was the RTTY type typos. Is this noise or just guys who do not type well. I don't care I just thought for some reason that the "print" would be clean.

One thing I may try is to bring my TS940 up to this computer (that I built myself with 1 GB of memor...OH, never mind :-)) and attach a hunk of wire for an antenna to see what I can copy live on 20M.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W5DQ on October 11, 2012, 02:46:40 PM
WOW, I see what you guys mean! I am not on yet, as I have not put up my antenna(s) from our move to Oregon. BUT, I d/l Digipan and tried the k7age sample! I see some equipment brag files showing their computers memory! GEEZE!

One thing I did not expect was the RTTY type typos. Is this noise or just guys who do not type well. I don't care I just thought for some reason that the "print" would be clean.

One thing I may try is to bring my TS940 up to this computer (that I built myself with 1 GB of memor...OH, never mind :-)) and attach a hunk of wire for an antenna to see what I can copy live on 20M.

If your just going to listen for now, be sure and put the Ts940 in FSK mode (bottom of stack of mode buttons). This way you will be able to use the narrow filtering afforded by the 940s receiver. I use a TS940S on RTTY in FSK mode and it works great for that.

Gene W5DQ


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W6TGE on October 11, 2012, 05:21:14 PM
Well, I do have the TS940SAT and have used FSK mode before when in CA (before the move). I will try that. Perhaps for low power I can even try a CQ if I can get the antenna away from me.

'73.
Dave


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KG6MZS on October 12, 2012, 10:10:27 AM
Rudeness in the face of rudeness is a virtue.

Do you really think so?  To me it sounds like just so much more rudeness.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on October 12, 2012, 03:24:07 PM
Rudeness in the face of rudeness is a virtue.

Do you really think so?  To me it sounds like just so much more rudeness.

Jumping into a mud pit to fight someone else means no one comes out clean.

Ben Franklin was a good statesman because of one of the things he remembered from his childhood.
Having wanted a whistle from the local store, he saved up and paid a lot for it.
After buying it, the other kids made fun of him for paying too much.

He remembered this later in life, and ensured he "never paid too much for the whistle".
Of course this is euphemistic for confrontation and diplomatic discussions.

Angry and rude people have built in demons tormenting them - they are best left to their fate.

73 - Rob


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KK4AH on October 12, 2012, 03:49:25 PM
After reading all the responses I was wondering if the contest guys who work psk would like the macro dumps?


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: WN2C on October 13, 2012, 11:52:05 AM
After 3 pages of responses I find it interesting that the OP never came back. Maybe he thought all the response were to long like the macros he hates.

73 and have a good day
wn2c


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W6TGE on October 13, 2012, 12:52:14 PM
After 3 pages of responses I find it interesting that the OP never came back. Maybe he thought all the response were to long like the macros he hates.

73 and have a good day
wn2c

You know, I always hate that on any forum. I always wonder why someone posts and never returns. This even happens on the TIVO forum where people have a specific question and never return!


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KT4EP on October 14, 2012, 08:35:39 AM
I've had conversations with interesting people after they sent their long macro and then I asked them some questions and got them to talking about themselves instead of their station and equipment, etc.  They came across as surprised that someone actually wanted to talk rather than just swap information by macro.   One fellow was a WW2 vet with some interesting stories.   Another wanted to talk about his boat and another his grand kids.  No problem on my end  :)

and then there was one fellow who  pointedly and brusquely  told me all he was interested in was a contact in the log book and did not want to engage in conversation.  Rude IMO, but I'm sure he has made A LOT of contacts and missed out on some interesting chats.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: WN2C on October 14, 2012, 10:21:09 AM
I've had conversations with interesting people after they sent their long macro and then I asked them some questions and got them to talking about themselves instead of their station and equipment, etc.  They came across as surprised that someone actually wanted to talk rather than just swap information by macro.   One fellow was a WW2 vet with some interesting stories.   Another wanted to talk about his boat and another his grand kids.  No problem on my end  :)

and then there was one fellow who  pointedly and brusquely  told me all he was interested in was a contact in the log book and did not want to engage in conversation.  Rude IMO, but I'm sure he has made A LOT of contacts and missed out on some interesting chats.

After reading this I think about the article in last months QST: "How many friends did you make".  When one thinks about all of the contacts they have made over the months or years, how many have turned into 'friends'? I bet quite alot if you spend any time talking to them. But not many if you are just looking for the contact and moving on. When I am on PSK I usually send my brag file prefaced with the comment of 'ok lets get this out of the way' and then move on to some typing to get to the real QSO. Have had some real good QSO's that way.

73 de wn2c  Rick


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KG6MZS on October 15, 2012, 10:53:48 AM
and then there was one fellow who  pointedly and brusquely  told me all he was interested in was a contact in the log book and did not want to engage in conversation.  Rude IMO, but I'm sure he has made A LOT of contacts and missed out on some interesting chats.

There is a tactful way to say that you are looking to move on and see who else you might contact.  It works both ways.  I've responded to questions and after a few exchanges asked to be excused only to be ignored by the ragchewer.  Me, I'd never want to give up ragchewing *or* the quickies.  It all depends on my mood.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KJ4YAC on October 15, 2012, 01:31:32 PM
I've run  across PSK CQs where the guy will finish his CQ with 'short QSO only pse'.  I'll reply with hiscall DE mycall, my name, QTH, his signal report, 73, and SK....all on one transmission. Fine by me if that's what he's doing.  I dunno, maybe he's trying to set a personal record for QSOs/hour or something? Happy to help.

During a 'regular' QSO, I'll often comment on the quality of the other guy's signal (if it's good), something about his QTH, etc.  This will often be the start of a nice rag chew....especially on 17 meters or, for that matter, on Olivia or Feld Hell on any band.

And yes, there's often a comment about my little stealth end fed.  Something like "I can't believe the signal you're putting out with that thing!" I smile to myself when I hear that.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W6UX on October 20, 2012, 05:15:53 PM
My macros are setup to adapt to the style of the op I'm working.  DX, ragchew, or standard macro exchange.  If they want to chat, I do.  If not, no biggy, in the log they go and I move on.

-Jeff


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KA1VF on October 23, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
I've been a casual PSK31 operator for exactly four years this month, and I don't
like the canned "Brag" macro files. But, conversely, I'm appalled at some of the
really personal info that folks type about freehand to complete strangers.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on October 23, 2012, 06:14:30 PM
I've been a casual PSK31 operator for exactly four years this month, and I don't
like the canned "Brag" macro files. But, conversely, I'm appalled at some of the
really personal info that folks type about freehand to complete strangers.


Not that I am a gossip, but what sort of stuff?
And does it come with pictures?

Please don't tell me it is their health problems - that would be too much information.
I am assuming it is not SS numbers - that would be disturbing.
Otherwise, in this networked world, most of us are open books, so we just add to the general information overload with any PSK data.

But yes, I agree, sometimes we think we are on a peer to peer network rather than in a broadcast mode - so appropriate caution should be exercised.

73 - Rob


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AD6KA on October 27, 2012, 09:05:00 PM
When I was 5R8GQ in Madagascar I loved to
work PSK-31. It was a great way to work the
"little guys". Guys with compromise antennas
and low power. (As opposed to the Big Guns who
dominated the pileups on SSB).

Anyway, I wanted to give as many people as I could
a 5R8 QSO, as it is a pretty rare prefix on that mode.
Despite me including "Contest Style QSO Please"
in my CQ, many, many people would dump these
long macros on me.... while others were patiently
waiting to call. I usually just changed frequencies while
their macros were running and called another CQ.
Maybe it was rude of me, but those people I bailed
on were in the log and got their QSL cards......

73, Ken  AD6KA/5R8GQ


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: NQ3X on November 16, 2012, 06:47:04 AM
Sorry to practice 'thread necromancy', but Ken's post rings very true.  I'm a complete neophyte PSK operator, having gotten into the mode out of a desire to help people fill their band/mode award maps for USVI. That means when I call CQ, I want to crank out Qs, like any other mode.  When I call CQ DX on, say 30m CW, it's "call tu 599" and nobody gets upset.  But if you ask people to stop sending their long PSK macros with their complete station and personal info right down to the numbers of the beta-test logger they're using and their cat's middle name, suddenly it's rude?

I don't get that.

I'm not advocating we stop ragchewing.  I'm thinking we need to use our collective loaf when calling DX and send the bare minimum.  Unless, of course, the DX is ragchewing; that link to the ancient ham radio maxim of "listen listen listen" is so blindingly obvious I shouldn't need to say it.  That's why it gets so frustrating when I'm running QSO after QSO of "T U 5NN QRZ" and some twerp dumps his stupid macro on me.  It hogs the frequency and gets in the way of others who want to contact me.  THAT is rude, IMO. 

That's my take on it.

Bob WP2XX


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W5DQ on November 16, 2012, 08:08:32 AM
Good example Bob. This was EXACTLY the point I was making back in the thread. Short sweet and follow the CQ'ers pattern. 599 TU or ragchew but limit those macros!

Gene W5DQ


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: NQ3X on November 17, 2012, 09:40:07 AM
AAAAAnd it happens again.

Working a W2 1x2 on 10m PSK63 who answered my CQ DX.  I'm running stations (as best I can).  I specifically state in my opening response "Pse no long macros".  What happens?  He clearly just hits an F-key and transmits half a James novel.  Then when I called him on it - "Next time listen to what the DX tells you" I get "this is a hobby, get a life".

This from an OT who was probably the original holder of the call.  

When I wrote, "Would you say the same if this was CW DXing?" he disappeared. I hope it was because he thought to himself, "Hey, you know, Bob's got a point", but I suspect it was a different reaction.  I mean, really - do you come back to a DX station who's doing "W2XX 5nn" with your normal ragchew response?  Only if you're a ... polite words fail me.

I'm ready to give this sh!t up and go play golf.  People need to learn how to DX in PSK.  

WP2XX


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on November 17, 2012, 04:01:20 PM
I used to be like you.

I would fight everyone on the freeway, complete with digital mode expression, but then one day I had an epiphany.
There were simply too many people who did not appreciate my fine motoring skills, and never would.
So now, I just enjoy my commute, let the goofballs fly by me and find another target - arriving at their destination upset, or worse.

If you find PSK31 too frustrating, it would probably be best to give it up, and take up golf as you indicated.
You will find similar frustrations in every other digital mode, including CW (early callsign inserters anyone?).
People are simply too variable and in some cases incorrigible.

You have now come to a crossroads - accept you are going to get frustrated by hams at times, or leave the hobby.
The choice is yours - whining and complaining about something you cannot change is not a third option.

Happy golfing,

73 - Rob


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KC4MOP on December 08, 2012, 07:22:51 AM
Reading these comments has changed my mind about setting my station up for this mode. Downloaded the software and was going to configure to work with my Flex radio or the Signalink on the TS440. I'm not interested in macro operators.
Fred


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: WN2C on December 08, 2012, 09:22:00 AM
Macros need to be short and to the point.  Rig, power, antenna, qth, name and signal report. When I send mine I let it be known the brag file is coming.  I intersperse it with maybe some other comments in response to their questions.  I think most people have problems with typing that is why macros are used with every send.  That and the macros are in the program, so they get used, often too much.

To MOP: Try it or don't, but don't let all these posts make up your mind for you. That's the easy way out. You got the program, give it a try.  You never know you might just like it.

73 DE wn2c  Rick


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on December 08, 2012, 01:33:06 PM
Reading these comments has changed my mind about setting my station up for this mode. Downloaded the software and was going to configure to work with my Flex radio or the Signalink on the TS440. I'm not interested in macro operators.
Fred

Fred,

I have been using PSK31 for many years, together with CW, and some SSB.
It is really no different to using CW or SSB in my estimation.
The problem with these threads is that they focus on extremes, and bypass the middle.

The same situation is found in television programs where the players are usually caricature's of real people.
They usually emphasize one facet of personality and attenuate the rest (black hat - white hat syndrome).

Have a listen on the PSK31 segments - you will hear friends chatting for hours and DX stations having microsecond contacts.
Like in real life, there are many facets to the personality of real people, and the same is true of PSK31.
Remember - everything you read on this thread is an opinion - not fact.
If you concentrate on 14.070 DX then you will have many 599 TU ... macro ... macro type contacts.

But I have also had hundreds of ragchews with DX stations going on for hours.
In my opinion, the main factor which decides whether you will have a ragchew or "touch and go" is cultural context.
For english speaking countries, I have found many times a ragchew will come naturally, conditions permitting.
I have also seen the same effect in eastern european stations who will change to a cyrillic ragchew when a local calls them.

Give these threads about the same relationship to reality that "Jersey shore" gives to life and you will be on safe ground.

73 - Rob
 
 


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KC4MOP on December 08, 2012, 07:16:53 PM
Very good points 2NC and STAYVERTICAL,
The forums seem to amplify both ends of the spectrum and the good part skipped over.
I'll give it a whirl.

Fred


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KD0UN on December 09, 2012, 06:23:49 AM
There are lots of different types of women.  A real man can find something to appreciate about any of them.  Some I like better than others.  Much like a qso. 


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: NQ3X on December 11, 2012, 03:21:01 AM
While I understand what many of you are saying, I think my perspective is different, and I think you've missed that.

What I'm saying is pretty simple: When I've got a bunch of stations calling me, and I'm trying to work those stations quickly, with "TU 599" exchanges, you're simply being a jerk if you dump your brag file on me.  You wouldn't call a DX station in a pileup and start blithering about your rig, antenna, logging software, etc on phone or CW.  Hell, you wouldn't do it on RTTY!  But PSK31, for some reason, it's perfectly acceptable.  And I'm the jerk if I complain about it?  I don't think so.  All I can do is spin the dial, because Macro-Man just completely spoiled my flow and took over my freq.  The jerk who wasn't listening to how the DX is operating just spoiled it for everyone.  That's not what I was taught was good operating practice.  My ham radio mentor taught me that the acceptable manner of operation is when you give the guy calling CQ the kind of QSO he wants.  Add to that the concept of listening to a DX station and getting a feel for his preferred method of operation and conforming to that, like the DX Code of Conduct would have us operate. 

I get that this is has degenerated into the same old "wham-bam-thank-you-mister vs ragchew QSO" argument.  And I regret venting due to that degeneration.  I thank everyone for their commentary and their patience with letting me vent.

Cheers,

 Bob WP2XX


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on December 12, 2012, 11:20:15 PM
Bob,

Everyone needs to vent, and I am glad it was cathartic.

But, and this is difficult to put into words in many ways:
For your own sanity, just accept that there will always be jerks around - both in ham radio and other facets of life.

I have been at the receiving end of the same situation as you have found.
We have all been patiently waiting for our turn to work a DX station, and then comes the macro dumper from hell.
Ten minutes later, when his macro finally finishes, the conditions have changed and you can't work the DX station any more.

The reason I am pushing keeping your cool is that it is an effective way to win.
Japans famed swordsman Miyamoto Musashi went into the legend status by winning duel after duel.
One of his most used tactics was to get the other person angry by coming late to a duel or otherwise getting his opponent to lose his temper.
Old time japanese samurai also went into battle considering themselves already dead men, so they were not afraid of death in the field.
In this way they were able to concentrate on fighting and paradoxically this gave them a better chance of survival.

A poem by Rudyard Kipling says it all:

***
If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream---and not make dreams your master;
If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!

Rudyard Kipling

***


73 - Rob


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: NQ3X on December 13, 2012, 03:48:48 AM
I dig you, Rob.  And I really don't let jerks get to me, I promise you.  (Right now the thing that's getting to me is my SGC-239 deciding to constantly search for a match on 10m if I run more than 15w on SSB, but that's another frustration entirely.  ;) )

Cheers,

Bob WP2XX


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: P29ZAD on December 14, 2012, 07:13:18 PM
I love PSK and use the macros all the time.  My favorite mode is PSK125 and there is no way I can type that fast.

I have maros set up for lazy days and other macros set up for fast QSOs.  Most stations seem to reply accordingly, but there are the newbies that presses the “brag” macro when I’m trying to work tons of stations per minute.  I can do one of two things.  Get upset, or go get a cup of coffee. ;D 

I have learned the most about DXing from listening and watching others Stations with more experience.  So the only way I can really impact “the world” of Ham radio is to set a good example and hope others learn from me.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: NN4RH on December 15, 2012, 05:44:54 AM
Why bother with the macros. Just put your life story from birth and a list of everything you own on your QRZ.com bio page, and set up one macro in PSK that says "Everything on QRZ".

Then you can skip over all that stuff and have a normal conversation if you want. And are capable of it.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KO3D on March 01, 2013, 06:14:46 AM
"Goodbye my dear friend best of luck to you and greetings to your family good DX and health for the upcoming year 73 Thank you for 20m BPSK31 QSO #8753 3/1/13 @ 1713 UTC. Farewell! CUAGN SK"


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W6UV on March 01, 2013, 01:59:47 PM
What I'm saying is pretty simple: When I've got a bunch of stations calling me, and I'm trying to work those stations quickly, with "TU 599" exchanges, you're simply being a jerk if you dump your brag file on me.  You wouldn't call a DX station in a pileup and start blithering about your rig, antenna, logging software, etc on phone or CW.  Hell, you wouldn't do it on RTTY!  But PSK31, for some reason, it's perfectly acceptable. 

Just don't bother logging these people. If enough DX stations do this, they'll get the message when they get their cards back marked "Not in Log".


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: WN4E on March 07, 2013, 12:20:59 PM
OK just couldn't resist chiming in on this topic.  Granted there are numerous sides to this debate. I also don't like the long canned macros.  BUT, I do use my macros.  I have 3 levels, Contest, Short and Sweet, and polite info. I am still amazed by the number of older( +75) hams on this mode. Granted their typing skills have probably weakened and lots have minimum computer skills.  I guess my take on this ... if the person sending on the other end is not doing what YOU expect, then you have the right to move on and should do so.  Like wise he has the right to send as much info as he wants, if it bothers you then move on.  This is like the American philosophy  " I may not agree with what you are saying , But I agree with your right to say it!!   In radio terms, " I may not want to hear all that stuff your sending, But you do have the right to send it, I have the right to ignore or move on"!!
Sorry for my soapbox rant, just never agreed with any body deciding what is right for me to be doing or not doing.(Kinda like our elected government, making decisions that they think is the way it should be)


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: WA3SEE on March 15, 2013, 06:16:53 AM

I abandoned PSK after my 100th QSO with a "Carbon Life Form".

Macros are fine - but can't anyone personalize them a little bit.

Carl


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: N8FNR on March 16, 2013, 09:04:43 AM
When I start a QSO I send this macro, "OP Zack near Detroit MI DE N8FNR HW?" and then just type any other responses from there. However I REALLY, REALLY don't care about the CPU in your PC or the OS you are running. The rig and antenna I do still find interesting.

One thing that does drive me nuts is when the other op looks up my info in QRZ during a casual QSO and knows my all info. I do not look up his name or anything when I am in a casual QSO. It is more interesting to find out his name, location and other info during the actual QSO. If you know all about me from QRZ what is the actual point of the casual QSO?

Zack
N8FNR


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W6UV on March 17, 2013, 07:38:02 PM
Macros are fine, when used properly. My macros look something like this:

CQ Macro:

CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> PSE K

Response Macro:

<HISCALL> de <MYCALL>


In other words, short and sweet. I DO NOT use monstrosities like this one I typically encounter on PSK31 QSOs:

Quote
TNX for PSK31 QSO on 21-February-2011 at 0214UTC Gardner, Jerry. UR RST 599 599.

Name: Joe Blow
Location: Boring, UT
Rig: Icom IC-7600
Antenna: G5RV
Software: DM780 B2055
Computer: Dell Inspiron 580, Windows 7
Interface: Rigblaster Pro
Operator: 1954 model

BTU Gardner, Jerry at 21-February-2011 at 0215UTC
W6UV de K9xxx PSE KN





Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AC4BB on March 19, 2013, 01:42:09 PM
If you don't like what goes on on PSK just go to another mode.

   Thank You,and exactly, I've said that 100 times or more myself.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AC4BB on March 19, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
 How much is too much macro and why,does it only seem to apply to psk31?  I've never figured that one out?


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: N4CR on March 19, 2013, 04:04:29 PM
What I don't understand is how you complainers can judge the circumstances of the other person through a macro. I'm hearing that you would tune off frequency and commit a QSO murder.

What if the guy on the other end is wheel chair bound. Has no use of his hands and has to blow through a straw to make a conversation. You can tell this by his macro? And your tolerance level is so low that it's too much for you. What has this world come to?

Macro's are part of every text application for amateur radio. It was happening 70 years ago on RTTY.

It's like complaining about the smell of food every time you walk through the kitchen. The smells are in the kitchen. If you can't handle it, stay out of the kitchen.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: N8HM on March 20, 2013, 09:58:43 AM
This is how I want a PSK31 QSO to go:

CQ CQ CQ DE N8HM N8HM N8HM PSE K

EA1AB EA1AB

EA1AB 599 EA1AB

TU 599

EA1AB TU 73 QRZ? DE N8HM K

Sadly, I guess I have to resort to RTTY for that kind of QSO.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AC4BB on March 20, 2013, 01:26:47 PM
This is how I want a PSK31 QSO to go:

CQ CQ CQ DE N8HM N8HM N8HM PSE K

EA1AB EA1AB

EA1AB 599 EA1AB

TU 599

EA1AB TU 73 QRZ? DE N8HM K

Sadly, I guess I have to resort to RTTY for that kind of QSO.
 

 Some folks might actually want to ragchew and might, just want a Name and QTH you figure?


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: N4CR on March 20, 2013, 01:41:23 PM
This is how I want a PSK31 QSO to go:

CQ CQ CQ DE N8HM N8HM N8HM PSE K

EA1AB EA1AB

EA1AB 599 EA1AB

TU 599

EA1AB TU 73 QRZ? DE N8HM K

Sadly, I guess I have to resort to RTTY for that kind of QSO.

I guess it would be OK for a contest exchange but it's a little windy and imprecise.

You wasted four characters there with the PSE. And there's no point in saying your call three times. Most everyone will get it in one. Also, you used the generic 599, please get that right rather than being so lazy.

Also, PSK-31 transmits lower case characters faster than upper case, so if you made all the letters lower case it would transmit faster.

Thanks for being the perfect minimalist.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: W6UV on March 20, 2013, 02:15:01 PM
How much is too much macro and why,does it only seem to apply to psk31?  I've never figured that one out?

It's a matter of common sense. If you end up putting every detail of your computer setup, including version numbers, size of RAM, time of day, exact frequency, etc., in a macro, then that's too much.

Macros are intended to reduce the amount of typing needed for a routine contact, not to tell the the guy on the other end your entire life story (and the life story of your computer as well).

This doesn't just apply to PSK31, it's just that most of the more egregious slingers of macro diarrhea are PSK31 ops.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AC4BB on March 20, 2013, 04:09:43 PM
How much is too much macro and why,does it only seem to apply to psk31?  I've never figured that one out?

It's a matter of common sense. If you end up putting every detail of your computer setup, including version numbers, size of RAM, time of day, exact frequency, etc., in a macro, then that's too much.

Macros are intended to reduce the amount of typing needed for a routine contact, not to tell the the guy on the other end your entire life story (and the life story of your computer as well).

This doesn't just apply to PSK31, it's just that most of the more egregious slingers of macro diarrhea are PSK31 ops.

 If, you ever do see me on PSK31, and I'm there regularly on one band or another.  Then by all means do work me.  If, it will ease your mind I'll work you macro free, BTW: I only have 3 fingers so bear that in mind too. 


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: VE3TMT on March 21, 2013, 11:49:23 AM
When I first started on PSK31 many years ago, I enjoyed the mode because operators actually took the time to have a conversation with you. If I start a QSO and see it is going to be a typical canned macro conversation I simply tune off frequency and start over. Pretty soon the other operator will get the hint, I hope.

I do like to know what radio and antenna you are using, a little bit about your job, your hometown, etc. I don't care how much RAM your computer has, or the upteem member numbers of the clubs you belong to. I don't care if I am your 1 millionth PSK31 QSO. I just want to chat and learn a little about you and your part of the world.

Sounds simple doesn't it.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AC4BB on March 21, 2013, 03:26:17 PM
  Why is only PSK 31 Exclusively that people have a problem with macros?     RTTY and other digital modes were doing it long before psk modes.  I think some folks just have too much time on their hands and have nothing better to do than gripe about something like a macro?
  I could find someting to complain about in  just about everything in life even outside of radio if, I wanted to?  I'll say it again don't like Macro's find another mode that might not use them at all. GL
 Even SSB has DVR's and they're a form of macro.

 I know,for the longest time some complained about SSTV operators and I guess they still do? but, they would get right next to them or even right on top of them and complain about them.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KO3D on April 03, 2013, 09:25:19 AM
I keep an overblown macro handy for those (usually SA dx) who insist on telling me their processor and OS. I reply with a full service pack description right down to the mouse driver.

I also don't understand the 20 minute 73, "Thank you my dear friend from the bottom of my heart, best regards to you and your family from me and the future generations of my family, bidding you the best of DX and 73s. Good luck and hope to see you again..."


When I start a QSO I send this macro, "OP Zack near Detroit MI DE N8FNR HW?" and then just type any other responses from there. However I REALLY, REALLY don't care about the CPU in your PC or the OS you are running. The rig and antenna I do still find interesting.

One thing that does drive me nuts is when the other op looks up my info in QRZ during a casual QSO and knows my all info. I do not look up his name or anything when I am in a casual QSO. It is more interesting to find out his name, location and other info during the actual QSO. If you know all about me from QRZ what is the actual point of the casual QSO?

Zack
N8FNR


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: AK4KZ on April 03, 2013, 12:02:31 PM
Just don't bother logging these people. If enough DX stations do this, they'll get the message when they get their cards back marked "Not in Log".

Nope. No they won't. Not likely. I like to think I'm bright enough to listen to what's going on before I jump into the fray. I like to think I'm wise enough to be considerate. I'd never connect the two if I didn't see it in a 6 page topic. I'd get my QSL card some time after the contact and think, "Huh. Weird". After enough of them, I'd start to get the idea of.. "Huh, Weird and aggravating". But I'd most likely not connect those dots.

I think the best you can do is make people aware of the idea of listening first, approaching a QSO like you'd approach a conversation with a stranger and letting people know that macros, while useful, can be EXTREMELY boring and rude if misused.

Interestingly, the same thing happens on voice. I remember sitting in a pile up recently during an event and having some elderly gentleman make his contact and then start asking the station about their radio.. and how do they like it.. and how long have they had it.. and his favorite radio from back in the day.. and what kind of antenna he's using.. and on and on. Meh.. people are people. The upside is that I'd like to think this guy wasn't being rude on purpose. He was just.. obliviously unaware?? Probably wasn't even thinking about the line, much less holding it up. And I'm guessing he wouldn't get his QSL card and think, "Huh.. I must be sending too much junk in my macros that no one cares about at times when it's not conversationally appropriate".

Maybe the software developers could help. The first screen that pops up when you go to edit your macros should say.. "WARNING: Macros are useful but can be over used. This overuse can be boring and rude if not paired with conversational awareness. Please be kind to your fellow hams and use with care."

And the next screen pops up and says, "No.. really! we mean YOU!"

Ultimately, like in everything else, the problem is people  ;)

73,
Chris
AK4KZ


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: WN2C on April 03, 2013, 06:09:50 PM
This is how I want a PSK31 QSO to go:

CQ CQ CQ DE N8HM N8HM N8HM PSE K

EA1AB EA1AB

EA1AB 599 EA1AB

TU 599

EA1AB TU 73 QRZ? DE N8HM K

Sadly, I guess I have to resort to RTTY for that kind of QSO.


That is not a QSO... This is a contact!

A QSO is an excahnge of information such as name, QTH, rig, antenna or even the weather and throw in some common
interests.  It does not have to be a half hour conversation but the 599 TU is not a QSO.


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KO3D on May 18, 2013, 09:12:52 AM
If you want to share alot of useless macro info, at least use PSK125!


Title: RE: Too much info on PSK31??
Post by: KE7TMA on May 23, 2013, 07:04:37 PM
I think the problem here is that contesters think that there is always a contest, and that everybody else is a contester.

One of the primary functions of amateur radio is to meet people, chat, and spread good will.  I don't really see this happening when all people do is shoot a couple of bytes of information at the other person and then expect them to move on.

This contester mentality is detrimental to the hobby.  Fine, if you are in a contest and working another contester, do your thing.  But don't expect the rest of us to conform to your silly ways, we have no use for them.