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KL5L
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« on: February 18, 2018, 07:08:33 PM »

I have a koch trainer from G4FON but it does something that I cannot get around.

it plays the cw tones, then types the letter. I get that this is how it works in real life. you hear the tones, then form the letter in your mind.

However...

what is really happening is while it is showing a letter it is playing the next set of tones. so I see a 'M' while hearing the tones for a 'K'. This is like showing a picture of a cat while saying dog. it's F*ing with my head.

Is there a trainer that will show a letter while showing the tones associated with that letter?
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KL5L
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2018, 09:03:18 PM »

last sentence should have read:

Is there a trainer that will show a letter while playing the tones associated with that letter?
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K3GBB
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2018, 02:56:02 AM »

Have you tried http://aa9pw.com/morsecode/

73 de George K3GBB
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PA0WV
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2018, 04:54:08 AM »



Is there a trainer that will show a letter while showing the tones associated with that letter?

That may be the reason that it is according to my opinion a very bad idea to learn Morse code with a decoder, because the last showed character is not the character you are receiving.

Of course you may use ARRL http://www.arrl.org/5-wpm-code-archive available at speeds up to 40 wpm.
You can print out or show the txt files on your screen, and so follow the sound with the text.

I remember long time ago verifying code sound tapes with the text as a much higher speed then I could copy in those days at the Veron club station before actual transmission, and what I learned was that I could actually increase my copy speed by just checking received QRQ code abt 40 wpm  with the print out.

It turns out that by those checking jobs, my speed on plain text copy of unknown received text was increased, somewhat from 25 to 30 wpm without exercising. I remember the figures but are not sure after so many years.

For learning headcopy it may be of importance to read a text character by character without showing neighboring characters.

For that reason many years ago I published the Speller. It shows one character of a text and you can choose with a jumper whether you want to hear the sound of that character during display OR hear the next character during the display.
Look at https://pa0wv.home.xs4all.nl/pdfbestanden/speller.pdf
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KD8IIC
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2018, 06:52:15 AM »

   The delay is there so you can check your answer.
   You will get used to how it works only by using it.
   Once you have the code down you will likely not even look at it much.
   I let mine play QSO Text File es set the timer for 60 minutes while I take a nap on my couch.
   Very good feature is u can play just the characters that you are troubled with and drill to you
   have them cinched. The program is very flexible and you learn at your own rate.
   There is no program that will do the heavy lifting and exercise for us. It's up to us to apply it.
   Learning Morse and mastering it at greater speeds is an ongoing project.
   
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OZ8AGB
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2018, 08:55:22 AM »

You could try the Morse Machine by G4ILO. It starts with 4 letters I think and repeat each until you press the right key. The better you get the more letters/numbers/punctuation is added.
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AE5GT
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2018, 03:13:47 PM »

W5YI code trainer , or you might try aldo.
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KD8IIC
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2018, 04:14:01 AM »

JUST DO IT!
Many many tutoring options leave nothing to be done but APPLLY.   Wink
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KG9E
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 03:43:44 PM »

I have a CW Morse code trainer Android app that does what you ask. It is available on Google Play and the Amazon Appstore:
http://www.kg9e.net/apps/AmateurHamRadioMorseCodeTrainer/
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KG7WGX
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2018, 11:22:40 PM »

If I understand your question correctly, lcwo.net (online Morse training) provides what you want as part of their course. 

If you click on any character in your "list"  (that is, the list of letters you have learned, shown near the top of the screen), lcwo.net will play the sound of that character repeatedly.  This isn't part of the lesson, just a way to hear what a letter sounds like if you can't remember.  The "new letter" you are adding is shown at the end of the list and that is what you hear if you press the play button.

What you can't do is listen to any arbitrary character.  (Well, you can "cheat" and set it up for 40 characters, then just click on one to hear what it sounds like, but this isn't a structured way to learn.)

Also, lcwo.net doesn't possibly confuse you by showing the transmitted text as it is sent.  Instead, you type in the text as you hear it (or copy it later from a written pad if you can't type that fast) and then press "Submit".  Lcwo.net then shows you the sent text, what you entered and highlights the errors.

I use G4FON by sizing a Notepad window to cover the displayed text area.  I set up a delay, then drag the Notepad window into place while G4FON is counting down.  After typing what I hear, I drag the Notepad window down to expose the G4FON displayed text area and note my errors. This is easiest if you have both G4FON and Notepad set to use the same font, but different fonts are OK.

Before I figured out this trick, I just wrote it down on a pad and didn't look at the computer screen until the lesson was over.


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