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Author Topic: An Open Letter...  (Read 13921 times)
AD8DT
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« on: March 12, 2018, 09:55:37 AM »

... to the two or three (unidentified) station operators who QRMed and then totally disrupted the North American Traffic and Awards Net on 3.835 MHz at approximately 0010 UTC on March 11, 2018:

Congratulations on providing the worst possible example of Amateur Radio operating procedures, and leaving a lasting negative impression on the 30 or so station operators participating in the net, some of whom were new and inexperienced operators.

A refresher on FCC regulations and accepted Amateur Radio operating practice seems to be in order, even though you were obviously experienced operators.

1) Standard procedure, before starting a QSO, is to first listen on the frequency you wish to use. Provided you hear nothing, the next step is to ask, on air, if the frequency is in use. If you hear a reply, the proper procedure is to QSY to another frequency and begin the process again. "A net? Not gonna happen here" is NOT an acceptable response to "The frequency is in use.", followed by a station ID. Continuation of your QSO on the same frequency is a violation of FCC Part 97 regulations and acceptable Amateur Radio Practice.

2) As you well know, no station or group "owns" any particular frequency at any given time. Frequencies are used on a first-come, first-served basis, except in the unique circumstances of a bona fide emergency. Your regular rag-chew does not qualify.

3) Had you identified your station(s), you would have been reported to the FCC for the violations. You did not, and therefore avoided any disciplinary action, including possible license revocation, which you so richly deserve.

Be aware that this frequency will be monitored daily at and around the time of the violation and any further violation reported to the FCC.

David Thorpe, W8WMM
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N8YX
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2018, 10:19:25 AM »

Oh...this ought to be good...
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K1FBI
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2018, 11:18:08 AM »

No need to ask if the frequency is in use if you haven't heard any activity in the past 5 minutes. Since no one owns the frequency you can't "hold" it in radio silence.

The standing by for pre-pre-Net check-in nonsense doesn't cut it either.
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ND6M
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2018, 11:20:36 AM »

He posted this exact same thing on that "other" forum... and ..............GASP... is getting nice comments. Roll Eyes
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K4JJL
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2018, 11:22:11 AM »

I'd imagine this is the addressee's reaction...

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N8YX
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2018, 04:40:34 PM »

He posted this exact same thing on that "other" forum... and ..............GASP... is getting nice comments. Roll Eyes
Shades of the old Marconi Net, perhaps?
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W8JX
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2018, 04:54:27 PM »

No need to ask if the frequency is in use if you haven't heard any activity in the past 5 minutes. Since no one owns the frequency you can't "hold" it in radio silence.

Not best advise since some are long winded and a ID is required every ten minutes so frequency can be in use and you cannot hear other half in just 5 minutes. So always best to check.
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K9MHZ
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2018, 05:12:14 PM »

Be aware that this frequency will be monitored daily at and around the time of the violation and any further violation reported to the FCC.

Do you honestly believe that this will do anything other than amuse those guys?  The FCC enforcing anything...today?
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KM1H
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2018, 05:45:05 PM »

YAWN

Why blabber and bluster on here? 75 hasnt changed since it was created. Im sure there are forums for rants especially that "other place" which is more into that stuff.
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K1FBI
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2018, 06:26:02 PM »


Not best advise since some are long winded and a ID is required every ten minutes so frequency can be in use and you cannot hear other half in just 5 minutes. So always best to check.


Here is some better advice:

Don't talk 10 minutes straight before ID'ing and allowing the other stations to get a word in, or worse yet talk for 10 more minutes.

Doing so becomes a broadcast and that's prohibited. Also your amp tubes are probably melting by now.

In such a scenario you would have some really good friends if anyone was still listening to your blabbering after 10 minutes.

Now that's some Extra REAL advise.⚠️
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W8JX
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2018, 09:09:48 PM »


Here is some better advice:

Don't talk 10 minutes straight before ID'ing and allowing the other stations to get a word in,

Real depends on nature of chat, A two way can go 5 minutes or more while a round table is typically less

Now that's some Extra REAL advise.⚠️

Not really, best advise is to QRZ when in doubt.
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AA4HA
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2018, 06:02:56 AM »

Is it meant that the net could not QSY to a different frequency when there was a pre-existing QSO?

How does that work?  "Hey you guys, get off of our frequency, we are about to start an 'impotent net on this freq!"?
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Ms. Tisha Hayes, AA4HA
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2018, 06:16:15 AM »

Is it meant that the net could not QSY to a different frequency when there was a pre-existing QSO?

How does that work?  "Hey you guys, get off of our frequency, we are about to start an 'impotent net on this freq!"?

Well it is kinda a unwritten rule when a scheduled net needs frequency, you QSY.   
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K1FBI
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2018, 06:44:13 AM »

Is it meant that the net could not QSY to a different frequency when there was a pre-existing QSO?

How does that work?  "Hey you guys, get off of our frequency, we are about to start an 'impotent net on this freq!"?

Apparently they only borrow a time slot. As the last sentence of their preamble hands the frequency off to the next net, which must own that frequency. Ironic that they return it to "REGULAR AMATEUR USE" which they consider OMISS.  Roll Eyes

"WE NOW RETURN THIS FREQUENCY TO REGULAR AMATEUR USE, THE OMISS NET CONTROLLER."

http://www.natanet.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9&Itemid=320

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AA4HA
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2018, 07:22:42 AM »

Nobody owns anything. It is first-come, first-serve, unless it is emergency traffic and that takes prescience and can break in on any frequency.

It is unreasonable to expect every ham to keep track of what nets are going to pop up on what frequency. If a frequency is already in use then you QSY.

Most nets should have some established procedures that if the frequency is already in use than you should do something like QSY +2 KHz and if that too is in use then QSY -2 KHz from the original frequency.

Amateur radio is founded around the idea of QSO's with anyone who happens to spin the dial and light on a frequency while you are calling CQ. The practice has ended up becoming a bunch of bitchy people who feel that it is "their" frequency and they set a watch on that spot and snarl at anyone who starts calling on that spot; no matter how far in advance of their private net-time.

I have been sniped at several times to "move off" 10-20 minutes before a net was planning on starting. Sometimes I just lay-low and listen (after all, it must be 'impotent net-stuff) only to hear it start out all formal sounding with the net-announcement and then to turn in to a hour long gab-fest for the proctology, erectile dysfunction and boils net.
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Ms. Tisha Hayes, AA4HA
Lookout Mountain, Alabama
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