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Author Topic: Worried about Windows Ten Snooping?  (Read 47728 times)
K7EXJ
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« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2016, 05:44:59 PM »

I'm going to start a thread for this but for anyone who is following this and wants to rid themselves of the "windows 10 upgrade begathon popups" you can go to this site for instructions:

http://www.howtogeek.com/218856/how-do-you-disable-the-get-windows-10-icon-shown-in-the-notification-tray/

And to this site for the free utility that will do it:

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

I have not yet tried them but the scenario looks reasonable. I'll be doing several computers tommorrow.
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Craig Smiley
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« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2016, 07:31:26 PM »

so i thought i had my PC to make it so updates are not automatic, but my PC was freezing so i decided to do a reboot and boom -- updates. wtf???

anywhew, i ran into the following article (written today) entitled: "Windows 10 will keep spying on you no matter how hard you try to stop it"  

http://bgr.com/2016/02/10/windows-10-spying-investigation/
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« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2016, 04:51:02 AM »

For those who think that crippling Windows 10's phone home tendancies is easy, have a read

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/09/windows-10-data-tracking-spying-levels/#40e5fef7aa99
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« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2016, 05:03:37 AM »

However there may be hope

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/11/microsoft-makes-windows-10-u-turn/#109ccc7f3974
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« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2016, 07:33:47 AM »


Really, the only hope left for MS is to come out with Windows 11 with an actuallly new OS (instead of just a rehash of the NT kernel with more crap laid over the top of it), warn its developers that change is coming and the old days of simply changing which kernel version you need to put into your code to have it run on the next iteration of Windows (and thereby make your customers pay you for an "upgrade") ....

and get a clue!

Even corporations won't put up with this forever.

As a long-time (but very minority) stockholder I'm tired of watching my investment go down the tubes because MS' management cannot get it right.

We all have known - or should have known - for at least a decade that Windows is insecure. Why else would you have to buy antvirus, anispyware and anti-exploit. Why else would user have abandoned their vaunted Internet Explorer and moved to other browsers?

What other operating system has spurred the creation of a billion-dollar industry devoted to trying to make Windows secure? (An industry, by the way, that will only block exploits they already know about, spurring the creation of yet-another major computer industry: The Zero-Day Exploit.)

It will be painful to do this. But if they don't they can expect massive migrations to Linux.



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Craig Smiley
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« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2016, 04:03:54 PM »

That Forbes article is an eye-opener because a prominent business community source got Microsoft to not only reply, but to say that will allow users to stop the telemetry. When Microsoft was releasing Windows 10, they stated very plainly that 10 would be the last version of Windows. Now there are these big releases like the one in November, and the constant telemetry back to Redmond. Are they using data from the users' machines in lieu of software QA and testing? They used to use beta testing by volunteers of new product releases; are they now constantly beta testing on an installed base that is approaching 1 billion machines? Will Nadella end up eating his words and release "Windows 11" to appease the business community?

Ted, KX4OM
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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2016, 04:23:57 PM »

Will Nadella end up eating his words and release "Windows 11" to appease the business community?

MS could "appease" the business community by simply continuing to support updates and upgrades to Windows 7 ad infinitum.

But Nadella has to do more than that. Simply continuing to support Windows 7 will not bring new money into the MS vaults; it will actually COST money. The best MS could hope for in that scenario is that it would forestall complete abandonment of the MS paradigm.

No... Nadella has to come up with something that the business community will actually buy! And so far every pitch has been a strike.

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« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2016, 04:00:30 AM »

Just seen this

http://betanews.com/2016/02/22/control-windows-10-updates/
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« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2016, 04:39:19 AM »


That is just a pitch for a product. They reel you in with false claims hoping you will buy something from their advertisements. Or worse, it could be packed with malware or a virus. The internet is now full of these products that claim to fix Windows 10 issues that really don't exist. I would be wary of all of them.

On one of my PCs (the one the XYL uses), I do allow automatic update. I have never observed any issues with the updates. They happen silently during the night.

On my other two PCs (both laptops) I decide when I want an update to happen. I don't want the updates bothering me while I am working, so I schedule them for 2:00 AM. But at 2:00 AM, my laptops are always in Hibernate mode and will not respond. I do a check, from time to time, for updates and fit them in when it is convenient.

All three systems are running Windows 10.
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« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2016, 06:32:23 AM »

Someday - 200,000 Windows computers will fail to boot from a bad update. The only way to fix them will be to go on line. Hmmmmmm - that should be interesting. However, in the interim, I generally allow updates and have yet to suffer for it.

In case you are wondering, and I am sure you are not - Linux does a lot of updating (varies from disto to distro).

I run both Windows (out of convenience) and Linux Mint out of reduced resource waste and basic security. I prefer the latter when possible.

So far as Windows calling home - you should see what Google does with searches! Just not important to me.
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« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2016, 08:56:57 AM »

Someday - 200,000 Windows computers will fail to boot from a bad update. The only way to fix them will be to go on line. Hmmmmmm - .....

Yea, more hysteria about something that hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen.
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« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2016, 12:29:20 PM »

Someday - 200,000 Windows computers will fail to boot from a bad update. The only way to fix them will be to go on line. Hmmmmmm - .....

Yea, more hysteria about something that hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen.


Yea.... like Dell has never seen this sort of issue so doesn't need to publish anything to help users resolve it.
http://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/SLN171014/en?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04

Google "no boot after Windows update" and you may see a lot of advice for something that "hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen."
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« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2016, 01:30:05 PM »

Someday - 200,000 Windows computers will fail to boot from a bad update. The only way to fix them will be to go on line. Hmmmmmm - .....

Yea, more hysteria about something that hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen.


Yea.... like Dell has never seen this sort of issue so doesn't need to publish anything to help users resolve it.
http://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/SLN171014/en?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04

Google "no boot after Windows update" and you may see a lot of advice for something that "hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen."


Yep, and most of that was caused by users not paying attention to the update installation and interrupted the process. Some of them just waited 30 minutes and everything worked fine. I admit that some of those update installations can take a long time. My new Windows 10 laptop took 12 hours to update (32 updates), after the initial configuration. But overall, yes, more mass hysteria.
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« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2016, 02:08:23 PM »

Yep, and most of that was caused by users not paying attention to the update installation and interrupted the process. Some of them just waited 30 minutes and everything worked fine. I admit that some of those update installations can take a long time. My new Windows 10 laptop took 12 hours to update (32 updates), after the initial configuration. But overall, yes, more mass hysteria.

I would love to see the evidence corroborating your opinion that "most of that" was user error.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/many-windows-updates-fail-to-install/51d3e3eb-b113-47d9-806e-d560466a83f2?auth=1

MS updates are notorious for either failing to install or causing issues upon installation. Your anecdotal comments fly in the face of reality.
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Craig Smiley
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« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2016, 06:52:36 AM »

Yep, and most of that was caused by users not paying attention to the update installation and interrupted the process. Some of them just waited 30 minutes and everything worked fine. I admit that some of those update installations can take a long time. My new Windows 10 laptop took 12 hours to update (32 updates), after the initial configuration. But overall, yes, more mass hysteria.

I would love to see the evidence corroborating your opinion that "most of that" was user error.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/many-windows-updates-fail-to-install/51d3e3eb-b113-47d9-806e-d560466a83f2?auth=1

MS updates are notorious for either failing to install or causing issues upon installation. Your anecdotal comments fly in the face of reality.


am fighting to keep windows 7.  Its crazy.  half the updates are attempts to make it easier to put WIN10 on it, or other stealth ways to get a channel to put WIN10 on.  Is everyone reading the install discussion data, before you check okay?  Am now forced to read every one.
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